Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 26, 2007, 07:53:22 AM
Post by: Mashiro on July 26, 2007, 08:08:37 AM
Capcom is going to hell if they don't release this on Wii. Come on Capcom RE4 proves Wii is the best system to handle the gameplay of the RE franchise . . .
Edit: because it is not on Wii it will never be the greatest thing ever, just a watered down RE experience =P
Post by: Arbok on July 26, 2007, 08:41:29 AM
My hope, though, is that the temptation of money gets Capcom to pull a RE4 for the PS2 with it to maximize profits.
Post by: Mashiro on July 26, 2007, 08:44:42 AM
Plus, I can't see ever playing another RE game without a Wiimote. It just isn't right.
Post by: Kairon on July 26, 2007, 08:45:22 AM
Too bad I will hate the control scheme since it won't use the wiimote aiming, and too bad the protagonist isn't African. For some inexplicable reason I'm getting this "White Man goes to Africa, saves the world" vibe that's similar to Tom Cruise in the last samurai... "White man goes to Japan, redeems samurai culture."
Post by: Arbok on July 26, 2007, 08:48:11 AM
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Yeah I am hoping the same Arbok. It looks graphically great but I don't think it'll need to be toned down too much for Wii to be able to handle it.
It probably will be rather significant due to the number of enemies on screen at one time, if it were to happen. I could more than handle a significant decrease in graphics, though, if it saved me from having to buy a whole new system.
Post by: Mashiro on July 26, 2007, 08:53:13 AM
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It probably will be rather significant due to the number of enemies on screen at one time, if it were to happen.
Maybe but do we know for sure? Have developers REALLY pushed the Wii to it's limits yet?
Not really, only time will tell what it can handle =) (I know you said probably but I think the Wii could handle a lot of enemies on screen, I do).
Post by: Arbok on July 26, 2007, 09:02:56 AM
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Not really, only time will tell what it can handle =) (I know you said probably but I think the Wii could handle a lot of enemies on screen, I do).
I do as well, but WITH a significant decrease to the graphics to better handle it.
Post by: Mashiro on July 26, 2007, 09:04:40 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on July 26, 2007, 09:08:29 AM
Post by: Ghisy on July 26, 2007, 09:14:44 AM
I want this game, I need it!
Damn you Microsoft!
Post by: Ceric on July 26, 2007, 10:10:57 AM
Post by: Arbok on July 26, 2007, 10:15:19 AM
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Though it looks a lot like RE4 in Africa.
About the jist of it, but are you really surprised? I mean it's Capcom... you will have to wait till RE8 before they change up the series again in a major way.
Post by: Ceric on July 26, 2007, 10:24:25 AM
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Post by: Mashiro on July 26, 2007, 12:58:16 PM
but yeah still for the love of God Capcom PLEASE give us RE5. You know it in your hearts to be the only way to make RE5 a true masterpiece (by putting it on the Wii!)
Post by: Caliban on July 26, 2007, 01:09:11 PM
Post by: Mario on July 26, 2007, 01:39:01 PM
Post by: capamerica on July 26, 2007, 05:00:21 PM
If the PS2 could get a downgraded version of RE4 why can't the Wii get a downgraded version of RE5?
If all else fails I guess I can always pick it up for my Xbox360
Post by: IceCold on July 26, 2007, 06:13:35 PM
It wasn't really a problem when I played RE4 on the Cube, but hell, the aiming in the trailer looks even more sluggish than the original RE4. Plus, I've been spoiled by the pointer, so give me a Wii version or give me death Capcom!
Post by: Adrock on July 26, 2007, 07:07:07 PM
2. Since RE5 will never be made for Wii, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Capcom does, in fact, make a brand new RE game with RE4:WE controls. Maybe a side-story, but within series canon.
3. Honestly, RE5 just looks like a prettier RE4. I doubt it'll wow me as much as RE4 first did back in 2005. Don't get me wrong. That's not a bad thing. I'll probably buy RE5 on 360 when it comes out, but I can't see myself being blown away by the game.
Post by: Stogi on July 26, 2007, 07:21:41 PM
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That was a pretty good trailer. The Sony and MS Press conferences would have been so much better if they showed that in its entirety because it was so well done.
Too bad I will hate the control scheme since it won't use the wiimote aiming, and too bad the protagonist isn't African. For some inexplicable reason I'm getting this "White Man goes to Africa, saves the world" vibe that's similar to Tom Cruise in the last samurai... "White man goes to Japan, redeems samurai culture."
You know that's exactly what I thought, and it's a damn shame too. A black man would have fit in so much better. Anyway, what pisses me off is that I can imagine racist motherf#ckers like my past roommate yelling racial slurs as this white dude on-screen kills like a hundred Africans.
That and why is this dude look like he has the Ebola virus?
Still, the game looks great. I love the animation. It looks so hectic and life-like (my favorite part is when he throws a guy off, steps up, and knocks him out).
Oh and BRANDOGG: SHORTEN THE LINK IT"S BREAKING THE TABLE. USE THE HTML TAG AND CHANGE THE LINK INTO A WORD.
Post by: Mashiro on July 26, 2007, 08:13:13 PM
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Graphics aside, I was actually put off by that trailer.. After seeing Pro's videos of RE4:Wii, I was like "Damn, this aiming looks clunky" when they showed the actual gameplay.
It wasn't really a problem when I played RE4 on the Cube, but hell, the aiming in the trailer looks even more sluggish than the original RE4. Plus, I've been spoiled by the pointer, so give me a Wii version or give me death Capcom!
As you can tell from my prior posts I feel the same way.
I find myself thinking "man if I even had a 360 or PS3 would I really enjoy the game knowing that superior controls rest on the Wii?". Sadly I don't think I would. Oh well.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 27, 2007, 04:08:02 PM
Post by: bustin98 on July 27, 2007, 06:01:35 PM
I'd bet that Capcom is closely watching the sales of RE4 on Wii, then the sales of Umbrella Chronicles. If RE4 out performs UC, what kind of message does that send to Capcom? Well, now that I said it, I'm thinking they'll say 'Silly Wii owners prefer ports to original content'. Of course they won't say 'Silly Wii owners prefer action games to On Rail pseudo lightgun games'.
I'm not holding my breathe for RE5 on Wii, but I would hazard a guess at another action title in the RE universe.
Post by: Arbok on July 27, 2007, 06:10:00 PM
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I'm not holding my breathe for RE5 on Wii, but I would hazard a guess at another action title in the RE universe.
Resident Evil: Pinball, a Wii exclusive. Players can now experience RE1-3 AGAIN, except this time enhanced by the break neck excitement that only a survival horror themed pinball game could induce!
....hey, we were all thinking it.
Post by: Stogi on July 27, 2007, 07:55:21 PM
They would definitely do something like that.
Post by: EasyCure on July 28, 2007, 08:28:49 AM
i'd love for this game to come to wii because it does look like RE4 just prettier and i loved RE4 with wii controls. I never played the original GC version but i can only imagine how clumsy i'd be with analog stick aiming (something i never liked doing save for OoT and Goldeneye007).
with that said though.. i have to repeat this.. it looks like RE4 just prettier...
are they doing anything good gameply wise? what about story wise, is it going to be Las Plagas all over again or will they actually come up with some new reason why these guys are zombified? even a slightly new mechanic like not having every NPC a 'zombie' could set this apart from RE4. Imagine not being able to tell who is evil and who is innocent and being penalized (sp?) for killing innocents, or having to rescue a few hostages. i wouldnt want it to became a "save all hostages or you fail" affair but it would be great if it would add a litle bit of stratagy to the game. do i save this hostage so i can get a particular item i need or some ammo? or do i let him die and have yet another enemy trying to rip me to peices when im already low on ammo and health?
How about some sort of team mechanic thats a mix of RE0 and RE4, where you can save a particular innocent and have him follow you the way Ashley does and you can give him your "follow me" and "wait' commands, but also have him attack or switch on the fly. You can leave chris somewhere safe and have your new teammate scout ahead with only a blunt melee weapon, then you can let him live or die depending on the situation. you can use him as a distraction; get the attention of the villagers and have them chase you away from an important door then when they're far enough switch back to chris and watch them tear apart the guy you just used as bait while you make it to the door safe. Or have him go in, sneak up to some lever or button you'd have to access and leave him ready to press/pull or whatever while you go in as chris and take out the threat?
some small tweak like that could seperate this title from not just RE4 but all its predecessors. That would make it a must have, if not.. all i'd be missing is an RE4 clone set in africa with prettier graphics.
Post by: EasyCure on July 28, 2007, 08:33:09 AM
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Too bad I will hate the control scheme since it won't use the wiimote aiming, and too bad the protagonist isn't African. For some inexplicable reason I'm getting this "White Man goes to Africa, saves the world" vibe that's similar to Tom Cruise in the last samurai... "White man goes to Japan, redeems samurai culture."
You know that's exactly what I thought, and it's a damn shame too. A black man would have fit in so much better. Anyway, what pisses me off is that I can imagine racist motherf#ckers like my past roommate yelling racial slurs as this white dude on-screen kills like a hundred Africans.
sadly i see that happening too. the first time i saw re4 at a friends house he did that with the Spanish villagers, yelling out obcenities and calling them Mexicans and using racials slurs for hispanics.. yet we were both hispanics so it was pretty stupid, but i can see where actually racist would have a feildday with this and would probably buy it just so they can do that... sigh
Post by: Stogi on July 28, 2007, 09:02:31 AM
I like the idea of not telling who is evil and who is innocent. That could add confusion to the already intense atmosphere.
Post by: EasyCure on July 28, 2007, 09:15:34 AM
this new game is set in Africa in seems to be an overpopulated village (this is going by the poor setting they are portraying as well as the massive amount of people), so why cant some of that population NOT be affect by whatever is making the rest of these "zombies" what they are?
i dont know the story behind it or anything but i would hate for it to be another situation of 'look its an outside, get him!" Like i said RE4 was slightly believable because the village was clearly isolated and Los Illuminados made it clear to its citizens that Leon was coming for Ashley. If they copy + paste that into RE5 i'll be highly dissappointed and wouldnt be all that hurt if i didnt get the chance to play it (i dont see myself buying a 360). if they had anything close to what i mentioned, it'll be harder to resist since it will be something NEW to the gameplay.
Post by: Kairon on July 28, 2007, 09:42:28 AM
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Too bad I will hate the control scheme since it won't use the wiimote aiming, and too bad the protagonist isn't African. For some inexplicable reason I'm getting this "White Man goes to Africa, saves the world" vibe that's similar to Tom Cruise in the last samurai... "White man goes to Japan, redeems samurai culture."
