The new disc case started with Final Fantasy CC: TCB.
(http://i48.tinypic.com/2zrf9tl.jpg)
(http://i50.tinypic.com/rk0kg7.jpg)* I noticed it when I first got the game, but didn't realize everyone would be so mad about it.
But after seeing alot of the complaints, you should know that the new cases are pretty damn flimsy and are easily twisted and depressed, so if you ship a lot games from places like Amazon.com, "Handle with Care" and "Fragile" might be some of the special instructions you would want to put on the packaging.
*NWR has permission to watermark these images and use it for a story if necessary.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: Arbok on December 27, 2009, 03:01:32 PM
I hate these things. Had a friend grab a DVD case with this and accidentally create a rip in the paper cover due to where his finger was.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 27, 2009, 04:04:09 PM
I don't get what the big deal is. Unless you manhandle everything you own, you won't notice the change and this helps the environment.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 27, 2009, 04:09:07 PM
The cases are really flimsy.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: kraken613 on December 27, 2009, 04:11:17 PM
I have had multiple friends in the last 2 months who order games online have their 360 game damaged when it arrived.
Come on, this isn't going to help anything really other than make the cases cost less in my $50-$60 game. They are not just cutting out the plastic they are making the plastic thinner too. I will just bulk buy a bunch of the non-"green" ones and there, problem solved! Then they will be hurting the environment because their cases suck!
Why not freaking cut out plastic around the disk instead of right behind it!!!
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: vudu on December 27, 2009, 04:55:20 PM
If you really don't like these cases you should order a bunch of replacement cases from Nintendo.com. Do it soon, before Nintendo starts shipping the eco-friendly cases as replacements.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: Mop it up on December 27, 2009, 05:04:42 PM
This is pretty stupid, companies will go to great lengths just to save a nickel. If they were so concerned about manufacturing costs of cases then why did they make DVD cases larger than CD cases to begin with?
And it is funny to see Nintendo talk about reducing the cost of packaging when a lot of their games include accessories and come in big boxes which are often wrapped in plastic.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 27, 2009, 05:11:49 PM
If you really don't like these cases you should order a bunch of replacement cases from Nintendo.com. Do it soon, before Nintendo starts shipping the eco-friendly cases as replacements.
Too late.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: vudu on December 27, 2009, 05:16:16 PM
In that case hit up your local GameStop and ask if they have any cases they can spare. I've never tried this myself, but I've been told countless times that they'll generally just give them to you.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: kraken613 on December 27, 2009, 06:12:42 PM
If you really don't like these cases you should order a bunch of replacement cases from Nintendo.com. Do it soon, before Nintendo starts shipping the eco-friendly cases as replacements.
Too late.
How do you know its too late? It doesn't say that on the store from what I see.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 27, 2009, 06:14:58 PM
there were some other people that tried to order some cases and got a mixed batch.
some old and some new. You can try, but don't be surprised if the new eco-friendly cases are sprinkled in or are the only type of cases you receive.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 27, 2009, 07:39:28 PM
I take my games out of their cases as soon as I get them and put them in a big disc wallet with all my other games, so this doesn't bother me. These cases seem just as good for sitting on a shelf as the old ones. They may make me think twice about ordering games online from a place that ships games in an envelope instead of a box, though.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: MegaByte on December 27, 2009, 08:17:37 PM
I do what insanolord does, so I don't see the big deal.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: ShyGuy on December 27, 2009, 09:37:57 PM
Why not make the cases out of wood? Biodegradable and renewable. This is an excuse to sell a cheaper product at the same price.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: Morari on December 27, 2009, 10:38:31 PM
In that case hit up your local GameStop and ask if they have any cases they can spare. I've never tried this myself, but I've been told countless times that they'll generally just give them to you.
Or sell them to you for a premium price...
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: Mop it up on December 28, 2009, 12:43:31 AM
I do what insanolord does, so I don't see the big deal.
Like you said, you don't use them for display and storage so of course you don't care. These are going to be pretty fragile and get torn up if people aren't extremely careful with them.
Plus, I always think it's stupid whenever a company does something to cheapen its product.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: Guitar Smasher on December 28, 2009, 02:24:00 AM
I don't remember this kind of outlash when gaming switched from cartridge-based formats to optical.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: Mop it up on December 28, 2009, 03:04:54 AM
Discs provided better games, these cases do not benefit the consumer in any way.
If I had Internet back when the switch from cartridges to CDs happened then I would have ravaged the Internet with complaints about it.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: D_Average on December 28, 2009, 03:31:42 AM
Even though I don't sleep with my game cases, this is a bit annoying. There are smarter ways to save the world. As for cases, just make them smaller next gen. The DS and Wii cases are much bigger than they need to be.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: Kairon on December 28, 2009, 04:29:10 AM
We used to have our games come in CARDBOARD. Whatever happened to that? I mean, at least for DS we could go back to cardboard...
