Topic: Wii U - e3 is over... now what?

[ThePerm]

from what i hear the Wii U sticks are different from both slide pads and regular joysticks. The n64 joystick was different then Gamecube and Wii Joysticks. This one will probably improve on that too...like sticks of butter!

[Caterkiller]

Ok I know i'm first with this information!

Nintendo's developers will continue to work on a number of different titles, and I think that we will have to rely on outside companies for graphics and other elements that require massive resources," Aonuma said, specifically addressing the idea of future partnerships. "I'm satisfied when the cooperation between Nintendo and other companies becomes something meaningful for both parties.[/l]

Interesting article about Nintendo working with other developers. Not the same article from a while back with Miyamoto about Retro, but this expands upon it. Read it from not BlackNMild first!

http://uk.wii.ign.com/articles/121/1219698p1.html?

[bustin98]

You can't put a ban on guns because of the temptation they create. People are innocent until proven guilty. When you buy something, you own it and you can do with it as you please. When a console maker releases a console for $50 and says you are leasing it and they want it back in 5 years, then I will say that you shouldn't mod it.

Not to play devil's advocate...but I must for fun. 
Even in the US, when you are buying a gun you must register for a background check, and in some States register so the government knows you have a gun.  Sure, it is innocent before proven guilty, but they are dang sure making tabs on anyone that is legally buying guns so they can know who could possibly use them.

Now, this could relate to hacking.  People are looking at hackers as people who can potentially pirate software, great viruses, do all sorts of cyber crimes.  Is it fair no of course not.  It probably is only a small percentage of hackers that do these things, but nobody knows the size exactly and what people can do with hacking scares companies and governments.

The problem though is this line of thinking is using scare tactics as an excuse to control people's behavior. And you have to ask where to draw the line. The fear of using guns in crimes caused registration acts across the nation, but it failed to address the root cause of the crime, and gun crime is not deterred due to legislation.

So, it needs to be asked: Why do people hack their consoles? If its to install applications not included in the initial release, it would seem that adding the ability to add custom apps would be a way to reduce people's need to hack the system. If its just to see what the system can do, then find a way to allow people easy access to the internals. Greater freedom can create a greater market place.

To solve an issue, you address the root. Not apply bandaids to the symptoms.

[Mop it up]

Not sure if this was posted but here's a link to NeoGaf with illustrations of the original tablet controller design vs the one at E3 last year. I like the original design more.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=35468866&postcount=10922

I also like the original design more. Although it doesn't have handles, it at least looks like the edges are more contoured to hands. However, I don't think it could ever match up to the comfort of the separated design of the Wiimote and Nunchuk. The Start and Select buttons were moved to a place where they are not easily reachable, and can't really be used for anything other than a pause button.

As for the analogue, I prefer sticks to slide pads, as sticks offer more resistance that makes them easier to press halfway. The tilt also helps me discern in which direction I'm pressing the stick. The only reason the slide pad exists is because a stick is too large to fit into a close-lid portable, so I don't know why they would want to put them on a home system controller. However, the ones on the Wii U controller look like they could be somewhere in between sticks and a slide pad, so hopefully they are better than the 3DS's loose slide pad.

[Spak-Spang]

Bustin98:  I totally agree.  However, it is easier in a world to restrict freedom than to figure out how to use freedom to your benefit.  The hacking community is an interesting community.  They stick together and are fairly loyal, and many of them don't do it for the free piracy...however their actions allow for the pirates to exist and function.  So who do you go after? 

It is not a hard decision if you are a company...but it is a hard decision to make the RIGHT decision. 

[NWR_insanolord]

Jailbreaking smartphones was made explicitly legal by an official exception to the DMCA, and I believe the EFF is pushing for it to be expanded to include game consoles. If that happens, it'll be interesting to see how the console makers respond.

