Author Topic: Official Virtual Console Mondays Thread (Read 718101 times)

broodwars · « **Reply #2650 on:** March 04, 2009, 05:15:07 AM »

I still own my copy of Ogre Battle 64 and my Nintendo 64 to run it. But my TV's input jacks are completely full between my DVD player; Wii; computer; and PS2 so I have nowhere I could put my N64 even if I wanted play it. Plus, if it gets put on Wii I can play the game with a wireless controller in component video.

Hopefully, this is a sign that Square-Enix is thinking about putting more of their lesser-known stuff out there. Wasn't Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together released in Japan as well? Sadly, I highly doubt we'll get that one, as S-E would have to localize it since I'm not sure if the Playstation version ever made it over here.

Caterkiller · « **Reply #2651 on:** March 04, 2009, 03:50:07 PM »

Any word on Star Fox? Has the ESRB rated it yet?

Stratos · « **Reply #2652 on:** March 04, 2009, 04:20:05 PM »

Quote from: Caterkiller on March 04, 2009, 03:50:07 PM

Any word on Star Fox? Has the ESRB rated it yet?

I don't expect to see that one this generation. Games that used the Super FX Chip or the Expansion Pak were reportedly do not emulate well so we may never see them.

NWR_insanolord · « **Reply #2653 on:** March 04, 2009, 05:04:53 PM »

I wonder what the problem is, I've played Star Fox in emulation through the Homebrew Channel and it seemed to run just fine, Yoshi's Island too.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #2654 on:** March 04, 2009, 05:17:02 PM »

That's because the emulator programmers put the time in to figure it out. Nintendo probably hasn't bothered with it for VC.

UltimatePartyBear · « **Reply #2655 on:** March 04, 2009, 05:20:03 PM »

I'd guess Nintendo doesn't consider it worthwhile to develop Super FX support for such a small number of titles.

TheYoungerPlumber · « **Reply #2656 on:** March 04, 2009, 10:29:08 PM »

Why doesn't Nintendo leverage open source code here? They seem to do it for Wii drivers, etc. Are they afraid doing so would somehow legitimize illegal ROMs?

EDIT: To answer my own question: ZSNES is open source free but for x86 architectures only and under the GPL--not so useful for PowerPC architectures or commercial software. SNES9x is multi-platform, but is not "free". (Nintendo would have to pay royalties if they wanted to use that technology.)

KDR_11k · « **Reply #2657 on:** March 05, 2009, 04:28:01 AM »

GPL is restrictive, you have to provide the sourcecode to anyone who asks and that could prove risky if they want to use Wii-specific trade secrets. Might even force them to opensource the whole Wii SDK if they want to use GPL code.

UltimatePartyBear · « **Reply #2658 on:** March 05, 2009, 12:00:11 PM »

Quote from: KDR_11k on March 05, 2009, 04:28:01 AM

GPL is restrictive, you have to provide the sourcecode to anyone who asks and that could prove risky if they want to use Wii-specific trade secrets. Might even force them to opensource the whole Wii SDK if they want to use GPL code.

That's highly unlikely if the theory that each VC download includes the emulator is correct. That makes each one clearly a standalone app. Regardless, I'm sure ZSNES gets down and dirty with the assembly for all the important parts, so porting it to PowerPC wouldn't be any easier than starting from scratch.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #2659 on:** March 05, 2009, 12:40:22 PM »

Yes but the SDK includes libraries that are most likely used in the coding of the emulator and you cannot use GPL code until all libraries and such are GPL too. Since the Wii doesn't really have an OS that acts as a hardware abstraction layer most of the hardware interface stuff is in the actual game code and anything in that code must be GPLed which would force a GPL release of the hardware interface stuff.

Caterkiller · « **Reply #2660 on:** March 05, 2009, 03:53:56 PM »

Curse you all and your negative technicle jargon!

