Author Topic: Fantasy Rumour: Rev backwards compatibility with Sega (Read 12495 times)

jasonditz · « **Reply #25 on:** June 18, 2005, 12:55:15 PM »

Offering a legal, reasonably priced, and user friendly emulation-on-console could be huge.

Kind of like how Apple didn't invent downloading music, but by "doing it right" they're the ones making the bulk of the money off of it.

nickmitch · « **Reply #26 on:** June 18, 2005, 06:20:53 PM »

But in that situation there were those who got got caught. The arrests made some people go get it free. Plus the ipod being a very popular piece of machinery didn't hurt either.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #27 on:** June 18, 2005, 08:59:21 PM »

Black: Legality does not matter to patent law. It's an obvious "improvement" upon existing technology (even though it might not be legal, I'm not sure they're even illegal) and therefore not a valid patent. If patent law only counted implementations by big companies it would really need a rewrite. It's screwing up the small guy enough already. Besides, some games include emulators for consoles, those wouldstill be prior art even though they might not be in the firmware (obvious step). If Nintendo tried to patent software emulation on consoles MS would nuke them to high heaven.

TVman: Yes but the iPod would NEVER have been this popular if users couldn't download 20GBs of MP3s basically for free. Ripping your music collection and adding your iTunes songs would cost (20GB/3MB=6826 songs, *1 US dollar per song...) 6826 US dollars to get 20GBs together. Like anyone's going to do that.

WindyMan · « **Reply #28 on:** June 18, 2005, 09:16:58 PM »

To tell the truth, the the idea of playing Genesis games on the Revolution has crosssed my mind before. All of the NES, SNES and N64 games are going to be running on emulation anyway, so if Sega and Nintendo somehow co-collaborated on some of the hardware/software issues to run Sega games on Nintendo hardware, then things would really get interesting.

However, this isn't going to happen. The second you put on Genesis emulation for Sega's games, third parties will probably want to throw in their Genesis games in too. Then Nintendo runs the risk of having Genesis games sell better than SNES games on the download service.

We can all dream, though.

Talon · « **Reply #29 on:** June 19, 2005, 12:16:55 AM »

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Originally posted by: WindyMan

However, this isn't going to happen. The second you put on Genesis emulation for Sega's games, third parties will probably want to throw in their Genesis games in too. Then Nintendo runs the risk of having Genesis games sell better than SNES games on the download service.

You will probably find that 3rd parties would have to pay a fee to nintendo for use of the download service which is then passed on to the consumer.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #30 on:** June 19, 2005, 12:35:18 AM »

If they raise the price too much they'll receive a huge backlash. Especially in the US with its low standards of living. What if NCL hosts the servers and wants to see a certain amount per game? What could NOA do?

Pale · « **Reply #31 on:** June 19, 2005, 06:50:32 PM »

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Especially in the US with its low standards of living.

Huwhat? Political commentary er what?

Anyway, I don't see why Nintendo would be upset if other people got on board. Obviously they want it to happen, otherwise they wouldn't have stressed every game at E3. What is the difference between releasing a third party game for the NES or a Sega game for the Genesis?

Talon · « **Reply #32 on:** June 19, 2005, 08:30:20 PM »

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Originally posted by: Pale

What is the difference between releasing a third party game for the NES or a Sega game for the Genesis?

The difference will be there is a NES emulator in the Revolution but there is no Genesis emulator in the revolution. For nintendo to include a genisis emulator in the Revolution they would have to pay SEGA for the emulator and then probably have to pay some sort of license fee for each rom. Could get quite expensive.

Pale · « **Reply #33 on:** June 19, 2005, 08:35:14 PM »

Yeah, i understand that. I was referring to Windy's comment about Nintendo not doing it because they don't want Genesis games to sell more than SNES ones..etc.

Caillan · « **Reply #34 on:** June 19, 2005, 08:41:17 PM »

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Huwhat? Political commentary er what?

What was political about that statement?

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Then Nintendo runs the risk of having Genesis games sell better than SNES games on the download service.

Nintendo has embarrassed themselves so regularly over the last two generations with stupid decisions and worse advertising that they won't care. Nobody else would anyway. I think that the main object of the downlodable games is to provide more of a reason to buy a Revolution and keep the fans satisfied, not to make lots of money from them then bragging about it. Having Sega on boaard won't be detrimental to their goal at all.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #35 on:** June 20, 2005, 02:52:26 AM »

Huwhat? Political commentary er what?

