Topic: Mafia 84: RE: CV Neighbor Day 2- Wesker?!

[Khushrenada]

Here's where I'd defend Khush by saying he's too good of a player to make such an obvious move like  killing GK immediately after voting for him on day 1 for seemingly no reason, and this is way more likely the mafia trying to turn people against someone who they view as a threat to them, but then he voted for me so screw that, Vote Khushrenada.

Hahaha! I thought that might get you to finally cast a vote in this game. That said, you may want to rethink that vote if you are innocent because if I am eliminated (and there's a good chance of it at this point) then it will be revealed I am just a townie and you are going to look worse for not voting Day 1 and casting a late bandwagon vote on Day 2 against a townie.

[Khushrenada]

although this is also another one of those strange games where I feel like everyone is acting like Mafia.

I agree. And I love it. All mafia have been active since everyone left has participated in some way both days now. Despite that, everyone seems like a good suspect of being mafia. And it could be worse if Ashford is able to change someone to their side. Now, if they change a member of the opposing mafia then that could cause an implosion of the mafia but what if it is the detective or doctor who get swayed? Game may be about to get really messy. So, if I get eliminated early then at least I can say the rest of the townies were fools for getting rid of me so early instead of keeping me around to help.

[NWR_insanolord]

Here's where I'd defend Khush by saying he's too good of a player to make such an obvious move like  killing GK immediately after voting for him on day 1 for seemingly no reason, and this is way more likely the mafia trying to turn people against someone who they view as a threat to them, but then he voted for me so screw that, Vote Khushrenada.

Hahaha! I thought that might get you to finally cast a vote in this game. That said, you may want to rethink that vote if you are innocent because if I am eliminated (and there's a good chance of it at this point) then it will be revealed I am just a townie and you are going to look worse for not voting Day 1 and casting a late bandwagon vote on Day 2 against a townie.

I wouldn't call it a bandwagon vote since it's pretty close right now and that could very well be the deciding vote. Who would you suggest I vote for that would be less of a bandwagon beyond just saving your ass?

[Khushrenada]

Here's where I'd defend Khush by saying he's too good of a player to make such an obvious move like  killing GK immediately after voting for him on day 1 for seemingly no reason, and this is way more likely the mafia trying to turn people against someone who they view as a threat to them, but then he voted for me so screw that, Vote Khushrenada.

Hahaha! I thought that might get you to finally cast a vote in this game. That said, you may want to rethink that vote if you are innocent because if I am eliminated (and there's a good chance of it at this point) then it will be revealed I am just a townie and you are going to look worse for not voting Day 1 and casting a late bandwagon vote on Day 2 against a townie.

I wouldn't call it a bandwagon vote since it's pretty close right now and that could very well be the deciding vote. Who would you suggest I vote for that would be less of a bandwagon beyond just saving your ass?

Let me put it this way. You made no vote on Day 1 which is a crapshoot. I get that. But we are close to the end of day 2 and you only make a vote now as a retaliatory vote when you aren't even in danger. Now, if I am the person you most suspect of being mafia right now then fine. But why did you not vote for me earlier and only do so once I threw out a vote in your direction? And if I am not the person you most think to be mafia then who is? Even if that person hasn't had a vote yet or it is likely that anyone else will join you, why do nothing? At least throw out the vote to start the conversation.

[Khushrenada]

Well. stevey, I see you lurking here. The majority vote is 7 and I'm at 6. If you want an opportunity for some vedetta then here's you chance. You interested or should I join in the Mr. Bungle to save myself?

[nickmitch]

Khush, do you have suspicions other than Insano?  The vote could really be going either way with a (seemingly) random start followed by a quick pile on.  It's hard to think anyone bandwagoning is mafia, especially when there are so few mafios.

[Khushrenada]

Khush, do you have suspicions other than Insano?  The vote could really be going either way with a (seemingly) random start followed by a quick pile on.  It's hard to think anyone bandwagoning is mafia, especially when there are so few mafios.

Sure I do. I just posted earlier how I agree that so many people could possibly be mafia to me right now. You want a breakdown of it all? Have me list what I think of everyone so that everyone votes for me because I'll have then thrown shade on all the players? Because I'll do it if you ask. 

[pokepal148]

You know what, Khush is being even more shifty than usual.

I'm gonna vote Khushrenada and see where that takes us.

[Khushrenada]

You think I'm being shifty? How so? Insanolord won't even answer my questions. Heck, neither did ShyGuy.

