Gaming Forums => Nintendo Gaming => Topic started by: Stratos on May 13, 2010, 04:36:50 AM
Title: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: Stratos on May 13, 2010, 04:36:50 AM
Looks like Wii is getting a version of the new CoD game, Black Ops. It was confirmed to be launching on the same day as the other versions as well. Pretty sweet deal.
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But speaking to Eurogamer (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/cod-black-ops-for-wii-confirmed), Activision made it official: "Black Ops will be available on all four platforms, PS3, X360, PC and Wii, on 9th November."
Confirm WiiSeak support and local multi and I will be sold.
They announced a special edition Headbanger Wii headset for CoD Black Ops and this pretty much guarantees voice chat support in-game. I'm going to assume that WiiSpeak will also be functional.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: Mop it up on May 13, 2010, 05:15:29 AM
I'm not really surprised. World at War was released at the same time as on other systems, and Call of Duty 3 was only a few weeks behind. The Modern Warfare games were an exception because it was a different developer.
Considering this is a port with seemingly no extra development time, I highly doubt it will have any Wii-tailored features such as Wii Speak. Local mulitiplayer might be a possibility, but I wouldn't count on it.
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Post by: Stratos on May 13, 2010, 05:47:41 AM
Considering the epiphany that the Wii can use USB headsets I don't see anything stopping a dev from making a game that uses Wii Speak.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: Mop it up on May 13, 2010, 05:52:33 AM
Who confirmed that? Sundoulos said the USB headset he purchased didn't work.
If any do work, the Wii still recognizes them as Wii Speak. So support for Wii Speak would still need to be programmed into the game itself, which very likely isn't going to happen.
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Post by: KDR_11k on May 13, 2010, 07:26:01 AM
It's Treyarch, they care about the Wii.
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Post by: Plugabugz on May 13, 2010, 08:32:11 AM
I'm not going to get excited (or congratulate them) over something Wii should be receiving as standard.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 13, 2010, 11:12:53 AM
Looks like Wii is getting a version of the new CoD game, Black Ops. It was confirmed to be launching on the same day as the other versions as well. Pretty sweet deal.
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But speaking to Eurogamer (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/cod-black-ops-for-wii-confirmed), Activision made it official: "Black Ops will be available on all four platforms, PS3, X360, PC and Wii, on 9th November." PS3, X360 & PC version Nov. 9th 2010. Wii version Nov. 9th 2011
You forgot to read the fine print. :P:
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 13, 2010, 12:09:52 PM
I don't think it's far to say Wii COD3 was a few weeks behind the others...since it was a Launch game, and it wouldn't make sense to have the game out before the console.
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 13, 2010, 12:12:50 PM
Well I'm interested. COD has been a successful franchise on the Wii.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 13, 2010, 12:29:35 PM
If the aiming system pulls the same crap that Reflex did, I'm not interested.
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 13, 2010, 01:45:07 PM
I haven't played Reflex, what crap does it pull?
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Post by: Peachylala on May 13, 2010, 01:57:02 PM
Aiming basically uses the scope on the weapon itself, and covers the screen at the same time. The Conduit aiming system (which was great) it was not.
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 13, 2010, 02:34:53 PM
I didn't have a problem with COD:World at War's aiming, is it similar?
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Post by: Stratos on May 13, 2010, 02:37:58 PM
I tweaked Modern Warfares controls to be mouse-look and enjoy the game very much.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 13, 2010, 02:54:20 PM
I didn't have a problem with COD:World at War's aiming, is it similar?
Sensitivity controls are better, functionality of the scoped view is just as bad. Rubberband effect is default, gotta hold a button down to enable camera-locked "Goldeneye" aiming. You apparently can't walk around in all directions "scoped" all the time, cuz you're limited by the rubberband. Plus, despite the fact that "scoped view" should imply your eyes would be relatively close to the eyepiece, the wacky scoped view shows you almost the entire gun, scope and stock, like you were aiming from the stock and not the scope.
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 13, 2010, 04:15:41 PM
that makes no sense!
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Post by: Mop it up on May 13, 2010, 05:52:32 PM
I haven't played any other Call of Duty games besides Modern Warfare. Do the others have the "aim down sight" nonsense? It's a clunky feature that is interesting in theory but poor in execution.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on May 14, 2010, 09:09:38 PM
I don't think I have played a Call of Duty game before.
Anyway on May 18th during the NBA Eastern Conference Finals on ESPN there will be a trailer shown then. So we have a few days to wait. I have no idea which version it is going to be but it will be something.
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Post by: KDR_11k on May 15, 2010, 03:04:38 AM
I haven't played any other Call of Duty games besides Modern Warfare. Do the others have the "aim down sight" nonsense? It's a clunky feature that is interesting in theory but poor in execution.
Don't most games have that now? Trade move speed for higher accuracy.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 15, 2010, 07:06:29 AM
I haven't played any other Call of Duty games besides Modern Warfare. Do the others have the "aim down sight" nonsense? It's a clunky feature that is interesting in theory but poor in execution.
Don't most games have that now? Trade move speed for higher accuracy.
We're referring to CoD's (Wii) specific implementation and presentation of the function, not the age-old concept.
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Post by: Mop it up on May 15, 2010, 08:28:36 PM
I don't know how many modern shooters have that mechanic since I haven't played any. Regardless, in Modern Warfare it doesn't work all that well, so I was wondering if the other Call of Duty games also use it.
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Post by: Stratos on September 08, 2010, 06:36:09 AM
So, with the news of Conduit 2 being pushed back to next year. What FPS are you planing on picking up this Fall? Black Ops, Goldeneye, stay with Conduit 1 and Modern Warfare?
I just got back into Modern Warfare and I had a blast with Mop it up. I still feel that the only thing missing from MW is local multi and WiiSpeak support. Really the one that has both of those or even one of them versus the other is most likely going to get my support.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on September 08, 2010, 02:00:22 PM
Maybe Goldeneye. I haven't really played it that much. Enjoyed it at a friends house about a year ago. Played multiplayer and it was enjoyable. I still have a few FPS in my backlog such as Red Steel 2 and MPT so who knows if I will get Goldeneye.
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Post by: Mop it up on September 08, 2010, 07:17:49 PM
I don't think I'll be getting either, at least, not at full price. I'm not all that into shooters so I don't really need to own all of the ones that are released. If I do get one of these two, it'd probably just be to play them with people here. And in that case, I hope it's Goldeneye, because Call of Duty is a bit plain.
I wouldn't expect Call of Duty Black Ops to have WiiSpeak support, and probably not local multiplayer. None of the other Wii versions of Call of Duty have these features, not even Modern Warfare, a port they spent ten months on. They're certainly not going to appear in a game that's releasing simultaneously on all major platforms.
Local multiplayer has already been confirmed for Goldeneye. I don't think anything has yet been mentioned about WiiSpeak, but I wouldn't count on it. Especially with The Conduit 2 being delayed, they won't care to match its feature set.
I'd hope for USB keyboard support, but I know it'll never happen.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 11, 2010, 07:47:18 PM
I don't get how WiiSpeak support is such a hard thing for developers to include in their games. All it is is just a microphone for all intents and purposes. Why is it so hard for their games to support it? It just doesn't make any sense to me. The only thing I can think of is they are concerned about the foul language and stuff that goes on during online play, which is equally true with all consoles... but maybe with the Wii and its "family friendly" image its something they would rather not deal with so they leave it out entirely. That may or may not be the reason, but it sorta makes sense... of course I don't agree with it.
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Post by: Mop it up on September 11, 2010, 08:03:34 PM
As far as I'm aware it's simply a technical issue. The amount of data the Wii can transfer isn't much compared to other systems, and good-quality voice chat uses a lot of data. This is why data-heavy games like The Conduit and Monster Hunter Tri have such poor voice quality, whereas a simple game like Animal Crossing works fine. So, getting a game to work with voice chat is quite a challenge, because it requires getting the game itself to run using even less resources than what's already available.
Now, text chat, on the other hand, is extremely simple to implement. That's the one where its exclusion is more likely due to being weary of offensive people.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 11, 2010, 08:07:17 PM
I do remember reading that the reason why the other COD games on the Wii didn't have killcams was because of the Wii's very limited RAM. So I guess it makes sense that this is the reason why Wiispeak isn't included either. Oh well...
I guess you can always call people on your phone and talk to them via that while you play as a makeshift alternative to VOIP.
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Post by: Mop it up on September 11, 2010, 08:43:41 PM
A lot of people use Skype when they play online Wii games, it's a voice chat program for PCs. I, myself, use AIM with whomever I can. There are probably a couple of other possibilities I'm not thinking of too.
I'm not excusing Wii games for lacking these features, but in my case, it lessens the impact of excluding such features in the games themselves.
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Post by: Stratos on September 12, 2010, 06:15:24 AM
Now, text chat, on the other hand, is extremely simple to implement. That's the one where its exclusion is more likely due to being weary of offensive people.
Just got the Monster Hunter route of censoring random words. ;)
Having text chat between matches at the very least would be nice. Then I could talk strategy with my friends before a random match or even talk about if we should switch game modes.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: Stratos on October 12, 2010, 05:41:54 AM
WiiSpeak/Headbanger support confirmed!
http://wii.ign.com/articles/112/1127089p1.html
They announced a special edition Headbanger Wii headset for CoD Black Ops and this pretty much guarantees voice chat support in-game. I'm going to assume that WiiSpeak will also be functional.
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This limited edition black headset will hit stores in October, prior to Call of Duty: Black Ops' worldwide launch on November 9th, along with the standard white Headbanger Chat Headset for Wii, each with a suggested retail price of $24.99.
...features a noise-cancelling microphone for crystal-clear voice input, high-quality sound via its oversized speaker, an extra large mute button and volume control dial and a 10-foot cord.
Only downside seems to be the fact it is corded. But it is set at a fairly reasonable price.
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Post by: Killer_Man_Jaro on October 12, 2010, 09:35:16 AM
I know Treyarch does their best to implement every feature from the other versions of the game onto the Wii edition, so high-five to them. If Nazi Zombies is included, maybe I'll consider buying Black Ops on Wii, 'cause I'm pretty sure it will be cheaper (or at least become cheap sooner) than the PC version.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 12, 2010, 07:22:50 PM
I'm going to assume that WiiSpeak will also be functional.
You most certainly shouldn't, because Wii Speak works in an entirely different way than the headset.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 12, 2010, 07:41:19 PM
The Conduit guys said it was extremely easy to modify their existing WiiSpeak support to work with this headset, so it seems reasonable to assume the reverse would be true as well. It seems crazy to support a voice chat method that hasn't been released yet, but not support the official first party method that's already (to some extent) in place.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 12, 2010, 07:51:49 PM
It's also extremely easy to include support for USB keyboards and Classic Controllers, yet so few games do. Assumptions are dangerous, it is better to not assume something and have it come true than assume it and have it not be there.
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Post by: BwrJim! on October 12, 2010, 08:34:27 PM
For some reason, im down for Call of Duty Black Ops.
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Post by: ShyGuy on October 13, 2010, 02:23:27 PM
Has there ever been any screens or footage of the Wii versions?
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 13, 2010, 03:47:24 PM
Not yet, but they did the same thing with Modern Warfare last year, and World at War.
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Post by: Stratos on October 13, 2010, 05:21:33 PM
For some reason, im down for Call of Duty Black Ops.
Does this have to do with your enjoyment of Reflex? I know my enjoyment of that game is what has me sold on Ops. If Ops is on par with Reflex + voice chat (and hopefully local multi) then its a sale for me.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 13, 2010, 05:31:03 PM
I would get this game if it has classic controller support. I bought COD Reflex and I couldn't ever get the hang of playing it with the wiimote so I always ended up getting killed and so I ended up returning it. I also didn't like that Reflex was missing voice chat. I'm glad to see that voice chat is going to be in black ops, but I really do need there to be classic controller support for this.
