Gaming Forums => Nintendo Gaming => Topic started by: Pantburster on November 03, 2013, 04:14:02 AM
Title: Nintendo... WAKE UP! the deku tree has bad news for you
Post by: Pantburster on November 03, 2013, 04:14:02 AM
Why do Nintendo keep making moves like they want me to go elsewhere? I have been a Nintendo fan for about 25 years, but I'm starting to give up! All I require is one new attempt at a new IP every 18 months and 2 or 3 updates on existing franchises each year(actual new and full fat versions not HD or other 'updates') This means all Nintendo would have to do is make 3 or 4 quality games per year on each platform. This seems reasonable to me for a large and cash rich company, so why all the crap? software sells consoles and Nintendo's consoles ain't selling, so stop trying to pull the wool N we are not idiots! I would like to point out that i do like HD remakes etc but they don't constitute a proper game release and STOP ignoring the fans we DO want a new Metroid and we DO want an F Zero!
This kind of activity mentioned above has pushed me into buying a PS3 and playing more PC games and I feel a bit abandoned by Nintendo but i am starting to enjoy my GTA V and the new Tomb raider and such like. I am even enjoying the newer rayman releases as much as some of the classic Nintendo platformers. My plea is to demand Nintendo smarten up and do the right thing before more guys like me are forced to go elsewhere!!
Title: Re: Nintendo... WAKE UP! the deku tree has bad news for you
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 03, 2013, 06:13:42 AM
Why do Nintendo keep making moves like they want me to go elsewhere? I have been a Nintendo fan for about 25 years, but I'm starting to give up! All I require is one new attempt at a new IP every 18 months and 2 or 3 updates on existing franchises each year(actual new and full fat versions not HD or other 'updates') This means all Nintendo would have to do is make 3 or 4 quality games per year on each platform. This seems reasonable to me for a large and cash rich company, so why all the crap? software sells consoles and Nintendo's consoles ain't selling, so stop trying to pull the wool N we are not idiots! I would like to point out that i do like HD remakes etc but they don't constitute a proper game release and STOP ignoring the fans we DO want a new Metroid and we DO want an F Zero!
So all you want is 3-4 games each year with at least one being a new IP?
Wii U 2013
New IP
1. The Wonderful 101
Updates to existing franchise
1. Pikmin 3
2. Mario 3D World
Wii U 2014
New IP
1. Monolith Soft's new game
Updates to existing franchise
1. Mario Kart 8
2. Smash Bros
3. Yoshi Yarn
Looks like Nintendo is doing exactly what you want them to do.
Title: Re: Nintendo... WAKE UP! the deku tree has bad news for you
Post by: lolmonade on November 03, 2013, 08:02:10 AM
A new IP every 18 months? That seems a bit ambitious for any game developer, never mind one that is as conservative as Nintendo.
It seems like based on your post that you're more miffed that Nintendo hasn't released the updates to franchises YOU want (Metroid, F-Zero). Like it or not, those games aren't big financial winners for them, and given the struggles with the Wii U they've had, they want to release games that'll make the Wii U more appealing to the mass market.
You probably won't see a Metroid game until 2015 at the earliest, and I don't know when we can expect another F-Zero game, given that the game didn't really set the world on fire. (http://www.vgchartz.com/game/695/f-zero-gx/)
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Post by: Bizzy_Fatso on November 03, 2013, 12:30:21 PM
A new IP every 18 months? That seems a bit ambitious for any game developer, never mind one that is as conservative as Nintendo.
It seems like based on your post that you're more miffed that Nintendo hasn't released the updates to franchises YOU want (Metroid, F-Zero). Like it or not, those games aren't big financial winners for them, and given the struggles with the Wii U they've had, they want to release games that'll make the Wii U more appealing to the mass market.
You probably won't see a Metroid game until 2015 at the earliest, and I don't know when we can expect another F-Zero game, given that the game didn't really set the world on fire. (http://www.vgchartz.com/game/695/f-zero-gx/)
The problem is they're clearly failing at that - they seem to have no clue what will appeal to the mass market these days. Pikmin 3 was clearly a dud (and anyone could have predicted as much, given that the previous 2 didn't exactly set the world on fire and 3 was more of the same), New Super Mario U was an uninspired update to a tired series, Wind Waker HD was a painfully overpriced HD remake with no meaningful additions (aside from making some of the crappy parts of the original slightly less crappy). I'm sure the next Donkey Kong Country will be the huge financial success they need though, right.....?
