Author Topic: Bill's and Mine Dreams coming true? ToS sequel for Wii!?!?... (Read 15989 times)

MysticGohan · « **on:** July 07, 2007, 02:11:43 AM »

Yes! Apparently there's gonna be a sequel for Wii, Scheduled for a late 2008 Launch. If words by Matt Cassamina are to be believed. http://gonintendo.com/

Nemo · « **Reply #1 on:** July 07, 2007, 03:22:16 AM »

Good. I enjoyed Tales of Symphonia. I'd buy a sequel.

Arbok · « **Reply #2 on:** July 07, 2007, 04:23:46 AM »

I'd snatch it up in an instant if it's true.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #3 on:** July 07, 2007, 05:55:19 AM »

He also said it would use the same engine as the gamecube game so nothing special.

Kairon · « **Reply #4 on:** July 07, 2007, 07:41:19 AM »

Ugh. I hated the first. I... I... I guess I'll buy the second...

Maverick · « **Reply #5 on:** July 07, 2007, 08:00:28 AM »

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Originally posted by: Kairon
Ugh. I hated the first. I... I... I guess I'll buy the second...

*HEAD EXPLODES*

nickmitch · « **Reply #6 on:** July 07, 2007, 08:00:56 AM »

How could hate ToS?? If I threw that game in a blender it would come out as pure liquid awesome. Do you hate awesomeness, too?

Mashiro · « **Reply #7 on:** July 07, 2007, 09:00:24 AM »

Only thing I didn't like about ToS . . . was the american VA's. God why is it so hard to include an option for Japanese VA's?

I hated having the main character remind me of Robin from Teen Titans the entire time . . . (yeah I know you can turn off the voices but it takes away from the game).

KDR_11k · « **Reply #8 on:** July 07, 2007, 09:01:54 AM »

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Originally posted by: TVman
How could hate ToS?? If I threw that game in a blender it would come out as pure liquid awesome. Do you hate awesomeness, too?

Obviously Kairon is the gaming equivalent of a masochist.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #9 on:** July 07, 2007, 09:24:49 AM »

Why must you do this to yourself Kairon, why?

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #10 on:** July 07, 2007, 10:16:49 AM »

Fighting engine was awesome, story was painfully cliché.

That said, I'd probably buy another if it had the same engine, sure, but I'd hope for more improvements to multiplayer support rather than just tacking it on.

Chiller · « **Reply #11 on:** July 07, 2007, 10:27:24 AM »

The story did seem like it tried to hard to include every cliché, and plot twist that it could. Also, the overworld was a little less than impressive. However, it was still a very solid game, and garnered multiple plays from me. I never tried the multi-player option, so I cannot comment on that.

Crimm · « **Reply #12 on:** July 07, 2007, 02:33:53 PM »

I will buy this.

Infernal Monkey · « **Reply #13 on:** July 07, 2007, 04:31:21 PM »

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Originally posted by: Mashiro
Only thing I didn't like about ToS . . . was the american VA's. God why is it so hard to include an option for Japanese VA's?

Probably very hard considering the GC's disc size. =)

Mashiro · « **Reply #14 on:** July 07, 2007, 04:33:38 PM »

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Originally posted by: Infernal Monkey
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Originally posted by: Mashiro
Only thing I didn't like about ToS . . . was the american VA's. God why is it so hard to include an option for Japanese VA's?

Probably very hard considering the GC's disc size. =)

. . . touche lol.

No excuse if a sequel comes out on Wii though! =P

Ceric · « **Reply #15 on:** July 07, 2007, 05:56:33 PM »

I'm sorry ToS was not pure awesomeness. Don't get me wrong. I enjoyed the game. I'm just still sort of peeved that I couldn't get into that door in the Mines and couldn't get the chest open with the uber weapons.

Crimm · « **Reply #16 on:** July 07, 2007, 05:57:01 PM »

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Originally posted by: Infernal Monkey
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Originally posted by: Mashiro
Only thing I didn't like about ToS . . . was the american VA's. God why is it so hard to include an option for Japanese VA's?

Probably very hard considering the GC's disc size. =)

2 Disks.
Plenty of space.

The Traveller · « **Reply #17 on:** July 07, 2007, 06:45:29 PM »

Wasnt Tales of Phantasia the 'Sequel' to TOS..

