Post by: Aussie on April 18, 2005, 01:48:36 AM
Microsoft recently registered a new website www.banjothreeie.com
For me i hope it's a launch title for Xbox360 becuase it's been over 4 years
since the last Banjo-Kazooie console game that was Banjo-Tooie on N64 
Banjo-Kazooie & Banjo-Tooie were very good Platformer games so i'm hopeing that this new version on XBox360 lives up to the Banjo-Kazooie name
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 18, 2005, 02:21:43 AM
The chance of this game living up to the franchise? *looks over at Grabbed by the Ghoulies* .........*sigh* ;_;
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on April 18, 2005, 03:06:23 AM
Anyway, seeing how Rare's been doing lately...Xbox 360 owners shouldn't be too excited, nor should any of us feel as though we're missing out.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on April 18, 2005, 03:08:27 AM
Can't wait to play this when it's finished in about five years time!
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on April 18, 2005, 03:24:46 AM
If they turn my Banjo into some sort of fur-texture crazy mongoose I'm going to punch someone at Rare for not deliberately going bankrupt the second they got bought by MS.
Post by: Ian Sane on April 18, 2005, 08:36:49 AM
Still it would be a smart move by MS to have Banjo Threeie be a launch title. Mario very likely will be a Cube launch title and with Banjo MS is "cancelling exclusives". Now obviously Mario has a lot more selling power and serious platformer fans would pick Mario first but it would a good way to keep the casuals on the Xbox 360. If you own a 360 and Mario catches your eye Banjo might be good enough to keep you from buying a Revolution. Sure Mario would be better but Banjo could sufficient enough to satisfy your platformer needs and keep you from buying another console. By providing an alternative MS can keep a few platformer fans from jumping ship (similar to what Crash Bandicoot did on the Playstation).
Post by: KDR_11k on April 18, 2005, 08:42:32 AM
Post by: Savior on April 18, 2005, 10:40:30 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 18, 2005, 10:59:15 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
In other news, Rare decide to change their name to "Common Sequel Machine".
What's sad is that Rare is still just working on games that were already "announced" for the Gamecube...
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on April 18, 2005, 05:55:08 PM
Post by: kennyb27 on April 18, 2005, 06:06:53 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 18, 2005, 06:14:10 PM
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Originally posted by: TheYoungerPlumber
Since when was Kameo moved to the Xbox 360?
I was just basing off assumptions, sorry...Not only have there rumours of it being pushed back, but there really isn't any timeframe for Rare to release it on the XBox with Conker coming out in June...
Post by: nitsu niflheim on April 19, 2005, 03:30:54 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on April 19, 2005, 08:32:08 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on April 19, 2005, 10:02:53 AM
I think Rare is getting back at Microsoft for their comments on them putting out 5 games a year. Just when a game is getting close, the decide to work on it some more, and more means when Hell freezes over for the most part.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on April 19, 2005, 10:32:45 AM
I'd buy that in a second regardless of shoddy reviews. I played the first killer instinct on an SNES emulator day in and day out for 3 weeks......this was at school of course.
Killer Instinct Gold for 64 hit the spot...now this....I need this game.
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on April 19, 2005, 11:47:19 AM
Post by: Galford on April 19, 2005, 03:39:54 PM
PD was one of three reasons I bought a N64.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 19, 2005, 04:44:44 PM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on April 19, 2005, 06:03:36 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on April 20, 2005, 02:52:48 AM
Post by: RABicle on April 20, 2005, 06:02:54 AM
And there have been rumours that Rare have had prototype 3D Killer Instinct games as far back as 1999. Like Banjo 3, it'll never happen. Rare are a myth.
Post by: King of Twitch on April 20, 2005, 02:10:58 PM
RIP Rare
Post by: KDR_11k on April 21, 2005, 07:47:11 AM
Post by: vudu on April 21, 2005, 08:47:56 AM
QuoteYou forgot to mention Shadow The Hedgehog.
Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Hey, perhaps they'll give Banjo a gun and make the game darker like Jak 2 or Ratchet 4.
Post by: joshnickerson on April 22, 2005, 04:41:24 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 22, 2005, 05:52:55 PM
What they make are Conker screenshots.
Post by: mantidor on April 22, 2005, 08:55:39 PM
my first experience with them was Donkey Kong Country 2, and it was so unbelievably awesome! I want that Rare back! why is that every developer shines so much when they are Ninty's second party and die when the go third? imagine every developer becoming second party... oh, gaming heaven ^_^
Post by: Savior on April 22, 2005, 09:20:02 PM
I wonder if the exodus of developers is the reason why we get Grabbed by the ghoulies by rare (Not literally lol) and not quality games. Im anxiously waiting to see Perfect Dark 2, or is it Zero... but it was rumored to be celshaded back on the GCN, and judging from the joanna pics it looks like its still cel chaded. A cel chaded PD would most certainly suck
Post by: kennyb27 on April 23, 2005, 05:21:08 AM
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Originally posted by: Savior
Actually Rare is still a Seccond party.
I actually thought it was a first party of Microsoft now. Hmmm..
QuoteActually, those pics are quite old. So knowing Rare, they probably scrapped the whole game and started over (a couple times) since then. So for all we know, the PD that actually is released might be "teh mAtuRe."
I wonder if the exodus of developers is the reason why we get Grabbed by the ghoulies by rare (Not literally lol) and not quality games. Im anxiously waiting to see Perfect Dark 2, or is it Zero... but it was rumored to be celshaded back on the GCN, and judging from the joanna pics it looks like its still cel chaded. A cel chaded PD would most certainly suck
Post by: ruby_onix on April 23, 2005, 04:19:59 PM
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I actually thought it was a first party of Microsoft now.
If rumors are to be believed, that's part of the problem.
Supposedly, Rare has/had three main "ranks". We can call them "Royals" "Nobles" and "Peasants".
Peasants do all the real work at Rare. It's a lousy job, and very easy to get. People are constantly quitting or getting fired, and Rare is constantly hiring. Your only hope to get ahead is to become friends with a royal.
Nobles organize everything. When something gets done at Rare, it's because of the skill and leadership of the noble, and the number of peasants under his/her command.
The royals are the Stampers, and anyone who's related to them. The Stampers own 51% of Rare, so they literally own Rare. Royals get assigned to take on jobs all over the place, from "noble" positions down to peasants and lowly janitors. But if they have a blood relation to the Stamper family, they automatically outrank everybody in the building, aside from other more-important royals, who are the ones who placed them in those jobs in the first place. Royals are the ones who gave the nobles their positions.
After Perfect Dark was completed, practically all the nobles in the Goldeneye/PD team except Martin Hollis jumped ship, effectively breaking the Goldeneye/PD team. Hollis wanted to rebuild, so the Stampers sent him a royal to serve as the noble in charge of the artwork in the game. She decided to shake things up and do the "Jo-anime Dark" thing, and Hollis broke the unspoken Rare rule and said the "n-word" no to a royal, so he was fired, which supposedly drove the last nail into the coffin of Rare's Goldeneye/PD team, and the peasants were assigned to other projects, except that Rare/MS seems to keep saying that they still have the Goldeneye/PD team, and it's just fine. Better than ever, even.
That's supposedly just "how things worked" at Rare.
But when Microsoft bought Rare, everything got shaken up. The Stampers don't own Rare. So why are they royal? Why do they walk around like they own the place? Why do the programmers keep having to brown-nose a janitor in order to keep their jobs?
It's like, what would happen to the American dollar if someone stole Fort Knox? The Stamper's power base just up and evaporated one day. Microsoft has it. And eveyrone is trying to figure out exactly what that means.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 23, 2005, 04:31:30 PM
Post by: Robotor on April 23, 2005, 05:58:53 PM
And to stay on topic, I never really liked the first Banjo. It was like the adventures of Errand Bear and his oppresed backpack bird.
Post by: killthenet on May 02, 2005, 04:09:59 PM
Which they haven't by the way. Their GBA games are brilliant and the only reason they've taken so long with their X Box games is because they've had to get used to the huge influx of new staff and they've had to learn how to program for a whole new machine. Rare basically doubled in size when Microsoft bought (some of) it, they had to build a whole new development building. I have yet to play Grabbed By The Ghoulies and I don't really like the look of it, but I'm definately going to buy an X Box for Conker, and hopefully Kameo, if not i'll just wait for the 360, i'm sure they'll have plenty more top quality games avaliable for that.
