Topic: Nine Things Nintendo Needs To Do With Wii 2

[Luigi Dude]

I agree that the next system needs to be as powerful as possible so third parties can port whatever, but how strong do people think the next PS/XBox consoles are going to be? I'm actually pretty curious, as I don't know much about modern computer technology. I'm assuming by 2015 they'll be able to put boxes out that are multiple times as powerful as the the current gen, but I don't know if it will be a great boon to the industry. The economics of game development are already pretty screwy from the HD graphics paradigm, with single failures closing studios due to all the extra work that's now required. Are game companies going to want to have to put in the effort to program something that looks like a Pixar movie? It could get really unhealthy if the industry relies on 5 tentpole games a year like the movie studious do.

Yeah people are really overrating how strong Microsoft and Sony's next system is going to be, especially Microsoft.  The shareholders of Microsoft have made it clear that they're not happy the gaming division is still billions of dollars in the hole and they need to be more profitable.  Because of this, the gaming division is not going to be allowed to release a system as powerful for it's time as the 360 was, because all that power made them lose billions at launch, and also cost them another billion later on to fix the red ring of death problem that was a direct result of them rushing out something that powerful too soon.  So any new system Microsoft releases isn't going to be that much of a gap over the Cafe which should give Nintendo a PS2 like presence where they're the weakest, but still strong enough to get easy ports from Microsoft's new system.

Now Sony might since the NGP shows Sony still has no problem losing billions in order to be more powerful, but if Sony is the only company with an extremely more powerful system, that's not going to help them much.  Since Sony's the company in last place, they don't have much power over third parties anymore like they did before the PS3 launch thanks to the PS2's dominance.  If Sony's going to be the only company releasing a console that's a huge gap over the competition that ends up costing a lot more to develop for then they're screwed.  If third parties can continue making games for cheaper prices on Microsoft and Nintendo's next system, they're going to just support them and ignore Sony since the Playstation name doesn't mean much anymore and isn't going to be worth giving exclusive support just because it's way more powerful.

[ShyGuy]

From their past history, Nintendo can ignore everything except the Nintendo touch and still be profitable with millions of satisfied customers.

[Ceric]

My honest opinion about this article is that, not reading any of the author other publications,  I don't know if the author really does much with a Wii or DS.  Which is ok and understandable.  Just their is nothing here that I go, "Hey I didn't think of that like this."  This is the checklist that almost everyone on this particular forum would give Nintendo with the Note "I expect this or a pretty darn good explanation why what you have is better or why I'm not getting this."  I could probably dig back and find a post for the Revolution that is the same list.
 

From their past history, Nintendo can ignore everything except the Nintendo touch and still be profitable with millions of satisfied customers.

Ah the GameCube.

[Luigi Dude]

Ah the GameCube.

The Gamecube still sold over 20 million systems worldwide and most of Nintendo's own games were million sellers.  It was only in the Gamecubes final years that it stopped making money, but from 2001-2004 it was still a pretty profitable system for Nintendo.

[Ceric]

Ah the GameCube.

The Gamecube still sold over 20 million systems worldwide and most of Nintendo's own games were million sellers.  It was only in the Gamecubes final years that it stopped making money, but from 2001-2004 it was still a pretty profitable system for Nintendo.

Which makes it the perfect example.

[Ian Sane]

What I ultimately wish to see if for Nintendo to change everything that sucks about themselves and keep the good stuff.  What makes Nintendo great has to remain.  Nintendo is unfortunately known for being luddites and being stubborn and for jerking everyone around.  But those are not really what I would consider to be part of what makes Nintendo Nintendo.  Their legacy isn't built on those negatives.  What makes Nintendo great is their commitment to quality and creativity.  That's what made me a fan in the first place and they can change everything else about themselves provided that those two characteristics remain.

Though I personally find that the Wii cut corners big time on both of those which is why I found it disappointing.  The quality dipped.  They didn't mind releasing half-baked titles like Wii Music and had no issues with having wonky and unresponsive controls is nearly all of their games.  The controller thing I found the most offensive.  The Nintendo I became a fan of was known for having tight responsive controls and would not settle for less.  The marketing gimmick took priority.  To me that was anti-Nintendo and a betrayal of what they are all about.  They also have become considerably more cookie cutter and sequel dependent with each generation.  It was mentioned in the article and I consider it a major problem.

I want Nintendo to be successful and to make a great console while still being Nintendo.  They can be Nintendo while having good third party support and targetting other demographics beyond kids and casuals and having decent hardware and graphics and providing options.  The important thing is that they make the best damn games around while pushing the industry forward with new ideas.

[ShyGuy]

Why can't you just love me for who I am DAD?

