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Title: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: kraken613 on August 17, 2009, 11:20:01 PM
Ok, we all know its coming out and going to be announced tomorrow(18th) at GamesCon. Sony is like a leaky faucet. (Ok, so if tomorrow its not announced I will look like an idiot)
So who will buy one? What would make you buy one? Do you think this is a great move for Sony?
Well I am buying one day one since the PS3 is my main console. It will be nice not to have a monster in my home theater cabinet. If it is at a price of $299 this will be a turning point for Sony, the maker of the greater HD console....
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 17, 2009, 11:32:03 PM
Assuming the rumor of a PS3 slim is true (I don't treat rumors as fact), No. I got a PS3 last November and it works just fine. Based on the rumors, the ONLY benefit of the PS3 slim is that it is slightly smaller and MAYBE backwards compatible with the PS2. That will not convince anyone to buy a PS3. Considering Sony is still losing money on the PS3 at $400, I don't see how they could afford to drop the price to $300 (especially Sony as a whole posted a loss of over $1 billion last quarter.
I don't get why any existing PS3 owners would buy this either, except MAYBE those who bought a launch model 20GB version.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: mac<censored> on August 18, 2009, 10:13:24 AM
If the price change is actually true, it certainly becomes a lot more pick-uppable; maybe I'm not entirely rational about such things, but to me, there's a vast gulf between $299 and $399 -- the latter is just too much, the former, is a definite hmmm.
If it's not a huge bloated pustule like the original PS3, that's also a nice plus.
I don't know how Sony is going to ever make any money at that price-point though. Maybe they've simply gone insane, and will do anything to win, even if it means destroying the company...
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: NWR_DrewMG on August 18, 2009, 10:33:39 AM
I'm planning on getting a PS3 eventually, but this won't necessarily accelerate the matter. I'm waiting for The Last Guardian to be released.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: KDR_11k on August 18, 2009, 10:41:52 AM
Probably not, I've paid enough on gaming hardware already.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 18, 2009, 11:40:09 AM
There's nowhere near enough on the platform for me to even consider buying one unless they cut the price in half and reintroduce backwards compatibility.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: kraken613 on August 18, 2009, 01:34:14 PM
PS3 Slim early Sept.
The PS3 Slim will have a 120GB hard drive, will consume 34% less power and will be 32% smaller. Oh, and the price? $299!
This is breaking within the minute!
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Ian Sane on August 18, 2009, 01:51:43 PM
The PS3 went from being easily the least appealing console to me to the most in the last few years. Originally it seemed all the good games were also available on the Xbox 360 but now I would say that it has the exclusives that interest me more. What was holding me back was the price. It was just too much money. Now it's affordable, so I'll get it.
The Wii is not cutting it for me, plain and simple. There are games on the horizon I'm looking forward to but they're too infrequent. The third party support is crap and is not going to change. Nintendo's first party releases are now split between the new market and the old so from my perspective their output is decreased. And realistically I just don't seem to be a priority to them. They don't care if I'm satisfied or not. They're making money hand over fist so they're not going to change anything. I feel like they're taking my support for granted. But I'll still have my Wii and will buy the titles that do interest me. Next gen is up in the air though. Right now I'd say they've lost me for next gen if they maintain the status quo.
The question for me now is what PS3 game will I get first?
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: kraken613 on August 18, 2009, 01:54:07 PM
GET UNCHARTED! Its amazing!
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 18, 2009, 02:12:33 PM
"so from my perspective their output is decreased"
That's a funny thought. Even if you cut out the new market games, Nintendo's first party output seems to be identical to the GameCube's in the same time period since launch.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Ghisy on August 18, 2009, 02:16:22 PM
This version is cheaper and I was kinda mad at first (because I got mine 2 months ago) but it looks so fugly. I'm glad I got the 80Gb PS3 back in June and there's no way I'm buying the Slimmer model.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: ShyGuy on August 18, 2009, 02:49:58 PM
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: NWR_Lindy on August 18, 2009, 02:58:43 PM
Once I get a house I may pick up a Slim for the living room and the 70" HDTV I vow to buy. For now, my original 60GB with its upgraded hard drive (300GB) is fine.
Ian: You will love the PS3. Definitely get Uncharted, MGS4, and WipEout. Depending on what genres you like, Motorstorm: Pacific Rift, Resistance 2, Ratchet & Clank, Hot Shots Golf, Killzone 2, CoD4, GTA4, Super Stardust HD, Street Fighter IV, LittleBigPlanet, Marvel vs. Capcom 2...also coming up is Gran Turismo 5, Uncharted 2, MAG, God of War 3...
Need I go on?
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: kraken613 on August 18, 2009, 03:04:50 PM
^ Yes, I will pump the PS3 love out with you! :P
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 18, 2009, 03:08:26 PM
If Ian trades-in his Wii collection and system, he can get EVEN MORE value towards the purchase of his PS3.
You do the same, kraken618.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: broodwars on August 18, 2009, 03:13:03 PM
Some games I can recommend on the PS3 (yes, many of these are multi-platform. So what?):
-Valkyria Chronicles - Strategy -Uncharted: Drake's Fortune - Action/Adventure -LittleBigPlanet - Platforming -Dead Space - Action/Adventure/Horror -Silent Hill Homecoming - Horror -Alone in the Dark: Inferno - Action/Adventure (Yes, the PS3 version is actuallly good) -Fallout 3 - RPG -Prince of Persia - Action/Platforming -Bioshock - Shooter
This PS3 is mostly what the system should have been at launch, as it's priced just right with everything it should have except for backwards compatibility. If there's any justice, it should beat the crap out of the Wii in sales along with the 360 now, but somehow I doubt it. Hopefully Sony will announce a proper software update to fix backwards compatibility across the board for all the PS3s, just to sweeten the deal.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 18, 2009, 03:20:26 PM
"This PS3 is mostly what the system should have been at launch, as it's priced just right with everything it should have except for backwards compatibility."
Hmm, if it launched like that I can't imagine it being more than 3 PS2s taped together. The initial cost of super tech is hard to escape.
"If there's any justice, it should beat the crap out of the Wii in sales along with the 360 now, but somehow I doubt it."
We know it won't attract the Wii Fit/Wii Motion audience, but it should help bite into those PS2 sales and grab system-delayed gamers. The justice already took place, the market's rejection of a $600 system leading to its devaluation.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: kraken613 on August 18, 2009, 03:23:16 PM
Thats one thing about the Slim, I am going to wait until BC because my 80GB MotorStorm bundle PS3 does have BC. When there is a software BC fix I will be getting a Slim.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: NWR_Lindy on August 18, 2009, 03:27:20 PM
Yup, that's the last piece of the PS3 Slim puzzle. Maybe they'll announce that at TGS, ahead of the holiday season.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: KDR_11k on August 18, 2009, 03:30:11 PM
This PS3 is mostly what the system should have been at launch, as it's priced just right with everything it should have except for backwards compatibility. If there's any justice, it should beat the crap out of the Wii in sales along with the 360 now, but somehow I doubt it. Hopefully Sony will announce a proper software update to fix backwards compatibility across the board for all the PS3s, just to sweeten the deal.
Justice? The justice that lead to the stagnation of the PS1-PS2 era? The justice that would have caused the second video game crash if not for the Wii and DS? Sony suffered the consequences of their actions with the PS3 and PSP. THAT'S JUSTICE.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 18, 2009, 03:51:08 PM
This PS3 is mostly what the system should have been at launch, as it's priced just right with everything it should have except for backwards compatibility. If there's any justice, it should beat the crap out of the Wii in sales along with the 360 now, but somehow I doubt it. Hopefully Sony will announce a proper software update to fix backwards compatibility across the board for all the PS3s, just to sweeten the deal.
Justice? The justice that lead to the stagnation of the PS1-PS2 era? The justice that would have caused the second video game crash if not for the Wii and DS? Sony suffered the consequences of their actions with the PS3 and PSP. THAT'S JUSTICE.
You get him ShyGuy Gooberface.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: broodwars on August 18, 2009, 03:59:40 PM
This PS3 is mostly what the system should have been at launch, as it's priced just right with everything it should have except for backwards compatibility. If there's any justice, it should beat the crap out of the Wii in sales along with the 360 now, but somehow I doubt it. Hopefully Sony will announce a proper software update to fix backwards compatibility across the board for all the PS3s, just to sweeten the deal.
Justice? The justice that lead to the stagnation of the PS1-PS2 era? The justice that would have caused the second video game crash if not for the Wii and DS? Sony suffered the consequences of their actions with the PS3 and PSP. THAT'S JUSTICE.
Until the advent of the Wii, the PS1 and PS2 grew gaming more than Nintendo could have ever dreamed. Sony got justifiably bitch-slapped by the market for pricing the PS3 as they did. No one's arguing that point. But the only thing Nintendo proved is that with a clever bit of marketing and a new interface that pretends to do more than it actually does (without an attachment that would come years later), you too can massively sell a console (mostly) without a worthwhile lineup of games so long as the people you sell it to just don't know any better.
Yeah, it sounds like I'm really coming down on the Wii, but I do like the console...on those rare occasions when there's actually a game I want to play on the thing. I'm more disappointed in the Wii than hate it, mostly because we all know the next great wave of games for it is coming in the future. It's not a graphical thing, either: I play more PS2 games on my PS3 than PS3 ones (and I do really like my PS3 games), and I have always said that if Wii games were at least as good looking as Final Fantasy X (in art design) I'd be perfectly happy with the system. The Wii is just not enough for me anymore, and before this generation I was a die-hard Nintendo fanboy that had never bought a non-Nintendo system.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Pandareus on August 18, 2009, 04:03:30 PM
The PS1 era was stagnant? I kind of skipped that gen and went with PC gaming for a while, but from my outsider perspective the PS1 era seemed plenty diverse to me. Sony managed to bring in tons of new gamers, developers where experimenting a ton with 3D gaming with often surprising and delightful results (Jumping Flash!, I love you!), publishers took way more risks bringing crazy Japanese titles to the West, etc.
I'm not even sure I agree the PS2 era was stagnant. Games were perhaps less crazy and inventive, but the added horsepower still made possible new concepts not really possible the previous gen, like the sandbox genre.
If any console gen shows stagnation, it's the current one. Even so, lots of imaginative titles are making it to us via download services. But the retail market is pretty damn unexciting, IMO.
...at any rate, I got a PS3 last year and I certainly would recommend the slim at that price. Make sure to download Flower, certainly one of the best experiences I've had this gen. And don't miss on Infamous and Ratchet and Clank, two titles that grabbed me way more than I could have possibly imagined.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: NWR_Lindy on August 18, 2009, 04:15:50 PM
Wait, what? Why that when he could get Tiger Woods 10 on the Wii which is universally agreed to be THE definitive golf game?
Because it's the equivalent of the Mario Golf game that Nintendo inexplicably hasn't made for Wii, that's why.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Halbred on August 18, 2009, 04:19:53 PM
If I can sell my current 40 gig PS3 (and I know I can), I'm SO buying a Slim. My only worry is transferring game saves, but if I have a big enough USB stick(s), it should be too much trouble. I heard rumors that Capcom saves don't transfer, which doesn't bug me except for RE5, which I've sunk dozens of hours into.
I also read that the game's latest update unlocks save transfers, so I'm plugging that puppy in today and getting the update.
Exciting!
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Ian Sane on August 18, 2009, 04:47:48 PM
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If Ian trades-in his Wii collection and system, he can get EVEN MORE value towards the purchase of his PS3.
Hell no. I would only do that if I was so broke that I couldn't afford to feed myself. Since that would require me to lose my job, blow my savings, lose all my friends and ruin my relationship with my family members so severly that wouldn't help me out that's probably not going to happen unless I start doing heroin or something.
I'm not disappointed with my Wii collection but rather that the collection is so small. While disappointed with it I don't regret the purchase. Super Mario Galaxy alone is worth owning a Wii for.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on August 18, 2009, 04:59:24 PM
If I can sell my current 40 gig PS3 (and I know I can), I'm SO buying a Slim. My only worry is transferring game saves, but if I have a big enough USB stick(s), it should be too much trouble. I heard rumors that Capcom saves don't transfer, which doesn't bug me except for RE5, which I've sunk dozens of hours into.
I also read that the game's latest update unlocks save transfers, so I'm plugging that puppy in today and getting the update.
Exciting!
Some EA games don't transfer, don't bother trying to store the 5GB install data files.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Plugabugz on August 18, 2009, 05:00:34 PM
I have 5 PS3 games, no PS3. I have been waiting for a price drop since the beginning of the universe.
Now all they have to do is announce a "price drop" which equates to the UK being ripped off as usual and i will return to regularly scheduled slagging within a week.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: broodwars on August 18, 2009, 05:03:54 PM
If I can sell my current 40 gig PS3 (and I know I can), I'm SO buying a Slim. My only worry is transferring game saves, but if I have a big enough USB stick(s), it should be too much trouble. I heard rumors that Capcom saves don't transfer, which doesn't bug me except for RE5, which I've sunk dozens of hours into.
I also read that the game's latest update unlocks save transfers, so I'm plugging that puppy in today and getting the update.
Exciting!
Some EA games don't transfer, don't bother trying to store the 5GB install data files.
He can always just backup his data to an external HDD like I did when I had to send my PS3 in for repairs. That thing had more than enough room for all my data, even the multi-GB installs.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Halbred on August 18, 2009, 05:31:41 PM
I'll probably just re-install everything.
No EA games, but I do have some Capcom games (RE5, SF4) and I've heard they don't transfer well.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on August 18, 2009, 06:01:05 PM
I have 5 PS3 games, no PS3. I have been waiting for a price drop since the beginning of the universe.
Now all they have to do is announce a "price drop" which equates to the UK being ripped off as usual and i will return to regularly scheduled slagging within a week.
If you didn't catch the UK price, it's £249.99.
Edit: Here is the price of the PS3 in all regions.
No EA games, but I do have some Capcom games (RE5, SF4) and I've heard they don't transfer well.
No, they transfer fine. All the trophies are stored server side via PSN. You might as well transfer your saves and redownload all your PSN games.
There are issues with the trophies. The HDD that I used to backup my data actually belonged to my best friend's father, who insisted on holding onto it while my PS3 was away for repair. Before I sent the system in, though, I downloaded the first episode of the Penny Arcade Adventures thinking that I'd get some trophies and then just synch up my data with PSN so I'd get that data back. No, when I restored my data later and my data synched-up with PSN, I lost my trophy data for Penny Arcade because it wasn't on my HDD when I did the backup so somehow my HDD over-rided PSN. The next time I played Prince of Persia my trophies went all loopy as well, though that eventually sorted itself out.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Adrock on August 18, 2009, 06:24:34 PM
It would cost me roughly $120 to sell my 160GB PS3 and get a Slim. The only benefit for me is that it consumes less power which will help my electric bill. How long will it take to make up that $120? I'm considering it especially since I'm a space whore and the PS3 heats up pretty quick.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Ghisy on August 18, 2009, 06:42:26 PM
No EA games, but I do have some Capcom games (RE5, SF4) and I've heard they don't transfer well.
No, they transfer fine. All the trophies are stored server side via PSN. You might as well transfer your saves and redownload all your PSN games.
How the heck can you transfer those protected save files? I'm interested!
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: mac<censored> on August 18, 2009, 07:16:12 PM
hmm, just saw the pics; still kinda bloated and ugly looking also has that crappy sony controller argh what to do, what to do...
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Mop it up on August 18, 2009, 08:43:17 PM
I wouldn't buy it even if it were $100.
And I think it's ridiculous to suggest that Sony "grew" gaming more than Nintendo did. Sony would have never even entered the gaming industry if it weren't for Nintendo. They created a partnership to develop a CD-system add-on for the Super Nintendo, but Nintendo backed out of the deal when Sega's CD add-on failed. Sony took the tech and released it stand-alone as the PlayStation. A couple years later they ripped the analogue stick and rumble pack from Nintendo's 64-bit system and that's when the system sales started to pick up.
Sony's secret to success? Steal ideas from the real pioneers.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 18, 2009, 09:02:40 PM
Exactly. Nintendo proved they are the innovators and others copy at this years E3 when both Sony and Microsoft basically admitted Nintendo was right by announcing their own motion controllers. Nintendo also basically revived the video game industry in North America (and to a less extent in Europe and Australia since some of the computer game systems continued surviving their, but the consoles had collapsed).
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: that Baby guy on August 18, 2009, 09:03:03 PM
I'd buy it eventually if it had the full BC. PS2's are constantly breaking, my roommate and I each have one, and neither is reliable. He's decided he's going to go on eBay or something and get a BC PS3 for FFXIII, since he doesn't want his PS2 to just quit on him. I don't blame the guy, but I look at the PS3's big platform sellers, and I really don't care much about them. The closest thing that could draw me is Little Big Planet, and every video I see of that, the actual platforming seems to be dull and flat. Other PS3 games haven't wowed me very much, either, though I'd have to look at a list to see if that's how I feel.
Still, I'd rather own a 360 than a PS3, looking at the games catalog. However, their hardware is still unreliable, as far as I can tell, and I don't want to deal with that.
Instead, the solution is the Wii, along with the legacy of the GameCube, N64, SNES, and NES, some DS and GBA games, and every once in a while, a PS/PS2 game. It's more than enough, and I can hold out for a price drop, reliable hardware, BC, and things like that with these.
Although part of me does agree with Mop_it_up. Sony, specifically is very good at ripping off an idea, executing it worse, then marketing it better, to look like they're the ones who did it best, first.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: broodwars on August 18, 2009, 09:17:16 PM
Exactly. Nintendo proved they are the innovators and others copy at this years E3 when both Sony and Microsoft basically admitted Nintendo was right by announcing their own motion controllers. Nintendo also basically revived the video game industry in North America (and to a less extent in Europe and Australia since some of the computer game systems continued surviving their, but the consoles had collapsed).
Nintendo proved that they were the innovators this generation, no doubt about that. But some of you guys have a real short memory regarding the PS1/PS2 era. Sony's the company that brought gaming into the mainstream with the PS1, expanding the market beyond people like us to people who (at that time) normally wouldn't play games. Sure, they didn't expand it to the limits that Nintendo has now, but there's a good reason Sony became the console that "everyone" owned and Nintendo became the manufacturer of consoles for "kids" with the N64 and GameCube. Sony also lifted the heavy veil of censorship that Nintendo legendarily imposed on the NES/SNES. Was that all because of the addition of disc-based media with the advent of FMV and larger-caliber games that Sony used to market the hell out of their games? Yes, but I could say something similar about Nintendo this generation: there's been little actually inventive about anything they've put on the Wii this generation, just that it uses a new interface that occasionally enhances the game experience (and in other case, like Mario Galaxy, barely impacts it at all). In fact, the most inventive game on the Wii this generation wasn't even made by Nintendo: Zack & Wiki.