Post by: ruby_onix on May 02, 2005, 05:41:51 PM
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I'd just like to point out that the Stampers still own 51% of Rare, so Rare is very much their own company.
No, the Stampers bought the 49% back from Nintendo, then they sold the whole 100% to Microsoft. Microsoft didn't want Rare unless they could have it outright. Nintendo didn't sell their 49% to Microsoft.
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How do you know all of this "inside information" then ruby_onix? Have you ever worked at Rare? Have you ever spoken to an employee of Rare? Or are you just spouting hearsay because "Rare betrayed us, and now they've gone crap!!!"
As I said, internet rumors. Rare is a big company. You don't have to go very far before bumping into people who claim to be former employees of Rare, and are quite willing to bitch about them, off the record. And I haven't seen anyone with similar authority ever try to deny these things.
I never said it was the truth (although it could be). It just needed to be said as an explanation for how "going first party" may be hurting Rare.
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Which they haven't by the way. Their GBA games are brilliant and the only reason they've taken so long with their X Box games is because they've had to get used to the huge influx of new staff and they've had to learn how to program for a whole new machine. Rare basically doubled in size when Microsoft bought (some of) it, they had to build a whole new development building.
Bah. Rare's productivity has gone to hell. SFA was an N64 port. Kameo was practically supposed to be a GameCube launch title. As was their Donkey Kong (now just "mascot") racing game. Grabbed by the Ghoulies was... something. At least they have that. Conker is an N64 port... with SFA's "fur shading".
Unless Microsoft has gotten Rare to delay just about everything into becoming XBox2 launch titles, Rare needs every excuse at their disposal, multiplied by their legendary lack of productivity, and then we can still bitch about them being at an all-time low right now.
Post by: nemo_83 on May 02, 2005, 06:59:15 PM
Post by: killthenet on May 03, 2005, 04:44:35 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on May 03, 2005, 11:05:40 AM
I admit I was wrong about Rare. From all appearances, Nintendo was very smart to sell the company: it's had terrible productivity on home consoles and its best work has all been on the GBA. I thought Rare would make a comeback, but it hasn't. Not on home consoles, anyway. But I'm still just naive enough to believe that Rare has been reorganizing the troops and that the company will return in a big way on Xbox 360. Meanwhile, I'm glad I didn't buy an Xbox for Rare.
Post by: KDR_11k on May 04, 2005, 02:30:30 AM
(marketspeak): Adding guns, removing light and filling characters with generic rage.
Post by: Deguello on May 05, 2005, 01:36:45 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 05, 2005, 05:57:57 AM
They gave us 2 potentially 3 great games on the Nintendo 64 and everyone thinks they are gods among developers. They aren't.
Goldeneye
Perfect Dark
and maybe...
Conker
were their only great games.
Blast Corps had some huge flaws in the design and was repetitive and boring.
Banjo was a horribly designed platformer that forced you to repeat levels after you learned new moves, but the new moves didn't really open anything more exciting up. Mario was infinitely better.
Donkey Kong 64 See Banjo
Conker See Banjo, but with humor
Rare is completely overrated, and Grabbed by the Ghoulies proves it. MS hasn't gotten their money's worth yet from them.
Post by: couchmonkey on May 05, 2005, 07:28:50 AM
Post by: killthenet on May 05, 2005, 08:12:32 AM
There is no way they're overrated.
Post by: Artimus on May 05, 2005, 09:01:03 AM
Killer Instinct
Donkey Kong Country 1 + 2
Goldeneye 007
Perfect Dark
Diddy Kong Racing
Good Rare games:
Banjo Kazooie
Star Fox Adventures
SabreWulf
Donkey Kong 64 was too repetitive and boring, especially.
Post by: darknight06 on May 05, 2005, 09:16:19 AM
DKC2 was the best of the DKC series, 1 was good while 3 just felt like they were milking the franchise.
I've never played Conker so I'm not gonna comment on that.
I agree for the most part with Banjo and DK64, though Banjo was a bit better than DK. Rayman 64 was better than both.
Diddy Kong Racing was OK, but nothing spectacular. Even though it had the planes and the watercrafts, it still had this been there done that feeling. That and it bugged the heck out of me that the game 80% of the time ran at a framerate of sub 20.
The KI series as a whole sucked. Yeah it was pretty, but it had some of the most shallow gameplay this side of Mortal Kombat. All you did was block each others opener until someone got hit so you can finish a canned combo. The first KI didn't even have throws. KI2 tried to remedy a lot of this, but it ended up turning into a boring rock-paper-scissors game. Characters felt too similar. Throws were implemented, but they were practically worthless outside of a combo and even then there were much better things you can do. And I'm not even going to get into the infinites. KI Gold removed most of the bugs, but it was still a dead game, now without a lot of the arcade's flash factor . (FMV, full color characters) Overall, Capcom's worst fighting game was still leagues ahead of KI on a whole. If they make another one they're going to have to go back to square one if they want it to be taken seriously these days.
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 05, 2005, 01:53:32 PM
Post by: Savior on May 05, 2005, 03:16:16 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 06, 2005, 04:52:02 AM
Rare makes technically impressive games with great graphics a neat since of humor, but they didn't know how to really push the limits of fun factor and gameplay.
Nintendo helped them with almost all of their games to get that aspect inline, and it took forever because Rare was more focused on the technical achievements. Well, BAH! I don't see it.
Banjo Racing was overrated. It was Kart racing, but you could also fly. The levels were fun when you raced, but it was stupid putting that adventure mode to find the next racing in there. It didn't blend well at all.
Banjo-Kazooie had you wondering around collecting stuff. The early levels were completely stiff because you had like 3 moves until you learned more in later levels. Then to fly you had to collect feathers and such which meant more collecting and then in the air you had to follow set paths to collect more. BAH! I know there was some good stuff in the game, but really it was overrated.
Goldeneye and Perfect Dark were great but how many years did they work on both projects? Yeah exactly...if you can't make a great FPS in that amount of time...and once again Nintendo helped with the game alot.
Conkers was also only popular because of its humor. The game had major design flaws for a Platformer, and too much downtime for stupid jokes and story. It was one of the first platformers to show you can do a game without collecting items, but it wasn't as good as people stated.
Now Rare is off with Microsoft and we see once again they are pushing technical expertise above gaming and gameplay. I predict we will get some amazingly pretty Xbox games or rather Xbox 360 games from them, but magic will be gone.
Post by: Dasmos on May 06, 2005, 05:14:30 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Goldeneye and Perfect Dark were great but how many years did they work on both projects? Yeah exactly...if you can't make a great FPS in that amount of time...and once again Nintendo helped with the game alot.
EVERYONE LOVES GOLDENEYE!!!
What FPS has really come close to goldeneye and perfect dark in terms of pure shoot-out multiplayer gold...........the answer NONE!!! TS came close because it was made by the same people. Halo was good but not great.....it appealed to XBOX fans, because it was the only adequate game on the system.
XBOX guy 1: "THiS GAME r0x0rs"
XBOX guy 2: "Too right darling"
XBOX guy 1: "nE other GaMeZ to plae?"
XBOX guy 2: "Nope none all all SISTA"
XBOX guy 1: "HALOZ BEST GAMEZ EVERZ"
XBOX guy 2: "Come back to bed
"XBOX guy 3: "Yeah!
"Nothing IMO comes close to that rare FPS magixc!!!
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 06, 2005, 05:30:36 AM
Timesplitters: Future Perfect comes close to recapturing that feeling, but I think that game is too fast.
Halo has always been too slow for me. You feel like your guy is barely moving. Its stupid.
Post by: couchmonkey on May 06, 2005, 07:12:39 AM
I personally think that Rare is really good at pushing gameplay limits, but maybe it's just not in a way you like. A lot of their games, like Conker and Battletoads, throw in tons of different types of gameplay which makes them a lot of fun to me.
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 06, 2005, 08:02:14 AM
Eh? Nintendo ALWAYS helps out devs that they are publishing games for...You think Retro Studios magically turned from crap to awesome just because they ate some magic beans?
Yes, Rare used to be really good at pushing gameplay limits...But people fail to understand that the people that used to work there DON'T anymore...Grabbed by the Ghoulies is not "pushing gameplay to its limits"...
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 06, 2005, 08:55:53 AM
I am not saying that Rare is bad. I am saying they are overhyped. Most people rate the best development companies are Nintendo then Rare...or so it seems on these boards.
Rare to me is about as good as an average Konami and Capcom game. Good...yes, potentially great sometimes...but always great, Never.
