My first impression is that it looks like Indiana Jones got really old, but the action scenes are very "new" looking, with CGI and videogame-esque environments. So I'm okay with it, but I'm not really the biggest Indiana Jones fan in the world. Rewatching number one a year ago was a bland experience, but number three held up alright. Number two, I have been meaning to rewatch because of its bad reputation.
And just for reference, Shia Lebeouf is awesome, a real good actor right? In this movie he looks like a retarded car salesman wtf.
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Post by: Pale on February 14, 2008, 11:15:50 PM
Maybe he is a retarded car salesman.
You never know.
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Post by: Nick DiMola on February 14, 2008, 11:20:37 PM
Well the Indiana Jones trilogy is one of my favorite trilogies of all time so hopefully this new one won't crap all over the series. I'll have to check out the trailer when I get home from work.
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Post by: Caliban on February 14, 2008, 11:34:48 PM
I liked the trailer. A little bit too much cgi, but hopefully they get it right.
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on February 14, 2008, 11:47:35 PM
Well, I'm hyped now. I can't hear The Raiders' March without getting hyped, really. They went a little overboard with the whip swinging, though.
That title needs to change, too.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on February 15, 2008, 01:14:43 AM
CGI!? Where's my classic 8mm film look? =(
(After actually watching the trailer, it still looks pretty good...I'm glad the goofy humor is back, with Indy crashing through the windshield of the truck (reminds me of the bit where he and the one Nazi soldier helped each other steer the "Arc Truck" in Raiders)...I still wish the explosions were done the old-fashioned way, though...)
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Post by: nitsu niflheim on February 15, 2008, 01:21:19 AM
The last Indiana Jones game I played was one that was on the NES and I could never get past the mine cart part. Hated that game, good thing it wasn't mine.
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Post by: wandering on February 15, 2008, 01:46:17 AM
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...Indiana Jones got really old...
I'm wondering how they're going to explain that. Didn't he become immortal in the last film?
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on February 15, 2008, 01:48:31 AM
As I recall, the price of that immortality was that he remain there, like the knight.
Alternatively, immortal does not imply ageless.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on February 15, 2008, 01:50:19 AM
Are you surprised? George Lucas is the biggest CGI whore ever....
Good point. However I have to mention that even when back in the day they used some cgi effects they still looked more raw than the ultra-clean effects of today. He can still be a cgi whore but at least do it properly.
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Post by: Svevan on February 15, 2008, 03:46:57 AM
Let's remember that George Lucas is PRODUCING and Spielberg is directing. Spielberg's use of CGI in Minority Report and AI is much superior to Lucas' use in the new Star Wars trilogy. Let's also remember that Indiana Jones has always been a joint production between Lucas and Spielberg, and in my mind the best aspects of Lucas (cheap serial adventure, innovative technology, fantastic plot) merge with the best of Spielberg (humanism, emotionalism, dynamic visual beauty) in the series. 1 plus 1 doesn't always equal 2, however, so I still prefer the best Lucas films and the best Spielberg films to Indiana Jones, which in its worst moments is far clunkier than other Spielberg films.
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Post by: wandering on February 15, 2008, 04:32:33 AM
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...I still prefer the best Lucas films and the best Spielberg films to Indiana Jones...
Spielberg's "fun" films - Raiders of the Lost Ark, The Second-to-Last Crusade, Jurassic Park, and Jaws (let's ignore Temple of Doom) - are his best, in my opinion. In fact, they're the only Spielberg films I like (well, I guess I like A.I. too. For that, I credit Kubrick.) His serious films are too manipulative.
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As I recall, the price of that immortality was that he remain there, like the knight.
Ah! Of course.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on February 15, 2008, 05:01:05 AM
As far as I know, Spielberg had little to do with Temple of Doom...
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Post by: Svevan on February 15, 2008, 05:13:49 AM
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 15, 2008, 05:42:07 AM
ahahahaahha what are they doing to this franchise?
Lethal Weapon 4 Die Hard 4 Rambo 4 Indy 4 Fantastic 4
Sorry, but resurrecting these 80s franchises into the new millenium just doesn't work. If they bring back anything, it should be THE A-TEAM.
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Post by: oohhboy on February 15, 2008, 06:10:32 AM
Immortality conferred by the grail wasn't ageless and required continued use like a drug. The knights other brothers died of "Extreme old age".
They also didn't need to stay where they were to gain immortality, they needed only the cup. The knight was warning them of the final undocumented trap.
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Post by: WindyMan on February 15, 2008, 12:06:49 PM
(After actually watching the trailer, it still looks pretty good...I'm glad the goofy humor is back, with Indy crashing through the windshield of the truck (reminds me of the bit where he and the one Nazi soldier helped each other steer the "Arc Truck" in Raiders)...I still wish the explosions were done the old-fashioned way, though...)
Lucas and Speilberg have both said that they want to try to keep the original trilogy's feel as much as possible and will be keeping CG shots and visual after effects to a minimum. And it's not like the first Indy movies had their fare share of CGI.
But either way, I'm totally excited for this movie now. I'll be waiting in line on midnight, that's for damn sure!
Disclaimer: I like the title of the movie.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 15, 2008, 08:58:19 PM
Fat chance, that trailer was full of CGI.
And Spielberg had a lot to do with Temple of Doom. He... directed it.
And it had MOLA RAM. Freaking shining example of COMICAL EVIL GUY.
HE TORE OUT A DUDE'S HEART BEFORE MORTAL KOMBAT SHOWED UP AT MY LOCAL SEVEN-ELEVEN
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Post by: nitsu niflheim on February 15, 2008, 09:03:05 PM
Good movie. Had to see it at midnight though. God I'm tired.
If you were to rank it against the others, what would the order be?
I still haven't seen it (maybe tomorrow, if not Monday before I leave for my honeymoon), but as of right now my list looks like this:
1. Last Crusade 2. Raiders of the Lost Ark 3. Temple of Doom
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Post by: Kairon on May 22, 2008, 02:57:05 PM
I'm tempted to say that I like this better than all the others, but I haven't seen the first three in a long time, and the truth is that the modern handling of this movie gives it a completely different, and much more accessible, pacing, sensibility, and appeal than the originals.
Actually, I found myself having the STRANGE thought that Indy IV was everything that the Star Wars Prequels should have been. I mean... in an abstract sense, Indy IV KNEW what sort of a movie it was, it knew its genre, and it excelled at delivering the formula.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on May 22, 2008, 03:12:09 PM
I'm tempted to say that I like this better than all the others, but I haven't seen the first three in a long time, and the truth is that the modern handling of this movie gives it a completely different, and much more accessible, pacing, sensibility, and appeal than the originals
There's no way this movie could be better than Last Crusade, but if it comes anywhere close I'll be incredibly happy, considering Last Crusade is my all-time favorite movie... =D
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Post by: Nick DiMola on May 22, 2008, 03:13:09 PM
I'm tempted to say that I like this better than all the others, but I haven't seen the first three in a long time, and the truth is that the modern handling of this movie gives it a completely different, and much more accessible, pacing, sensibility, and appeal than the originals
There's no way this movie could be better than Last Crusade, but if it comes anywhere close I'll be incredibly happy, considering Last Crusade is my all-time favorite movie... =D
Amen to that.
