Author Topic: Rumored Nrev specs (Read 37073 times)

oohhboy · « **Reply #100 on:** June 09, 2005, 02:18:47 AM »

Go and run WC3 on it. Sure nice and pretty with no units running about. Go fight something and see where your frames went.

K-RPG · « **Reply #101 on:** June 09, 2005, 06:57:28 PM »

I found more rumored speculations, these ones seem more down to earth -- and were originally posted on a blog.

2 PowerPC G5 CPU's @ 1.8GHz (Not Cores)
512k L2 Cache
1200 MHz FSB
600MHz GPU with 12MB's of Embedded 1T-SRAM

128MB 1T-SRAM Main Memory, 600 MHz (L3 Cache to CPU & GPU)
256MB 400MHz NEC designed embedded DRAM
16-Bit HD7.1 Digital Sound Chip
Dedicated Sound Bandwidth with no effect on CPU

6GB HD Dual Layered, Custom Panasonic Optical Discs

Uses Copper Wire for more less heat

A 3:1 balance between the CPU and RAM
A 1:1 balance between the GPU and RAM

What do you more educated techy's think of these speculations?!

thepoga · « **Reply #102 on:** June 09, 2005, 07:56:42 PM »

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Originally posted by: jasonditz
Actually Heretic 2

Heretic 2 screens

Ummm... this game was made in 1998. Running a 7 year old game "100 fps" in 1024x768 is nothing to brag about.

nemo_83 · « **Reply #103 on:** June 09, 2005, 09:24:59 PM »

check out this

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new leak apparently. sound sweet.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #104 on:** June 09, 2005, 09:49:08 PM »

6GB HD Dual Layered, Custom Panasonic Optical Discs

Bull. Rev discs are 12cm, they confirmed that. A DVD at 12cm can hold 9 GB, a HD disc 30 (HDDVD) or 50 (BRD).

Nemo: Can't get any more ridiculous. Didn't we talk lengthily about why G5s are bad console processors? And what the hell would an AI chip be and why would it need three of them? Hell, the chips alone wouldn't fit into the Rev's case, add cooling and you'd have something the size of a bigtower and the price of an entry-level Cray!

nemo_83 · « **Reply #105 on:** June 09, 2005, 09:53:39 PM »

I didn't notice that part, why would they use six gig? Dual layered though would mean it could hold twice as much though compared to a standard dvd.

MrMojoRising · « **Reply #106 on:** June 10, 2005, 12:17:10 AM »

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By the way to end all of the CONSTANT flames and bs on your forum about the “Nintendo On”. IT IS NOT FAKE, it’s the new Virtual Boy and it WILL work hand-in-hand with the Rev. although it will not be required to play games. It will just add a whole new dynamic to the games coupled with the controller. The guys who made it finished it in a month and a half on a Area 51 CPU. I thought it was funny people thought that it was made in a week by one person, what a joke if one did all that it would’ve probably taken 6 months or so.

Wow, wowitty wow wow...this just proves this guy is for real.

stevey · « **Reply #107 on:** June 10, 2005, 04:58:15 AM »

I don't understand these specs so can some one dumb down these spec and just tell me if the rev by this rumor is more power than xbox 1.5 or ps3? Keeping in mind that 25% of there specs is hot air and hype.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #108 on:** June 10, 2005, 05:22:50 AM »

stevey: I'll boil it down for you, removing all the lies: We know exactly NOTHING. Nada. Niente. All specs so far are lies (and vary greatly, from Cray-level supercomputer to Mac G4) and the statement by Kaplan was apparently a misunderstanding.

Nemo: The 6GB were from K-RPG's specs. Dual layer DVDs are DVD-9s.

mantidor · « **Reply #109 on:** June 10, 2005, 07:47:38 AM »

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Originally posted by: MrMojoRising
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By the way to end all of the CONSTANT flames and bs on your forum about the “Nintendo On”. IT IS NOT FAKE, it’s the new Virtual Boy and it WILL work hand-in-hand with the Rev. although it will not be required to play games. It will just add a whole new dynamic to the games coupled with the controller. The guys who made it finished it in a month and a half on a Area 51 CPU. I thought it was funny people thought that it was made in a week by one person, what a joke if one did all that it would’ve probably taken 6 months or so.

Wow, wowitty wow wow...this just proves this guy is for real.