Iwata needs to go.
Title: Re: Nintendo... WAKE UP! the deku tree has bad news for you
Post by: UncleBob on November 03, 2013, 02:49:09 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't recent numbers just show that Nintendo holds nearly 50% of the video game hardware market world-wide for the first part of 2013? And well over 50% of the Japanese market (nearly 75%)?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the number one gaming system (outside of smartphones and the like) the 3DS? The system everyone wrote off? Said would never sell? Didn't the 2DS - the system folks thought Nintendo was crazy for, just set some record-breaking sales numbers?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Nintendo have 18 of the top 20 all-time selling games, 11 of which were developed and released during Iwata's tenure as president of Nintendo? Yes, that's over HALF of the ALL-TIME best selling video games.
There's no denying that Iwata and Nintendo have made some missteps along the way - but I think the evidence speaks for itself.
Title: Re: Nintendo... WAKE UP! the deku tree has bad news for you
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 03, 2013, 03:08:23 PM
source? :P
Title: Re: Nintendo... WAKE UP! the deku tree has bad news for you
Post by: UncleBob on November 03, 2013, 03:45:31 PM
For which one? :D
Hardware sales for the first part of 2013: http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2013/04/3ds_market_share_for_early_2013_shows_growth_in_north_america_and_europe
3DS Best Selling System for five months straight: http://thevideogamenetwork.com/2013/10/17/nintendo-3ds-best-selling-system-5-months-in-a-row/
Top 30 Selling video games of all time: http://www.refinedguy.com/2013/06/11/the-30-best-selling-video-games-of-all-time/
Title: Re: Nintendo... WAKE UP! the deku tree has bad news for you
Post by: Stratos on November 03, 2013, 03:56:07 PM
It sounds to me like you want to leave Nintendo. Which is OK if you decide so.
I believe that Nintendo systems have plenty of games on them to keep me and most fans contented. Do they release everything I/we want? No, but what company does? If Nintendo is not fulfilling all of your gaming needs, then pick up a second system. PS3s and 360s are pretty cheap now and a lot of the quality exclusive titles on their systems are cheap as well. Also I'm willing to bet there is a backlog of titles you missed on older Nintendo systems. Browse a couple 'best of system' lists on NWR or other sites and grab the ones you missed off of Amazon for cheap.
I understand you are frustrated, but this is not an "It's complicated" relationship. It is OK to play games on other systems. Sometimes there are experiences only available or better enjoyed on specific devices.
But sounding off like a doomsday Klaxon doesn't seem to be helping the matter. All that is going to do is stir up the nest of Nintendo Apologists who will probably want to sting you.
Title: Re: Nintendo... WAKE UP! the deku tree has bad news for you
Post by: lolmonade on November 03, 2013, 04:11:23 PM
A new IP every 18 months? That seems a bit ambitious for any game developer, never mind one that is as conservative as Nintendo.
It seems like based on your post that you're more miffed that Nintendo hasn't released the updates to franchises YOU want (Metroid, F-Zero). Like it or not, those games aren't big financial winners for them, and given the struggles with the Wii U they've had, they want to release games that'll make the Wii U more appealing to the mass market.
You probably won't see a Metroid game until 2015 at the earliest, and I don't know when we can expect another F-Zero game, given that the game didn't really set the world on fire. (http://www.vgchartz.com/game/695/f-zero-gx/)
The problem is they're clearly failing at that - they seem to have no clue what will appeal to the mass market these days. Pikmin 3 was clearly a dud (and anyone could have predicted as much, given that the previous 2 didn't exactly set the world on fire and 3 was more of the same), New Super Mario U was an uninspired update to a tired series, Wind Waker HD was a painfully overpriced HD remake with no meaningful additions (aside from making some of the crappy parts of the original slightly less crappy). I'm sure the next Donkey Kong Country will be the huge financial success they need though, right.....?
Iwata needs to go.