I'm not taking anything away from what Nintendo did with marketing the Wii, just reminding you all that you aren't giving Sony any credit for what they did with the PS1/PS2.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Mop it up on August 18, 2009, 09:26:54 PM
Sony didn't do anything with the PS1 and PS2. All they did was not mess up. They just kind of fell into the industry and the top spot inexplicably came with it. Nintendo shot themselves in the foot by sticking with cartridges and that caused the third-parties to jump ship. All of the high-profile games on the PlayStation would have been released on the Nintendo 64 had it used CDs.
A lot of gaming reaching the main stream was because of the move to 3D and more complex games. It would have happened regardless of which company released what system.
Nintendo lifted their censorship because of the ESRB, not because of Sony. Need I remind you that games like Mortal Kombat II and Doom were released on the SNES uncensored?
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: broodwars on August 18, 2009, 09:30:52 PM
Nintendo lifted their censorship because of the ESRB, not because of Sony. Need I remind you that games like Mortal Kombat II and Doom were released on the SNES uncensored?
Need I remind you that games like Final Fantasy IV, Final Fantasy VI, and even (in a few small moments) Chrono Trigger were released on the SNES censored?
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: that Baby guy on August 18, 2009, 09:32:38 PM
broodwars, do you know who decided to do the censorship on those games? Didn't the censorship carry over into PS re-releases of those games?
The only reason Nintendo picked up the image that it was for younger crowds wasn't because of Sony, anyways. That was the lasting effect of Sega's marketing campaign, which just stuck, thanks to the first Mortal Kombat, even though, as Mop_it_up said, that was rectified with the sequel. Sony intercepted people who wanted the next Sega by offering a lower priced option, and went from there.
Cartridges, we all know, are still better than discs, anyways, except when it comes to save file management.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Mop it up on August 18, 2009, 09:34:15 PM
Two of those games were released before the ESRB was formed. Also were they censored in America or everywhere? And what was cut?
The fact of the matter is, when the ESRB became firmly in place, Nintendo dropped almost all of their censorship policies.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: that Baby guy on August 18, 2009, 09:36:27 PM
Also... I don't know of CT being censored, anyways. It just had a translation that could have been better, with Woosely carrying over the same methods he used back on the Final Fantasies.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: broodwars on August 18, 2009, 09:40:46 PM
broodwars, do you know who decided to do the censorship on those games? Didn't the censorship carry over into PS re-releases of those games?
The only reason Nintendo picked up the image that it was for younger crowds wasn't because of Sony, anyways. That was the lasting effect of Sega's marketing campaign, which just stuck, thanks to the first Mortal Kombat, even though, as Mop_it_up said, that was rectified with the sequel. Sony intercepted people who wanted the next Sega by offering a lower priced option, and went from there.
Cartridges, we all know, are still better than discs, anyways, except when it comes to save file management.
Well, things like the spell names in Final Fantasy were corrected for the PS-era of games, though they wouldn't get the naming convention we know now till FF8 implemented the "-a, -ara, -aga, -aja" system. I never played the PS re-releases of FFIV and FFVI, so I wouldn't know if Square just chose to directly port the old code or not.
As for the whole "catridges vs. discs" thing, I'm kind of inbetween on the whole issue. On the one hand, it is nice to just throw a cart in and have everything you need right there. No memory cards, etc. And the short loading times of the cart era and even the well-coded GCN games were certainly much appreciated. On the other hand, you got really good-quality sound on the PS1 and really outstanding sound on the PS2. Being able to use multiple discs also allowed FMV, something that in general I certainly enjoyed (though I lean towards using the in-game engine when possible) but also allowed for better execution of crucial story elements. The 3D graphics were ugly on both the PS1 and N64, though they certainly looked worse on the PS1 with its horrid textures.
Besides, these days we're all just saving our data to hard drives or flash drives anyway and the loading times have improved, so it sort of feels like the cartridge days again now anyway.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Mop it up on August 18, 2009, 09:43:34 PM
Cartridges have better durability and so does the system which plays them. I don't recall ever hearing about the Nintendo 64 having any kind of failure rate...
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: broodwars on August 18, 2009, 09:45:02 PM
Two of those games were released before the ESRB was formed. Also were they censored in America or everywhere? And what was cut?
The fact of the matter is, when the ESRB became firmly in place, Nintendo dropped almost all of their censorship policies.
It was minor stuff in FFVI and Chrono Trigger, things like spell names ("Holy" became "White" and the whole thing in CT with "Toma's Soda" and the characters getting "full" on "stew" instead of getting drunk on sake) and whatnot. It was a little more serious in FFIV, where (on top of the usual spell stuff) we had things like a guilloitine in a critical cutscene turned into a giant stone ball or something. It's been so long since I played the SNES Final Fantasies that my memory's a bit fuzzy. I just remember in general you couldn't have references to Christianity, so that's how we had things like crosses changed to hearts and holy->white.
Speaking of fuzzy, when did the ESRB get established? I could have sworn FFVI and CT came out after the ESRB's establishment, since those two games released fairly close to one another.
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Cartridges have better durability and so does the system which plays them. I don't recall ever hearing about the Nintendo 64 having any kind of failure rate...
No disagreeing with that. You had to actively try to break an N64 and even a GameCube, whereas the PS1/PS2 were notorious for really shoddy construction.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: kraken613 on August 18, 2009, 09:49:15 PM
And I think it's ridiculous to suggest that Sony "grew" gaming more than Nintendo did. Sony would have never even entered the gaming industry if it weren't for Nintendo. They created a partnership to develop a CD-system add-on for the Super Nintendo, but Nintendo backed out of the deal when Sega's CD add-on failed. Sony took the tech and released it stand-alone as the PlayStation. A couple years later they ripped the analogue stick and rumble pack from Nintendo's 64-bit system and that's when the system sales started to pick up.
Sony's secret to success? Steal ideas from the real pioneers.
There where bigger innovators than Microsoft.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Mop it up on August 18, 2009, 09:52:07 PM
The ESRB was formed in 1994. The more I think about it, Final Fantasy VI/III might have an ESRB rating, because I often forget how much longer it took to reach North America.
If there are things which were censored from the Japanese version then it likely wasn't Nintendo who demanded they be censored. It was probably done because otherwise it would have received a "T" rating from the ESRB which would limit the appeal. An example of this is Earthbound, which has a scene where Ness (the main character) is naked in the Japanese version but has pajamas in the North American version.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: RABicle on August 18, 2009, 09:58:13 PM
Hold up guys I just need to take a **** in the dunny. You can continue when I get back.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: that Baby guy on August 18, 2009, 09:59:17 PM
That was a decision by Squaresoft's translator, Ted Woosely. The whole spell names translation was done because he figured he'd simplify spell names for space reasons. Holy became "Pearl" because there were white, pearlish objects, and it was the only holy-based attack in the game. Don't blame Nintendo just because you don't know why things were named like they were. Those were limitations of Square's localization process, and they carried over into Final Fantasy VII, in the most part.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: broodwars on August 18, 2009, 10:02:04 PM
That was a decision by Squaresoft's translator, Ted Woosely. The whole spell names translation was done because he figured he'd simplify spell names for space reasons. Holy became "Pearl" because there were white, pearlish objects, and it was the only holy-based attack in the game. Don't blame Nintendo just because you don't know why things were named like they were. Those were limitations of Square's localization process, and they carried over into Final Fantasy VII, in the most part.
Right, I couldn't remember if Holy became "white" or "Pearl". Thanks for that. Just to point something out, though: "Holy" = 4 characters. "Pearl" = 5 characters. How exactly does changing the spell name from "Holy" to "Pearl" "simply spell names for space reasons"?
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: RABicle on August 18, 2009, 10:02:43 PM
HEH HEY STEADY ON GUYS I WAS ON THE TOILET!
So yeah Nintendo were holding the industry back by ruining boring games? What is going on again?
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: kraken613 on August 18, 2009, 10:03:28 PM
That was a decision by Squaresoft's translator, Ted Woosely. The whole spell names translation was done because he figured he'd simplify spell names for space reasons. Holy became "Pearl" because there were white, pearlish objects, and it was the only holy-based attack in the game. Don't blame Nintendo just because you don't know why things were named like they were. Those were limitations of Square's localization process, and they carried over into Final Fantasy VII, in the most part.
Right, I couldn't remember if Holy became "white" or "Pearl". Thanks for that. Just to point something out, though: "Holy" = 4 characters. "Pearl" = 5 characters. How exactly does changing the spell name from "Holy" to "Pearl" "simply spell names for space reasons"?
He changed it because he thought it was a better name for the attack. It probably didn't make sense to him how something "Holy" could deal damage. The entire translation was up to him to do in 30 days, and he didn't consistently make the best decisions, he'll admit that.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: broodwars on August 18, 2009, 10:08:10 PM
That was a decision by Squaresoft's translator, Ted Woosely. The whole spell names translation was done because he figured he'd simplify spell names for space reasons. Holy became "Pearl" because there were white, pearlish objects, and it was the only holy-based attack in the game. Don't blame Nintendo just because you don't know why things were named like they were. Those were limitations of Square's localization process, and they carried over into Final Fantasy VII, in the most part.
Right, I couldn't remember if Holy became "white" or "Pearl". Thanks for that. Just to point something out, though: "Holy" = 4 characters. "Pearl" = 5 characters. How exactly does changing the spell name from "Holy" to "Pearl" "simply spell names for space reasons"?
He changed it because he thought it was a better name for the attack. It probably didn't make sense to him how something "Holy" could deal damage. The entire translation was up to him to do in 30 days, and he didn't consistently make the best decisions, he'll admit that.
Like having characters get "full" on "soup", acting drunk and passing out instead of getting "drunk" on prehistoric liquor? Yeah, that was priceless. ;)
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: that Baby guy on August 18, 2009, 10:10:31 PM
Yup, all that because of ESRB ratings. Have you read what Mop_it_up said? Alcohol ratings gave you a T, which meant less people would play the game.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: kraken613 on August 18, 2009, 10:16:50 PM
Dude, seriously...if he hasn't been otherwise convinced by the lists several of us put up earlier in the thread stating worthwhile PS3 games, nothing anyone says will. It's not worth getting worked up over.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Deguello on August 19, 2009, 12:07:53 AM
Lists never convince anybody.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 19, 2009, 12:17:30 AM
Uncharted 2 is so realistic with its brick walls that get destroyed by helicopters and its bulletproof wooden tables. "Don't hide behind that cement wall, it's no use - here take cover from this office furniture instead!"
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 19, 2009, 12:28:51 AM
Dude, seriously...if he hasn't been otherwise convinced by the lists several of us put up earlier in the thread stating worthwhile PS3 games, nothing anyone says will. It's not worth getting worked up over.
It's Pro... our most sarcastic member. Of course he thinks that's all...
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Djunknown on August 19, 2009, 01:57:44 AM
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And I think it's ridiculous to suggest that Sony "grew" gaming more than Nintendo did. Sony would have never even entered the gaming industry if it weren't for Nintendo. They created a partnership to develop a CD-system add-on for the Super Nintendo, but Nintendo backed out of the deal when Sega's CD add-on failed.
A history (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Playstation) lesson.
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The SNES-CD was to be announced at the June 1991 Consumer Electronics Show (CES). However, when Hiroshi Yamauchi read the original 1988 contract between Sony and Nintendo, he realized that the earlier agreement essentially handed Sony complete control over any and all titles written on the SNES CD-ROM format. Yamauchi decided that the contract was totally unacceptable and he secretly canceled all plans for the joint Nintendo-Sony SNES CD attachment. Instead of announcing a partnership between Sony and Nintendo, at 9 a.m. the day of the CES, Nintendo chairman Howard Lincoln stepped onto the stage and revealed that Nintendo was now allied with Philips, and Nintendo was planning on abandoning all the previous work Nintendo and Sony had accomplished. Lincoln and Minoru Arakawa had, unbeknownst to Sony, flown to Philips headquarters in Europe and formed an alliance of a decidedly different nature—one that would give Nintendo total control over its licenses on Philips machines.
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By the end of 1992, Sony and Nintendo reached a deal whereby the "Sony Play Station" would still have a port for SNES games, but Nintendo would own the rights and receive the bulk of the profits from the games, and the SNES would continue to use the Sony-designed audio chip.
Its a story of greed vs greed. In this case, I think Sony won that round. Why?
Nintendo backed this. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-i) And they allowed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotel_Mario) these abominations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-i_games_from_The_Legend_of_Zelda_series) to exist, no matter how much Bill (RIP) denied it.
On Final Fantasy VI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_VI#Localization):
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In a January 1995 interview with Super Play magazine, translator Ted Woolsey explained that "there's a certain level of playfulness and ... sexuality in Japanese games that just doesn't exist here [in the USA], basically because of Nintendo of America's rules and guidelines".[41] Consequently, objectionable graphics (e.g. nudity) were censored and building signs in towns were changed, as well as religious allusions (e.g. the spell Holy was renamed Pearl).
Boldface mine.
On Chrono Trigger: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrono_Trigger#Development_history)
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Lacking the help of a modern translation team, he memorized scenarios and looked at drafts of commercial player's guides to put dialogue in context.[39] Woolsey later reflected that he would have preferred two-and-a-half months, and blames his rushed schedule on the prevailing attitude in Japan that games were children's toys rather than serious works.[39] Some of his work was cut due to space constraints, though he still considered Trigger "one of the most satisfying games I ever worked on or played."[40][39] Nintendo of America censored certain dialogue, including references to breastfeeding, consumption of alcohol, and religion.[38] Square shipped Trigger with two world maps, and Japanese buyers who preordered received holographic foil cards.
Bold face mine.
About the ESRB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESRB#Background_and_history)
On topic, PS3Slim for $299? I'll put it on the Christmas list...
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Mop it up on August 19, 2009, 02:07:55 AM
I always forget the order of events of those SNES CD-based add-ons. I didn't think what I said was exactly right but I didn't feel like looking it up.
It doesn't matter though because my points still stand. Sony wouldn't have entered the gaming industry if it weren't for Nintendo, and Nintendo's censorship policies were eventually dropped because of the ESRB.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: that Baby guy on August 19, 2009, 02:19:11 AM
Not to mention, DJunknown, that same censorship that's claimed to have been enforced by Nintendo remained in the PS re-release of the games, despite a new translation for FFIV in that re-release series, as well as unlockables and bonuses.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: dack25 on August 19, 2009, 03:31:25 AM
The Wii is not cutting it for me, plain and simple. There are games on the horizon I'm looking forward to but they're too infrequent. The third party support is crap and is not going to change. Nintendo's first party releases are now split between the new market and the old so from my perspective their output is decreased. And realistically I just don't seem to be a priority to them. They don't care if I'm satisfied or not. They're making money hand over fist so they're not going to change anything. I feel like they're taking my support for granted. But I'll still have my Wii and will buy the titles that do interest me. Next gen is up in the air though. Right now I'd say they've lost me for next gen if they maintain the status quo.
And that is the reason why I just have never gotten behind the Wii. I don't even feel compelled to buy games for it. It seems to have the same problems as the GCN (no third party support and long game droughts) but there is also something about it that seems sloppy from Nintendo's standpoint. Maybe it's just how there is a constant lack of quality titles or maybe because I stuck with them during the Cube days (some very dark gaming days) and nothing about GCN quality games being repackaged with new controls excites me, I don't know it's something that's bothered me all generation.
As far as the PS3 Slim, I'm not a fan of the new design but it saves space so it is effective. Too bad there's just not much on the PS3 that interests me aside from MGS4 and having a Blu-Ray player. There's just not enough games I like to justify buying one when I own a 360. I think someone mentioned the price earlier and I think that killed them because if you look at it from a features and durability standpoint it is better than the 360 but the price and initial inferior lineup gave the 360 the edge (and was part of my reason for buying one).
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Ian Sane on August 19, 2009, 12:19:00 PM
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I wouldn't buy it even if it were $100.
And I think it's ridiculous to suggest that Sony "grew" gaming more than Nintendo did. Sony would have never even entered the gaming industry if it weren't for Nintendo. They created a partnership to develop a CD-system add-on for the Super Nintendo, but Nintendo backed out of the deal when Sega's CD add-on failed. Sony took the tech and released it stand-alone as the PlayStation. A couple years later they ripped the analogue stick and rumble pack from Nintendo's 64-bit system and that's when the system sales started to pick up.
Sony's secret to success? Steal ideas from the real pioneers.
I don't see why any of this should affect one's decision to buy a PS3. So I should only support those that do things first? Is competency not worth anything?
Here is the long and short of it. I want a PS3 because the amount of games for it I'm interested in exceeds the amount of Wii games I even own. I want another console because the Wii library SUCKS with the odd amazing game among piles of total horseshit trash. The PS3 may not be doing anything new but it's at least doing something reasonably WELL. It has good third party support and is clearly aimed at gamers.
The Wii is very innovative but innovation does not make something great. I find the remote to be a irresponsive gimmick controller that is a HUGE chore to use. Yes it is very creative but with a controller I want something that is practical and responsive and the remote utterly fails at that. And it hasn't resulted in a big revolution in game design. If anything it's revolutionary in a business sense in that as a marketing tool it has attracted a whole new audience for Nintendo that has turned the company from a last-place afterthought to the market leader. But from a videogame perspective it's done little. The best Wii game is Super Mario Galaxy and that plays like a Cube game with the odd remote-driven mini-game thrown in. Nintendo seems content to use the remote for tech demos aimed at non-gamers and re-releasing Cube games. Even if the remote can revolutionize games Nintendo is making no effort in using it as such.
What matters is the best games. In the past Nintendo used their innovative ideas to make the best games. Now they don't so the competition has better games by just merely doing things competently. Innovation does not instantly make you the best. Using innovation in a way that gives your product a significant improvement over everyone else's makes you the best.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 19, 2009, 01:06:59 PM
You're doing a terrible job of selling it and your method of promotion is annoying.