[NWR_insanolord]

Here's where I'd defend Khush by saying he's too good of a player to make such an obvious move like  killing GK immediately after voting for him on day 1 for seemingly no reason, and this is way more likely the mafia trying to turn people against someone who they view as a threat to them, but then he voted for me so screw that, Vote Khushrenada.

Hahaha! I thought that might get you to finally cast a vote in this game. That said, you may want to rethink that vote if you are innocent because if I am eliminated (and there's a good chance of it at this point) then it will be revealed I am just a townie and you are going to look worse for not voting Day 1 and casting a late bandwagon vote on Day 2 against a townie.

I wouldn't call it a bandwagon vote since it's pretty close right now and that could very well be the deciding vote. Who would you suggest I vote for that would be less of a bandwagon beyond just saving your ass?

Let me put it this way. You made no vote on Day 1 which is a crapshoot. I get that. But we are close to the end of day 2 and you only make a vote now as a retaliatory vote when you aren't even in danger. Now, if I am the person you most suspect of being mafia right now then fine. But why did you not vote for me earlier and only do so once I threw out a vote in your direction? And if I am not the person you most think to be mafia then who is? Even if that person hasn't had a vote yet or it is likely that anyone else will join you, why do nothing? At least throw out the vote to start the conversation.

I voted for you because you voted for me. I don't really think you're mafia, like I said, you're too smart to hit GK the first night after voting for him unprompted, unless you're just doing that to make it seem that way. I don't really have anyone in mind who might be mafia, since it's been a pretty quiet game so far. I tend to be quiet in Mafia, you know that by now, I don't usually post just to hear myself post.

[nickmitch]

Khush, do you have suspicions other than Insano?  The vote could really be going either way with a (seemingly) random start followed by a quick pile on.  It's hard to think anyone bandwagoning is mafia, especially when there are so few mafios.

Sure I do. I just posted earlier how I agree that so many people could possibly be mafia to me right now. You want a breakdown of it all? Have me list what I think of everyone so that everyone votes for me because I'll have then thrown shade on all the players? Because I'll do it if you ask. 

1) You've done it before, might as well do it now
2) You're probably not gonna make it now
3) Y O L O

So, yes please.

[BeautifulShy]

So Leon S Kennedy contacted me and he has an encrypted message.  Here is what he said.

Of the two choices right now I find Mr. Bungle to be slightly more suspicious than Khushrenada.

[pokepal148]

Well that's an interesting turn of events. I'm still going to stick with Khush though.

[BeautifulShy]

Also that is the 7th vote on Khushrenada. So majority has been reached.  Now per the rules when majority is reached it has to stick for 1 hour so folks can talk about if you want to vote out Khushrenada or not within that hour.  You can change your votes or stick with them.  Khushrenadas head in in everyones hand if he lives or dies.

  The hour starts now as of this post.

[Khushrenada]

Well, I didn't want to make this the Khushrenada show but I guess that is what this day has become. I thought the early bandwagon for me would just blow over and that the lol would be enough to show that the Bungle theory was nonsense. In fact, some of the more veteran players who participated after basically pointed out that the vote seemed like a mafia set-up. At least some people in this game can recognize that a mafia hit generally isn't done by the same player who was campaigning to get that hit victim voted out that day.

Now, I did make a thing about GK on Day 1 but I did it for a reason. To put some focus on the new player. Too often, veteran players focus on another to their detriment. I didn't think GK would get voted out Day 1 (and I wasn't expecting the mafia to hit him at all). I just wanted him to get some attention and it was my hope that maybe the detective would investigate him early. I'm just a townie and an investigation on me would probably be a waste since the detective can't quite act on a townie result. Moreover, there's a good chance the mafia would eliminate me sooner than later. However, I guess I did too good a job since it obviously interested the mafia in hitting this player.

I'm giving Mr. Bungle the benefit of the doubt. I don't think he's mafia because that would be shortsighted to try and frame me on Day 2 and then have me revealed as a townie. Now Mr. Bungle looks bad and like he's trying to manipulate the townies. Makes him look suspicious going forward.