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: RABicle on December 28, 2009, 04:30:07 AM
Why do you guys all hate Earth so much? I reckon you should all move to Venus or Mars with your pro carbon dioxide attitude and see how you like it there.
Why not make the cases out of wood? Biodegradable and renewable. This is an excuse to sell a cheaper product at the same price.
Zelda collector's editions should be packaged like that, with the barcode and blurb a cardboard slip that you can throw away recycle.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: Kairon on December 28, 2009, 04:36:42 AM
You'd think they could find a way to make a radically new DVD case with similar form factor, but strength where it matters. I mean, we can send a man to the moon, but we can't make a lighter, yet structurally sound DVD case? Give it to some crazy engineering majors, have 'em throw extra struts/supports/doohickeys all over the place, as long as it uses less material but still protects the disc. Heck, it might even protect the disc better than before?
... Though on second thought, maybe the made the DVD changes we're seeing here because they didn't need to change the manufacturing equipment they were already made on... hmm...
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: Mop it up on December 28, 2009, 04:38:39 AM
Plus, I always think it's stupid whenever a company does something to cheapen its product.
We're talking about packaging here. The product is not worth less because of this environmental consideration.
The cases break more easily and don't protect discs very well. And this decision was done to reduce costs, companies couldn't care less about the environment.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: RABicle on December 28, 2009, 04:41:16 AM
Companies do care about the environment! You sound like someone who hates companies, and therefore hates capitalism and therefore America. Why don't you move to Thailand or somewhere, where all the software and movies are counterfeit and sold in cd cases?
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: Kairon on December 28, 2009, 04:43:47 AM
You'd think they could find a way to make a radically new DVD case with similar form factor, but strength where it matters.
Why didn't they use CD-size cases to begin with?
So maybe Sony had things right with the smaller Blu-ray cases? And even before that, the hard-plastic (I mean seriously, sometimes this plastic bordered on actual glass) CD-cases for the PSX. Or wait, maybe those hard-plastic CD cases were worse than today's DVD cases? I haven't held one in a long time, but I can imagine one actually weighing more than a modern day DVD case.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: Mop it up on December 28, 2009, 04:46:32 AM
So maybe Sony had things right with the smaller Blu-ray cases?
Yep, sounds like it. I don't know if they needed to continue with the plastic "jewel" cases like CDs had; look at DS game cases, I'll bet those are still big enough to securely fit discs.
Companies do care about the environment! You sound like someone who hates companies, and therefore hates capitalism and therefore America. Why don't you move to Thailand or somewhere, where all the software and movies are counterfeit and sold in cd cases?
Nice jumping to conclusions there.
Companies care about one thing only: profit. They just do want they can to get a good public image, so they justify something like this as being "environmentally friendly".
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 28, 2009, 04:48:13 AM
Protecting the discs inside the cases don't matter when people don't protect the cases. These cases don't belong anywhere other than a SHELF. Anything else is misuse.
In your backpack? Misuse. In a closet, not on a shelf apparatus? Misuse. On a coffee table, not in an upright shelf-standing position? Misuse. Bargain bin store pile of games? Misuse. In a sack while being transported by a donkey? Misuse.
This topic really has nothing to do with the quality of the packaging, rather, it highlights how we, as a caring, sensible society, must get rid of defective PEOPLE.
Thank you, that is all.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: Mop it up on December 28, 2009, 04:50:31 AM
Who gets to dictate what constitutes regular use and misuse? Should that right not be up to the consumer?
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 28, 2009, 04:52:24 AM
You know what would be good for the environment and reduce costs without the possibility for damaging the case or disc? Digital distribution.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: Kairon on December 28, 2009, 04:52:59 AM
In a sack while being transported by a donkey? Misuse.
This topic really has nothing to do with the quality of the packaging, rather, it highlights how we, as a caring, sensible society, must get rid of defective PEOPLE.
This is why we can't have nice things. T_T
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: Kairon on December 28, 2009, 04:53:58 AM
Protecting the discs inside the cases don't matter when people don't protect the cases. These cases don't belong anywhere other than a SHELF. Anything else is misuse.
In your backpack? Misuse. In a closet, not on a shelf apparatus? Misuse. On a coffee table, not in an upright shelf-standing position? Misuse. Bargain bin store pile of games? Misuse. In a sack while being transported by a donkey? Misuse.
This topic really has nothing to do with the quality of the packaging, rather, it highlights how we, as a caring, sensible society, must get rid of defective PEOPLE.