*WHY* should people take interest in it? You detail nothing, you don't provide selling points, there's no hint of an explanation as to why a potential customer would value it and make it worthy of the steep price of entry (considering how you've been promoting this "bundle" of sorts). At least be helpful to the sore fence-sitters in this thread.
I did watch the trailer you linked, and I thought "is this coming to DVD soon?" I chuckled that Super Mario 64 cutscenes had come a long way, but the trailer failed to show me a game.
Strip away the polygons and the textures from the product and try to explain to us "what on earth makes this game's interactivity appealing?"
People will talk about FPS games and discuss level design and multiplayer interactions and whatnot; RPGs bring up spell systems, grinding, level-up pacing, etc...
Don't just come in here go "CUTSCENE! *teehee*!"
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 19, 2009, 01:43:03 PM
Bu..bu..bu.. but Toy Story graphics.... FFXX cutscene.... non-playable 1080p robot demo
but I don have a serious question. Can you still swap HDD in the PS3slim?
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: kraken613 on August 19, 2009, 01:46:58 PM
Yes you can still, if you look at the front on the bottom right there is a slot right there.
That trailer was in game moments just at a different camera angle.
The game looks that good in game. The E3 demo. If all flows together. http://ps3.ign.com/dor/objects/14225971/uncharted-2/videos/e3live_uncharted2_p1.html
I guess you have skipped the multiple list of games.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: NWR_Lindy on August 19, 2009, 02:02:07 PM
Who here has actually played through Uncharted (not just the demo)? My guess is hardly anybody, yet people seem to have a pretty concrete opinion about it (based on heresay). People jumped on me for criticising Galaxy without playing it through, so Uncharted shouldn't be any different.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: kraken613 on August 19, 2009, 02:04:48 PM
I have played the first and its amazing!
Heres the full gameplay demo from E3. http://ps3.ign.com/dor/objects/14225971/uncharted-2/videos/uncharted2_gmp_demo_60209.html
And the full first trailer. There are not many games that have this sense of story telling in them and have a seamless like a movie feel. http://ps3.ign.com/dor/objects/14225971/uncharted-2/videos/uncharted2_trl_e3_060209.html
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 19, 2009, 02:13:49 PM
Who here has actually played through Uncharted (not just the demo)? My guess is hardly anybody, yet people seem to have a pretty concrete opinion about it (based on heresay). People jumped on me for criticising Galaxy without playing it through, so Uncharted shouldn't be any different.
I know friends who have played the game and beaten it. While they loved it they thought the game was too short.
As for the topic, I am VERY happy for this. I've been wanting a PS3 for a while now, but still hated the bulky design and price. Now that its slimmer and cheaper its a must for me.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: NWR_Neal on August 19, 2009, 02:17:06 PM
I'm not decrying Uncharted (if/when I get a PS3, it'll probably be one of the first games I get), but what's so damn great about having a game that feels like a movie? If I want to watch a movie, I'll watch a movie. If I want to play a game, I'll play a game.
Chocolate and peanut butter go together sometimes, but sometimes I just want some chocolate without any peanut butter.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: kraken613 on August 19, 2009, 02:30:28 PM
I know friends who have played the game and beaten it. While they loved it they thought the game was too short.
As for the topic, I am VERY happy for this. I've been wanting a PS3 for a while now, but still hated the bulky design and price. Now that its slimmer and cheaper its a must for me.
It was a bit short. Uncharted 2 will be longer though Naughty Dog says. It should be with 90 minutes of cut scenes.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: NWR_Lindy on August 19, 2009, 02:42:35 PM
I'm not decrying Uncharted (if/when I get a PS3, it'll probably be one of the first games I get), but what's so damn great about having a game that feels like a movie? If I want to watch a movie, I'll watch a movie. If I want to play a game, I'll play a game.
It doesn't "feel like a movie". For crying out loud, when did every PS3 game become Metal Gear Solid 4? What makes Uncharted remarkable is how deftly the cut-scenes are interwoven into the gameplay to create one seamless experience. But then again, people that have actually played the game already know that.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: NWR_Neal on August 19, 2009, 03:02:05 PM
I'm not decrying Uncharted (if/when I get a PS3, it'll probably be one of the first games I get), but what's so damn great about having a game that feels like a movie? If I want to watch a movie, I'll watch a movie. If I want to play a game, I'll play a game.
It doesn't "feel like a movie". For crying out loud, when did every PS3 game become Metal Gear Solid 4? What makes Uncharted remarkable is how deftly the cut-scenes are interwoven into the gameplay to create one seamless experience. But then again, people that have actually played the game already know that.
See, when you say it like that, it makes me really interested in the game.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Ian Sane on August 19, 2009, 03:13:29 PM
So much of the thrill of a videogame is the experience of it. Because of the interaction it connects with you in a way a movie can't. It's all about YOU. YOU'RE winning the Superbowl. YOU'RE the knight slaying the dragon. YOU'RE the spy saving the hostages. YOU'RE Earth's last hope against the alien invaders. Presentation does a lot towards providing the fantasy. Music, graphics, sound effects and, yes, cutscenes can help create the proper atmosphere. Now you still need good gameplay and responsive controls and good level design and balanced difficulty. And sometimes those presentation elements are done in a way that hurts the experience. But it's all part of it. When used well a cutscene can help you get into the game better and improve the experience.
Since Nintendo went all Gamecube 1.5 they've de-emphasized the presentation element of videogames so now cutscenes are bad and if a game has good graphics it must suck. That's idiotic. Nintendo just wanted to CHEAP out on the hardware to save a few bucks. Many of Nintendo's classic games (actually practically ALL of them prior to the Wii) were on the cutting edge for presentation. The N64 didn't have FMV but even then Nintendo was still using cutscenes and pushing the best graphics you could at the time and pushed the hardware to do stuff people didn't expect like full voice acting in Star Fox 64. No one says that Ocarina of Time is like watching a movie.
I don't know how it all works with Uncharted since I hadn't played it yet. But it seems like a lot of the flack the HD consoles get is entirely because they do something Nintendo decided not to invest in so as to make a nice profit on the hardware and they're deprograming their fans to no longer like something Nintendo themselves used to see as important.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: NWR_Neal on August 19, 2009, 03:40:10 PM
I know friends who have played the game and beaten it. While they loved it they thought the game was too short.
As for the topic, I am VERY happy for this. I've been wanting a PS3 for a while now, but still hated the bulky design and price. Now that its slimmer and cheaper its a must for me.
It was a bit short. Uncharted 2 will be longer though Naughty Dog says. It should be with 90 minutes of cut scenes.
The million dollar question with that is this: Would/did you feel cheaped out paying $60 for Uncharted? Did the game end abruptly? Did it not feel complete?
If it felt complete, then who cares if its short.
My viewpoint on game length has changed dramatically since the beginning of my NWR reviewing career (only a year or so, but still). I felt cheaped out by MadWorld's length, but felt like games like Overlord: Dark Legend and Mushroom Men were full, complete games.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Plugabugz on August 19, 2009, 03:44:29 PM
I have 5 PS3 games, no PS3. I have been waiting for a price drop since the beginning of the universe.
Now all they have to do is announce a "price drop" which equates to the UK being ripped off as usual and i will return to regularly scheduled slagging within a week.
If you didn't catch the UK price, it's £249.99.
Edit: Here is the price of the PS3 in all regions.
The million dollar question with that is this: Would/did you feel cheaped out paying $60 for Uncharted? Did the game end abruptly? Did it not feel complete?
It felt very complete and I didn't feel cheaped at all.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: NWR_Neal on August 19, 2009, 04:07:51 PM
Awesome. I'm excited to pick up the first game when I buy a PS3 this fall.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: kraken613 on August 19, 2009, 04:10:15 PM
Also thanks Lindy for putting my thoughts into something that made sense!
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: broodwars on August 19, 2009, 04:37:35 PM
Who here has actually played through Uncharted (not just the demo)? My guess is hardly anybody, yet people seem to have a pretty concrete opinion about it (based on heresay). People jumped on me for criticising Galaxy without playing it through, so Uncharted shouldn't be any different.
Every single game I listed way back at the beginning of the topic is a game that I have owned and beaten, including Uncharted. The length of the game didn't bother me, except that I think Naughty Dog made the game artificially long by forcing you to stop every 3 steps to jump behind cover and take out a seemingly-endless supply of goons. The constant dying and tedium that resulted from this very nearly ruined the game for me, except that I loved the cutscenes; the humor; and the very Indiana Jones-esque story.
Oh, and I'd like to strangle whoever at Naughty Dog designed the last stage with all those Quick-Time Events and the boss with the sniper rifle + half a dozen goons with shotguns. Plus, remember James Jones: Box Hunter? Yeah, what a lame way to design a final stage.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Caliban on August 19, 2009, 05:15:13 PM
I would buy the PS3 Slim if I didn't already have a PS3.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 19, 2009, 05:35:05 PM
I know friends who have played the game and beaten it. While they loved it they thought the game was too short.
As for the topic, I am VERY happy for this. I've been wanting a PS3 for a while now, but still hated the bulky design and price. Now that its slimmer and cheaper its a must for me.
It was a bit short. Uncharted 2 will be longer though Naughty Dog says. It should be with 90 minutes of cut scenes.
The million dollar question with that is this: Would/did you feel cheaped out paying $60 for Uncharted? Did the game end abruptly? Did it not feel complete?
If it felt complete, then who cares if its short.
My viewpoint on game length has changed dramatically since the beginning of my NWR reviewing career (only a year or so, but still). I felt cheaped out by MadWorld's length, but felt like games like Overlord: Dark Legend and Mushroom Men were full, complete games.
Well, my friend LOVED the game to death, but really hated the fact that he paid 60 bucks for a game that was very short. So he did feel a bit cheapened out by it. And since the game doesn't have multiplayer that I know of the experience is limited.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Halbred on August 19, 2009, 06:00:20 PM
Video games (some video games) are becoming better at integrating story sequences into the gameplay. Examples from my own library:
1) Bioshock--nobody does it better. 2) Chronicles of Riddick--very few actual cutscenes. Because the game is in first person, you very often are a part of them. 3) Dead Space--you can still walk around during "cutscenes."
I'm too lazy to think of more. MGS4 feels like a movie because the player has no control during the many, many cutscenes. The narrative structure takes precedence over the player and the playing. That's not how it should be. The longest "cutscene" in Bioshock is also the most revealing. By taking control away from the player Bioshock actually makes a mind-blowing point. Otherwise, the story is told more or less at the player's leisure.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Ian Sane on August 19, 2009, 06:50:51 PM
I haven't played MGS4 yet for obvious reasons so I can't comment on it and don't want to hear any spoilers. But I enjoyed the cutscenes in MGS1&3, even if they were long. I found the cutscenes in MGS2 tiresome and a pain in the ass. The difference? MGS2's story is excruciatingly stupid, boring and confusing. It was the story equivalent of writing down random big words and calling it poetry. I didn't want the control taken from me because the parts I played were the only parts that were enjoyable. But with MGS3 I knew the cutscenes would be entertaining and interesting so they were just part of the game. The first and third game benefit from a straightforward action movie plot.
I think that makes a world of difference. Videogame stories usually are really bad. You often get either a simple "defeat the bad guy" one that doesn't try that hard but is just to tie the game together or a failed attempt at an ambitious story that comes across like wankery tripe written by a 13 year old goth. If you get the latter it's death.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Mop it up on August 19, 2009, 07:24:38 PM
And I think it's ridiculous to suggest that Sony "grew" gaming more than Nintendo did. Sony would have never even entered the gaming industry if it weren't for Nintendo. They created a partnership to develop a CD-system add-on for the Super Nintendo, but Nintendo backed out of the deal when Sega's CD add-on failed. Sony took the tech and released it stand-alone as the PlayStation. A couple years later they ripped the analogue stick and rumble pack from Nintendo's 64-bit system and that's when the system sales started to pick up.
Sony's secret to success? Steal ideas from the real pioneers.
I don't see why any of this should affect one's decision to buy a PS3. So I should only support those that do things first? Is competency not worth anything?
I was just responding to someone's comment about how Sony deserved credit for advancing gaming. If anything, the only thing I think they deserve credit for is making things worse.
The reason I wouldn't get a PS3 at any price is that there isn't a single exclusive game which interests me. And Blu-ray can suck an egg.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: mac<censored> on August 19, 2009, 07:45:28 PM
Videogame stories usually are really bad .... or a failed attempt at an ambitious story that comes across like wankery tripe written by a 13 year old goth.
Ah -- Square!
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Deguello on August 19, 2009, 08:31:42 PM
I think I'll respond to Ian's cinematic Strawman post by saying that just because Pro doesn't like cutscenes, that doesn't mean he's been brainwashed by Nintendo, and by proxy that does not mean Nintendo has ever deemphasized cutscenes. (If they did, they certainly had a funny way of showing it by having Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, Zelda: TP, Wario Land, and several of their DS games all have numerous cutscenes.) Just because they aren't 30 minutes long doesn't mean they aren't "serious" cutscenes. Whatever that means.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Djunknown on August 19, 2009, 09:00:36 PM
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I always forget the order of events of those SNES CD-based add-ons. I didn't think what I said was exactly right but I didn't feel like looking it up.
If you're going to troll threads with half baked allegations, some fact checking is in order. Otherwise, people will call you out on it. :P
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Nintendo's censorship policies were eventually dropped because of the ESRB.
Old habits die hard. (http://ign64.ign.com/articles/060/060333p1.html) :-* Also, this (http://www.gamesradar.com/wii/f/nintendo-banned-in-the-usa/a-20090722105344976067/g-2007040412523043016/p-2) thing happened. (http://www.gamesradar.com/wii/f/nintendo-banned-in-the-usa/a-20090722105344976067/g-2007040412523043016/p-3)
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Following Ganondorf’s de-bloodening, Nintendo also opted to take out a couple of references that could’ve potentially angered the forever angry Islamic community. In addition to removing a song featuring a Muslim chant from the Fire Temple, Link’s Mirror shield was adorned with a crescent moon symbol synonymous with a Hyrulian desert tribe known as the Gerudo… and yeah, the Islamic faith. Whoopsy! Majora’s Mask introduced a new Gerudo symbol, and the Mirror Shield would reflect that (HAR HAR) in Ocarina’s later iterations.
Stop Trollin'.... from the people who brought you Stop Snitchin' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Snitchin%27) 8)
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Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Deguello on August 19, 2009, 09:07:47 PM
If it's Nintendo's game it isn't censorship. They have control of their work, period. For 3rd party games, yeah maybe, but it's been like a million years since they did it last, mainly due to the ESRBs induction.
This horse was dead in 1996. You'd think after 13 years people would get tired of beating it.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Mop it up on August 19, 2009, 10:03:45 PM
If you're going to troll threads with half baked allegations, some fact checking is in order. Otherwise, people will call you out on it. :P
I'm not trolling. My point stands regardless of the timeline, Sony wouldn't be as successful or have even entered the gaming industry if it weren't for Nintendo.
Deguello addressed your second point.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: that Baby guy on August 19, 2009, 10:27:39 PM
I haven't played MGS4 yet for obvious reasons so I can't comment on it and don't want to hear any spoilers. But I enjoyed the cutscenes in MGS1&3, even if they were long. I found the cutscenes in MGS2 tiresome and a pain in the ass. The difference? MGS2's story is excruciatingly stupid, boring and confusing. It was the story equivalent of writing down random big words and calling it poetry. I didn't want the control taken from me because the parts I played were the only parts that were enjoyable. But with MGS3 I knew the cutscenes would be entertaining and interesting so they were just part of the game. The first and third game benefit from a straightforward action movie plot.
I think that makes a world of difference. Videogame stories usually are really bad. You often get either a simple "defeat the bad guy" one that doesn't try that hard but is just to tie the game together or a failed attempt at an ambitious story that comes across like wankery tripe written by a 13 year old goth. If you get the latter it's death.
MGS2 cutscenes... I watched my roommate play the ending of MGS2, and it was painful. To tell the truth, I didn't watch much of anything before the last sets of cutscenes and the last two or three bosses, but it literally felt like whomever wrote the story thought they were good just because you had one unseen figure behind another unseen figure, and everyone thought they'd all profit in their own way by making the main-ish character do whatever it was he was doing that seemed to be for little reason except just for doing it. I was definitely unimpressed with the story, and honestly not too impressed with MGS3's story, either. It seemed dull, IMO, and mostly written to reference the first two games in boring, flat ways: X meets Y, X never spoke about meeting Y in the other two games, Y never mentioned it either, we just felt like it would be cool if that happened, so we did it despite having no reference point or no expansion of the games' overall plot.
Anyways, you can see that while I respect spy game gameplay, so much of MGS (At least the second and third games) was over the top and unrealistic, yet truthfully dull and uninspired that the only way I can see that the games became so big had to have been from gameplay alone, because that story sure didn't help.
Anyways, this is why Uncharted and Uncharted 2 don't look appealing to me: You've got a game that exists in a "realistic" world, people look like people, buildings are convincingly decorated like offices, everything looks real... Then, in the demo, a man gets shot several times by a helicopter. He hides behind a desk, completely, yet sticks out his gun and picks off villains, despite the character's inability to see anything in that direction, it's all the player. It ruins the illusion, and I struggle to suspend belief in such a realistic world, while some character does amazing things just because he's the main character. I don't particularly care about how seamless things appear to be, when you've got a character in a phenomenally realistic environment, he better obey the "laws" of life, of physics, and things like that. Otherwise, there's no point, and I just flat out lose interest.
Have you ever watched a game where you fight a boss, you shoot him, cut him, stab him in the heart, and after about 100 attacks, the boss fight is over, someone comes in, fires one shot, and the boss suddenly dies? That's what I'm talking about. I get disgusted at that type of thing, and the E3 video for Uncharted 2 was chock full of moments like that.
I'll have to look at that other list, but I've already stated that LBP just looks to have terrible gameplay, absolutely miserable control for a platformer. Who cares about customization when the core of the game itself has such ugly gameplay?
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: kraken613 on August 19, 2009, 10:46:33 PM
Who here has actually played through Uncharted (not just the demo)? My guess is hardly anybody, yet people seem to have a pretty concrete opinion about it (based on heresay). People jumped on me for criticising Galaxy without playing it through, so Uncharted shouldn't be any different.
I'm just going to quote our fearless leader.
