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First of all, you'd be pretty hard-pressed to convince the average gamer that having Tekken, Soul Caliber, and the Tales series as exclusives to your system wouldn't be a pretty sizable advantage.

Second, Bandai controls some of the most popular franchises in Japan, including Naruto and One Piece. Regardless of whether or not Banco would do anything for them outside of Japan, it would be worth it alone for the fact that it would be a huge chunk of Japanese entertainment properties which would be Nintendo-only.

-SB

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Then that's an ironclad shame.

Having sway or influence over Banco and its franchises could easily make the difference between success and failure in the upcoming console wars (that's not an exaggeration, either).

-SB

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:rumor: Silent Hill 5 exclusive to Revolution
« on: January 23, 2006, 11:38:14 AM »
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Originally posted by: Ceric
PSO

(But then that's that whole "We are going to port everything good on the DC that was first party" thing too.)


PSO...and?

PSO is also on the Xbox and PC, and the future sequels will be on the PC. Sega is just throwing their franchises around, as usual.

-SB

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: 2-3 times powerful
« on: January 23, 2006, 10:13:00 AM »
I can safely say that I would not want a poster of that hanging anywhere.

The one true crime of RE4 is that you yourself can never pick up a chainsaw and go hog-wild with it until it ran out of fuel (which could have been an ammo source, just like bullets).

-SB

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Originally posted by: animecyberrat
so how much stock does Nintendo own of Bandia and Namco now anyways? Is it enough to influence them any?


From what I've heard, they should be somewhere in the 7th-10th range for the highest shareholder.

However, even being the highest shareholder guarantees nothing unless the other primary holders can be convinced to go their way.

-SB

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: rumor: Silent Hill 5 exclusive to Revolution
« on: January 23, 2006, 10:08:36 AM »
Unless Nintendo goes out there and literally FIGHTS for 3rd party support, they're not going to get it.

Furthermore, developers follow suit with whatever the host console tends to push for. If Nintendo would get off its ass and push some first party M-rated franchises, I'm sure we'd see more of them developed for Nintendo consoles. Same goes with online play: no one is going to make online games for Nintendo consoles until Nintendo shows enthusiasm for it first (which, thank god, they are).

-SB

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Originally posted by: kirby_killer_dedede
SB, you keep referring to 51% as being the necessary amount of a company to be the majority stockholder.  You don't need more than half the company to have the most of it.  One of the links you posted said that Nintendo was the 9th largeset stockholder in Bandai with only around 4 percent (not sure if that's right, I'm saying this from memory, I saw the links a few hours ago and am too lazy to check again).  That would suggeset that the majority stock holder only has around 15-20 percent.


That's a possibility, and while I know 51% is inaccurate (though it would assure total control), it's faster to say 51% and have everyone know what I'm talking about then to have to explain.

Let's say Nintendo owned 25% of Bandai stock. It's safe to assume 20% is held by shareholders who hold percentages too insignificant to vote or to even attend shareholder meetings. That leaves 55% of the stock as "voting" shares. Nintendo would have to work rather hard to "coerce" that 55% into seeing things their way and making some/all game releases Rev/DS exclusive.

Even if Nintendo was the very largest stockholder, it doesn't guarantee anything. Like Bik pointed out, due to the dispersion of the small shareholders, 41% would likely be enough to win every vote unopposed but anything less is uncertain.

-SB

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By the same argument, Nintendo used to own love hotels too, so buying the Playboy corporation would make sense.


Well, it's arguably the most predictably solid market around: sales of sex will never decline.

Some interesting articles, note the dates:

Oct. 17th, 2003 Article 1

June 10th, 2004 Article 2

They're moving toward something. That much is clear. They've bought stock, then bought stock again. It looks doubtful that a 51% share would ever be acquirable, but Nintendo gained the stock they have now through Mattel selling theirs at the end of an agreement they had with Bandai.

I think it's entirely possible that they're waiting for more stock to "free up". When that could happen, however, is anyone's guess.

-SB

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I have to be honest, I expected someone to show up with a huge counterpoint which I had overlooked somewhere.

Also, I've heard the Rev will indeed have Square support, possibly even for launch.

Lemme see if I can get a link on that...

EDIT: Found it!

-SB  

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: E3 expo site is up and running. (And predictions)
« on: January 20, 2006, 07:00:22 AM »
I hear what you're saying, but I figure it won't be too long before I can try it anyway.

Also, I have a job that would never allow for a 5 day absence, but it's the crowds which I truly despise.