Thank you, that is all.
Definition of a case: an often small or portable container for enclosing something, as for carrying or safekeeping
Digital Distribution is AMAZING! Steam is amazing and they have deals all the time then big deals at the end of the year. I haven't bought a physical PC game in almost 2 years.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 28, 2009, 09:37:22 AM
This subject is getting way too much discussion. I'll break it down... Games now come in cases made with less plastic, and there are cut-out spots as well to cut down on plastic usage. Who fucking cares? Oh, you care. Well, there's nothing you can do about it, short of complaining on the internet...oh, now I get it.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: UncleBob on December 28, 2009, 10:37:51 AM
This subject is getting way too much discussion. I'll break it down... Games now come in cases made with less plastic, and there are cut-out spots as well to cut down on plastic usage. Who fucking cares? Oh, you care. Well, there's nothing you can do about it, short of complaining on the internet...oh, now I get it.
The problem is, the GIANT GAPING HOLES in the case are right behind the disc that the case is supposed to protect. Any idiot could tell you this is a bad idea. If they wanted to cut down on the packaging/weight, a smaller, Jewel-case-sized DVD case, made from the lighter plastic in slim-line form would have accomplished the same thing - if not more! (the physically smaller case would have allowed six cases to ship in about the same amount of space as two of the older cases) while still providing us with proper protection.
(Ninja edit: This is what I'm talking about: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320301912424)
These new cases are crap - DVDs have been shipping in them for a little while now and it's not uncommon to open up a box of DVDs to find one or two that have been punctured through the plastic wrap, the plastic liner and the artwork through to the disc. This is during shipping - it doesn't even account for shelf-wear or use at home.
You think used game come in awful condition now - wait until these cases are main-stream.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: Morari on December 28, 2009, 11:24:19 AM
Companies do care about the environment! You sound like someone who hates companies, and therefore hates capitalism and therefore America. Why don't you move to Thailand or somewhere, where all the software and movies are counterfeit and sold in cd cases?
Companies care about profits, period. Environmentalism is a fad right now, and thus can bring in profits if companies pretend to enjoy it. Besides, something like this will ultimately cut manufacturing costs anyway, and in turn increase profits. Capitalism is horrid for many reasons, only one of which is the one mentioned above. Thankfully, most of my software and movies are already counterfeit without having to move to Thailand. Though I do hear that the ladyboys there are quite exquisite.
Really though... Why does anyone care about these cases? The DVD case standard is already oversized and cheaply made in comparison to jewels cases or those old Genesis cases. Really people, do you like having shelves and shelves full of ugly game and movies cases sitting around? Buy a few nice disc binders and leave it at that. If you want to show off your shelves, go buy some fucking books already.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: ShyGuy on December 28, 2009, 11:40:44 AM
I'm going to ignore the bait in Morari's post. Just walking away...
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: vudu on December 28, 2009, 12:03:05 PM
This is a warning. Don't swing the conversation towards piracy again or there will be bannings.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: Morari on December 28, 2009, 12:16:47 PM
This is a warning. Don't swing the conversation towards piracy again or there will be bannings.
Yeah, better watch out RABicle. Start mentioning piracy a dozen posts ago and see what happens?
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: ShyGuy on December 28, 2009, 07:15:15 PM
Hiya rony1434. Amazingly, as a spambot, you are still not the worst post in this thread.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 28, 2009, 11:51:52 PM
I bought Crystal Bearers today, and after looking at and feeling the case I have to say that I don't understand how this is a big deal. I mean, I understand that the Internet likes to find things to complain about, but things must be going really well these days if this is the worst thing we can come up with.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 29, 2009, 12:04:48 AM
I bought Crystal Bearers today, and after looking at and feeling the case I have to say that I don't understand how this is a big deal. I mean, I understand that the Internet likes to find things to complain about, but things must be going really well these days if this is the worst thing we can come up with.
I've pretty much said all that needs to be said about it. http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=30216.msg574470#msg574470 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=30216.msg574470#msg574470)
If you're shipping games, then you might have something to worry about, but I noticed it right when I got it, but didn't realize that everyone would make such a big deal about it.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: UncleBob on December 29, 2009, 12:46:05 AM
I don't think anyone's making a "big deal" out of it. I haven't read anyone saying they're going to boycott buying games or anything. I think the general consensus is that it's just plain stupid. There are better solutions (ones that provide more cost savings and more earth savings) without putting the disc at risk.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 29, 2009, 01:23:45 AM
They should just make the whole disc case out of the black box.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: Shorty McNostril on December 29, 2009, 03:24:21 AM
The problem is, the GIANT GAPING HOLES in the case are right behind the disc that the case is supposed to protect. Any idiot could tell you this is a bad idea. If they wanted to cut down on the packaging/weight, a smaller, Jewel-case-sized DVD case, made from the lighter plastic in slim-line form would have accomplished the same thing - if not more! (the physically smaller case would have allowed six cases to ship in about the same amount of space as two of the older cases) while still providing us with proper protection.