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Post by: decoyman on May 22, 2008, 03:31:34 PM
Totally looking forward to this movie, and I have to concur w/ Bill's sentiments as well.
I think I'm going to see this on Saturday with my family, and I'm totally wearing my Fedora that I got so I could go as Indiana Jones for Halloween a few years ago. I'll be like those people who dressed up for the Star Wars movies, except with less light saber and more whip. :D
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Post by: Arbok on May 23, 2008, 12:48:26 AM
The movie is awesome. Raiders of the Lost Ark and Last Crusade it is not, but that's a pretty tall order to live up to and the movie is fantastic just the same. To be honest, I have never laughed so hard in a theater either then during the snake part in the film either.
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Post by: Kairon on May 23, 2008, 12:53:51 AM
^_^ Found my epic mod powers!!!
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 23, 2008, 02:29:49 AM
Is it really a spoiler if it's in the trailer? I haven't seen any of the movies in the series but all the talk about this one has convinced me to try them out.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on May 23, 2008, 05:27:35 AM
Is it really a spoiler if it's in the trailer? I haven't seen any of the movies in the series but all the talk about this one has convinced me to try them out.
Do yourself a big favor and watch them... =)
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Post by: Shift Key on May 23, 2008, 05:35:52 AM
And just for reference, Shia Lebeouf is awesome, a real good actor right? In this movie he looks like a retarded car salesman wtf.
He reminded me of a retarded teenager in Transformers, so maybe he's moving up in the world.
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Post by: DAaaMan64 on May 23, 2008, 11:39:25 AM
He's never been slick, thats why I thought him becoming the new Indiana Jones was weird. He started on a Disney Sitcom called Even Stevens, thats when he was really a retarded teenager. I remember thinking at that age that we will never see this kid again. lol
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Post by: Kairon on May 23, 2008, 12:42:48 PM
I was surprised to see him here, but the kid actually has screen presence and he didn't hurt the movie at all. I was completely uninterested in Shia Lebeouf before Transformers, but that movie and this made me convince that... *shrug* he's all right.
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Post by: animecyberrat on May 23, 2008, 04:47:29 PM
on the note of Tranformers, he did ok, just ok for the movie, but as Spike Witwicky, he was terrible. Also the guy playing his dad was nothing like good old Sparkplug which is the only gripe I really had with the movie.
On Indiana Jones, I am going to see this tonight, I had to sell me damn DS to get the money ok so I am going to see this and nobody better spoil this for me cuz there will be consequences.
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Post by: vudu on May 23, 2008, 04:53:29 PM
[SOPILER]INDY DIES.[/SPOILER]
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Post by: DAaaMan64 on May 23, 2008, 04:57:53 PM
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 23, 2008, 07:08:00 PM
The movie was lots of fun and I love Shia in it (I also loved him in Transformers). He has a great presence and I cannot wait to see another Indy movie with him and Harrison Ford.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on May 23, 2008, 07:41:22 PM
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Post by: IceCold on May 24, 2008, 03:57:54 AM
Decent.
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Post by: Smash_Brother on May 24, 2008, 10:57:11 AM
It was alright, but it was probably on par with Temple of Doom and certainly no better.
I'm all for suspending disbelief to better enjoy a movie, but there's a statute of limitations on that kind of thing.
Let me put it a better way: imagine that this WASN'T an Indiana Jones movie, if this movie had been filled with unknown actors and Indiana Jones was some other action hero type we'd never heard of before.
That being the case, I don't think anyone would be cutting it the amount of slack they have been because it's an Indiana Jones movie.
I've already seen Iron Man twice but I've no desire to see this a 2nd time. It's sad because the first half of the movie (the CGI-free half) which included most of the character development was the far superior half.
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Post by: animecyberrat on May 24, 2008, 12:52:26 PM
well my idiot friends got too drunk last night to go anywhere so we had to reschedule our viewing for tonight.
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Post by: Dasmos on May 24, 2008, 01:01:31 PM
If this movie didn't include Marion it would have been a 5-star movie.
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Post by: Svevan on May 24, 2008, 05:05:07 PM
cross-post from another website!
"I really liked it. Janusz Kaminski's cinematography (lots of backlighting, glowing heads, ethereal lights) made it much more beautiful than the gritty (post-modern ugliness?) of the early 80s Indys. The CGI did make the movie look like a cartoon, and that is great. I hope the Tintin movie looks like this. I appreciate how the CGI was used (mostly) to make ancient mechanical things, Indy's forte, and make them bigger and more elaborate than before.
Only two complaints re: CGI (and both fairly major): all the cute animals, and the poorly crafted ending with the "inter-dimensional being" which was really stupid looking next to the rest of the film.
Other than that, the combination of rubbled sets and CGI backdrops was breathtaking. I think what Indiana Jones has always needed is Janusz Kaminski; I can't get the glowing lights and muted color palette out of my head.
I rewatched Raiders of the Lost Ark last night, and I've never been a huge Indy fan because Spielberg always cut around his effects shots as if he was hiding the strings. The boulder chasing Indy in the beginning of the film is great, since we see both Indy and the giant boulder in the same shot. The later chase scenes are broken, because we are merely watching individuals shots of cars moving really fast, cut together.
In KOCS, thanks to digital effects, the motorcycle chase scene is filled with very long shots of the two male leads on a motorcycle, such as when the motorcycle is in between the car and the bus, or when both vehicles burst through a giant gate, etc. Spielberg isn't matching the action with a fast-paced rhythm, instead he's letting the movement within each individual shot dictate the rhythm.
The movie covers a lot of backstory, seeing as there's been a 20 year gap, but Raiders and Last Crusade are both filled with "catching up" and conversations about the past. It's a pretty key element to the series.
As for the plot, yeah it gets dumb. Not up to par with the mysticism of 1 and 3. I loved, however, the insistent references to the time period: there's lots of late 50s music and characterization. I loved the fight in the diner (same diner as Back to the Future? Yeah I'm geeking out about it), and the way Indy is accused of being a communist (HUAC reference) while trying to fight the communists. Then there's the A-Bomb, Roswell, etc. I loved it all.
Except the ending. Blech."
on-topic here: I love Shia LeBeouf.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 24, 2008, 05:10:30 PM
Do I agree with most of an Evan post? I think I do. WOW
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 24, 2008, 05:24:57 PM
I just saw it today (along with everyone else in the state of Florida, it seems), I thought it was pretty great. The diner scene was awesome, especially when Indy called the guy "Joe College".