TheYoungerPlumber · « **Reply #2661 on:** March 06, 2009, 01:51:01 AM »

Negative? We're talking about why SuperFX support may be too tall an order for Nintendo. If Nintendo doesn't think they'll sell enough copies of SuperFX games to make it worth their while, of course they aren't going to pay for the R&D. I don't think anyone is criticizing anyone here, except perhaps the nature of GPL-licensed software.

NWR_insanolord · « **Reply #2662 on:** March 06, 2009, 05:08:50 AM »

I don't see how it could be too expensive to be worth it if it's been done by people in their spare time who make no money off of it.

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #2663 on:** March 06, 2009, 08:59:56 AM »

Not exactly major news but meet the new American Nintendo Points card.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #2664 on:** March 06, 2009, 11:22:08 AM »

Looks the same here, apparently it was enough to dupe the stores who've market the regular 2000 points up to 25€ into selling this one at 20...

Caterkiller · « **Reply #2665 on:** March 06, 2009, 11:37:07 AM »

Quote from: TheYoungerPlumber on March 06, 2009, 01:51:01 AM

Negative? We're talking about why SuperFX support may be too tall an order for Nintendo. If Nintendo doesn't think they'll sell enough copies of SuperFX games to make it worth their while, of course they aren't going to pay for the R&D. I don't think anyone is criticizing anyone here, except perhaps the nature of GPL-licensed software.

I know what you guys are talking about, what I was trying to say was that basicly everything you guys said was a negative because it prevents star fox from releasing again. Not that it is negative, that make sense kinda?

UltimatePartyBear · « **Reply #2666 on:** March 06, 2009, 03:43:31 PM »

Quote from: insanolord on March 06, 2009, 05:08:50 AM

I don't see how it could be too expensive to be worth it if it's been done by people in their spare time who make no money off of it.

We're talking about hobbyists here. People will spend thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours to do for fun things that could never be profitable, whether they're making console emulators, giant air cannons, or rocket-propelled model X-Wings.

Caliban · « **Reply #2667 on:** March 06, 2009, 04:04:10 PM »

Time to derail the thread for a bit.

Quote from: UltimatePartyBear on March 06, 2009, 03:43:31 PM

rocket-propelled model X-Wings.

I couldn't believe until I googled it. It sure has been a long time since I've browsed Gizmodo.

They are crazy. Not for building these things, but for having those crowds so close to get hit by falling debris, and in both instances (x-wing and y-wing) you could see that someone was about to get hit by something.

BeautifulShy · « **Reply #2668 on:** March 09, 2009, 08:20:02 AM »

Today's games
For WW we have Gradius Rebirth for 1000 points.
On the VC we have Alex Kid:The Lost Stars costing 500 points.

TheFleece · « **Reply #2669 on:** March 14, 2009, 07:59:33 AM »

I came home and saw the Wii glowing. I figured it was another Mario Kart tournament or something and left it alone. I just turned on the system and checked the message and it's actually info about a World of Goo contest being run by Game Trailers- they're offering a good cache of goods too. Basically I think this is real cool news that I never would expect. Did anyone else catch this?

BeautifulShy · « **Reply #2670 on:** March 14, 2009, 12:06:07 PM »

I actually posted about this a few days ago in the world of goo thread.I don't think anybody saw it.

TheFleece · « **Reply #2671 on:** March 15, 2009, 01:32:52 AM »

I looked for the World of Goo thread and couldn't find it.

BeautifulShy · « **Reply #2672 on:** March 15, 2009, 02:01:11 AM »

Its on the second page currently in this forum...

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #2673 on:** March 15, 2009, 09:29:14 AM »

Bit.Trip Beat will come out tomorrow with a price point of 600 Wii Points.

Stratos · « **Reply #2674 on:** March 15, 2009, 07:12:39 PM »

Quote from: Flames_of_chaos on March 15, 2009, 09:29:14 AM

Bit.Trip Beat will come out tomorrow with a price point of 600 Wii Points.

I've heard some positive impressions concerning this game. I'm not sold on it yet though.

News:

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