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Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
« Reply #25 on: October 27, 2010, 07:08:15 PM »
Batman has to deal with a viagra addiction orchestrated by the Joker from behind bars.
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Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
« Reply #26 on: October 27, 2010, 08:52:16 PM »
Bad guy = Bane...maybe Two-Face, or both.
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Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
« Reply #27 on: October 27, 2010, 09:42:25 PM »
Why would The Riddler fight Bane or Two-Face?  This movie makes no sense.

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Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
« Reply #28 on: October 27, 2010, 10:02:01 PM »
Why would The Riddler fight Bane or Two-Face?  This movie makes no sense.

Thus this is the enigma that Batman is trying to solve.

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« Reply #29 on: October 27, 2010, 11:03:30 PM »
Bane breaking Batman's back would make a great movie scene.
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Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
« Reply #30 on: October 27, 2010, 11:35:10 PM »
Bane massaging Batman's back... not so much a great movie scene...
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Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
« Reply #31 on: October 27, 2010, 11:53:31 PM »
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Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
« Reply #32 on: October 28, 2010, 12:18:09 AM »
If Catwoman is the villain then that would put meaning to the Title The Darknight Rises.  ;D
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« Reply #33 on: October 28, 2010, 11:13:41 AM »
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Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
« Reply #34 on: October 28, 2010, 11:47:10 AM »
Two-Face was refered to as the Darknight, so the fact that this movie is titled Darknight Rises could imply that he is coming back in some sense.
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« Reply #35 on: October 28, 2010, 01:50:12 PM »
Kytim made a stupid.
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Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
« Reply #36 on: October 28, 2010, 01:54:09 PM »
Two-Face was refered to as the Darknight, so the fact that this movie is titled Darknight Rises could imply that he is coming back in some sense.

Harvey Dent was referred to as Gotham's "White Knight." This contrasts with Batman as it's "Dark Knight."
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Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
« Reply #37 on: October 28, 2010, 02:20:36 PM »
I hope that Christopher Nolan mines this list for good villain material:  http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-lamest-batman-villains.php

I vote for Crazy Quilt or Calendar Man.
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Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
« Reply #38 on: October 28, 2010, 02:22:30 PM »
Two-Face was refered to as the Darknight, so the fact that this movie is titled Darknight Rises could imply that he is coming back in some sense.

Harvey Dent was referred to as Gotham's "White Knight." This contrasts with Batman as it's "Dark Knight."

Yes, but I remember Nolan saying that the title of the film also refers to Dent going from being the White Knight to the Dark Knight by the end of the film.
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Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
« Reply #39 on: October 28, 2010, 07:14:27 PM »
I hope that Christopher Nolan mines this list for good villain material:  http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-lamest-batman-villains.php

I vote for Crazy Quilt or Calendar Man.

I think this is why Brave and the Bold is so awesome.  I believe five of those ten have appeared on the show.
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Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
« Reply #40 on: October 29, 2010, 02:06:07 AM »
Sorry, Kytim, but rewatch The Dark Knight. Gordon's monologue at the end clearly says that Dent was the White Knight, and Batman's the Dark Knight.
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Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
« Reply #41 on: October 29, 2010, 12:28:46 PM »
Sorry, Kytim, but rewatch The Dark Knight. Gordon's monologue at the end clearly says that Dent was the White Knight, and Batman's the Dark Knight.

http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Two-Face_(Aaron_Eckhart)#Two-Face
 
 
"It could be argued that while Batman Begins was the origin story of Batman, The Dark Knight was more Two-Face's tale. It was highly expressed that both men were effectively two halves of the same coin; one focused on justice regardless of the law while the other sought it through legal means. Both men had high respect and hope for each other, for it was mutual admiration that led both men to work together in hopes of ending Gotham's decades of corruption.
The duality that both men possess was portrayed in many tones, some subtle while others less so. Their nicknames of the White Knight and Dark Knight were respective of each other. While their needs were met, there were problems that only Batman could overcome thanks to his vigilante status, while at the same time, only Harvey Dent could deliver legal justice and cement Batman's efforts. Without Dent, Batman's capture of any criminal would be little more then a revolving door, as the legal system would otherwise be corrupted and used at the whim of the mafia.
Again like Wayne before him, Harvey's transformation into Two-Face was marked by a tragedy. Whereas Bruce Wayne's loss of his family triggered powerful vengeful emotions which he eventually overcame, Harvey never had the time to resolve the intense feelings of loss he felt at the death of Rachel Dawes. Thus, while Wayne's transformation into Batman resolved these emotions from negative to a more positive light, Dent's transformation into Two-Face was more the opposite, poisoning his once decent intentions. However, neither man's reaction to the tragedy could be described as mentally healthy, an unfortunate fact that the Joker constantly tried to make Batman realize and accept (Although the Joker's role in Dent's descent by making contact with Dent at an emotionally and mentally difficult time should be taken into account)."
 