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Post by: Bill Aurion on May 24, 2008, 06:00:28 PM
If this movie didn't include Marion it would have been a 5-star movie.
Booooo! When I heard Marion was in the movie my anticipation grew even more! I still have to wait until next weekend to see it... =(
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Post by: Smash_Brother on May 25, 2008, 12:13:13 AM
I hate to be the one to start a massive spoiler quote-fest, but...
After thinking about it, my take on the movie:
I understand that movies need us to suspend disbelief, but I think Indy 4 just plain abused this to the point where it lost me as a result.
But that isn't even my biggest gripe with it. The film had piss-poor villains, laughably durable main characters, and bukkaked the audience with CGI.
Let's start with our villains, the Russian KGB. First of all, the cold war was a bunch of silly dick-waving. We all know this now, and as a result, you can't quite group Russians into the same category as Nazis when it comes to Indiana Jones' villains. So we have an alleged Russian "psychic" who never once actually uses her psychic powers, except in one scene in the beginning when she says "You're a hard one to read, Dr. Jones." and then never again. She didn't impress me as a villain whatsoever, and neither did Indy's British friend (forget his name) who kept switching sides in a cliché and predictable manner.
The Indiana Jones series was BUILT upon strong villains which actually strike fear, and you strike fear by getting the audience to relate to something on screen. So we have this crystal skull which grants some power we've never heard of? Not 1/10th as scary as Nazis claiming the holy grail and being immortal.
Which of course begs the question, why weren't these villains Nazis? Why not a group of Nazis trying to use an ancient power to...I don't know, resurrect Hitler? I'm just tossing out ideas, but I couldn't help but be completely unimpressed by what the villain of the movie was suggesting would befall the world if Indy failed.
What killed it for me the most was the fact that, while Indiana Jones is a series built upon clichés, it's absolutely KEY that the actors themselves don't start feeling those clichés because it bleeds through into their performances. Some of Harrison Ford's earliest lines in the movie sound like he's smirking about the fact that he's playing a cliché when he's supposed to be staring down the evil of the KGB.
You can also see this same effect in the "Batman and Robin" movie where, as Ebert eloquently put it, the actors are clearly "winking" at the camera.
I think Spielberg forgot that Indiana Jones movies are built upon characters first and action second, and if you don't have the first part, the second will just be rendered as meaningless fluff, especially when they're riddled with CGI. This is similar to how George Lucas forgot that Star Wars movies were made so successful by the fact that the actors, good or bad, were absolutely dripping with humanity and as such brought audiences to love them.
It's a shame, too, because the first half of the movie which introduced the characters was doing pretty well for itself, then it just devolved into piles of CGI and a horribly lackluster ending.
EDIT: My GF just pointed out that Mila Jovovich's character in "Zoolander" was actually a better and more convincing evil Russian woman than Kate Blanchet's in this movie. Ironically, despite the fact that Zoolander was a comedy, Jovovich played the role seriously.
Mark my words, if this wasn't an Indiana Jones movie, people would be emptying their bladders all over it.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 25, 2008, 12:18:11 AM
I doubt that, the prequels being Star Wars movies didn't stop people from emptying their bladders all over them.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 25, 2008, 02:31:34 AM
As I said, I've never seen an Indiana Jones movie, that is until now. I just finished Raiders of the Lost Ark, and it was one of the best movies I've ever seen. So many great parts, and now I get a lot of jokes on The Simpsons and various other shows. If this new one is even half as good as that it's easily worth the price of admission.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on May 25, 2008, 02:45:52 AM
I doubt that, the prequels being Star Wars movies didn't stop people from emptying their bladders all over them.
You stole the words right out of my mouth. Back when the first Star Wars prequel was released people went crazy and criticized the film to hell and back, although I do remember a lot of hype before the movie was released, and after the release some people loved the movie and couldn't stop praising it.
I guess we have to wait a couple of years and see how Indy 4 fares with the audience then.
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Post by: Smash_Brother on May 25, 2008, 04:58:31 PM
I think what irked me the most was that the chemistry between Ford and LaBeouf was excellent, but it only served to further contrast the shoddy and overall weak acting from Blanchett, and the sad truth is that, when a villain isn't convincing, the hero loses credibility because the hero is only ever as impressive as the villain he/she defeats.
It seems like they tried as hard as possible to replicate the script of Last Crusade, with Indiana being used as a tool to track down some ancient power, but with the villains being as weak as they were (and the weak as hell ending) it just doesn't get the job done the way Crusade did.
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Post by: Arbok on May 25, 2008, 05:24:07 PM
...but it only served to further contrast the shoddy and overall weak acting from Blanchett, and the sad truth is that, when a villain isn't convincing, the hero loses credibility because the hero is only ever as impressive as the villain he/she defeats.
Weak acting? What was poor about her performance? I thought she was excellent. Was she as ruthless as the past villains Indy has gone up against? No, although some of her contemporaries were such as during the opening raid, and nor do I think that was the intent. She needed Indy and she knew it and only really attempted to kill him when pushed fairly hard to do so, such as when he first runs away in the warehouse or during the cliff scene.
Regardless, I don't see how that's weak acting if she was written that way, and she certainly seems different from past villains in that she was actively watching Indy at work with great interest. She was equally as intrigued by how he would get from "point A to B" as she was with the end result, which made her stand out amongst his rogue gallery. It was quite clear she had some admiration for him, even if they were on opposite sides.
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Post by: IceCold on May 25, 2008, 06:58:27 PM
I agree with S_B that the suspension of disbelief required was just too much.
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Post by: Smash_Brother on May 25, 2008, 07:12:50 PM
I didn't find her believable. She came across as an actress who realized she was playing a cliché character, not the cliché character itself.
But I agree with the 2nd part in that her role was written oddly at the same time. At times, she did seem to admire Indy which just made the ending all that much worse, IMHO, with the alien being reduced to a generic movie monster when it basically killed her with knowledge (I guess). I wouldn't have objected to the ending if the alien had simply shown her the error of her ways and then teleported her outside of the ship or something. I was never really hating her as a villain so I didn't think her death was necessary.
Also, I find it incredibly ironic that the same director who 20 years ago made us believe in the power of friendship between a boy and an alien (ET) is the same director who turned highly advanced and benevolent aliens (they were teaching the humans farming, irrigation, etc. after all) into a generic movie monster when the entire movie was building toward something much more, it seemed. I kept expecting that the alien would somehow acknowledge Indy, but that never panned out (like how the knight did at the end of Last Crusade when he came out to wave goodbye to Indy and his father, easily one of the best scenes in the movie).
We knew so little about the aliens to start with, except that they were "good" so when they wind up frying the villain who doesn't seem evil but in need of a change in perspective, I wasn't exactly in approval of their actions.