Post by: Arbok on May 06, 2005, 09:35:20 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
I am not saying that Rare is bad. I am saying they are overhyped. Most people rate the best development companies are Nintendo then Rare...or so it seems on these boards.
I assume you mean during the N64 days around when Perfect Dark was released, I know I haven't heard anyone talk that highly of them in a long time. Even back when they were still a second party. They did a lot of good games during the SNES and N64 days, although their quality even back at the end of the N64's life cycle was starting its slow drop.
Then SFA came along, which pretty much showed people that Rare could still make a great looking and sounding game (love that soundtrack) but they just didn't have it anymore in regards to the gameplay.
Post by: Dasmos on May 06, 2005, 07:16:45 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on May 09, 2005, 03:25:44 AM
Post by: Dasmos on May 09, 2005, 04:01:26 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on May 09, 2005, 08:20:20 AM
But going back to my initial position, it's taste. Rare's games suit my tastes, and yes, I'm a part of the rabid Rare fanbase that even likes the games that scored low in reviews. Objectively speaking, I don't know if Rare is really overrated, or if there just happen to be a lot of Nintendo fans like myself who still love Rare a lot - they're overrated by a certain group of people. I bet if you go and hang out in Sony or even some Xbox forums, you'd get a much more neutral vibe about Rare.
Post by: WesDawg on May 09, 2005, 10:15:09 AM
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Great Rare games: Great Rare games:
Killer Instinct
Donkey Kong Country 1 + 2
Goldeneye 007
Perfect Dark
Diddy Kong Racing
Good Rare games:
Banjo Kazooie
Star Fox Adventures
SabreWulf
Donkey Kong 64 was too repetitive and boring, especially.
The fact that you left out Jet Force Gemini voids your opinion entirely.
Anyways, I really liked Banjo 1. Didn't get very far into 2. I really don't understand all the hate for collecting in Platformers. It never bothered me. In fact, I kinda looked forward to trying to find those last three pieces of ... whatever I was trying to find pieces of. It was challenging. Apparently people just don't like platformers. I don't like football games, or FPSs for that matter. That don't make Perfect Dark a bad game though.
PoP:SoT, now there was a crappy platformer IMO. Straight paths through every level. A single way over obstacles. Repetitive same moves in every room. The more I think about it, the more I think people must be crazy to like what they like and hate what they hate.
Post by: kennyb27 on May 09, 2005, 03:57:03 PM
Great games:
-Banjo-Kazooie (N64)
-Banjo-Tooie (N64)
-Diddy Kong Racing (N64)
-Goldeneye (N64)
-Perfect Dark (N64)
-Banjo-Kazooie: Grunty's Revenge (GBA)
Good games:
-Jet Force Gemini (N64)
-Star Fox Adventures (GCN)
Bad games:
-Donkey Kong 64 (N64)
As you can see, of the games I've played, I liked most of the Rare games that I've played.
EDIT: The more I thought about it, the more I thought BK:GR should be moved to the "Great games" category, I really liked that game. It was just fun.
Post by: MattVDB on May 09, 2005, 10:26:56 PM
Post by: kennyb27 on May 10, 2005, 04:41:52 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 11, 2005, 04:25:55 AM
Then in areas that didn't have this problem it just felt like repeative shooting and gunning.
Post by: couchmonkey on May 11, 2005, 10:13:58 AM
Post by: kennyb27 on May 11, 2005, 02:10:16 PM
QuoteHa. It's funny you mention that, I remember that too.
I couldn't stand the game, because it just felt cheap. Enemies not in your view taking pot shots at you...and not because you forgot they were behind you, but because they were hiding in trees.
Post by: MattVDB on May 11, 2005, 07:19:13 PM
Post by: Aussie Ben PGC on May 11, 2005, 10:26:06 PM
"HELLO TOSH WHAT CAN I DO YOU FOR? HA HA."
And then there were those level names.
We all know about them, right?
Post by: Deguello on May 11, 2005, 11:14:39 PM
Post by: Aussie Ben PGC on May 12, 2005, 03:19:06 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 13, 2005, 04:35:38 AM
The only game series that is forgivable in is Resident Evil, and even then that is only arguably fogivable because of the scare element of horror games.
It really all comes to the feel of the game. A should never feel like it is stacked against. It can feel intense by making the odds seem impossible, but a great player should always be able to beat any part of the game by skill, and not memory of where traps and enemies are.
Post by: MattVDB on May 14, 2005, 02:19:57 PM
Thinking back, I've probably replayed that game more then any other game in the past 6 years, start to finish that is. You do have to give it credit, for what it did wrong, it did a lot of things right. I don't agree with the tribal hunt, but I don't think it as bad as the note collection from the Banjo series, although it is worse then the Prime titles. Eh.
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 14, 2005, 06:46:52 PM
Yoshi's Touch and Go heralds back to some even more traditional game with random levels...and that actually hurts the game. It is still pretty good, but it still hurts it.
Once again though you can still beat the level without getting hurt even playing that level for the first. In fact, since it is a one hit kill game, you completely have to beat the level on one life.
Post by: KDR_11k on May 14, 2005, 08:59:40 PM
Post by: MattVDB on May 14, 2005, 11:03:41 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on May 15, 2005, 11:38:41 PM
Post by: darknight06 on May 16, 2005, 06:56:14 AM
Virtua Fighter 4 right now might be the only game that fits that definition of good.
Post by: KDR_11k on May 16, 2005, 10:06:08 PM
Post by: Djunknown on March 29, 2008, 02:10:50 PM
Banjo Kazooie lives again. (http://www.gamernode.com/news/6399-banjo-kazooie-is-alive-coming-to-the-360-in-2008/index.html)
Post by: DAaaMan64 on March 29, 2008, 04:28:42 PM
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I still believe (my opinion guys) that mascot games should go the way of the dodo. Unless they have a really solid story (which they never do). You don't need some cute character as an excuse for some lame jumping puzzles and coin/star/ring/orb collecting.
ROFL oh man
Post by: Ceric on March 29, 2008, 09:36:38 PM
Post by: Djunknown on March 30, 2008, 11:14:16 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 31, 2008, 12:05:09 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 06, 2008, 12:27:46 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 22, 2008, 11:31:21 PM
(At least, that's when the embargo on Banjo news is up...)
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 22, 2008, 11:34:27 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 22, 2008, 11:36:45 PM
Why am I such a Rare whore? ;_;
Post by: Nick DiMola on May 12, 2008, 11:43:38 PM
Read more about the train wreck here (http://kotaku.com/5008803/banjo-kazooie-3-named-detailed).
Oh and it is now called Banjo Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts.
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 12, 2008, 11:45:00 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 13, 2008, 12:39:48 AM
Ok not really
Post by: Locke Cole on May 13, 2008, 12:46:22 AM
I mean it can't be that bad, the impressions from a poster on GAF
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Banjo (slated for November):
- Building vehicles is basically like playing with LEGO. You can always jump in and out of the vehicle editor and come right back to the game with the new design.
- Parts are easily placed and moved around. You don't have to worry about connecting the motor with the wheels for example. Just place everything so they stick together and don't get in the way.
- Vehicle designs can play a large role in missions. We saw one where you had to collect coconuts from a field and got a small truck that could suck them up. Unfortunately you couldn't fit all the coconuts in the truck and had to back and deliver them in a large barrel. We were then shown how you could create a helicopter with a hook, that could pick up this large barrel, fly to the coconut field and fly low to scoop the coconuts in the barrel.
- Physics are awesome in this game and everywhere! With one design I placed the foot-in-a-box weapon behind a propella, and when I tried to use it, the foot/boot couldn't get past the propella... well, until I used it enough times to actually kick the propella off the vehicle!
- Pixel art... imagine the possibilities (Rare already had an example of this, paying homage to a certain plumber)
- Multiplayer is great fun with the ability to either chose from pre-fabricated or own vehicle designs. It still needs some polish here and there, but showed great promise.
along with these final impressions
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Did I find it fun? Me and colleague haven't stopped thinking about it since we played it. It was extremely fun being able to create your own vehicles however you wanted it and play around with them. Just that in itself. It works so great! Add balloons and it will start to float. Add wings and you can actually steer in the air and fly around. Add inflatable balls and you won't sink when landing on water. Add a propella and you got propulsion in the water. Everything makes sense and work exactly how you think they will.
Now take that concept into multiplayer...