-SB

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I love lightgun games. That was one of the best reasons to own a Dreamcast.

Bandai has the rights to all of Shonin jump (Naruto, One Piece, etc.) and the entire Gundam franchise. Controlling Bandai is controlling a massive part of the Japanese entertainment market, more so than it would be in the US.

If anything, Nintendo could reestablish control at home with Bandai alone. Namco is just gravy, gravy which no doubt a lot of PS2 users are looking forward to on the PS3 for their key franchises (especially RPGs).

I have to stop this, otherwise I'll get myself hyped up and be crushed with disappointment when E3 rolls around...

-SB

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: E3 expo site is up and running. (And predictions)
« on: January 20, 2006, 05:55:18 AM »
I had the chance to go to E3 the last year but didn't go.

My combined hatred of crowds, air travel and California will prevent me from ever going to one of these.

I just don't see 2-3 days of playing unfinished games as being worth the hassle and money involved, especially when all of the media I want to see is made readily available for download mere hours after it has been presented at E3.

-SB

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Originally posted by: animecyberratIts like the only good thing about the controller so far, its a built in light gun for light gun fans.


I actually mentioned this to a friend the other day: lightgun games should be a goddamn shoe-in on the Rev because everyone who owns the system technically already owns a lightgun as well. That removes the hardware barrier right there.

-SB

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Interesting Little Poll...
« on: January 20, 2006, 04:55:02 AM »
Yeah, Nintendo always wins polls like these. The GC was at the top of every poll back in the day, everything from "What system do you want the most?" to "Which console should we develop for?"

I hate to call it meaningless, but experience shows us that this is indeed the case.

-SB

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:What if Nintendo controlled Bandai/Namco?
« on: January 20, 2006, 04:38:22 AM »
Read the post again. Where did I say the word "purchase"?

Nintendo doesn't need to buy anyone. They just need to have that magical 51% of the interest if they want things to happen their way. Claiming full-on ownership of a company comes with a lot of drawbacks, and while I agree that funding smaller developers with innovative ideas is a sound practice, you cannot deny the power and the presence that B/N holds in both the US and more so in Japan.

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Originally posted by: Hocotate
If Nintendo got excusive Bandai/Namco, it would be like Sony getting Squaresoft back in the day. More developers would slowly make the move over to Nintendo (Konami, SE, Capcom). I think Tekken, Soul Calibur, Tales of, and all the Anime franchises would be more then enough to do such a thing.


See, this is what I feel escapes far too many people, especially Nintendo fans.

Like I said in my OP, Sony won because they had all the games. Why did they have all the games? Because after they got enough games, the rest of the developers saw the direction the flow was heading and followed suit for Sony. No one paid these developers or published their games. They just wanted to be on the console with the biggest sales and it's the PS2's gaming library which makes this a reality.

Snatching up all of the Bandai/Namco gaming franchises before the fight has even truly begun would be like pointing all of the potential developers who are undecided squarely in the Rev's direction. If enough of the "big guys" back a console, the little guys will all do the same for fear of being left out in the cold.

Why Nintendo wouldn't do this is beyond me. Unless they like being third for some reason, exclusive games are the only way to win a console war. No one is going to buy a game on the Rev because the Rev version has some moderate controller functionality which the PS3 and 360 versions do not, especially when they don't own a Rev already. They'll buy the Rev for the games they can't get anywhere else, and as the GC has shown us, Nintendo cannot produce enough games on its own to maintain a consistent flow of exclusive titles.

No one has been locked into a buying decision. Because of that, now would be the ideal time for Nintendo to pull this off, immediately changing the minds of millions of people who were previously dedicated PS3 fans.

-SB  

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Nintendo Gaming / What if Nintendo controlled Bandai/Namco?
« on: January 19, 2006, 07:47:27 PM »
Flash back to SW2K1 for a moment. Before Wind Waker was unveiled, Nintendo fans around the world believed that the tech demo featuring the ultra-realistic Link and Gannondorf duking it out would be the graphical style for the next LoZ game.

Then, economically speaking, Nintendo made one of the biggest mistakes I've ever seen a company make: convince thousands (likely millions) of players who were interested in buying their console to not buy it. IGN reported that, on the day of WW's unveiling, the greatest shift of players from the GC forums to the Xbox and PS2 forums occurred, with the inquiries about the PS2 and Xbox from posters who had formerly remained on the Nintendo forums doubling and tripling.

IGN is one case of this, but I have no reason to doubt that similar trends were occurring everywhere.

