According to the Anonymous-allied hackers (http://www.tecca.com/news/2012/02/03/anonymous-fbi-call-hack/), a list of 12.4 million Apple Unique Device Identifiers (UDID) was found on an FBI agent's Dell notebook. Each UDID was associated with user names, device info, and in some cases, phone numbers, names, and addresses. It is unknown why the FBI would have such information on hand. AntiSec leaked 1,000,001 of those UDIDs to bring light to the government's data collecting effort
Oh no UDIDn't!
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: Ceric on September 04, 2012, 02:53:36 PM
That just happen to also be the only way those 1,000,001 people could every find out there AppleID.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: Oblivion on September 04, 2012, 05:08:18 PM
They did so so at least 1/12 of the people the FBI is tracking could see if they were on the list. I wasn't on the list, but I could still be on one of the other 11 million UDIDs. I love how more people are pissed that hackers have some of them when the FBI had them in the first place. Fucking idiots.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: Plugabugz on September 04, 2012, 05:17:08 PM
They did so so at least 1/12 of the people the FBI is tracking could see if they were on the list. I wasn't on the list, but I could still be on one of the other 11 million UDIDs. I love how more people are pissed that hackers have some of them when the FBI had them in the first place. Fucking idiots.
Agreed.
Which brings me to my second question. Why were these on a laptop?
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 04, 2012, 08:18:41 PM
I question this criminal group's claims in the first place. Maybe they are telling the truth, maybe not. I don't trust these criminals having the personal info of 12 million people, even if they only released 1/12th of it.
Yes, I already know the reaction some people will have to my post.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 04, 2012, 09:18:21 PM
But you trust the FBI with it?
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 04, 2012, 09:24:43 PM
IF the FBI had it (which I don't think they did, this criminal group offers no proof the FBI did, and which the FBI has called the claim false), I wouldn't care less. They can't track my with the info, and I have nothing suspicious on it.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 04, 2012, 09:39:25 PM
Why couldn't they? If the "criminals" can use it to do whatever, then the FBI can as well...the FBI doesn't NEED any of this stuff, which makes it more suspicious if they do have it.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: nickmitch on September 04, 2012, 10:12:16 PM
They did so so at least 1/12 of the people the FBI is tracking could see if they were on the list. I wasn't on the list, but I could still be on one of the other 11 million UDIDs. I love how more people are pissed that hackers have some of them when the FBI had them in the first place. Fucking idiots.
Agreed.
Which brings me to my second question. Why were these on a laptop?
Is the problem really the laptop? People who work with information tend to carry it around that way.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: nickmitch on September 04, 2012, 10:14:17 PM
Why couldn't they? If the "criminals" can use it to do whatever, then the FBI can as well...the FBI doesn't NEED any of this stuff, which makes it more suspicious if they do have it.
I would think that there should be enough trust in a government agency to not do anything malicious with private data. Whether they got it through nefarious means or not, you have to at least assume it was for a reason that seemed like a good one at the time.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 04, 2012, 10:26:50 PM
Maybe it was all part of the War on Terrorism(TM)
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Post by: Morari on September 04, 2012, 10:30:55 PM
And we know that nothing nefarious has ever been done in the name of "homeland security"... :-\
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: UncleBob on September 05, 2012, 01:22:47 AM
They did so so at least 1/12 of the people the FBI is tracking could see if they were on the list. I wasn't on the list, but I could still be on one of the other 11 million UDIDs. I love how more people are pissed that hackers have some of them when the FBI had them in the first place. Fucking idiots.
Agreed.
Which brings me to my second question. Why were these on a laptop?
Is the problem really the laptop? People who work with information tend to carry it around that way.
For all intents yes it is the problem. A few years back sensitive government data was left on laptops and USB drives which was left on public transport across london. A few times.
How do you avoid these hacks/leakages happening in this fashion? Don't allow the data to leave the building.
By putting it on a portable device the risk of theft or unauthorised access simply increases. Even with encryption, you're still physically carrying the device that contains the data you want.
I'm not going to get into why they had it as thats not the primary issue for me. If they can't keep the data they do have secure by policy then that tends to worry me more.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: Oblivion on September 05, 2012, 11:53:30 AM
I don't care about "hackers" having my UDID. I care about the FBI having it. The "hackers" could've kept it a secret while using the UDIDs maliciously, but they came forward to let us know about it. I want to know why the FBI were using 12 million UDIDs. Obviously, it was for tracking, but why?