Seriously has me somewhat excited
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 13, 2008, 12:47:53 AM
Post by: Locke Cole on May 13, 2008, 12:51:17 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 13, 2008, 12:57:45 AM
Just imagine if the next Mario game was all about vehicles and they almost completely abandoned the platforming aspect...It's DISGUSTING...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 13, 2008, 01:02:27 AM
Man those impressions sound so bad...So bad...SO AWFUL! Why couldn't they just make a bloody new franchise and leave Banjo alone!? ;_;
Just imagine if the next Mario game was all about vehicles and they almost completely abandoned the platforming aspect...It's DISGUSTING...
I hope the next Halo game has Master Chief throwing water balloons at jay walkers. Who really wants another FPS in the Halo series?
Perhaps the next GTA game can revolve around the protagonist going to rehab and if you commit a crime you are thrown in prison with real time affecting when you get out. That would be so cool in that the series won't be rehashed!
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 13, 2008, 01:11:02 AM
Post by: DAaaMan64 on May 13, 2008, 01:15:27 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 13, 2008, 01:22:20 AM
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/1666/i4674311pm5.jpg)
.....................*groan*
Post by: Deguello on May 13, 2008, 03:35:42 AM
Not only that, this game is DESTINED to fail on the 360 marketplace, mainly due to demographics (its funny how this principle is only applied in respect to Wii and non-gamers, and not applied in the opposite direction.)
The only thing it has going for it is name recognition... among N64 fans... a long time ago. This has "flop" written all over it.
Post by: Svevan on May 13, 2008, 04:21:27 AM
Post by: Nick DiMola on May 13, 2008, 07:19:31 AM
I'd rather Rare try something new, rather then try to rehash and fail (Perfect Dark: Zero anyone?).
Perfect Dark Zero was NOT a rehash. If it was it might've actually been decent. Instead they changed the core of the game and they lost the entire direction that the first game had. Not to mention they RUINED the multiplayer which was so awesome in the first I just don't see how they screwed it in the second.
ARGHHHHHHHHHH, it makes me so angry that this is what Rare came up with to continue one of my favorite series of all time. They could've just dumped this idea in a new franchise and left Banjo alone.
Post by: Pale on May 13, 2008, 10:05:08 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 13, 2008, 11:47:13 AM
Post by: DAaaMan64 on May 13, 2008, 12:31:42 PM
I'd rather Rare try something new, rather then try to rehash and fail (Perfect Dark: Zero anyone?).
Perfect Dark Zero was NOT a rehash. If it was it might've actually been decent. Instead they changed the core of the game and they lost the entire direction that the first game had. Not to mention they RUINED the multiplayer which was so awesome in the first I just don't see how they screwed it in the second.
Have you reviewed Mario Kart yet?
Post by: Nick DiMola on May 13, 2008, 12:55:02 PM
I'd rather Rare try something new, rather then try to rehash and fail (Perfect Dark: Zero anyone?).
Perfect Dark Zero was NOT a rehash. If it was it might've actually been decent. Instead they changed the core of the game and they lost the entire direction that the first game had. Not to mention they RUINED the multiplayer which was so awesome in the first I just don't see how they screwed it in the second.
Have you reviewed Mario Kart yet?
That would be a bad idea. You think Jonny's review sparked some hate, I'm pretty sure mine would make me get death threats.
Post by: DAaaMan64 on May 13, 2008, 12:58:30 PM
I'd rather Rare try something new, rather then try to rehash and fail (Perfect Dark: Zero anyone?).
Perfect Dark Zero was NOT a rehash. If it was it might've actually been decent. Instead they changed the core of the game and they lost the entire direction that the first game had. Not to mention they RUINED the multiplayer which was so awesome in the first I just don't see how they screwed it in the second.
Have you reviewed Mario Kart yet?
That would be a bad idea. You think Jonny's review sparked some hate, I'm pretty sure mine would make me get death threats.
That was just a joke about ruining multi-player. I mean Battle mode.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 13, 2008, 01:09:23 PM
I don't drive all that well.
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 13, 2008, 02:29:13 PM
And again...*groan*...
Post by: vudu on May 13, 2008, 02:42:58 PM
Well looks like some more Banjo information has been revealed. It is going to have a strong focus on vehicle building and a lesser focus on platforming. **face palm**
Oh, com'on ... I mean, it worked for Jak 3, right? ... right?!
Post by: Nick DiMola on May 13, 2008, 02:44:08 PM
Oh and in response to vudu: Totally! ... not. Everything after Jak and Daxter = FAIL
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 13, 2008, 05:13:46 PM
Now, I have never been a Banjo-Kazooie fan. I always thought the game was a poor Mario ripoff that had great graphics, but the gameplay just didn't feel right to me. Now I understand, many...if not most disagree with me so I look at Banjo-Kazooie as a highly regarded game, that I personally just didn't quite get.
This new game seems to bring some interesting new ideas and elements to the platforming universe. Being able to build vehicles and weapons to specifically solve puzzles, bosses and other game elements sounds really fun if it is playable and designed right. So in that regards the game appears to have promise.
However, everyone fearing the heart of the game is ruined or could be hurt has a good point. Why am I a Bear with a bird in my backpack if I can just build a machine to fly? or a Motorcycle to Drive faster? It is like I don't need the bird at all. The idea of needing both characters to get through the game is ruined.
Now, the game still good be great, and keep in mind the new trailers of course are going to focus only on the new vehicle aspect, there is probably much traditional platforming in the game as well.
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 13, 2008, 05:20:24 PM
Why am I a Bear with a bird in my backpack if I can just build a machine to fly? or a Motorcycle to Drive faster? It is like I don't need the bird at all. The idea of needing both characters to get through the game is ruined.
At the point in the trailer where the developer said "Kazooie's moves are replaced by...," I just about cried...It's a cold-hearted kick to the groin for Banjo-Kazooie fans when you take out what made the original game unique (using both Banjo and Kazooie's unique NATURAL abilities to get through the worlds) and shoe-horn the franchise into a completely different game...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 13, 2008, 05:24:54 PM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on May 13, 2008, 06:51:31 PM
"Is Rare, I asked Kim, a developer that better suited to the audience and platforms of Nintendo gaming?
The short answer, Kim said, is no. But he did acknowledge that Rare hasn't yet met it's full potential on the Xbox 360. Neither Perfect Dark Zero or Kameo were the massive hits that Microsoft expects and Viva Pinata, he said, was a game that attracted a casual audience but was much deeper than that sort of gamer expected or was interested in playing.
But Rare's upcoming titles could turn that around. Viva Pinata: Trouble in Paradise, for instance, hopes to fix that disconnect between the audience it attracted and its accessibility by adding online and local co-op and tweaking gameplay.
And while Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts isn't a true sequel to the franchise, its concept, a vehicle platformer, was entirely the idea of Rare and its developers."
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 13, 2008, 06:53:31 PM
AHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHHA
Just cuz you wanted teh casuals doesn't mean you managed to attract them.
Post by: Svevan on May 13, 2008, 07:11:04 PM
Well, here's the first footage of the game (http://msxbxnm.vo.llnwd.net/d1/inside_xbox/en-gb/2008/05/rare_ep1cut2.wmv)
And again...*groan*...
I can't watch this video, it's in another language
Post by: Svevan on May 13, 2008, 07:18:15 PM
yeah okay, I see where Bill is coming from; this is not the B-K sequel I REALLY want, but it does seem pretty rad on its own. Just seeing those B-K graphics and hearing the B-K music got my heart a pitter pattering. Bill is entirely right: the removal of Kazooie's moves is bullshit. Now she can pick up blocks SWEET LAME.
Makes me want to pull out Banjo Tooie and finish it. I know B-K up and down and have beaten it numerous times. I have to give myself a solid two years in between playthroughs cause I know it too well. B-T is not as focused, but is still amazing. This game, uh, looks like a good Jet Force Gemini sequel, not a B-K sequel.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 13, 2008, 09:44:55 PM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on May 14, 2008, 02:29:10 AM
Hearing the interview on IGN makes me cry. I like how they say that basic components of the previous BK games were "characters, humor, graphics" and that will appeal to the fans of the series. Funny I thought people loved the games because they were fun and witty platformers? Is Rare that bankrupt creatively that they cannot figure out how to innovate while keeping platforming as the primary element (Like Mario Galaxy). Not sure if the level shows in indicative of design but they look so lifeless, flat and BORING like they were built for freaken vehicles.