LOL if I hadnt seen all the other stuff the guy who made the Nintendo ON fake, Id probably believe that.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #110 on:** June 10, 2005, 08:06:10 AM »

"I was employed by Retro Studios 4 years ago where I worked on both Metroid Prime games. I was recently fired because I popped positive on a drug screening for marijuana which in the gaming industry is redundant anyway. I will join the Factor 5 team soon"

Yeah I'm sure Nintendo wouldn't be able to figure out who this guy is unless several people who worked on Metroid Prime got fired for drugs and are now working with Factor 5.

"My only worry with cube-mapping is since Nintendo patented it if they will make it available to other developers that are interested in Rev. rather than just using it on first-party development. There are a lot of other techniques and that are patented by Nintendo that allow unbelievable graphics on low horsepower and low electrical consumption but the question still stands are Nintendo going to make these available to other 3rd party developers."

All this might be complete bullocks but, regardless of what the Rev, this concern is legit. Nintendo is pretty infamous for "hiding" stuff from third parties so that their own games look better. That sort of thing really doesn't help Nintendo's already poor relationship with third parties so I hope they're not going to do anything like that.

This guy's suggesting that Nintendo's going to embrace the mod community with the Rev. That's actually a pretty cool idea. His "virtual boy" thing sounds kind of like the Sega Master System 3D glasses. The idea though that no games require it and it just works with every game is a good idea. A lot of us were complaining about the "3D screen" idea but if 3D is just handled by an optional piece of hardware and no game requires it and games don't actually have to be programmed for then I think it's fine. It's a neat idea.

The third party support though sounds way too good to be true. Bungie talking to Nintendo? Yeah right.

Artimus · « **Reply #111 on:** June 10, 2005, 08:33:18 AM »

Microsoft owns Bungie, so that'd would be like Retro speaking to MS.

K-RPG · « **Reply #112 on:** June 10, 2005, 10:07:36 AM »

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"6GB HD Dual Layered, Custom Panasonic Optical Discs"

Bull. Rev discs are 12cm, they confirmed that. A DVD at 12cm can hold 9 GB, a HD disc 30 (HDDVD) or 50 (BRD).

Consider me ignorant if I am, but never did Nintendo say DVD, as the media they were going to use. It wouldn't be the first time they took an existing product, and dumbed it down for a legitimate reason (GameCube Optical Discs for example).

Truthliesn1seyes · « **Reply #113 on:** June 10, 2005, 10:14:34 AM »

Yeah, the fact that, I think, Perrin used the term DVD but then Nintendo went out and made a correction to her statements later that day in changing her term to "12cm discs" shows that it could be anything. 12cm is the size of a DVD, BRD, and HD-DVDs. I doubt they'll be using regular dvds becuase of they were, why would they bother selling a add on to play dvds? If their games run off dvds, then it'll just be smart for them to make it a standard to watch movies.

I'm with K-rpg, I believe they'll go with their own custom variation of either HD-DVDs or Blue-ray, I'm leanin towards hd-dvd though as it doesn't benefit Sony in anyway. The fact that they'll then be selling an add on (I guess) in the future to allow you to view dvds could mean that they can provide a dvd player now for purchase and a hd-dvd player or a blue ray player in the future depending on how the disc battle goes.

ABlueflameA · « **Reply #114 on:** June 10, 2005, 11:14:40 AM »

If I remember correctly, Xbox didn't come playing DVD movies as a standard because of licensing issues despite the console being able to play games written on DVDs for free. I believe its like 20 bucks or something in order for a product to be able to play DVD movies because of licensing or royalties or something like that. Therefore, if Nintendo was trying to keep costs down, which they ALWAYS are, DVD-playback may not be a Revolution standard. They (Nintendo?) had mentioned that an add on for dvd movies would be possible, and the above reasons are why.

Personally, I'm expecting a Revolution with no DVD movie playback built in, but something similar to Xbox where you could spend 20-30 bucks to get a remote and some very small add-on device to enable it to play movies. However, even including a remote for DVD playback may be optional as you could possibly use your DS.

Touch screen remote anyone?

-Blueflame

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #115 on:** June 10, 2005, 11:40:24 AM »

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Originally posted by: ABlueflameA
However, even including a remote for DVD playback may be optional as you could possibly use your DS.

Touch screen remote anyone?

-Blueflame

Now that is somethign that I haven't thought of yet. Imagine being able to not only use the DS as a touch screen remote, but also commanding the sub-menu's for the DVD player, such as sub-titles or surround sound on the second screen without it popping up on the main screen, disctracting other viewers from the movie experience.