[TJ Spyke]

I doubt it will be expanded to game consoles, the EFF should just focus on keeping it for phones (it's not a permanent exception, it's one that has to be renewed next time they evaluate it).

[Stogi]

Why wouldn't it be expanded to all machines? If I want to jailbreak my fridge, I should because it's MY fridge.

[Ian Sane]

It ain't your fridge, it's your licence to use THEIR fridge and if you don't play by their rules they take away your licence.

That is the direction things are working towards.  No company prior to the internet age ever suggested that any product you bought from them wasn't really your property and that you couldn't do what you wanted with it.  I never heard this licence nonsense until Napster became big and everyone was pirating music and it has become so widespread that it is normal to encounter regular people with no stake whatsoever in any company defending this and acting like it is such an instinctive and normal idea that you wonder why the founding fathers didn't put it in the constitution.  I swear there are people hardwired to willingly give up their freedom.

The very fact that a law has to state that jailbreaking a phone is legal is ridiculous.  That is what should instinctively be assumed.  Apple or any other company suggesting otherwise is the exception.  A law banning it would make more sense.  Everything is legal until a law is creating stating otherwise.

Pirating IP should be illegal.  Doing as you wish with legal products you buy should not be.  Once you buy it it is your's to do with as you please.  And if you use it to commit a crime then you get charged for that crime.  It's like how owning a knife is not illegal but if I jab into someone's gut, THAT is a crime and I get punished for attempted murder not "breach of CutCo knife user agreement".

[Ceric]

...
 It's like how owning a knife is not illegal but if I jab into someone's gut, THAT is a crime and I get punished for attempted murder not "breach of CutCo knife user agreement".

But if it dulls in any just send it in and it will be resharpened free of charge.  I would suggest the Fisherman's Solution

I sold Knives for the summer. Stunk at getting leads.

[Chozo Ghost]

It's like how owning a knife is not illegal but if I jab into someone's gut, THAT is a crime and I get punished for attempted murder not "breach of CutCo knife user agreement".

It would be funny if someone used something like a PS3 as a weapon to commit a murder and then instead of getting charged with murder they are charged with "jailbreaking" their PS3 over someone's head and are punished under that criteria. Well not literally funny because someone was murdered, but you know what I mean...

[NWR_insanolord]

The very fact that a law has to state that jailbreaking a phone is legal is ridiculous.  That is what should instinctively be assumed.  Apple or any other company suggesting otherwise is the exception.  A law banning it would make more sense.  Everything is legal until a law is creating stating otherwise.

The reason they need a law to explicitly make jailbreaking a phone legal is that the DMCA could be read to mean it was illegal, so they made a special exception to the DMCA allowing it.

[BlackNMild2k1]

I meant to post this a few days ago, but I had misplaced the original link. But now there is a new one, so here you go.

http://www.destructoid.com/ikachan-ds-first-look-nicalis-working-on-wii-u-3ds-title-223118.phtml

[Caterkiller]

I can't link anything from my phone, but it is finally confirmed that we get the real Assassins Creed 3 and not some bootleg spin off.

[Mannypon]

Ass Creed 3 is a day one purchase for me.  I got all the others on my 360 and loved each one.  So far, I think the WiiU launch will be one of the best ever based on whats rumored and announced to be cominig out on launch and its window.  This is not even including whatever Nintendo has in store. 

[Ceric]

Ass Creed 3 is a day one purchase for me.  I got all the others on my 360 and loved each one.  So far, I think the WiiU launch will be one of the best ever based on whats rumored and announced to be cominig out on launch and its window.  This is not even including whatever Nintendo has in store. 

That makes it sound like porn ><

[Shaymin]

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[Ceric]

http://www.develop-online.net/news/40073/GDC-Nintendo-licenses-Autodesk-tech-for-Wii-U-devs
Nintendo is licensing the tech from Autodesk for the use of developers with there dev kits.

That should be in the Wii U thread or in a newly created "News from GDC 2012" thread.

What would that mean for developers?