I don't think that anyone truly believed Pikmin 3 would set the world on fire. Nintendo interlaces games that are more tailored towards core Nintendo gamers between their heavyweights (Mario Platformers).
I don't know whether you Played Mario U or not, but I found it to be the best NSMB game yet, even though I'd generally agree the series is getting a little stale. But I'll also mention they've sold roughly 2 million, which it isn't bad to have a 50% attach rate to your console.
I don't know what to tell you about the Wind Waker remake & the new Donkey Kong game. I think they're meant to fill the gap in Nintendo's release schedule while they work on the heavy hitters (Smash Bros, namely).
I also find it interesting you omit one of the most intriguing games Nintendo's shown in a while, Super Mario 3D World, a game it seems the developers went bananas with coming up with new gameplay ideas & mechanics. Your rant is more that Nintendo's not doing what YOU want them to do, not that they're failing from a business standpoint.
Title: Re: Nintendo... WAKE UP! the deku tree has bad news for you
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 03, 2013, 04:34:37 PM
Hardware sales for the first part of 2013: http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2013/04/3ds_market_share_for_early_2013_shows_growth_in_north_america_and_europe
3DS Best Selling System for five months straight: http://thevideogamenetwork.com/2013/10/17/nintendo-3ds-best-selling-system-5-months-in-a-row/
Top 30 Selling video games of all time: http://www.refinedguy.com/2013/06/11/the-30-best-selling-video-games-of-all-time/
wow. but for some reason I was expecting some wiki links (or no links at all). But I took you for your word, you didn't need to prove it to me (I've been out of the loop/news cycle for a long while, and I'm sure you noticed).
Think about this thread is on some level I agree with the OP. Nintendo has failed to hold my interest, but it's not the Wii U specifically, it's been that way since the Wii. I really think it's videogames in general, because where Nintendo has failed to hold my interest, the PS's & Xb's have failed to interest me at all.
p.s. (My Steam acct is also chocked full of games I have never really played and probably never will).
Title: Re: Nintendo... WAKE UP! the deku tree has bad news for you
Post by: Bizzy_Fatso on November 03, 2013, 05:00:35 PM
I don't think that anyone truly believed Pikmin 3 would set the world on fire. Nintendo interlaces games that are more tailored towards core Nintendo gamers between their heavyweights (Mario Platformers).
I don't know whether you Played Mario U or not, but I found it to be the best NSMB game yet, even though I'd generally agree the series is getting a little stale. But I'll also mention they've sold roughly 2 million, which it isn't bad to have a 50% attach rate to your console.
I don't know what to tell you about the Wind Waker remake & the new Donkey Kong game. I think they're meant to fill the gap in Nintendo's release schedule while they work on the heavy hitters (Smash Bros, namely).
I also find it interesting you omit one of the most intriguing games Nintendo's shown in a while, Super Mario 3D World, a game it seems the developers went bananas with coming up with new gameplay ideas & mechanics. Your rant is more that Nintendo's not doing what YOU want them to do, not that they're failing from a business standpoint.
NSMBU was fine - but it felt too similar to the others which I also played. 3D Land was great, but I'm not dying to get another one so soon after. You know what I wouldn't mind? Pretty much any game that won't give me deja vu from another title they already put out.
And let's be absolutely clear - Nintendo is only profitable (and barely profitable based on their most recent earnings) because of the 3DS. The Wii U is far and away the worst console launch (outside of the Virtual Boy, of course) that Nintendo has ever had. Iwata has presided over 2 terrible launches in a row now, and a big part of the reason the 3DS was able to recover so well is because it has no meaningful competition, which clearly isn't the case with the Wii U. They've completely squandered a year head start...you almost have to admire that level of incompetence.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on November 03, 2013, 05:08:06 PM
And let's be absolutely clear - Nintendo is only profitable (and barely profitable based on their most recent earnings) because of the 3DS. The Wii U is far and away the worst console launch (outside of the Virtual Boy, of course) that Nintendo has ever had. Iwata has presided over 2 terrible launches in a row now, and a big part of the reason the 3DS was able to recover so well is because it has no meaningful competition, which clearly isn't the case with the Wii U. They've completely squandered a year head start...you almost have to admire that level of incompetence.