Honestly, if they had written Blanchett's character so she truly believed in her cause to protect her country from the US (thus turning her more sympathetic) and in the end she winds up learning the error in her ways by the alien's teaching, I would've been infinitely happier with the movie. We'd have a non-standard Indy villain, but at the same time, we leave with the lesson that the US and Russia eventually learned anyway: war isn't the answer.
I will say, though, that I do have hope for the Indy/Mutt relationship. I liked the chemistry between Ford and LeBeouf and I'd like to see more of it. I just wish there was more of it throughout the movie and fewer physically-impossible CGI scenes.
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Post by: Arbok on May 25, 2008, 07:59:27 PM
At times, she did seem to admire Indy which just made the ending all that much worse, IMHO, with the alien being reduced to a generic movie monster when it basically killed her with knowledge (I guess).
I think that's up to interpretation as to what exactly is happening. The movie gives no clear answer. Personally, I was under the impression that she was transported with the alien to their dimension, which is why I assumed that Hurt's character kept mentioning the alternate dimension aspect several times at around that point in the movie.
Regardless, it was much like the ending to Raiders of the Lost Ark in that the antagonist got what they wanted, which turned out being not at all what they really desired.
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Post by: Svevan on May 25, 2008, 08:30:11 PM
uh, her boots were left, so no, no interpretation necessary.
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Post by: Smash_Brother on May 25, 2008, 09:02:04 PM
She said in the end "I want to know everything", and I'm guessing she was supposed to have burned into nothingness because "everything" was too much for her to handle.
uh, her boots were left, so no, no interpretation necessary.
But what does that mean, exactly? That the rest of her was burned into nothingness because, if she actually "teleported" her boots would've gone with the rest of her clothing?
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 26, 2008, 02:37:01 AM
Just saw it. It was good. I'd say it's easily the worst of the Indy films but that's a pretty high standard to meet. I'll say straight up - I hate it when they resurrect an old franchise. Usually you have the clear classic entries and then the tacked on later film doesn't fit. I was never asking for an Indy IV but I enjoyed myself. I don't have the original trilogy on DVD and buying it in a set that also comes with this film wouldn't bother me.
The film really started off on a bad note though. First they did the old "Paramount logo turns into first shot" routine which I loved and then IMMEDIATELY afterwards I'm suddenly watching Caddyshack. WHAT THE F*CK?! I was REALLY turned off by that and was really worried about what was going to happen until Indy did the whole gun powder bit and I got into it.
I like how the Soviets were the villains. I liked the storyline. As they were checking out the tomb where Indy finds the skull I was just having the blast. That's what I like about Indiana Jones. Yeah the action scenes are cool but exploring an ancient tomb is what sucks me in. They could probably make a film about that with no villains or conflict and I would love it. I'm probably in the minority there.
Some of the action scenes were pretty silly but then I remembered that this is a series where people jumped out of a plane on an inflatable raft and rode down a mountain. So, hell, going over three waterfalls just fit. The monkey scene though is the most retarded thing I've ever seen. My brother didn't see it with me but I imagine that will completely kill the movie for him. I'll bet it was Lucas' idea. Lucas and Spielberg are sadly too big so no one obviously has the balls to tell them "no we're not doing this; it's stupid". Harrison Ford actually has a reputation for standing up to dumb ideas like that. Maybe they filmed that scene without him knowing. ;)
There's too much CG in that there is any. Early on I distinctly remember Spielberg saying there wouldn't be any so that the film would match the look of the others. Well he obviously lied. Visually the film doesn't fit the others at all and much of the CG was, like with most films, unnecessary. That took about fifteen minutes to get used to, especially that digital colour editing all these films do these days that make the lighting look like a bad Xbox 360 game. Crystal Skull is going to look dated as hell in a few years because of that CG crap.
One thing that caught me off guard is that the film launches right into the plot. Well, duh, Ian. Isn't it supposed to? No, it'd not. The other films each start with some action scene that has only the smallest connection to the plot, if any. Boulder scene, Chinese night club scene, Young Indy scene. They're almost completely self-contained. So initially I thought Cate Blanchett was doing a cameo and Indy would dispose of her and the main plot would begin. It doesn't really matter that that didn't happen but it was something all three original films did and it seems like the sort of thing that Spielberg would have picked up on. It always bothers me when the fans (ie: nerds) notice stuff the creators don't. It suggests the creators truly don't care and it's just a job for them. There's no big continuity f*ck ups though which is very nice. We won't have geeky discussion's of how Leia remembers her mother when she died when she was five minutes old.
The Star Wars prequels were crap and tarnished the legacy of the original films. I liked Terminator 3 but thought it completely ruined the canon of the classic films. Godfather III was kinda "meh" but it didn't hurt the original films for me. I liked Crystal Skull and it's good enough that it doesn't hurt the original films. It doesn't make them better but it's perfectly acceptable. Go see it provided you're not in "film critic mode". Don't worry; there's no Darth Vader screaming "NOOO!" kind of stuff.
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 26, 2008, 01:18:26 PM
This guy puts it aptly, I think:
http://kylesmithonline.com/?p=1260
The film winds up feeling more like a mockery of the earlier movies than a serious entry to the franchise.
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: Plugabugz on May 26, 2008, 02:19:53 PM
Lethal Weapon 4 and Die Hard 4 did it well enough. But i sat through this last night saying "WTF" followed by "No seriously, WTF?"
Plus the ending is a complete rip from the stargate franchise.
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: animecyberrat on May 28, 2008, 11:36:24 PM
Lethal Weapon 4 was made close enough to it's predecessors though it doesn't fit this analogy at all. This movie is almost 20 years after the last Indiana Jones, but Lethal Weapon 3 came out in the early 90's and Lethal Weapon 4 came out in 97 so it was exactly ten years after the first one.
Anyways, I still haven't gotten to see this movie yet, stupid idiot friends went to see Iron Man instead, so my parents who want to see it also said we'd all go this weekend so I have to wait till next Monday at the earliest. Still contemplating just looking for a copy online to watch but I fear that seeing it on my pc before seeing it in a theater will only lessen the impact it might have.
And I LOVED the Star Wars prequels and still don't get all the hate. So I should still enjoy this hopefully.
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: Svevan on May 29, 2008, 05:50:13 AM
Lethal Weapon 4 and Die Hard 4 did it well enough. But i sat through this last night saying "WTF" followed by "No seriously, WTF?"
Yeah, the ending left me kind of bitter.
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: Dasmos on May 29, 2008, 08:49:49 AM
I read this and I felt it described the film and those Internet folk who are crying all over the joint.
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Self respect demands that you defriend these people. Never speak to them again. They are a cancer. What they spread is the kind of crap that eats away at the soul and makes a point of preventing you from ever enjoying anything again. I am absolutely serious.