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 05, 2012, 12:40:10 PM
I don't care about "hackers" having my UDID. I care about the FBI having it. The "hackers" could've kept it a secret while using the UDIDs maliciously, but they came forward to let us know about it. I want to know why the FBI were using 12 million UDIDs. Obviously, it was for tracking, but why?
You are assuming these hacker criminals are telling the truth. Second, the UDID's aren't used to track you. Third, I trust the FBI with that info more than a bunch of criminals.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: Oblivion on September 05, 2012, 12:53:58 PM
LOL hacker criminals? Like I said in that post you quoted, they didn't have to say a word. They could've went on their merry little way while having all these UDIDs and not tell us. Also, the UDIDs have records of the **** on your iOS device. Your browsing history, credit card numbers, etc, etc.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: Stogi on September 05, 2012, 01:09:15 PM
Over the past month, I have been contemplating when, if ever, the government will give back the power dictated in the Patriot Act. And I've come to the conclusion: only when the people ask for it back. What organizations, if they can be called that, like Anti-sec and Anonymous are trying to do is show how voluntarily and involuntarily we give up our personal information to those undeserving or to those who can't protect it or both.
These organizations are based on a trust with the people that they can never break or forever link the word hacker with criminal. And it is because their honor and vitality as a truth-sayer is so fragile that I believe them when they speak. I have no other choice. I remain sceptical, but more so to those entities that they out, for they have less to lose.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 05, 2012, 01:38:21 PM
Over the past month, I have been contemplating when, if ever, the government will give back the power dictated in the Patriot Act.
When has any government ever in the history of mankind voluntarily given back any kind of power? At the time it was introduced the Patriot act was said to be temporary measure, but it has now become permanent. People aren't even really talking about it anymore. We just seem to accept it even though its unconstitutional.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: Stogi on September 05, 2012, 01:49:50 PM
We are in agreement, though I don't think we accept it. I think most people fear what'll happen if we don't accept it.
But no more talk about that unless you want someone to quote FDR.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on September 05, 2012, 02:14:28 PM
When has any government ever in the history of mankind voluntarily given back any kind of power?
The Canadian Government has, thank you very much. I refer you to the Quebec "October Crisis" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Crisis) of 1970 when the War Measures Act was temporarily invoked. From Wikipedia:
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The circumstances ultimately culminated in the only peacetime use of the War Measures Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Measures_Act) in Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada)'s history ...
the War Measures Act gave police the power to arrest people without warrant, and 497 people were arrested ...
Once the War Measures Act was in place, arrangements were made for all detainees to see legal counsel. There were cases, however few, of people having cause to be upset by the method of their interrogation; however, the majority of those interviewed after had little cause to complain and several even commented on the courteous nature of the interrogations and searches,[20] In addition, the Quebec Ombudsman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Quebec#Quebec_Ombudsman), Louis Marceau, was instructed to hear complaints of detainees, and the Quebec government agreed to pay damages to any person unjustly arrested. On February 3, 1971, John Turner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Turner), Minister of Justice of Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_of_Justice_(Canada)), reported that 497 persons had been arrested under the War Measures Act, of whom 435 had already been released. The other 62 were charged, of which 32 were accused of crimes of such seriousness that a Quebec Superior Court (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_Superior_Court) judge refused them bail. ...
Since then, however, the government's use of the War Measures Act in peacetime has been a subject of debate in Canada as it gave police sweeping powers of arrest and detention.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: Ceric on September 05, 2012, 02:25:46 PM
Different times I think about moving to Canada.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 05, 2012, 02:27:01 PM
We just seem to accept it even though its unconstitutional.
I didn't realize you were a member of the Supreme Court and can decide what is unconstitutional. Parts of the USA PATRIOT Act could be debatable, other parts are clearly constitutional.
Nothing has happened or will ever happen to people who don't support it.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: nickmitch on September 05, 2012, 09:20:27 PM
They did so so at least 1/12 of the people the FBI is tracking could see if they were on the list. I wasn't on the list, but I could still be on one of the other 11 million UDIDs. I love how more people are pissed that hackers have some of them when the FBI had them in the first place. Fucking idiots.
Agreed.
Which brings me to my second question. Why were these on a laptop?
Is the problem really the laptop? People who work with information tend to carry it around that way.
For all intents yes it is the problem. A few years back sensitive government data was left on laptops and USB drives which was left on public transport across london. A few times.
How do you avoid these hacks/leakages happening in this fashion? Don't allow the data to leave the building.