Smartphones are the biggest competition Nintendo has ever had in the portable market. When the 3DS was selling terrible its early months, people were already declaring they'd lost their entire handheld audience to smartphones and it was impossible for the 3DS to recover.
So don't pull this same flawed argument with the Wii U either. Wait until the holiday is over before declaring the system dead or else you'll look just as foolish as the people calling the 3DS dead ended up looking.
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Post by: Stratos on November 03, 2013, 05:11:50 PM
I seem to recall the PS2 having a poor first year as well and look where it ended up. Plus the market is still broad and deep enough to support three major consoles.
Title: Re: Nintendo... WAKE UP! the deku tree has bad news for you
Post by: UncleBob on November 03, 2013, 05:26:00 PM
Remember how horrible the PS3 launch was? :D
Iwata also presided over the absolute most successful hardware launch not only in the history of Nintendo, but in the history of video games. In spite of all the naysayers who said Nintendo was doomed back then.
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Post by: Kytim89 on November 03, 2013, 06:15:55 PM
I have no doubt that the Wii U will be successful. However, the thing that is going to move hardware is software. This is why Nintendo needs to money hat weaker developers into putting games onto the Wii U. They need to become the number one place for independent developers, and whatever they can do for them then do it. Nintendo should have bought Atlus, and made the Wii U the number one place for niche games. This way people have no choice bu to buy the Wii U in order to have certain quality titles that can not be obtained on other consoles.
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Post by: shingi_70 on November 03, 2013, 06:20:40 PM
Iwata also presided over the absolute most successful hardware launch not only in the history of Nintendo, but in the history of video games. In spite of all the naysayers who said Nintendo was doomed back then.
and neither Howard Stringer or Crazy Ken are at Sony anymore. While I disagree that Iwata needs to go (I do feel Nintendo needs a major shake up mostly getting rid of reggie), but using the Wii's success means nothing in a different market.
Title: Re: Nintendo... WAKE UP! the deku tree has bad news for you
Post by: broodwars on November 03, 2013, 07:00:05 PM
I find the assurances that the Wii U will rebound like the 3DS did rather amusing, mainly because the Wii U has ALREADY failed to compete against the only hardware it ever had a serious shot at competing with technologically (PS3/360) with the only meaningful 3rd party support it will likely ever have. Now the next generation consoles are releasing, and Nintendo's upcoming software lineup is eerily as sparse as some of the worst years of previous Nintendo consoles, including delays to fill in wide software gaps. People love to bring up how certain franchises sold on Wii as an indicator of sales potential on the Wii U, but the Wii was a successful console with a massive install base. The Wii U has been a colossal failure with a tiny one. There's a BIT of a discrepancy there. And NOW the favorite talking point is that families will SOMEHOW save the Wii U now. Suuuuuuuuuure. Of Course they will. I'm SUUUUUUUURE that one 3D Mario game is going to do it when...
- 2 2D Mario games - 2 minigame collections - a GameCube Zelda rehash - a colorful, cartoony RTS game AND 1 colorful, cartoony brawler ALL FAILED. Miserably.
I'm sure the Wii U will one day be a decent console. All Nintendo home consoles have EVENTUALLY gotten compelling software lineups, but let's not kid ourselves here: the Wii U's not going to ever be a major, consistent sales threat. And in the end, Iwata will have presided over both Nintendo's most profitable accomplishment AND their greatest embarrassment since the Virtual Boy. That these were back-to-back occurrences doesn't speak well for him.
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Post by: the asylum on November 03, 2013, 07:12:15 PM
Why do you want to get rid of Reggie? He really doesnt do much other than act as Iwata's English-version avatar.
Also yes, the Wii was successful- from a sales standpoint. mostly because the smartphone craze hadn't really taken off yet. The only things that sold on the Wii were the handful of first-party titles and the heaps of shovelware. Real serious efforts from third partiesmostly fell flat in sales (Conduit, Mad World, etc). From a gaming standpoint, inarguably, the Wii was a colossal failure. (negative rep ahoy!)
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Post by: UncleBob on November 03, 2013, 07:30:11 PM
And in the end, Iwata will have presided over both Nintendo's most profitable accomplishment AND their greatest embarrassment since the Virtual Boy. That these were back-to-back occurrences doesn't speak well for him.