KDR_11k · « **Reply #18 on:** July 07, 2007, 07:44:36 PM »

I don't think those are related, they have some similarity in the names of the world and obviously the clichees of jRPGs but it seems more FF-esque to me in that the names are more of a series standard than actually referring to the same places.

Mashiro · « **Reply #19 on:** July 07, 2007, 08:06:46 PM »

Well according to this: Links to Tales of Phantasia it would seem that the game indeed takes place in the same universe and has many elements of continuity connecting the two games.

Kairon · « **Reply #20 on:** July 07, 2007, 10:01:44 PM »

Horribly cliche voice acting + horribly cliche story + gameplay that gave me no incentive to master it...

GIVE ME A GOOD RPG I SWEAR I WAS AN RPGAMER BEFORE I WAS A NINTENDO GAMER ARGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!! AND STOP TRYING TO BE INTERACTIVE ANIMES!!!!

Mashiro · « **Reply #21 on:** July 07, 2007, 10:11:04 PM »

You know what RPG really deserves a sequel? Skies of Arcadia.

Kairon · « **Reply #22 on:** July 07, 2007, 10:15:28 PM »

That was good for awhile, but I eventually got bored of SoA too and never progressed any further once I got my secret base...

UniversalJuan · « **Reply #23 on:** July 08, 2007, 02:49:51 AM »

Why does it just get to be you two's dreams?! Damnit I *LOVE* Tales. My yearly palythrough is coming up (For that matter, so is my Skies playthrough). I would love it for this to be true. Perhaps it will be a game that takes place between Symphonia and Phantasia or be a complete and utter hot remake of Phantasia (Go ahead and hate ports/remakes all you want, this is one that would STILL be new for a lot of people, regardless of its GBA release)

KDR_11k · « **Reply #24 on:** July 08, 2007, 03:24:39 AM »

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Originally posted by: Mashiro
You know what RPG really deserves a sequel? Skies of Arcadia.

Naw, SoA was generic and only interesting because the GC had nothing else. Now, a proper sequel to GRANDIA, that'd be something worth talking about.

Mashiro · « **Reply #25 on:** July 08, 2007, 08:09:42 AM »

I dunno . . . I never had an RPG where I fought other pirates . . . in the air . . . on flying ships. =P

Kairon · « **Reply #26 on:** July 08, 2007, 10:03:00 AM »

Except that's the problem. You weren't. It was all a facade.

Mashiro · « **Reply #27 on:** July 08, 2007, 10:05:43 AM »

My whole life has been a lie!

Artisto16 · « **Reply #28 on:** July 08, 2007, 01:22:01 PM »

I can't wait for another sequal to ToS. I hope that they improve the graphics (overhaul of the overworld's graphics), add new attacks (and maybe some characters), and include EVERY possible RPG cliche' imaginable (although well blended together) in tribute to the 1st game.

Kairon · « **Reply #29 on:** July 08, 2007, 01:57:10 PM »

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Originally posted by: Artisto16
I can't wait for another sequal to ToS. I hope that they improve the graphics (overhaul of the overworld's graphics), add new attacks (and maybe some characters), and include EVERY possible RPG cliche' imaginable (although well blended together) in tribute to the 1st game.

You're like me. Except evil.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #30 on:** July 08, 2007, 04:47:27 PM »

Mmmmmmmm, yes please...And throw in an updated port of Tales of the Abyss, too, Namco!

KDR_11k · « **Reply #31 on:** July 08, 2007, 09:46:00 PM »

I think the sequel won't use the same characters.

MysticGohan · « **Reply #32 on:** July 09, 2007, 05:18:27 AM »

Ya never know

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #33 on:** July 09, 2007, 10:27:11 AM »

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Originally posted by: Kairon
Horribly cliche voice acting + horribly cliche story + gameplay that gave me no incentive to master it...

GIVE ME A GOOD RPG I SWEAR I WAS AN RPGAMER BEFORE I WAS A NINTENDO GAMER ARGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!! AND STOP TRYING TO BE INTERACTIVE ANIMES!!!!