You know that's exactly what I thought, and it's a damn shame too. A black man would have fit in so much better. Anyway, what pisses me off is that I can imagine racist motherf#ckers like my past roommate yelling racial slurs as this white dude on-screen kills like a hundred Africans.
sadly i see that happening too. the first time i saw re4 at a friends house he did that with the Spanish villagers, yelling out obcenities and calling them Mexicans and using racials slurs for hispanics.. yet we were both hispanics so it was pretty stupid, but i can see where actually racist would have a feildday with this and would probably buy it just so they can do that... sigh
Yeah. I... I don't think this is intentional on the developer's part. They're just thinking that they need to plug their story characters into exotic settings. Unfortunately, they seem ignorant of the messages their games are sending when viewed in certain lights. I actually love the African setting, I was afraid it would be too "Constant Gardener" for me, but it grew on me, especially when you think that the whole "Zombie" mythos actually was born from Afircan superstitions.
And yeah, why is Chris so TOTALLY buff? Steroids indeed.
Post by: EasyCure on July 28, 2007, 10:14:51 AM
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especially when you think that the whole "Zombie" mythos actually was born from Afircan superstitions.
wow i completely forgot about that. i remember watching some weird history channel special about it (history channel<3) I wonder if they'll include that into the story.
about throwing their characters into exotic settings, i agree it is unintentional that they have a white man going into Africa and killing what appears to be predominately black africans i'm not trying to be anti-PC by using the term "black" but there are white citizens in African countries so putting a color on a people is crucial for this argument about possible race issues, but after hearing about the Zack and Wiki controversy then watching this trailer.. i thought to myself "maybe capcom is intentionally trying to piss off the world one nation/race at a time"
Post by: Mashiro on July 28, 2007, 10:20:46 AM
Post by: EasyCure on July 28, 2007, 10:32:56 AM
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That Zack and Wiki controversy is just bull. God people have way too much time on their hands and are just way too sensitive about stuff.
agreed
Post by: Kairon on July 28, 2007, 10:55:22 AM
Post by: EasyCure on July 28, 2007, 11:08:03 AM
to be honest i didnt even realize the change was made until i played OoT again on both the Zelda Collection and Master Quest discs for GC. (the look of the fire attack from Twinrova in the GC versions still bug me.. N64 versions looked much much better IMO)
what bugs me the most about the zack and wiki thing is that the person who wrote the email clearly stated that he was agnostic yet still bothered to point it out. that to me = too much time on your hands.
if someone is genuienly offended (which some people are) i could understand why they would want it to be changed and would likely agree with them, it just so happens to be that the person who brought it up claims to be agnostic and seems to bring it up just because.
thats all im going to say. im not about to start a religious debate, i've read those train wrecked threads before, they're not pretty.
Post by: Mashiro on July 28, 2007, 11:54:50 AM
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Yet it was a similar issue that caused Nintendo to change some symbols and sounds for Zelda: OoT, and for Disney to make a new song version for Aladdin's opening theme...
Doesn't make it any less stupid. The people who get offended by these things need to lighten up.
Post by: Sessha on July 28, 2007, 03:03:27 PM
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I know it's hard to symphathize when you it doesn't really pertain to your i.e. religion, culture etc.
Ah but how do you know it doesn't?
Post by: bustin98 on July 28, 2007, 03:37:51 PM
I do think advance warning of what is coming should be given. But then if some things aren't pointed out, people will never know its there. I'm clueless about the chanting and symbols in OOT. Aladin, I never paid enough attention. Even with the Rescuers and the woman in the window, or the pro-American frame in an episode of Simpsons.
Its one thing to show people something that they are unprepared for, and another entirely to remove the offending matter altogether. Two wrongs do not make a right.
Post by: Kairon on July 28, 2007, 03:44:55 PM
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I know it's hard to symphathize when it doesn't really pertain to your i.e. religion, culture etc.
Ah but how do you know it doesn't?
Ah Touche
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 29, 2007, 06:48:09 AM
Post by: Arbok on July 29, 2007, 06:52:16 AM
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Looks like clear-cut RE4 gameplay with some new "cut-and-dodge" maneuvers (a la Leon's defense kick)...Which isn't necessarily a BAD thing, but it shouldn't be taking until 2010 to finish like Capcom is saying... =\
They are just trying to make sure that it has the same level of impact on overall console sales that RE4 did when it hit the Cube late in its life cycle...
Post by: Magik on July 29, 2007, 07:47:57 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 29, 2007, 08:34:34 AM
Post by: EasyCure on July 29, 2007, 10:46:02 AM
to those people leon was shooting white people, who spoke spanish.
theres a difference
why am i deffending it when im hispanic? boredom...yep
Post by: Kairon on July 29, 2007, 10:51:58 AM
Anyone else feel it's time we got some visible ethnic variety in the the S.T.A.R.S. team?
Post by: EasyCure on July 29, 2007, 10:54:20 AM
they could have Jill in another game and you uncover things about her past and turns out she was born Jill Valentina and she's from a hispanic background but that would be just plain stupid since no one would really care.
Post by: Arbok on July 29, 2007, 10:59:32 AM
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because some people see the Spanish people (see: from Spain/Espana) as white europeons completely different from the Hispanics from central/south american countries (indiginous people conqured by the Spanish' ancestors), most of which are not white in color but fairly brown.
to those people leon was shooting white people, who spoke spanish.
theres a difference
Also, RE4 really didn't have any normal people from the village, save Luis who was a cool guy. As for RE5, we have already seen them rather normal before the change and what looks to be possibly after, ala mr speaker guy, which I could see making this a potentially more touchy subject on account of it.
Post by: Stogi on July 29, 2007, 11:01:26 AM
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Yet it was a similar issue that caused Nintendo to change some symbols and sounds for Zelda: OoT, and for Disney to make a new song version for Aladdin's opening theme...
Doesn't make it any less stupid. The people who get offended by these things need to lighten up.
Hold your horses there. What may seem stupid to you may not seem stupid to someone else; and what seems great to you may seem childish to someone else (games for instance).
As a Muslim, I can verify that they are clearly saying "Allah hu ackbar" which translates to praise God, for he is great. It is an arabic expression used, but not exclusively, in prayer. While it doesn't offend me that it is in the game, what does offend me is that the so called "enemies" or "savages" are the ones that are chanting it.
Then again, I've dealt with this kinda thing all my life so I don't feel the need to care really. People will be people, and ignorance plays into that. I just wanted to prove a point and show you a different perspective.
Post by: Mashiro on July 29, 2007, 11:14:19 AM
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Yet it was a similar issue that caused Nintendo to change some symbols and sounds for Zelda: OoT, and for Disney to make a new song version for Aladdin's opening theme...
Doesn't make it any less stupid. The people who get offended by these things need to lighten up.
Hold your horses there. What may seem stupid to you may not seem stupid to someone else; and what seems great to you may seem childish to someone else (games for instance).
As a Muslim, I can verify that they are clearly saying "Allah hu ackbar" which translates to praise God, for he is great. It is an arabic expression used, but not exclusively, in prayer. While it doesn't offend me that it is in the game, what does offend me is that the so called "enemies" or "savages" are the ones that are chanting it.
Then again, I've dealt with this kinda thing all my life so I don't feel the need to care really. People will be people, and ignorance plays into that. I just wanted to prove a point and show you a different perspective.
Yeah but my perspective is to treat everyone equally. So what if the "bad" guys were chanting that. Is that to say there are no bad muslims in the world? If they were chanting something christian in a game and I had to beat/kill them because they were my enemy I wouldn't care.
Same thing with Italians feeling the Sopranos portrayed us in a "negative" light because they were mobsters. I'm 75% Italian and I could care less.
Unless something is being just plain racist or showing bigotry I don't feel there is a need to censor things.
Post by: Stogi on July 29, 2007, 11:26:33 AM
You must understand that I am all for non-censoring the media. That's the only fair way to do it.
And sure there are bad muslims, just like how there are bad people in general, but that's not how it's being portrayed. Rather it is making a mockery of the whole religion. There are animals dancing around in a circle, afterall.
You must see how someone could get offended by this, even if you don't. And also, how your comment about their feelings being "stupid" may be hurtful.
Post by: Mashiro on July 29, 2007, 11:30:00 AM
Post by: MLS_man_64 on July 29, 2007, 12:09:55 PM
Anyways, back on topic.
When is the game supposed to come out, 2008? And why is it not being graphically reduced to fit on Wii?
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And why is it not being graphically reduced to fit on Wii?
Cause Capcom is silly.
Post by: MLS_man_64 on July 29, 2007, 12:35:29 PM
Good point, but in actuality it is because it would sell good, which would make them money, which would be illogical
Also, I hold out hope for an announcement that it will be released on the Wii two weeks before it comes out on the competing consoles. Oh the justice it would be
Post by: Mashiro on July 29, 2007, 12:44:23 PM
Post by: EasyCure on July 29, 2007, 01:09:53 PM
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So long as sales of RE4 and Umbrella Chronicles are good, I won't count out RE5 being ported at some point.
they say they're going to gauge the sales of those two games to see if wii owners want RE on their system but... its capcom... so i dunno..
i dont remember who said this in another thread, sorry for not being able to quote you so i'll just paraphrase it:
its capcom; if re4 sells well on wii they'll say wii owners want cheap-cash-in-ports
if re:uc sells well they'll say wii owners want watered down versions of their games.
its a lose/lose situation
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 29, 2007, 01:54:54 PM
Anyway I think RE1 is very offensive, because you shoot white males all the time. I mean a black/asian/hispanic/indian/feminist/racist may take great joy out of shooting white MALE zombies.
To get back on topic, I am not that impressed by the trailer the game looks like RE4 all over again, and the aiming controls looks pretty lame.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on July 29, 2007, 03:02:07 PM
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I really hope the Wii gets a version of this.
If the PS2 could get a downgraded version of RE4 why can't the Wii get a downgraded version of RE5?
If all else fails I guess I can always pick it up for my Xbox360
Hence why I picked up a 360. There's a good chance that the 360 will get whatever the PS3 is getting so if I can't get it on the Wii I can at least check it out on the 360.
And Brandogg, please edit the link, it is stretching the screen.
Post by: Kairon on July 29, 2007, 04:51:51 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 29, 2007, 05:31:41 PM
Post by: Mashiro on July 29, 2007, 05:32:51 PM
lol jk of course.
Post by: EasyCure on July 29, 2007, 05:46:08 PM
thanks alot Bill!!