I was mainly curious about Bungle, Steefosaurus and Insanolord for this day. As I pointed out, none of them voted Day 1. Bungle voted early Day 2 and, again, it seems he did so because he was waiting for some kind of clue to try and cast an educated vote. I don't like it but I did find it interesting to see who was willing to join him in that vote. Steefosaurus made his vote and gave his reasons why. Insanolord stayed quiet until now. The Ashford mafia member needs to stay alive to keep recruiting to gain power before they can make a hit. Laying low would seem to be the strategy to take there in order to hopefully buy the time needed to win. If I were to choose the person I think most likely then it would be Insanolord which is why I voted for him. If I go down, maybe that vote will at least attract some attention his way. His inability to even list anyone else as a possible suspect suggests someone who is trying hard to not rock any boats or cause someone else to start targeting him. Maybe that is his normal style but how often does that style lead to a win? Like George in Seinfeld, maybe you should start doing the opposite of what you'd normally do. It might suddenly lead you to great success in this game.

[nickmitch]

Well, Khush, I think you're a townie.  Slightly more likely than Mr. Bungle, but it's an interesting move for a mafia to start a bandwagon on day 2.  However, as one of the strongest players, you were probably a good choice.  Maybe the next vengeance vote will be on him.

[Khushrenada]

Breakdown

Steefosaurus - If Insanolord is currently my prime suspect for Ashford then Steefosaurus is currently my second choice. His Day 1 breakdown was interesting in that it was focused about Ashford and how long it would take this player to possibly achieve some power. At the same time, he could be a townie just trying to do his best for the cause.

stevey - Ironically, stevey not voting for me is more suspicious than stevey voting for me. Lately, it seems that whenever stevey is a role like the killer or mafia then he won't vote against me in the day threads and will often instead vote with me if I reach out to him. I've begun to think that he's done this to try and keep me from targeting him or think he might be guilty by trying to appear like he's willing to work with me. So, his not jumping on the bandwagon today makes me think this is another case of him being mafia and trying to look innocent for my benefit by not voting against me.

pokepal148 - pokepal shifted his votes around on Day 1 without much reasoning as to why. He did contact me early on Day 2 because he felt Bungle was giving him bad vibes from the vote he made against me today. Even though he's changed his vote to me, he's still just reached out to see if there's a reason why he should keep me in the game. Right now, my suspicion of pokepal is low.

Mr. Bungle - As mentioned in my previous post, I think he's just a misguided townie because to be mafia and try to frame me now would be short-sighted especially since he'd know I was innocent if he was mafia. That's why I have tried to resist in joining the bandwagon against him but everyone just seems unwilling to target anyone besides the two of us today.

Insanolord - Already mentioned that he seems highly suspicious and a good choice to be Ashford.

ThePerm - ThePerm asked people to message him on day 1 if they were a townie. I did and he never replied. He did vote with me against GK but then he decided to vote for me today. Not sure why and his reason really wasn't that great. Maybe he made the hit on GK and saw this bandwagon as a chance to further things along by voting me out and then blaming Bungle in the future. Of course, it is speculation but we are still in speculative stages right now. 50/50 for ThePerm and my suspicions of whether he is innocent or not.

TOPHATANT123 - I still don't know what to think of TOPHATANT123. He threw out a vote for Luigi Dude on his own. Unlike GK and Insanolord, Luigi Dude didn't retaliate with a vote against him. Still, they probably aren't mafia together since it seems unlikely a mafia member would make another mafia member a target into Day 1 when that member had no suspicion currently in the day. He was quick to join in the Khush bandwagon today which I did not like. Still, the fact that he was willing to throw out an independent vote on Day 1 for someone keeps me from wanting to target him today.

Luigi Dude - Voted for Stratos on Day 1 but that can be seen as self-preservation. Not facing self-preservation today, he made the 5th vote in the Khushrenada bandwagon. Why? Right now, I put him in the more likely mafia side because I do not currently like his Day 2 play and there's not much that he's done to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Nickmitch - Always quick to cast suspicion on me each game. Not a fan of that. But, I do like that he's casted votes each day unlike past games where he's laid low and waited days to vote. Moreover, he rejected both major options for Day 2 for his choice. Is it because he someone knows neither of us are mafia or because he can see that both reasons for this vote are flimsy? Casting votes ThePerm and TOPHATANT123 would suggest he probably isn't Ashford since he's clearly not worried about getting some heat by making his own choices in votes. Erring on the side of innocent.

[Khushrenada]

I'll finish the others in a moment but wanted to post what I've done so far because I think it really shows I'm not mafia. How many other players are going to post a breakdown of everyone in the game? And you really think a mafia member is going to do that? This alone should probably prove I'm a townie.