Well GP if your making a vehicle based platformer you have to make the stages life flat and boring ;). If rare continues this path then Microsoft will never get a good investment value from Rare since down the pipeline theres this Viva Pinata 2 for 360 and Viva Pinata Pocket Paradise for DS.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 14, 2008, 02:56:47 AM
Cue RARE: IT EATS MONEY! picture
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on May 14, 2008, 03:49:25 AM
I love it.
Cue RARE: PINATAS EATS MONEY! picture
Fixed
Post by: KDR_11k on May 14, 2008, 04:34:12 AM
Post by: blackfootsteps on May 14, 2008, 05:15:06 AM
Post by: Nick DiMola on May 14, 2008, 11:16:26 AM
Lame.
Post by: Arbok on May 14, 2008, 11:34:27 AM
Anyway, yeah... it doesn't even look like Banjo Kazooie anymore. The graphics are quite nice, to be honest, but I have zero interest in the game from what I'm seeing. I don't know, it's one thing to evolve a franchise, like Mario Galaxy, and it's another to take it in an almost completely different direction, as they appear to be doing here.
I think someone on the Kotaku blog said it best:
"So…evolving the platformer by removing the platforms.
good plan."
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on May 14, 2008, 12:12:09 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 14, 2008, 12:14:32 PM
Is it me or does the vehicle building interface remind you of building a Gummy ship from Kingdom Hearts?? And that was one part of the game that I hated the most in KH. Also if you look carefully theres an 8-bit Mario in the unveiling trailer.
That is what it reminded me of!
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on May 14, 2008, 01:05:50 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 23, 2008, 08:13:24 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 23, 2008, 08:15:53 PM
Personally I like Banjo-Kazooie and Banjo-Tooie about equally...However, Banjo-Tooie has those dumb FPS stages, a shifty framerate, and those awful "MASH A MASH A MASH A" races against that canary, so it gets docked some fractions of a point...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 23, 2008, 08:33:30 PM
Just let this topic die and let's pretend this game doesn't exist... =(
Personally I like Banjo-Kazooie and Banjo-Tooie about equally...However, Banjo-Tooie has those dumb FPS stages, a shifty framerate, and those awful "MASH A MASH A MASH A" races against that canary, so it gets docked some fractions of a point...
Yeah I remember the FPS Stages and the framerate thing but they didn't bother me much (Forgot the canary race!). I think both games had a unique approach, BK was more "linear" while BT was more open. I did appreciate that Rare didn't take away the music notes when you died in BT, that was one improvement I liked quite a bit.
Post by: thomasz on May 25, 2008, 09:02:45 PM
Post by: blackfootsteps on May 25, 2008, 10:04:00 PM
Really! We can play on XBox 360.
Yes, and as you can see, everyone here is thrilled and grateful.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 26, 2008, 01:16:01 AM
Post by: DAaaMan64 on May 26, 2008, 01:17:49 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 26, 2008, 01:40:38 AM
The thing is, no matter how bad this game is it's going to sell. As the closest thing to a platformer on the 360 it will sell to people who only own a 360 that want a platformer, and it will sell because of the Rare name and the Banjo-Kazooie name, mostly to Nintendo fans that also own a 360
I'm not so sure about that. Rare has not done that hot on 360 and I'm not sure the market is there for a BK game. We'll see, but I'm leaning towards it being more of a bomb then a success.
Post by: DAaaMan64 on May 26, 2008, 01:55:54 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 26, 2008, 04:05:09 AM
I agree with GP. But maybe I'm wrong. I don't really want to see B-K as a franchise die. If I ever ever get a 360, I will play this game.
I can't see it doing well with the new design choice. They are basically alienating old fans of the series and it really is no longer a platformer but some vehicle combat/action game if I am looking at the news correctly. We'll see but I really have a feeling this may be the end of the BK franchise and it is too bad it looks to end on a bad note.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 26, 2008, 04:19:43 AM
I agree with GP. But maybe I'm wrong. I don't really want to see B-K as a franchise die. If I ever ever get a 360, I will play this game.
You disagree with me but then you prove my point. Unless they unexpectedly nail the game it's not going to be a hit, but the groups I mention will buy enough to probably make sure the series doesn't die.
Post by: DAaaMan64 on May 26, 2008, 04:31:04 AM
I agree with GP. But maybe I'm wrong. I don't really want to see B-K as a franchise die. If I ever ever get a 360, I will play this game.
You disagree with me but then you prove my point. Unless they unexpectedly nail the game it's not going to be a hit, but the groups I mention will buy enough to probably make sure the series doesn't die.
I think they could get it right, but it will still do bad.
Post by: blackfootsteps on May 26, 2008, 05:57:46 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 26, 2008, 08:17:46 AM
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"As the closest thing to a platformer on the 360 it will sell to people who only own a 360 that want a platformer..."
Not many...
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"...and it will sell because of the Rare name and the Banjo-Kazooie name..."
Again, not many... :tpg:
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"...mostly to Nintendo fans that also own a 360"
Maybe this...But then again, I'm pretty sure most Nintendo fans that own a 360 are disgusted with the new design just like me, so uh, 0 for 3? (http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc48/BillAurion/Assorted/428.png)
Post by: KDR_11k on May 26, 2008, 09:13:20 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 26, 2008, 01:37:36 PM
Post by: Caliban on July 09, 2008, 09:36:52 AM
Post by: Nick DiMola on July 09, 2008, 01:06:35 PM
Also curious, they mention alot of grab this and twist that, gyroscope etc. I'm beginning to wonder if all those Xbox 360 Wiimote rumors are true...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 09, 2008, 03:04:05 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 09, 2008, 04:30:00 PM
Post by: Caliban on July 09, 2008, 06:22:37 PM
Casltevania Judgement is shaping up to be more interesting.
I wonder if you're the riddler, or the riddle.
Post by: DAaaMan64 on July 09, 2008, 06:29:58 PM
Post by: blackfootsteps on July 09, 2008, 11:14:02 PM
Hmm, just read this preview, it seems like it might be alright, though the vehicular stuff still seems a bit too predominant. I'm more interested again though.
Also curious, they mention alot of grab this and twist that, gyroscope etc. I'm beginning to wonder if all those Xbox 360 Wiimote rumors are true...
In the dev interview Ken Lobb (traitor ;)) even says (paraphrased): 'when you twist the controller...' Apparently MS have denied this suggests a controller enhancement, stating that the player holds a face button in conjunction with rotating an analog stick.
I can't see any evidence from those IGN videos that this game still retains B-K's platforming roots. Climbing up 3 ladders on a crane does not a platformer make. It just looks like a whole lot of driving around. I'd prefer smaller, well designed areas as opposed to giant Daytona USA tracks.
Post by: Nick DiMola on July 10, 2008, 10:28:04 AM
I can't see any evidence from those IGN videos that this game still retains B-K's platforming roots. Climbing up 3 ladders on a crane does not a platformer make. It just looks like a whole lot of driving around. I'd prefer smaller, well designed areas as opposed to giant Daytona USA tracks.
Agreed. I thought Banjo-Tooie got a little too big on the Overworld. Banjo-Kazooie had it nearly perfect.
Post by: Peachylala on July 12, 2008, 08:56:18 PM
I am also saddened that B-K 360 is not called Banjo-Threeie. Then again, maybe it shouldn't be.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on August 19, 2008, 11:55:15 AM
As Kazooie likes to say, “The early bird gets the worm.” Since the original “Banjo-Kazooie” will not debut on Xbox LIVE Arcade until a couple weeks after “Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts” releases, pre-ordering the game gives you a two-week head start on the Arcade title and the opportunity to take advantage of “Stop N’ Swop” before anyone else. “Stop N’ Swop” rewards players’ accomplishments in the new game with extra content and features in the Xbox LIVE Arcade game, giving fans who pre-order “Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts” the chance to experience more Banjo action than ever.
Post by: Nick DiMola on August 19, 2008, 12:00:40 PM
Post by: Caliban on August 19, 2008, 12:01:55 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 19, 2008, 12:09:25 PM
Post by: Nick DiMola on August 19, 2008, 12:21:21 PM
Wow, I'm amazed they are giving away B-K away for free, I would have payed for it!