By putting it on a portable device the risk of theft or unauthorised access simply increases. Even with encryption, you're still physically carrying the device that contains the data you want.
I'm not going to get into why they had it as thats not the primary issue for me. If they can't keep the data they do have secure by policy then that tends to worry me more.
Most government agencies forbid flash drives from being on their premises. The problem is people still need to do work even if they're not in the office and remote access isn't always ideal or possible. I know it doesn't seem safe, but it's really the individual in question who acted irresponsibly, not the agency.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 05, 2012, 09:34:20 PM
**** hackers, **** the FBI.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: oohhboy on September 05, 2012, 09:50:32 PM
When has any government ever in the history of mankind voluntarily given back any kind of power?
The Canadian Government has, thank you very much. I refer you to the Quebec "October Crisis" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Crisis) of 1970 when the War Measures Act was temporarily invoked. From Wikipedia:
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The circumstances ultimately culminated in the only peacetime use of the War Measures Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Measures_Act) in Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada)'s history ...
the War Measures Act gave police the power to arrest people without warrant, and 497 people were arrested ...
Once the War Measures Act was in place, arrangements were made for all detainees to see legal counsel. There were cases, however few, of people having cause to be upset by the method of their interrogation; however, the majority of those interviewed after had little cause to complain and several even commented on the courteous nature of the interrogations and searches,[20] In addition, the Quebec Ombudsman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Quebec#Quebec_Ombudsman), Louis Marceau, was instructed to hear complaints of detainees, and the Quebec government agreed to pay damages to any person unjustly arrested. On February 3, 1971, John Turner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Turner), Minister of Justice of Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_of_Justice_(Canada)), reported that 497 persons had been arrested under the War Measures Act, of whom 435 had already been released. The other 62 were charged, of which 32 were accused of crimes of such seriousness that a Quebec Superior Court (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_Superior_Court) judge refused them bail. ...
Since then, however, the government's use of the War Measures Act in peacetime has been a subject of debate in Canada as it gave police sweeping powers of arrest and detention.
Didn't they do the same thing when there was the G something summit here in Toronto. There were a lot of people arrested and then let go, some were left detained, a lot of complaints, etc.
If anyone thinks **** doesn't happen here in Canada, I can tell you are misinformed. **** is happening.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 05, 2012, 11:24:53 PM
Canada is the Russia of the western hemisphere... at least it is in terms of geography and climate. Politically maybe it is too, I don't know.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on September 06, 2012, 02:15:04 PM
Didn't they do the same thing when there was the G something summit here in Toronto. There were a lot of people arrested and then let go, some were left detained, a lot of complaints, etc.
The difference with the G8 was that those arrests were just plain unlawful, not done under the authority of some legislation that permitted suspension of rights, like the War Measures Act or the USA PATRIOT Act.
Was that really necessary? I said I didn't know. Why rub it in?
That was my version of dry wit. You're too sensitive.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: oohhboy on September 06, 2012, 04:25:07 PM
If you run into a Canadian, they give you donuts.*
*Based on HIMYM and may have no basis in fact.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: nickmitch on September 06, 2012, 10:18:13 PM
I've run in to several Canadians in my life and have only received donuts on one such occasion.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: Sarail on September 06, 2012, 10:27:43 PM
Man, now I'm craving donuts. Thanks a lot, guys. :/
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on September 07, 2012, 04:19:05 AM
I just had to cut in on this political-feeling thread with a goofy comment before it's locked or forgotten forever. Also, what the hell is the FBI doing with a bunch of Apple user IDs? Did Apple just hand them over? Did the FBI just take them?
You are assuming these hacker criminals are telling the truth. Second, the UDID's aren't used to track you. Third, I trust the FBI with that info more than a bunch of criminals.
The FBI commits crimes all the time, hth
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 07, 2012, 10:08:38 AM
The only people saying the FBI had the IDs is this group of criminals. Both Apple and the FBI have confirmed that the claim is false.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: UncleBob on September 07, 2012, 10:13:05 AM
As opposed to the headline "Apple confirms they turned over 10 million users' data to the FBI - cares not for privacy of customers"?
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on September 07, 2012, 10:16:53 AM
"confirmed"
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on September 07, 2012, 10:18:56 AM
Both Apple and the FBI have confirmed that the claim is false.
Yeah, actually, no, here's what they said:
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"The FBI is aware of published reports alleging that an FBI laptop was compromised and private data regarding Apple UDIDs (unique device IDs) was exposed," according to an FBI spokesperson. "At this time there is no evidence indicating that an FBI laptop was compromised or that the FBI either sought or obtained this data."