The cost of keeping your livestyle is much lower in the US than most other industrial nations (we call that living standard here). Just recently I overheard two Americans complaining about the prices here ("for one dollar fifty you can get a Bigmac, here they ask for almost four dollars!"). The US is just MUCH cheaper to live in. Cheap gas, cheap food, cheap games, etc. Go to the UK or Sweden and have a look at the prices there, you'll be SHOCKED.

Talon: The point of this discussion is that Sega themselves decide to contribute the emulator in order to get in on the money making. After all, Sega is pretty much the only one with a huge portfolio of old games and no NES/SNES/N64 releases.

stevey · « **Reply #36 on:** June 20, 2005, 03:43:29 AM »

"Then Nintendo runs the risk of having Genesis games sell better than SNES games on the download service."

I don't think sega or nintendo care who out sell who in the rom because they know once S.E. get on with ff they have the full win.

"they would have to pay SEGA for the emulator and then probably have to pay some sort of license fee for each rom."

No sega would be happy to sell there old game for money and no work that all they do now. I bet there begging to put it on the rev.

"The US is just MUCH cheaper to live in. Cheap gas, cheap food, cheap games, etc. Go to the UK or Sweden and have a look at the prices there, you'll be SHOCKED."

So we have to pay more for drugs! $100 a pill! go to cannada them free! WTF! WTF! WTF!

Ian Sane · « **Reply #37 on:** June 20, 2005, 07:46:56 AM »

"So we have to pay more for drugs! $100 a pill! go to cannada them free! WTF! WTF! WTF!"

They're not free. We have a federal sales tax. The US doesn't. That's why we have "free" health care.

"Nintendo has embarrassed themselves so regularly over the last two generations with stupid decisions and worse advertising that they won't care. Nobody else would anyway."

I would assume that Nintendo would care BECAUSE they've been making stupid decisions. Nobody else would do a lot of the stuff Nintendo does. It doesn't make sense to care if Genesis games sell better but that doesn't mean Nintendo wouldn't. It doesn't make sense to be a stubborn jerk towards third parties when you're in last place with no leverage and need to improve third party support but that hasn't stopped Nintendo.

Though realistically I can't think of any sane person who would purchase the Genesis version of a game over the SNES one. Aside from EA games 99% of the time the SNES had the better version.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #38 on:** June 20, 2005, 08:14:28 AM »

Yes, the SNES version of Gunstar Heroes was definitely better, I agree.

vudu · « **Reply #39 on:** June 20, 2005, 09:20:40 AM »

I'm kind of surprised no one's brought up the idea that Microsoft could strike a deal with Sega to bring Genesis/Saturn/etc games to Xbox 360. It would be a very nice way to combat one of the Revolution's biggest selling points.

stevey · « **Reply #40 on:** June 20, 2005, 09:33:45 AM »

"I'm kind of surprised no one's brought up the idea that Microsoft could strike a deal with Sega to bring Genesis/Saturn/etc games to Xbox 360. It would be a very nice way to combat one of the Revolution's biggest selling points. "

No, MS want you to pay $70 for a game with everything lock and want you to pay for unlocking them. They don't care about last gen game or they would let people play xbox game.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #41 on:** June 20, 2005, 10:05:52 AM »

"Yes, the SNES version of Gunstar Heroes was definitely better, I agree."

When did I say anything about Genesis EXCLUSIVES like Gunstar Heroes? Of course it makes sense to buy Genesis exclusives over non-existant SNES versions.

"I'm kind of surprised no one's brought up the idea that Microsoft could strike a deal with Sega to bring Genesis/Saturn/etc games to Xbox 360. It would be a very nice way to combat one of the Revolution's biggest selling points. "

How would that work with Microsoft's "HD only" rule? These old games were not designed for HD so it would probably require a fair bit of extra work to get them to fit the Xbox 360 "standards". Low cost is the whole reason to even do something like this.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #42 on:** June 20, 2005, 10:55:29 AM »

1. Sega games selling better than Nintendo games:
I could see something like this making Nintendo paranoid and not going for the backwards-Sega-compatibility, but it shouldn't, since Nintendo would probably earn small royalties on all the games sold anyway. It's just one more way to make money.