It really consider how good these tools are and if Developers are currently using them.  I know Autodesk is the leader in Cad with AutoCAD and 3DS Max is pretty well used.  I am assuming that Nintendo is doing this deal so they can offer these products to there developers at a cheaper rate.  Which would help with there game budget and make a little bit of defacto standard.

I'm not really sure how much this would matter.  Someone in the trenches would have a better idea.

[TJ Spyke]

I am sure more people are familiar with Havok (the company which makes the Havok software, in addition to Autodesk), which Nintendo is also licensing the Havok software.

[Caterkiller]

Pachter say's Wii-U will be like Dreamcast? Apple hole!


http://www.vg247.com/2012/03/12/pachter-wii-u-wont-be-as-popular-as-probably-nintendo-thinks/?

The reason that you’re saying that it’s premature, I think you’re really trying to suggest that it’s not going to sell well.
I think that if in fact it’s a lot like an Xbox 360 in terms of graphics, frame rate and control scheme, then it’s probably not going to sell well unless it’s priced a lot cheaper, and I don’t think they’re launching the console at $150.
So, yeah I think they are about to Dreamcast themselves. I don’t think Wii U is going to be as popular as probably Nintendo thinks it’s going to be. Question is, what does Nintendo do next, and I don’t know the answer yet. Let’s see howWii U sells, and I’m not going to predict this demise until I know pricing and features. When I know more about it, I’ll offer a better opinion.

Too bad he doesn't know what I know.

Next Mario most likely won't be a new Galaxy.
http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/36325/mario-galaxy-3-is-difficult-to-imagine-nintendo/


They used most of the Galaxy ideas up in part 2. So a new concept is brewing, yay!

[Kairon]

Do you know something you're not telling us caterkiller?

[Caterkiller]

 Nah nothing else, and probably won't learn anything new for a while. But he's on about the capabilities being on par with 360 and such, and if UE4 is only for next gen consoles and that includes Wii U, then he is super wrong. Wii U utilizing UE4 is a fact! FACT I SAY!

[Ian Sane]

The Dreamcast is like the exact opposite of the Wii in every way.  I would prefer that to the Wii U being anything like the Wii was.  But Pachter is saying this so do not expect the Wii U to underperform in any way whatsoever.  This guy is an "expert", which means you should completely ignore him.

[Chozo Ghost]

This guy is an idiot.

I don’t think Wii U is going to be as popular as probably Nintendo thinks it’s going to be.

Why? Because it will be slightly less powerful than the PS420? Has Packturd forgotten that the Wii and PS2 (not counting the Dreamcast) were the least powerful systems of their respective generations, but also the most popular and best selling?

The Dreamcast was slightly less powerful than the PS2 and it failed, but being the least powerful wasn't the reason. The Saturn/32X/Sega CD fiasco and the fact Sega was near bankruptcy was the reason why the Dreamcast failed. Nintendo is no where near bankrupt so Packturd's logic is flawed and incorrect. Even an elementary school student could understand this, so why can't he?

I had a low opinion of Packturd to begin with, but this shows that not only can't he predict the future, but he doesn't even understand the past or present either. Being the least powerful system and first to market has usually resulted in a console winning by a landslide. I am not an "expert" like he is, but my amateur prediction is that the Wii U will be an overwhelming success, and being the first on the market will be a major reason for that, even if it does end up being slightly weaker than the competition.

[Kytim89]

The Wii U will be successful just on the premise of allowing gamers to have Nintendo first party and third party games on one single system. Why spend money on a Xbox to play GTA and then buy a Wii U to play Zelda/Mario/Metroid/Smash Brothers when you can have everything on one console? Most harcore gamers are still Nintendo fans by heart, but Nintendo's business policies in the last fifteen years has turned off the massess. I am very curious to see how the market reacts when the top of the line version of Call of Duty and Smash Brothers appear on the same console. People will go insane.