Haha, me too! Microsoft, thank you for hooking me up. Between the value price and B-K for free I don't which is better. All I do know, Stop 'n Swop is goin down this Fall.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 19, 2008, 12:45:24 PM
Post by: Schadenfreude on August 19, 2008, 01:43:53 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 19, 2008, 07:48:19 PM
Ready your spring-loaded propeller boat and fasten your seatbelt, “Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts” is hitting U.S. store shelves on November 14, and pre-orders begin today. For the retail price of $39.99, those who pre-order at participating retailers will get in on all the Banjo fun right off the starting line, and as a special bonus, will also receive a free download code for the original “Banjo-Kazooie,” launching on Xbox LIVE Arcade later this fall.
As Kazooie likes to say, “The early bird gets the worm.” Since the original “Banjo-Kazooie” will not debut on Xbox LIVE Arcade until a couple weeks after “Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts” releases, pre-ordering the game gives you a two-week head start on the Arcade title and the opportunity to take advantage of “Stop N’ Swop” before anyone else. “Stop N’ Swop” rewards players’ accomplishments in the new game with extra content and features in the Xbox LIVE Arcade game, giving fans who pre-order “Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts” the chance to experience more Banjo action than ever.
This includes Gamestop and EB Games, right? I hope they do.
And Stop N' Swop?? Does this mean that Rare finally figured out how to work the extra features into the original game???
Post by: Schadenfreude on August 19, 2008, 08:21:28 PM
I already pre-ordered. ;D
Post by: DAaaMan64 on August 19, 2008, 08:24:04 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 19, 2008, 09:13:42 PM
Those Rare style graphics don't transfer well to 360 style. Banjo and Kazooie look dumb.
I admit that's the only thing that annoys me about the game. The textures and designs look splendid, but the character design is so so.
I also hope the vehicle mechanic works well. If done wrong it could mean clunky driving controls, weird physics and slow gameplay.
EDIT: I don't know why, but I get the feeling the pre-order bonus only applies to online orders...
The Amazon page says that you'll get the code 5 days after the game is released. How will this work when you pre-order the game at a store? Will they give you the code when you pick up the game or do you have to wait a few more days after you pick it up?
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on August 20, 2008, 01:09:44 AM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on September 20, 2008, 07:40:09 PM
Pointless Collector 10
Take part in the L.O.G. badge collecting challenge at the start of the game in Spiral Mountain
Open Nuts 10
Place the Nutty Acres Game Globe on its plinth in Showdown Town
Next-Next-Gen 10
Place the LOGBOX 720 Game Globe on its plinth in Showdown Town
History Lesson 15
Place the Banjoland Game Globe on its plinth in Showdown Town
Let the Games Begin 15
Place the Jiggosseum Game Globe on its plinth in Showdown Town
Super Banjo Universe 20
Place the Terrarium of Terror Game Globe on its plinth in Showdown Town
My First Bank 10
Bank your first Jiggy in Showdown Town
Little Banker 20
Bank 10 Jiggies in Showdown Town
Big Banker 30
Bank 30 Jiggies in Showdown Town
Shower of Gold 40
Bank 60 Jiggies in Showdown Town
Jiggillionaire! 50
Bank 131 Jiggies in Showdown Town
Pimped Up 20
Complete the Showdown Town Trolley with Parts won from Grunty battles
Witch Hunt 50
Defeat Grunty at the end of the game
My First Trophy 10
Earn a T.T. Trophy from any challenge
Few Trophy Pts 20
Earn 10 T.T. Trophies from any challenges
More Trophy Pts 30
Earn 30 T.T. Trophies from any challenges
A Lot of Trophy Pts 40
Earn 60 T.T. Trophies from any challenges
Be Crateful 15
Find and return two crates to Mumbo's Motors
Blueprint Buyout 15
Buy a blueprint from Humba in Showdown Town
Roid Rage 15
Train Banjo once in the Showdown Town gym
Start to Free the Showdown Six 15
Free and re-house a Jinjo in Showdown Town
Vigilante 15
Lock up a Minjo in Showdown Town
Bingo! 20
Complete a line on the Bingo card at King Jingaling's Palace
Stop 'n' Swop 0
Return a Stop 'n' Swop crate to Mumbo's Motors
BBQ Beef 20
In Nutty Acres, they like their steak well done
Massive Damage 20
Aim at the 10 legs for massive damage
Test Your Strength 20
Roll up, show the whole of Banjoland how strong you are
Great Balls of Fire 20
Take a heavy ball around the Jiggosseum and get a burning sensation
Ultimate Combo 20
More like a three-hit combo in the Terrarium of Terror
Floater in the Pipe 20
Eeurgh! That's not going to help the Test-O-Track plumbing
Burn the Witch! 20
Showdown Town witch hunt
Head for Heights 20
Find the best view in Showdown Town
Fuzz Off! 20
POP goes the Weasel!
Paint Your Wagon 10
Paint any part of your vehicle in Mumbo's Motors
Speedy of the Colossus 25
Build a vehicle with 200 blocks or more and go over a set speed
Minimalist 25
Build a vehicle with five blocks or less and go over a set speed
Whoa Nelly! 25
Travel in a vehicle over a set speed
Loose Change 20
Collect ALL the Showdown Town Loose Change
Arcade Pwner 20
Finish all levels of Klungo's Arcade game
Sunday League 20
Play in and complete a multiplayer game League
Premier League! 40
Play in and complete a marathon multiplayer game League (Every Race, Every Sport or Every Race and Sport)
What's That Smell? 10
Play an Xbox LIVE multiplayer game against a Banjo team member, or somebody who has already done so
Bit of Blue 10
Share a blueprint with another player or Friend over Xbox LIVE, or save 20 blueprints
Paparazzi 10
Take a photo and upload it to Xbox LIVE, or take five photos
Caught on Camera 10
Send a video replay to a Friend over Xbox LIVE, or save five replays
High Fives All Round 10
Be on the winning team in a ranked team game
All My Own Work 20
Win a ranked solo game with a custom vehicle
Too Easy! 10
Win a ranked solo race by reversing over the finish line
Too Easy Too! 20
Win a ranked solo race by running or swimming over the finish line
Post by: Caliban on October 29, 2008, 11:23:06 PM
Post by: matt oz on November 01, 2008, 11:39:39 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on November 01, 2008, 04:03:53 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 01, 2008, 04:20:24 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 01, 2008, 09:35:51 PM
I've heard they rectified the text problem in the final game. Regardless I really hope the game has more exploration for Jiggy pieces instead of "Talk to random people and do their self contained event".
Even Banjo-Tooie had this problem, so I don't see why they would even bother going back to the original's perfection...The whole focus on vehicles pretty much throws any chance of true exploration Jiggies out the window anyway... =\
Post by: Caliban on November 01, 2008, 10:12:36 PM
19" screenThere's you're problem. You, and KDR_11k are better off connecting your 360 to a PC monitor because it supports higher resolutions that these games are supposed to be played on.
The only game where text didn't hurt to read was Cv SOTN.SOTN's text looks bad on a 50" HDTV.
I think a lot of us are used to the text scaling for different monitor resolutions for a PC, and forget that when dealing with consoles they have to stick to one standard. In the 360's case it is 720p.
Post by: KDR_11k on November 02, 2008, 02:56:39 AM
And who the **** got the idea that a console has to be played on new and huge TVs? It's plugged into a crappy secondary TV here because the main TV is for watching TV and I don't think I'm alone with that setup. VGA would need extra stuff like a matching cable and one of those input switcher boxes since I'm not going to crawl behind the PC every single time I want to switch. Even at higher resolutions the small size and low contrast of the text would make it unreadable unless you sit right in front of the TV so it pretty much has to be oprated at a computer desk. I know if I ran this thing on one of the living room TVs people I know own (and our own too, of course) I still wouldn't be able to read **** even if it was in HD because living rooms have the couch much further away from the TV.
Post by: matt oz on November 03, 2008, 07:51:11 PM
19" screenThere's you're problem. You, and KDR_11k are better off connecting your 360 to a PC monitor because it supports higher resolutions that these games are supposed to be played on.
Argh, there's YOUR problem. Bad grammar! :P
Thankfully the 19" TV is just temporary. I ordered a new 32" Samsung HDTV online last week, and I prematurely sold my old TV, so I've been playing on a 19" for the past few days. I've actually been staying away from most games outside of Rock Band and arcade games because everything looks like crap on it.
Fun fact: I've never played a Banjo Kazooie game. I may download the original when it makes it to XBLA, but we'll see.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 03, 2008, 08:29:40 PM
Post by: Caliban on November 04, 2008, 07:31:28 PM
19" screenThere's you're problem. You, and KDR_11k are better off connecting your 360 to a PC monitor because it supports higher resolutions that these games are supposed to be played on.