While I would be very impresses (and quite surprised) if Wii U ever did crazy sales like Wii, I'd be really, really surprised if it sold worse than the GCN/N64.
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Post by: Stratos on November 03, 2013, 08:08:20 PM
Why do you want to get rid of Reggie? He really doesnt do much other than act as Iwata's English-version avatar.Also yes, the Wii was successful- from a sales standpoint. mostly because the smartphone craze hadn't really taken off yet. The only things that sold on the Wii were the handful of first-party titles and the heaps of shovelware. Real serious efforts from third partiesmostly fell flat in sales (Conduit, Mad World, etc). From a gaming standpoint, inarguably, the Wii was a colossal failure. (negative rep ahoy!)
I think the definition of 'serious efforts' is stretched here. Most 3rd party games like Conduit were mediocre at best. Only thing they did right was bring the type of gameplay we wanted to the Wii's motion controls. I'm not saying the games were bad - many were quite fun and worth experiencing - but I would not classify them as serious efforts. The few I would consider serious like Godfather and Boom Blox either sold so poorly they couldn't financially justify sequels or their sequels did not perform as expected, killing future possibilities on the system.
The Wii U will probably fall into the same pit the Wii fell into only with bigger launch support. This time we are getting a bit more launch support from 3rd parties but it will most likely dry up next year. There will still be plenty of fun, unique and engaging titles for the U throughout the life of the system.
I am quite happy being a Wii owner and already there are enough titles on the Wii U that I know I will be a happy Wii U owner. I would LOVE to see the Wii U become a major platform for 3rd party creativity but the reality is Nintendo has not been in that position for nearly two decades. Most people have multiple consoles. For the price of two Nintendo games you can own a system to get your fix of non-Nintendo games. I will almost always choose the Nintendo console version of a multiplatform game as a vote of support for seeing Nintendo return to dominance but I'm not going to ignore the plethora of unique and fun Nintendo games because of their lack of success in the 'console wars'. I am a consumer who knows what he likes and I buy it.
Title: Re: Nintendo... WAKE UP! the deku tree has bad news for you
Post by: azeke on November 03, 2013, 11:05:32 PM
Bile spawn here is pretty hilarious.
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Post by: shingi_70 on November 04, 2013, 12:40:52 AM
At least the Wii U was primed to get indies until the PS4/Vita arrived.
Why do you want to get rid of Reggie? He really doesnt do much other than act as Iwata's English-version avatar.
Also yes, the Wii was successful- from a sales standpoint. mostly because the smartphone craze hadn't really taken off yet. The only things that sold on the Wii were the handful of first-party titles and the heaps of shovelware. Real serious efforts from third partiesmostly fell flat in sales (Conduit, Mad World, etc). From a gaming standpoint, inarguably, the Wii was a colossal failure. (negative rep ahoy!)
I feel that reggie is a yes man to Iwata and for Nintendo to become more competitive than NOA and NOE need to have more Independence from NCL. Looks at how Sony's Worldwide studios have helped the company for the better. But if were being honest the only way to get rid of reggie would be getting rid of Iwata.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on November 04, 2013, 02:32:24 AM
The problem with asking to get rid of Reggie is obvious. If NCL only wants a Yes Man, then they will just hire another Yes Man. So getting rid of Reggie doesn't solve the problem.
Now, I am saying Nintendo's Wii U is a success or going to be a success. But, I do think it is premature to write it off before its competition has even been released. Let's see how those launches pan out. We could be seeing the state of the industry right now. Perhaps gamers don't really want to upgrade right now. Perhaps they were fine with the current state of gaming.
Lets see where Nintendo is after this holiday season, and into 2014...where hopefully Nintendo will have a steady stream of solid 1st party games, and will be gaining support from indie 3rd parties and other developers. Let's see if the industry decides that pushing bigger and more expensive games is really the direction they want to go...or developers will change direction and perhaps chose Nintendo as their platform to do just that.
I am not wishful thinking, and I do agree Nintendo seems to be in trouble this generation, but I am not going to write them off before their competition even sells one system. Nor should you.