Now, before you get upset about me bashing WW, know that this is not what I'm here to do. I loved WW (though I'll eat my pants if Twilight Princess doesn't outsell it...), I'm only pointing out how much of an effect you can have on your market before your potential customer base has been solidified in its buying decision (ie before your and your competition's products have been released).

Flash forward to the present time.

Nintendo has rented the Kodak Theater for their pre-E3 press release (a picture, if you're curious). Obviously, they're making a big deal about the Rev and everything that comes with it, but no one rents this theater without due cause (it doesn't come cheap).

Prior to their merger with Namco, Nintendo owned a large stake in Bandai. They also owned shares of Namco. The simple bit of speculation I'm offering here is this: what would happen if Nintendo announced that, with a new controlling interest in Bandai/Namco, all next-gen and handheld games from the gaming giant are now Rev/DS exclusive? That includes Tekken, Soul Caliber, Tales, ALL of Shonin Jump and Gundam (there are many more, but those are just some of the biggest titles worth mentioning).

One might argue that it would be detrimental to Bandai/Namco if all their games were restricted to Nintendo hardware and it would...were we not in the middle of a generation change. That's the beauty of the situation: when Nintendo dropped its bomb about Wind Waker, no one had yet been locked into buying a GC so it was a terrible idea to give them incentive not to (I don't care if you liked WW or not, if you can't understand why the game would be a turnoff to the average gamer, I'm not going to try to convince you. Bottom line is that Nintendo could have used their money and money is still money, even from graphics-whores).

They could turn the same situation into their biggest blow to the PS3: revealing that a number of titles which some would have seen as a reason to BUY a PS3 into Rev exclusives, effectively changing the mind of potential buyers and convincing them to buy a Rev. The PS2 didn't win this past generation because it was better hardware or had better exclusives: it won because it was the game console for someone who wanted anything. RPGs? PS2. Sports? PS2. Action? PS2. Adventure? PS2. etc. etc. There were exclusives on the GC and Xbox which made them worth owning, but no one can deny that the PS2 won and won big by simply having the biggest game library.

Right now, Sony is going to do everything they can to push Blu-Ray (Sony's proprietary media format) into the average household. This means that support for the PS2 is probably going to be nearly nonexistent, as every game released for the PS2 instead of the PS3 is one more reason not to bring Blu-Ray into your home. The first round of PS2 games were actually PS1 games which were moved over to the PS2 in the interest of not releasing their game on a fading console. The point is, in this next round of console releases, everything resets back to zero. Releasing games on the PS2 because it has the largest userbase is no longer an issue (and like I said, Sony will do everything it can to push Blu-Ray, just like it is for UMD, and that means pushing all would-be PS2 launches to the PS3).

I know Nintendo has stated something along the lines of not being "in competition" with Sony and MS. Anyone with a simple grasp of economics knows this is impossible. Simply put, when you're competing for the money of your customers, you're competing with EVERY POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVE. Videogames are competing for the money of their customer against any and every possible alternative which their potential buyers might spend their money on: movies, music, cars, drugs, sex, etc. This defeatist attitude of "no competition" is either admission of defeat or it's a facade. I'd like to believe it's the latter. I'd like to believe that Nintendo doesn't feel it's only worthy of patronage when its would-be customers happen to have enough left over in their entertainment budgets for a Revolution game.

So yeah, it's all speculation, but in my defense, I'm speculating based on the facts which are already plain to us.
Nintendo didn't buy stock in Bandai without an intention to make use of that control. Why would they? If it's money return they want, they could invest that money in new companies like they've been doing all along and chance upon the next "Pokemon". I'm sure there's a very good reason they chose to invest in Bandai, I just think it would be great if this was it.

The announcement that many popular franchises previously thought to be PS3 exclusive will instead be Rev exclusive is damaging, but it's 100x more damaging when that announcement is made before anyone has actually made a purchasing decision regarding the PS3 or Rev. It would be identical to the WW announcement, except that it would be beneficial to Nintendo and a detriment to Sony and MS.

It's not going to happen: it's too good to be true. However, I maintain that it would likely be the most incredible move Nintendo could make when it comes to securing 3rd party support for the console and convincing potential buyers that the Rev will be the best choice when it comes time to spend their hard earned $$$.

-SB  

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TalkBack / RE:Iwata on Revolution Launch Date
« on: January 19, 2006, 12:27:56 PM »
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Originally posted by: razorpitand actually have enough units to sell for the Christmas holiday season unlike Microsoft's failed 360 launch.