Argh, there's YOUR problem. Bad grammar! :P
To quote on Homer Simpson: D'oh.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on November 05, 2008, 02:55:30 PM
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=283006
Quote from: eurogamer
This isn't a platform game, then. You can eke out hidden extras on-foot in the hub world, Showdown Town, but this is a driving, flying and boating game, with almost no player death or hairy jumps to worry about. You are collecting 131 jigsaw pieces (jiggies) - in much the same framework as Mario gathering stars - but every task begins by asking you to select or build a vehicle to fit the brief. You're never let loose on foot and then given the choice, and if you were, you wouldn't enjoy it, because the vast, ornately detailed openworld level environments would take several minutes to cross, and their thick bridges, riverbeds, hills, pathways, iceflows and buildings are impractical for platforming. They're either there to absorb your rubber, or look sexy as you deliver coconuts to a supply ship, barge Mr. Patch into a cactus with a biplane, or launch yourself off a ski-jump in a homemade toboggan.
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Amidst all this detail, which the game happily displays without trickery or obfuscation - even directing a nod to Crackdown's Agency tower at one point - the frame-rate will dip below the stock 30 from time to time, and some of the load-times are appalling, but the overall effect is decent recompense.
Post by: Caliban on November 05, 2008, 03:03:28 PM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on November 05, 2008, 03:43:54 PM
Now what the hell is that Rare, that's like saying to your customers if you think our design choice is shitty and killed the franchise or if you don't like our 40 dollar game because we killed the franchise's gameplay which is platforming and replaced it with vehicles, why don't you download our N64 classic for a mere 15 dollars.
That just shows you how much confidence Rare put behind this game.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 05, 2008, 03:48:55 PM
Post by: Schadenfreude on November 05, 2008, 03:51:08 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 05, 2008, 04:41:38 PM
That's the feeling I got from the demo. I'm still keeping my pre-order because I want to play Banjo Kazooie because I never had the chance to play it in its entirety on a console, nor emulated. If I'm really not too happy with Bolts and Nuts I will just trade it in.
Auuuugh, just get the original then! =(
Post by: Caliban on November 05, 2008, 05:47:09 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 05, 2008, 07:12:40 PM
No platforming...at all...None...Why even use the franchise!? =(
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 05, 2008, 07:18:20 PM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on November 05, 2008, 08:28:10 PM
Sounds like they were trying to tarnish the franchise in the worst way possible...
No platforming...at all...None...Why even use the franchise!? =(
Maybe they wanted to beat themselves at the award for gaming franchise used for the wrong purpose. Atleast Starfox Adventures was a pretty good game despite it being boring.
Post by: KDR_11k on November 06, 2008, 02:58:01 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 06, 2008, 07:33:11 AM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on November 06, 2008, 12:32:29 PM
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 06, 2008, 01:20:16 PM
Lets see xbox fans mildly cared about PD Zero
That's because it was a Shooting game. Anything that's involves shooting will get the Xbox fans excited. They were only mildly excited about it because the main character was a women. If it had stared a bald Space Marine on steroids, then I can guarentee you it would have sold 5 times as many copies.
Hey maybe that's what Rare will do for the next Banjo-Kazooie game after this one bombs then. In order to make the series appeal to the Xbox fanbase, Banjo will be turned into a bald marine who has a big red gun that's nicknamed the Kazooie. Mumbo Jumbo will be his foul mouth comanding officer, and the Jinjo's will be the alien race that's trying to kill all humans.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 06, 2008, 03:36:43 PM
Lets see xbox fans mildly cared about PD Zero, Kameo did okay I think
Launch titles tend to have skewed numbers due to a lack of quantity to choose from...
Hey maybe that's what Rare will do for the next Banjo-Kazooie game after this one bombs then. In order to make the series appeal to the Xbox fanbase, Banjo will be turned into a bald marine who has a big red gun that's nicknamed the Kazooie. Mumbo Jumbo will be his foul mouth comanding officer, and the Jinjo's will be the alien race that's trying to kill all humans.
If it has ANY platforming at all then it'll still be a better game than this monstrosity... =(
Post by: KDR_11k on November 06, 2008, 04:17:34 PM
But I doubt many 360 owners really care about the franchise in the first place...
Well, okay, maybe it's the shareholders that get placated by telling them that 350 million dollar company is actually using those IPs that cost so much...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 06, 2008, 04:18:38 PM
Lets see xbox fans mildly cared about PD Zero, Kameo did okay I think, Viva Pinata bombed, VP2 doesn't look like its doing hot. Conker flopped, Grabbed by the Ghoulies flopped badly.
Viva Pinata did NOT bomb according to Microsoft. I've talked to an individual on the executive level and they were pleased with the sales which is why the franchise continued.
Post by: Deguello on November 07, 2008, 12:51:24 AM
1) It didn't become the "new Pokemon" like MS wanted.
2) The majority of its sales came after a steep price cut to $20
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 07, 2008, 12:53:12 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 07, 2008, 12:58:05 AM
Viva Pinata did bomb in two ways.
1) It didn't become the "new Pokemon" like MS wanted.
2) The majority of its sales came after a steep price cut to $20
I guess you would know more than me about this issue. You obviously have the inside scoop. (Funny thing is that I had this discussion before there was even a price cut). Heck I knew about the sequel before it was even confirmed along with the Party Animals game. But Deg obviously knows all.
MS's intent with the game was to slowly but surely dig into the userbase and expand it. They knew the first game would struggle and that it would take time considering the 360's userbase.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 07, 2008, 07:26:27 AM
MS's intent with the game was to slowly but surely dig into the userbase and expand it. They knew the first game would struggle and that it would take time considering the 360's userbase.
This is questionable considering they had a bloody TV SHOW planned alongside development of the game (I have no idea if that even came out)...They clearly did have hopes for the game that didn't pull through...Of course, a profitable game is still a profitable game, regardless of whether it reaches Pokemon levels of popularity or not...And at this point, Rare's best bet it to stick to this instead of raping their other old franchises... =(
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 07, 2008, 08:10:40 AM
Post by: Caliban on November 07, 2008, 11:52:37 AM
they had a bloody TV SHOW planned alongside development of the game (I have no idea if that even came out)
It did. It's still running I think.
Post by: KDR_11k on November 08, 2008, 02:17:53 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 08, 2008, 09:42:43 AM
Post by: Caliban on November 09, 2008, 10:25:02 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 09, 2008, 11:57:06 PM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 10, 2008, 02:06:25 AM
Inexcusable.
People like to talk about Nintendo's low quality standards but they would never let something like this get through.
Post by: KDR_11k on November 10, 2008, 07:45:33 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 10, 2008, 11:35:50 AM
Post by: EasyCure on November 10, 2008, 11:53:02 AM
Post by: vudu on November 10, 2008, 02:02:11 PM
Nintendo excluded the Red Ring of Death and included the Blue Line of Righteousness by design. ~ NinGurl69
Do we really need to see that damn purple box in every single one of your posts from now on?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 10, 2008, 02:40:42 PM
GameCube's memory lives on.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on November 10, 2008, 06:01:18 PM
WIRED Interesting and well-executed concept, pretty, funny
TIRED The heart of the game is only barely fun, sometimes
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The issue is that none of the games you play with these vehicles are that much fun. Racing laps around the levels versus other goofy contraptions is either frustrating or boring or both. Picking up passengers around the levels and bringing them to the exit, pushing soccer balls into a net, plugging up water pipes with giant nutshells... Rare has thought of a whole bunch of different things to do with the concept, but nothing ever pays off.
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But the most fun that I had was playing "Klungo Saves The Universe," a silly parody of retro arcade games that you can find in Showdown Town. It's a surprisingly challenging, if short, platform game, and I laughed harder and concentrated more while playing it than I did with the other 99% of Nuts & Bolts.
This is, I admit, backhanded praise. Because finding a little bit of solid amusement and engagement in something that is mostly mediocre reminds you of how much fun you're not having otherwise. Banjo is what you get when you put a lavish coat of polish on nothing: A beautiful, funny game with a clever concept that is utterly lacking in fundamentals.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 10, 2008, 06:16:01 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 10, 2008, 08:16:57 PM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on November 11, 2008, 08:50:43 AM
Well at least the game is priced pretty low so I never had my expectations too high and I still get to play the AMAZING Banjo-Kazooie 1.