It would work, but many people use DVD racks to store their games, (me included). If they changed the overall dimensions of the case then you couldn't store them this way.
I'm sorry if I missed it earlier in the thread, but are these cases coming to DVD movies too?
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 29, 2009, 04:19:41 AM
DVD's have been using them already, Xbox360 and Wii games are new to using them, and no one knows if PS3 will have a casing change since their cases are already smaller than the rest.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: Shorty McNostril on December 29, 2009, 07:21:16 AM
Ok. I haven't seen them yet. Mustn't been released in Australia yet.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: stevey on December 29, 2009, 10:00:28 AM
The problems is I want my games to last FOREVER and these cases prevent that. >:(
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: Pale on December 29, 2009, 12:14:08 PM
This argument is definitely overblown and that's because there are so many people like Stevey that have unreasonable expectations about their collections. Stevey, you only want your games to last as long as you will have interest in keeping them, and I guarantee that is a much shorter time than foever.
I agree though, the fact that one misguided knife/pokey object/etc. could potentially put a scratch in the back of the disc is pretty lame. It's less a concern for the longevity of a game and more for just receiving a new game in working order. Collectors will still take care of their stuff, as long as their stuff arrives in good shape.
If you want to save the environment there's only one real way to do it, screw the retailers, force gamers to change, and move to digital distribution.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: ShyGuy on December 29, 2009, 01:22:49 PM
save the enviroment = screw retailers? force gamers?
Nice subversive socialist political post there, Pale. :@
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: nickmitch on December 29, 2009, 01:24:10 PM
I'm gonna wait on having a solid opinion on this until I see whether or not this fucks up my games on arrival or what I deem to be typical use.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: King of Twitch on December 29, 2009, 01:27:45 PM
I have an idea... cut out two rectangular pieces of cardboard and place it behind the boxart front and back
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: Pale on December 29, 2009, 02:13:14 PM
Not sure if you are kidding or not with your post ShyGuy, but there is nothing socialist about my statement. Maybe my wording was poor, but by "force gamers" I meant that the publishers should start only releasing their games as DLC and see if it works. If people stopped buying games, then obviously the publishers would have to go back to what works... I just don't think that would be the case.
The retailers are just at the mercy of the gamers' decision in the matter, but if they decide to adopt digital distribution, then yeah, the retailers would be screwed.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: Halbred on December 29, 2009, 02:24:45 PM
Totally unrelated rants:
I love it when people bring the word "socialist" into a conversation. The connotation invokes Cold War paranoia by its very definition. In fact, socialism is alive and well and basically operates just fine in western Europe. Britain does not equal the Soviet Union. The term ("socialist") is just so outdated now that's it's almost a self parody.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 29, 2009, 02:30:18 PM
Not just western Europe....
welfare, social security, medicare, food stamps, etc etc.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 29, 2009, 03:39:46 PM
friend codes...
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 29, 2009, 03:46:46 PM
I have an idea... cut out two rectangular pieces of cardboard and place it behind the boxart front and back
Is that before or after the games are punctured at retail?
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: King of Twitch on December 29, 2009, 03:48:20 PM
What do you think
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 29, 2009, 03:55:36 PM
I think the individual will be too busy complaining here after purchasing their punctured game.
And about those CD binder recommendations... Everyone I've met who uses the binders all have scratched discs. So I think this whole binder advantage is just a myth, and that brings me back to my original point that we're dealing with defective people instead, throughout the shipping/retail/consumer chain.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: ShyGuy on December 29, 2009, 04:38:22 PM
I love it when people bring the word "socialist" into a conversation. The connotation invokes Cold War paranoia by its very definition. In fact, socialism is alive and well and basically operates just fine in western Europe. Britain does not equal the Soviet Union. The term ("socialist") is just so outdated now that's it's almost a self parody.
Okay, Official Admin/Moderator/Staff, let us continue your discussion of the politics of socialism. Pale advocates removing consumer choice in how and where they purchase games. This is done by eliminating a private business option. By forsaking the choices of the individual Pale argues that the society as a whole is better served in the case of their enviroment. What would that be called?
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 29, 2009, 04:49:23 PM
We could still have digital stores.
GS could offer downloads of software and maybe even offer trade in on software you already bought(from them) allowing you to never access the game again (without re-buying it) in exchange for credits towards something new(once again, from them).