That's a valid point as well.

Though, I think MS right now has their next-gen "beta session" until either Sony or Nintendo launches. When that happens, they can drop the price by a ton (angering the hell out of the early adopters, but early adopters are used to that sort of treatment) and launch Halo 3 just to put a dent in any sales Sony or Nintendo would have seen. Plus, they can use this time as a trial to work the remaining bugs out of live before the real system seller hits.

I fully expect the Halo 3 release to be like a second launch for the 360: H3 is the real system seller and everyone knows this (I've finished PD0: it's meant to fill the void until a REAL FPS arrives on the system, nothing more).

Call me a pessimist, but unless the Rev launch DOES include multiple AAA titles (a minimum of 3, ideally more), I think MS currently has the upper hand. By getting into the market first, they have more time to experiment and to plan their key game releases to overshadow the launches of their competitors. I know the system isn't doing all that great right now, but it has time to pick up speed whereas the PS3 and Rev NEED to hit the ground running to keep up.

-SB

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TalkBack / RE:Iwata on Revolution Launch Date
« on: January 19, 2006, 09:47:10 AM »
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
It has SOME motion sensing technology but probably not exactly the same as the Rev controller.


From what I've been told, it has the motion sensing but it isn't very good.

But that's not even the POINT. The point is that this picture came from around a month ago, and we know a semi-finished Rev will be on display at E3. The crappy knock-offs are here NOW, but the odds that a vastly better knock-off will be available by the time the Rev has launched can't be ignored.

Granted, the support being offered by Nintendo for the controller is what will truly make the concept a winner, but I wouldn't put it past sony or ms to want to be able to say, "Yeah, we've got that, too." when it comes to the controller technology.

Regardless, Nintendo had better be offering 3-5 system sellers at the time of launch. A Mario title, a SSB title, and a Metroid title would be ideal, but something to cover the platforming, fighting and adventure genres would be a solid launch base to start with, along with a FPS which uses the controller to its full abilities.

Yeah, I know: this is far too much to expect, but this would be an ideal launch for the Rev.

-SB

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TalkBack / RE:Iwata on Revolution Launch Date
« on: January 19, 2006, 06:09:01 AM »
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Originally posted by: DeadlyD
Sony are going to be saying there date in just a week or two, im sure Nintendo will announce around or soon after


That's a good point.

The PS3 was expected to launch in march, but I too would be surprised if it did. I remember hearing that Halo 3 was going to launch right in the face of the PS3 and the MS exec said it would be in march. Then again, I don't pretend to keep track of the PS3...

However, for those who think patents protect Nintendo, think again...



There's usually always a way to wiggle around patents.

-SB

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TalkBack / RE: Iwata on Revolution Launch Date
« on: January 18, 2006, 07:06:25 PM »
They probably mean US thanksgiving, but I wish he meant Canadian.

When's the PS3 due out? March? I don't like the idea of Nintendo being last to the table. I've already seen some knock-offs of the rev controller. If the competition has all the way until Nov of this year, it would be quite possible to develop controllers similar to the rev's and do as much damage as they can before Nintendo even enters the market.

I hope I'm just paranoid...

-SB

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:DDR with Mario
« on: November 18, 2005, 01:17:31 PM »
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Originally posted by: Pale
So, I tried playing it with my PS2 mats, and for some reason the converters I bought have so much a delay that it is unplayable.  I'm quite pissed about the whole thing...

Do any of you know of any stores that carry adaptors.  I ask because I would like to try more, but I'm not gonna keep ordering stuff online, on the chance it may not work..

Dammit.. I'm seriously bummed about this.


Same.

Bought two of the "PlayCube" adapters by Nyko and they don't work, at ALL.

-SB

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TalkBack / RE:Starcraft: Ghost on GameCube Cancelled
« on: November 03, 2005, 10:37:41 AM »
I never planned on getting it. Besides, it's been in development hell for so long that I can't imagine it'll be good.

I seriously doubt we'll be missing much.

-SB

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TalkBack / RE: Rampage Returns
« on: August 11, 2005, 09:44:19 AM »
One or two player mode? What the hell...

Rampage is meant to be a THREE player game...

-SB

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix
« on: July 27, 2005, 07:44:29 AM »
25-30 songs is disappointing, but I'll still likely pick up the game anyway...

-SB  

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: The Mailbag Lives!
« on: July 26, 2005, 06:52:20 PM »
I know not everyone agrees with the list, but if you look at tourney results, the list generally holds true.

-SB

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