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Post by: Stratos on October 13, 2010, 05:35:57 PM
Did you like conduit's controls or do you just not like IR FPS controls in general? I didn't like the default setting in Reflex either but I entered the training mode and just tweaked the settings to my liking. Conduit's default was fine for me and 99% of the time I played with the default controls. I kicked a lot of people's tails with the default. ;D
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Post by: Mop it up on October 14, 2010, 12:17:54 AM
Support for the Classic Controller seems doubtful; Goldeneye is the first shooter to ever offer it. Although, the only reason that The Conduit 2 has Classic Controller support is to match Goldeneye, so they might do the same with this game if they feel it'll help it compete. It isn't a difficult thing to include.
Though I'd recommend trying to tweak the Wii Remote controls some more. They can take some time when you are coming from a controller you're used to, but I think they're so much better. I turned the sensitivity up pretty high, because I sit closer to the Sensor Bar than most people do.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 14, 2010, 12:58:49 AM
I doubt they're going to do too much to try and compete with GoldenEye in this, considering both games are made by Activision. It still seems fairly stupid that they're releasing two Wii FPSs within a week of each other. That'd be a bad idea even on the 360 with its established shooter audience.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on October 31, 2010, 04:46:22 AM
Here some details about the Wii version of Black ops.
4 player online Zombies co-op Combat training mode 10 player online multiplayer Headset support Classic Controller support as well as highly configurable Wiimote and nunchuk options. Allies system that lets you add players that you played with without adding their code. All maps and game modes from other versions included. text messaging as well as voice chat. Full storyline mode.Nothing missing from single player. Ability to do backend patching so the Wii version has patch support.
Also there is this but it is unclear on this from update.
Offline splitscreen.
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Post by: Stratos on October 31, 2010, 06:55:50 AM
Here some details about the Wii version of Black ops.
4 player online Zombies co-op Combat training mode 10 player online multiplayer Headset support Classic Controller support as well as highly configurable Wiimote and nunchuk options. Allies system that lets you add players that you played with without adding their code. All maps and game modes from other versions included. text messaging as well as voice chat. Full storyline mode.Nothing missing from single player. Ability to do backend patching so the Wii version has patch support.
Also there is this but it is unclear on this from update.
Offline splitscreen.
ZOMG! Really? That makes me pumped. Ops > Goldeneye confirmed. And I'm going to assume local multi is a go because as you stated: All game modes from other versions included.
Link?
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Post by: Killer_Man_Jaro on October 31, 2010, 07:08:44 AM
ZOMG! Really? That makes me pumped. Ops > Goldeneye confirmed. And I'm going to assume local multi is a go because as you stated: All game modes from other versions included.
Link?
An interview on the official Call of Duty website (http://www.callofduty.com/intel/410?path=intel/410) confirmed these details.
For a reasonable price, I'd pick up the Wii version of this. Although Modern Warfare 2, almost a year after release is still £39.99 (which, converted, is more than $60) everywhere you look, so god knows how long it will be before Black Ops gets its price cut down to something I'm willing to pay.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 31, 2010, 05:37:12 PM
Still ten players? I wonder why they can't get that up to at least twelve like other Wii shooters, though I'm sure with enough tweaking they could get the eighteen like the other systems.
Although Modern Warfare 2, almost a year after release is still £39.99 (which, converted, is more than $60) everywhere you look, so god knows how long it will be before Black Ops gets its price cut down to something I'm willing to pay.
A really long while. Call of Duty World at War is still $40-50 everywhere. Even Call of Duty 3, if you can find it, isn't cheap.
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Post by: Dasmos on November 01, 2010, 12:02:26 AM
SPOILERS, but this is fucking cool. (http://kotaku.com/5677841/you-wont-believe-who-is-killing-zombies-in-call-of-duty-black-ops)
I assume it'll apply with the Wii version too.
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Post by: Stratos on November 01, 2010, 05:58:07 AM
I recall that zombies were confirmed for the Wii one. So I'm pretty sure this will be there. Amazing. 'Left for Call of Duty', gave me a L4D vibe, and what a great set of players for a new L4D game.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 01, 2010, 06:25:37 PM
We should probably be concerned that we haven't seen *anything* about this game yet. The Xbox 360 version has already been leaked online, which means that retailers have the game, which likely means they have the Wii (and PS3) versions as well, and we've seen absolutely nothing.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 01, 2010, 07:55:12 PM
We should probably be concerned that we haven't seen *anything* about this game yet. The Xbox 360 version has already been leaked online, which means that retailers have the game, which likely means they have the Wii (and PS3) versions as well, and we've seen absolutely nothing.
We didn't see anymore than this about Modern Warfare Reflex before it launched, and it turned out fantastic.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 01, 2010, 08:26:43 PM
We had screens for Modern Warfare Reflex almost 3 full months before it was released.
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Post by: Stratos on November 01, 2010, 09:07:39 PM
I'm kind of confused as to why anybody would even consider buying both this and Goldeneye, when in terms of gameplay, they're completely identical.
Not really. While they are very similar controls-wise, GoldenEye likely has a much greater focus on stealth than Black Ops probably has. Now, as far as quality's concerned, I do wonder why you would buy Black Ops on Wii when you could buy GoldenEye on Wii and get Black Ops on the HD consoles (thereby getting both games on the platforms where they're probably best).
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Post by: Dirk Temporo on November 08, 2010, 03:21:13 PM
That is a good point. I was thinking more about the multiplayer than the single-player though. I wonder if the online functionality will be any better in Call of Duty than Goldeneye.
Actually, now that I think about it, what if that was their general plan? Market Goldeneye for local multiplayer and Call of Duty for online multiplayer.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 08, 2010, 04:25:18 PM
Pretty sure that's why there's no splitscreen on the Wii Black Ops. Anyway, saw some screens and videos (gamefaqs), hard to tell because they're off-screen, but I'd say it actually looks pretty good.
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Post by: ShyGuy on November 08, 2010, 05:35:30 PM
Right now, I'm torn between getting this and GoldenEye. I want the best single player game with the best pointer control
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Post by: Stratos on November 08, 2010, 05:42:09 PM
The functionality is already confirmed way better than Goldeneye. You have voice chat through headset and wiispeak. Also, local multi is in Black Ops as well. You can also friend random people and completely bypass friend codes.
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Post by: Mop it up on November 08, 2010, 06:18:31 PM
Now, as far as quality's concerned, I do wonder why you would buy Black Ops on Wii when you could buy GoldenEye on Wii and get Black Ops on the HD consoles (thereby getting both games on the platforms where they're probably best).
The answer is simple: Wii controls. I don't like dual-analogue, so it doesn't matter to me how much better it looks or what features it has, because it is no fun to control. Black Ops is also much more feature-full than Goldeneye, and it likely has a different style of multiplayer maps.
Now, as far as quality's concerned, I do wonder why you would buy Black Ops on Wii when you could buy GoldenEye on Wii and get Black Ops on the HD consoles (thereby getting both games on the platforms where they're probably best).
The answer is simple: Wii controls. I don't like dual-analogue, so it doesn't matter to me how much better it looks or what features it has, because it is no fun to control. Black Ops is also much more feature-full than Goldeneye, and it likely has a different style of multiplayer maps.
True enough, I suppose. I just prefer the version that's probably closer to the experience Treyarch intended. Plus, I do like dual-analog controls.
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Post by: ShyGuy on November 08, 2010, 07:12:25 PM
I don't like dual analog FPS either. I think with GoldenEye, Black Ops, and Conduit 2 all offering both pointer and dual analog control options, we will see pointer controls vindicated in multiplayer games.
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Post by: King of Twitch on November 08, 2010, 09:55:24 PM
KTLA is all over this, live from Activision's front steps in Santa Monica, holding up a prestige version. They'll have reports of the line at 10pm.
They didn't comment, however, on how the game's eeevil, realistic violence is turning our children into a generation full of mass murderers. Maybe they're saving it for later.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 09, 2010, 12:35:51 AM
Just got back from the midnight launch, I got the 360 version. There was a good 300 people or so in line, and that was just at one GameStop. I've got a feeling that this will probably go down as the highest selling game of all time, as long as you count all of the platforms as one game. Everyone was getting PS3 or 360 though, didn't notice anyone buying the Wii version.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 09, 2010, 01:04:46 AM
A friend of mine bought the game at midnight and is over here playing it on my PS3. Watching it is making me reconsider my decision to pass on this game. Depending on who else here gets it, I may pick up the Wii version and possibly one of those headsets.
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Post by: bustin98 on November 09, 2010, 01:07:24 AM
I plan on getting the PS3 version.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 09, 2010, 01:12:38 AM
There's no way I'm playing a multiplatform shooter with that controller. I'm getting used to the Dual Shock layout, but I still don't think I could stomach it in a shooter. I don't really want to get it on 360 either, since I still want to get back into Halo Reach. I want to get on with Stratos and whomever else decides to show up and kick some ass with the best damn FPS controls out there.
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Post by: Mop it up on November 09, 2010, 01:20:22 AM
If Stratos is still insistent on buying this game over Goldeneye, then I'll pick it up eventually, probably sometime around Christmas. I saw Amazon was offering a $20 credit on pre-orders, and I was tempted, but... if only the game came out a week later.
I've got a feeling that this will probably go down as the highest selling game of all time, as long as you count all of the platforms as one game.
In order for that to happen, it would have to sell over 10 million copies more than Modern Warfare 2, which I don't see happening. These games have big launches but the sales practically disappear after a few months. Now, if we're talking most sales in a day or a week or a month, that is possible.
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Post by: Stratos on November 09, 2010, 04:02:06 AM
Yeah, I'm still adamant. I'm convinced all the people going gaga over Goldeneye played little to no Modern Warfare Reflex. It sounds like it has close to the same features to Reflex with a James Bond skin. No voice chat also seals it's doom. I expect the FPSes of 2010 to trump the features of FPSes in 2009. No voice chat = Reflex. I already own Reflex so I may as well keep playing that with all the people crawling out of the woodwork who actually had that game all along. Plus I read you can't choose your character online. Ops lets you customize your own character.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: SixthAngel on November 09, 2010, 07:54:32 AM
Yeah, I'm still adamant. I'm convinced all the people going gaga over Goldeneye played little to no Modern Warfare Reflex. It sounds like it has close to the same features to Reflex with a James Bond skin. No voice chat also seals it's doom. I expect the FPSes of 2010 to trump the features of FPSes in 2009. No voice chat = Reflex. I already own Reflex so I may as well keep playing that with all the people crawling out of the woodwork who actually had that game all along. Plus I read you can't choose your character online. Ops lets you customize your own character.
There is a lot more to a game than what you talk about. Just having differen't weapons or making them handle differently can make a game better or worse. I would love it if a modern game had the first GE's unrealistic explosions, I loved those things. A checklist of features isn't how peope judge games as better or worse. One of my favorite fps games was made fun of because it lacked features other games had.
I won't be touching Black Ops after I played reflex and its horrible single player of running to checkpoints so guys stop infinitely spawning. I just don't play online much anymore since I typically like single player better and have a huge backlog.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 09, 2010, 11:11:33 AM
shitty cellphone vids of the Wii version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBYw_-e5dow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP8VioBQCwA
Initial impressions say that the 1st level looks like a PSP game, but the second level looks much better. The frame rates are pretty damn solid, and the frame dips less than in GE. and the controls are excellent so far.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: broodwars on November 09, 2010, 11:13:14 AM
I'm playing the PS3 version of the game, but is anyone finding the Wii version of the game's singleplayer also fairly disjointed and hard to follow? :-[
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 09, 2010, 11:21:15 AM
A direct feed of the Wii version. Some of this stuff does look PSP level. But atleast the framerate is good. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRHN5eU5MYc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRHN5eU5MYc)
Here is a better quality vid (intro + 1st level) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2vOb7XMdes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2vOb7XMdes) Looks pretty good where it needs to.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 09, 2010, 01:19:33 PM
Ok, it might not be the highest selling game ever, but I bet it does better than MW2, because the install base for all 3 consoles is a lot bigger than it was last year, and because I'm gonna say the Wii version sells a lot more than MWR did, since it's a new game, has voice chat, etc.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 09, 2010, 03:34:38 PM
I might get a chance to play the Wii version later on, but Goddamn, this game is awesome.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 09, 2010, 03:37:35 PM
My friend bought this game for PS3, but he doesn't have his PS3 with him at the moment so he's been playing it on mine. He's been playing all night and is already up to level 27.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: ShyGuy on November 09, 2010, 03:42:11 PM
My friend bought this game for PS3, but he doesn't have his PS3 with him at the moment so he's been playing it on mine. He's been playing all night and is already up to level 27.