Amazon does game downloads, Steam/D2D/Impulse could start providing console downloads. Buy.com, Newegg and countless other websites could have some universal DRM that would allow you to access you game forever and ever and still give you the options of where you want to purchase your games from.
Some places might even still give you the option of a physical purchase (at extra cost) but I'm sure it would still have to work through some sort of online verification and only with any system registered to your account.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: ShyGuy on December 29, 2009, 04:51:47 PM
How about we let people determine what they want?
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 29, 2009, 05:26:22 PM
Well, when people start producing the things that they themselves want, then they don't have to worry about what other people provide for them.
At this point in time our only options are the ones that are provided for us, so if you are not getting something that you want from the people providing it, there is nothing stopping you from filling that demand yourself. Free Enterprise.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: stevey on December 29, 2009, 06:29:48 PM
DLC/DRM/DMCA are just scams that will eventually end up forcing people to repurchase games/movies/music over and over again every time you want to play them. If I want to play my copy of snes games, I get a cart2usb adapter and play it. If I want to play Gamecube games I just place the disk in the drive and play it. If I want to play World of Goo on the Wii 2, Well I'm fucked.
The way the market is going is to screw over consumers by removing their rights to maximize profit.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 29, 2009, 06:49:19 PM
PORN
More profitable than Women
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: UncleBob on December 29, 2009, 08:27:30 PM
Aside from the DVD rack thing, has anyone came up with a legitimate reason for not moving to a smaller CD/DS sized case?
In regards to the DVD rack comment, I must say - I don't remember hearing any such complaints when VHS switched to DVD or DVD switched to HD-DVD/Blu-Ray or Records switched to 8-Tracks to Cassettes to CDs...
I think, considering most existing CD racks would easily hold slimline jewel-case sized DVD cases, no one should have any problems finding something to adapt the newer case into.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: nickmitch on December 29, 2009, 09:01:16 PM
Wouldn't all the booklets that come with games have to be redesigned too? And with Nintendo, half of them are the exact same warning crap which would have to be converted. That could be costly.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: UncleBob on December 29, 2009, 09:28:24 PM
Actually, that's where the cost savings and earth-friendliness gets better. The cases could be clear so that one side of the insert has the cover art and the back side (inside) has some simple instructions in inserting the disc and basic health/safety warnings.
When you insert the disc into the system and start it up for the first time, you'll get a message (similar to one about creating a save file saying "Would you like to view the manual for this game?" - you can then read it or not, via the system. If you opt not to read it (or when you're done reading it) you'll get a message like "You can check the manual at any time by pressing the "Home" button and selecting "Operations Manual". After you make your selection, the disc will create a bit in the save file telling the system not to prompt you for the manual again.
So, now, we've just eliminated manuals - so there goes a ton of paper and printing and cuts down on the shipping weight even further.
If necessary (for whatever reason) a small four page (one sheet, folded in half) or eight-page (two sheets, folded in half, stapled together) would fit inside the cases I linked to earlier.
Worst-case, you could still use cases of standard thickness and have DS-sized manuals/inserts. It'd still cut down on plastic, weight and size. (Again, these "eco" cases do nothing in regards to size)...
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: Morari on December 29, 2009, 10:04:10 PM
DLC/DRM/DMCA are just scams that will eventually end up forcing people to repurchase games/movies/music over and over again every time you want to play them. If I want to play my copy of snes games, I get a cart2usb adapter and play it. If I want to play Gamecube games I just place the disk in the drive and play it. If I want to play World of Goo on the Wii 2, Well I'm fucked.
The way the market is going is to screw over consumers by removing their rights to maximize profit.
You know, digital distribution would be awesome if it didn't come with all that DRM. I wouldn't mind at all having to buy everything online, so long as I can then burn that game to a disc myself for safe keeping, or at least stow the .exe away on my hard drive for later installs.
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: kraken613 on December 29, 2009, 10:15:19 PM
Not sure if you are kidding or not with your post ShyGuy, but there is nothing socialist about my statement. Maybe my wording was poor, but by "force gamers" I meant that the publishers should start only releasing their games as DLC and see if it works. If people stopped buying games, then obviously the publishers would have to go back to what works... I just don't think that would be the case.
The retailers are just at the mercy of the gamers' decision in the matter, but if they decide to adopt digital distribution, then yeah, the retailers would be screwed.
Well its obvious you put out a good digital distribution platform and you don't force people to use it but give them the option. You make one very high profile game require it. Then everyone has it and see's a game they want to play now. They buy it, then they start buying more and more from it you have insane sales and people buy even more. Then everyone is using it and retail sales are horrible and people say gaming is dead because retail sales are horrible. But what they don't think about is all the sales aren't reported because its not at "retail".