If this is the case then the title Dark Knight is refering to Harvey Dent falling to his darker side. Of course the writers wanted the story's themes to criss cross one another, so there are many different interpretations to discern from the plot. I do agree with the idea that Two-Face and Batman are two side of the same coin( no pun intended). Ironically I found the ending of the movie to imply that Batman was actually the White Knight because of his good intentions for Gotham, but had to take on the Dark Knight image(to the public) to preserve the balance of the city. Harvey, on the other hand, was pepped up to be the White Knight, but became the Dark Knight when he gave into his primal nature.

You could also argue that the Joker was trying to convert Batman from the White Knight(inability to kill) to the Dark Knight. This is why the Joker had been taunting Batman to kill him several times in the film. when Batman took the blame for the murders conducted by Two-Face, the Joker, in a way, succeeded in this endeaver.
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Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
« Reply #42 on: October 29, 2010, 12:59:50 PM »
Harvey Dent is The White Knight
Batman is The Dark Knight

"Because he's the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight." <-- Quote from movie, not from wikipedia.
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Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
« Reply #43 on: October 29, 2010, 03:25:18 PM »
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« Reply #44 on: October 29, 2010, 03:27:46 PM »
Harvey Dent is The White Knight
Batman is The Dark Knight

"Because he's the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight." <-- Quote from movie, not from wikipedia.

Yes, but Harvey becomes a Dark Knight when he is transformed into Two-Face.
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Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
« Reply #45 on: October 29, 2010, 03:39:24 PM »
let if go Kytim. Two-Face became Two-Face when he transformed into Two-Face.

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Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
« Reply #46 on: October 29, 2010, 03:45:58 PM »
Kytim, you have some good thoughts there. But the one problem I see is that the term 'Dark Knight' is meant as an overall positive one. There is nothing positive about Two-Face.
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« Reply #47 on: October 29, 2010, 03:59:09 PM »
The whole film was about man's choice as to whether to remain good when the situation gets tough, or give into evil. In fact, the film was not so much about Batman or the Joker, but it was really about the origins of Two-Face. That is why the title is refering to Harvey Dent. The whole film centered around his slow decent into evil. It is easy to see that Nolan was giving subtle hints about the meaning of the White Knight(good) and the Dark Knight(evil). Batman knew all along that he was walking a thin line between good and evil and he saw Harvey Dent as the embodiment of good(an uncorruptable person). This is why he wanted to quit crime fighting and let Harvey take over in his place.
 
The third film must have Batman realize that he alone is the only person that can fight crime(no Robin :P: ).

Let's move onto other topics. Firefly will replace Scarecrow as a seconday villian.
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Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
« Reply #48 on: October 29, 2010, 04:03:50 PM »
Batman has been referred to as the Dark Knight at least since the mid 80s (was Frank Miller's book the first instance?), so there's no chance that it would be an implied title for Two-Face.  It would just be counter-intuitive to give someone else that moniker.

Besides, traditionally, being a knight implies that one is upholding a code, or a system of authority, or people under that authority...whatever that authority may be.   Both Batman and Dent represent people who uphold or enforce order.  Although they're using different methods, the goal is the same.  Both are still heroes, just heroes of a different stripe.
 
One of the themes of the movie is chaos vs. order, and the Joker's contention that systems and rules are inherently unjust...hence, his quote,  "the thing about chaos... its fair."    When Dent became Two-Face, he doesn't become the Dark Knight, he becomes an agent of chaos.   He uses chance to exact his revenge.   
 
Besides, what is inherent change in Batman's character.  He is tested and overcomes those tests.  Both he and Harvey Dent experience the same loss; while Dent falls, Batman stands.  He's the Dark Knight at the beginning of the movie, but it's not as if his methods/image changes by the end, despite the fact that his outside circumstances change.  What about this would implies that Batman becomes a White Knight?
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Re: Mindless Batman 3 Speculation Thread
« Reply #49 on: October 29, 2010, 05:06:52 PM »
What Sundoulos said.

I still think Firefly is a stupid villain (though if he got a Nolan treatment, he could be cool), but by virtue of the fact that Nolan is ruling out almost every other major Batman villain, he might be all we have left.
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