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Post by: MagicCow64 on November 04, 2013, 01:12:33 PM
I think we can draw a pretty strong conclusion here that we should wait til the holidays are over until we start entering the stages of grief. I'm not super optimistic, but no need to lose hair over this prematurely. And I'm a guy who will not be adapting to XStation world.
The only concrete thing here I find worrying is the ghost town release schedule next year. But given how weirdly card-chesty Nintendo has become, I think it's safe to assume we'll get several waves of announcements before E3. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a major Direct in the next six weeks to draw off attention from Sony and Microsoft.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on November 04, 2013, 09:45:00 PM
Honestly, Nintendo just needs a game released in Feb. April, June/July and August. If they can have some sold exclusives that are released in the first half of the year, Nintendo can ride the holiday season. I think Smash Bros will be the big holiday season hit. But if Nintendo could finish it for the summer hit, and give us Mario Kart for the next Christmas, or vice versa we would be set. It would be too much to ask for the new Zelda to be ready for Next Christmas, but I am sure Nintendo will surprise us with a few interesting smaller games.
And now that Nintendo has righted the 3DS boat, they can now focus on filling the Wii U game list with several top tier games.
Title: Re: Nintendoomed thread #379
Post by: pokepal148 on November 04, 2013, 11:32:59 PM
Seriously I feel like were becoming a broken record here...
Title: Re: Nintendo... WAKE UP! the deku tree has bad news for you
Post by: shingi_70 on November 05, 2013, 12:14:06 AM
Do we factor in DLC, eshop games, and Virtual Console as valid releases.
Donkey Kong country Tropical freeze Bayonetta 2 Wii Sports Baseball Wii Sports Golf Steel Diver Yarn Yoshi Pikmin 3 story DLC Smash Bros Wii U X
Title: Re: Nintendo... WAKE UP! the deku tree has bad news for you
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 05, 2013, 01:11:21 AM
New eshop games I would totally count as new games.
Download Content I do not count as a new game...unless it can be played standalone, or is something substantial like New Super Luigi Bros U.
Virtual Console games are not new...and should not be considered. Same with old Wiiware games being released or becoming available on the eshop.
Title: Re: Nintendoomed thread #379
Post by: Pixelated Pixies on November 05, 2013, 01:38:00 AM
Seriously I feel like were becoming a broken record here...
A good one? The record, I mean. 'Cause if we're going to be stuck in this interminable loop then I hope it's something good, you know? Maybe some Floyd or Talking Heads for instance...I could live with that.
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Post by: Khushrenada on November 05, 2013, 02:03:06 AM
Don't you miss it?
Don't you miss it?!
Some of you people just about missed it.
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Post by: Pixelated Pixies on November 05, 2013, 07:50:00 AM
Same as it ever was! Same as it ever was! Same as it ever was! Same as it ever was! Same as it ever was! Same as it ever was!
*repeating into infinity
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Post by: shingi_70 on November 05, 2013, 12:48:12 PM
From today's Investor Q&A http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/131031qa/02.html (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/131031qa/02.html)
[quote]Other companies will launch new consoles (in the overseas markets at the end of this year), but I think they focus on targeting highly skilled users. Therefore, in that sense, though the competition will heat up because new game consoles will come out and there will be a 'war of the game consoles' played out in media articles, we wonder if the target user will actually be the same.
Such a weird quote despite it ringing a bit true. It reads like Nintendo has given up on the core game a year in.
[quote]"The games available at the end of this calendar year, 'Super Mario 3D World,' 'Wii Party U,' 'Mario & Sonic at the Sochi 2014 Olympic Winter Games,' 'Wii Sports Club' and 'Wii Fit U,' all lean more toward family use, and we are targeting those who bought Wii and would be interested in the Wii U offerings. That is slightly different than what other companies are aiming for."Thus, in the sense that we attract consumers interested in this category of video games, I think the launch of other video game systems is also good for us because they energize the video game industry as a whole."Despite lacking a core appeal this Christmas, though, Iwata claims that Nintendo has "a number of Wii U games for next year that greatly appeal to highly skilled users".I have to wonder if this is still the internal thinking at NCL or do they have to parrot this to save face in front of investors (unifed front and all that) while they have all this Wii styled software coming out in rapid succession.