If they released Last Crusade today, that part of the internet would be furious about how it wasn't as serious and dark as Temple of Doom and how awful it was that it used characters from the original movie instead of a new supporting cast. And here's the thing: the internet would be *right* on every single critical point except the one that actually matters - that Last Crusade was a great movie and a heck of a lot of fun to go see.
Here's what the stupids on the internet don't get: academic criticism is a *game*, not a science. Here is how the game works: in any single situation ever it is possible to use your tiny human brain to break apart any piece of art. Anyone can come up with pretty words to explain why every movie or book or painting in the universe has some terrible flaw. And it will sound especially convincing to idiots.
It's something English majors and people who glue dinosaurs back together do to pass the time without taking even slightly seriously that somehow got picked up by worst scum imaginable. That crap is what happens when your little brother finds your Magic cards - he thinks it's so cool that his vast intellectual superior has fun with this and so he makes up his own rules, tears up the cards in frustration and drools all over the place. In this case, I'm absolutely sure that I'm not speaking figuratively.
Here's the bottom line: Crystal Skull was a good time. It makes all the mistakes we imagined it would... it manages to make some of them work in ways we never expected and falls flat on others. It also does a lot of other *entertaining* (oh my!) things that I hadn't counted on. I left the theater happy and I am much, much smarter than anyone on your friends list.
CONCEPTUAL SPOILERS FOLLOW:
The amazing thing about Crystal Skull is that it's just another Indiana Jones movie. It's abjectly not the brooding twilight farewell movie we all assumed it would be. Spielberg/Lucas/whoever made this movie (hurrr - nobody actually cares) managed to make a movie that pretends we've been watching Indiana Jones movies for the past 19 years and that this is another one of them. The movie actually directly apologizes for the fact that this didn't really happen at one point. It's very cool.
It goes through hoop after hoop after hoop to create this illusion. When Spielberg says it's just another movie, he's not trying to deflect criticism -- he's directly stating the point of the film. I could go on and on about what it does well and what it screws up (it does many things well and screws up many others)... but whats the point. Go have a good time at the movies
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 29, 2008, 04:59:11 PM
I read this and I felt it described the film and those Internet folk who are crying all over the joint.
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wordswordswords
Translation: embrace mediocrity
It's one thing to pick apart the movie on a granular level, but it's quite another to take a step back, forget the movie had any kind of history or legacy behind it and just ask yourself "Was I entertained?" and very likely, the answer is a resounding "Kinda".
That's all there is to it.
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 30, 2008, 11:03:30 PM
Well I finally watched it tonight, and boy was in for a surprise...
That being I found the movie absolutely fantastic...Sure the whole paranormal direction was a bit unnecessary, but they managed to keep the character of the "Indiana Jones universe" intact...Don't feel like getting too into this, but here's my list of Pros and Cons...
Cons ~ I do wish they found another religious artifact instead of going paranormal, but it did have a religious edge to it, so I can forgive it...I didn't have a problem with the alien at the end...People made it sound like it was a big deal, but it's an incredibly short (and ultimately mysterious and dramatic) scene...It's not like the alien was thrown in out of nowhere either, as the Mayans have ALWAYS been associated with extra-terrestrial myth... ~ The "Tarzan" bit felt out of place, and almost "too coincidental" for my taste...But again, it was short and didn't detract from the action scene (which was amazing) at all ~ They didn't really need the atomic bomb bit...I felt that was thrown-in, and the movie wouldn't play out any differently at all without it... ~ I could have done with less CG, but in the heated action scenes I didn't really pay much attention to it...
Pros ~ The action scenes were very well-done...Fantastically well-done...Particularly the motorcycle chase, which was very old-school Indy...The car chase through the jungle was also surprisingly complex, which was a lot of fun... ~ Unlike others, I had absolutely no problem with the villain...She didn't have the character that Belloq in Raiders did, but he was a rival and she was just someone who appeared to admire his work...She played that role well... ~ I loved all the little throwbacks, like when they first enter "Crate Hell" at the beginning...I was like "This is the warehouse from Raiders right? You are going to show the Ark, right? You can't have the warehouse and not show the Ark!", and they did, and I was happy...The bit with Marcus was also amusing and sad at the same time... =( ~ They really hit the era on the head...The atmosphere was perfect, and the whole "everyone's a Commie" attitude was dead-on awesome... ~ I'm glad they closed the series "emotionally" with Indy and Marion...But I also find them my favorite on-screen couple, so I guess I'm biased...Ford and Allen just have really good chemistry... ~ The very last bit was fantastic...Where you think that Indy's son is going to pick up the hat but Indy snags it first...It's like a very blunt "There's only ONE Indiana Jones, punk!"...I loved it so much that it's probably my favorite ending to a movie ever...
Overall, I loved it...Not as good as Last Crusade or Raiders, but I'd put it above Temple of Doom (and for record's sake, I also love Temple of Doom...) I'm definitely going to go see it again next week... :cool;
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: bustin98 on May 30, 2008, 11:45:33 PM
Ok, I'm with Smash_Brothers. Actually, probably more on the 'disliked it' side than he is.
Seriously, I went to see Indiana Jones. Instead of Indiana hunting relics, he is a relic.
Its one thing for the fans to see the character as iconic, another for the movie to confirm it. Right at the beginning, how are we introduced to Indiana? Spotlight on his shadow of placing the hat on his head. Cue theme music. Why not just spell it out for the idiots in the crowd? This happens more than once through the film. You know, I think we understand that Indy is a larger than life character, lets get to the action.
Ok, we asked for action, how about a ride in a flying refridgerator? How about a Tarzan rip-off? Attack of the giant ants? This jungle is sssooo thick with overgrowth that we need a giant machine to tear through it. Oh no, Indy wrecked it! Wow, what a coincidence that the jungle has two open trails large enough for the rest of our vehicles to travel unimpeded. Now lets have a speeder bike race, I mean, lets fight with swords on the back of two trucks... At least the drivers don't have issue with each other.
This film was less about Indy being Indy and more about milking a franchise. And it sucked.
Oh, and the 50s stuff, didn't any of you feel it was too 'perfect'? Something about it was 'in your face'. Nothing like Back To The Future, or the previous Indy films.
I'm not even a big Indy fan. Continuity means something though. Suspension of disbelief is another mark to hit. And the Crystal Skull fails to hit the mark.
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: ThePerm on May 31, 2008, 02:36:47 PM
about 2 weeks before i watched the new indy movie, i happened to be searching netflix to look for a movie to watch. I watched Forbidden planet with Leslie Neilson(a serious role). Whilst watching KOCS there was a bunch of forbidden planet references. I later checked wikipeda and it said that, thats what they were going for.