As of Tuesday afternoon, there had been no independent verification that the IDs came from an FBI computer. Apple did not respond to a request for comment.
"We don't have any way of confirming the source of the data, or what else might have been taken, but it does appear that the files do contain at least some genuine Apple UDIDs," said Graham Cluley, a senior tech consultant at Sophos Security. "Certainly things would be worse if the personal info was also released. But at the moment it feels as if the hackers might be more interested in embarrassing the FBI and causing mischief than putting innocent users at risk."
It sounds like they're covering their asses rather than straight up denying.
Also why do people even buy Apple products? http://www.zdnet.com/apple-patent-could-remotely-disable-protesters-phone-cameras-7000003640/
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: nickmitch on September 07, 2012, 07:55:17 PM
If they used that to keep peoples phones from working during a movie, then I'm all fucking for it. I hate that ****.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 07, 2012, 10:18:04 PM
**** that. No one should have ANY say over when I can use my device but me.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: UncleBob on September 07, 2012, 11:33:13 PM
**** that. No one should have ANY say over when I can use my device but me.
If you're on my property, I should be allowed to tell you to shut up or leave. Same for the owner of the theater.
Exactly right. One could argue "no one has any say over my bowel movements but me", but that doesn't give you the right to have a bowel movement on someone else's property. You have the right to have bowel movements, but only where it is appropriate. The same goes for cell phones.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on September 08, 2012, 02:02:29 AM
I will not tolerate movie theaters or police unauthorized access to my bowels
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: Sarail on September 08, 2012, 09:28:29 AM
That's a load of crap. I will not take this sitting down.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: Oblivion on September 08, 2012, 11:52:11 AM
**** that. No one should have ANY say over when I can use my device but me.
Ah, you're one of those people in the theater, eh?
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 08, 2012, 05:14:25 PM
No, not at all - but no one should have the right or ability to cause someone's phone to not work. First, that seems like an FCC violation, and second, there are these things called "emergencies" when someone might be trying to call to let you know that your house is on fire or a family member was in an accident, you know, little things like that.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: UncleBob on September 08, 2012, 07:21:06 PM
No, not at all - but no one should have the right or ability to cause someone's phone to not work. First, that seems like an FCC violation, and second, there are these things called "emergencies" when someone might be trying to call to let you know that your house is on fire or a family member was in an accident, you know, little things like that.
A) Leave the building. If it's an emergency, you're not going to stay at the theater and watch the movie anyway. B) You'd think the Human Race never managed to survive before cell phone communications.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 08, 2012, 08:09:26 PM
If there's an emergency, shouldn't someone call 911? 20 years ago few people had cellphones, and somehow the world got by. I know its hard to believe, but turning your cellphone off for about 2 hours isn't going to be the end of the world. Again, if someone you know is having an emergency they shouldn't be calling you at the theater anyway. They should call 911 instead. Anything that isn't 911 worthy can afford to wait a couple hours, right?
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 08, 2012, 08:27:32 PM
A) I'm not trying to make a case for actually using a cell phone in a movie theater, I'm making a case for not being able to disable a cellular radio. B) I don't even know how people survived without air conditioning, let alone cell phones. C) (For Chozo) Yes, they should call 911 - but after that happens it would be nice to call the people that need to know about said emergency. Also, I would certainly hope that said person calling me with an EMERGENCY wouldn't stop and think, "oh, he's at the movies, I'll wait and let him find out that his family member was in a terrible car crash until afterwards."
It doesn't just have to be at a movie theater anyway. This is a (potentially) horribly dangerous technology, and the idea that someone is even developing it is much more alarming that someone patenting it.
And BEING ABLE TO receive a phone call and taking a **** in someone's yard are hardly comparable.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 08, 2012, 08:29:08 PM
It is an FCC violation, and is illegal for the reasons Brandogg mentioned. You can get into a lot of trouble for purposely blocking wireless signals.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 08, 2012, 09:04:48 PM
I don't have a problem with people receiving calls if its an emergency, but the problem is people have no scruples and aren't considerate of other people in theaters or elsewhere. Unless its blocked entirely, people wouldn't just limit it to emergencies. They would use it to talk about random pointless **** while other people are trying to enjoy the movie and ruin the enjoyment of it for everyone.