And one question, have you even enjoyed an action movie in your life? Based on what you say I guess not....
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: that Baby guy on August 19, 2009, 11:13:07 PM
I haven't played it because all the "hype" around it hasn't convinced me it's worth the cash and the shelf space for it. Wouldn't you say in this day and age, with how many games there are out there, it's pretty useless to say "If you haven't played it, you shouldn't judge it?" There's just not enough time to sort through the garbage to find the good stuff, and watching that Uncharted demo, a demo nearly everyone seemed far and beyond excited about, made me think the game looked like trash, upon the criteria of which I use to judge games.
Actually, action movies don't use a realistic perspective, and often thrust themselves into a science fiction/fantasy situation, much unlike the demo of Uncharted 2, with reasons why people do what they do, and make it through what they've made it through. If I had to say, I'd rival the scene I saw with the latest Indiana Jones movie's scene where Shia Labeouf swung through the forest with monkeys. And yeah, that scene really killed any momentum the movie had going for it, too, despite what else was there.
...I mostly watch comedies or Sci-Fi (particularly futuristic) actions, things that don't relate to the main genre the PS3 appeals to, in many cases, because I don't like something that immerses you in realism, then does something completely unrealistic.
So yeah, I'm going to judge the game based on what I saw. I'd prefer not to pay $300 not to measure it, when I already know the most I'd play it is half an hour, then I'd put it down, and maybe my roommate would finish the rest. I find it completely idiotic to try to make a game look as real as possible, and ground it into reality, then do fantastical things like let the player shoot accurately without looking, or take fifty rounds from a helicopter and barely flinch. It makes me wonder why they'd care so much about the polygons and textures, and I lose all sense of immersion.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: D_Average on August 20, 2009, 01:01:47 AM
I'm not decrying Uncharted (if/when I get a PS3, it'll probably be one of the first games I get), but what's so damn great about having a game that feels like a movie? If I want to watch a movie, I'll watch a movie. If I want to play a game, I'll play a game.
It doesn't "feel like a movie". For crying out loud, when did every PS3 game become Metal Gear Solid 4? What makes Uncharted remarkable is how deftly the cut-scenes are interwoven into the gameplay to create one seamless experience. But then again, people that have actually played the game already know that.
I haven't played all of MGS4, but Uncharted is the only game I looked forward to the cut scenes in. Even my wife watched me play the entire game to see what would happen next (something she neither did before or since then). Basically, they created a game where the cut scenes felt natural for once. And from the looks of that demo from E3, the cut scenes/segways n Uncharted 2 may become even more fluid.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Djunknown on August 20, 2009, 05:10:52 AM
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I'm not trolling.
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I wouldn't buy it even if it were $100.
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If anything, the only thing I think they deserve credit for is making things worse.
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And Blu-ray can suck an egg.
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This horse was dead in 1996.
Rise from your gwaaave... (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/newsArt.cfm?artid=16287)
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: that Baby guy on August 20, 2009, 05:33:08 AM
Oh, oops, maybe you missed out on the rest of the story, here: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,377421,00.html
Nintendo doesn't publish "M" rated games. There was a chance the game's rating was going to change. Wii-ware is a service where Nintendo publishes game. The game wasn't censored, the original company changed the name, as well as a few graphics, themselves. Why? Because they wanted Nintendo to publish their game. Nintendo would have allowed the game on the Wii, just not published it themselves.
So, does that mean that Nintendo, as a publisher, has specific content guidelines? Yes, it does. Is that censorship? No, it isn't.
Aside from that, even though the developer states there were "angry parties," he doesn't state which side they were on, nor why the parties were angry, specifically. Through creative use of language and a clever PR stance, he could have very well been the "angry party," who was upset because Nintendo suggested a change in name in order to reduce controversy and increase sales, as well as potentially cause a ratings change.
Still not censorship, especially since the game could have appeared on the Wii as long as they managed a different publisher.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: NWR_Lindy on August 20, 2009, 09:57:21 AM
If people are sitting here thinking Uncharted or its sequel are ANYTHING like Metal Gear Solid 4 and its 15-minute cutscenes, they're dead wrong. The cut-scenes and engine are virtually indistinguishable. Check out the intro:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r9opp1MsNQ
The "acting" and script is top-notch. Anyways, the game is HIGHLY engrossing no matter what it may "look" like.
My only criticism of Uncharted is that the enemies are repetitive. You wind up shooting wave after wave of the same enemies over and over, but the plot, gorgeous environments, and tight climbing/platforming really make up for it. There was really only one area of the game that seriously dragged (in the castle during the middle of the game), but the rest was really fun. It's a really good mesh of third-person shooter and platformer, and the character are really fleshed-out well and actually have personalities.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Ian Sane on August 20, 2009, 12:14:24 PM
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I find it completely idiotic to try to make a game look as real as possible, and ground it into reality, then do fantastical things like let the player shoot accurately without looking, or take fifty rounds from a helicopter and barely flinch. It makes me wonder why they'd care so much about the polygons and textures, and I lose all sense of immersion.
This sort of thing just doesn't bug me because it's a videogame. Taking fifty rounds from a helicopter is no different then getting hit by fireballs in a fighting game without any physical effect aside from a health bar decreasing and then getting knocked out cold from a kick to the shins because that wimpy attack just happened to knock off the last bit of health. Or games where numerous bullets don't kill me but a guy punching me does, again because it was my last hit. Hey that guy looking for me gave up because I hid for ten seconds! Hey I just sliced the boss with my sword and then he shot me in the face with a rocket launcher but none of us our dead! Hey I'm routinely jumping farther than any human being ever has in recorded history!
Total realism in a game is boring. Looking like the real world isn't if the setting is interesting. I would find it very restrictive if every game that tried to look realistic only let me get killed by the first shot that makes contact, made me get tired when runing, only allowed me to jump a foot in the air, didn't let me have any lives of continues, made me eat, sleep, drink and go to the bathroom and if I failed a mission for whatever reason, that's it, we're fucked and the world is destroyed. But if it's cartoony these rules don't apply? Why is Bowser allowed to live in a fortress that is so full of traps and lava that it doesn't make sense how he ever got into the room he is waiting for you in (for some reasons) in the first place? Because he's cartoony this completely illogical setup gets a free pass?
Giving the player slack in regards to realism is what makes games fun. Part of the thrill is you the player are succeeding at something that no one EVER could succeed at in real life. It's all about fantasy and sometimes that fantasy will require a world that looks similar to our's.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Pandareus on August 20, 2009, 12:30:49 PM
I completely agree with the above post. Suspend your disbelief a little, especially if the alternative is being nitpicky and no fun at all.
Being pursued by a helicopter in a collapsing building = fun. Just pretend that table is made of adamantium. Problem solved!
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 20, 2009, 12:54:55 PM
I see. Suspend your disbelief a little to justify the industry's approach to Hollywood-Realism at the tune of $600+tax.
THAT'S GREAT. The consumer collective will be so excited to see the next generation machines show them the path of the industry's future.
Not only is the Uncanny Valley required to insult our wallets, it also insults our intelligence in a 2-for-1 special. Checkout all that value for $600+tax.
I'll gladly suspend some disbelief at the cost of... cost. Rolling a cat-ball around a tiltable puzzle plane? Mind blowingly thrilling.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: broodwars on August 20, 2009, 02:17:09 PM
I see. Suspend your disbelief a little to justify the industry's approach to Hollywood-Realism at the tune of $600+tax.
THAT'S GREAT. The consumer collective will be so excited to see the next generation machines show them the path of the industry's future.
Not only is the Uncanny Valley required to insult our wallets, it also insults our intelligence in a 2-for-1 special. Checkout all that value for $600+tax.
I'll gladly suspend some disbelief at the cost of... cost. Rolling a cat-ball around a tiltable puzzle plane? Mind blowingly thrilling.
Dude, you are way too obsessed with how a game looks dictating how it can work. It's a ****ing videogame, and you bring suspension of disbelief with you when you play one whether it's Mario or Gears of War. By your logic, when I sit down and watch Indiana Jones I should be constantly obsessing over how utterly impossible everything Harrison Ford does in that movie is, because it's so lifelike! No, when I play a game or watch a movie I'm in it for the fun, reality be damned. Uncharted and Uncharted 2 are gorgeous games. Yeah, they don't play by real-world physics and logic. So the **** what? They are obviously inspired by Indiana Jones, so they look like a high-quality Indiana Jones movie and play by similar rules. That's not inconsistent, anyway.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: ShyGuy on August 20, 2009, 02:21:28 PM
I think I will pick up Uncharted used at Gamestop to play on my cousin's PS3 just to see if Lindy is right on the money.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: broodwars on August 20, 2009, 02:24:10 PM
I think I will pick up Uncharted used at Gamestop to play on my cousin's PS3 just to see if Lindy is right on the money.
I hope you enjoy it, as it really captures that "Adventure Serials" movie feeling. Just beware the monotony of the game's frequent enemy encounters.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: NWR_DrewMG on August 20, 2009, 02:27:04 PM
I don't have a PS3, and I don't see myself getting one before Christmas 2010, but when I do, Uncharted will probably be one of the first games I pick up.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: that Baby guy on August 20, 2009, 02:47:24 PM
If people are sitting here thinking Uncharted or its sequel are ANYTHING like Metal Gear Solid 4 and its 15-minute cutscenes, they're dead wrong. The cut-scenes and engine are virtually indistinguishable. Check out the intro:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r9opp1MsNQ
The "acting" and script is top-notch. Anyways, the game is HIGHLY engrossing no matter what it may "look" like.
My only criticism of Uncharted is that the enemies are repetitive. You wind up shooting wave after wave of the same enemies over and over, but the plot, gorgeous environments, and tight climbing/platforming really make up for it. There was really only one area of the game that seriously dragged (in the castle during the middle of the game), but the rest was really fun. It's a really good mesh of third-person shooter and platformer, and the character are really fleshed-out well and actually have personalities.
Acting was top-notch? I felt like I was listening to an over-exaggerated stage production... Including the lack of ambient sound effects. Then... he's on the boat, running around, punching and scissor-kicking people, while there's two or three pirates who have clear shots on the guy. The fact is, the game puts on a charade like everything is a real as can be, people praise "seamless" transitions, which are essentially a cutscene followed by a scene with a running dialog track, despite whatever's going on (Drake and the girl spoke calmly and rationally, without raising their voices to speak over even their own gunfire.)
Yeah, I'm being nitpicky, but you know what? When I'm told something is realistic, I expect realism, without the developer taking shortcuts. It's bad design to have a situation where a hero isn't behind cover and there's three men shooting him, and there's no consequence. When he does his "punch-punch-kick" combo on an enemy already lying down, he should have collapsed for gunwounds. That's bad design. It was forgivable back when we first began having 3D games with guns, but at this point, it's sad, sorry, and not worth my money. I wouldn't even go into suspension of belief here: In movie situations, the protagonist is either able to hide and create a plan that works out perfectly to defeat/escape from his enemies, or Deus ex Machina happens BEFORE he gets shot. That was just tacky.
What's worse is that, judging from that PS3 scene, the sequel didn't eliminate the problem, it just exacerbated it.
It's like all those games that market how you fight hordes of enemies, but really, you fight one or two at a time, while the rest wait patiently in a circle around you. That's an all too common trend I've seen lately, too. In reality, they'd be better off just all jumping on you to hold you down, while one stands to the side, and slits your neck. Where's the fun in that? It would be more fun than watching forty enemies watch you, I'd think.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: vudu on August 20, 2009, 02:56:49 PM
Jeez, you guys really know how to ruin a thread.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: broodwars on August 20, 2009, 02:58:44 PM
Yeah, I'm being nitpicky, but you know what? When I'm told something is realistic, I expect realism, without the developer taking shortcuts. It's bad design to have a situation where a hero isn't behind cover and there's three men shooting him, and there's no consequence. When he does his "punch-punch-kick" combo on an enemy already lying down, he should have collapsed for gunwounds. That's bad design. It was forgivable back when we first began having 3D games with guns, but at this point, it's sad, sorry, and not worth my money. I wouldn't even go into suspension of belief here: In movie situations, the protagonist is either able to hide and create a plan that works out perfectly to defeat/escape from his enemies, or Deus ex Machina happens BEFORE he gets shot. That was just tacky.
Have you actually played the game? Outside of cutscenes, if you stand in front of 3 guys and try "punch-punch-kick"-ing them to death you get riddled by bullet holes and die because the enemies in the game have uncanny accuracy and large numbers. The actual game forces you to constantly jump behind cover to pick off the goons one-by-one with gunfire, made especially hard because they're also behind cover and very hard to see most times. You only resort to melee if you absolutely have to because it sucks, and if possible you only do it if you can get behind the enemy. You can make an argument for the auto-healing being unrealistic, but you know what? It's a game. Whatever.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: that Baby guy on August 20, 2009, 03:09:14 PM
I watched the video Lindy linked to, where the person playing did precisely that, with no complication what-so-ever.
I'm actually alright with auto-healing, much better than having to go to the far corner of something somewhere to pick up more "body-armor" or "first-aid."
I also already explained how I hadn't played the game before, because, well... a major point of my argument is that there's so many games out there that playing one to decide whether I'll like it or not isn't a reasonable process. Watching a video of the game, specifically one that developers or fans of it choose to show it off should be enough for a first glance. At this point, I wouldn't deem this game worth spending effort for ME to play. It's not something I would like, and I would constantly be annoyed by incongruities in the effort to provide a realistic gaming environment.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: vudu on August 20, 2009, 03:31:17 PM
OH FOR THE LOVE OF MOP
There's more Uncharted discussion here than there is in the Uncharted thread (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=22951.0). Can you guys please move this discussion over there?
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Halbred on August 20, 2009, 03:46:44 PM
I like your avi, Vudu. Where'd you get it? Are there other Koopalings?
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: that Baby guy on August 20, 2009, 03:47:22 PM
I like your avi, Vudu. Where'd you get it? Are there other Koopalings?
Nice.
Looks like a sticker.
Halbred, you're officially my favorite staffer.
...For now.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: stevey on August 20, 2009, 07:23:15 PM
It's barely small than the xbox (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y267/n64/1250684843248.jpg)
plus I rather have backward compatibility and PS3 Linux (http://hackaday.com/2009/08/20/ps3-slim-axes-linux-support/)
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: NWR_Lindy on August 20, 2009, 07:34:57 PM
Nobody uses PS3 Linux, so I don't have any problem removing it. Sure, there's an underground cadre of PS3 Linux users that get woodies watching CRON jobs kick off, but that's about 0.00000003% of the PS3 userbase. I applaud Sony for actually removing useless functionality rather than adding more in, which is their usual M.O. (has anybody in the history of the planet ever used Skype on their PSP? Kaz Hirai, put your hand down, you don't count).
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Halbred on August 20, 2009, 07:51:31 PM
Yes, Skype on PSP is the most useless application ever. The PSP's internet browser is craptastic too. Not as bad as Opera, but nothing is. The problem with the PSP's browser, aside from being hilariously slow, is that it runs out of memory extremely quickly. I wonder if the PSP GO! will fix that problem?
Do I want to pay $250 for a better internet browser? Not really.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: vudu on August 20, 2009, 08:03:10 PM
I like your avi, Vudu. Where'd you get it? Are there other Koopalings?
I'm not sure if this question is serious or if you're just trying to derail the topic even more.
I stole it shamelessly from this NeoGAF thread (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=366532). There's also a list of them available here (http://masklinn.net/scribbletars/) although it seems to be missing some of the newer ones.
I know there's at least a Lemmy floating around there.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Halbred on August 20, 2009, 08:17:34 PM
Sweet. And I'm being totally serious--I love that art style.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: vudu on August 20, 2009, 08:54:26 PM
Of course--it's Scribblenauts!!!
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: D_Average on August 21, 2009, 12:38:00 AM
I just want the bigger drive. I have just run out at 80gb and I'm too lazy to put in a new one.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Caliban on August 21, 2009, 12:48:05 AM
I think I will pick up Uncharted used at Gamestop to play on my cousin's PS3 just to see if Lindy is right on the money.
Make sure it's less than $29.99 because I think that's what it's going for right now as new.
Or just rent it. You can beat it in a few days. Not a ton of replay value but hopefully two will.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Djunknown on August 21, 2009, 02:47:25 AM
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Still not censorship, especially since the game could have appeared on the Wii as long as they managed a different publisher.
They already had a different publisher:Themselves! Someone please show me the Wii Ware content guidelines in their entirety.
# Developer: JV Games # Publisher: JV Games
Boldface mine. This straight from NWR's game sheet. Dictating ("Change the game yourself, or its not coming out!") what a crappy game should not have, despite being within ESRB limits? Sounds like censorship. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frat_Party_Games:_Pong_Toss#Controversy) [/last time I go off topic, really]
Back to the PS3Slim Love/Hate fest. No Little Big Planet love? Or are people going to hate on that too?
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: that Baby guy on August 21, 2009, 03:17:29 AM
Did you read the article you linked to? Wikipedia didn't say anything about Nintendo even having a hand in the change to the game. Sheesh.
I've already put in my two cents on LPB. The game engine looks terrible, like playing it would just be painful. While I haven't seen every big and grand stage invented in the game, but several of the praised stages I have seen look dull, in part due to the physics and platformer, and in part because it seems like the game is mostly the same thing, and that the level design really hasn't been anything I desire.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: broodwars on August 21, 2009, 03:22:08 AM
LittleBigPlanet's alright. My big problem with it is playing through the single-player is an especially lacking experience, because it plays like a tutorial for all the cool things you can do in the level editor rather than an actual experience unto itself.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: D_Average on August 21, 2009, 07:26:08 PM
LittleBigPlanet's alright. My big problem with it is playing through the single-player is an especially lacking experience, because it plays like a tutorial for all the cool things you can do in the level editor rather than an actual experience unto itself.
I completely agree. I love the look. I love the ability to design almost anything. But the actual play mechanics, are just kind of boring and floaty, which is why Alex's recent Rag Doll Kung Fu failed. Strip everything down to the gameplay in LBP, and you don't have much of a game IMO.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Plugabugz on August 21, 2009, 07:41:30 PM
I plumped for a Phat PS3. I found one for £179. SUCCESS.