Oh please, if the game's story bosses were replaced with the hidden bosses, the average player would need levels in the upper 80s to comfortably succeed without relying on cheey item tricks. People would probably complain if the bosses were that tough, that EARLY. Of course your non-learning, Lloyd-centric, non-exploring method of play is too boring to even hear of such secret battles. What kind of "RPG player" are you without bothering to seek out such simple secrets? "Hidden bosses" should've been enticing enough, which of course lead to hidden rewards/treasures, but more importantly, they help you realize how weak your Mithos-busting lvl. 62 Lloyd really is.

Edit: To clarify, SKILL potentially improves the game experience by saving you 5 to 15 levels worth of leveling up required to comfortably beat the next boss in line. That's a significant number of hours of level grinding saved, and increases your upfront challenge since you're battling with somewhat underpowered characters.

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ToS multiplayer is effective for only 2 melee players. The camera unfortunately only follows Player 1, and does not zoom out to show every player. Magick users who sit back and cast have slightly less issues. But the fun is in chaining melee combos on bosses with tons of HP.

If you're wondering, I HAVE been playing recently, setting up for the Team Colosseum Exhibition match.

that Baby guy · « **Reply #34 on:** July 09, 2007, 10:34:35 AM »

Actually, the multiplayer is great if player one offers to be a mage player. If his goal is to get as far away from the enemies as possible, then he can effectively show everyone else what's going on. Of course, this role is a little boring, though.

Kairon · « **Reply #35 on:** July 09, 2007, 10:41:31 AM »

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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Oh please, if the game's story bosses were replaced with the hidden bosses, the average player would need levels in the upper 80s to comfortably succeed without relying on cheey item tricks. People would probably complain if the bosses were that tough, that EARLY. Of course your non-learning, Lloyd-centric, non-exploring method of play is too boring to even hear of such secret battles. What kind of "RPG player" are you without bothering to seek out such simple secrets? "Hidden bosses" should've been enticing enough, which of course lead to hidden rewards/treasures, but more importantly, they help you realize how weak your Mithos-busting lvl. 62 Lloyd really is.

Edit: To clarify, SKILL potentially improves the game experience by saving you 5 to 15 levels worth of leveling up required to comfortably beat the next boss in line. That's a significant number of hours of level grinding saved, and increases your upfront challenge since you're battling with somewhat underpowered characters.

The game did NOTHING to breadcrumb those experiences for me. It's like the difference between Everquest and WoW. I didn't even know those experiences existed. The only one I became aware of, ever, was some big 4-armed skeleton I couldn't beat... and that I had NO INCENTIVE to beat.

You may like it, but you've just described a niche, extremely hardcore way of assessing the game. That's okay... some people like Rogue-likes. Not me.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #36 on:** July 09, 2007, 09:12:19 PM »

I have this talent to miss every secret there is in an RPG. Never met any hidden bosses, didn't find anything that could cause a different ending, didn't even know other costumes existed until reading it on the forums, etc.

I did try controlling other characters but found their combo potential to be less than Lloyd's so I found myself going back to Lloyd most of the time because the other characters suffered less from being under AI control.

Artisto16 · « **Reply #37 on:** July 10, 2007, 08:31:43 AM »

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
I think the sequel won't use the same characters.

Then it wouldn't be a Tales of Symphonia 2. They would have to name it something else, like Tales of Demonica, Tales of Hysteria, Tales of Tales, or Tales of Something Relevant. A sequal would have to keep it in the same realm or at least use the same characters.

Use Final Fantasy X2 as the example (although many hated that game compared to X).

Athrun Zala · « **Reply #38 on:** July 10, 2007, 06:14:27 PM »

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
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Originally posted by: Mashiro
You know what RPG really deserves a sequel? Skies of Arcadia.

Naw, SoA was generic and only interesting because the GC had nothing else. Now, a proper sequel to GRANDIA, that'd be something worth talking about.

SoA was all kinds of AWESOME and NEEDS a sequel NOW...

If you mean a sequel to Grandia 1, then yes. If you are refering to II, Xtreme, or III, then Oh God, please no...

KDR_11k · « **Reply #39 on:** July 11, 2007, 07:14:15 AM »

Aristo: What if the main character was the daughter of, say, Lloyd and Collette?

Athrun: Never played 1, only 2 and I want a proper sequel for 2. With more difficulty please because I beat 2 without seeing the Game Over screen ONCE.