And if someone is in an accident during that brief window of time you are in a theater it isn't likely to make much difference in the scheme of things. What could you do in 2 hours that would have made a difference? Emergency services via 911 could make a difference within that time, but you could not. They say ignorance is bliss, so isn't it better if you didn't find out horrible news like that until after the movie has finished anyway? If bad news is going to come at least let it not ruin your movie.
Also, someone could have an accident while you were asleep. Do you sleep with your phone turned on beside you so that it will wake you up in the middle of the night? Some do, some don't. But my point is bad news can wait a few hours. Why be in a hurry to hear bad news? You'll find out eventually... but in the meantime enjoy whatever you are doing.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: oohhboy on September 08, 2012, 09:57:57 PM
Cheap cellphone blocking technology isn't selective and "Consumer" models are especially poor in the lack of controllability. You can't set it to "911" mode, it's all or nothing. You also have liability issues if the blocking signal leaving your premises. People on a cellphone in theaters is annoying, but blocking the signal isn't a solution and is a gross over reaction. This isn't worth the digital equivalent of a gagball every time you enter or go near a theater.
Beside there are plenty of scenarios where your presence is time critical life and death or otherwise.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 08, 2012, 10:03:26 PM
I don't have a problem with people receiving calls if its an emergency, but the problem is people have no scruples and aren't considerate of other people in theaters or elsewhere. Unless its blocked entirely, people wouldn't just limit it to emergencies. They would use it to talk about random pointless **** while other people are trying to enjoy the movie and ruin the enjoyment of it for everyone.
And if someone is in an accident during that brief window of time you are in a theater it isn't likely to make much difference in the scheme of things. What could you do in 2 hours that would have made a difference? Emergency services via 911 could make a difference within that time, but you could not. They say ignorance is bliss, so isn't it better if you didn't find out horrible news like that until after the movie has finished anyway? If bad news is going to come at least let it not ruin your movie.
Also, someone could have an accident while you were asleep. Do you sleep with your phone turned on beside you so that it will wake you up in the middle of the night? Some do, some don't. But my point is bad news can wait a few hours. Why be in a hurry to hear bad news? You'll find out eventually... but in the meantime enjoy whatever you are doing.
What could you do? Oh, I don't know, maybe comfort the person or say goodbye to them on the chance that the injuries are life-threatening...
And it doesn't always have to be bad news. What if someone is calling to let you know that there's a guy down the street handing out free money?
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 08, 2012, 10:10:30 PM
On that very off chance, you have point. But how often does something like that happen? I don't think we should live in fear and drastically alter our lives on unlikely circumstances such as this. We should enjoy life. If that means shutting off our cellphones for a brief period of time, so be it.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: oohhboy on September 08, 2012, 10:19:40 PM
The problem is that you should be given the choice to switch off, not be forced to do so to enjoy a legitimate activity. That "Off chance" is far more important than someone being inconsiderate.
The only time Cellphone blocking is ever acceptable is national security in areas where outside communications is a real threat to the information inside or is a life and death situation like a radio controlled destructive device.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 08, 2012, 10:29:36 PM
The only time Cellphone blocking is ever acceptable is national security in areas where outside communications is a real threat to the information inside or is a life and death situation like a radio controlled destructive device.
Something like that could be in a movie theater. If you are going to base something off remote chances, well this is probably no less remote than someone having an accident and you only having a few minutes to make it to them before they die. Movie theaters would make a prime target for terrorists because of the concentration of people. In fact, didn't a terrorist shoot up a theater just recently? If you want to worry about stuff that could happen while you are in a theater, someone setting off a radio controlled bomb is certainly a possibility. If cell phone blocking can block a bomb from being detonated then its not only makes the movie viewing experience less annoying, but also can save lives. So that's two valid reasons for it.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 08, 2012, 10:35:42 PM
Chozo, that's very TJ Spyke of you.
This has quickly turned into the worst thread ever.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: oohhboy on September 08, 2012, 10:41:30 PM
What the hell Chozo Ghost, do you live in Iraq?
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 08, 2012, 11:05:13 PM
I just want movie theaters to be a safe place without violence or interruptions. Is that too much to ask?
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: oohhboy on September 08, 2012, 11:07:55 PM
That Batman theater shooting really did a number on your mental processes. Seek help.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 08, 2012, 11:08:42 PM
That Batman theater shooting really did a number on your mental processes. Seek help.
I don't know who to turn to.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: oohhboy on September 08, 2012, 11:22:16 PM
Knowing where you live, I know your options are limited. Your best option right now is to talk about it, but not here in the open like this. There has to be a friend/family somewhere who you can talk with to some extent. The Batman incident was most like just a trigger to an underlying issue you are dealing with but haven't identified.