:slowly backs out of discussion:
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 29, 2007, 09:00:52 PM
Post by: Stogi on July 29, 2007, 09:04:35 PM
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Well, uh, somehow my joke post got spawned into serious racial issues discussion...Whoops...
Don't flatter yourself.
I just want to make it clear (because some people aren't getting the picture) that all I was doing was showing you how someone might be offended by this or any other game. You may think they are "stupid" or "selfish" but that's the way the world works. I understand that people would get along better if we can stop getting offended, but is that a realistic solution? Especially since religion is such a touchy subject; a subject that many people have died for and/or are willing to die for. It is so hard for a person to relax and "deal with it" when it is such a powerful force in there life.
That's the last thing I'll say about that.
Oh and the RE5 thing......I could really care less if there's a white dude in it. I just had this picture stuck in my head of my roommate playing this and being the racist prick that he is, that's all.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 29, 2007, 09:09:01 PM
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Well, uh, somehow my joke post got spawned into serious racial issues discussion...Whoops...
Don't flatter yourself.
I just want to make it clear (because some people aren't getting the picture) that all I was doing was showing you how someone might be offended by this or any other game. You may think they are "stupid" or "selfish" but that's the way the world works. I understand that people would get along better if we can stop getting offended, but is that a realistic solution? Especially since religion is such a touchy subject; a subject that many people have died for and/or are willing to die for. It is so hard for a person to relax and "deal with it" when it is such a powerful force in there life.
That's the last thing I'll say about that.
Oh and the RE5 thing......I could really care less if there's a white dude in it. I just had this picture stuck in my head of my roommate playing this and being the racist prick that he is, that's all.
Think of this way at least it is better he is doing that stuff in a video game!
Post by: Mashiro on July 29, 2007, 09:15:11 PM
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a subject that many people have died for and/or are willing to die for.
and yet religions all teach us that killing is bad (if people are dying for religion they are fighting over religious beliefs more than likely) . . .
hence why major bodies of religion are a joke and people shouldn't complain about references to said religions in video games.
/discuss
Edit: To clarify, religious beliefs aren't a joke but the major bodies of religious teaching that use the religion as a tool for war makes those very bodies of religion a joke.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 29, 2007, 09:22:00 PM
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a subject that many people have died for and/or are willing to die for.
and yet religions all teach us that killing is bad (if people are dying for religion they are fighting over religious beliefs more than likely) . . .
hence why religions are a joke and people shouldn't complain about references to said religions in video games.
/discuss
Actually the key reason for wars, including religious wars is lust for power. You can see that down through history, that is how people are. To blame a religion on it is silly, it is the need for power or the fear of losing power.
Post by: Mashiro on July 29, 2007, 09:24:51 PM
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Perhaps, but if they are fighting in the name of religion, religion is the at least part of the cause.
You could say the same about Nazi Germany, except for religion, they were fighting justifying it with secular darwinism to create a utopia with the master race through survival of the fittest.
Post by: Mashiro on July 29, 2007, 09:30:07 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 29, 2007, 09:31:31 PM
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Regardless my point remains valid, so long as people are killing in the name of religion, religious beliefs leading to conflicts and wars are contradictory to their very teachings which is why I don't really take to any of the major religions as they all seem to be involved in that one way or another.
Well we could get into this deeper, but this could turn ugly REALLY fast and is against the board rules.
Post by: Mashiro on July 29, 2007, 09:34:34 PM
In the end . . . censorship = bad
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True.
In the end . . . censorship = bad
The staffers will censor your anti-censorship post!
Post by: Mashiro on July 29, 2007, 09:37:31 PM
Post by: Stogi on July 29, 2007, 11:13:59 PM
-- "Derka, Derka, Mohammed Jihad. Sherba, Sherba."
-- "Ahhhh, Derka, Derka, Derka..."
Post by: utarefsoN on July 30, 2007, 03:59:15 AM
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Wow, nice!
I want this game, I need it!
Damn you Microsoft!
WTF y are you damning Microsoft when you should be damning nintendo for making such a pussyazz console. I however suspect that capcom, being the captialist that they are, will bring it to the Wii. All we have to do is support RE on the Wii and Re5 will come. So get out there and buy Re4 and UC so Capcom will be forced to to port the game over. They did it to RE4 on the Ps2. I assure you they will do it again. But we have to give them a reason to. So buy RE's on the wii. Buy it for you friends and family. Buy two copies for yourself. Lets do what it take to get this game on the Wii. Please.
Post by: Ghisy on July 31, 2007, 11:16:00 AM
Microsoft made a weak (hardware reliability-wise) but fine graphically console.
I'd rather have the first one. Oh wait, it's the one I bought.
Post by: UERD on July 31, 2007, 12:55:13 PM
I guess you really do learn something every day
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 31, 2007, 01:05:54 PM
Post by: Mashiro on August 01, 2007, 07:21:08 AM
Kotaku: zombie racism Black Looks On RE 5 Racism
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This is problematic on so many levels, including the depiction of Black people as inhuman savages, the killing of Black people by a white man in military clothing, and the fact that this video game is marketed to children and young adults. Start them young... fearing, hating, and destroying Black people.
Well it could be worse . . . if i was on the Wii they would be saying Nintendo is training them in a realistic manner to kill black people.
Post by: Ian Sane on August 01, 2007, 07:54:02 AM
Resident F*cking Evil marketed to children?! Are you f*cking kidding me?! These moral watchdogs need to stop being so damn stupid.
If the game had a non-white main character killing white zombies no one would claim it was racist. If anything these same people would be all "How come all the zombies are white? Why is the black character all vulnerable to injury and stuff while the white characters get special undead zombies powers?"
Plus this game is being made by Asians. It's not even like the white man is making this white supremecy simulator.
Post by: Ceric on August 01, 2007, 10:39:38 AM
For the Love of Mike, why people why. It be the almost exact same thing they are saying now. Next they'll tell me that porn should leave the earth because it being exclusive to adults is just a means to lure their true demographic of delinquent 5 year olds.
Edit: Original reason to post. Residental Evil: Paint by Numbers featuring Bob Ross.
Post by: Ian Sane on August 01, 2007, 11:11:27 AM
Don't forget that the Aliens have black skin! And Predator has dreads! And Terminator has a non-American accent! Clearly all these classic action movies are really hidden racist propaganda!
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Post by: Adrock on August 01, 2007, 08:44:06 PM
I hate people who make everything into a race issue.
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Mickey Mouse is black. Thank god for Disney, fighting Racism since the 1930's.
Thanks for making me laugh.
Post by: Galford on August 01, 2007, 09:43:44 PM
The people making a big deal of the "racism" in RE5 need to get a life.
Post by: tiamat1990 on August 01, 2007, 11:29:26 PM
Last week an episode of Scrubs was airing and it was when Turk's wife was giving birth and they had a talking Jesus statue. My freaking dad cusses up a storm and telling us "kids that's completely wrong. that's blasphemy that is". Woah! Jesus christ calm down mate!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 01, 2007, 11:32:47 PM
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Well our world is too politically correct these days that if you do anything slightly over the line it gets blown totally out of proportion. I mean for ffs the Church was in Resistance for such a miniscule amount of time and it's not like the had a burning cross or dead priests. Freaking christians blow everything out of proportion.
Last week an episode of Scrubs was airing and it was when Turk's wife was giving birth and they had a talking Jesus statue. My freaking dad cusses up a storm and telling us "kids that's completely wrong. that's blasphemy that is". Woah! Jesus christ calm down mate!
Wait so it is only the Christians that are getting overly sensitive?
Post by: Shift Key on August 01, 2007, 11:48:37 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixYou could say the same about Nazi Germany, except for religion, they were fighting justifying it with secular darwinism to create a utopia with the master race through survival of the fittest.
Yeah right. The "final solution" for the Jews was to be invited to this utopia, right?
EDIT: To clarify my position on the matter, here's a small clip titled: What Have We Learned From History?
Feel free to continue bickering...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 01, 2007, 11:56:09 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixYou could say the same about Nazi Germany, except for religion, they were fighting justifying it with secular darwinism to create a utopia with the master race through survival of the fittest.
Yeah right. The "final solution" for the Jews was to be invited to this utopia, right?
EDIT: To clarify my position on the matter, here's a small clip titled: What Have We Learned From History?
Feel free to continue bickering...
Not sure why you picked my comment out, but Hitler's goal (at least what he said his goal was, I think it was power) was to eliminate the inferior races and their evil genes to pave the way for a master race which would be for the betterment of all mankind.
Post by: Shift Key on August 02, 2007, 12:16:10 AM
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Not sure why you picked my comment out, but Hitler's goal (at least what he said his goal was, I think it was power) was to eliminate the inferior races and their evil genes to pave the way for a master race which would be for the betterment of all mankind.
Yours was the first comment that stood out as lacking thought (although there is a lot of that in this thread).
Hitler's goal wasn't wiping races off the earth. You're confusing the Nazi Party's Aryan experiments with the real reason for World War II. It was Hitler's sense of nationalism (read Mein Kampf if you want to find out about what Hitler did after World War I) that led him to forming the Nazi party, taking control of the German government and then taking his army to Poland.
It just so happened that as Nazi Germany's power expanded, so did the experiments. The experiments were carried out in systematic fashion, going from sterilization of people who were mentally or physically "unfit" to extermination of specific groups such as Gypsies, Jews and homosexuals.
Not sure who was behind these experiments but a good starting point would be Ernst_Rüdin.
Post by: 18 Days on August 02, 2007, 03:14:23 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on August 02, 2007, 05:54:01 AM
Freaking idiots blow everything out of proportion. That's a very important distinction. Don't go making a blanket statement about an entire religion. That's no different then if in response to this women's blog about RE5 being racist someone said "Freaking blacks blow everything out of proportion."
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 02, 2007, 06:07:52 AM
Not that this is a bad thing, but if it's not going to be something truly new, this isn't going to sell me a PS360.