I liked Blanchett as the Russian villianess, I too noticed how much more cartoon like the character was. This tends to happen as movies progress. Look at the last batman series, or the comic at least. However, i like this style. so, it doesnt bother me. I was thinking however, where is boris and why doesnt she mention the great and furious leader?
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: Kairon on June 01, 2008, 02:11:58 AM
I'm still flabberghasted how some of you didn't like the movie. I guess there must be some extra-dimensional plane to the indie movies that I can't see. *shrug*
If there was one thing bad, it's that they didn't utilize Cate Blanchett enough. She was hot in this movie. But she's capable of being so much hotter.
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: animecyberrat on June 04, 2008, 12:47:14 AM
Ok so I FINALLY got to see this yesterday, and I am not going to bother worrying about what others thought, cuz I can't change your minds and you won't likely change mine, instead I will say what I thought and why.
First off, I loved it, from start to finish.
I am a little more forgiving when it comes to George Lucas than I am Steven Spielberg, and as far as Indiana Jones is concerned, I still maintain that Temple of Doom never happened, everything else is good.
At first I was thinking it was going to suck and I was having a hard time getting into it, then I decided to take a deep breath, close my eyes and try remembering what it was like when I was a kid, this helped because it made the movie a lot easier to get into.
Just before going to the movie, well I have been doing this all week, I was going through all of my trading cards, cataloging them to post to the website, and I came across my old Topps Star Wars and Indiana Jones cards. Well as I was digging through those old cards and reliving these old movies frame by frame I stopped to look at some of the artwork from Empire Strikes Back, not the filtered special edition remastered garbage we have now, but the actual shots taken back in the 80's to really get an idea of how magical those movies really were.
Anyways what I did was spent a lot of time just admiring the world that George Lucas had created and going back and trying to recall my original reactions to each scene by looking at every card one at a time and reading the descriptive text, also targeted towards young people. All of this helped me get into the mindset that I would need to be in to really enjoy Kingdom of the Crystal Skulls, and you know something, it worked. I think this was the most fun I have had in such a long time, it was like exactly what I needed right now. Sadly I missed one of the most Indiana Jones-esque moments as I had a major bathroom attack and had to leave when Indy was just finding out Marion was the kids mother. Well my parents told me what happened while I was gone and that really made me wish I hadn't left, but the whole rest of the movie was just pure awesome.
What I also found myself thinking about was National Treasure 2, the same movie I had just made so much fun of and hated on to no end, well I was able to forgive Indiana Jones for basically doing the same thing but even more outlandish and unbelievable than NT did it.
Anyways I forgot how to do spoiler tags so I will stop there. All in all I loved every minute of it and can't wait to get this in my collection.
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: bustin98 on June 04, 2008, 09:46:10 AM
I don't know if I read it here or somewhere else, but if one were to look at this last film as a live-action cartoon then some of the odd stuff could be forgiven. Its nothing Bugs Bunny couldn't have gotten away with.
The frame of mind I was in though did not prepare me for the movie. I don't know if I like the film any more now than before, but at least I have a proper reference point.
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: Smash_Brother on June 04, 2008, 11:09:16 AM
I don't know...even in a cartoon, I would raise an eye to the "monkey whisperer" scene.
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: animecyberrat on June 04, 2008, 05:05:59 PM
I don't know...even in a cartoon, I would raise an eye to the "monkey whisperer" scene.
was that when Shai Lebuff was swining from the vines, or was that ones of the things I missed when I got up and went to the bathroom?
Cuz I admit it had some stuff that made me roll my eyes, but then I sorta looked past it. I was a lot easier on this movie than I was the Star Wars Prequels, which I did learn to love eventually, after I got over their many flaws, and reminded myself it is Star Wars, and after I argued with fans on the official website forums, many times, over stupid things, only to just accept it and be done with it.
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: ThePerm on June 04, 2008, 09:49:05 PM
pish to anyone who insults temple of doom! I saw Temple of Doom first, i was four years old. After that I ran around in as close to indianna jones ware as i could. I had a cowboy hat, a brown jacket, and a jump rope. I like the other ones, but i just can't hate the temple of doom because it made me an indianna jones wannabe.
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: animecyberrat on June 05, 2008, 01:06:51 AM
Dear, ThePerm,
as an adamant hater of the Temple of Doom, I have concluded that we can no longer be friends, please vacate the premises immediately and return all of those ideas I let you borrow. thanks.
Sincerely
The biggest Temple of Doom hater out there.
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: DAaaMan64 on June 05, 2008, 03:16:26 AM
I saw it, It was good. I liked it better than the Last Crusade. That is the only other one I've seen. And screw you guys it's better than that.
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: vudu on June 05, 2008, 02:12:52 PM
as an adamant hater of the Temple of Doom, I have concluded that we can no longer be friends, please vacate the premises immediately and return all of those ideas I let you borrow. thanks.
I think we need to have a forum vote: WHO GOES--THE RAT OR THE PERM?
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: Smash_Brother on June 05, 2008, 03:46:46 PM
There's a new expression originating from Indy 4: "Nuke the Fridge"
Nuke the fridge is a colloquialism used to refer to the moment in a film series that is so incredible that it lessens the excitement of subsequent scenes that rely on more understated action or suspense, and it becomes apparent that a certain installment is not as good as a previous installments, due to ridiculous or low quality storylines, events or characters.
The term comes from the film Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, in which, near the start of the movie, Harrison Ford's character survives a nuclear detonation by climbing into a kitchen fridge, which is then blown hundreds of feet through the sky whilst the town disintegrates. He then emerges from the fridge with no apparent injury. Later in the movie, the audience is expected to fear for his safety in a normal fistfight.
Fans of the Indiana Jones series found the absurdity of this event in the film to be the best example of the lower quality of this installment in the series, and thus coined the phrase, "nuke the fridge".
The phrase is also a reference to the phrase "jump the shark", which has the same meaning, only applied to a television series instead of a film series.
This phrase is not in common use. "Star Wars didn't really nuke the fridge until Jar Jar Binks was introduced."
"Peter Parker dancing around the bar in Spider-Man 3? Kinda nukes the fridge!"
"The Godfather: Part III nukes the fridge."
"Gremlins 2 more or less nuked the fridge."
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: DAaaMan64 on June 05, 2008, 04:47:22 PM
I like how Harrison Ford said "I've got a bad feeling about this." in this one just like he did in Star Wars :P
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on June 05, 2008, 05:32:20 PM
None of those examples match the definition as written. Fail.
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: NWR_pap64 on June 05, 2008, 09:08:39 PM
"Gremlins 2 more or less nuked the fridge."
I honestly enjoyed the movie for what it was; an extremely silly, over the top movie about a puppet based rampage.
The original movie had its shares of camp and cheesiness, but had some genuine terror and scares.