Mashiro · « **Reply #40 on:** July 11, 2007, 07:51:36 AM »

Grandia II...ah good old DC games.

I liked Grandia II but the story plot changed on a dime and was kinda...weird. But I liked it.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #41 on:** July 11, 2007, 08:25:10 AM »

It was too predictable story wise but the way the gameplay worked made it a fun game overall.

Artisto16 · « **Reply #42 on:** July 11, 2007, 08:29:36 AM »

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Aristo: What if the main character was the daughter of, say, Lloyd and Collette?

That's fine. She would be in the same world, so that consistency would still be there.

WuTangTurtle · « **Reply #43 on:** July 12, 2007, 04:49:50 PM »

As long as Presea is in this sequel I'm sold

capamerica · « **Reply #44 on:** July 19, 2007, 09:06:22 PM »

hehe, I actually made this back in early 2004. =P
Originally for the GameCube, But I updated it for the Wii.

Kairon · « **Reply #45 on:** July 19, 2007, 09:08:29 PM »

There's a scan out there that confrims this...

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #46 on:** July 19, 2007, 11:01:57 PM »

Tales of Symphonia: Ratatosuku no Kishi

Or for those who don't read Moon language, Knights of Ratatosk...

KDR_11k · « **Reply #47 on:** July 19, 2007, 11:55:30 PM »

That dude looks like the main character from FF9-12. Could be Mithos, maybe we'll get to play his story this time...

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #48 on:** July 20, 2007, 12:14:32 AM »

The pink text basically says "What happens after TOS," so I was thinking more along the lines of Lloyd's and Colette's kid... =)

(Edit: IGN says the game takes place 2 years after, so I guess not!)

Artimus · « **Reply #49 on:** July 20, 2007, 02:19:21 AM »

Wii continues to rule.

Mashiro · « **Reply #50 on:** July 20, 2007, 02:53:17 AM »

Awesome news! More RPGs are always welcome.

nitsu niflheim · « **Reply #51 on:** July 20, 2007, 03:19:06 AM »

Of all the Tales of games I have played, I'd have to say that Symphonia was and still is my stand out favorite. So this is very welcoming news. LOL at PSP port though, DS, Wii, ad PS2 get new games or new sequels, while poopr PSP gets a port.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #52 on:** July 20, 2007, 03:53:38 AM »

PS2 gets the port, PSP gets the new game...

Ceric · « **Reply #53 on:** July 20, 2007, 04:04:29 AM »

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hehe, I actually made this back in early 2004. =P
Originally for the GameCube, But I updated it for the Wii.

Tales of Symphonia 2: Secret Desires ?

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #54 on:** July 20, 2007, 04:28:03 AM »

Nice character designs!

Mashiro · « **Reply #55 on:** July 20, 2007, 04:40:03 AM »

I wanna say the Male charcters hair reminds me of someone else hair in a FF game . . . maybe Tactics Advance?

Edit: Yep, I thought I recognized that hair style!

Ceric · « **Reply #56 on:** July 20, 2007, 04:59:46 AM »

More Kingdom of Hearts to me.

Mashiro · « **Reply #57 on:** July 20, 2007, 05:01:05 AM »

Yeah but it doesn't have the hair standing up =D

MysticGohan · « **Reply #58 on:** July 20, 2007, 05:16:01 AM »

Yay! I wonder if we'll see Loyd and crew? and what of Loyd's Father?

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #59 on:** July 20, 2007, 05:26:31 AM »

I think it'd be pretty pointless to do a sequel to Symphonia based only two years in the future if the old characters weren't going to show up somewhere along the line...As for Kratos, he's probably gone for good...

More info from GAF: "According to Famitsu...you'll be able to capture monsters and have them fight in your party."

Athrun Zala · « **Reply #60 on:** July 20, 2007, 05:51:47 AM »

Yay for ToS2!

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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
PS2 gets the port, PSP gets the new game...