Post by: ryancoke on August 02, 2007, 08:00:53 AM
Post by: EasyCure on August 02, 2007, 09:04:58 AM
when someone brought up RE4 and how all the "zombies" were Spanish but no one was offended, i stated that People of Spanish decent (Spaniards) are different from Hispanics (from central/south america) because the Spanish are considered White and seperate from Hispanics. Ever fill out a job application and get to the part thats "completely optional" that ask for you ehtnicity? It'll say White (non hispanic) or Hispanic (non white), one of the two. My "arguement" was that re4 was a white american shooting white europeans who happened to speak spanish.
as for the "arguments" against RE1 those zombies werent necissarily white. they were too decomposed to tell what race they were from.
now...
the probably with people being offended is that its so easy to become offended and in turn makes everyone else who opposes the view of the offended, offended! If you actually believe re5 is racist because it simply depicts a white man killing black zombies and you're offended, you're offending all the people that think your opinion is stupid and/or invalid.
now all of you that make blanket statements like "(ethnicity and/or religious group) take things way to seriously". you know are offended and making statements that will offend the other party. Likewise you are offending people on the fence with their opinions because theyll have to chime in with "lighten up man, thats their optinion and yo have no right to force your views on them" thus is the circle of stupidity in human kind.
in the world we live in today the only fair way to settle this RE5 issue is to include white zombies into the mix. then someone will just come along and complain the game is prejudice to all africans (black or white) and we'll be back to where we started. so really there is no way to settle this because everyone has differeing views and no one wants to "chill out! its not that serious" because to some bored person, it will be.
besides if they changed the game so that the zombies were a mix of caucasian, black, hispanic or asian peoples, there would still be someone to argue that, no matter what, the game is a murder simulator. and no, that persons religion or belief system has nothing to do with it. its their morales (no matter how screwed up you think they are). the only argument to the "murder sim" argument will be to claim "well the protaganist is only killing in self defense, as you can see he's being attacked unprovoked," to which someone will no doubt respond "self defense or not, this violence is targetting our children" Then where does that leave us?
so, no matter what someone is going to get pissed off and be offended at any little thing. we as a community should just ignore it and agree that we're all gamers here and so we should look at this as a game, and not in any other lights.
i've already made every argument possible, for either side.. there is no need for this thread. LOCK IT UP
Post by: Ghisy on August 02, 2007, 09:42:33 AM
If some black dude was shooting white "zombies", would people make such a fuss about it?
It's just a game, get over it people.
Post by: ThePerm on August 02, 2007, 10:13:44 AM
my understanding is that the game is another biological outbreak(hence the name BioHazard) in a secluded area, this time in a place where people are predominately darker skinned, maybe in Africa, the southern united states, Haiti..the list goes on.
Post by: Stogi on August 04, 2007, 12:12:46 AM
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All of this racism non-issue is ridiculous.
If some black dude was shooting white "zombies", would people make such a fuss about it?
It's just a game, get over it people.
As an african I feel the need to rebuttal.
Has there ever been a black man who killed a many anonymous white people in a game? Please, prove me wrong.
Having a built, overly-diesel white person kill hundred's of black people is provoking the subject of racism. How, you ask? Well, this sh!t has been going on for over 500 years. And really, that's the only problem. French domination, British domination, Dutch domination; it's all the same in Africa. Why can't somebody of African decent take care of his own country? I don't know.....this topic has evolved to something else.
I wouldn't feel motivated to talk about such things, but I'm drunk and am in the state of mind that is one-sided; or in other words, I am neglecting other perspectives. Still, the difference is: if a black man went to Spain and killed many Spaniards, I wouldn't feel the need to talk about. Hell, that's just the way the game was set-up. There are many black people all over the world; it only makes sense since people originated in Africa. Still, when a white Special task force agent is sent in to take down a sort-of viral threat, I guess it just stems back to the fact that Africa, although great and full of recourses, has been sent back a couple hundred years in the civilization time line because of outside forces dominating them, and this is just another example of an outside force intervening; for better or for worse.
The back-story to the game could clear up all sorts of things, but as it stands now, it's just disgraceful and simply, just hurts my feelings. I don't know why.....It's hard to explain. I just wish it was easier for others to understand how I felt no matter how "blind" or "racist" you all see me for saying such things.
It just hurts.......
Post by: Shift Key on August 04, 2007, 02:08:17 AM
Note: This is nothing personal, its just an entertaining state of affairs.
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Having a built, overly-diesel white person kill hundred's of black people is provoking the subject of racism. How, you ask? Well, this sh!t has been going on for over 500 years.
This kind of racism has been going on for hundreds of years. If it takes a hardcore game like this to raise the ire of so many people then isn't this a bit absurd? The Spanish didn't bat an eyelid when RE4 was shown to be centred around a village with a lot of people which spoke a language not unlike their own.
Maybe its the visual difference between the attacker and the targets in this latest demo, but just because it is more evident doesn't mean it is intentional.
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There are many black people all over the world; it only makes sense since people originated in Africa.
I don't argue with this train of thought this is more of a personal thing, but yes, i believe that humans originated in what we know as Africa and then migrated over time. Move along. Nothing to see here.
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]Still, when a white Special task force agent is sent in to take down a sort-of viral threat, I guess it just stems back to the fact that Africa, although great and full of recourses, has been sent back a couple hundred years in the civilization time line because of outside forces dominating them, and this is just another example of an outside force intervening; for better or for worse.
You sound like you are playing the pity card at the current time, which is disappointing. There is a lot of potential in African nations for development at this time, even though there are significant issues such as drought, famine and war. I could cite the example of Ubuntu Linux, which was started up by a entrepreneur in South Africa a few years ago, which is at the forefront of the open-source movement in the technology industry, no matter how loudly GoldenPhoenix shouts to the contrary. If you look past the mainstream news you'll see that there is indication that things will improve in this region in the short-term (AIDS rate decreasing, financial aid increasing).
Its not definitive, but I do believe that things will change. Especially if that King Of Nigeria fellow gets his money out to those fortunate victims (i mean investors!)
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The back-story to the game could clear up all sorts of things, but as it stands now, it's just disgraceful and simply, just hurts my feelings. I don't know why.....It's hard to explain. I just wish it was easier for others to understand how I felt no matter how "blind" or "racist" you all see me for saying such things.
Nah, I don't blame you for feeling this way. You're not the only one. But there is always two sides to each story (no matter how misguided each 'story' could be). If you're willing to pass judgment based on three minutes of video then you should wait until you understand the background of the story before you grab your torch and/or pitchfork.
For the record: Chris's big right-hand haymaker in the video was great. I didn't notice he hit one of the 'locals' until after it happened. And the video reminded me a lot of the movie "Black Hawk Down" in terms of animosity between American soliders and African locals.
EDIT: Cleaned up the stuff I didn't say. Saving space for the pending hate-replies.
Post by: Mashiro on August 04, 2007, 06:34:17 AM
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Has there ever been a black man who killed a many anonymous white people in a game? Please, prove me wrong.
GTA San Andreas? =)
Post by: Stogi on August 04, 2007, 07:48:23 AM
Post by: ryancoke on August 04, 2007, 08:26:48 AM
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Has there ever been a black man who killed a many anonymous white people in a game? Please, prove me wrong.
Final Fantasy 7, Barrett kicked alot of white ass
Post by: Stogi on August 04, 2007, 08:27:57 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 04, 2007, 09:14:18 AM
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Originally posted by: Ghisy
All of this racism non-issue is ridiculous.
If some black dude was shooting white "zombies", would people make such a fuss about it?
It's just a game, get over it people.
As an african I feel the need to rebuttal.
Has there ever been a black man who killed a many anonymous white people in a game? Please, prove me wrong.
Having a built, overly-diesel white person kill hundred's of black people is provoking the subject of racism. How, you ask? Well, this sh!t has been going on for over 500 years. And really, that's the only problem. French domination, British domination, Dutch domination; it's all the same in Africa. Why can't somebody of African decent take care of his own country? I don't know.....this topic has evolved to something else.
I like where you are going with that. Why not let the black people continue doing what they have been doing for as long as I can remember... kill each other. I mean there is no one more racist against black people than other black people. So why not end the debate and just have a Black S.T.A.R.S. team member go into Africa and explain how the virus probably originated there so now they are going to the source to take care of it. Why not just let the game be some thinly veiled way to just mirror some of the things going on in the real world only changing the real topics into something of fiction with exaggerated results. No one is gonna make a fuss over a black man running into a black community and shooting up a bunch of black people. No one is gonna be offended if you suggest that [strike]AIDS[/strike] the T-Virus really originated in Africa and thats where all the testing got out of control and the epidemic started[/conspiracy theory].
and just because I have to say it, here goes... THATS RACIST!!!
Post by: ThePerm on August 04, 2007, 09:15:45 AM
anywho this games made by asians..so its a game made by asians where a white guy kills lots of black people
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 04, 2007, 09:22:30 AM
Post by: Stogi on August 04, 2007, 09:24:13 AM
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Originally posted by: Ghisy
All of this racism non-issue is ridiculous.
If some black dude was shooting white "zombies", would people make such a fuss about it?
It's just a game, get over it people.
As an african I feel the need to rebuttal.
Has there ever been a black man who killed a many anonymous white people in a game? Please, prove me wrong.
Having a built, overly-diesel white person kill hundred's of black people is provoking the subject of racism. How, you ask? Well, this sh!t has been going on for over 500 years. And really, that's the only problem. French domination, British domination, Dutch domination; it's all the same in Africa. Why can't somebody of African decent take care of his own country? I don't know.....this topic has evolved to something else.
I like where you are going with that. Why not let the black people continue doing what they have been doing for as long as I can remember... kill each other. I mean there is no one more racist against black people than other black people. So why not end the debate and just have a Black S.T.A.R.S. team member go into Africa and explain how the virus probably originated there so now they are going to the source to take care of it. Why not just let the game be some thinly veiled way to just mirror some of the things going on in the real world only changing the real topics into something of fiction with exaggerated results. No one is gonna make a fuss over a black man running into a black community and shooting up a bunch of black people. No one is gonna be offended if you suggest that [strike]AIDS[/strike] the T-Virus really originated in Africa and thats where all the testing got out of control and the epidemic started[/conspiracy theory].
and just because I have to say it, here goes... THATS RACIST!!!
I don't even know how to reply to this.....
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 04, 2007, 09:45:29 AM
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I don't even know how to reply to this.....
Don't worry, that was the perfect reply
quick, now someone change the subject.
Post by: Kairon on August 04, 2007, 10:11:49 AM
Post by: Ghisy on August 04, 2007, 12:59:40 PM
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Has there ever been a black man who killed a many anonymous white people in a game? Please, prove me wrong.
GTA San Andreas? =)
Thank you! I didn't even think of this one.
Now can we talk about RE5??
Post by: nickmitch on August 04, 2007, 01:56:22 PM
sometiiiiiiiiiiiiimes
Post by: Mashiro on August 04, 2007, 02:14:33 PM
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Has there ever been a black man who killed a many anonymous white people in a game? Please, prove me wrong.
GTA San Andreas? =)
Thank you! I didn't even think of this one.
Now can we talk about RE5??
No problem =)
I hope RE 5 comes out on Wii! though Wii is a white system . . .