SAVVY CONSOOMER WINS.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: NWR_Lindy on August 21, 2009, 11:33:51 PM
Congrats, Plugabugz. If you need any game recommendations, let me know.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: mac<censored> on August 21, 2009, 11:40:44 PM
I looked at amazon, and it's very silly, they have both the ps3 slim (in "taking reservations" mode, available 9/03) and ps3 bloated for sale, and the latter is 50% more in price -- but of course, it's what amazon "recommends"!
What are all the stores with gobs of old bloated models gonna do with them? Just take a bath and sell them for half the price they paid?
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: D_Average on August 21, 2009, 11:44:00 PM
I looked at amazon, and it's very silly, they have both the ps3 slim (in "taking reservations" mode, available 9/03) and ps3 bloated for sale, and the latter is 50% more in price -- but of course, it's what amazon "recommends"!
What are all the stores with gobs of old bloated models gonna do with them? Just take a bath and sell them for half the price they paid?
I smell more bundles on the way.....
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 22, 2009, 02:34:07 AM
Strip everything down to the gameplay in LBP, and you don't have much of a game IMO.
That's why I am no longer interested in that game. The only PS3 games I'm really interested in are Valkyria Chronicles and MLB The Show, which is why $300 is still way too much for me.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: NWR_Lindy on August 22, 2009, 02:52:59 AM
Strip everything down to the gameplay in LBP, and you don't have much of a game IMO.
That's why I am no longer interested in that game. The only PS3 games I'm really interested in are Valkyria Chronicles and MLB The Show, which is why $300 is still way too much for me.
It was Motorstorm and the PSN titles which suckered me in, which is why I've already filled up 80 gbs.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: mac<censored> on August 22, 2009, 03:49:39 AM
Congrats, Plugabugz. If you need any game recommendations, let me know.
They are all USA stuffs :( Will do. Cheap ass gamer has kept me occupied the past 9 months; i already have a about 5 or 6 games waiting for me.
Posted some decent deals in the gen gaming thread...
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: D_Average on August 23, 2009, 02:10:51 PM
Oops! Forgot about your location. Sorry 4 the tease!
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Plugabugz on August 23, 2009, 05:01:46 PM
I will post in there with UK stuffs. But the UK Feed of Cheap Arse Gamer (note spelling) is keeping me satisfied. Mirror's Edge for £5. Not bad! Pikmin NPC £10!
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: D_Average on August 23, 2009, 05:35:56 PM
Love me some Mirrors Edge, just went on another binge with it a month ago.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: that Baby guy on August 24, 2009, 03:29:40 AM
For what it's worth, my roommate has resigned to pick up the slimmer PS3, he just got back in town last night. His list of games he plans to pick up include Metal Gear Solid 4 and a few other titles I have forgotten since yesterday evening. I can recall he doesn't want Uncharted, Little Big Planet, or Devil May Cry 3. He's buying it squarely for the Blu-Ray player and SquareEnix's Final Fantasy titles. He decided to play the Metal Gear Solid games once he made up his mind, but he wasn't sure which PS3 version he would get until they finally made that announcement. Since the used PS3 with backwards compatibility costs about as much as a New PS3 and a PS2 Slim, he decided he'd get a new PS3. Makes sense.
The only game I can think of that I would buy to play on it is the Katamari Damacy game released on it (or planned for it, I don't recall which it is...) I'd go for Castle Crashers, too, when that port comes out. I'm not really sure if all that much else on the platform interests me.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Pandareus on August 25, 2009, 10:03:44 AM
Argh, the lack of interest in Flower is killing me! It's one of the most interesting and refreshing experiences this gen!
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: mac<censored> on August 25, 2009, 10:30:17 AM
Argh, the lack of interest in Flower is killing me! It's one of the most interesting and refreshing experiences this gen!
Interest in what?
It is kind of weird, btw -- with the price drop, I actually bothered to look at the PS3 games in the store this weekend, since now buying a ps3 seems within reason ... only to find nothing really looked that interesting.
"Uncharted" looked sort of neat from the trailer, but people's comments here seem to suggest it gets a bit tedious, and is short (comments?). I'd be totally into RE5 if it were like more-of-RE4 (I loved RE4 on the GC... I've played through through it like 10 times(!), and it just doesn't stop being fun), but from what I've seen, RE5 is a bit of a snoozefest...
Ugh...
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Pandareus on August 25, 2009, 11:13:00 AM
But I get what you're saying about nothing being appealing in the store. I get that same feeling sometimes staring at walls of PS3 games.
Or 360 games.
Or Wii games.
Even DS games.
Thankfully we're no longer 12 years old kids or in the early 90s, we've got the internet at our fingertips to see what's good out there and don't have to rely on box art.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: D_Average on August 26, 2009, 12:03:17 AM
I can't see how anyone would not be interested in PSN titles. I've already filled up my 80 gb drive with them.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Halbred on August 26, 2009, 02:00:46 PM
Just to clarify: RE5 is RE4 with better graphics and quick-switch weapon toggles. And an optional two-player mode, which is actually a lot of fun when you get into it.
Assuming my PS3 Phat sells (I think I found a buyer), I'll be doing a Slim unboxing photo essay on my blog...I'll link to it here.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: kraken613 on August 26, 2009, 03:45:18 PM
My Gamestop has them now... So tempting.... I went in and looked at one. It looks nicer in person than it did in the pictures. It is a lot smaller too.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 26, 2009, 03:51:11 PM
Doesn't it still take up the area of a large pizza?
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: mac<censored> on August 26, 2009, 07:36:22 PM
Just to clarify: RE5 is RE4 with better graphics and quick-switch weapon toggles.
Dunno, the reviews seem to be a lot harsher on RE5 than they were on RE4...
What about the settings? One of the best parts of RE4 was the enormous variety of cool/interesting/huge/complex settings (that castle was downright weird, but soo cool... and the medical facility soooo creepy...). The only setting I've seen in RE5 trailers has been some african hut kinda things, which seemed downright boring.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Halbred on August 26, 2009, 07:53:17 PM
Remember the early previews of RE4, how they only showed the village setting, then you actually play it and there are three distinct areas (village, castle, island)?
That's kind of how RE5 is. African village, then industrial area, then awesome tribal village/underground caverns and ruins/, then bioweapon lab.
THEN a volcano. No joke.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: D_Average on August 27, 2009, 09:44:56 PM
Since it relates to the discussion, here's a chart comparing the elite and slim. I had no idea the 360 was without bluetooth. Weird.
PS3 Slim * Xbox 360 Elite
Price $299 * $299 Color Black * Black Hard Disk Size 120GB * 120GB USB Ports 2 * 3 WiFi Built-In * $99 Add On Disc Drive Blu-ray/DVD/CD * DVD/CD HDMI Yes, no cable included * Yes, no cable included Bluetooth Yes * No Controllers Included One * One Last Generation Backwards Compatibility No * Partial Online Play Free * $50 a year Dimensions 290 × 65 × 290 mm * 310 x 80 x 260 mm Weight 3.2 kg * 3.5 kg
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: that Baby guy on August 27, 2009, 10:28:19 PM
...Wii owners?
Kotaku's match-up was uneven. For one thing, does the PS3 support NetFlix? It does have complete PS1 BC, doesn't it? Why not include a category called "Console Color," going by their list? It states the bare minumum, and nothing else, and by that, the PS3 is the clear winner. Of course, at the end, they say library is probably more important, and it's exposed that the page was written just to fill up a quota for their blog, pretty much.
Anyone buying the consoles should be pretty aware of those few differences. The real ones, the more obscure ones, is number of games, ratings, availability of DLC, types of DLC, uses of DLC, internet browsing experiences, and things that take time to present.
...But, that would take actual work, heaven forbid.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: mac<censored> on August 27, 2009, 11:20:11 PM
Here's some stuff you left out:
PS3 Slim * Xbox 360 Elite
Controller Crappy Sony layout * OK Evil Kinda * Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate Reliability OK * Self-destructs if you breath on it Stupid looking? Meh * Designed by Bill Gates' hairdresser
So who wins? Evil!
:(
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 28, 2009, 12:10:34 AM
Kotaku is wrong. Unless they changed it since I got my Xbox 360 last year, the Xbox 360 Elite DOES come with a HDMI cable. Hell, the PlayStation only comes with composite cable, at least the Xbox 360 Pro comes with component cables.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 28, 2009, 12:41:12 AM
Kotaku is wrong. Unless they changed it since I got my Xbox 360 last year, the Xbox 360 Elite DOES come with a HDMI cable. Hell, the PlayStation only comes with composite cable, at least the Xbox 360 Pro comes with component cables.
According to the new packaging, 360Pro don't come with HDMI cables anymore.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: that Baby guy on August 28, 2009, 02:59:42 AM
They did change it, probably less than a month ago.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Pale on August 28, 2009, 10:46:29 AM
Kotaku is wrong. Unless they changed it since I got my Xbox 360 last year, the Xbox 360 Elite DOES come with a HDMI cable. Hell, the PlayStation only comes with composite cable, at least the Xbox 360 Pro comes with component cables.
Not wrong, with the new price all the Elites will no longer have HDMI.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 28, 2009, 12:51:59 PM
Kotaku is wrong. Unless they changed it since I got my Xbox 360 last year, the Xbox 360 Elite DOES come with a HDMI cable. Hell, the PlayStation only comes with composite cable, at least the Xbox 360 Pro comes with component cables.
Not wrong, with the new price all the Elites will no longer have HDMI.
Which is stupid since you can get an HDMI cables for really cheap, especially in bulk orders. http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1024008
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Ian Sane on August 28, 2009, 01:17:41 PM
I think it's funny that I consider the fact that the PS3 Slim has built in WiFi to be a key selling point because when Nintendo revealed the Wii I was pissed that I couldn't just plug a cord into the back of the thing. Using WiFi only seemed like a stupid restriction. But to accomodate that stupid restriction I switched to wireless internet so now I want any console I buy to support it so I don't have to **** around with a cord.
Haven't seen Slims in stores yet. No biggie since this week I don't have the time to play anyway.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: kraken613 on August 28, 2009, 01:22:01 PM
The new 360's only come with composite cables now too.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Halbred on August 28, 2009, 04:42:20 PM
Composite cables are insulting in the HD-age. Even PS2 and Wii games look significantly better with component.
Sold my PS3 (just the system and a game, no bells 'n' whistles) for $200, and the woman I sold it to owes me $60 for two games and an HDMI cord. So I'll have all the moolah I need to buy a Slim. It's just a matter of finding one stores. Because I have the cash and I'm not tied to store credit for this one, I'll have more freedom to buy it when I see it. Not that I'll actually be playing anything but Metroid Prime/Echoes for the next week or so...
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: mac<censored> on August 28, 2009, 05:14:24 PM
The sheer quantity of whining (on many different forums) about the silly cables is quite impressive though...
You'd think the only thing that really mattered in gaming was which cables were included with the system!
[My TV only has composite input, so I'm happy enough that I don't have to pay for cables I don't need...]
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 28, 2009, 06:44:11 PM
Oh noes HDMI cables cost like $6, horrific.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: NWR_Lindy on August 29, 2009, 08:19:28 AM
Seriously. $4 to your door from Monoprice.com.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: mac<censored> on August 29, 2009, 10:29:20 AM
And for the UK people, play.com has them from £5 (free delivery).
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: D_Average on August 29, 2009, 01:23:54 PM
Nothing upsets me more than the folks who get dooped into buying them at Best Buy. I bought a 20 foot hdmi the other day for 5 bones. Considering how cheap we can get them online, it does seem odd Sony/MS do not include them.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 29, 2009, 04:17:50 PM
Nothing upsets me more than the folks who get dooped into buying them at Best Buy. I bought a 20 foot hdmi the other day for 5 bones. Considering how cheap we can get them online, it does seem odd Sony/MS do not include them.
That is true. The truly outrageous ones are the monster cables, talk about overpriced compared to what you get!
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Adrock on August 30, 2009, 01:52:10 PM
I got mine on Friday. It's seriously the sexiness. Ok, it's the same thing, but at least it's easier to bring to my brother's. With some trades and a trade boost at Game Crazy, I paid less than $30 for the Slim.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: KDR_11k on August 30, 2009, 02:34:16 PM
Nothing upsets me more than the folks who get dooped into buying them at Best Buy. I bought a 20 foot hdmi the other day for 5 bones. Considering how cheap we can get them online, it does seem odd Sony/MS do not include them.
That is true. The truly outrageous ones are the monster cables, talk about overpriced compared to what you get!
Yeah and even more outrageous are the suckers who buy special shielded, gold plated HDMI cables and then talk about having a better picture quality. IT'S DIGITAL FFS.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: D_Average on August 30, 2009, 04:23:03 PM
Nothing upsets me more than the folks who get dooped into buying them at Best Buy. I bought a 20 foot hdmi the other day for 5 bones. Considering how cheap we can get them online, it does seem odd Sony/MS do not include them.
That is true. The truly outrageous ones are the monster cables, talk about overpriced compared to what you get!
Yeah and even more outrageous are the suckers who buy special shielded, gold plated HDMI cables and then talk about having a better picture quality. IT'S DIGITAL FFS.
haha. very true
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Halbred on August 31, 2009, 01:37:44 PM
I got my Friday night. Spent the rest of the night installing games, re-downloading (most of) my PSN stuff, and getting patches. Once XMB 3.0 drops, I'll feel like I have a brand-new system.
It's a sexy, sexy machine. Love the aesthetics of it, and it really is dramatically smaller. Came with a DualShock 3, which was surprising but appreciated. Now I have two!
Only thing that irks me is that it seems like installs and patches take a bit longer now, and some games boot up slower than they did before. That might just be my imagination, because "Playstation 3" doesn't show up when you start a game anymore. Which is odd.
Now I can finish Butcher Bay, Dark Athena, and Prototype!
But first I have to finish Prime and Echoes, of course. Look for that photo essay soon.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on August 31, 2009, 01:46:51 PM
That is because they are re-branding the PS3, you won't see anything with the Spiderman type face anymore.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: vudu on August 31, 2009, 01:54:00 PM
Out of curiosity, what's a Blu-Ray remote cost?
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Halbred on August 31, 2009, 02:53:02 PM
Like $30, I think.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: bosshogx on August 31, 2009, 05:40:58 PM
It also doesn't help that the PS3's game library is 99% over-hyped trash that doesn't appeal to me at all.
I kinda agree with you, but... I'm gonna buy a slim anyway (prob this week).
I find that I simply can't play that many games -- there's just no time -- so in practice I buy systems based on there being 1 or 2 games that really appeal to me; once I have a system, I'll end up buying a few other games too of course. The proportion of good games or the size of the library is not so really important as long as there are a minimal number of good games I want -- of course the former factors can strongly influence the latter, but it's the latter I pay attention to, and it's not really important how its achieved.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: broodwars on August 31, 2009, 08:36:16 PM
Estimated time of death: the moment Sheva joins your game (aka "the beginning").
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: mac<censored> on September 03, 2009, 09:21:00 PM
I played RE5 for some hours last night, and basically it is RE4, just with more sunshine. All my muscle memory from RE4 works perfectly, and they clearly re-used a lot of the sound effects, especially various sound cues, from RE4!
I rather like the partner thing, sure she wastes ammo etc, but she's very good about saving my butt -- it's kinda nice knowing that when I screw up to the point of death, there's a reasonable chance she'll bop along and fix things just in the nick of time. All in all, it's quite fun so far, a bit of a mogadishu vibe...
Gfx are nice, but not as big a leap over RE4 as I imagined they'd be; maybe the horsepower's going into HD (the game was clearly meant for big-screen/highres teevees -- most of the in-game text is in a font that's so small as to be almost unreadable on my smallish lowres tv...). The environments do seem to be a bit larger (or at least, less divided into sections).
But WTF happened to Chris Redfield's biceps?!
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 03, 2009, 09:39:59 PM
When there's HD power to spare, Chris stores it in his biceps like a camel.
Sounds like you're near the end of the game.
"but she's very good about saving my butt" this is unheard of.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: mac<censored> on September 03, 2009, 11:07:09 PM
"but she's very good about saving my butt" this is unheard of.
I suspect you're a better player than I am... :(
I tend to get myself in bad spots where I'm about to die and out of ammo and health stuff, and am confusedly spinning in circles while hordes of baddies are chopping on me with axes. It's at these times that whats-her-face runs up and health-sprays me and tosses me some ammo. Of course, part of the reason I was out of ammo in the first place is because she stole it all, but...
Also, the different inventory management has some influence: in RE4, you could access and use your inventory while paused, which made it easier to get your head together and use a health-spray in tight spots; in RE5, the bad guy can still chainsaw you while you're fumbling round in your inventory, so having a partner around who takes care of the health-spraying while I concentrate on not getting chopped up is useful.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Halbred on September 04, 2009, 01:35:29 PM
What's your PS3 handle, Mac? We should play together sometime (on RE5). I've been looking for an excuse to jump back in--I need points and moolah.
Mine is "Sillysaur."
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Ghisy on September 04, 2009, 07:12:56 PM
Eeeeek, the new 3.0 firmware adds a fugly new start-up logo :( And the Playstation 3 logo is gone when launching a game. Bah.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: D_Average on September 04, 2009, 11:41:51 PM
Didn't attach the PS3 to any network yet... so don't have a login or anything.
Not sure the best way to do a network... maybe I can buy one of those little Nintendo wifi routers, then I could get all of my video games (wii, DS, ps3) online!
[Supposedly the Nintendo wifi router was only available for sale online, but I've actually seen it at game stores! Pretty cheap, less than a game really...]
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: D_Average on September 06, 2009, 04:14:00 PM
Just posted a deal in the forums to pick up the Slim w/ free shipping for $285 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=15878.new#new). Now only $35 more than a Wii......Zing!!
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: vudu on September 06, 2009, 06:07:33 PM
Is there a way to get a PSN ID w/o a PS3 or PS2?
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 06, 2009, 06:20:04 PM
Yes: http://www.us.playstation.com/PSN/SignUp
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: vudu on September 07, 2009, 01:03:40 PM
Sorry for the random questions, but I have a couple more.
If you just want to watch a movie, can you set it up so the PS3 will jump straight to the movie or does it always go to the main PS3 menu and from there I would need to navigate to the movie?
How long does it take the PS3 to boot up a movie? My parents have a Samsung Blu-Ray player, and it takes a good 30 seconds after you put in the disc to load up the movie. It drives my dad crazy.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: broodwars on September 07, 2009, 03:05:27 PM
Sorry for the random questions, but I have a couple more.