All night? O Lord, that's insane!
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: broodwars on November 09, 2010, 03:57:06 PM
I might get a chance to play the Wii version later on, but Goddamn, this game is awesome.
How far have you gotten? Because I got to the start of the Vietnam section, and honestly this game feels very uneven. The second stage (the escape from the prison) was pretty badass, but that's really the only stage that has impressed me.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 09, 2010, 04:21:47 PM
Now that this game is out, I have two questions:
1) Is there support for the Classic Controller?
2) Are there Nazi Zombies?
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: ShyGuy on November 09, 2010, 04:46:42 PM
I just picked up this Wii game, haven't played it yet.
Chozo the answer is:
1) Yes 2) Yes
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: kraken613 on November 09, 2010, 04:52:09 PM
If Stratos gets this and a lot of other people I will pick this up.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: ShyGuy on November 09, 2010, 04:59:48 PM
We need a friend code topic. Who is reviewing this for NWR?
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: Mop it up on November 09, 2010, 06:05:03 PM
According to players on GameFAQs, here are the features that are not in the Wii version:
-Ground War -Kill Cam -Split-screen multiplayer -Theater Mode -Online multiplayer capped at 10 players instead of 12-18
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: ShyGuy on November 10, 2010, 12:20:47 AM
Played the first three levels. Graphics seem better than World at War, although the standard Call of Duty method of rushing you along the path doesn't leave much time for sight-seeing.
Played a round of Zombie mode, that was fun.
Can't get on standard multiplayer, apparently, it's been having connection issues on the Wii (PC too)
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: broodwars on November 10, 2010, 02:45:25 AM
Question for anyone who bought the Wii version of Black Ops: where is your combat training mode located?
I just discovered today that some genius at Treyarch decided to make this completely offline multiplayer mode only accessible from the online multiplayer menu on the PS3/360 versions. This means that to play offline multiplayer against bots, you must have an internet connection with the Activision servers. :Q And on 360, that means if you don't have a $60 Xbox LIVE Gold Account, you can't play offline multiplayer against bots. :@ Words fail me to properly describe how stupid and greedy that is, and a perfect example of why I dislike purchasing Activision games and why I will not purchase an Xbox LIVE Gold Account. Thankfully, my PS3 version of the game doesn't have the issue of being locked behind a Playstation Plus wall, but it does mean that whenever Activision decides to take down the multiplayer servers, I'll lose access to offline multiplayer outside of Zombies mode. Unbelievable. That had better get fixed in a patch.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: ShyGuy on November 10, 2010, 03:44:24 AM
Yeah, it's in the same place on the Wii version. I think it does that because you can still earn points for your online profile. I agree though, you should be able to play it without an internet connection.
Speaking of Activision, rumor is that the Wii version is going to get pay-for DLC stuff.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: Stratos on November 10, 2010, 04:43:35 AM
Watch, they charge for local multi or something.
I was at Fry's today and saw their Black Ops table. No Wii versions. But they did have Wii versions back in the Wii section. I was gonna splurge my tips on it but saw they didn't have the headbanger in so I'm waiting for that.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: cubist on November 10, 2010, 11:36:36 AM
Waiting for the NWR review. I saw some videos online. It looks good for a Wii game. I also enjoyed WoW and Reflex on Wii a lot. Sooooooo...I'm already sold, just waiting for the funds to roll through.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 10, 2010, 12:45:14 PM
Question for anyone who bought the Wii version of Black Ops: where is your combat training mode located?
I just discovered today that some genius at Treyarch decided to make this completely offline multiplayer mode only accessible from the online multiplayer menu on the PS3/360 versions. This means that to play offline multiplayer against bots, you must have an internet connection with the Activision servers. :Q And on 360, that means if you don't have a $60 Xbox LIVE Gold Account, you can't play offline multiplayer against bots. :@ Words fail me to properly describe how stupid and greedy that is, and a perfect example of why I dislike purchasing Activision games and why I will not purchase an Xbox LIVE Gold Account. Thankfully, my PS3 version of the game doesn't have the issue of being locked behind a Playstation Plus wall, but it does mean that whenever Activision decides to take down the multiplayer servers, I'll lose access to offline multiplayer outside of Zombies mode. Unbelievable. That had better get fixed in a patch.
It's not being greedy (Microsoft gets the Xbox Live subscription money, not Activision), it's just bad game design.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: kraken613 on November 10, 2010, 06:20:32 PM
Well played some single player on the PC at a friends house. It's a good FPS, its a good game top to bottom, but the CoD style is just getting so tired. After about an hour of the single player I had no motivation to play any more. I will I am sure end up playing it completely through just to be current but don't be ready to be blown away. Especially for Wii where your not even getting the great visuals of CoD.
Man, just makes me with Goldeneye came to PC and had awesome graphics... Goldeneye far surpasses this in single player. Just that old-school merged with modern FPS works well and I love me some stealth.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 10, 2010, 06:33:16 PM
If I buy Black Ops, which I will probably end up doing, I will probably never touch the single player outside of playing the tutorial in order to tweak the controls. I would be buying it entirely for the online multiplayer, and would then probably pick up GoldenEye for single player and local multi. Which means I'm falling into Activision's trap.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: ShyGuy on November 10, 2010, 11:11:31 PM
The Call of Duty single player games are really one step above a rail shooter.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: kraken613 on November 10, 2010, 11:26:27 PM
I got this for Wii, will post FC in a bit, haven't actually stuck it in the system yet. ShyGuy if ya wanna play a round in a bit I probably will.
I figured since everyone sounded like they were going to get it and I had a Best Buy 30% Rewards Zone coupon that expires this week I might as well.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 10, 2010, 11:27:22 PM
The Call of Duty single player games are really one step above a rail shooter.
You could argue that they're actually worse, in that they're linear and require you to keep pressing forward, but still require you to manually manage your movement even though it's basically the same.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: ShyGuy on November 10, 2010, 11:46:18 PM
I got this for Wii, will post FC in a bit, haven't actually stuck it in the system yet. ShyGuy if ya wanna play a round in a bit I probably will.
I figured since everyone sounded like they were going to get it and I had a Best Buy 30% Rewards Zone coupon that expires this week I might as well.
Woot! my friend code is in the official black ops friend code topic
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 10, 2010, 11:49:59 PM
You really can't complain about a game like Call of Duty being linear. It's a squad-based wartime FPS that follows a set story. You can't expect to go running off to do side quests or just decide which part of the war you want to fight at any given time, meanwhile the world is crumbling around you. **** happens, and then you have to take care of that ****.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: Kytim89 on November 11, 2010, 12:13:26 AM
What is next for the Call of Duty series? I have read that Activision wants to to take the sries into the future. Now if they wanted to make the game set in 2020 and show how military technology has grown in that time, but if I see another Halo clone then I will vomit. Although they should make a new World at War game centered around a hypothetical scenario of World War 3.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: GK on November 11, 2010, 12:16:14 AM
May have to change my mind about this if enough people here are playing online.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 11, 2010, 12:21:03 AM
You really can't complain about a game like Call of Duty being linear. It's a squad-based wartime FPS that follows a set story. You can't expect to go running off to do side quests or just decide which part of the war you want to fight at any given time, meanwhile the world is crumbling around you. **** happens, and then you have to take care of that ****.
I wasn't exactly complaining, I was just saying it might as well be on rails given what it is.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: kraken613 on November 11, 2010, 12:33:01 AM
If you get on ShyGuy I am on, plan on just playing a little but will post on how online is.
EDIT WITH IMPRESSIONS: Wow, I am impressed....
The online puts any other Wii shooter I have ever played to shame. Good frame rate and tons of fun to play. It seems to have every feature of the HD consoles or atleast almost all of them. Controls are really great but still having to tweak a bit. My first round was able to hop in and go 16-10 and went 9-6 in the next round. You can mute voice chat overall and it even looks as if you can mute certain people while in game.
If you want a Wii Shooter for online play this is it hands down.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: ShyGuy on November 11, 2010, 02:25:44 AM
I saw Kraken online, but couldn't join his match.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: Dasmos on November 11, 2010, 03:23:03 AM
Please tell me the Wii version has "Dead Ops Arcade", it's probably the best part about this game.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 11, 2010, 12:42:30 PM
Black Ops beats Modern Warfare 2 to become “biggest entertainment launch ever” http://www.vg247.com/2010/11/11/black-ops-beats-modern-warfare-2-on-day-one-sales/ (http://www.vg247.com/2010/11/11/black-ops-beats-modern-warfare-2-on-day-one-sales/)
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Black Ops has beaten Modern Warfare 2’s opening day sales to become the world’s largest ever entertainment launch with $360 million in revenue in the UK and North America alone.
The 24-hour figure stacks against the $310 million taken by Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 in North America and the United Kingdom last year, according to internal Activision estimates.
Call of Duty: Black Ops, marks the second year in a row that the Call of Duty franchise has set day one launch records across all forms of entertainment, Activision said today.
In its first day on November 9, the blockbuster title sold through approximately 5.6 million copies in North America and the United Kingdom, as compared to 4.7 million copies for last year’s Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2.“There has never been another entertainment franchise that has set opening day records for two consecutive years and we are on track to outperform last year’s five-day global sales record of $550 million,” said Acti head Bobby Kotick.
You think that 16% increase in sales had anything to do with the fact that they also released it on the Wii the same day?
I also guess Kotic has been redeemed (in the eyes of the investors) for his decisions related to the drama of MW2 and now Treyarch are the new big boys in town that know their place and play their role.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: alegoicoe on November 11, 2010, 12:57:03 PM
yeah, but looks like people dont get that they are playing the same sh*t over an over with a mediocre campaign to justify the selling point of the game which is multiplayer, and in like a month or two comes the map packs, wait for it.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: ShyGuy on November 11, 2010, 09:33:31 PM
I don't think this has the Dead Ops Arcade, which is a bummer, I tried the cheat code on the computer in the menu screen, but it says "error reading drive A:" Maybe it will be DLC? It does have Zork though.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 12, 2010, 04:48:20 AM
I'm glad this game is beating MW2's sales record. Quite frankly, I thought MW2 sucked... I mean it has cool guns and stuff, but it was so horribly unbalanced and don't get me started on the boosters. I think Treyarch does a far better job at making COD games than Infinity Ward. Plus the Treyarch COD games are the ones that have Zombies, and that's a major plus... the Treyarch COD games are also much darker and bloodier/gorier in general, and that better represents what war is really about. So all around I'm more of a Treyarch fan. I think they're the ones with the real talent.
Oh yeah, it also needs to be mentioned that Treyarch does the best job they can to make the Wii versions of their games be as good as the ones on other consoles. That is a fact which can not be said about Infinity Ward... Did MW2 even come to the Wii at all? No, it did not. What we got was a crappy repackaging of MW1 with crappy controls. Now in contrast to that the Wii got ON DAY 1 pretty much the EXACT SAME Black Ops experience as the 360/PS3 did, and this game is not really lacking in anything except for the forgivable things which could not have been included because of hardware limits (Killcams, 12-18 players, etc.)
So if Infinity Ward gets shut down or whatever, that's fine with me because thank God we have Treyarch!
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: Stratos on November 12, 2010, 06:10:39 AM
It is missing most of the zombie stuff. Pity.
I thought the controls in Reflex were fine.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on November 12, 2010, 08:09:28 AM
Yeah, it's in the same place on the Wii version. I think it does that because you can still earn points for your online profile. I agree though, you should be able to play it without an internet connection.
Speaking of Activision, rumor is that the Wii version is going to get pay-for DLC stuff.
That's true, the manual says that you can buy DLC in the game's CoD store. DLC is going to be stored on a SD card.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: Dirk Temporo on November 12, 2010, 02:45:01 PM
So Goldeneye for local, Call of Duty for online?
Alternatively, I could save $50 and just wait for Conduit 2, which will have both.