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 04, 2007, 02:25:30 PM
oh no... don't tell me.... it can't be true... say it ain't so...
Nintendo doesn't care about Black Wii's!!!???
anyway, back on topic.
Since I haven't read anything in this thread that is further back than 30-35 post, wasn't it said that RE5 isn't coming out till sometime in '09?
and with GTA IV being delay by 6months who thinks that Wii versions of both these games are possibly coming?
Wii versions being favored over their PS3 counterparts, not the 360 versions of the games.
Post by: Mashiro on August 04, 2007, 03:08:54 PM
Imagine GTA with Wii controls, you could beat someone with a bat as if it were real!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 04, 2007, 03:10:56 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 04, 2007, 03:41:06 PM
Post by: EasyCure on August 04, 2007, 03:49:38 PM
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I'm still waiting on the superior DVD enabled BLACK Wii that is supposed to be announced at any time now.
oh no... don't tell me.... it can't be true... say it ain't so...
Nintendo doesn't care about Black Wii's!!!???
anyway, back on topic.
Since I haven't read anything in this thread that is further back than 30-35 post, wasn't it said that RE5 isn't coming out till sometime in '09?
and with GTA IV being delay by 6months who thinks that Wii versions of both these games are possibly coming?
Wii versions being favored over their PS3 counterparts, not the 360 versions of the games.
The black Wii is supposed to have a longer remote from what i hear. Also once i get it, i'm never going back.
now to be serious for a moment i too thought about GTA possibly being ported to wii during the delay. I stated this in the IV thread but i don't think anyone acknowledged it. now with that said:
NWR forum users don't care about EasyCure /kanye west
Post by: Adrock on August 04, 2007, 04:59:51 PM
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The black Wii is supposed to have a longer remote from what i hear. Also once i get it, i'm never going back.
Hahaha...... I'm just immature enough to find that funny.
Post by: Mashiro on August 04, 2007, 05:03:22 PM
If capcom doesn't print money it's their loss.
Post by: Gamebasher on August 05, 2007, 04:24:19 AM
Post by: Mashiro on August 05, 2007, 04:38:37 AM
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It will come out on Wii. RE4 did, and CAPCOM should see that it is a success with the gamers. So why not release the sequel too?
Well it's easier to port a game like RE4 to Wii than it would be to downscale and rework a game like RE5 to run on Wii.
The issue is, does Capcom want to spend the time and money doing such a thing?
Only time will tell.
Post by: denjet78 on August 05, 2007, 06:07:09 AM
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It will come out on Wii. RE4 did, and CAPCOM should see that it is a success with the gamers. So why not release the sequel too?
Well it's easier to port a game like RE4 to Wii than it would be to downscale and rework a game like RE5 to run on Wii.
The issue is, does Capcom want to spend the time and money doing such a thing?
Only time will tell.
They did it to get RE4 on the PS2. If Wii continues to sell like it has I don't see why they wouldn't want to put the effort in for what will essentially be free money.
Post by: Mashiro on August 05, 2007, 06:57:47 AM
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It will come out on Wii. RE4 did, and CAPCOM should see that it is a success with the gamers. So why not release the sequel too?
Well it's easier to port a game like RE4 to Wii than it would be to downscale and rework a game like RE5 to run on Wii.
The issue is, does Capcom want to spend the time and money doing such a thing?
Only time will tell.
They did it to get RE4 on the PS2. If Wii continues to sell like it has I don't see why they wouldn't want to put the effort in for what will essentially be free money.
The vast difference between GC to PS2 games and Xbox 360/PS3 to Wii games is the technological gap between the systems.
While GC was more powerful than PS2, it didn't "blow it out of the water" when comparing system specs. This gen, there is a considerably larger gap between Wii and PS3/Xbox 360.
This isn't to say the Wii can't make beautiful looking games, it's just to say that it COULD be a far more difficult time downsizing the game to run on Wii.
I'm not saying it will be but it could be, and that could be one of the factors that prevents it from being ported.
Post by: Gamebasher on August 06, 2007, 10:22:46 AM
Only time will tell!
But I think they´ll do it. Somehow. With dumbed down graphics, and a really cool pointer control to make up for the downsized graphics.
Post by: denjet78 on August 07, 2007, 08:37:01 AM
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The vast difference between GC to PS2 games and Xbox 360/PS3 to Wii games is the technological gap between the systems.
While GC was more powerful than PS2, it didn't "blow it out of the water" when comparing system specs. This gen, there is a considerably larger gap between Wii and PS3/Xbox 360.
This isn't to say the Wii can't make beautiful looking games, it's just to say that it COULD be a far more difficult time downsizing the game to run on Wii.
I'm not saying it will be but it could be, and that could be one of the factors that prevents it from being ported.
I remember last gen when there were all these PC games being ported to the XBox and everyone saying that the games wouldn't be possible on the GC because it wasn't powerful enough. The truth of the matter was that the only reason the XBox saw those PC ports in the first place was because it was basically a self contained PC. But the whole power argument stuck with me. I was trying to figure out exactly what they were talking about since the GC seemed plenty powerful enough to me.
Flash forward a bit and Doom 3 is announced. People wet themselves over the games graphics. I said that if the XBox was capable of it, then the GC was to. Everyone jumped down my throat calling me dumb and stupid and blind. I asked why. The reason? Because the GC didn't support all the effects that the XBox did. So the game would be missing a few graphical effects. So what? The XBox didn't support all the effects the PC version of the game had. Did that mean the game should have never been ported to the XBox? I mean, if only perfect ports will do then none of those PC games should have shown up on the XBox. Besides that, almost no one owned a PC powerful enough to run Doom 3 at full speed with all effects on when it came out anyway. If you can't run the game at full speed with all effects on you're just playing a watered down version. You're not getting the full effect. You shouldn't be allowed to play it. Or at least that's what everyone seemed to be telling me.
This is why I don't like the power argument. The Wii is more than capable of running RE5, with some effects turned off and the assets scaled down to standard def. There are probably a number of caveats between the 360 and PS3 versions of the game as it is. Effects that one system supports but the other doesn't. Believe it or not, neither version is going to be an exact replica of the other. So again, why is it okay for other systems to receive ports when it seems that unless Nintendo's hardware is capable of absolutely perfect emulation it's simply not possible?
And I highly doubt that porting the game to Wii would be difficult at all. RE5 is obviously built off of the RE4 engine, which was specifically designed for the GC. Yet Capcom still managed to get that same engine running on the vastly inferior PS2. A superset of the engine should more than easily run on Wii. The only real excuse would be having to convert all the hi def assets into standard def but that's not really all that hard either, now is it. As it is, most developers start with assets that are far too powerful for the system to run and then whittle them down until it can.
Why couldn't that be done for Wii?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 07, 2007, 08:41:12 AM
But it's impossible to port RE5 to Wii because Capcom doesn't like money and the game is just some silly spinoff since Mikami isn't around anymore to give it his blessing.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 07, 2007, 05:15:57 PM
Post by: Adrock on August 07, 2007, 09:46:40 PM
And I don't think Capcom hates money, at least not in this case. They'll make more money by making an original RE game with Wii Edition controls.
Post by: Ceric on August 08, 2007, 03:17:22 AM
Post by: ryancoke on August 10, 2007, 03:25:47 AM
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Originally posted by: Gamebasher
It will come out on Wii. RE4 did, and CAPCOM should see that it is a success with the gamers. So why not release the sequel too?
Well it's easier to port a game like RE4 to Wii than it would be to downscale and rework a game like RE5 to run on Wii.
The issue is, does Capcom want to spend the time and money doing such a thing?
Only time will tell.
They did it to get RE4 on the PS2. If Wii continues to sell like it has I don't see why they wouldn't want to put the effort in for what will essentially be free money.
The vast difference between GC to PS2 games and Xbox 360/PS3 to Wii games is the technological gap between the systems.
While GC was more powerful than PS2, it didn't "blow it out of the water" when comparing system specs. This gen, there is a considerably larger gap between Wii and PS3/Xbox 360.
This isn't to say the Wii can't make beautiful looking games, it's just to say that it COULD be a far more difficult time downsizing the game to run on Wii.
I'm not saying it will be but it could be, and that could be one of the factors that prevents it from being ported.
New console game development should follow a route similar to PC. When they make a PC game, they have to make it run on various computers using a scaling process. Like when you pick high med or low textures, your resolution, dynamic shadows, etc. They should build in options like that into games so they can scale back a Wii version while using all the bells and whisles for the XB360/PS3.
Post by: ShyGuy on July 15, 2008, 05:54:39 AM
This was the only RE5 thread I could find in search (seriously how can search actually be worse than before?) Maybe vudu can find a newer thread?
Anyways I watched the latest footage of this game and their is little doubt that is a modified RE4 engine. Some of the animations are the same and the character control appears to be the same as well. I don't see any reason this couldn't be downscaled to the Wii. The gameplay actually looks a little blah and turned down my hype for the game. It wasn't scary at all and their was little spookiness or mood from RE4.
And Chris Redfield's 'roid arms looks stupid.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 15, 2008, 06:11:12 AM
Post by: Morari on July 15, 2008, 10:13:44 AM
Post by: ReverendNoahWhateley on July 17, 2008, 09:43:45 PM
Post by: Morari on July 17, 2008, 11:44:12 PM
I still want puzzles to make a bigger comeback. They don't have to be Armor Keys and such, but something outside of killing hordes of enemies all of the time would be great.
Regardless, I played through Resident Evil 4 several times right in a row. It was a fun game, but it was solely lacking staple features from the earlier games.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 18, 2008, 12:56:14 AM
Post by: ReverendNoahWhateley on July 20, 2008, 12:05:05 AM
They could further add to the element of food (eggs and such) as being a necessity of survival while outrunning enemies that can hear your careless movements and smell the blood from your un-bandaged wounds. An action-oriented Resident Evil could certainly retain it's survival-horror aspects with some Snake Eater-like upgrades. I agree that the beginning of Resident Evil 4 showed just such promises, but quickly went down hill in terms of this and became extremely linear.
The first part of the game was creepy, so that's nice. The second part, in the castle, had some neat puzzles. There weren't a lot of them, but it was sort of a throwback to the earlier RE games. It wasn't until you invaded Cobra Commander's island base in the final third that the game started to feel like they were running out of ideas.
Post by: Adrock on July 20, 2008, 01:56:49 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on July 20, 2008, 05:43:24 AM
The first part of the game was creepy, so that's nice. The second part, in the castle, had some neat puzzles. There weren't a lot of them, but it was sort of a throwback to the earlier RE games. It wasn't until you invaded Cobra Commander's island base in the final third that the game started to feel like they were running out of ideas.