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Post by: Stratos on November 05, 2013, 12:52:21 PM
So the are hoping to draw in the casual family Wii owner this holiday and then next year work on their core titles. We do have games like Monolithsoft's X and Smash Brothers coming. I'm hoping this is a sign of more awesome core titles in the pipes now that they are working out the kinks in HD development.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on November 05, 2013, 04:32:21 PM
Well tomorrow we'll get our first look at how this strategy might go. The new bundles with NSMB U and Wii Party U, and the others with Wii Fit U that were aimed at families were released last week in Japan. So we'll at least see how family in Japan are reacting to the new deals.
Title: Re: Nintendo... WAKE UP! the deku tree has bad news for you
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 05, 2013, 04:55:49 PM
Well, the quote is interesting. It shows that Nintendo still believes the family and casual markets are important. Which I believe they are important. Right now Nintendo is almost the ONLY company making good AAA titles with the focus of all ages. The games are not necessarily easier, but do not rely on complex gameplay to be fun.
I am somewhat worried because the casual market is the same Wii market and they don't buy many games.
Though, I am also relieved by the comments and understanding that "core" games for experienced players must be present for the system to succeed, and they are doing everything they can to get several core games out for 2014.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on November 06, 2013, 03:42:32 PM
Well look at that. According to the recent Japanese sales, the Wii U jumped to 38k last week thanks to the new bundles. This is the largest amount of Wii U's sold in a single week since last December in Japan.
So it pretty much proves the point that their are still families out their that were interested in a Wii U but didn't see enough value in buying one. Well now with the new bundles in Japan at least, there's some more value and low and behold the system got it's largest sales in almost a year because of it.
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Post by: broodwars on November 06, 2013, 03:50:27 PM
Well look at that. According to the recent Japanese sales, the Wii U jumped to 38k last week thanks to the new bundles. This is the largest amount of Wii U's sold in a single week since last December in Japan.
So it pretty much proves the point that their are still families out their that were interested in a Wii U but didn't see enough value in buying one. Well now with the new bundles in Japan at least, there's some more value and low and behold the system got it's largest sales in almost a year because of it.
Let's see what it looks like a few weeks to a few months from now. There's always a temporary sales bump from new hardware and price drops, as we've seen from the Vita this year.
Title: Re: Nintendo... GO BACK TO SLEEP! the deku tree has good news for you
Post by: Khushrenada on November 06, 2013, 04:52:06 PM
Well look at that. According to the recent Japanese sales, the Wii U jumped to 38k last week thanks to the new bundles. This is the largest amount of Wii U's sold in a single week since last December in Japan.
So it pretty much proves the point that their are still families out their that were interested in a Wii U but didn't see enough value in buying one. Well now with the new bundles in Japan at least, there's some more value and low and behold the system got it's largest sales in almost a year because of it.
Let's see what it looks like a few weeks to a few months from now. There's always a temporary sales bump from new hardware and price drops, as we've seen from the Vita this year.
Broodwars is right. This is a Nintendo fault finding thread. Take your positive spin of rainbows and sunshine and shove it up your butt. The rest of us aren't done crapping on Nintendo yet.
Title: Re: Nintendo... GO BACK TO SLEEP! the deku tree has good news for you
Post by: broodwars on November 07, 2013, 02:15:44 AM
Well look at that. According to the recent Japanese sales, the Wii U jumped to 38k last week thanks to the new bundles. This is the largest amount of Wii U's sold in a single week since last December in Japan.
So it pretty much proves the point that their are still families out their that were interested in a Wii U but didn't see enough value in buying one. Well now with the new bundles in Japan at least, there's some more value and low and behold the system got it's largest sales in almost a year because of it.
Let's see what it looks like a few weeks to a few months from now. There's always a temporary sales bump from new hardware and price drops, as we've seen from the Vita this year.
Broodwars is right. This is a Nintendo fault finding thread. Take your positive spin of rainbows and sunshine and shove it up your butt. The rest of us aren't done crapping on Nintendo yet.
I'm actually in a very "wait and see" position with these news. Sales bumps come and go, and Luigi Dude seems to take every one of them as a sign from the Almighty that he was right all along. It's not about "crapping on Nintendo". It's about seeing if this is a trend or just another temporary sales bump from the country whose sales no longer matter.