EDIT: IGN confuses me. I hear that this is better than The Conduit, but IGN gave this a 7.5 and The Conduit an 8.6. Maybe it's because The Conduit came first. With any luck, Conduit 2 will be a 9.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: Stratos on November 12, 2010, 03:24:21 PM
Yeah, they also gave Goldeneye a 9. We will see I suppose. C2 could get close to the same.
I don't trust IGN scores anymore. Haven't in a long time.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: Dirk Temporo on November 12, 2010, 03:55:30 PM
I actually had a discussion with a guy I work with and we basically both agreed that the Wii section of IGN specifically was pretty good up until the point that Matt left. I had issues with some of the things that Matt said, but really he was a pretty good reviewer, and he ran a damn tight ship at IGN Wii. After he left though, it just went to crap like the rest of everything.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: ShyGuy on November 12, 2010, 04:00:04 PM
Yeah, Nintendo IGN was still good for exclusive news when Matt was there. Now, I rarely visit the site.
Epic Mickey, Conduit 2, and maybe Golden Eye are all that are on my Wii Radar till Zelda.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 12, 2010, 10:20:21 PM
Also, Black Ops is supposedly just like GoldenEye, only better, so the 7.5 is kind of an insult.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: kraken613 on November 12, 2010, 10:36:54 PM
Single player not as good and online 10 times better....
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: Dirk Temporo on November 13, 2010, 05:30:21 AM
And no local multiplayer.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: Stratos on November 13, 2010, 06:37:02 AM
I'm hearing that the local options in the HD versions are buried in the online part of the game. People are complaining that they have to go online to just play local. I'm curious if the option is there somewhere on the Wii version but no one has found it yet.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: kraken613 on November 13, 2010, 07:22:49 AM
I'm hearing that the local options in the HD versions are buried in the online part of the game. People are complaining that they have to go online to just play local. I'm curious if the option is there somewhere on the Wii version but no one has found it yet.
I will look next time I play. Not an issue for me since I will never play this game local.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 13, 2010, 11:33:46 AM
With bots, yes, you do have to be on Xbox Live (or PSN). I believe the bots are basically being "streamed" to you online, no matter which version of the game you have. However, split screen and system link do not require you to be online.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: ShyGuy on November 13, 2010, 12:30:01 PM
If by play local you mean split screen, I don't think that's an option. I know this uses the same engine as Goldeneye, so it may be bundled somewhere in the game code, ready to pop out with DLC.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 17, 2010, 01:25:20 PM
Having to be online to have bots is stupid, any FPS game should at least have bots available for offline play (they are crap if they don't let a person play multiplayer by themselves).
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: ymeegod on November 19, 2010, 12:34:56 AM
"You think that 16% increase in sales had anything to do with the fact that they also released it on the Wii the same day?"
No, sales for the WII didn't even break the 100K mark, VGcharts listed it at 65K. Which is doing better than Modern Warfare Reflex first week and that game went on to evenually to sell over a million.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: Stratos on November 19, 2010, 04:22:26 AM
"You think that 16% increase in sales had anything to do with the fact that they also released it on the Wii the same day?"
No, sales for the WII didn't even break the 100K mark, VGcharts listed it at 65K. Which is doing better than Modern Warfare Reflex first week and that game went on to evenually to sell over a million.
Well, when Fry's has a big table with the HD versions piled on it in the middle of the main aisle and the Wii version is tucked in the very back of the Wii section with no headbanger it's little wonder it didn't sell as well. I almost splurged and got it but no headbanger made me decide to wait.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 19, 2010, 11:29:31 AM
No, sales for the WII didn't even break the 100K mark, VGcharts listed it at 65K. Which is doing better than Modern Warfare Reflex first week and that game went on to evenually to sell over a million.
Why are you quoting a site that makes up their data? No intelligent person uses their numbers.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: Ymeegod on November 21, 2010, 12:02:43 AM
Sigh you do realize all charts, NPD, VGChartz, ect all estimate their numbers. Here's a nice read http://www.vgchartz.com/article/82746/editorial-why-it-is-so-easy-to-blame-vgchartz/ (http://www.vgchartz.com/article/82746/editorial-why-it-is-so-easy-to-blame-vgchartz/)
Basically they estimated 475K sold and MS stated 550K sold--that's roughy an error of 13%. Why the error? Is 550K the correct number?
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 21, 2010, 02:01:52 AM
I really don't want to have this argument again, but NPD, Media Create, Chart Track GfK, Famitsu and whatever other official sales tracking services there are get actual numbers from retailers and only estimate sales from non-reporting retailers (i.e. Walmart) based on complex calculations involving shipments and sell through at other retailers.
VGChartz is a fan run site that has no official source such as retailer reportings, and the person running that site has been making up and then adjusting their numbers to match more official sources since before VGChartz became a website.
It's one thing to estimate a portion of your numbers due to uncooperative retailers and it's a whole other thing entirely to guesstimate the numbers based off of nothing more than a hunch and some calculation based on hype and early review scores.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: Ymeegod on November 21, 2010, 03:11:36 AM
People can't read:
"•A telephone survey of retailers across America. We called over 200 retailers (distributed across the country and across different chains in a proportion representative of market share) and asked how many Kinect units they had purchased and how many they had sold. Now 200 retailers from 30,000 isn't a lot, but one GameStop will sell similar amounts to another - each new store you call follows the law of diminishing returns in terms of accuracy improvement. Then, on a retailer by retailer basis, we took an average per store and multiply by the number of stores. We then scaled this with any missing retailers to match the overall marketshare. This gives one estimate of Kinect sell-through. •A pre-order analysis using a typical pre-order to week-one ratio for a casual Xbox 360 title to arrive at a second estimate. An explanation of where our pre-order data comes from can form it's own editorial but a combination of retail pre-order info from best-seller lists at various stores and user pre-order data (purchase intent) via trawls of major sites like GameSpot, IGN, Eurogamer and so on are the two main contributors. •Contact a small retail panel who provide regular data for VGChartz and weigh and scale that data to provide a third estimate. We have a lot of experience with this data so while it isn't particularly representitive we have a lookup table of scaling factors and adjustment for different types of game / hardware. •A Gamercard analysis of more than 5 million Gamercards to calculate the proportion of players playing Kinect games (specifically Kinect Adventures), and from the raw figures we can scale up to produce a fourth estimate of sales via an analysis of gamercard to sales ratios for different types of game. "
NPD states they have data collected from 850 retailers but there's one big difference. VGCharts only focusses on games where NPD collects data on everydamn thing that's sold. Meaning out those 850 chains, how man actual sell games?
And for the most part they post similar numbers within a certain about of error. For example, I recall one of those Aliens games being quoted by NPD as selling 630k first month sales when the developer stated it just broke 1/2 million sales one week after NPD quote. That's an error of 26%. Higher than normal, yeah, just still means NPD's human just like the rest.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: ShyGuy on November 21, 2010, 03:24:46 AM
I think I read somewhere that Call of Duty World at War for the Wii passed a million sales worldwide.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: Ymeegod on November 21, 2010, 03:36:00 AM
CoD WoW WII: 1.6 million
Well according to VGchartz :)
PS: NPD does track Walmart sales now for the past couple of years, it's right from NPD's website. Think it was 07 or 08 when the two got together.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 21, 2010, 04:40:18 AM
I'm sorry, but where were we supposed to read that? you didn't put a link. I'm gonna assume that is from ioi himself over at VGChartz (pre post edit: a quick google search confirms this) And do you know what that non sourced BS explanation is in response to? Him getting called out by a MS representative over some BS and very incorrect Kinect sold through numbers
Quote from: MS rep - Greenberg's Twitter
"LOL'ing at sales reports from VGChartz, why do people release info as official when there is no source or science behind the #s?"
Those are the same type of responses that he would always give that don't actually prove anything and still not citing any such source. So this guy called 200 GameStops and asked them how many Kinects they got in stock and sold, then through some BS extrapolation equation he came up with, estimated how many units that must mean sold across the country in that given period of time. And that is just as useful as NPD who tracks everything sold at just about every damn retail chain across the country? really?
VGChartz is **** and to argue over their numbers being anything close to legit is a waste of time as they have been called out on numerous occasions and caught adjusting their numbers to match more official sources. We even had a thread on it here where we followed their numbers and seen how "close" they were after NPD released (hint: they were far off enough to not use them as a legit source). VGChartz is a joke and shouldn't be treated any other than.[/quote]
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: Ymeegod on November 21, 2010, 06:24:49 AM
1. I did post a link
2. They don't call 200GS, what's the point when they only have to call one regional manager who can tell you everything to do with the chain? It's 200 different retailers like Target, BB, Walmart, ect. Yes, NPD does 850 different chains that cover 125K stores but it doesn't state how many are just target video games. For example, NPD tracks food, clothing, ect so chains like Wendy's and the Gap are part of that 850.
3. NPD isn't 99.9 right, hell they not even close. It's like a weatherman, one day this guy right the next this one. The are not to be taken as face value meaning there's always going be gap between actual and what market research states.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: Stratos on November 21, 2010, 06:44:06 AM
Great link Ymeegod! I actually put a lot more stock in VGChartz now. It just like the people running polls in elections. They tend to be fairly close overall and it really is a science. You can peg things pretty well with stuff like that. Not 100% of the time but close enough to get a good feel for what is actually happening.
So please stop making those cheap shots at VGChartz guys. It's actually getting on my nerves truth be told. Yes, we all know they aren't always right. You don't have to badger us with it every time their name is mentioned. And look at what Ymeegod quoted from that article: they don't pull numbers out of their ass. They poll retailers and come up with an estimate based on the average.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 21, 2010, 11:32:09 AM
Sigh, you don't get it. NPD tracks about 85% of all sales and uses that info to extrapolate the rest. VG Chartz just randomly guesses. They are as reliable as asking a random person for data, you lose all credibility if you use them.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: NeoStar9X on November 21, 2010, 04:51:14 PM
Back to the damn game people.
Has anyone been having issues with the disc drive dying on them due to playing the game? Seems a number of people are having this issue due to the constant streaming the game requires. Now granted their drives might be in bad shape due to constant use over the years and this game could have finally pushed it over the edge. I had mine replaced some time ago but really curious if those that have had their drives replaced already are having any issues with the game?
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: Mop it up on November 22, 2010, 12:26:26 AM
ShyGuy's system stopped reading discs and has to be repaired, and my system did the same thing shortly after reaching the hundred-hour mark in Modern Warfare. It is hard to say for sure, but it would seem that the Wii drive may not have been built to withstand this kind of constant streaming.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: kraken613 on November 22, 2010, 12:48:30 AM
If your that concerned about your disk drive just install a USB Loader through homebrew.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: Mop it up on November 22, 2010, 01:17:26 AM
I've considered it, and I might do that once my warranty expires.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 22, 2010, 01:26:12 AM
Why wait until then? It doesn't void your warranty.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: Mop it up on November 22, 2010, 02:08:12 AM
It was my understanding that unauthorized modifications (homebrew) of any kind voids the warranty. Why risk it?
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 22, 2010, 03:22:29 AM
Did you guys know that CoD Black Ops wasn't actually a game after all!? It's actually an optionally interactive movie in the first person perspective where you control where the camera goes and when... most of the time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RULv6HbgEjY#!
(http://i27.tinypic.com/2uid5zo.jpg)
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 22, 2010, 09:27:58 AM
It was my understanding that unauthorized modifications (homebrew) of any kind voids the warranty. Why risk it?
Correct, I just checked Nintendo's online Wii warranty (I am not home at the moment to check my physical copy):
THIS WARRANTY SHALL NOT APPLY IF THIS PRODUCT: (a) IS USED WITH PRODUCTS NOT SOLD OR LICENSED BY NINTENDO (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, NON-LICENSED GAME ENHANCEMENT AND COPIER DEVICES, ADAPTERS, AND POWER SUPPLIES); (b) IS USED FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES (INCLUDING RENTAL); (c) IS MODIFIED OR TAMPERED WITH;. So if you modify the system in any way and it needs to be repaired, you better hope you can remove any signs that you modded it if you want the warranty to cover the repair.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 22, 2010, 09:47:12 AM
Pretty sure they're talking about hardware, since even using an SD card to backup your saves and whatnot would be modifying the system. You can look around the internet and find tons of people that have sent in a homebrew-equipped Wii and they've fixed it for them. I've ever read numerous accounts of Nintendo fixing a Wii that had a physical modchip installed, one time (it was a solderless chip, IIRC), they even put it separate in a bag and shipped it back with the console.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 22, 2010, 09:50:27 AM
But they don't have to. If you mod your Wii and they still fix it for free, good for you. They just don't have to if they don't want (and using SD cards are not modding the system since they even mention on the Wii Channels screen that you can use SD cards).