Tales of Rebirth was released on PS2 a long time ago :/

and Tales of Innocence PHAILS because the male character is Trunks clone

couchmonkey · « **Reply #61 on:** July 20, 2007, 05:52:09 AM »

Looks like I have to actually finish the original now.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #62 on:** July 20, 2007, 06:07:02 AM »

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Originally posted by: Athrun Zala
Tales of Rebirth was released on PS2 a long time ago :/

Oh, really? Then both PS2 and PSP get ports... =3

nitsu niflheim · « **Reply #63 on:** July 20, 2007, 07:34:45 AM »

Tales of Rebirth was first released on PS2 on 12/16/2004, in Japan only.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #64 on:** July 20, 2007, 08:51:11 AM »

Screens!

There's no overworld in the game, it seems...(Which, to be honest, really isn't that much of a loss considering how crappy it was in the original...)

Pittbboi · « **Reply #65 on:** July 20, 2007, 09:01:03 AM »

Meh...I wasn't a big fan of TOS.

But RPG loving could NEVER be a bad thing.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #66 on:** July 20, 2007, 09:50:36 AM »

There's been confirmation of hitting "updated" versions of locales visited in Symphonia, which isn't surprising...

Oh yes, the old Symphonia characters are also confirmed to "not only appear, but also provide assistance to the main characters..." Take that how you wish...

KDR_11k · « **Reply #67 on:** July 20, 2007, 10:12:05 AM »

Overworlds are usually fail from a gameplay perspective but they do give a sense of location and exploration instead of making locations feel like menu items scattered in random positions over a picture with mountains and stuff.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #68 on:** July 20, 2007, 10:21:29 AM »

But there really wasn't any satisfaction in exploring Symphonia's overworld outside the sparce treasure chest or Mini-skit... =\

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #69 on:** July 20, 2007, 10:32:51 AM »

ToS2 fails by rehashing old locations just like Zelda: Toilet Princess.

Ceric · « **Reply #70 on:** July 20, 2007, 11:12:10 AM »

So can I finally see what is behind the door in the minds.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #71 on:** July 20, 2007, 11:31:24 AM »

Yet another tasty screen...

Kairon · « **Reply #72 on:** July 20, 2007, 11:33:41 AM »

If the game was entirely based off of what we see in that screen Bill, I'd buy it.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #73 on:** July 20, 2007, 11:56:32 AM »

More details:

~ Main characters' names are Emil and Malta
~ Story takes place three years after Symphonia (not two, like I posted earlier...)
~ The game will feature Wii-mote direct controls, allowing players to move around by pointing at sections of the map.
~ While not strictly Wii related, the game will also include the ability to capture and breed monsters for use as allies in battle.

UltimatePartyBear · « **Reply #74 on:** July 20, 2007, 12:34:58 PM »

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ToS2 fails by rehashing old locations just like Zelda: Toilet Princess.

It should work in this game since the two worlds have been recombined, and so things should be rearranged/disrupted quite a bit.

MysticGohan · « **Reply #75 on:** July 20, 2007, 12:55:11 PM »

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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
I think it'd be pretty pointless to do a sequel to Symphonia based only two years in the future if the old characters weren't going to show up somewhere along the line...As for Kratos, he's probably gone for good...

More info from GAF: "According to Famitsu...you'll be able to capture monsters and have them fight in your party."

Ah Bill you are forgetting the most important thing that escape even the most advanced of math users, only known to Japan... The ingenious use of Plotkai!

It's still possible that Kratos could show up.

Plus it helps that he's not dead :p

Ceric · « **Reply #76 on:** July 20, 2007, 02:01:15 PM »

Sweet. Capture and breeding monsters. I hope they use the feeding system in Wells of Souls. Best system for that ever.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #77 on:** July 20, 2007, 02:19:23 PM »

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Originally posted by: Ceric
So can I finally see what is behind the door in the minds.

Never hurd of GAmefaks?

nitsu niflheim · « **Reply #78 on:** July 21, 2007, 02:33:33 AM »

Some games, a over world map just is too much.

WuTangTurtle · « **Reply #79 on:** July 22, 2007, 07:22:17 PM »

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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Screens!

There's no overworld in the game, it seems...(Which, to be honest, really isn't that much of a loss considering how crappy it was in the original...)

Thank you

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #80 on:** July 24, 2007, 04:45:30 PM »

Another scan for everyone!

News:

Author Topic: Bill's and Mine Dreams coming true? ToS sequel for Wii!?!?... (Read 15989 times)