[NWR_insanolord]

If I had admin powers like Crimm ShyGuy would have a ridiculously high score. I don't know why the mods pick on him like they do; he's consistently one of the best and funniest posters we have.

[Ceric]

Why can't you just love me for who I am DAD?

It's the Propeller Son.  IF you were more HD then we could talk.

[Mop it up]

1. Nintendo aren't going to sell the system at a loss, but considering the amount of money they have now I think they will sell it at or near cost. The profit margin on the Wii was huge, so I think at this point they can pack their next system with some good tech without breaking the bank. If the system is successful and continues selling well, then they won't need to cut the price for a while, so they''ll start making a profit as the cost of manufacturing goes down, not to mention the huge piles of cash they can make on game sales if they put out compelling software.

2. Nintendo have had an interest in online gaming since the SNES, so I think they'll have a competent and robust online system this time around. They have just been waiting for online to become profitable and affordable, which it now is.

3. I don't think Nintendo cares much about data storage since it doesn't really suit their own needs. I'm guessing the system will have a bit of internal flash memory (the rumoured 8GB) for firmware updates and game saves, and be expandable with a hard disk, and maybe even support other types of storage like SD and USB sticks. But it won't include anything of the such in the system package.

4. This one is their biggest hurdle. Third-parties don't like Nintendo, and for good reason. They may try to appeal to them a bit more than they have, but they'll always serve their own needs first. And that's what they should do. But at least if the system happens to be in line with what some third-parties want, we may not be without many third-party games this time around.

5. I'm not sure about this one. They might have the money to open/buy new game studios, but it's difficult to find the talent.

6. I'm not sure I agree with this one. Peripherals are usually best served with a handfull of games rather than trying to use it with all future software; does anyone want to control Link with a Balance Board? I say, create less peripherals and make a standard controller that's capable of almost anything. The Wii Remote and Nunchuk come close, they just need some tweaking and more advanced tech and then they'll be extremely versatile.

7. This point is factually incorrect. Nintendo have published several new IPs over the past decade (and the Wii Series and Nintendogs count regardless of to whom they appeal), it's just that most of them haven't received the budget and marketing of Nintendo's established franchises and consequently don't sell nearly as well. Of course, the market is partially to blame for this since sequels currently sell better than anything, so Nintendo is not entirely responsible for it.

8. Nintendo seems to have a better launch for home systems than portables, so I think we'll see something on the level of Super Mario 64 and Wii Sports for this system.

9. This point clashes with courting third-parties. As both a hardware and software designer, Nintendo are going to design their systems with their own needs in mind. Sometimes this matches up with what third-parties want (SNES), and sometimes it doesn't (Wii). But if you want them to continue doing what they do best, sacrifices must be made somewhere.

[Kytim89]

1. Nintendo aren't going to sell the system at a loss, but considering the amount of money they have now I think they will sell it at or near cost. The profit margin on the Wii was huge, so I think at this point they can pack their next system with some good tech without breaking the bank. If the system is successful and continues selling well, then they won't need to cut the price for a while, so they''ll start making a profit as the cost of manufacturing goes down, not to mention the huge piles of cash they can make on game sales if they put out compelling software.

2. Nintendo have had an interest in online gaming since the SNES, so I think they'll have a competent and robust online system this time around. They have just been waiting for online to become profitable and affordable, which it now is.

3. I don't think Nintendo cares much about data storage since it doesn't really suit their own needs. I'm guessing the system will have a bit of internal flash memory (the rumoured 8GB) for firmware updates and game saves, and be expandable with a hard disk, and maybe even support other types of storage like SD and USB sticks. But it won't include anything of the such in the system package.

4. This one is their biggest hurdle. Third-parties don't like Nintendo, and for good reason. They may try to appeal to them a bit more than they have, but they'll always serve their own needs first. And that's what they should do. But at least if the system happens to be in line with what some third-parties want, we may not be without many third-party games this time around.

5. I'm not sure about this one. They might have the money to open/buy new game studios, but it's difficult to find the talent.

6. I'm not sure I agree with this one. Peripherals are usually best served with a handfull of games rather than trying to use it with all future software; does anyone want to control Link with a Balance Board? I say, create less peripherals and make a standard controller that's capable of almost anything. The Wii Remote and Nunchuk come close, they just need some tweaking and more advanced tech and then they'll be extremely versatile.

7. This point is factually incorrect. Nintendo have published several new IPs over the past decade (and the Wii Series and Nintendogs count regardless of to whom they appeal), it's just that most of them haven't received the budget and marketing of Nintendo's established franchises and consequently don't sell nearly as well. Of course, the market is partially to blame for this since sequels currently sell better than anything, so Nintendo is not entirely responsible for it.