That sums it up perfectly. This would explain why RE5 so far looks like it's just an extension of the island part at the end of RE4. They ran out of ideas during the end of RE4's development and since RE5 is looking like RE4 in HD, it's just picking up right where RE4 left off.
Post by: bosshogx on July 30, 2008, 10:30:09 PM
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/244701.html
Nothing seems out of place until the :48 second mark, then things look a bit familiar. Funniest thing and a perfect example of how this game could be done on the Wii with a graphics reduction.
Post by: ShyGuy on July 30, 2008, 10:47:28 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 30, 2008, 10:55:58 PM
Might as well be MAYOR MIKE HAGGAR.
Post by: ShyGuy on July 31, 2008, 02:14:31 AM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on September 02, 2008, 09:12:08 AM
Well Capcom is revamping the control system in this game and the controls will be molded after Gears of War. Unfortunately I was one of the people that disliked Gears of War, if RE5 ultimately ends up like a Gears of War clone then -1 sale Capcom.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 02, 2008, 09:23:59 AM
Hey Capcom, are you TRYING to keep me from buying this? This isn't even Resident Evil anymore! Absolutely disgusting...
Post by: Plugabugz on September 02, 2008, 09:31:05 AM
RE5 gets a change and is modelled after something new(er) - most probably after the "hurried feel" of Gears - And people are ragging on it.
Please enlighten me.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 02, 2008, 11:37:15 AM
Post by: Stogi on September 02, 2008, 01:42:52 PM
It may still turn out awesome, but it's not really RE anymore.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 02, 2008, 02:37:06 PM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 02, 2008, 04:28:04 PM
Um, because it feels natural and still like an RE game...If RE5 REALLY controls like Gears then they only serve to try and turn the game into Generic Zombie FPS #23526...
Except it's not an FPS, and even if it were, I can't even think of any zombie FPSes off the top of my head.
Also anybody who was scared by RE4 is a pussy, and that's coming from the guy who couldn't even play through FEAR.
Post by: Maverick on September 02, 2008, 04:31:44 PM
Also anybody who was scared by RE4 is a pussy, and that's coming from the guy who couldn't even play through FEAR.
Do Regenerators count? 'Cause then I'm a pussy.
I don't know what the problem with "Gears like" controls are. They're just more realistic as long as they don't change the tone and "feel" of the game. In real life, if Zombies are rushing at me, I can move around while I shoot at them and scream like a little girl. What's so wrong with allowing Chris to do that?
Post by: Schadenfreude on December 06, 2008, 09:08:06 AM
Post by: ThePerm on December 06, 2008, 01:08:32 PM
Hold R to aim
press the bottom button to jump over ****
and then the rest is pretty standard action fair
at least the controlls arent going to be like classic resident evil, which sucked
so the only difference will be that you don't have to aim to shoot?
Post by: Schadenfreude on December 06, 2008, 02:20:27 PM
The new storage system is also much better. Co-op is a blast.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 06, 2008, 03:45:38 PM
Post by: Morari on December 07, 2008, 11:33:19 AM
Except it's not an FPS, and even if it were, I can't even think of any zombie FPSes off the top of my head.
Land of the Dead was based off of the film with the same name. It was generic, but decent enough to pirate and play through. Left 4 Dead just came out the other week, and while it follows the new and much lamer "fast zombie" philosophy, it is still damn fun with seven other people. Plenty of older games have promintenly featured zombies even if not being about them. Wolfenstein, Quake, Doom, Doom II, Doom III, Painkiller, etc. Heck, even Half-Life could be counted with those headcrab zombies! ;)
I fear for Resident Evil 5. It may very well be a fun game, but it certainly isn't shaping up to be Resident Evil by any means. Of course, I thought Resident Evil 4 was a little lacking in that regard as well. There was never any "survival" in its horror. You always had plenty of ammo and there were always plenty of enemies. The four or five puzzles in the game weren't even required to progress. It was kind of sad in that regard.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 07, 2008, 04:18:55 PM
Post by: bustin98 on December 11, 2008, 12:12:08 PM
It looks good though. Thank you NeoGaf! Too bad I can't play it online...
Post by: DAaaMan64 on December 11, 2008, 01:40:29 PM
Post by: ThePerm on December 11, 2008, 01:43:03 PM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 12, 2008, 06:14:13 PM
Post by: EasyCure on December 12, 2008, 06:41:15 PM
Yeah, in RE5 Chris has a "hook"...he punched the ever living **** out of the bad guys. It makes Leon's kick look like a sissy move.
Anything a 'roided up Chris does will make Leon look like a sissy.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 12, 2008, 07:35:45 PM
Post by: Peachylala on December 12, 2008, 09:28:53 PM
She starred in her own Resident Evil game.
Way to ruin a strong female character, Capcom. Unless she really isn't dead.
Post by: vudu on December 15, 2008, 02:41:40 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 15, 2008, 02:43:26 PM
Post by: Peachylala on December 16, 2008, 06:25:14 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on January 26, 2009, 03:50:42 PM
Post by: bustin98 on January 26, 2009, 05:27:09 PM
If you loved RE4 you'll love this one.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on January 26, 2009, 06:25:34 PM
I hear the demo is availabl on the 360. Anyone want to give impressions?
I so wish I could but my 360 died a few days ago.......I feel like crying now.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on January 26, 2009, 07:06:27 PM
If you loved RE4 you'll love this one.
I loved RE4 and I hated the demo for RE5. I guess it's really true that if you played RE4 Wii edition it's hard to go back to the "traditional method". The new controls that are inspired by Gears of War sucks and I don't really like how they forced Co-op on you especially and in a way you have to babysit sheeva more than you had to baby sit ashley. If you want to see a good progression of the RE4 formula Dead Space is it.
Post by: Adrock on January 26, 2009, 07:14:26 PM
Oh, and there are plenty of exploding barrels. (Why are there so many of those anyway??!!)Why are there any of those to begin with?
I loved RE4 and I hated the demo for RE5. I guess it's really true that if you played RE4 Wii edition it's hard to go back to the "traditional method".Capcom needs to:
1. Make a brand new one for the Wii.
2. Beg Shinji Mikami to produce the game and add something new and interesting to the formula.... you know, again.
Post by: Halbred on January 26, 2009, 07:21:31 PM
Seriously, I'm excited about this game. I loooooove RE4, but I'm interested to see how horribly I play it with the analog control scheme after falling head-over-heels for the Wii one. I'm glad they're keeping the basic progression the same. Aside from strafing, there's not a whole lot Capcom could do to improve the formula.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on January 26, 2009, 09:19:17 PM
What? There's a 360 demo out? WHERE'S THE SONY LOVE, CAPCOM?!?
Seriously, I'm excited about this game. I loooooove RE4, but I'm interested to see how horribly I play it with the analog control scheme after falling head-over-heels for the Wii one. I'm glad they're keeping the basic progression the same. Aside from strafing, there's not a whole lot Capcom could do to improve the formula.
Not to worry it will be out in early Feb I think the exact date is 2/5.
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Capcom needs to:
1. Make a brand new one for the Wii.
2. Beg Shinji Mikami to produce the game and add something new and interesting to the formula.... you know, again.
YES! I loved RE:UC so even if it's not RE:5 it should be something awesome.
2. Mikami as of now a a Platinum Games contract employee and he is also helping SUDA making his horror game with Grasshopper and EA.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 26, 2009, 09:36:30 PM
Post by: Adrock on January 26, 2009, 10:32:10 PM
2. Mikami as of now a a Platinum Games contract employee and he is also helping SUDA making his horror game with Grasshopper and EA.Yes, I know. I said, "Beg Shinji Mikami to produce the game." Not ask or suggest. Beg. If he can work with Grasshopper, what's stopping him from working with Capcom... besides, maybe some hard feelings.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on January 26, 2009, 10:45:32 PM
2. Mikami as of now a a Platinum Games contract employee and he is also helping SUDA making his horror game with Grasshopper and EA.Yes, I know. I said, "Beg Shinji Mikami to produce the game." Not ask or suggest. Beg. If he can work with Grasshopper, what's stopping him from working with Capcom... besides, maybe some hard feelings.
I think at this point Mikami is done with Capcom since after RE4 on Cube was done he essentially went to Clover. Then when Clover got axed by Capcom Inaba,Mikami, and a bunch of other major Capcom producers broke ties with Capcom, I have a feeling that those producers, directors and developers were tired of some BS happening at Capcom.
Post by: Caliban on January 27, 2009, 05:26:02 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 28, 2009, 04:44:03 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 28, 2009, 05:35:19 PM
Maybe I'm just spoiled by the Wiimote's aiming controls, but I cannot in good conscience recommend this game.
Post by: Adrock on January 28, 2009, 05:52:17 PM
1. I don't like how Capcom folded and added white zombies/genado to the shanty town because of people like N'Gai Croal who bitched about how the game was racist Not trying to start a debate, I just feel like there was no reason to change that.
2. There's a lot of micromanaging that I'm not a fan of. And you can't give/take some ammo if you or Sheva is out or at least, I haven't figured out how.
3. Sheva is useless.
4. Wii remote controls are better. More reason to make one for the Wii.
I'm waiting to hear Mikami's latest opinions on how the game disgusts him.He won't be playing RE5... (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3171560)
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 28, 2009, 06:02:15 PM
=D
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on January 28, 2009, 07:56:01 PM
I played the demo, and EWWW. Not sure if it is because gaming controls have evolved since RE4 but the game feels like you are controlling a tank and aiming is painful with the analog stick (don't recall it being a huge issue in RE4 then again that was awhile ago). Not to mention I can't stand baby sitting the CPU. Nothing worse then trying to hit and run with a big zombie with an axe to have it all for nothing because your partner can't comprehend the fact they can't do close quarter fighting with said axe smashing monster.
You pretty much nailed it on the head why I didn't really like the Demo also it's even better when you and sheeva have to separate in some parts and do forced co-op yay! I'm looking forward to the old Capcom team's games such as Mad World and Bayonetta.
Post by: nickmitch on January 28, 2009, 08:21:16 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 28, 2009, 09:57:27 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on January 28, 2009, 11:02:07 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 28, 2009, 11:27:12 PM
Okay, the big question I need answered. Could this game be ported to the Wii?
You know. I'm going to say that it could with a graphical downgrade, and maybe cutting out a couple of zombies (Not even that many). I can say is that there isn't really anything in it that "screams" next-gen like good physics or complex (and changing) level design. I know I'd prefer a Wii version if they could do it. Too bad Pro hasn't played it, he would probably know more. Now I'm not sure how well the co-op could be ported though.