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 22, 2010, 10:04:13 AM
It's still *technically* a modification, I understand that it's a fully supported modification.
About the Black Ops video - that's the first level of the game, and it's basically a 15 minute scripted sequence, so the video is actually pretty stupid. It's obvious when you play that level, and you don't have anything on the HUD but a compass, that your real participation isn't too important.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: broodwars on November 22, 2010, 10:16:16 AM
About the Black Ops video - that's the first level of the game, and it's basically a 15 minute scripted sequence, so the video is actually pretty stupid. It's obvious when you play that level, and you don't have anything on the HUD but a compass, that your real participation isn't too important.
Indeed. I've played through the entire game, and the first level is really the only one like that. An odd design choice to be sure, but it didn't bother me all that much.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: Stratos on November 23, 2010, 09:26:09 PM
I think it is a cool idea. It lets you feel a part of the introduction. Sure beats MGS-scale opening cinematics.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops coming to Wii same day as other systems!
Post by: cubist on November 25, 2010, 12:08:52 PM
ShyGuy's system stopped reading discs and has to be repaired, and my system did the same thing shortly after reaching the hundred-hour mark in Modern Warfare. It is hard to say for sure, but it would seem that the Wii drive may not have been built to withstand this kind of constant streaming.
Yep. I bought my Wii at launch. Just had the drive replaced last summer. It started making a loud disc spinning sound...and then died.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: Stratos on December 02, 2010, 08:52:26 AM
So I was dropping off a Redbox movie for my family and out of curiosity I checked to see what games they had and discovered Black Ops Wii.
And let me say, it is amazing. I just wrote down my settings from Reflex and punched them in. I few tweaks later and I'm in business. The game definitely feels more balanced. It's fast-paced and very fun. The customization of your perks and weapons is awesome. The game feels a big laggier but I did bump down my internet speed to save some money. I'm gonna try and raise it back up this month on a new deal so those issues should be resolved. Graphics do seem a bit simple. Seems like they didn't use too many advanced textures.
The shotgun actually seems to hit people now. And Nuketown is an awesome map.
Also, the game is going for $40 at my local Wal-Mart. If it weren't so close to Christmas I'd be more tempted to splurge my food money on it. But around this time of year it's understood in my family that you don't buy anything for yourself that someone else could have already gotten you as a gift.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: Retro Deckades on December 02, 2010, 01:05:06 PM
Meh. I already own Reflex Edition. I really don't see why I would need another COD/war game.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: MegaByte on December 02, 2010, 01:28:12 PM
Pretty sure they're talking about hardware, since even using an SD card to backup your saves and whatnot would be modifying the system. You can look around the internet and find tons of people that have sent in a homebrew-equipped Wii and they've fixed it for them. I've ever read numerous accounts of Nintendo fixing a Wii that had a physical modchip installed, one time (it was a solderless chip, IIRC), they even put it separate in a bag and shipped it back with the console.
They changed their policy about a year ago. Now they scan for any traces of homebrew/modified system files even for unrelated repairs.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: KDR_11k on December 03, 2010, 02:35:04 PM
Is CoDBlOps way, way better than CoDMW2? Otherwise it's not better than Golden Eye.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 03, 2010, 02:55:19 PM
Don't know what that's supposed to mean. The general consensus is that codblops has better multiplayer than Goldeneye...so that makes it better in my book.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: KDR_11k on December 03, 2010, 03:31:00 PM
GE is just much more fun to play than MW2, haven't played BlOps.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: broodwars on December 03, 2010, 03:42:12 PM
Is CoDBlOps way, way better than CoDMW2? Otherwise it's not better than Golden Eye.
IMO, both Black Ops and Goldeneye have better singleplayer than Modern Warfare 2. I don't play their multiplayer modes, so I'd rank them as follows: Black Ops > Goldeneye > Modern Warfare 2.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: Retro Deckades on December 03, 2010, 03:50:00 PM
IMO, both Black Ops and Goldeneye have better singleplayer than Modern Warfare 2. I don't play their multiplayer modes, so I'd rank them as follows: Black Ops > Goldeneye > Modern Warfare 2.
It probably depends on your play style, too. From what I've heard, stealth plays a much bigger role in Goldeneye, and I'm the type of gamer who would much rather try to sneak through a level and dispatch guards undetected than rush into the middle of a fire fight.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: broodwars on December 03, 2010, 03:58:18 PM
IMO, both Black Ops and Goldeneye have better singleplayer than Modern Warfare 2. I don't play their multiplayer modes, so I'd rank them as follows: Black Ops > Goldeneye > Modern Warfare 2.
It probably depends on your play style, too. From what I've heard, stealth plays a much bigger role in Goldeneye, and I'm the type of gamer who would much rather try to sneak through a level and dispatch guards undetected than rush into the middle of a fire fight.
Oh I definitely agree: Goldeneye has much better stealth and stealth is more my thing. Goldeneye's campaign, however, wanes in quality towards the end IMO and doesn't have as much variety as Black Ops' does.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: KDR_11k on December 04, 2010, 05:10:07 AM
IMO, both Black Ops and Goldeneye have better singleplayer than Modern Warfare 2. I don't play their multiplayer modes, so I'd rank them as follows: Black Ops > Goldeneye > Modern Warfare 2.
It probably depends on your play style, too. From what I've heard, stealth plays a much bigger role in Goldeneye, and I'm the type of gamer who would much rather try to sneak through a level and dispatch guards undetected than rush into the middle of a fire fight.
Yet the multiplayer requires less stealth than MW2 does, there are more firefights and less "surprise, you're dead!"
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: Stratos on December 04, 2010, 08:02:55 AM
I've not touched Blops single player. Since it is a rental I'm focusing on just my favorite stuff which is online.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 09, 2010, 07:59:56 PM
Ho lee Sheeeeeeit http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2010/12/call-of-duty-black-ops-paces-record-setting-november-video-game-sales/1
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The latest installment in the Call of Duty franchise, Call of Duty: Black Ops had a record-setting launch in November selling 8.4 million copies in the U.S., already cracking the top 10 best-selling games of all time (No. 7), according to the latest sales report by market tracking firm The NPD Group.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: Kytim89 on December 09, 2010, 09:05:46 PM
Ho lee Sheeeeeeit http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2010/12/call-of-duty-black-ops-paces-record-setting-november-video-game-sales/1 (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2010/12/call-of-duty-black-ops-paces-record-setting-november-video-game-sales/1)
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The latest installment in the Call of Duty franchise, Call of Duty: Black Ops had a record-setting launch in November selling 8.4 million copies in the U.S., already cracking the top 10 best-selling games of all time (No. 7), according to the latest sales report by market tracking firm The NPD Group.
A sequel is already in the works. ;)
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: Retro Deckades on December 09, 2010, 10:59:07 PM
Ho lee Sheeeeeeit http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2010/12/call-of-duty-black-ops-paces-record-setting-november-video-game-sales/1 (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2010/12/call-of-duty-black-ops-paces-record-setting-november-video-game-sales/1)
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The latest installment in the Call of Duty franchise, Call of Duty: Black Ops had a record-setting launch in November selling 8.4 million copies in the U.S., already cracking the top 10 best-selling games of all time (No. 7), according to the latest sales report by market tracking firm The NPD Group.
If that total includes the DS version, then calling Call of Duty: Black Ops the seventh best "game" of all time would be, as James would put it, patently false.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 10, 2010, 08:53:08 PM
even still, that is still 2+million more than MW2 sold in it's opening month and I doubt that the DS version made up the difference.
It's still a tremendous amount of sales and IW must be pissed that the brand they created continues to do so well without them.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: cubist on December 12, 2010, 02:22:05 AM
So I had a choice between the two today while at Costco...I chose based on this forum. I sure hope my NWR people are right!
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 12, 2010, 07:45:33 AM
Ho lee Sheeeeeeit http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2010/12/call-of-duty-black-ops-paces-record-setting-november-video-game-sales/1 (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2010/12/call-of-duty-black-ops-paces-record-setting-november-video-game-sales/1)
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The DS version didn't crack the top 10, so it's fair to say that its sales will be insignificant in the mix. The latest installment in the Call of Duty franchise, Call of Duty: Black Ops had a record-setting launch in November selling 8.4 million copies in the U.S., already cracking the top 10 best-selling games of all time (No. 7), according to the latest sales report by market tracking firm The NPD Group.
If that total includes the DS version, then calling Call of Duty: Black Ops the seventh best "game" of all time would be, as James would put it, patently false.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 13, 2010, 11:18:18 AM
It's still a tremendous amount of sales and IW must be pissed that the brand they created continues to do so well without them.
Why? They are likely to work on the next one (they usually do every other one). Most consumers don't care about who makes the game, they care more about the COD name than the studio making it.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 13, 2010, 11:19:50 AM
I think BnM was talking about West and Zampella and the rest of the people who left Infinity Ward.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 13, 2010, 11:28:39 AM
I thought that, but I didn't want to assume it. I could imagine them being upset, seeing that fans don't care that they left since the series does well with or without them.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 13, 2010, 11:56:58 AM
I would imagine the vast majority of the 8 million people who bought Black Ops have no idea of the politics involved. Hell, I'll bet a large chunk of them don't even realize there are different development teams for different iterations in the series.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: NeoStar9X on December 17, 2010, 11:07:26 PM
Said I wouldn't do it but I ended up picking up Black Ops again. Bought it three times actually and returned it twice. The third time I tore off the packaging as soon as possible so I couldn't change my mind. :-\
I'll try to keep this short. Online: A rating. When you have a good connection it's fast paced and fun. Maps are a good size and there is a lot of customization. Perhaps to much maybe. I like that you can test out equipment you've unlocked in private matches. Combat training is a nice touch and for a while I was messing around with that when my connection problems arose (had to change my settings from Default to Region). If they continue to patch the game then I see it getting better. I spawned trapped in a rock in one match. I know spawning is being looked at and I hope that never happens again.
Single Player: Poor in my opinion. Frame rate issues. Voices out of sync. Disc drive being pushed very hard from the sound of it. Graphics are only so so. There are better look games on the system. GE is better in this department for sure. Now I only made it to mission 3 and it might get better but I was disappointed by what I saw and experienced. Now maybe my disc drive is going bad on me again (had it replaced back when Brawl came out) but no other game I have works the drive the way this game does during single player. The online doesn't have many of the elements that I believe cause the overworking of the drive during single player. This is a significant part of the game. For me I don't see how this gets anywhere over a B or 8 if you assume the other parts of the game are worth of A praise. I think the online is but I haven't tried out the Zombies mode yet.
I think I'm done with the single player in the end. I'll most likely watch the rest of them online but don't want to deal with the problems I'm getting.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: Stratos on December 26, 2010, 07:12:59 AM
So I'm getting a good chunk of extra pay thanks to holiday work and I plan to get this with my next paycheck. I already got a headbanger since I saw them for sale at Wal-Mart. Didn't get any games for Christmas so looks like I'm footing the bill for this one.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 26, 2010, 10:46:59 PM
It's still a tremendous amount of sales and IW must be pissed that the brand they created continues to do so well without them.
Why? They are likely to work on the next one (they usually do every other one). Most consumers don't care about who makes the game, they care more about the COD name than the studio making it.
I care, because the Treyarch games are (in my opinion) markedly superior to the COD games made by Infinity Ward. Treyarch makes an effort to crack down on boosters and hackers in the game, but Infinity Ward doesn't even give a damn. Infinity Ward introduced tactical insertions which cheating punks exploited all to hell and then they sat on their ass and never did anything about it. Well, Treyarch did something about it in Black Ops. You might not think it matters, but if you've ever played Free For All in MW2 and suddenly had a nuke called in on you by some 12 year old punk letting another 12 year old punk kill him over and over 25 times in a row in order to get that nuke you might understand.