From where I am sitting, your risk assessment processes are out of norms. While focusing on statistically insignificant risk is normal in a high stress conflict situation, it is not when you are having to come to a Nintendo gaming forum for help. All I can do from here is give you facts to work with and they won't help because your risk assessment is out of line.
If you are completely unable to find someone to just talk to, give me a PM and I will be happy to give you an hour or two of my time over Skype. It is the best I can do.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: Oblivion on September 08, 2012, 11:23:06 PM
Okay, I'll take you up on your offer.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: UncleBob on September 09, 2012, 12:23:47 AM
It is an FCC violation, and is illegal for the reasons Brandogg mentioned. You can get into a lot of trouble for purposely blocking wireless signals.
Incorrect - it's not illegal at all for the reasons Brandogg mentioned. It's illegal because the carrier (Verizon, AT&T, etc.) paid the government for those particular "airwaves" and for you to "squat" on them with a device that interferes equates to "trespassing" on their property.
This is why it's perfectly legal to build a building that shields the interior from receiving cell phone signals (like a giant Faraday cage). The end result is the same - people inside cannot receive cell phone signal - but the method (blocking vs. jamming) is completely different.
With that said, the number of folks who have actually gotten in trouble for jamming are very, very far and few.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 09, 2012, 01:18:28 AM
I heard Cuba uses radio jamming to block transmissions from the US.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: nickmitch on September 09, 2012, 12:44:53 PM
Is it too much just to ask that people not text/take calls and just silence their phones during a movie? I get that you might "forget" to silence it, but there are signs before you walk in and a fucking commercial before the movie telling you not to do that. Yet, people still do it anyway. It's like, what the hell?
Assholes, am I right?
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: UncleBob on September 09, 2012, 01:15:34 PM
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 09, 2012, 03:34:28 PM
I remember hearing that voice call on The Tonight Show. That is a good reason why movie theatres should not serve alcohol.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: Sarail on September 09, 2012, 06:33:54 PM
Oh my. That is brilliant. That's what she gets. SERVED.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 10, 2012, 09:17:25 PM
Surprise, surprise. The criminals known as Anonymous LIED. They did not steal the UDID's from the FBI. A Florida publishing company called BlueToad (a digital publishing company) has confirmed that the info was hacked from their servers:
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 10, 2012, 11:00:36 PM
Because cover-ups do not exist.
Anyway, who's to say that the FBI didn't get the info from BlueToad's vulnerability, and that AntiSec got it from the FBI? I know it's a stretch...but...whatever...I don't even own any Apple devices or have a UDID.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 10, 2012, 11:01:45 PM
Are you shocked that a group of people who exist to break the law would lie about where they get their stuff?
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on September 11, 2012, 09:17:58 AM
From Wired:
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Blue Toad, a developer of applications for magazine publishers and others, acknowledged to NBC that there is a “98 percent correlation between” the dataset of nearly 1 million Apple UDID’s released by AntiSec and a database of UDIDs that Blue Toad maintains. The company’s CEO said that their database had been hacked “in the past two weeks,” which differs from the timeline during which AntiSec claims it obtained the data last March.
Blue Toad did not rule out the possibility, however, that AntiSec was telling the truth when it said it stole the data from the laptop of an FBI agent.
Blue Toad CEO Paul DeHart told NBC that it was possible that “the data stolen from his company’s servers was shared with others, and eventually made its way onto an FBI computer.”
I'm waiting for what anonymous has to say about it.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: Morari on September 11, 2012, 10:53:32 AM
And if someone is in an accident during that brief window of time you are in a theater it isn't likely to make much difference in the scheme of things. What could you do in 2 hours that would have made a difference? Emergency services via 911 could make a difference within that time, but you could not.
You obviously do not have children. There are certain rules in place (mainly to prevent the hospital from being successfully sued) that make it so a hospital does not operate on a minor without at least one parent's permission. In the event that they need to do surgery to save the child's life, they will do it without the need of the permission. But if the surgery is instead to save an arm or a leg or something like that which isn't life threatening, they will wait to get the parent permission. If the surgery is time sensitive and the arm will be lost if the two hours that go by mean the difference between the child keeping his arm or losing it, I'd rather not find out after the movie that if I had known during the movie, I could have saved my son's arm.
Extreme situation, but children get injured all the time and without the parents' permission, time sensitive procedures would never get done.
Title: Re: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 14, 2012, 12:59:20 AM