Post by: Shecky on January 28, 2009, 11:35:14 PM
I've been playing the Japanese version for a while now :) Its RE4 with prettier graphics. There are moments where having two people come into play, but its more "defend me while I do this" senarios instead of "I take this path and you take that one". Oh, and there are plenty of exploding barrels. (Why are there so many of those anyway??!!) There are the same jewel puzzles and obtain key quests. Enemies drop ammo when they die. You can cover doors with bookshelves. You can shoot out doors to shoot the baddies behind them.
If you loved RE4 you'll love this one.
Heh, I remember the whole bookshelf pushing in RE4.... I ran into that a few times in the intro levels, and commented "Cool, I bet that'll be the last time I get to do that" .... and I think it was ;) sometimes I wonder why they bother to program it into the game
Post by: DAaaMan64 on January 29, 2009, 04:31:14 AM
But then the first demo level plays like Left 4 Dead or Gears, and the controls are total ass. I'm trying so hard to find way to strafe and aim in those levels., but you can't, because your driving a tank.
You'll know what i mean when you play it, but there are just too many zombies running at your, and the controls are just not meant to be constantly aiming, picking off only 1 zombie at a time. AND DAMN I must of plugged 12 shot gun shots into that bitch with the axe, but he STILL never died.
And whats with the screwed up Split Screen view? It looks like an episode of 24! There is a large black bar on the upperscreen's right side, and a large black bar on the left side of the lower screen!! Demo problem only maybe?
Post by: Nick DiMola on January 29, 2009, 07:23:23 AM
No more puzzles, over-emphasis on shooting, and not scary in the least. RE4 still held some of the RE staples, but this game has seemingly abandoned all of them. No thanks, Gears of Evil.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 29, 2009, 09:31:47 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on January 29, 2009, 09:32:36 AM
Post by: Caliban on January 29, 2009, 10:06:18 AM
The demo just showed up on the 360 for me, except it's only for Gold members. So I can't download it. Their loss, I have only a passing interest in the game and a demo would have been their chance to make me care.
Gold members usually get stuff a week or so earlier than Silver members, so I'm sure you will be able to try this demo soon enough.
Post by: DAaaMan64 on January 29, 2009, 11:41:29 AM
So..... your saying it's not worth buying a 360 over? Have to wait for Beyond Good and Evil 2 or Alan Wake.
Well we should wait for reviews before we think that. If the level's are more like the first level on the demo, I wouldn't buy it. If level's were more like the second level, I might.
Post by: bustin98 on January 29, 2009, 12:51:51 PM
Resident Evil is dead to me. This is not Resident Evil.
No more puzzles, over-emphasis on shooting, and not scary in the least. RE4 still held some of the RE staples, but this game has seemingly abandoned all of them. No thanks, Gears of Evil.
Now, there are jewels that are collected to indicate that those puzzles are still around. Just this demo is not focused on it. This demo may be playing the audience, saying 'Look its a shooter' when the full game is 'Look its RE4 with new skin. Fooled You!'
It took a couple of tries but I think I've come to terms with this game. Its enjoyable and I look forward to seeing how the full game gets fleshed out.
Post by: Morari on January 29, 2009, 01:01:47 PM
Post by: Halbred on January 29, 2009, 02:33:39 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 29, 2009, 03:03:58 PM
Well, now you've all thoroughly bashed the demo, so I'm sort of glad I passed on pre-ordering RE5 at Best Buy last night. Ah well, I still look forward to playing the demo should it ever hit the PSN. I, for one, LOVE RE4. In fact, I was playing it last night. So if RE5 is just RE4 with better graphics, I'm all for it. But it sounds like a few things have been tinkered with...
It has an identity crisis if the demo is any indication. Like someone said at times it is almost like Gears of War but with a super zoomed in camera and tank controls which makes for a non-fun experience. It would have been better if they slapped in Gears of War controls because the game is so far from what RE is, that step wouldn't wouldn't have changed much.
Post by: Peachylala on January 29, 2009, 03:30:42 PM
RE5 outlook for me, not so much. WTF is up with Chris's roid arms? Does the character designer for RE5 have a DBZ fetish or something?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 29, 2009, 03:45:31 PM
I loved RE4 Wii.
RE5 outlook for me, not so much. WTF is up with Chris's roid arms? Does the character designer for RE5 have a DBZ fetish or something?
Lol I noticed that too.
Post by: Caliban on January 29, 2009, 04:05:33 PM
Post by: Halbred on January 29, 2009, 07:52:34 PM
This game suddenly has new appeal.
Post by: NWR_Neal on January 29, 2009, 08:52:23 PM
RE4: Wii Edition is the definitive version of the series, imo.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on January 30, 2009, 12:33:14 AM
when I get my xbox repaired I'll still download the demo to try it out though.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 30, 2009, 01:07:27 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on January 30, 2009, 02:45:10 AM
Post by: bustin98 on January 30, 2009, 11:15:14 AM
Post by: Maverick on January 30, 2009, 03:53:44 PM
- Camera lags behind character when aiming for a little too long. Not a deal breaker, but it took getting used to.
- Character aims WAY too slowly. Very disappointing. I had "aiming speed" set to fastest and it was still slow as hell. Fastest made it playable, but I have no idea what they were thinking when it came to aiming speed.
-Sheva is going to destroy single player. Seriously, what a retarded chick. Big giant axe guy is chasing me and obviously will not go down in a few shots. I run away, she decides to hang around and shoot the guy from two feet away? She dies. Same problem with Chainsaw dude. I really hope they touch up her AI a bit before release. Although I suppose if there was some sort of "formation" option that I missed it is my fault, but I didn't notice one. Unless the game expects me to yell "come here!" every two seconds to keep her from kamikaze-ing every mini-boss.
- Character models. Seriously, WTF? Obviously the big one is Chris' roid arms that are bigger than his face. He looks like the fucking Hulk and it is both funny and sad that the creators did that to him. Besides that, though, every character seems to have contracted a bit of "Next Gen Shiny Skin Syndrome", and the blood is now light red and SUPER SHINY. Again, maybe this is just 'cause it's a demo release and it's not fully touched up yet, but I doubt it.
- Real Time Inventory. Seriously this is going to be a pain in the ass. I suppose it makes sense to keep the intensity up and to not interrupt your partner during co-op play, but navigating the menu is way too complicated to do in a split second at times, and a pain in the ass when you have like fifty plag-asses in your face. Maybe it is just something that needs getting used to.
Now for some Pros:
- Sheva is kinda hot.
- Hulk Chris is funny.
- Once you get ahold of the controls to an acceptable degree, it's still fuckin' Resident Evil and has enough of the RE 4 influence to keep me in the game. Not sure what control scheme I'll be using most of the time yet, but so far I've been using Control Type D. Just seems a little better for a controller where your thumb actually rests on the right thumb stick. If I got the PS3 version I might just stick to the straight RE 4 style.
So does anybody know if the merchant is making a return and how that will all work? I would imagine so since I kept collecting money and a few jewels in the demo. One of my favorite parts of RE 4 was upgrading weapons, so I certainly hope that's still in the game. I don't know how they're going to do jewels though since you don't have an "artifacts" option in your real-time menu. At least as far as I saw.
Post by: Adrock on January 30, 2009, 05:10:36 PM
1. A demo.
2. There a message that flat-out admits that there are bugs.
The bug that I really hated was how slow Chris changes weapons, but that could be the 360's crummy d-pad.
Also, like I said earlier, Sheva is useless. Goddamn that bitch keeps getting in trouble.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 30, 2009, 06:14:31 PM
Post by: Maverick on January 30, 2009, 07:34:33 PM
Post by: WuTangTurtle on January 30, 2009, 09:12:42 PM
Also, like I said earlier, Sheva is useless. Goddamn that bitch keeps getting in trouble.
Funny, I don't remember Ashley being too much of a pain....and she never even used a weapon. Friendly AI never seems to be that great does it, reminds me once in Left 4 Dead when my character was hanging off the side of the building and the friendly AI decided to come and help me up......but instead fell over the edge leaving us both hanging for dear life as the other two remaining survivors were being killed by a hunter and a tank.
Post by: nickmitch on January 30, 2009, 10:11:51 PM
Post by: Armak88 on January 30, 2009, 11:20:34 PM
Post by: Maverick on January 31, 2009, 02:35:09 AM
Post by: vudu on January 31, 2009, 10:00:01 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on January 31, 2009, 11:02:36 AM
Post by: Adrock on February 01, 2009, 12:57:37 AM
Funny, I don't remember Ashley being too much of a pain....and she never even used a weapon.In addition to what nickmitch said, Ashley didn't do anything and was never expected to. You're also saddled with Sheva for the entirety of Resident Evil 5.
Post by: ShyGuy on February 01, 2009, 01:16:30 AM
- The controls feel slow and unpolished. Was RE4 this clunky? None of the control schemes feels as comfortable as I remember RE4 feeling. Maybe I have been spoiled by the wiimote.
- The camera seems less than optimal. It feels a little slow in following you around and doesn't give the best view in close quarters. This game seems to have more close quarters combat than RE4 did.
- The graphics are very good. The lighting and the textures are top notch. The character animations seem straight out of RE4.
- I hate the AI coop so far. Sheva is a distraction.
- The inventory system is blah. I miss Leon's suitcase.
- The game is very difficult, possibly due to my lack of pratice with the 360 controller.
- I could see this coming to the Wii with downgraded textures and lighting. Considering the quality of this demo though, I don't really care too much.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 01, 2009, 01:37:51 AM
Post by: ThePerm on February 01, 2009, 11:09:25 PM
However, i pretty much liked the demo. It was basically resident evil 4 with better graphics, which i cannot complain about.
as far as the racist thing goes, i can see that being semi-true. I need something to yell at the screen when I'm crowded and getting hit. Damn Russians or Damn Germans doesn't work on everyone, and I can see myself slipping and saying things I would never say regularly. Damn Ganados doesn't roll off the tongue, too many syllables, too few plosive/affricative sounds. I remember i thought it was hilarious when one of my friends who used to yell out the most terrible racial slurs got together with his girlfriend.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 01, 2009, 11:17:14 PM
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However, i pretty much liked the demo. It was basically resident evil 4 with better graphics, which i cannot complain about.
And an annoying partner that will most likely be with you the WHOLE GAME.
Post by: ThePerm on February 01, 2009, 11:19:13 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on February 01, 2009, 11:59:40 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 02, 2009, 01:04:40 AM
I've been told this demo plays differently and better in coop.