Or you can just skip this game and pay 1,200 MS points (15 dollars) for the XBLA game. I still think that's over priced considering that Mario 64 is 10 dollars on VC.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 11, 2008, 10:07:51 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on November 11, 2008, 04:04:21 PM
Post by: Caliban on November 11, 2008, 06:38:08 PM
Surprisingly, and its something that I noticed from playing the demo, and that Erik Brudvig from IGN wrote, is that despite the game's cartoon look the physics tend to the realistic rather than the arcade type. If you play this game you will have to be smart, or at least have the common sense to know that the vehicle you just built might look cool, but it won't be effective.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 12, 2008, 04:30:46 AM
Post by: Nick DiMola on November 12, 2008, 06:42:20 AM
That's great to hear though, can't wait to get my code from Amazon.
Post by: vudu on November 12, 2008, 02:04:52 PM
Also it has been quite awhile since I played B-K but I recall that if you died you lost all the notes you collected in a level, in this it SAVES your progress on note collecting even if you die so you don't need to recollect them.
Xbox is for babies who can't game.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 12, 2008, 02:07:11 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 12, 2008, 02:30:49 PM
Also it has been quite awhile since I played B-K but I recall that if you died you lost all the notes you collected in a level, in this it SAVES your progress on note collecting even if you die so you don't need to recollect them.
Xbox is for babies who can't game.
So much for hardcore gamers, am I right?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 12, 2008, 02:36:47 PM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 13, 2008, 07:17:38 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 13, 2008, 07:38:04 PM
Because the original's works perfectly fine for me... =\
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 13, 2008, 07:49:01 PM
Post by: Caliban on November 13, 2008, 07:58:38 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 14, 2008, 01:12:27 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on December 01, 2008, 01:57:45 PM
Post by: DAaaMan64 on December 02, 2008, 04:09:50 AM
Post by: Dasmos on December 02, 2008, 07:09:29 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 02, 2008, 07:13:03 AM
Post by: Dasmos on December 02, 2008, 08:27:09 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 02, 2008, 08:51:40 PM
Well it hasn't held up well over the years. Anyone saying otherwise likes crappy almost-unplayable games or is deluded.
The game hoilds up very well besides some camera issues. It made such great use of space in levels, while games now have huge landscapes with hardly anything interesting in them. It controls perfectly, the humor is still great fun, and the challenges are both creative and fun. The XBL version is even better because it smooths out the framerate and eliminates one of the bigger flaws in the game which was having to go back and recollect notes if you die.
Post by: Tybo68 on December 02, 2008, 11:34:06 PM
Post by: Nick DiMola on December 03, 2008, 07:01:13 AM
Sure it isn't classic B-K, but I am totally in love with vehicle creation. When I come up on a new challenge I don't say "Ugh, another race," for me its "Awesome, I get to craft another vehicle!" It's a blast to tinker around with the available parts and succeed in making that perfect vessel. Additionally, I find myself scouring Showdown Town for more parts constantly.
I can totally understand people hating what happened to the B-K IP, but hating the game for that reason is silly.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 03, 2008, 09:21:36 AM
Post by: EasyCure on December 03, 2008, 01:31:28 PM
It was probably the only big name N64 title that I didn't get back in those days, but I don't regret it. Back then my friend and I would only pick up certain releases so that he would have one big game, I'd have the other. The only times we'd have two copies of the same game would be if it was something we just had to have, like Ocarina of Time. I'm glad he got Banjo cuz if I bought it, I would of not only disliked it the way I do now, but I would of grown to resent it too.
I'll give it props where its due though, I'm not a hater in the slightest. The graphics were suberb at the time and the contorls were tight from what I remember. Also, like stated above, although the worlds were huge they were far from empty. What I hated was all the damn collecting. After only a short play time with it I felt that BK was more of a chore than a game, and thats never a good sign. I tried my best to get thru all of it but I stopped somewhere close to the end because I was just burnt out on its repetitive formula.
I remember feeling that the game suffored from being very "me too!" in how it felt like it tried to outdo Mario 64. Now thats a title I could replay over and over because even though every world had X amount of stars to collect, there was some fresh new spin on things to keep you going. I loved going down those crazy slides or finding a Koopa Troopa shell to ride around on. Hell even just running and jumping around as Mario, performing all his acreobatic moves was more fun to me then doing any of the moves in BK. I had to do that Kazooie running thing to get anywhere because the worlds were so big that running as Banjo was as much of a chore as all the note collecting.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 03, 2008, 01:36:06 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 03, 2008, 02:00:13 PM
I first encountered BK in an N64 demo kiosk. The game was not pickup-and-play friendly, and the world had no indication of what to accomplish. Never touched the game again.
Zelda TP too much hand holding of what to do so it sucks, Banjo-Kazooie too little hand holding so it sucks.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 03, 2008, 02:06:14 PM
Hard to implement hand-holding when there's nothing to do! Great BK demo, that was!
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 03, 2008, 02:11:55 PM
- Anyone gotten far enough to find the stop and swop features?
- When will it get a XBLA release?
I refuse to get Nuts and Bolts till the text patch is released.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 03, 2008, 02:15:04 PM
Speaking of classic B-K...
- Anyone gotten far enough to find the stop and swop features?
- When will it get a XBLA release?
I refuse to get Nuts and Bolts till the text patch is released.
I think it comes out this month.
Post by: EasyCure on December 03, 2008, 03:15:48 PM
Speaking of classic B-K...
- Anyone gotten far enough to find the stop and swop features?
- When will it get a XBLA release?
I refuse to get Nuts and Bolts till the text patch is released.
Isn't the stop and swop disabled? Every time theres somethign BK related on Gonintendo RMC goes on and on and on (and on) about it.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 03, 2008, 05:37:10 PM
Speaking of classic B-K...
- Anyone gotten far enough to find the stop and swop features?
- When will it get a XBLA release?
I refuse to get Nuts and Bolts till the text patch is released.
Isn't the stop and swop disabled? Every time theres somethign BK related on Gonintendo RMC goes on and on and on (and on) about it.
The summary on the XBLA page mentions stop and swop as a "legendary new addition". Its one of the things MS and Rare heavily advertise when talking B-K arcade.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 03, 2008, 08:34:19 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 05, 2008, 12:11:36 AM
Yep it is in the game, but since I haven't played BK Nuts and Bolts yet I'm not sure how it works.
Wait, I was talking about the original game. Do you need "Nuts and Bolts" in order to unlock the features in the original?
Post by: Nick DiMola on December 05, 2008, 12:20:14 AM
Post by: Dasmos on December 05, 2008, 02:00:02 AM
Post by: RABicle on December 05, 2008, 04:32:04 AM
I first encountered BK in an N64 demo kiosk. The game was not pickup-and-play friendly, and the world had no indication of what to accomplish. Never touched the game again.You didn't miss much. it was basically Mario 64 with worse controls, less levels and better graphics. Banjo Tooie was Banjo Kazooie but with even worse controls and the most boring levels ever. Graphics were possibly worse because they made all the elvels unreasonably big and empty that they included more textures so the textures that were there were more compressed and blurred.
Post by: EasyCure on December 05, 2008, 10:35:04 AM
I first encountered BK in an N64 demo kiosk. The game was not pickup-and-play friendly, and the world had no indication of what to accomplish. Never touched the game again.You didn't miss much. it was basically Mario 64 with worse controls, less levels and better graphics. Banjo Tooie was Banjo Kazooie but with even worse controls and the most boring levels ever. Graphics were possibly worse because they made all the elvels unreasonably big and empty that they included more textures so the textures that were there were more compressed and blurred.
Its sad that this post made me try and remember more about my time with BK1 and instead i keep getting levels confused with ones found in Donkey Kong 64 which is even more annoying with huge levels and crap controls. God how did i ever convince myself i was having fun with that, and beat it.. with 100% completion no less!
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 05, 2008, 01:48:32 PM
Post by: Nick DiMola on December 05, 2008, 01:56:29 PM
Post by: Schadenfreude on December 31, 2008, 01:44:18 AM
I've enjoyed vehicle creating a lot more then I thought I would. It's much easier and gives immediate satisfaction unlike Little Big Planet.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 31, 2008, 12:18:41 PM
Post by: Nick DiMola on December 31, 2008, 12:28:24 PM
So, any word on the SD Text update?
Pretty sure it's out there in the wild. My 360 is not connected to the net so I haven't checked for myself, but it supposedly is an effective update.
Post by: Caliban on December 31, 2008, 12:34:21 PM