O wait, thats PC gaming.....
Title: Re: "Green" Game Cases...
Post by: Kairon on December 29, 2009, 10:20:11 PM
DLC/DRM/DMCA are just scams that will eventually end up forcing people to repurchase games/movies/music over and over again every time you want to play them. If I want to play my copy of snes games, I get a cart2usb adapter and play it. If I want to play Gamecube games I just place the disk in the drive and play it. If I want to play World of Goo on the Wii 2, Well I'm ****ed.
The way the market is going is to screw over consumers by removing their rights to maximize profit.
You know, digital distribution would be awesome if it didn't come with all that DRM. I wouldn't mind at all having to buy everything online, so long as I can then burn that game to a disc myself for safe keeping, or at least stow the .exe away on my hard drive for later installs.
I hear that GOG.com is like this, DRM-FREE, though a lot of their library is made up of games from the 90's that are more likely to appeal to oldschool gamers like you and me. They do have newer releases though... I'm planning on getting a bunch of old strategy or adventure PC games off that site sometime.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 29, 2009, 10:21:34 PM
Piracy is also not at retail. Piracy(TM), the original digi-distro. Checkout the latest piracy charts from N.ew P.irate D.ata.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 29, 2009, 10:33:14 PM
Piracy is also not at retail. Piracy(TM), the original digi-distro. Checkout the latest piracy charts from N.ew P.irate D.ata.
I got the real stuff for you.... ::looks around all suspicious:: But you can't tell nobody.... The Most Pirated Games of 2009 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=30231.new#new)
PS3 has no list
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Post by: KDR_11k on December 30, 2009, 11:56:46 AM
At least I've got a pile of spare cases from the early Wii points cards.
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Post by: Rize on December 30, 2009, 07:52:59 PM
I hate these cases.
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Post by: D_Average on December 31, 2009, 12:38:01 AM
At first I didn't think they were a big deal, and while I'm not in rage mode yet I can see how this change is definitely annoying, b/c there are obviously smarter ways around this issue. And as someone who buys used games, this could have a slighter bigger impact than I first thought.
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Post by: King of Twitch on January 01, 2010, 02:47:04 PM
I just opened MASH season 6 and the cut-out is on the box too. Disgraceful.
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Post by: Dirk Temporo on January 02, 2010, 06:30:59 PM
I don't know if the Wii cases are different from the 360 cases, but the 360 cases are fine.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 02, 2010, 11:57:15 PM
I was going through my DVD collection today and came across the cases for the Futurama DVD movies. Anyone who has any of those knows that these green game cases could have been a lot worse.
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Post by: UncleBob on January 05, 2010, 09:33:31 AM
So, someone brought in a copy of the two-disc Family Guy Star Wars DVD set to exchange. This two disc set comes with individual copies of each DVD in individual cases inside a cardboard box.
Both movies were in these new "Green" cases. Now, think about this for a moment - they wasted the packaging to put these individual DVDs into individual cases, then wrap them in a cardboard sleeve. But the cases are eco-friendly!
Anyway, the newer one (Something Something Dark Side) was punctured through the back of it. The cardboard wrap around was not damaged in any way.
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Post by: Ian Sane on January 07, 2010, 04:32:55 PM
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Really people, do you like having shelves and shelves full of ugly game and movies cases sitting around?
Yeah I do. It's no different then a book shelf full of books. Are books ugly? I have all these shelves in my closet and it's got books and DVDs and videogames all organized and I think it looks pretty cool. But I've never seen stuff like this a disposable and thus see the case as an important part. I'm the sort of person that enjoys a music album as a whole and consider the order of songs and the cover art and liner notes and all that stuff to be part of the experience. Most of the world these days just wants a bunch of MP3s on their PC and/or iPod. I acknowledge it's a less common attitude to have these days and that younger generations have no sentimentality for that sort of thing.
When I think of something being environmentally friendly I think of it relating to garbage. Packing something in a blister pack for example is bad for the environment because it's a big hunk of plastic that everyone is going to immediately throw in the trash. But this isn't meant to be thrown in the trash. It's supposed to protect the disc and thus should be built to last. It not being bio-degradable is logically a GOOD thing. It's the whole damn purpose of it. If I want to keep something then I specifically don't want it turning into compost on me. It is only wasteful to make little or no use of something. I'm using the case for as long as the game itself works so it isn't a waste of plastic - no more so than the materials used for the disc itself.