The sequel throws all of that away in favor of insanity and coffee fueled humor. Really, the Gremlins [b[hijack[/b] the movie and thus they get HULK HOGAN to order the Gremlins around, a guy dressed as a vampire covers the Gremlin invasion...while in costume, Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck open the film, a talking Gremlin emerges, Gizmo does a cute little dance, becomes Rambo for the last half of the movie...and the film ends with a guy marrying a tranny Gremlin...
If that wasn't enough to convince you the creators set out to be insanely silly, remember the scene in the first movie in which the girl tells the guy the reason she hates Christmas was because when she was a girl her father tried to go down the chimney as Santa, but got stuck and died? In the sequel, she mentions why she hates President's Day was because she once met a man dressed up as Lincoln.
If you see the movie as a sequel to a great and just plain fun Holiday movie (say what you want, its a Holiday movie) then you might be disappointed as its just too stupid and silly for its own good. But if you are willing to turn your brain off for a couple of hours and accept EVERYTHING that happens in the movie then you'll have a blast.
...And now I derailed the thread.
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: Nick DiMola on June 06, 2008, 04:17:52 AM
Well I just saw this tonight and walked away utterly disappointed. The film honestly had me at the beginning, even with the ridiculous "nuking of the fridge" scene. However, once the film hit the monkey scene it lost me. The rest of the film was ridiculous and as SB put it, a mockery to the rest of the series. I couldn't suspend belief to that point, it was just absurd.
Even more annoying was the way the movie smacked you in the face with obvious. The first scene made it clear that it was going to be about aliens, but they continued to drop hints throughout the film as if you didn't get it at the very beginning. Also if it wasn't obvious from the first scene with Shia LaBeouf that he is Indy's son, they made sure to constantly drop hints about that too, until the fact was finally revealed. The foreshadowing of Mud picking up the Indiana Jones legacy also couldn't be more obvious throughout the whole film as well.
I wish they would just leave all these old franchises alone. It seems like the script writers are simply incapable of continuing the legacy of the old films without jumping the shark, or in this case, nuking the fridge.
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 06, 2008, 04:42:38 AM
Thankfully most of the fans of the original film along with new fans enjoyed the movie, so I could care less about the hatred for the movie.
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: animecyberrat on June 06, 2008, 01:52:43 PM
On the topic of Gremlins 2, thanks Pap for bringing it up, I have always loved the first movie, it is one of my all time favorite movies. But something just didn't sit right with me with the second film. I liked it, for the most part, but the cheesiness was over the top. There were moments that tried to maintain the seriousness of the first movie but the above mentioned examples all hurt the overal tone of the film.
Then it hit me, well there are like 5 short little scenes within the movie that could easily be taken out and restore the film to it's true tone. So I began working on this edit myself, using Sony Vegas cuz that is what I have, and I succeeded in making a watchable edit of the film and still maintaining some fluidity. Too bad it is only for my own enjoyment and I know Warner Bros. will never make the "serious" edit that fans of the series always wanted. Or at least I always wanted.
But my I-Pod crashed on me before I could make a back up copy of the movie and now I have to reedit it all over again.
Now back to your regularly scheduled post.
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: ThePerm on June 06, 2008, 04:06:54 PM
Rat, go watch Zombie Nation and re-adjust how you look at movies. Temple of Doom is a great movie, if you think its shit, than you obviously haven't seen as many shitty movies as I have.
and remember, i watch 2.5 movies a day, i figure since Iv'e only been watching since I was around 3, and then sometimes i watch the same movie more then once that means i've seen about 5,000 movies. I'm 24.
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: animecyberrat on June 06, 2008, 06:15:45 PM
Well I don't think it is the worst movie I have ever seen, but it sure as hell did not seam good to me. But in all fairness I haven't seen it since I was like 8 or so, my memories could be skewed. I just remember hating it.
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 06, 2008, 06:46:15 PM
I actually really enjoy all four of the Indiana Jones films.
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: Ian Sane on June 06, 2008, 07:02:55 PM
I didn't like Temple of Doom much when I was a kid but watched it for the first time as an adult about a year ago... and loved it. I still like the others better but it was great!
I think a big part of what I didn't like about it is that as a dumb kid with no attention span I couldn't figure out what was going on. Raiders and Last Crusade set up the basic plot early on by having somebody assign Indy a specific mission to retreive an artifact. So it's easy to follow. It also has Christian artifacts and as a Christian it was something I could easily understand as a kid.
In Temple of Doom the artifact is based on the Hindu religion which as a kid I was very unfamiliar with. The storyline isn't outlined at the beginning. Indy had no clear mission. He stumbles upon adventures and has to figure stuff out as he goes. That sort of thing is rather difficult for a dumbsh!t little kid to understand. So now that I'm an adult and actually pay attention to what's going on beyond action scenes and don't find "talking parts" boring Temple of Doom is a blast. See it again and you'll like it.
On a related note, as a kid I didn't like Empire Strikes Back very much. Yes that's right. The Star Wars film that is widely considered the best one wasn't that good in my eyes because it had too much talking and big gaps between the action scenes. It also has a more complicated storyline. As a kid I didn't even get that the Empire were the evil government. I just though they were the bad guys and the rebels were the good guys. Obviously I wasn't very familiar with what "empire" or "rebel" meant. I found it odd that people didn't seem to mind clear BAD GUYS like stormtroopers wandering around. They should have called the good guys to get rid of them!
So while Star Wars and Return of the Jedi had simple "STOP THE BAD GUYS" plots, Empire didn't so I didn't get it as much. Hell I didn't even get that the Rebels were hiding out on Hoth. I was used to the old "good guy base/bad guy base" design of cartoon shows/action figure commercials. Everyone is either a good guy or a bad guy and has a base of operations that is periodically attacked like it's capture the flag or something.
Yeah I was pretty dumb as a kid. In fact my personality has changed so much it's odd to think of that as me. The present day me would probably pick on grade school Ian.
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: NWR_pap64 on June 06, 2008, 07:13:47 PM
Thankfully most of the fans of the original film along with new fans enjoyed the movie, so I could care less about the hatred for the movie.
I think you just defined the Wii fanbase without realizing it :p .
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: animecyberrat on June 07, 2008, 12:04:31 AM
Well I have been wanting to go back and re watch it for that same reason, but I just haven't made it a priority yet. But as of right now I still hate it and stand by that.
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: ShyGuy on June 28, 2008, 09:49:13 PM
Finally saw this in the theater today. The least of the series, but still an enjoyable way to spend a Saturday afternoon. Some small touches I liked:
- The Ark making a cameo. - Indy working for the military and as a spy in the space between Last Crusade and this movie. - tying in the Young Indiana Jones series with the mention of Pancho Villa.
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: Nick DiMola on October 10, 2008, 11:16:23 AM
Bumping this in honor of South Park, I laughed my ass off. I felt the episode truly highlighted my feelings of what Lucas and Spielberg did to poor ol' Indy.