2. Sega on other consoles:
I was thinking about this too. While it's true Microsoft demands High-Def right now, I bet MS would reconsider for retro games, especially if Revolution backwards compatibility is a hit. All the more reason for Nintendo to greet Sega with open arms, I think. Why not prevent Micrsoft and Sony from coming up with a matching service? If Nintendo also offered Sega backwards compatibility, I don't think the competition would ever be able to come up with something equalling it. The closest they could get is offering the same Sega titles plus a few more obscure consoles.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #43 on:** June 20, 2005, 10:00:37 PM »

Pfft, knowing Microsoft they'll expect Sega to render their 320x240 (probably lower) images in full 1920x1080p glory so ignorant casuals can claim it looks much better with a HDTV.

I'm sure if Sega just went to Nintendo and told them they're going to make a Mega Drive emulator for the Rev Nintendo would agree. Not like there'd be much left to do, they already have some form of Mega Drive emulator in the Sonic Mega Collection, probably needs just a few improvements to make it work with all games and it's good to go. the MD is backwards compatible with the MS hardware-wise so it should work even for MS games.

stevey · « **Reply #44 on:** June 21, 2005, 02:01:23 PM »

'Sega games selling better than Nintendo games:"

I can only name two sega game that will out sell every nintendo game GOLDEN AXE 1&2!!!!!!!!!!!

*drooling a river*

"Sega to render their 320x240 (probably lower) images in full 1920x1080p glory so ignorant casuals can claim it looks much better with a HDTV."

so maybe that why nintendo not doing hd I know I wroge so don't rub it in my face. I just puting it out there.

Guitar Smasher · « **Reply #45 on:** June 21, 2005, 02:56:37 PM »

I don't think Nintendo would be against Sega in this. I believe some Nintendo figures have said that this service isn't motivated by profit. Of course, they're going to make money off of it, and they're going to try to milk it (it's Nintendo!), but I'm pretty sure they're not worried of losing money to Sega. Really, I think the idea for this service came as a result of their position; they can't compete with Microsoft and Sony who'll try to outdo each other with their money. So they asked themselves, what can we have, that they can't? Classics is the answer, and if they lose Sega/other classics to other systems, then this service is of little benefit to them.

nickmitch · « **Reply #46 on:** June 21, 2005, 05:59:08 PM »

Well it seems to me that Nintendo is planning to have another post-launch drought and this downloading system will just provide a distraction until some good games come out. So it's more about appeasing fans than making money.

ThePerm · « **Reply #47 on:** June 21, 2005, 10:22:29 PM »

well Yuji Naka said something to the extent..maybe he'll go to his boss and say "hey we should do this" and then his bosss will say
"Now we can make money"...also "we'll create sammy virtul pachinco!"

couchmonkey · « **Reply #48 on:** June 23, 2005, 07:17:22 AM »

I think backwards compatibility in this case is a good selling point too. I haven't really seen backwards compatability as a huge selling point in the past because being able to replay the games I just finished a year or two ago seemed pointless (plus I never sell my old systems). But this feature is a bit more interesting, because it reaches all the way back into Nintendo's library to systems many people haven't owned or played since they were kids...systems some people have never owned! That's a lot more interesting, I think.

I agree that it will also be a nice distraction during the post-launch drought, but I hope Nintendo has more planned than relying on a bunch of 15 year old games, because I don't think that will look so great if Sony and MS are releasing tons of new games. There's no way to stop a post-launch drought (unless you can muster 10-20 internally-developed games) but you can make it better by releasing a few big-name titles and marketing them appropriately.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #49 on:** June 23, 2005, 08:40:41 AM »

I don't think that Sega games would definately sell more than Nintendo games. I usually find that Nintendo games were of better quality. However, it would be smart for Nintendo to get Sega Master System and Sega Genesis support for Revolution. It just further makes Revolution the system for classic gaming.

I had a Sega Master System back in the day and there are tons of games that are terrific.

I still believe that backwards compatiability at a reasonable price will be a HUGE selling point for Nintendo. Most people did not keep all of their games and game systems. If they can buy for a dollar or 2 dollars a classic game they enjoyed as a kid they will.

It also helps capture the nongaming audience that may remember the arcade games from yesterday and want to play those, but not new games.

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