8. Nintendo seems to have a better launch for home systems than portables, so I think we'll see something on the level of Super Mario 64 and Wii Sports for this system.

9. This point clashes with courting third-parties. As both a hardware and software designer, Nintendo are going to design their systems with their own needs in mind. Sometimes this matches up with what third-parties want (SNES), and sometimes it doesn't (Wii). But if you want them to continue doing what they do best, sacrifices must be made somewhere.

Adequate storage, robust online and HD graphics is all Nintendo really needs to attract third parties to their system.

[Chozo Ghost]

You quoted that entire huge post just to say that?

[Urkel]

1. MAKE IT HARDCORE!!!
comon nintenado WE hardcore gamers got you where you are. stop makeing games for grandmas their old and going too die soon anyway so they wont be your costumers for long.
 
2. DONT GIVe IT A GAY NAME!
wii??? serioslyu??? none of my hardcore gamer friends would buy a wii beacuase its so GAY. i bet if it was called the revolution they wouldve baught on. cafe is preety gay too but not as gay as wii but still i hope you give it a cool name like the nintendo sidewinder or nintendo giygas. whech brings me to mhy next point.
 
3. MAKE MOTHER 4 A LUNCH TITLE!
there are millilions of gamers clammering for a new mother game. I KNOW U LIKE MONEY NITENDO MAKE IT HAPPEN. shigeru itoi-sama wants to make another game but you wont let him beccase youre too busy making Wii Knit and Wii Bake and Wii ****.
 
4. KILL CAMMY!!
shes so annoyying i cant stand her. i leterraly throw up when she acts so cheerful. she reminds me of my mom telling me to do my homework or im grounded again it so unfair.
 
5. MAKE MATURE GAMES!
look nintendo i like youre games but sometimes i feel like im play ing a fisher price toy. alot of your fans grew up so  grow up with them. it would be cool if i could do stuff in animal crossing that wasnt lame kiddy stuff like selling weed and killing tom nook and then i could take his stoer. or how about zelda with blood. uh HEY NINTENDO LINK HAS A SWORD AND LAST TIME I CHECK SWORDS CUT MONSTERS AND MAKE THEM BLEED.
 
6. BUY ROCKSTAR GAMES!
thiss ones a no brainer i think you now why
 
7. DONT CHANGE TO CONTROLLER
and im not alking about this wiimote **** you should just take that out back and shoot it. stop trying to be "innovatave" with youre contallers its so confusing oh my god! i dont want to learn how to play games over agian and you cant improve on perfection like the SIXAXIS. besides sony and microsoft will just steal your idea so why bother?
 
8. DONT MAKE IT GIMMICKY!
im so tired of your gimmicks. newsflash NOBODY CARES ABOUT MOTION COTNROLS ANYMORE. i hate having gimicks shoved down my throat just make good games. all the good video game ideas have already been invented so stop trying to be different and be like sony. they never innoveate and thats why everyboyd loves sony.
 
9. DONT MAKE IT SUCK!
this one should be obvious but this is nintendo were talking about hear so who knows. the gamecube sucked the wii really really really realy relaly really sucked and nintendo is promsing the cafe wont suck but ill believeit when i see it. please nintendo if you follow my advise then your next system wont suck.

[lolmonade]

Though I personally find that the Wii cut corners big time on both of those which is why I found it disappointing.  The quality dipped.  They didn't mind releasing half-baked titles like Wii Music and had no issues with having wonky and unresponsive controls is nearly all of their games.  The controller thing I found the most offensive.  The Nintendo I became a fan of was known for having tight responsive controls and would not settle for less.  The marketing gimmick took priority.  To me that was anti-Nintendo and a betrayal of what they are all about.  They also have become considerably more cookie cutter and sequel dependent with each generation.  It was mentioned in the article and I consider it a major problem.

*Ahem*








I know, I know...I'm nitpicking, but there have always been failed experiments or games that don't provide a $50 worthy experience in the past console generations too.  I believe they are by far the exception, not the rule.

[Kytim89]

You quoted that entire huge post just to say that?

Chozo, I just spent eight long hours in a courthouse (PM for the reason) and it has been a long day, so just bare with me. I use my writing on this here forum as a means of stress relief and therefore I am prone to writing all kinds of wierd **** just to have something to say to everyone. 

[RABicle]

Guys as long as Nintendo keep making money they don't care about courting the hardcore crowd. They're a corporation and WiiHD will have every inch designed to increase profits.

[NWR_insanolord]

Iwata makes sure that every inch is designed to increase profits, if you know what I mean.

[Ceric]

For the sake of of honesty Mario Clash for VB took Mario back to his older Arcade game roots. (Excellent game though, Wouldn't mind seeing one on XWare)