Plus the Treyarch COD games are the ones which have zombies, which is a major plus for me. And I also like that Treyarch supports Nintendo 100% by releasing Black Ops for the Wii on the same day as the other systems. Infinity Ward never gave a damn about Nintendo, and so MW2 never came to the Wii. So if Infinity Ward is pissed and unhappy, then I say good, because they are a bunch of assholes as far as I'm concerned. They can take their booster friendly Nintendo neglecting crappy COD games and shove them where the sun don't shine.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 27, 2010, 03:08:49 PM
I think BnM was talking about West and Zampella and the rest of the people who left Infinity Ward.
was right. I was referring to those that left Activision as now it seems like no one gave a damn and Kotick, who I personally think handled things badly, was in the right to just let things run their course.
CoDBlOps from most accounts seems to be better than MW2 and has already made more money than the last game and no Wii snubbing was done (thanks Treyarch for not being snobby developers who think they are too good to work on hardware that is more capable than last gen but not HD)
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 27, 2010, 03:40:21 PM
Treyarch have always been good for Nintendo systems, sorta like how Vicarious Visions is.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: Stratos on December 27, 2010, 04:52:53 PM
I went to buy the game after work last night but the closest Wal-Mart was sold out. I then went to the one closer to my house and they were charging $50 for it while the previous store was only charging $40. Interestingly, Goldeneye was $40 at the second store and $50 at the first. Strange.
I just went ahead and ordered it online. It's $40 on Amazon.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: Dirk Temporo on December 27, 2010, 05:46:56 PM
You should've just asked if they could price match the other store. They price match competitors and it would be really ridiculous if they didn't match other stores in the area.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 27, 2010, 06:13:16 PM
Since it is another Walmart, it should be no problem (but it would be different for other stores, Walmart will only pricematch advertised prices).
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: Dirk Temporo on December 27, 2010, 06:37:36 PM
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 27, 2010, 06:49:01 PM
That's what the employee told me, you need to have the advertised price if you want them to match it (maybe to make sure it's real, I suppose it's possible the employee I asked might have been mistaken).
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 28, 2010, 12:04:31 AM
Wal-Mart sucks, and they will not price match other Wal-Mart stores (unless it's advertised, and of course if it's a mistake, or if the manager just feels like doing it I suppose), nor will they price match their online prices, which are often a lot less. Most places will price match other stores, but it has to be advertised, and has to be in stock at the closest store that you're trying to price match.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: Stratos on December 28, 2010, 07:40:34 AM
Well, they had Christmas lights in the wrong box and when I contested the price the lady came back and gave me both for the cheaper price since all of the lights were jumbled up in different boxes. It probably depends on the person you are dealing with. As for me, Amazon is the path of least resistance and I don't need it ASAP as my free time is non-existent until boss comes back from vacation. Running a store is no easy task when you don't know how ;)
I bought myself a headbanger while I was Christmas shopping so I'll be all set once the game arrives.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: Mop it up on December 30, 2010, 03:50:11 AM
I bought this game with my Christmas money because I figured you wouldn't be able to resist it. Let me know when you have some free time and we'll blast some ugly army men together.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: Mop it up on January 06, 2011, 04:41:36 AM
Black Ops seems to [load] more aggressively than any other game I've played.
You sure weren't kidding. I just popped the game in for the first time tonight, and it's just crazy how noisy the system gets. It's definitely worse than Modern Warfare, it's literally loading every second. It's simply poor programming, and it does affect how the game plays; there were a few times when my weapon or a piece of the environment were invisible because the graphic model hadn't been loaded in yet.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: NeoStar9X on January 29, 2011, 10:52:48 PM
Black Ops seems to [load] more aggressively than any other game I've played.
You sure weren't kidding. I just popped the game in for the first time tonight, and it's just crazy how noisy the system gets. It's definitely worse than Modern Warfare, it's literally loading every second. It's simply poor programming, and it does affect how the game plays; there were a few times when my weapon or a piece of the environment were invisible because the graphic model hadn't been loaded in yet.
Good to know others are experiencing this issue and see the problem here. Well not good that there are problems just that others see they are there and aren't just dismissing them.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 29, 2011, 11:14:17 PM
Poor programming? More like the Wii has 24MB VRAM (out of it's 88+3 total RAM). To call it poor programming is a pretty big insult, it's pretty amazing what Treyarch was able to pull off.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 29, 2011, 11:16:36 PM
That's what happens when you don't have enough RAM to store everything and have to keep loading things constantly.
Let's hope the Wii2 doesn't suffer from the same oversight.
edit: Ahhh, you beat me since I got caught up in something else instead of hitting the send button.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: Mop it up on January 30, 2011, 09:20:20 PM
Considering there are Wii games with better graphics than this one that don't come close to resorting to constant streaming, it's safe to say it's achievable. I'm not saying it isn't understandable; they wanted the game to be released at the same time as on the other systems so they couldn't take the extra time to optimize it for the Wii. That doesn't mean it isn't poor programming, it just means they didn't have much choice.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 31, 2011, 02:03:52 PM
I'm going to assume that you have absolutely zero knowledge of programming for the Wii and move on.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: Mop it up on January 31, 2011, 06:08:10 PM
I don't need knowledge of programming when the evidence is in the games.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 31, 2011, 07:25:51 PM
Constant loading is not evidence of poor programming, it's evidence of poor hardware. Getting respawned in a floor or in a black background (ala The Conduit) is evidence of poor programming.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: Mop it up on January 31, 2011, 07:41:25 PM
Considering that no other Wii game has to load constantly, including ones which are more impressive than the Wii versions of Call of Duty games, that shows me it must be something to do with the COD games and not the hardware. Whether that counts as some kind of programming or other kind of element that wasn't optimized for the Wii, it doesn't really matter to me, because I look at only the end result. And the end result is a game that loads far more often and aggressively than any other Wii game.
As I said earlier, I understand this is because of the hardware difference between the Wii and the other systems the game appears on, so I'm not really blaming them for it being this way. They wanted to release the game on the same day as the other systems, so they didn't have time to fully optimize the port to run its best on Wii hardware. Personally, I would be fine with waiting a little longer so the game wasn't a hazard to the Wii drive, but I'm sure I'm in the minority on that.
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Post by: NeoStar9X on January 31, 2011, 11:12:28 PM
Well I jumped back into the fire. :-\ I saw it at $30 on Amazon.com, used, plus I had some credit left. I figured at that price I can justify getting it for the online (multiplayer, combat training, and zombies) only. I'm not touching the single player. I also have a Wii Lens Cleaning Kit (from Nintendo.com) coming as well. I had my drive replaced as I said around Brawl's release due to it making noise but I'm curious if my disc drive lens might be dirty. That the game works the drive hard is universal unless you have it installed on a SD card. However the sync issues people have said they didn't have. So it makes wonder if my drive is going bad or if my lens is dirty and if it's not reading as well as it should. I don't have audio issues with other games but then other games aren't working the drive the way Black Ops was. Perhaps a dirty lens combined with the streaming is the issue. Only one way to tell. If anything I get a clean lens in the end.
I would just like something different then GoldenEye 007 Wii (still feel this the better overall game) and Bad Company 2 on the PC in terms of a FPS and a online mulitplayer. The delay for Conduit 2 has caused me to cross that off my list. I don't think I'll be getting that now. If it wasn't for that I wouldn't be getting this again. This also could very well be the last 3rd party game I get as I'm going to focus on Nintendo published games on the Wii for the foreseeable future once the 3DS comes out.
Something else. I originally had my Wii standing vertical. After I got rid of the game the last time I started laying it down in a horizontal position just for the hell of it. I am curious if this is a factor at all in how the game runs. Majority of people will have it standing up.
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Post by: Stratos on February 01, 2011, 06:28:44 AM
Be sure to post your FC and I'll add you. I am pretty erratic in playing times but if you mention when you are online I'll try to hop on if I see it.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 01, 2011, 02:19:48 PM
Considering that no other Wii game has to load constantly, including ones which are more impressive than the Wii versions of Call of Duty games, that shows me it must be something to do with the COD games and not the hardware. Whether that counts as some kind of programming or other kind of element that wasn't optimized for the Wii, it doesn't really matter to me, because I look at only the end result. And the end result is a game that loads far more often and aggressively than any other Wii game.
As I said earlier, I understand this is because of the hardware difference between the Wii and the other systems the game appears on, so I'm not really blaming them for it being this way. They wanted to release the game on the same day as the other systems, so they didn't have time to fully optimize the port to run its best on Wii hardware. Personally, I would be fine with waiting a little longer so the game wasn't a hazard to the Wii drive, but I'm sure I'm in the minority on that.
The Wii versions of Black Ops was said to be built from the ground up, it's not a port. Which games are you talking about for Wii that are more impressive? Also, I do Wii repairs at a local repair shop, it's usually the laser that goes, and not the motor, and even then, Wii's probably make up 5% of our business compared with PS3 and Xbox 360, so it really shouldn't be a concern that the drive is being used. I'm pretty sure the drive's job is to read data off of a disc in the first place.
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Post by: ShyGuy on February 01, 2011, 05:08:11 PM
My Wii was Horizontal when Cod Blops ate the drive. I still need to send it off... :(
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: Mop it up on February 01, 2011, 05:43:53 PM
I figured at that price I can justify getting it for the online (multiplayer, combat training, and zombies) only.
If you're going to be playing multiplayer then I hope you'll drop me a line. I'd like to play with some NWR folk but the only person I've ever seen online is Stratos.
Something else. I originally had my Wii standing vertical. After I got rid of the game the last time I started laying it down in a horizontal position just for the hell of it. I am curious if this is a factor at all in how the game runs. Majority of people will have it standing up.
I asked about it a little while ago in this topic: http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=32062.msg627457#msg627457 There weren't many responses but it doesn't look like placement makes a difference.
Which games are you talking about for Wii that are more impressive?
Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2, Zelda: Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime 3 (even the GameCube ones) Battalion Wars II, Red Steel (both), The Conduit, Dead Space Extraction, etc. It's just my opinion of course, but Black Ops doesn't seem like it should be so resource-intensive as to require constant streaming.
I'm pretty sure the drive's job is to read data off of a disc in the first place.
It sounds like it strains to read this game, it makes noises I've not heard during any other game. It seems to me the drive wasn't meant to be loading every waking second.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 01, 2011, 08:33:20 PM
I think it's pretty obvious how the system is supposed to handle game playback given that it has no cache (or very little) on the 512MB flash memory. Sure some of those games look nice, but none of them have as much going on as Black Ops, especially in multiplayer. Dead Space extraction is an on-rails shooter, so it loads what it needs to and then moves onto the next part. The Conduit mainly consists of corridors that look exactly the same (to decrease loading times I believe is how High Voltage explained that), Red Steel 1 isn't even in the same ballpark, Red Steel 2 is pretty laid back (from what I've seen, admittedly I've never played it). Twilight Princess is a direct port of a GameCube game, so obviously it's not as demanding as Black Ops and doesn't need to use any more resources than the GameCube version (besides what it takes to run the Wii controls). Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 both look fantastic, but again, they don't have nearly as much going on as Black Ops, and a lot of the loading is hidden when you fly to different parts of the levels. Metroid Prime 1 and 2, again, GameCube games, not nearly as taxing as Black Ops, Metroid Prime 3 probably started on the GameCube too.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: Mop it up on February 01, 2011, 08:47:50 PM
Have you played Black Ops on the Wii?
I don't really see what kind of things it has going on that other games don't. It's got environments with characters shooting. So do many of the games I mentioned. Battalion Wars II in particular can have over a hundred units onscreen, all shooting away. Black Ops doesn't seem like anything special to me, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
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Post by: GK on February 01, 2011, 11:57:26 PM
If you're going to be playing multiplayer then I hope you'll drop me a line. I'd like to play with some NWR folk but the only person I've ever seen online is Stratos.
I've been on but you're always too busy when I see you.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 02, 2011, 12:59:36 AM
Black Ops seems to [load] more aggressively than any other game I've played.