And the whole thing is so damn phony. They'll wrap the whole game in plastic wrap that will be IMMEDIATELY thrown out. The game will come with useless promotional material (not the manual, the other stuff) that most people ignore. The same companies that give us flimsy packaging will also package a controller in a hard plastic blister pack. It's just to pinch pennies and environmentalism is the spin to put on it. It's phony hypocritical lip-service and that's why I hate it. You're all full of **** so just give me a decent case for my game.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 07, 2010, 09:01:01 PM
So, someone brought in a copy of the two-disc Family Guy Star Wars DVD set to exchange. This two disc set comes with individual copies of each DVD in individual cases inside a cardboard box.
Both movies were in these new "Green" cases. Now, think about this for a moment - they wasted the packaging to put these individual DVDs into individual cases, then wrap them in a cardboard sleeve. But the cases are eco-friendly!
Anyway, the newer one (Something Something Dark Side) was punctured through the back of it. The cardboard wrap around was not damaged in any way.
I just bought the Star Wars Prequel Trilogy and each of the three movies comes in its own "green" case.
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Post by: Mop it up on January 08, 2010, 03:55:19 AM
There is more plastic used in microwave dinner trays than in these cases.
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Post by: Morari on January 08, 2010, 07:21:56 PM
Just try putting one of these cases on your microwave instead!
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Post by: Dirk Temporo on January 13, 2010, 03:11:44 AM
For the same reason I bought Star Treks I, V, and IX: I wanted to have the complete collection, regardless of whether I'd watch them or not.
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Post by: Morari on January 14, 2010, 11:01:42 PM
Even the worst Star Trek film is still better than anything to be pushed out of Star War after The Empire Strikes Back.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 14, 2010, 11:35:52 PM
That's lucidcrous; at the very least, The Motion Picture and The Final Frontier are far worse than the prequels.
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Post by: Morari on January 15, 2010, 10:14:52 AM
Nope, sorry. "Generations" was easily the worst Star Trek film. Even it didn't have a ridiculously racist comic-relief character, nor was it 99% cartoony CGI. I will omit the new film, simply titled "Star Trek" as it is far too generic of an action flick to really be considered part of the franchise. ;)
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Post by: Dirk Temporo on January 15, 2010, 04:30:36 PM
Even the worst Star Trek film is still better than anything to be pushed out of Star War after The Empire Strikes Back.
This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6lzEhoXads). There was nothing wrong with Return of the Jedi, and to even put it in the same boat as the prequels is just blasphemy of the highest order.
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Post by: D_Average on January 15, 2010, 09:57:34 PM
Even the worst Star Trek film is still better than anything to be pushed out of Star War after The Empire Strikes Back.
Definately This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6lzEhoXads). There was nothing wrong with Return of the Jedi, and to even put it in the same boat as the prequels is just blasphemy of the highest order.
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Post by: UncleBob on January 15, 2010, 10:37:06 PM
Star Wars Holiday Special. 'nuff said.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 16, 2010, 12:06:52 AM
All the plastic Nintendo & Friends are saving is helping them make more copies of Mario and more Wii systems. Brilliant strategy, breaking records.
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Post by: KDR_11k on January 16, 2010, 03:40:06 AM
Even the worst Star Trek film is still better than anything to be pushed out of Star War after The Empire Strikes Back.
There was nothing wrong with Return of the Jedi
Ewoks. May not be that major but you said "nothing".
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Post by: vudu on January 16, 2010, 10:29:29 AM
How about Luke Skywalker suddenly transitioning from a reckless boy coming to grips with his powers to a cool, collected Jedi Master in about 5 minutes? That bothers me more than a few puppets taking out giant walking tanks with some sticks and stones. (Well, when I put it like that, maybe not ....)
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 17, 2010, 06:05:01 PM
Ewoks are like Nintendo disrupting the incumbent Industry.
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Post by: Dirk Temporo on January 17, 2010, 06:10:19 PM
Ewoks. May not be that major but you said "nothing".
Ewoks served as a caricature for the standard "Natives use geurilla warfare to defeat the evil invaders" and if they're bad, then so are the Na'vi in Avatar. I have yet to hear a single good explanation for all the hate on the ewoks. People complain about them all the time but when pressured as to why, I never get an answer.
How about Luke Skywalker suddenly transitioning from a reckless boy coming to grips with his powers to a cool, collected Jedi Master in about 5 minutes?
There were three years between ANH and ESB, which is when the majority of that transition took place. He spent several months on Dagobah receiving training from Yoda, then there was roughly a year and a half between ESB and RotJ, during which Luke was sent on a number of missions of various types, as well as spending ample time alone honing his skills, including the construction of his own lightsaber.
Luke was 19 in ANH, and almost four years of intense travel and fighting with the rebel alliance is plenty to help him grow up.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 17, 2010, 06:14:11 PM
vudu makes it sound like IV-VI happened over the course of 3 weeks.