[nickmitch]

Nickmitch - Always quick to cast suspicion on me each game. Not a fan of that. But, I do like that he's casted votes each day unlike past games where he's laid low and waited days to vote. Moreover, he rejected both major options for Day 2 for his choice. Is it because he someone knows neither of us are mafia or because he can see that both reasons for this vote are flimsy? Casting votes ThePerm and TOPHATANT123 would suggest he probably isn't Ashford since he's clearly not worried about getting some heat by making his own choices in votes. Erring on the side of innocent.

LOL! Yeah, I do that.

[nickmitch]

I'll finish the others in a moment but wanted to post what I've done so far because I think it really shows I'm not mafia. How many other players are going to post a breakdown of everyone in the game? And you really think a mafia member is going to do that? This alone should probably prove I'm a townie.

This is true.  It's a very high-risk maneuver from the mafia role because you have to project innocence on your team members while making a valid case for things you know aren't true and may lack evidence for.  Shaky analysis can get you killed.

[pokepal148]

But ThePerm didn't respond to my PM either which seems pretty odd.

Interesting theory: ThePerm is Ashford. He attempted to get people who claimed to be townies to PM him so he can decide who to use his indoctrination thing on. Either he is targeting players who contacted him, assuming they're lying, or he is assuming they're telling the truth and targeting players who do not draw attention to themselves that way.

It's not much, but I like it a hell of a lot better than the two current bandwagons. vote thePerm

[nickmitch]

That eliminates the majority, right?  Meaning the rest of the day goes on?

[BeautifulShy]

You know what, Khush is being even more shifty than usual.

I'm gonna vote Khushrenada and see where that takes us.

And with this unvote majority has been broken.   

With 8 minutes to spare.   Day will go on as usual until 8am AZ time.

If Khushrenada gets back up to 7 votes then majority will happen again.

So everyone has time to change votes if you wish or just let the votes stay on Khushrenada with 6 votes and at that day end time the leading vote getter will be voted out.

[Khushrenada]

ShyGuy - ShyGuy has only voted for me. He's made no other other posts other than that. I'm not sure if anyone else has had any communication with him. He did not respond at all with any reason why he's voted for me even though I've asked about it a couple times today. I don't know if this has something to do with the last game but it makes no sense if it does. I didn't vote him out on Day 2 and basically tried to save him by starting the other bandwagon against lolmonade. Plus, I was then eliminated also on Day 2 and was on the townie side. Therefore, if this is some kind of vendetta then it makes no sense since I was probably the most innocent in his loss last game and even went down myself after trying to save him. I wonder what he's going to do if I am eliminated. Will we finally see some actual gameplay from him this game? Usually, I give him the benefit of the doubt since he so often comes across as mafia when he is innocent (which is what happened last game) but I'm seriously starting to regret not targeting him at this point. Detective may want to check him out at this point. Could have hit GK to try and create a frame-up since he seems focused on me right now and only me for no reason yet explained.

Khushrenada - So innocent. Would follow the lead of this guy and vote along with him. If I was the doctor, I'd totally protect him.

Lolmonade - Sorry lolmonade but sometimes I forget you play this game. That's why I started votes for you on Day 2 the last couple games. I wanted attention on you so that you couldn't hide and maybe the detective might look into you. I was right two games ago and wrong last game so I held off on targeting you today. Currently, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. The vote on Stratos was a bandwagon vote but you gave reasons why you joined that bandwagon and didn't vote for other players already with votes. However, nothing from lolmonade which I don't like. Like Luigi Dude, lolmonade is starting to accumulate a shaky voting record. I'm going 75% innocent and 25% suspicious but I may be giving too much benefit of the doubt now after last game.

Mop it up - I was curious to see what my vote for her today would do. It ended up being pointless but she was the first to point out the obvious in that the hit against GK seems illogical if I'm the godfather or mafia. She was willing to target Bungle instead for what seemed a more likely mafia spin on the past day's events. She threw some heat on lolmonade in Day 1 so she's paying attention to everyone. Right now, I'd put her as one of the good guys but I also had her as a townie last game and completely got that wrong. Mop it up has always been a hard read and that's why I keep telling her she's a great player because of how well she can fool us all even after all this time.

[Khushrenada]

But ThePerm didn't respond to my PM either which seems pretty odd.

Interesting theory: ThePerm is Ashford. He attempted to get people who claimed to be townies to PM him so he can decide who to use his indoctrination thing on. Either he is targeting players who contacted him, assuming they're lying, or he is assuming they're telling the truth and targeting players who do not draw attention to themselves that way.

It's not much, but I like it a hell of a lot better than the two current bandwagons. vote thePerm

It's an interesting theory but do you think it is a better theory to act on than laying low like Insanolord?