You sure weren't kidding. I just popped the game in for the first time tonight, and it's just crazy how noisy the system gets. It's definitely worse than Modern Warfare, it's literally loading every second. It's simply poor programming, and it does affect how the game plays; there were a few times when my weapon or a piece of the environment were invisible because the graphic model hadn't been loaded in yet.
That might be a bad thing for the disc drive to be constantly loading from the disc. Might make it wear out quicker. But yeah, I don't think its poor programming. Its just that the Wii hardware is being stretched to its limit more or less to be able to handle the game.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: NeoStar9X on February 02, 2011, 08:33:54 AM
I don't buy the idea that Black Ops is doing so much more compared to other games. It's recent so I'll use Goldeneye once again. There is a LOT going on screen in that game as well at any given time. You know I think the infinite spawning that takes place in CoD games might actually be part of the negative for the single player. As for the multiplayer there are a number of people shooting, etc but you are in a static environment. There is very limited environmental destruction that takes place. Why it should stress the drive I don't understand. This is why when I played I felt things were worse during the single player and I (I could not be remembering correctly) felt things were okay online when it came to how it worked the system. We'll see I guess.
I'll be sure to add my code when I start playing again.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 02, 2011, 10:59:55 AM
You're in a static, but very large environment. And yes, I have played Black Ops on the Wii, I have the game, but I installed it to my USB hard drive.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: NeoStar9X on February 07, 2011, 10:56:10 PM
Hmm. I am noticing a difference from when I originally played after during the system horizontally and using the Wii Lens Cleaning Kit from Nintendo. Only redid the first level. It seems I actually deleted my save information when I was cleaning out saves from games I no longer have or rented. Still I guess I'll need to do the second level to really be sure as that is where I had the most problems.
Here's my code though.
NeoStar9X - 2061-1049-0813
I don't have a mic however, at least not yet. Still deciding if I want to get one. I've had my audio own though to hear others. So far not to bad. I expected more cursing but even with the mic I guess many are focusing on playing instead of talking.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: Kytim89 on February 08, 2011, 09:43:52 PM
I would not mind if Activision did another World at War title but with today's geopolitical land scape in mind. Imagine fighting a Modern Warfare style CoD centered around a second war in Korea or perhaps a major war in the Middle East. They could have a pacific theatre like the WW2 campaign, but this time against China and not Japan. Throw in a little bit of Black Ops in the other parts of the world and we have a setting for a World War 3 video game.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 09, 2011, 02:57:21 AM
I would not mind if Activision did another World at War title
This is the only part of your post I agreed with. I'm sick of this perpetual modern warfare bullshit. Even now they are working on Modern Warfare 3, as if MW1 and MW2 weren't enough. Get the **** out of modern **** damnit! Either go back to WW2 or do something new and original like COD: American Civil War or something. Its like the franchise is like a record stuck in a loop where it can't get out of a certain era and it gets beat to death with the same exact guns and **** over and over and over and over again. Black Ops was a somewhat refreshing change of pace as it is set during the Vietnam war era, so its not WW2 or Modern Warfare but something half way inbetween, but now that that's been done its time to move on to something else. How about a COD: Peloponnesian War? I'd buy it.
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Post by: that Baby guy on February 09, 2011, 03:08:11 AM
Call of Duty: THIS IS SPARTA!
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: Mop it up on February 09, 2011, 03:15:21 AM
Call of Cthulhu: Medieval Warfare
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: GK on February 09, 2011, 09:37:31 AM
An American Civil War COD? I suppose calling a cavalry charge or cannon fire would work as good kill streaks but everyone would be using sleight of hand while using muskets.
Wouldn't mind seeing a WWI COD or more Pacific action in WWII.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on February 09, 2011, 10:38:20 AM
I think the reason publishers have said they haven't done a WWI game before is because it was pretty boring for the most part. Most of the war was sitting in trencholes, which doesn't make for an exciting game.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 09, 2011, 12:55:54 PM
An American Civil War COD? I suppose calling a cavalry charge or cannon fire would work as good kill streaks but everyone would be using sleight of hand while using muskets.
A Gatling gun could fill in for the sentry gun/death machine. Hot air balloons were used during the civil war for recon, so that could fill in for the role of UAV.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: Mop it up on February 11, 2011, 12:16:31 AM
I've been on but you're always too busy when I see you.
Really? Did you try to join or send a text message?
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: NeoStar9X on February 11, 2011, 12:41:00 AM
The most annoying thing about these games is that sometimes can be really good while others you just end up sucking completely. Finding a decent middle ground doesn't appear often. If it wasn't for the hardline perk in BO I'd be stuck getting nothing but spy planes. Ugh. I think I'm going to limit my highest to care package from now on. That's as far as I'm able to get in terms of kill streaks and even then it's luck sometimes. That and learning which weapons work best on which maps. Only have a SMG (Mp5K) and Assault Rifle (Famas or Gail) custom classes setup. I think I need to setup more.
That and not play so much. Since getting the game I've put in several hours and have made it to level 31 or 32. Was doing well but not not so much in the last few hours. I think I hit a point, very quickly, where I need to take a break and then come back to the game later on in a fresh state. Same happen with GoldenEye online as well though no where as fast. Guess the faster placing in BO was a factor. Hit that point with Bad Company 2 (PC). Guess it's time to give more time to Monster Hunter Tri like I had been planing. :)
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Post by: GK on February 11, 2011, 12:56:48 AM
The most annoying thing about these games is that sometimes can be really good while others you just end up sucking completely.
Try different modes like the objective matches. I tend to suck in a regular TDM but in Bare Bones I can rack up loads of kills. Guessing the player quality diminishes or something.
The most annoying thing about these games is that sometimes can be really good while others you just end up sucking completely.
Try different modes like the objective matches. I tend to suck in a regular TDM but in Bare Bones I can rack up loads of kills. Guessing the player quality diminishes or something.
Guess it's time to give more time to Monster Hunter Tri like I had been planing. :)
We'd be glad to have you. :)
Have been planning to try Domination again. Only did one match and while I died a fair number of times (kills isn't really the goal but controlling the flags) I had fun. I think that might be more my style as I've been playing Battlefield: Bad Company 2 a lot on the PC. The two major modes there are Conquest and Rush. Both involve taking objectives. In Rush you take two objectives and push on to the next set as the defenders retreat back to those. You do this about three times till you get to the fourth and final set. If all the attackers lives are used up (you have a set number when attacking each set that gets reset once they are taken) the match is over. Conquest is just one giant capture the flag but you have three different points that have to be taken and defended. Both sides have a number of tickets (lives) that get used up as both sides die. Domination seems like this yet on a much smaller scale and less tactical by comparison. Get points by controlling the flags the longest time and that's what's important.
I have been curious about the other modes as well. TDM is what I've been playing. Might try Mercenary instead and the others too. Bare Bones sounds interesting as well.
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Post by: GK on February 11, 2011, 01:35:28 AM
Yeah, that's my outlook when I play objectives too. If I die while holding the line in headquarters then I did my part more so than the guy camping on the other side of the map that has a dozen kills, no deaths, & no defends/captures(it happens).
Mercenary is just TDM with no mic chat during the matches. It's also away to avoid groups of allies teaming up together.
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Post by: NeoStar9X on February 11, 2011, 04:34:56 PM
Home early from work today so I hopped on to test something out. Played a few rounds of TDM and then did one Domination round. Well two really but I came into the end of a Dom match first. Even though we lost both times I found them more satisfying. I've noticed a difference in the players as well. Granted this is just based on three matches I've played. It's a lot less chaotic. The pacing is slower or at least seems slower. Having attentions split between three or two different points of interest adds to that I think. The slowness, at least compared to the normal frantic pace in TDM, is better in my opinion. That the population is lower leads me to think (could be wrong) it attracts a different style of player to some degree.
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Post by: Stratos on February 12, 2011, 06:23:32 AM
I haven't played domination of Black Ops yet. Next time I get on I may give it a try.
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Post by: NeoStar9X on February 13, 2011, 11:17:45 PM
Yup. Been playing the single player for some reason. Just finished the Kowloon mission. Still doesn't play as well it should. There is still slow down, etc. The game is fun though and the story is interesting. However GoldenEye still has it beat solidly in presentation. There are some equally action filled scenes and GE just runs so much better and looks better at the same time. CoD:BO's graphics are all over the place. Up till now I've been playing mostly the multiplayer but I'm actually enjoying the single player (problems in all) more I'm finding. Killing other players gets old after a while and a scripted events can be exciting in their own way. If they do make another Call of Duty game on the Wii I would hope Activision would actually have Eurocom do the Wii version. Or at the very least use the engine Eurocom created. Who actually owns that? Eurocom or Activision?
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Post by: Mop it up on March 07, 2011, 06:32:43 PM
The best thing to do in this game is to sneak up on players and plant a Claymore right behind them. BOOM! Helps if you use the Ghost perk.
Too bad the minigun isn't an actual killstreak reward and only appears randomly in care package crates, it's a lot of fun too.
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Post by: GK on March 08, 2011, 12:49:32 AM
You mean the sentry gun? You can buy it & set it to appear. Your killstreaks are customizable. I had the RC XD for a while but I got tired of accidentally blowing myself up.
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Post by: Caliban on March 08, 2011, 02:10:25 AM
By minigun, she means the Death Machine.
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Post by: Stratos on March 08, 2011, 03:54:19 AM
Played CTF last night and had a blast. I earned the marathon pro perk after like 2-3 matches.
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Post by: Mop it up on March 12, 2011, 07:33:54 PM
Yeah, Caliban's got it. I knew it had some silly nonsensical name. The sentry gun can be helpful but it isn't something fun to use. There's also a quad rocket launcher that also only appears randomly in crates, which is also a lot of fun. I've gotten it only once, though...
You mean the sentry gun? You can buy it & set it to appear. Your killstreaks are customizable. I had the RC XD for a while but I got tired of accidentally blowing myself up.
I did that the first time I used it, but I've gotten the hang of it. I would use it sometimes, but the Spy Plane helps me out a lot more with my play style.
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Post by: Caliban on March 12, 2011, 08:37:13 PM
It's just a massive bullet hell if you're playing Sharpshooter (Wager Match) and the Death Machine pops up in a round. Fun times.
Your stats from playing the normal matches don't get affected. You will only lose CoD points from betting.
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Post by: Mop it up on March 14, 2011, 06:40:30 PM
So you don't earn XP then? I'll pass. CoD points are plentiful enough from the standard match types.
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Post by: Caliban on March 15, 2011, 01:16:53 AM
I play wager matches because they're fun to play with friends. A lot of cursing, and laughing are had due to the zaniness that happens, specially in Stick and Stones.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on March 16, 2011, 08:03:10 PM
Don't know if anybody have had any problems with the game but here is some details on the patches for the Wii Version.
• Fixed issue where players were taking damage from falls with Light Weight Pro equipped • Fixed an issue where leader board would go into hang state if the user has 50+ allies • Enemy turrets now glow when the hacker pro perk is equipped • Team mates who are in your party will show up as blue on your mini map • Improvements made in the matchmaking service • Prevention of exploit that allowed players to keep custom classes and killstreaks after prestige. • Flak Jacket Pro will now protect against napalm strikes • Contracts will now reset when a player prestiges • Melee attack radius has been optimized • Spawn points have been adjusted in Havana – this should prevent the spawn killing in the Demolition game type • Player can no longer load the thunder gun manually – Matches PS360 functionality • Zombies Melee damage has been adjusted to match PS360 behavior • Fixed issue where the player can complete "The Shortcut" challenge by climbing down a tall ladder • Improved Zombie pathing. Zombies should no longer switch directions randomly, teleport through floors, walls, etc. • Fix for the 3 weapon exploit when using the last grenade • Implemented a way to create a new private party while in a public lobby for when the lobby leader has disbanded the private party. • Fix to prevent a player from re-rolling the SAM or Sentry drops • Resolved issues where the player could leave the following maps: Havana, Summit, Hanoi • Second Chance – players that put an enemy into Second Chance are now credited for a full kill once that enemy dies. If another player kills the enemy while the enemy is in Second Chance, they will get assist credit.
