Topic: Mafia XL: Dead Thread. Refugees and War Memorials.

[ShyGuy]

It's all good, I think this was a  beta for warbucks. I'd like to see the concept comeback in a future game.

[BeautifulShy]

It's all good, I think this was a  beta for warbucks. I'd like to see the concept comeback in a future game.

I have been thinking about how to impliment this system into one of my games. Maybe my second game. I want to get my feet wet with my first game. Standard things and such.

[Khushrenada]

It's all good, I think this was a  beta for warbucks. I'd like to see the concept comeback in a future game.

Yeah, I'll admit that. It was part of an idea I had in a future mafia game. With this being a small game and my unexpected hosting of it, I figured this would be a good time to test a couple of new concepts which in this game were Warbucks and the Atomic Search. I don't want to say too much since the game isn't over yet. But I will say this. These ideas go back to an idea you challenged me with. Your triple AAA mafia game. Having had the experience with this game, I think I'm ready to meet that challenge now and I believe I can deliver. So, there's a little mafia preview for you for the year 2010.

[that Baby guy]

I will say that any criticism the mafia wants to level at me this game, I'll take for the most part. For example, I sent a message to the mafia on their Warbuck total for Day 1 but it was just sent to myself. I was trying to send a reply to all message but it failed. I didn't realize until the start of Day 2 when I sent their new total of Warbucks. That may have contributed to the mafia's failure to utilize their Warbucks on Day 1 and keep momentum going. For that, I have been kicking myself all game.

That's fair to say, but they could have asked how much they had at any time, and the rules did state how the formula worked, so they could have determined how much they had via that method, as well.  I think I demonstrated how that worked, after all.

Not to mention, today, the vote bunker was available the whole time.  Now, I don't know if ShyGuy is mafia or the profiteer or anything for certain, but if he was, I'm certain he had enough money to buy it, and could have.  He'd live through the day, and be able to make a hit tonight, if this were the case.  There was no need for playing 20 hours, it stayed the entire time.

The real fact is, the mafia lost this game regardless of warbucks:  Pale was a lucky guess, verified by Stogi's reaction.  Stogi gave up Pale via his reaction to the vote, as well as a mysterious "chat" with him, when no one else could get in contact.  Today, when we had no suspicion otherwise, ShyGuy started saying lies to people in PMs about who thought who was what.

Yes, the warbucks sped up the process, but no one used anything to identify the mafia.  In fact, the day 1 warbucks neutralized each other, when 2/3 of the mafia were figured out.  Had there been no warbucks, Stogi would have been voted out today, and we'd have ShyGuy left to find, but it's still just been an machine that's accelerated gameplay, not broken it.

In fact, even though a mafia member was killed by warbucks today, a townie was, too.  It's not like they broke things for the townies, in any way more than normal abilities tend to do.  I don't think blaming this on warbucks is really a solid platform.

[Stogi]

I blame Pale mostly.

[that Baby guy]

Which is exactly why I always want to kill him!  Everything that goes wrong is always his fault!

[Pale]

It's not my fault I like to go to sleep because I get up for work at 5:30am.

Also, the thing to blame is dumb ass playing / blind luck.  Certain players that base day 1 votes on previous games/jokes/stupidity sometimes get lucky I guess.

I can tell you all that this is the last mafia game I'm going to be playing for a while.  It's gotten to the point that it isn't worth the frustration involved with _trying_ to enjoy it.

[RABicle]

Well I've just discovered what I consider to be a huge problem with the game, but I've decided to exploit this trick and enjoy my winnings.

[that Baby guy]

It's not my fault I like to go to sleep because I get up for work at 5:30am.

Also, the thing to blame is dumb ass playing / blind luck.  Certain players that base day 1 votes on previous games/jokes/stupidity sometimes get lucky I guess.

I can tell you all that this is the last mafia game I'm going to be playing for a while.  It's gotten to the point that it isn't worth the frustration involved with _trying_ to enjoy it.

Pale, had you done something, anything at all, really, I would have just moved on.  Even a reaction of nothing can mean someone was innocent.  I was about to start talking about real second options, but then Stogi came in and started saying things that didn't add up.  You wouldn't have been killed if that hadn't happened, simple enough.

[vudu]

Saw that coming a mile away.

[that Baby guy]

I think the profiteer's nightly hit probably should have cost cash, in order to avoid this scenario.  I'm not sure hiding for two days then becoming unstoppable really works out very well, since it only takes two days to do.

[BeautifulShy]

Damn you Rabicle.

SPECULATION SPECULATION SPECULATION

[RABicle]

Nah. Missile strikes should cost double what they do. Since you can pay $500 for a missile, kill a townie and then earn $600 for it + whatever cash they have + an extra $100 if you're the war profiteer. You make money from killing. Unfortunately this game suffers from hyperinflation, Germany between the wars style.

[that Baby guy]

Except that the entry point is too high for normal townies to use unless they get just the right votes on day one.  I got 2/5ths of the earnings from Pale's death and only had $552 afterwards, giving me enough to buy one, while the mafia and profiteer all had enough to buy them all from their nightly hits.

I suppose an auction of sorts could work, but you'd have to be able to pool your money with other players for the townies to have a decent chance with that.

[ShyGuy]

Khush is just printing money. We need to base the warbucks economy on time and natural resources.

[BeautifulShy]

Does Vudu's vote count since he is dead? He did get it in before he died.

[that Baby guy]

Does it matter?  The vote bunker has been bought, after all.

[Khushrenada]

Well, due to the time limit of the game, the killer would only have 5 hits max. So, to give him a chance, I decided to add the extra kills. That said, I didn't want only the killer to use them so I set them at a low price. That said, it is true that those who have bought the kills get in a cycle motion where the kill is paid for by an person they hit plus they gain a bit extra from anything that person had banked.

When this is over, I'll give a bit of an autopsy on the game on what I think could be done to correct any deficiencies.

[ShyGuy]

Hey Khush, when you start AAA Mafia, would you be interested in a production designer? writer?

[Mop it up]

I think it's been said, but my suggestion for future use of the money idea is to make things a bit more evenly distributed to give more people a chance to buy stuff. Also, perhaps you should make the shop open at different times each day to give different people a chance to buy stuff?

[BeautifulShy]

*Looks over at the 1942 topic and wonder what is happening*

Vudu and I are dead so what is thatguy talking about.

[Mop it up]

And how come Vudu posted in the daily thread even though he yelled at Maxi for doing so?

[vudu]

I'LL BOMB YOU GOOD

[vudu]

And how come Vudu posted in the daily thread even though he yelled at Maxi for doing so?

Maxi said something that could have potentially influenced the outcome of the game (however unlikely).  I did not.

[BeautifulShy]

And how come Vudu posted in the daily thread even though he yelled at Maxi for doing so?

Maxi said something that could have potentially influenced the outcome of the game (however unlikely).  I did not.

Well it isn't like nobody knows who the profitier is. He showed it with his greedy actions and he has been investigated.

Oh one more thing this is the last time I am going to listen to you on who to investigate. I basically wasted my money because you couldn't trust someone else.