If you just want to watch a movie, can you set it up so the PS3 will jump straight to the movie or does it always go to the main PS3 menu and from there I would need to navigate to the movie?
How long does it take the PS3 to boot up a movie? My parents have a Samsung Blu-Ray player, and it takes a good 30 seconds after you put in the disc to load up the movie. It drives my dad crazy.
You can change a setting in the System Settings to enable discs to auto-run when you put them in, and as far as booting up the Blu-Ray player loading times vary wildly by the disc and whether the disc is Blu-Ray or DVD. Generally, I'd say it takes between 30-60 seconds to load up a disc. Incidentally, annoyingly there doesn't seem to be any way to enable auto-resume on a Blu-Ray Disc, so if you stop a disc during play for any reason expect to have to manually look up where you were when you start the disc up again. This is not an issue with DVDs, which have auto-resume.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 07, 2009, 03:28:29 PM
360 will remember where you were in your DVD, and any video that you were watching on the system.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: D_Average on September 07, 2009, 03:32:01 PM
Sorry for the random questions, but I have a couple more.
If you just want to watch a movie, can you set it up so the PS3 will jump straight to the movie or does it always go to the main PS3 menu and from there I would need to navigate to the movie?
How long does it take the PS3 to boot up a movie? My parents have a Samsung Blu-Ray player, and it takes a good 30 seconds after you put in the disc to load up the movie. It drives my dad crazy.
You can change a setting in the System Settings to enable discs to auto-run when you put them in, and as far as booting up the Blu-Ray player loading times vary wildly by the disc and whether the disc is Blu-Ray or DVD. Generally, I'd say it takes between 30-60 seconds to load up a disc. Incidentally, annoyingly there doesn't seem to be any way to enable auto-resume on a Blu-Ray Disc, so if you stop a disc during play for any reason expect to have to manually look up where you were when you start the disc up again. This is not an issue with DVDs, which have auto-resume.
Now that I think about it, thats true. It remembers my spot on dvd's but not on blu rays. How strange. And lame.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 07, 2009, 05:28:44 PM
Sorry for the random questions, but I have a couple more.
If you just want to watch a movie, can you set it up so the PS3 will jump straight to the movie or does it always go to the main PS3 menu and from there I would need to navigate to the movie?
How long does it take the PS3 to boot up a movie? My parents have a Samsung Blu-Ray player, and it takes a good 30 seconds after you put in the disc to load up the movie. It drives my dad crazy.
You can change a setting in the System Settings to enable discs to auto-run when you put them in, and as far as booting up the Blu-Ray player loading times vary wildly by the disc and whether the disc is Blu-Ray or DVD. Generally, I'd say it takes between 30-60 seconds to load up a disc. Incidentally, annoyingly there doesn't seem to be any way to enable auto-resume on a Blu-Ray Disc, so if you stop a disc during play for any reason expect to have to manually look up where you were when you start the disc up again. This is not an issue with DVDs, which have auto-resume.
Now that I think about it, thats true. It remembers my spot on dvd's but not on blu rays. How strange. And lame.
I think Blu-rays have to be programmed to remember your spot if I recall correctly. Some do and some don't.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 07, 2009, 06:06:16 PM
Sorry for the random questions, but I have a couple more.
If you just want to watch a movie, can you set it up so the PS3 will jump straight to the movie or does it always go to the main PS3 menu and from there I would need to navigate to the movie?
How long does it take the PS3 to boot up a movie? My parents have a Samsung Blu-Ray player, and it takes a good 30 seconds after you put in the disc to load up the movie. It drives my dad crazy.
You can change a setting in the System Settings to enable discs to auto-run when you put them in, and as far as booting up the Blu-Ray player loading times vary wildly by the disc and whether the disc is Blu-Ray or DVD. Generally, I'd say it takes between 30-60 seconds to load up a disc. Incidentally, annoyingly there doesn't seem to be any way to enable auto-resume on a Blu-Ray Disc, so if you stop a disc during play for any reason expect to have to manually look up where you were when you start the disc up again. This is not an issue with DVDs, which have auto-resume.
Now that I think about it, thats true. It remembers my spot on dvd's but not on blu rays. How strange. And lame.
I think Blu-rays have to be programmed to remember your spot if I recall correctly. Some do and some don't.
A choice like that really inspires confidence in Sony's ability to design something.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Ian Sane on September 09, 2009, 01:48:49 AM
So I got a PS3 Slim on Sunday. I got Bioshock with it and when my brother found out I got one he bought Soul Calibur IV. Because of that I ended up buying a second controller a little earlier than I otherwise would have. The controller was 50 bucks and at first I wasn't too thrilled to have to pay that much... until I remember a Wii remote with nunchuk is even more. ;)
I like how the controllers are rechargeable so I don't have to buy a bunch of AA batteries (hint hint, Nintendo) though the cord to charge with is too short. It's like I'm playing a Genesis. But when the controller is charged and can be used wireless it's an absolute joy to use. Sony has actually improved on the controller! Although it's the same basic design it feels more ergonomic (the L2 and R2 buttons don't stick out the back as far), the plastic feels less cheap and the d-pad is vastly improved. It's the same split d-pad but it feels firmer, almost like a SNES d-pad.
Soul Calibur IV is exactly what I would expect. It looks fantastic and does noticeably feel different than the other games though I can't quite put my finger on exactly why that is. Darth Vader is laughably out of place and my friends all cracked up the second he appeared in the intro.
Bioshock is absolutely amazing. With the Wii there is all this talk about how graphics don't matter and this and that. In terms of gameplay, Bioshock isn't breaking that much new ground. It's a first person shooter and plays as one would expect, though it is very well done and fun to play and has a couple creative ideas. But the atmosphere really makes this game special. The setting is believable. It's eerie and uncomfortable. You want to explore to see what's next but at the same time you don't because you're afraid of what you'll see next. The game gives me this feeling that nowhere is safe. Oh and I don't play as a space marine and it doesn't take place in WWII. ;)
If it was just Miis shooting each other it would play the same but wouldn't FEEL the same and I think that's something that Nintendo has lost track of. This isn't just about making a pretty game, it's about creating the world in which you the player escape to. This is what non-games completely lack and that's why I'm completely disinterested in them. This is why it became apparent that I would need to buy another console.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 09, 2009, 01:56:39 AM
You're the person who didn't play RE4 some 4 years ago. You're incredibly late to this whole escapist 3D atmosphere thing, and it took you $400USD+ and a whole generation to get to a conclusion you would've reached with a Wavebird controller.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: broodwars on September 09, 2009, 02:00:41 AM
So I got a PS3 Slim on Sunday. I got Bioshock with it and when my brother found out I got one he bought Soul Calibur IV. Because of that I ended up buying a second controller a little earlier than I otherwise would have. The controller was 50 bucks and at first I wasn't too thrilled to have to pay that much... until I remember a Wii remote with nunchuk is even more. ;)
I like how the controllers are rechargeable so I don't have to buy a bunch of AA batteries (hint hint, Nintendo) though the cord to charge with is too short. It's like I'm playing a Genesis. But when the controller is charged and can be used wireless it's an absolute joy to use. Sony has actually improved on the controller! Although it's the same basic design it feels more ergonomic (the L2 and R2 buttons don't stick out the back as far), the plastic feels less cheap and the d-pad is vastly improved. It's the same split d-pad but it feels firmer, almost like a SNES d-pad.
Soul Calibur IV is exactly what I would expect. It looks fantastic and does noticeably feel different than the other games though I can't quite put my finger on exactly why that is. Darth Vader is laughably out of place and my friends all cracked up the second he appeared in the intro.
Bioshock is absolutely amazing. With the Wii there is all this talk about how graphics don't matter and this and that. In terms of gameplay, Bioshock isn't breaking that much new ground. It's a first person shooter and plays as one would expect, though it is very well done and fun to play and has a couple creative ideas. But the atmosphere really makes this game special. The setting is believable. It's eerie and uncomfortable. You want to explore to see what's next but at the same time you don't because you're afraid of what you'll see next. The game gives me this feeling that nowhere is safe. Oh and I don't play as a space marine and it doesn't take place in WWII. ;)
If it was just Miis shooting each other it would play the same but wouldn't FEEL the same and I think that's something that Nintendo has lost track of. This isn't just about making a pretty game, it's about creating the world in which you the player escape to. This is what non-games completely lack and that's why I'm completely disinterested in them. This is why it became apparent that I would need to buy another console.
If you liked Bioshock, you need to play Batman: Arkham Asylum. They share many atmospheric and stylistic elements, the tone is pretty similar between the two, and both are just awesome games that aren't possible on Wii in their current state. Dead Space also has atmosphere in droves, and in many ways it's the game Resident Evil 5 wishes it was.
I may also be the only person to recommend this game, but you might find Alone in the Dark: Inferno an interesting experiment as well as a cheap one. The game's very buggy and doesn't always work right, but the game itself is very ambitious with how it tries to tell its story and how the game rewards inventiveness with the inventory system.
Finally, there's Prince of Persia, a game commonly criticized for being "too easy" and "holding the player's hand" too much, but I enjoyed it. It's a gorgeous game with some pretty epic-looking platforming among pretty damn large worlds without loading times.
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Post by: KDR_11k on September 09, 2009, 09:41:53 AM
You want to explore to see what's next but at the same time you don't because you're afraid of what you'll see next. The game gives me this feeling that nowhere is safe.
Eh? Why worry about safety when all dying does is respawning you in a nearby life restoration chamber with no penalty? That's a pretty damn communist feature in what's supposed to be a pay-for-everything world.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 09, 2009, 10:38:04 AM
Ian, they controllers charge via USB right? If so, then any USB extension cable will work so you can sit farther back while the controller charges. Having said that, if you bought the system 3 days ago, then your batteries shouldn't be dead yet.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Caliban on September 09, 2009, 11:36:53 AM
Quote from: Ian Sane
So I got a PS3 Slim on Sunday.
Awesome. Don't forget to drop your Playstation ID here: http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=22792.0
Quote from: Ian Sane
Bioshock is absolutely amazing. It's a first person shooter and plays as one would expect, though it is very well done and fun to play and has a couple creative ideas. But the atmosphere really makes this game special. The setting is believable. It's eerie and uncomfortable. You want to explore to see what's next but at the same time you don't because you're afraid of what you'll see next. The game gives me this feeling that nowhere is safe.
It is an amazing game. I still think I would label this game in the same genre like the Metroid Prime series is, First Person Adventure.
Quote from: broodwars
You need to play Batman: Arkham Asylum.
I recommend it too. Either give it a rental, or wait for a price drop if you think that PS3 games are a bit expensive here in Canada. Unfortunately you missed the deal where Bestbuy, Futureshop and Walmart had the game for $38.83, and I think EB had it too at that price. Maybe EB, or Walmart still have it at that price.
Quote from: NinGurl69 *huggles
You're the person who didn't play RE4 some 4 years ago. You're incredibly late to this whole escapist 3D atmosphere thing.
Late is better than never.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Ian Sane on September 09, 2009, 12:17:25 PM
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You're the person who didn't play RE4 some 4 years ago. You're incredibly late to this whole escapist 3D atmosphere thing, and it took you $400USD+ and a whole generation to get to a conclusion you would've reached with a Wavebird controller.
Since I'd say the whole escapist 3D atmosphere thing was around on the N64 I'm not late at all. Games like Goldeneye and Ocarina of Time provided much the same feeling for me when those games were current and those graphics were the best you could do. And even before that I could escape into a 2D world as well.
The thing is games that provide this form of escapism are quite common on the PS3 and Xbox 360 and quite rare on the Wii.
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Post by: KDR_11k on September 09, 2009, 01:07:28 PM
Maybe I'm weird but I never get a feeling of escaping when playing games.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: EasyCure on September 09, 2009, 02:48:10 PM
Maybe I'm weird but I never get a feeling of escaping when playing games.
I do. Mainly during Metal Gear Solid and I'm literally in "Escape Mode"
The funny thing is, there's plenty of Wii games I use to reach a feeling of "escape" and they don't necessarily have to have realistic lookin graphics to do so. In fact, I'll even go as far as to say why bother escaping real life to a fantasy world that looks like real life anyway? Whats the point?
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Post by: Ian Sane on September 09, 2009, 04:45:04 PM
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I'll even go as far as to say why bother escaping real life to a fantasy world that looks like real life anyway? Whats the point?
I agree which is why I've never been very interested in games like Gran Turismo or Call of Duty or most sports games. Those are fantasy worlds that look like real life. But Bioshock takes place in an undersea Utopia turned to **** crawling with mutants. I'm pretty sure that doesn't exist in the real world. Same with Hyrule or the Mushroom Kingdom.
However improved graphics can make this fantasy world more believable. We all went nuts the first time we played Ocarina of Time and noticed all the cool details that no game ever had before. With a fake world you have some expectations of what such a world would be like if it really existed. So little details that exist in our world help suck you in more than just a generic stick figure man with floating platform trying to navigate an obstacle course. Such a game doesn't have to be bad and there's a place for it but it's not the same. Not every game needs to have sereal visuals either to distinguish itself from the real world.
Hyrule in the original Zelda is just like a big maze with a bunch of underground obstacle courses. Everyone is either a monster trying to kill me or someone living in a cave. Many areas are almost identical except for the placement of bushes. As the series moved forward we started getting towns full of people and every area started to look unique and even the dungeons now look like some sort of ruined ancient temple instead a bunch of room with traps. And yet even the original Zelda was a huge step up from Adventure where your character is a square. It's a natural progression and it ties in with improved hardware.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 10, 2009, 12:59:51 AM
The games I feel the most escapism are more colorful and wondrous games like Zelda, Fable, Mario,Little King's Story, and games of those sorts, which are sadly RARE on the PS3/360. Most are too realistic to make me feel like I'm escaping anything, I'm going from one bland world to another bland (and grey) world.
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Post by: EasyCure on September 10, 2009, 10:01:43 AM
And to Ian I say this:
The biggest part of escaping into fantasy is your own imagination. I'm not saying that advanced hardware outputting advanced, detailed visuals doesn't help in creating fantasy worls like Bioshock, because they do. You just also have to understand its your own imagination which brings these things to life, its what has always been there filling in the blanks for you. With it, a games graphical output doesn't really matter.
My point is you come off as sounding like all of a sudden, your HD games allow you to escape reality better than before. Is that really the case though? Will you not replay Ocarina of Time and be able to escape to that fantasy land of Hyrule? Just doesn't make sense to me, especially when TOO MUCH detail can actually hurt a games chances of pulling me in. I'm not talking about uncanny valley stuff either.
(Warning, for all you regulars tired of hearing about it, I'm going to talk about Rune Factory Frontier now). Take Harvest Moon for instance. I loved the SNES title back in 199X and then later with the N64 title, I loved it even more because the more powerful hardware added to everything. Bigger environments, more characters, more details etc. However the (graphical) jump from the N64 to PS2/GCN was a big turn-off for me because the charm of the cartoon-like environment and characters from the earlier games was lost in its realism. The game was felt TOO big for its own good and the quirky sense of fun I had farming and wooing girls felt like a chore and I gave up on the game before I really got started.
Flash forward to me and my Wii with even more power than a GCN/PS2 (despite what haters/media/"journalists" would have you believe) and a little series called Rune Factory Frontier, which is just a spin-off of HM anyway. It sports a more realistic style than the original HM games, but has its own unique art-style that gives it its own charm and sets it off as something else entirely (You know, what a good spin-off SHOULD do). However, if there's a repeat of what happened going from N64 -> GCN, you can bet your ass I wouldn't buy a Rune Factory HD if it felt too realistic. Afterall, who wants to play a game about doing chores that looks too realistic anyway? Until that happens though, I'm going to enjoy this niche game which you're frankly missing out on, even if the animations aren't always super smooth and some of the characters are a lil low poly, because in the end its still one of the most engrossing games I've played not just of this generation but previous ones as well; it's THE go to game after a long stressful day of work, when I just need to lay back, relax, and escape real life for an hour or two.
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Post by: Halbred on September 10, 2009, 12:47:51 PM
I was at Target last weekend and they were selling Bionic Commando on clearance--$15 freaking dollars! Some of the other staffers recommended it, so I picked it up. Haven't played it yet.
Also found out that Best Buy is trying to get rid of all their Guitar Hero drum kits: 40% off ($62) and this time, the drums work (unlike my original set).
Bioshock is, without a doubt, one of my favorite games. I think it's the music, honestly, and the way the story is presented.
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Post by: Halbred on September 10, 2009, 08:38:07 PM
Exciting news:
Turtles in Time: Re-shelled hits the PSN today for $10. Almost more exciting is that the hardest-to-find entry in the Silent Hill series, Silent Hill, also hits the PSN for just $6.
If the latter can be played on the PSP (don't see whynot), that's totally going to be one of my plane games.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 10, 2009, 08:45:52 PM
Turtles in Time: Re-shelled hits the PSN today for $10. Almost more exciting is that the hardest-to-find entry in the Silent Hill series, Silent Hill, also hits the PSN for just $6.
If the latter can be played on the PSP (don't see whynot), that's totally going to be one of my plane games.
Well hopefully you won't be let down by Turtles in Time, like I was.
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Post by: broodwars on September 10, 2009, 09:15:48 PM
Turtles in Time: Re-shelled hits the PSN today for $10. Almost more exciting is that the hardest-to-find entry in the Silent Hill series, Silent Hill, also hits the PSN for just $6.
If the latter can be played on the PSP (don't see whynot), that's totally going to be one of my plane games.
Well hopefully you won't be let down by Turtles in Time, like I was.
I'll probably download the demo just to see how bad it is, but the big release for me today is Silent Hill 1 up for download. That's the only one of the numbered Silent Hill games I haven't played yet (I still need to play Origins as well), so I'm looking forward to that one...especially since it's only $6.
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Post by: Adrock on September 10, 2009, 10:41:06 PM
You could always just play the remake, Shattered Memories, on the Wii. Support the cause.
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Post by: broodwars on September 10, 2009, 10:47:28 PM
You could always just play the remake, Shattered Memories, on the Wii. Support the cause.
Or you could always just play both. I'm not sold yet that Shattered Memories will actually be a good game (I'll be waiting on the reviews and word of mouth), and Konami so far hasn't done jack squat to make me believe there's a cause worth supporting there.
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Post by: Halbred on September 11, 2009, 01:06:40 AM
And since it's a reboot, it might not have much to say about the "original" series.