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: EasyCure on October 10, 2008, 11:21:06 AM
i found that episode to be funny but not that funny...
why?
because i never saw KOCS and now after this i'll never want to watch it.. ever. Aliens, really? Nuking of a fridge??
I'm not that big of a fan but that episode does make me feel sad for the old chap.
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: Nick DiMola on October 10, 2008, 11:22:35 AM
Good, I hope the episode dissuaded anyone who was considering seeing the movie. It's terrible.
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 10, 2008, 11:23:49 AM
Such a goooood movie... ='D
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: EasyCure on October 10, 2008, 11:26:12 AM
a friend of mind thought it was bad timing,that this episode came out "so late after the movie released" but i dont see it that way since the DVD release is right around the corner.
Everytime Butters said that i cracked up so hard, even if i didnt see the movie i got the fact that they were making fun of how bad it was and that of course Butters, the "idiot" of the group thinks it was good!
It reminded me of "make love not warcraft" where he admits to never have played WOW and when Cartman says "Butter's you told me you're on your computer all the time" and he replies "Yeah, playing Hello Kitty Island Adventure!"
lol
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: Stogi on October 10, 2008, 02:31:38 PM
I thought that episode was a little too much.....
I think South Park finally reached the limit on what they can and can't do. I admit, I laughed my ass off the first time they showed Indy getting raped, but why did they show it three other times? It just got too awkward and I couldn't bring myself to even watch it. It was like Pulp Fiction but seeing that same part over and over again without Bruce slicing the piece of **** with a sword.
Plus, the Cartman hating China thing could have been so much funnier. They ended up copping out with the whole shooting people in the dick thing (I thought it was funny at first, then it got old).
Anyway I give that episode a 3 out of 10
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: EasyCure on October 10, 2008, 04:11:59 PM
Stogi, did you see the movie? Or was it really too much to see Indy getting raped so graphically?
Me personally, didn't mind it so much. I didn't find it that funny but only because i didn't see KOCS or care that much for the character/series. I knew where they were coming from becuase they're passionate fans of those films and it was them expressing how they felt, so as graphic as it was even if i was as much a fan of Indiana Jones, I wouldn't think it was over the top at all.
Thats just me though.
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: DAaaMan64 on October 10, 2008, 06:08:28 PM
I think South Park finally reached the limit on what they can and can't do. I admit, I laughed my ass off the first time they showed Indy getting raped, but why did they show it three other times? It just got too awkward and I couldn't bring myself to even watch it. It was like Pulp Fiction but seeing that same part over and over again without Bruce slicing the piece of **** with a sword.
Plus, the Cartman hating China thing could have been so much funnier. They ended up copping out with the whole shooting people in the dick thing (I thought it was funny at first, then it got old).
Anyway I give that episode a 3 out of 10
I agree with Stogi. Compared to SP classics that was crap. Like a lot of the newer episodes.
When are they gonna make a South Park episode about Trey and Matt raping South Park?
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: EasyCure on October 11, 2008, 04:09:57 AM
I think South Park finally reached the limit on what they can and can't do. I admit, I laughed my ass off the first time they showed Indy getting raped, but why did they show it three other times? It just got too awkward and I couldn't bring myself to even watch it. It was like Pulp Fiction but seeing that same part over and over again without Bruce slicing the piece of **** with a sword.
Plus, the Cartman hating China thing could have been so much funnier. They ended up copping out with the whole shooting people in the dick thing (I thought it was funny at first, then it got old).
Anyway I give that episode a 3 out of 10
I agree with Stogi. Compared to SP classics that was crap. Like a lot of the newer episodes.
When are they gonna make a South Park episode about Trey and Matt raping South Park?
they already admitted it in Cartoon Wars ;)
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: Adrock on October 15, 2008, 12:59:03 AM
Ehh, Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was good until the 20-30 minutes then vine swinging and that mindf*ck at the end. That was just lame.
Of all the older franchises to be resurrected in the last few years, this is probably the worst one though I had fun watching the movie. It was leagues better than Phantom Menace... though that didn't set the bar very high.
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: Khushrenada on October 15, 2008, 01:32:09 AM
You know, as much as I want to hate on this movie, there is still a lot I like. As far as Nuking the Fridge goes, yes it stretches credability but Indy has never been about realism. What about Temple of Doom where he falls out of an airplane with an inflatable raft. No raft is going to float you down safley to the ground or let you land softly enough to not injure yourself. Surviving in the fridge is no different except the fridge ride was probably rougher. The point is just the idea that maybe it could work.
For the most part, the movie is pretty good. Even though plot points are pretty obvious, it's not like other Indiana Jones films had huge plot twists or revelations. You could see stuff coming in those movies as well. The Jungle chase does bug me. Compare it to Raiders of the Lost Ark where Indy fights his way through that caravan or Last Crusade with the fight on the tank and there is no comparison. Those latter chases and stunts look better because they look real. The digital effects in the Jungle chase detract because they don't look real. It comes off as fake and so I found myself uninterested because it was too fanatastic. Although the scenes with the Fire Ants was awesome. Most tension in the whole film. The ending is fine right up until they all gather in the Skull chamber. Then there is nothing left to see and it raises more questions and confuses everything.
Less digital filming and computer special effects to a more realistic look along with a changing up the jungle chase a bit and changing the ending and this would be fine.
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 15, 2008, 04:28:55 AM
1. Indy didn't have a "smart solution" of surviving the final danger(s) this time. Just run away. 2. Extended swordplay over increasingly fake backdrops was a waste of time. The overall digital softness of the film was unsettling after seeing the original trilogy on DVD countless times. 3. The guardian civilization was built up as something mysterious with potential yet fell flat (like various components of the movie; other sequences of the movie were maybe 30 sec or minutes too long making it like "ok, we get the point, get on with it"). 4. Kate's death scene was lame and unexciting. Nothing interesting or surprising about the irony, especially when it lacked Indy's involvement. Zero appreciable gore or dreadfulness. It just happened, so run away.
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: Khushrenada on October 15, 2008, 11:08:18 AM
We agree on the same things. 3 of your points are basically about the ending which I agree should have been changed and your second point is the same as what I said about the special effects dampening the film.
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: Adrock on October 16, 2008, 08:39:53 PM
I basically agree with those 4 points, notably the 4th one. The death scenes of the villains in Raiders and Last Crusade scarred me when I was a kid. I seriously couldn't watch them for years....
Title: Re: Indiana Jones 4: KOCS (lol) first trailer
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 16, 2008, 11:58:19 PM
^ YES. THAT'S the magic this new movie is missing.
The PG-13 rating was developed in response to Temple of Doom, and the envelope of what's acceptably PG-13 these days has been incredibly wide (see The Dark Knight), yet Indy4 fails to capture such charm.