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Post by: vudu on January 18, 2010, 02:15:02 PM
No, Luke's still a boy at the end of Empire and then he suddenly shows up at the beginning of Jedi and he's a super bad ass. How much time passed between those movies?
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Post by: King of Twitch on January 18, 2010, 02:19:00 PM
Maybe it was the midi clhorians
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Post by: Dirk Temporo on January 18, 2010, 02:44:47 PM
No, Luke's still a boy at the end of Empire and then he suddenly shows up at the beginning of Jedi and he's a super bad ass. How much time passed between those movies?
A year and a half or so, like I said in my post on the last page. He doesn't "suddenly show up as a super badass." He's still not even remotely close to being super badass in RotJ. I mean what all did he do? He killed the rancor. Okay, anybody with a brain could have done that. He saved Han Solo? With the help of several members of a galaxy-wide military rebellion. He goes to Endor and levitates C-3PO. Whoopie ding.
The only "super badass" thing he does in RotJ is beat Vader, and that was only a product of Vader continuously taking it easy on him, and his anger at the Emperor's taunting. Any badassery is the culmination of FOUR YEARS of running around with militaristic rebels, as well as standard progression in his Force training.
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Post by: vudu on January 18, 2010, 02:50:19 PM
In the opening scene of Jedi, Luke calmly walks in, uses the Jedi mind-trick to get in to see Jabba and states his request for his friends to be set free. The Luke at the end of Empire would have stormed the fortress and used force as his primary method of rescuing Han and Leia.
Also, it took Luke a year and a half to get around to saving his friends? WTF was he doing all that time? I have zero exposure to the expanded universe, so if it's not readily explained in the 6 movies I'm in the dark.
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on January 18, 2010, 03:24:48 PM
In the opening scene of Jedi, Luke calmly walks in, uses the Jedi mind-trick to get in to see Jabba and states his request for his friends to be set free. The Luke at the end of Empire would have stormed the fortress and used force as his primary method of rescuing Han and Leia.
Also, it took Luke a year and a half to get around to saving his friends? WTF was he doing all that time? I have zero exposure to the expanded universe, so if it's not readily explained in the 6 movies I'm in the dark.
The scene at Jabba's palace is just Luke putting on a show for Jabba's benefit, hoping to get Han back without a fight, but also getting all the pieces in place for his backup plan. Lando's spent months getting in as a guard, to give you an idea of how much work they've put into it.
If that seems too mature a plan, consider that the Luke at the end of ESB had just learned a painful lesson in rushing in unprepared. He learned that he was the fruit of Darth Vader's loins, lost a hand (along with that youthful sense of immortality all kids have), and didn't even save his friends. They saved him.
Between movies, they spent some time trying to intercept Boba Fett before he could arrange payment and make delivery to Jabba. When that failed, they were faced with a rescue mission far harder than freeing Leia from the Death Star (the Empire actually helped them infiltrate the station and escape it).
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 18, 2010, 06:52:12 PM
Getting your hand chopped off and nearly killed by your mortal enemy who also turns out to be your long-lost father seems like the kind of thing that could force you to grow up pretty quickly.
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Post by: Kairon on January 18, 2010, 06:58:35 PM
Ewoks. May not be that major but you said "nothing".
Ewoks served as a caricature for the standard "Natives use geurilla warfare to defeat the evil invaders" and if they're bad, then so are the Na'vi in Avatar. I have yet to hear a single good explanation for all the hate on the ewoks. People complain about them all the time but when pressured as to why, I never get an answer.
Yeah, I never understood that either. The ewoks, to me, are AWESOME. Utterly, and completely, awesome. And man, I hated the "special" edition of the original trilogy because they replaced the awesome Ewok victory music.
...yubyub.
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Post by: ShyGuy on January 18, 2010, 07:15:25 PM
Teddy Bears aren't manly. Neither are Green game cases. Do we have an all purpose Star Wars thread?
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Post by: Morari on January 18, 2010, 07:19:17 PM
Getting your hand chopped off and nearly killed by your mortal enemy who also turns out to be your long-lost father seems like the kind of thing that could force you to grow up pretty quickly.
Or run away crying, just like his father spent three entire films doing. :P
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Post by: ShyGuy on January 18, 2010, 09:39:49 PM
Hey look, I made a Star Wars thread: http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=30387.0
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Post by: bustin98 on January 25, 2010, 01:31:49 PM
There was a question here of whether or not PS3 disks will get this treatment. I picked up some bluray movies this weekend and one had the recycle cutout. Guess at some point every plastic case no matter what it is will have this 'feature'. Just imagine the peanut butter jars...