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Post by: D_Average on September 11, 2009, 01:58:23 AM
Not only do HD visuals help me to escape, but laying back and twiddling my thumbs are a perfect combo. Having to constantly waggle, smack, whack and find the right spot for the IR detection is a constant, annoying, drag back to boring ole reality. The controller is my perfect drug.
The whole backlash against HD visuals is really, really, lame. Had the Wii been in HD, nobody would bash HD. Most people bash it, b/c their favorite console ignored it. For many people, impressive, HD visuals, create a feeling of wonder and immersion. Which is why I'll pick up the recently released Dirt 2 on the PS3 rather than Wii.
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Post by: broodwars on September 11, 2009, 04:36:15 AM
Not only do HD visuals help me to escape, but laying back and twiddling my thumbs are a perfect combo. Having to constantly waggle, smack, whack and find the right spot for the IR detection is a constant, annoying, drag back to boring ole reality. The controller is my perfect drug.
In all fairness, I would have really loved to play Dead Space with Wiimote controls. There are sections of the game that are brutally difficult to aim in with an analog stick and a tiny laser reticule.
But yeah, that's my impression of the backlash against the HD systems: people convince themselves that HD means nothing because they don't have it. I've seen ugly games and bad games on all platforms, so it's nonsense to assign a stigma to a graphics resolution.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 11, 2009, 05:12:11 AM
Not only do HD visuals help me to escape, but laying back and twiddling my thumbs are a perfect combo. Having to constantly waggle, smack, whack and find the right spot for the IR detection is a constant, annoying, drag back to boring ole reality. The controller is my perfect drug.
In all fairness, I would have really loved to play Dead Space with Wiimote controls. There are sections of the game that are brutally difficult to aim in with an analog stick and a tiny laser reticule.
But yeah, that's my impression of the backlash against the HD systems: people convince themselves that HD means nothing because they don't have it. I've seen ugly games and bad games on all platforms, so it's nonsense to assign a stigma to a graphics resolution.
I primarily attach a stigma because I hate the graphical style used in most HD games. I prefer a more whimsical looking game and the fact is that most of those kinds of games are on Wii. I prefer colors over brown/realism. I do include Fable II though because it has a very Zelda esque vibe to the visuals, so I appreciate that.
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Post by: broodwars on September 11, 2009, 05:24:05 AM
Wow, I just downloaded Silent Hill, and damn I'd forgotten how ugly PS1 graphics could be when they're not made by Square. -_-' Incidentally, if anyone else is interested in checking this game out, make sure to turn Smoothing OFF in the System Settings or the game becomes unplayable with massive slowdown.
As for Silent Hill 1 vs. the Shattered Memories remake, from where I stand I think I'll probably appreciate the remake more if I've played the original version first so I have a basis for comparison. Besides, there are certain aspects of the Silent Hill mythos I've been curious about for a while now that were apparently only covered in the first game, and I get the feeling those are going to be "reimagined" out of the remake.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 11, 2009, 06:37:58 AM
But I can assign a price to it, avoid it, and dismiss it as a big fat waste.
I could've skipped this gen if Wii was tagged at $350 or more. "The hell with that," the sales tax alone on more expensive machines was approaching/exceeding the price of a new game... (so I bought a launch Wii with enough games and accessories to equal a retail value of a launch PS3)
Then there's the HD game prices... $60-current-inflation-dollars for high-profile single player action games (some of them notoriously short and shallow?)!? Shorter, less worthwhile games debuted on the Super Nintendo for $70-$80 when the U.S. dollar was stronger back then! I thought the success of PS2's value-oriented, early-drepreciated game line-up convinced everyone that $50 is a magick friendly number that shouldn't be exceeded? Why is **** going backwards toward the crazy high-priced era? I once hoped we've come to a point where games were priced for regular people considering the entertainment potential it provided over other forms of media, but it turned out to be fantasy.
HD resolution was never the real problem, per se. The problem was/is all the lump sum of all the sickening things the high-price excessive tech entertainment industry stands for, and how it butts heads with individuals' values, including myself. From that point on THEN I can start to weigh-in on the entertainment library offered by each gaming platform. I give my $$$ and attention to a platform in the first place with the intent of having a healthy library of games for it, for the sake of having a variety of new experiences to sample from that's *unique* to the platform; it ties in with my collector-gamer personality. When a platforms' offerings aren't compelling as a whole (especially when the library smells of "last-gen's game formulas with prettier graphics") it's quite easy to dismiss it and feel like I'm saving money, since skipping out on a "gem" of a game or two means I won't be spending money on a "$300 game" or a "$600 game."
And the "couch" games exist on all platforms. Wii has brought the most physical gaming experiences I've ever had, and the most relaxing ones as well (getting different titles do different jobs, wink wink). I've spent over a hundred hours amongst a couple RPGs (non-casual, hurrr), sitting in a recliner, with both my arms hanging over the sides in lax vegetative form thanks the separation afforded by the Wii-chuk scheme. I play Brawl (well I used to play this game) by resting my right elbow on my couch's armrest, leaning and resting my face on my right fist while holding the remote, with my left arm limp on the seat beside my leg as I'm Nunchukking the analog stick -- a remarkably unusual sense of comfort while gaming, I can even stretch my arms in different directions a bit without interrupting gameplay! (and I've soundly defeated everyone I've played on this forum at one occasion or another; yeah, poor me who doesn't use the proper traditional controllers).
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: EasyCure on September 11, 2009, 10:01:42 AM
While I agree that irrational fanboy HD hate is stupid, you cannot deny that with these prettier graphics there seem to be more and more "me too!" games when it comes to style. Sure there are games that aren't the stereotypical shades of BrownHDTM, but you know what they say... most stereotypes have a basis in fact. High-end graphical output doesn't mean everygame has to have such a realistic look to it, but unfortunately thats what we've gotten; for every Banjo Kazooie 3 there's a dozen gritty bald space marines.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 11, 2009, 12:27:15 PM
While I agree that irrational fanboy HD hate is stupid, you cannot deny that with these prettier graphics there seem to be more and more "me too!" games when it comes to style. Sure there are games that aren't the stereotypical shades of BrownHDTM, but you know what they say... most stereotypes have a basis in fact. High-end graphical output doesn't mean everygame has to have such a realistic look to it, but unfortunately thats what we've gotten; for every Banjo Kazooie 3 there's a dozen gritty bald space marines.
What easycure said. One game I'd point at is Viva Pinata, a beautiful game that benefits from HD graphics but it is also visually creative and engaging.
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Post by: Halbred on September 11, 2009, 12:41:29 PM
Re: Silent Hill
Massive slowdown, huh? It must be a direct port! :-D
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 11, 2009, 12:42:54 PM
Seems kind of ridiculous Sony wouldn't optimize Silent Hill to run well with the smoothing on. Even Nintendo bumped the resolution and framerate with N64 games on VC.
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Post by: EasyCure on September 11, 2009, 12:52:46 PM
Even Nintendo bumped the resolution and framerate with N64 games.
And usually they don't bother with such things, only minor stuff like adding soundbits from one game to a port of another (marios voice in the GBA SMB titles). Big surprise to see Sony not put any extra bit of effort in one of their more recognizable series.
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Post by: Ghisy on September 11, 2009, 07:07:55 PM
I like how the controllers are rechargeable so I don't have to buy a bunch of AA batteries (hint hint, Nintendo)
This is actually what I don't really like about the PS3: basically, when the batteries inside your controller die, you will have to buy a new one. With the Wiimotes, you just have to put new batteries in and you're ready to go!
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Post by: broodwars on September 11, 2009, 07:10:43 PM
I like how the controllers are rechargeable so I don't have to buy a bunch of AA batteries (hint hint, Nintendo)
This is actually what I don't really like about the PS3: basically, when the batteries inside your controller die, you will have to buy a new one. With the Wiimotes, you just have to put new batteries in and you're ready to go!
I'd argue that by the time your Dualshock 2's batteries die for good, you've probably beaten the crap out of it and it needs to be replaced anyway.
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Post by: D_Average on September 11, 2009, 09:25:53 PM
Wow. Best Sony ad I've seen in years, that should move a few units. Quick, slick, to the point, and actually funny. Gotta love the blogger dude wearing the Three Keyboard Cat Moon shirt (http://www.threadless.com/submission/222011/). Nice touch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL1xTcQwu-8&feature=related
Even funnier. They had to edit it. Guess which rarely picked on group was offended. Here is the new version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyVhP46xCQw
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Caliban on September 11, 2009, 09:58:37 PM
You mean they're better than the abstract crap they had that nobody understood.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: broodwars on September 12, 2009, 06:39:34 AM
You mean they're better than the abstract crap they had that nobody understood.
Speaking of "abstract crap", Silent Hill 1 is one strange game...even by the twisted standards of the Silent Hill series. All I have to say is this: Shattered Memories can only improve upon this game, especially in the cast of creatures. It is interesting to see that the falling particles in the original Silent Hill are actually supposed to be snow, not ash like later installments would incorporate. That's one thing apparently the remake will have in common with the original, anyway.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Ghisy on September 13, 2009, 09:18:41 AM
I'd argue that by the time your Dualshock 2's batteries die for good, you've probably beaten the crap out of it and it needs to be replaced anyway.
You would be suprised if I showed you my gaming collection hardware and peripherals. My SNES Capcom Fighting Power Stick is still in awesome condition! ;)
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Post by: NWR_Lindy on September 13, 2009, 07:43:15 PM
I think the WWI joke is funnier than the Nigerian millionaire joke anyways.
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Post by: broodwars on September 13, 2009, 08:19:58 PM
I think the WWI joke is funnier than the Nigerian millionaire joke anyways.
Except that if I'm interpreting the joke correctly, it makes no factual sense. World War I was started by Serbian Terrorists who assassinated Ferdinand of Austria. The Austrian Empire then decided to inflict punishment for his killing upon the entire nation of Serbia with a significant series of demands, which triggered a sequence of events and entangling alliances both religious and political that set off World War I. It wasn't started by misinformation, which is supposed to be the joke and made perfect sense with the "Nigerian Millionaire" version.
It's stuff like this that really bugs me. Sony decided to reference a war that even when it was being waged most people didn't actually understand, and the general masses probably understand it even less now. It's just remembered as "that pointless war that was fought for no apparent reason with no apparent goal" and "that terrible war with trench warfare." Sony could have referenced World War II in this joke and gotten away with it (you could make an argument that Hitler's claims that the Jews in the government were responsible for Germany losing WW1 and thus crippling Germany were classic examples of misinformation driving the masses), but no. That would then piss of the Germans instead, so let's make a reference that most people are going to laugh at without actually understanding it!
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 13, 2009, 09:15:37 PM
Thats the joke.... Sony is spreading the misinformation.... ::quickly retreats back to the Funhouse::
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Post by: NWR_Lindy on September 14, 2009, 01:24:42 PM
The entire joke is the fact that he's completely misinformed, yet he is claiming to be (and considers himself) an authority. Having something be a LOT wrong is funnier than something being just a little wrong (like Wii Music...HEY-OH).
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Post by: vudu on September 14, 2009, 01:48:38 PM
I think the WWI joke is funnier than the Nigerian millionaire joke anyways.
Except that if I'm interpreting the joke correctly, it makes no factual sense. World War I was started by Serbian Terrorists who assassinated Ferdinand of Austria. The Austrian Empire then decided to inflict punishment for his killing upon the entire nation of Serbia with a significant series of demands, which triggered a sequence of events and entangling alliances both religious and political that set off World War I. It wasn't started by misinformation, which is supposed to be the joke and made perfect sense with the "Nigerian Millionaire" version.
It's stuff like this that really bugs me. Sony decided to reference a war that even when it was being waged most people didn't actually understand, and the general masses probably understand it even less now. It's just remembered as "that pointless war that was fought for no apparent reason with no apparent goal" and "that terrible war with trench warfare." Sony could have referenced World War II in this joke and gotten away with it (you could make an argument that Hitler's claims that the Jews in the government were responsible for Germany losing WW1 and thus crippling Germany were classic examples of misinformation driving the masses), but no. That would then piss of the Germans instead, so let's make a reference that most people are going to laugh at without actually understanding it!
The Sony rep claimed that WWI started because of what people read on the Internet. I can't believe you wrote a two paragraph rebuttal.
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Post by: broodwars on September 14, 2009, 01:51:44 PM
I think the WWI joke is funnier than the Nigerian millionaire joke anyways.
Except that if I'm interpreting the joke correctly, it makes no factual sense. World War I was started by Serbian Terrorists who assassinated Ferdinand of Austria. The Austrian Empire then decided to inflict punishment for his killing upon the entire nation of Serbia with a significant series of demands, which triggered a sequence of events and entangling alliances both religious and political that set off World War I. It wasn't started by misinformation, which is supposed to be the joke and made perfect sense with the "Nigerian Millionaire" version.
It's stuff like this that really bugs me. Sony decided to reference a war that even when it was being waged most people didn't actually understand, and the general masses probably understand it even less now. It's just remembered as "that pointless war that was fought for no apparent reason with no apparent goal" and "that terrible war with trench warfare." Sony could have referenced World War II in this joke and gotten away with it (you could make an argument that Hitler's claims that the Jews in the government were responsible for Germany losing WW1 and thus crippling Germany were classic examples of misinformation driving the masses), but no. That would then piss of the Germans instead, so let's make a reference that most people are going to laugh at without actually understanding it!
The Sony rep claimed that WWI started because of what people read on the Internet. I can't believe you wrote a two paragraph rebuttal.
Whatever. Fine, I misinterpreted the joke; we all had a good laugh at my expense; and now we move on. I guess I'm just a little touchy about perceived ignorance regarding that particular conflict because I was just in France a couple years ago visiting WWI historical sites and researching that time period. I still think the original joke was better, though, and that Sony are cowards to cow-tow to Nigeria like that.
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Post by: D_Average on September 14, 2009, 10:31:17 PM
The entire joke is the fact that he's completely misinformed, yet he is claiming to be (and considers himself) an authority. Having something be a LOT wrong is funnier than something being just a little wrong (like Wii Music...HEY-OH).
Yeah. Its a great line. Which is the first version I saw on tv last week. I lol'd.
Even funnier though is learning of the Nigerian response. You just can't make stuff like that up.
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Post by: BwrJim! on September 16, 2009, 11:37:27 AM
"Except that if I'm interpreting the joke correctly, it makes no factual sense."
hehe, over the head..
This is most definatly a play on their factual battles in history that involved giant crabs... .(did ya forget?)
So, for a company taking a jab at itself.. they got some brownie points with that. The WWI joke was awesome.
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Post by: mac<censored> on September 16, 2009, 09:12:03 PM
Just ordered "Uncharted" -- only about $25!
[My final judgement of RE5 -- very solid technically, but ultimately uninspired. RE4 was satisfyingly dank, weird, fun, and interesting, even kinda cheeky, and you felt like they had a great time making it. RE5, on the other hand, felt very by-the-numbers, a sequel turned out for business reasons.]
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Post by: NWR_Lindy on September 18, 2009, 06:11:19 PM
I've never had any desire to pick up RE5. It just seemed...redundant. After RE4 I expected them to take the "next step", but my impression is that they churned out effectively the same game with the addition of an AI buddy.
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Post by: broodwars on September 18, 2009, 07:32:00 PM
I've never had any desire to pick up RE5. It just seemed...redundant. After RE4 I expected them to take the "next step", but my impression is that they churned out effectively the same game with the addition of an AI buddy.
No matter. Dead Space took that "next step" for them with increased control and an actual horror element.
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Post by: DAaaMan64 on September 19, 2009, 07:38:26 PM
I agree the WWI joke was funnier.
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Post by: vudu on September 30, 2009, 03:26:13 PM
So I've tried to sign up for an ID and I keep getting a stupid error message stating The online ID you entered cannot be used. Please choose another online ID. I'm following all the rules (3 to 16 characters, start with a letter, not match my e-mail address or password) and it's still giving me problems. I even picked a random string of letters that couldn't possibly be taken and got the same error message.
What gives?
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Post by: mac<censored> on September 30, 2009, 10:58:54 PM
I'm following all the rules (3 to 16 characters, start with a letter, not match my e-mail address or password)
Why shouldn't it match your email address? Surely that's what most people probably want...
That's how World War II was started?
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Post by: D_Average on October 03, 2009, 02:36:35 PM
For anyone out there still on the fence, is Uncharted 2 pushing you over at all? As good as this game looks to be (Adam Sessler said in the 5/5 G4 review it was the "best single player experience he's ever had"), I don't see it having the same pull as a Gears of War. This is probably due to a lack of space marines and a more meaningful storyline. But who knows, perhaps Sony can find a clever way to advertise it.
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Post by: vudu on October 03, 2009, 03:56:13 PM
For anyone out there still on the fence, is Uncharted 2 pushing you over at all?
Not really. Netflix would push me over the edge.
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Post by: mac<censored> on October 03, 2009, 07:41:57 PM
Surely a lack of space marines (most creaky and pathetic concept ever) is an advantage.
I've just finished playing the original Uncharted, and it's a true gem (it's the real successor to RE4, I think; has much of the same vibe, and way better than RE5).
By all reports Uncharted 2 is significantly better, and that's really saying something...
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Post by: broodwars on October 03, 2009, 07:48:47 PM
I've just finished playing the original Uncharted, and it's a true gem (it's the real successor to RE4, I think; has much of the same vibe, and way better than RE5).
By all reports Uncharted 2 is significantly better, and that's really saying something...
I wouldn't call Uncharted a successor to RE4, as it's a very different kind of game mostly based on taking cover and killing hoards of armed opponents boasting supernatural aim. A much better example of an RE4 successor is Dead Space, which is a very similar game but with the addition of being able to move while aiming.
As for the original Uncharted, I thought it was alright but nothing special outside of the dialogue and music. I have a lot of problems with the monotony of spending 20 minutes behind a stone column fighting off endless waves of goons, and from the looks of it the only thing Uncharted 2 does different in that respect is that instead of spending 20 minutes behind one column it's broken up into 5-10 minute chunks behind multiple columns. It doesn't fix the underlying problem that having to go behind cover and fight off wave after wave of goons isn't interesting when you have to stop and do it every 5 frickin' steps. Still, the reviews of the second game have me definitely looking towards picking it up sooner rather than later.