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Post by: Stratos on March 17, 2011, 06:19:16 AM
I'm liking the new patch. My Wii freezes a lot less now.
Also, the kill credit correction is a godsend. I got tired of trying to be respectful and not killing wounded enemies while other people swept in and stole the kill. It is sometimes necessary since they are still lethal but it was obvious at times people were just trying to snipe kills. The game also just seems to run a lot smoother.
It's too bad they haven't added those extra zombie maps yet. Apparently they were promised to come eventually. Maybe next update.
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Post by: Mop it up on March 17, 2011, 06:44:30 PM
I was just about to post that list. There are definitely a few welcome updates there, most notably the one about Second Chance. It was annoying to mow down a tough guy and then have a bumbling teamie come out from hiding only to toss a random flashbang and get the kill. Having buddies be blue is nice, it's easier to find Stratos now and follow him around, protecting me by going first so he gets shot and then I know where the enemy is. Also, I've noticed less people use the SAM Turret now that it can no longer be re-rolled by Hardline Pro.
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Post by: NeoStar9X on March 20, 2011, 11:05:50 PM
Finally finished the game this weekend. It certainly gets better but the just makes the beginning that much more of a disappointment. The is can be so inconsistent at times. Laying my Wii flat also helped I think. Decent enough overall but bad first impression I feel. I'd be willing to play through it again at a later date or even check out a sequel if it continued the storyline but I think I'm pretty much Call of Duty'd out. Just trying to max out my online profile again. Level 41 against as prestiging once. Not doing it again. Once I'm level 50 again I think this will go back on the shelf. Now on to other games. :)
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Post by: Stratos on March 21, 2011, 03:58:53 AM
When are you online, NeoStar? We should play sometime. I've prestiged once and am close to where you are now in rank.
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Post by: NeoStar9X on March 21, 2011, 10:43:16 PM
Usually in the evenings (EST) close and during the weekends usually. I'll most likely be playing again this Friday.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 22, 2011, 04:59:42 AM
Also, I've noticed less people use the SAM Turret now that it can no longer be re-rolled by Hardline Pro.
What sucks about that and the sentry gun are they have to be airdropped in which is not only a hassle, but also creates the possibility of the enemy stealing the crates. Its bad enough to lose a killstreak reward because of it being destroyed, but to have the enemy steal it and then turn it against you is even more infuriating.
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Post by: Silenced on March 22, 2011, 05:55:57 PM
The original GoldenEye is significantly better than its Wii version.
And since Black Ops is a kickass game... well, title says it all.
But even CoD won't do the Wii's controls for FPS's any justice. They're crappy (IMO).
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Post by: Mop it up on March 23, 2011, 06:11:44 PM
Once I'm level 50 again I think this will go back on the shelf. Now on to other games. :)
You can't leave until we've had a nice round! I've seen you only once, joined you, and then you left after one match. It would be nice to have a nice round together and see how we do, you seem fairly good from your stats so together we might do well.
What sucks about that and the sentry gun are they have to be airdropped in which is not only a hassle, but also creates the possibility of the enemy stealing the crates.
I wouldn't mind that if the crates didn't appear on the enemies' radar too, so you're basically asking them to come and spank you.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 23, 2011, 07:15:06 PM
I'm okay with the Care Package killstreak being stealable, because that's meant to be a gamble and whatever it contains is going to be random anyway so if you use that is your killstreak you are basically gambling and if someone can steal it that just adds to the gambling aspect of it. But I strongly believe every other killstreak should NOT be stealable or even require an airdrop. Once you earn an RC car you instantly have it without any airdrop. The Sentry Gun and SAM Turret should also be like that. Not to mention that both of these are easy for the enemy to destroy or hack, so why go any further than that? The Sentry gun is epecially bad because it requires a killstreak of 6, so you combine that with all the hassles and risks associated with it and almost no one ever wants to bother with it. So I wish Treyarch would do something in a patch to address this.
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Post by: NeoStar9X on March 23, 2011, 10:38:48 PM
Would be great to play with others from here. I know I'll be on this Friday after I get home from work. So between 7pm to midnight EST.
Having a sentry gun stolen is a real pain. I've gotten good at taking them out but still a pain. There are some maps where if they come up I quickly change that and the general care package kill streak. Nuketown and Havana for example is far to risky for care packages I found when you have a good game going. Firing Range is another as there are really only two places you can call them down. One can be somewhat safe (near the target dummies) and the other is the one area that is out in the open. I only call down there if I can get a attack helicopter at the same time (rare on that map for me). I put that thing right above the spot and then call down the package or gun.
I have recently been taking to shooting down spy planes.
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Post by: Stratos on March 24, 2011, 01:17:20 AM
I kinda like that the enemy can see the packages. It's a great bait and you wait while the enemy comes charging to stop you from a corner and mow them down as they try to take it.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: Mop it up on March 24, 2011, 01:32:47 AM
That's all they are good for on some maps, where it's too risky to try to get them. But I'd still rather have what's inside. The crate should appear only if they have a Spy Plane up.
I try to shoot the planes on smaller maps, I never can find them on larger ones. I have that rocket launcher that can fire only at aircraft on a couple of my classes.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 24, 2011, 01:58:27 AM
I hate having a care package when I'm playing domination and my team is getting dominated. If the other team has all three checkpoints then you really don't have any safe territory where you can call it in. Also if you're being dominated it likely also means the other team has helicopters and other things going on which means you aren't going to survive long to be able to call it in anyway. And that's really unfortunate, because when you are being dominated that's when you REALLY need a random care package the most.
As for Sentry Guns, I played a game earlier tonight which epitomized everything that sucks about them. Someone on the other team called one in and I shot him and stole it from him, and then I placed it somewhere I thought was safe but I only managed to get one kill with it before an enemy got behind it and destroyed it with a single knife attack. I mean, this is a 6 killstreak we're talking about here. That's one kill higher than the Napalm Strike which is likely to be much more effective. In my opinion the Napalm Strike and Sentry Gun should swap places.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: Dasmos on March 24, 2011, 07:04:04 AM
That's the point about care packages, they're a trade-off. You're able to get all these great killstreaks without actually having to earn them, but there's a chance it can get stolen, get stuck on a roof, get a crappy spy plane etc.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 24, 2011, 03:28:53 PM
That's the point about care packages, they're a trade-off. You're able to get all these great killstreaks without actually having to earn them, but there's a chance it can get stolen, get stuck on a roof, get a crappy spy plane etc.
Yeah, and I'm okay with that... I just don't think that should be the case with sentry guns or sam turrets. Care packages fine, but not anything else.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: Mop it up on March 24, 2011, 06:05:44 PM
Some of the killstreak rewards just aren't very well balanced. I don't think that the bomber or Blackbird are worth 8 kills; the former doesn't seem any more potent than a Napalm Strike and the latter doesn't work the way it is supposed to in the Wii version due to a glitch.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: NeoStar9X on March 26, 2011, 08:01:16 AM
I think Napalm Strike, Mortar, and the bomber are wasted in a game without landscape and building damage. I guess I've played far to much Battlefield: Bad Company 2 but those kill streaks scream environmental destruction. However if Call of Duty had that they'd have to be the hardest to get since they would change the landscape.
Good playing with you Mop. Hopefully we can do it again. That first game was bad though. Glad that group left. Things were more fair after that.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 26, 2011, 08:35:25 AM
Rolling Thunder WILL kill enemies hiding inside buildings. It would be nice if the buildings themselves were leveled in the process, though. I remember in WaW you could use the Flamethrower to incinerate vegetation on certain multiplayer maps and it would stay charred and ruined for the rest of the match. This was actually a useful feature because on certain maps enemy players could blend into the foliage and just camp there and be almost impossible to see, but if you burned that you wiped out their hiding spot and their ghillie suit would stand out. But that's as far as it went... you couldn't burn down buildings or anything like that.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: NeoStar9X on March 26, 2011, 09:28:40 AM
That's what I love about Bad Company 2. Being able to bring down buildings and destroying trees can change the whole dynamic of a match. There is one rush map where you come down through a tree line to attack two objectives. The defenders can literally destroy all the trees leaving the attackers completely exposed making it down near impossible for them to win. You have people hiding in a building? Instead of rushing the building just bring it down via rockets, mortars, or tanks. Just blow a hole in one side and rush in. Stop that tank? Destroy the bridges it will use forcing it and other players to go in another direction where you can take it out at will. I find CoD matches boring by comparison. I'm looking forward to Battlefield 3. ;D
Sadly the Wii couldn't handle something like. Even the 360 and PS3 versions of Bad Company have a lower number of players and I think smaller maps then the PC version too.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: GK on March 26, 2011, 02:32:44 PM
That's what I love about Bad Company 2. Being able to bring down buildings and destroying trees can change the whole dynamic of a match. There is one rush map where you come down through a tree line to attack two objectives. The defenders can literally destroy all the trees leaving the attackers completely exposed making it down near impossible for them to win. You have people hiding in a building? Instead of rushing the building just bring it down via rockets, mortars, or tanks. Just blow a hole in one side and rush in. Stop that tank? Destroy the bridges it will use forcing it and other players to go in another direction where you can take it out at will. I find CoD matches boring by comparison. I'm looking forward to Battlefield 3. ;D
See, if people had informed me of this sooner, I may have gotten an HD console back when things weren't so financially lame. Flattening an area is the best anti-camper tactic you can ask for. If the stuff doesn't respawn it would be worth using your ammo to remove favorite sniper spots early on just so they can't even get started.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: Mop it up on March 26, 2011, 03:03:40 PM
Nice playing with you both, NeoStar9X and GK. Yeah, sometimes you'll run into a party who's pretty annoying, but at least you can leave and relocate with your party now. Perhaps I'll catch you another time before you max out.
I've never played Pure before, it was certainly interesting. My set classes weren't the greatest for it though, since some of them relied on attachments and perks to make the weapon worthwhile, and others had the aircraft-only rocket launcher, which is useless in that mode. It's also harder to find enemies when a Spy Plane never goes airborne. I can see why you like it though, it is definitely much more calm that the normal modes.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: NeoStar9X on March 26, 2011, 03:31:01 PM
That's what I love about Bad Company 2. Being able to bring down buildings and destroying trees can change the whole dynamic of a match. There is one rush map where you come down through a tree line to attack two objectives. The defenders can literally destroy all the trees leaving the attackers completely exposed making it down near impossible for them to win. You have people hiding in a building? Instead of rushing the building just bring it down via rockets, mortars, or tanks. Just blow a hole in one side and rush in. Stop that tank? Destroy the bridges it will use forcing it and other players to go in another direction where you can take it out at will. I find CoD matches boring by comparison. I'm looking forward to Battlefield 3. ;D
See, if people had informed me of this sooner, I may have gotten an HD console back when things weren't so financially lame. Flattening an area is the best anti-camper tactic you can ask for. If the stuff doesn't respawn it would be worth using your ammo to remove favorite sniper spots early on just so they can't even get started.
Haven't played the console versions of the game but I do play the PC version. Yup trees, buildings, etc don't respawn. Mounted guns and rocket lauchers do but only if the location they were originally located remains. So if they are on top of a trailer or in a building window and those locations are destroyed they don't come back. Vehicles do respawn though. Sometimes it really is worth running through your ammo to bring down a building or destroying cover even if you die. The game is more tactical then CoD as well.
I have been curious about the barebones mode.
Title: Re: Call of Duty Black Ops Wii > Goldeneye ;)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 26, 2011, 04:31:40 PM
I would really like to flatten a certain tower near where "A" is on Domination on the map called "Array". If any of you have ever played on that map you probably know what I'm talking about. Snipers love to get up there and camp and from there they can make it impossible to take "B" as long as they are alive and they are hard to kill up there. I would give anything to be able to turn that tower into a twisted smoldering useless pile of slag.
The tower is such a problem that I strongly feel that the map is severely unbalanced to the point where whoever spawns on the "A" side has an enormous unfair advantage over those who spawn on the "C" side. If you have A and have snipers on that tower odds are highly likely you are going to own B as well and thus win the game. You only need to control 2 out of the 3 checkpoints to win in domination.