Im sure someone else could flesh that out a little more...

Stimutacs Addict · « **Reply #116 on:** June 10, 2005, 12:02:28 PM »

shoot, with the DS controlling my home gaming setup, I can finally feel like all those cool black guys on MTV cribs

ThePerm · « **Reply #117 on:** June 10, 2005, 12:12:21 PM »

lol i wish i was one of those rappers/actors/sports stars...just so i can have all that cool stuff

twiggy ramirez had the best setup though....he had eveyr game system...

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #118 on:** June 10, 2005, 12:12:40 PM »

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Originally posted by: Stimutacs Addict
shoot, with the DS controlling my home gaming setup, I can finally feel like all those cool black guys on MTV cribs

I've kicked in several 'MTV Cribs' worthy homes before, (I was the only Black person there) and trust me that is not only the way feel, but the way to Live.

jasonditz · « **Reply #119 on:** June 10, 2005, 01:44:30 PM »

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Originally posted by: thepoga
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Originally posted by: jasonditz
Actually Heretic 2

Heretic 2 screens

Ummm... this game was made in 1998. Running a 7 year old game "100 fps" in 1024x768 is nothing to brag about.

Well, it is on an 8 year old computer.

The point was this though:

On a Powerbook G3 (same processor, non-upgradable video card) its unplayable at 1024x768
On a Powermac G4 1 Ghz with its original video card its good for maybe 30-40 fps

Yet on the Powermac G3 400 Mhz with a high end video card, the game can give you a much better performance.

I know a Powermac G3 with the best video card in the world isn't a god-like game machine (and the simple fact that most games are compiled with Altivec in mind keeps newer titles from running on them).

The point is, at any given time, the CPU is nowhere near the bottleneck on a system as far as games are concerned. And if the question is which can produce more convincing graphics, I'll take more RAM and a better video card over a faster CPU any day.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #120 on:** June 11, 2005, 12:14:42 AM »

My only worry with cube-mapping is since Nintendo patented it

Ahahahahaa! Yes, that explains why almost every game and video card nowadays supports cube mapping (aka cube environment mapping).

K-RPG: A DVD is the smallest dual layer medium reasonably available. Since they are copying the physical size of a DVD I don't think they'll go with anything that provides less space than a DVD. The GC discs were physically smaller, the Rev discs aren't. Going with a HD disc format (BRD/HDDVD) or a derivative would offer them even more space and make the discs much harder to copy.

oohhboy · « **Reply #121 on:** June 11, 2005, 08:51:12 AM »

Dude, you need the CPU for AI, physics, pathfinding and God knows what esle the GPU doesn't handle. How intelligent do you think the enemies are in Heretic? Beyond the basic see and charge while shooting stroomtrooper AI, it has nothing else. How many guys do you fight at the same time, Probaly no more than 6 at anyone time.

A I said before, go install and play some WC3. Hell Starcraft in a massive battle. See you play that without slow down on that computer.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #122 on:** June 11, 2005, 09:18:40 AM »

Pfft, Perimeter or Generals can kill any PC with their pathfinding alone.

jasonditz · « **Reply #123 on:** June 11, 2005, 10:26:12 AM »

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Originally posted by: oohhboy
Dude, you need the CPU for AI, physics, pathfinding and God knows what esle the GPU doesn't handle. How intelligent do you think the enemies are in Heretic? Beyond the basic see and charge while shooting stroomtrooper AI, it has nothing else. How many guys do you fight at the same time, Probaly no more than 6 at anyone time.

A I said before, go install and play some WC3. Hell Starcraft in a massive battle. See you play that without slow down on that computer.

Starcraft runs flawlessly on it. That's more a factor of RAM than CPU though.

And if you want to talk AI, just look at the AI Capcom was able to stick in RE4 with virtually the same CPU.

And I'm not saying the CPU doesn't matter at all... I'm just saying the original statement that the CPU is the bottleneck for games nowadays is ridiculous.

Given the following two options for a nextgen system:

1. CPU identical to the Cube with 3x the RAM and a vastly superior GPU

or

2. Same GPU and RAM as the Cube with a vastly superior CPU

which did you think would gave you a better experience?

KDR_11k · « **Reply #124 on:** June 12, 2005, 02:08:54 AM »

just look at the AI Capcom was able to stick in RE4 with virtually the same CPU

AI? I thought they used the Serious Sam logic for enemies? (okay, perhaps Doom 3, they're better at pathfinding)

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