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Post by: D_Average on October 04, 2009, 01:27:50 AM
I've just finished playing the original Uncharted, and it's a true gem (it's the real successor to RE4, I think; has much of the same vibe, and way better than RE5).
By all reports Uncharted 2 is significantly better, and that's really saying something...
I have a lot of problems with the monotony of spending 20 minutes behind a stone column fighting off endless waves of goons
I totally hear you there, that drove me nuts! But I think they adjusted that, I've played a couple co-op levels from the beta and demo, and badies aren't nearly the sponges they once were.
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Post by: mac<censored> on October 04, 2009, 03:41:14 AM
I've just finished playing the original Uncharted, and it's a true gem (it's the real successor to RE4, I think; has much of the same vibe, and way better than RE5).
By all reports Uncharted 2 is significantly better, and that's really saying something...
I wouldn't call Uncharted a successor to RE4, as it's a very different kind of game mostly based on taking cover and killing hoards of armed opponents boasting supernatural aim.
I disagree; I've played though both many times, and they have a very similar vibe. Despite the nominal attachment to the RE universe, RE4 has far, far, more "fight off waves of goons" gameplay than it does horror or whatever. Like uncharted, it's essentially a shooting game that puts you on a linear trip through a bunch of beautifully designed set-pieces for the above goon-fighting.
The fact that most of the baddies in RE4 don't have projectile weapons does mean there's less hiding behind cover and more running around, but in stages where many do have projectile weapons, you actually do a lot of hiding and sniping from cover too (you very quickly die if you don't). Ammo management is a very important part of both games. RE4 mostly doesn't have the platforming, of course.
Both are notable doing a very good job of hiding the linear stage-based nature behind a lot of gorgeous architecture with a unifying sense of a larger map (RE5 falls down badly here -- it doesn't do a good job of setting the stages into a larger whole, so it feels much more constricting, like you're being herded through a bunch of sets).
One very notable difference is that RE4 (and 5) have bosses whereas Uncharted doesn't.
Uncharted does have a better sense of immersion, with the lack of things like a map, inventory, shops ,etc, and has better enemy (and partner) AI.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 04, 2009, 08:59:21 PM
And add the PS3 Slim(or older version) to your cart. In the promotional codes, put in:
* 930354 (takes $10 off your total) * 931073 (20% off your order, only can be used for 1 item)
The total will come to $229.99 but you have to pay for shipping and tax. I am unaware of any promo codes for free shipping. For me, it came out to $257 after that. This is still a great price for a PS3 and you can use up your gift cards from the Batman deal etc. The promo codes can't be used on 360's or Wiis. It can be used on the Nintendo DSi.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 10, 2009, 12:18:34 PM
Okay, I'm seriously considering picking up a PS3 this week but I'm too lazy to do my own research. I already own a 360 and would prefer to play most multiplatform games on that, so I'm looking for PS3 exclusives that I should be thinking about. I'm already looking at Uncharted, Little Big Planet, MLB The Show, and Valkyria Chronicles and I'm not interested in MGS; is there anything good I'm missing.
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Post by: D_Average on October 10, 2009, 01:08:49 PM
Okay, I'm seriously considering picking up a PS3 this week but I'm too lazy to do my own research. I already own a 360 and would prefer to play most multiplatform games on that, so I'm looking for PS3 exclusives that I should be thinking about. I'm already looking at Uncharted, Little Big Planet, MLB The Show, and Valkyria Chronicles and I'm not interested in MGS; is there anything good I'm missing.
Be sure to check the Toys R Us ad tomorrow then, there may be buy 2 get one free on all console games.
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Post by: vudu on October 10, 2009, 05:28:45 PM
There are a lot of downloadable exclusives on PSN, but I'm sure I don't have to tell you about those. ;)
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Post by: Caliban on October 10, 2009, 10:26:49 PM
Okay, I'm seriously considering picking up a PS3 this week but I'm too lazy to do my own research. I already own a 360 and would prefer to play most multiplatform games on that, so I'm looking for PS3 exclusives that I should be thinking about. I'm already looking at Uncharted, Little Big Planet, MLB The Show, and Valkyria Chronicles and I'm not interested in MGS; is there anything good I'm missing.
Ratchet and Clank A Crack In Time is coming out towards the end of this month, but there's also Tools Of Destruction which is $29.99.
Super Stardust HD, and The Last Guy from the PSN. I think they both have a demo.
I have yet to try Demon's Souls, but it's been getting some good reviews.
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Post by: mac<censored> on October 10, 2009, 10:51:49 PM
I have yet to try Demon's Souls, but it's been getting some good reviews.
The consensus seems fairly clear on that one: it's an interesting, pretty, and well done game, that's so insanely hard it will have you bleeding through your eyeballs just to press <start> at the beginning. Everything kills you, it's incredibly easy to die, dying punts you back to the beginning of the level (and often causes you to lose everything), levels are not easy to get through and you often end up dying near the end, and.... dying, in some cases, causes the game difficulty to increase. Also you can't pause the game.
That guy who finished uncharted in 6 hours should eat it up tho...
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Post by: D_Average on October 10, 2009, 11:39:22 PM
I have yet to try Demon's Souls, but it's been getting some good reviews.
The consensus seems fairly clear on that one: it's an interesting, pretty, and well done game, that's so insanely hard it will have you bleeding through your eyeballs just to press <start> at the beginning. Everything kills you, it's incredibly easy to die, dying punts you back to the beginning of the level (and often causes you to lose everything), levels are not easy to get through and you often end up dying near the end, and.... dying, in some cases, causes the game difficulty to increase. Also you can't pause the game.
That guy who finished uncharted in 6 hours should eat it up tho...
Huh, not sure how I missed this title, but it looks pretty good.
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Post by: Caliban on October 10, 2009, 11:47:48 PM
dying punts you back to the beginning of the level (and often causes you to lose everything)
You can go back to where you died and collect your stuff, but the same enemy that killed you will still be there, and if you die a second time you will definitely loose everything.
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Post by: broodwars on October 10, 2009, 11:49:18 PM
I have yet to try Demon's Souls, but it's been getting some good reviews.
The consensus seems fairly clear on that one: it's an interesting, pretty, and well done game, that's so insanely hard it will have you bleeding through your eyeballs just to press <start> at the beginning. Everything kills you, it's incredibly easy to die, dying punts you back to the beginning of the level (and often causes you to lose everything), levels are not easy to get through and you often end up dying near the end, and.... dying, in some cases, causes the game difficulty to increase. Also you can't pause the game.
That guy who finished uncharted in 6 hours should eat it up tho...
All reasons (and more) that I'm steadfastly ignoring Demon's Souls. Sorry, but Atlus can have my money again when they put Persona 5 on the PS3. I don't need something that looks that uninteresting and that difficult clogging up my backlog.
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Post by: Halbred on October 12, 2009, 03:13:52 PM
I forget what the subgenre is called, but Demon's Souls looks a lot like that dungeon crawler I reviewed on the DS last year. Remember that one? With the girl with the huge rack? Izuma, that's it. Izuma 2. You die all the time but keep the XP. It is a genre I despise.
I forgot about R&C. Now I'm going to be totally broke. Tomorrow I'm grabbing Brutal Legend, and I hope to get Batman and/or Call of Duty 4 2 for my birthday. Maybe I'll get some money from the grandparents, and I can use THAT on R&C. Crap, that's a helluva backlog.
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Post by: NWR_Lindy on October 13, 2009, 09:41:16 PM
All you Demon's Souls haters need to get in the Waaaaaaahmbulance. ;-) Great game, but not for the feint of heart.
As for exclusives...
Folklore Motorstorm: Pacific Rift Infamous Resistance: Fall of Man (I prefer it to Resistance 2, but I like both titles) Soldner-X (side-scrolling shooter) Hot Shots Golf: Out of Bounds (the only Mario Golf game this generation, totally awesome) Warhawk (forgotten classic, very good Battlefield 1942-ish online game that still has an active, dedicated community)
I would toss Gran Turismo 5: Prologue on here, but it will shortly be redundant with GT5 coming out.
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Post by: Stogi on October 13, 2009, 09:45:23 PM
^All those games (except hot shots) suck
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Post by: D_Average on October 14, 2009, 12:38:08 AM
I would toss Gran Turismo 5: Prologue on here, but it will shortly be redundant with GT5 coming out.
I'm a bit concerned now for GT 5 now that the PSP game has launched. Its pretty much a disaster after 5 years. But then again, I enjoyed Prologue, so as long as they build on top of that, it should be pretty hard to screw it up. Rookie PSP mistake I suppose.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 14, 2009, 03:16:49 PM
All you Demon's Souls haters need to get in the Waaaaaaahmbulance. ;-) Great game, but not for the feint of heart.
As for exclusives...
Folklore Motorstorm: Pacific Rift Infamous Resistance: Fall of Man (I prefer it to Resistance 2, but I like both titles) Soldner-X (side-scrolling shooter) Hot Shots Golf: Out of Bounds (the only Mario Golf game this generation, totally awesome) Warhawk (forgotten classic, very good Battlefield 1942-ish online game that still has an active, dedicated community)
I would toss Gran Turismo 5: Prologue on here, but it will shortly be redundant with GT5 coming out.
I got Infamous. I didn't get Resistance because I didn't want more than one FPS. I don't think I could bring myself to play a golf game with a standard controller after playing Tiger Woods 10 with Motion Plus. I'm planning on getting Motorstorm: Pacific Rift tomorrow when I get Uncharted 2. I would have already bought Warhawk if there were any kind of single-player component, even just bots.
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Post by: D_Average on October 14, 2009, 05:14:38 PM
I still don't get Hot Shots golf. I tried the demo and it was just ok, but I wasn't hooked. Bad demo perhaps?
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Post by: vudu on October 26, 2009, 02:07:03 PM
For anyone out there still on the fence, is Uncharted 2 pushing you over at all?
Not really. Netflix would push me over the edge.
Netflix Streaming Coming to PlayStation 3 (http://pixlbit.com/news?action=showNewsArticle&newsArticleId=398)
Damnit. Now I need $300.
But do you need the disc in the drive the entire time, or only to install it the first time?
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Post by: Halbred on October 26, 2009, 06:24:15 PM
Good question, I'm curious about that, too.
I just nabbed the first Uncharted. I'm psyched, but I need to finish Corruption (almost done) and start Spyborgs (I'm reviewing it) and maybe get a bit farther in Brutal Legend before I get into it heavily.
Unless it's a short game. Is it short? Uncharted, I mean. Can I blow through it in a couple of days?
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Post by: broodwars on October 26, 2009, 06:36:56 PM
I just nabbed the first Uncharted. I'm psyched, but I need to finish Corruption (almost done) and start Spyborgs (I'm reviewing it) and maybe get a bit farther in Brutal Legend before I get into it heavily.
Unless it's a short game. Is it short? Uncharted, I mean. Can I blow through it in a couple of days?
You can easily blow through both Uncharted games in a couple days. They're both relatively short games, at about 8-10 hours apiece.
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Post by: hylianhero5249 on October 26, 2009, 07:07:16 PM
Okay, I'm seriously considering picking up a PS3 this week but I'm too lazy to do my own research. I already own a 360 and would prefer to play most multiplatform games on that, so I'm looking for PS3 exclusives that I should be thinking about. I'm already looking at Uncharted, Little Big Planet, MLB The Show, and Valkyria Chronicles and I'm not interested in MGS; is there anything good I'm missing.
Killzone 2, Gran Turismo 5 Prologue. Both Motorstorms, Resistance 1 and 2, SOCOM, and Warhawk,
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Post by: vudu on October 26, 2009, 07:47:46 PM
But do you need the disc in the drive the entire time, or only to install it the first time?
It's my understanding that you need the disc in the drive in order to stream Netflix. It's rumored/assumed that Microsoft has an exclusive on an in-dash application. It's been hinted that Netflix steaming could be updated to be an installed application sometime down the line, which means that exclusivity is timed.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 26, 2009, 07:55:46 PM
Speaking of streaming Netflix, I checked out the Nintendo channel last nite (game times to follow), but if the High Quality videos on the Nintendo channel are anything to go by, then Netflix shouldn't be all that hard to accomplish on the Wii.
They were very clear and they all loaded fairly quickly. With as many Wiis as there are PS360's out there, I don't see whats taking them so long to get this rolled out as quickly as possible.
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Post by: Halbred on October 26, 2009, 08:09:59 PM
Lindy said he won't have time or something. It's understandable, and I like reviewing games, so it was a win-win.
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Post by: D_Average on October 27, 2009, 03:14:03 AM
I just nabbed the first Uncharted. I'm psyched, but I need to finish Corruption (almost done) and start Spyborgs (I'm reviewing it) and maybe get a bit farther in Brutal Legend before I get into it heavily.
Unless it's a short game. Is it short? Uncharted, I mean. Can I blow through it in a couple of days?
Oh yeah. Easily. But be prepared for massive bullet sponges.
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Post by: Stogi on October 27, 2009, 11:58:36 AM
Unless it's a short game. Is it short? Uncharted, I mean. Can I blow through it in a couple of days?
Most definitely. I had a friend blow through it in an afternoon.
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Post by: Halbred on October 27, 2009, 01:15:12 PM
Played it last night for about an hour and a half. I love it! Very cinematic, though I see what you guys mean when you say "goon areas." They just keep coming! I wouldn't say any of them are "bullet sponges" (I'm good with the headshots) but man oh man, you fight like four rounds of five guys at a time.
I just discovered the plane wreckage. I think I killed like twenty guys. I've already got a bunch of kill achievements. I have to get used to how the grenades handle.
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Post by: D_Average on October 27, 2009, 02:14:21 PM
For some reason the Uncharted games ate my fav for headshots. They get even better in two.
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Post by: vudu on October 27, 2009, 02:34:24 PM
I just discovered the plane wreckage. I think I killed like twenty guys.
Even more fun on "crushing" difficulty! :o
They seemed to have spent a lot of time fine-tuning the fight areas. I've noticed that they designed many of them so that's often impossible to hole up and just snipe -- no matter where you hide, you usually have to watch your back too because they enemies will most definitely be trying to sneak up behind you (and even when there are such hidey holes, you usually have to leave them and expose your self at some point to advance through the fight) -- but there's enough cover so that with care and a bit of skill, you can always manage to do it.
The checkpoint frequency also seems spot on, so that when you do die, although it's annoying, you feel psyched to try again instead of screaming and tossing the ps3 out the window (games where you have to replay huge portions of the level just drive me nuts). I think this is the main reason why I rarely felt frustrated, despite the slightly absurd wave-after-wave-of-bad-guys feel of some fights. On "hard" and "crushing" it got more frustrating, but never became impossible.
The fact that the characters actually reflect the absurdity seems kinda cool too (lots of dialog like "where are all these guys coming from?!")
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Post by: broodwars on October 27, 2009, 11:51:05 PM
I just discovered the plane wreckage. I think I killed like twenty guys.
Even more fun on "crushing" difficulty! :o
They seemed to have spent a lot of time fine-tuning the fight areas. I've noticed that they designed many of them so that's often impossible to hole up and just snipe
I spent my entire "Crushing" run doing nothing but baiting those morons into running into my "one entrance" hiding place so I could punch them to death (or blind fire my shotgun at point-blank range for an instant kill), and then snipe the others from right where I was. The only times you can't get away with that are in the huge, wide-open arenas towards the end, where you pretty much die until you get the exact right sequence of enemies to kill to prevent them from sneaking around you and one shot-ing you with a shotgun. In general, I found Uncharted 1 to be extremely defense-oriented without a great deal of room to experiment with moving around the arenas. You can only take a couple shots without dying, and it doesn't take long for enemies to severely flank you.
And yes, Crushing difficulty on Uncharted 1 is beyond brutal and well into unfair. I only ever got through it by exploiting the AI and programming glitches (the water room, anyone?).
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Post by: hylianhero5249 on November 01, 2009, 05:56:04 PM
I am getting a PS3 Slim, since it will be my first PS3. If I already had a PS3 though, I would still probably buy a Slim, since I am a new-hardware whore.
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on November 01, 2009, 06:21:51 PM
All you Demon's Souls haters need to get in the Waaaaaaahmbulance. ;-) Great game, but not for the feint of heart.
As for exclusives...
Folklore Motorstorm: Pacific Rift Infamous Resistance: Fall of Man (I prefer it to Resistance 2, but I like both titles) Soldner-X (side-scrolling shooter) Hot Shots Golf: Out of Bounds (the only Mario Golf game this generation, totally awesome) Warhawk (forgotten classic, very good Battlefield 1942-ish online game that still has an active, dedicated community)
I pretty much agree with Lindy except with Hot Shots Golf being the only Mario Golf game this generation. We Love Golf (http://www.amazon.com/We-Love-Golf-Nintendo-Wii/dp/B0016BUPMU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1257117717&sr=8-1) for Wii is also very similar to Mario Golf and it's made by Camelot who made Mario Golf ;). It was one of the first online enabled golf games on Wii.
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Post by: Halbred on November 02, 2009, 01:39:04 PM
Just beat Uncharted last night. Great game, though it started getting a little gun-heavy toward the end. I really enjoyed the platforming elements. The gunplay was good, but like I said, a little too much of it toward the end. Overall it's a wonderful game, with great, subtle character animations. Elena could use a few more cup sizes, I'm just sayin'.
Very much felt like an action movie. I kind of wished the zombie Spaniards in the generator room were zombie Nazis, though. That would've been OFF THE CHAIN.
I'll be starting Uncharted 2 pretty soon. My brother let me borrow it.
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Post by: D_Average on November 03, 2009, 02:02:24 AM
Elena could use a few more cup sizes, I'm just sayin'.
They made up for it with the backside n legs. Hottest game character to date. Easily.... ;)
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: Halbred on November 03, 2009, 02:21:39 PM
I don't think you're giving Jade from BG&E her due.
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: D_Average on November 03, 2009, 06:09:09 PM
Very true. "Jade wins. Finish him.". Anytime....
Title: Re: Who is going to buy a PS3 Slim?
Post by: vudu on November 09, 2009, 01:58:50 PM
Anyone get their Netflix disc last week? How's it work?
From the little bit that I've read it seems like it works okay but you can tell it's a 1.0 product--there's quite a bit to be desired about the functionality.
I haven't seen resolution addressed anywhere--I know you can stream in HD, but what's the resolution? 1080p? 1080i? 720p?