Well I hope the final game comes together, because I really would like to buy it. But so far I only encountered frustration with the controls, my teammate, and level design in this demo.
Post by: ShyGuy on February 02, 2009, 01:18:25 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 02, 2009, 01:24:22 AM
Good point on the level design. It feels almost randomly generated, it's that generic. Hot and dusty slum with exploding barrels.
I may try some of the other control methods but the way they do zombie placement makes it seem like it should have tighter controls. Not to mention the above stated problem with picking up items and sifting through your clunky designed inventory while a zombie is trying to eat your head.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on February 02, 2009, 12:09:51 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on February 02, 2009, 01:20:48 PM
Post by: Caliban on February 02, 2009, 05:43:17 PM
I'm still not happy with how close the camera is to muscle man, and he still walks at a slow snail pace. Yeah I know I can run, but nevertheless...
The first time I played I didn't know that I could change between weapons automatically without opening the items grid, and I'm glad I discovered this feature accidentally.
In single player I try to always be at a close distance to Sheva, so as to have enough time for either of us help each other. She actually came to be quite useful at certain points, surprisingly.
I got used to the "knife" I guess, but don't think it has much use.
I got my head cut off by chainsaw guy but head was not seen rolling out, or at least there was no apparent gore whatsoever (even my friend that was watching me play went "what the hell???"), so I'm guessing the demo is censored, and hopefully the actual game is not censored.
I wish I could customize my own button layout.
I think that this game was definitely made to be played co-op, and I think that single player won't be as fun.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 02, 2009, 05:56:33 PM
Post by: ThePerm on February 02, 2009, 06:07:17 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on February 02, 2009, 06:09:25 PM
I hope Capcom gets enough feedback on single player sucking and corrects the issue. The demo levels were so cramped and the ammo was pretty sparse to be fighting the chainsaw or axe man. I actually couldn't get past Shiva who was blocking my path and got killed at one point.
Post by: Caliban on February 02, 2009, 06:21:17 PM
Lure him outside to where you dropped before entering the first house.
Use your shotgun to stun him, rush towards him and melee (hook, kick, or whatever the action button has you doing) him. Repeat, and in no time he is defeated.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 02, 2009, 06:36:33 PM
If you learned ANYTHING AT ALL from the last game, you're supposed to use the knife.
Go back and play whole village sequence in RE4 with just the knife if you don't believe me.
Use the knife on El Garrador as well.
Post by: Caliban on February 02, 2009, 06:57:39 PM
If there's something cool to be done with the knife, please do record it in video form and show me.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 02, 2009, 07:18:40 PM
Post by: Caliban on February 02, 2009, 07:55:55 PM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on February 02, 2009, 08:44:01 PM
It is kind of sad that this is a main iteration in the RE series. The co-op seems to make it more of a spin-off.
That's probably the dumbest thing I've ever seen you say.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 02, 2009, 08:46:55 PM
It is kind of sad that this is a main iteration in the RE series. The co-op seems to make it more of a spin-off.
That's probably the dumbest thing I've ever seen you say.
Thanks for adding to the discussion. Not sure what we would do without your wit.
ANYWAY, to clarify my statement (though I think it isn't that hard to understand), the RE series has always been about isolation with limited NPC interaction. Even though escort missions (Sadly) have been making their way into the series, it still has been about the single player experience. Anytime Capcom tried something different, like RE Outbreak, it was, well a spin-off. While not as huge of a leap, I would put this game, from what I played of the demo (which needs to be emphasized) with something like Nuts and Bolts. It does NOT mean it is a bad game, but that it seems to be a big departure from what the main series has been about. RE5 to me, is like if you put co-op in a new Zelda game for the main adventure mode. That is why the four swords series is considered a spin-off.
One thing I liked about the RE games was the sense of partial isolation but with a partner running around para ell to you, you lose that. It turns the game into more of a shooter.
Post by: ShyGuy on February 02, 2009, 09:32:54 PM
Post by: Morari on February 02, 2009, 09:36:26 PM
Code Veronica was the last true Resident Evil sequel.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 02, 2009, 09:38:31 PM
Resident Evil 5 is to the RE series what Quake 3 was to the Quake series. Bye Bye decent single player.
That is a good example. I think of Quake 3 as a spinoff, and Quake 4 to be the true Quake 3. It is like they wanted to build off the name of the main series for something that is almost totally unrelated. Which is sad if you are a fan of the mechanics of what made a series good to you. The main series RE games are so few and far between that it does sadden me a bit to find out the next one is co-op shooter/ survival horror hybrid. Though I guess I can be thankful I'm not building zombie vehicles of doom!
Post by: Dirk Temporo on February 02, 2009, 09:57:51 PM
One thing I liked about the RE games was the sense of partial isolation but with a partner running around para ell to you, you lose that. It turns the game into more of a shooter.
I don't know if you noticed or not, but RE4 was an action horror game. RE5 is RE4 with a partner who is actually mildly useful. The gameplay mechanics are identical, so to consider RE4 a "true" RE game when you don't consider RE5 one is stupid.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 02, 2009, 10:06:23 PM
One thing I liked about the RE games was the sense of partial isolation but with a partner running around para ell to you, you lose that. It turns the game into more of a shooter.
I don't know if you noticed or not, but RE4 was an action horror game. RE5 is RE4 with a partner who is actually mildly useful. The gameplay mechanics are identical, so to consider RE4 a "true" RE game when you don't consider RE5 one is stupid.
You are a classy individual, you know that? Do you have to insult people in each of your posts? I think I explained myself pretty well, if you want to call me stupid still, well, I really do not care.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 02, 2009, 10:16:06 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 02, 2009, 10:19:14 PM
Ironically, many fans see RE4 as the spin-off title due to how different the game engine is to the older games.
I can see that as well. At least it still had the partial isolation part in tact so you still felt vulnerable.
Post by: KnowsNothing on February 02, 2009, 10:23:29 PM
As a mediocre analogy, think of the Metroid Prime series. The first game was clearly radically different from the previous Metroid games, yet the game remained true to the "Metroid Experience" in many ways. The "spirit" of Metroid was still there, if you will. However some people still complained about it being a "first person shooter." Then Metroid Prime Hunters came out and took those differences the Prime series had from the previous game and multiplied them. Due to the system it was on, it now controlled like a FPS, and now there were other competing bounty hunters in the game. Then MP3 came out and maintained the FPS control scheme while adding even MORE characters, like the soldiers and whatnot. Every step the series took wasn't radically different from the game before it, but then all of a sudden you compare MP3 to Super Metroid and there are some huge differences. Of course, most people didn't mind the differences, but you get the point. The game changed in relatively minor ways with each iteration until the most recent game is drastically different from the first.
Anyway, what I'm getting at is that all of the things in RE4 that made it more of an action shooter are now even more prevalent. So while RE4 still had the "spirit" of the old games, RE5 does not. Of course, a lot of people blame the environment for a lot of those feelings which just isn't a strong argument, seeing how this is only a two level demo.
Anyway, I haven't played any RE game BUT 4, including this demo. So I should go now.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on February 02, 2009, 10:43:52 PM
You are a classy individual, you know that?
The embodiment of high culture and sophistication.
You make a point, I make a counterpoint that the two games are identical except one has a useful partner instead of a useless one, and then you build a straw man out of a single word in my post and don't make any further points. So yeah, you're still stupid, "sophiagirlgamer". (so i herd u liek straw men)
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 02, 2009, 10:59:41 PM
You are a classy individual, you know that?
The embodiment of high culture and sophistication.
You make a point, I make a counterpoint that the two games are identical except one has a useful partner instead of a useless one, and then you build a straw man out of a single word in my post and don't make any further points. So yeah, you're still stupid, "sophiagirlgamer". (so i herd u liek straw men)
You're so cute.
Not even sure why I bothered even giving any kind of response, but let me be as direct as possible. The main RE series has always been about single player and being isolated most of the time (besides a few segments). Yeah RE4 was a change for the series but it kept many of the core things that gave the game atmosphere (being alone the majority of the time in a scary world), with a partner either AI or otherwise that changes the whole point of the series. You will no longer feel alone and yes that means tension and apprehension will be lessened quite dramatically. Let's not forget the fact that if the AI is faulty in single player, it is going to be one LONG painful experience. Instead of a couple escort missions it is going to be one LONG escort mission.
Post by: KnowsNothing on February 02, 2009, 11:06:36 PM
Although putting it in the form of the DAWG meme was quite clever.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 02, 2009, 11:07:53 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 02, 2009, 11:09:51 PM
Recognition of one's fault does not absolve you from it. Especially on the internet.
Although putting it in the form of the DAWG meme was quite clever.
Sorry I'm too stupid, and do not understand your second sentence. ;)
Post by: Pale on February 02, 2009, 11:24:49 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on February 02, 2009, 11:34:18 PM
And it was completely uncalled for the second post. I actually don't agree with GP, my feelings are that if a developer puts the official number in a game AND the story constitutes as CANNON for the franchise then it is a proper sequel. Both Resident Evil 4 and Resident Evil 5 fit those requirements for me. I am recognizing that the franchise has evolved and in doing so its direction has changed from the traditional "puzzle survival horror" game to a more "action survival horror" game. Resident Evil 5 continues that evolution by taking the isolation away and allowing you to have a partner.
GP's point is fairly clear, by switching the emphasis and then adding a partner the game feels less like a Resident Evil game. Thus in her opinion it is more like a spinoff. She has a specific image of what a Resident Evil game is...and show feel like, and Resident Evil 5 does not capture that feel. Her opinion is completely valid and you can agree with it or not, without having to throw insults at someone.
As I said, I disagree with her stance, but that is just me.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on February 03, 2009, 12:23:19 AM
My main pet peeve is Sheva's AI sucks and when I played the demo it felt like a chore to keep up with Sheva while she get's stuck with enemies.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 03, 2009, 12:29:49 AM
Actually in Resident Evil games you always had a squad but they were basically singled out so you never really got a lot of help except RE0 hell I think RE0 does Co-op a hell of a lot better than RE5 does. RE0,RE4,RE5 have you tethered to another character constantly while in every other Resident Evil game the whole team gets split up for the most part.
My main pet peeve is Sheva's AI sucks and when I played the demo it felt like a chore to keep up with Sheva while she get's stuck with enemies.
Yeah I forgot about RE0. Though like you said it still has a ton of isolation, we'll see if RE5 does it as well.
Post by: ShyGuy on February 03, 2009, 01:02:46 AM
Second, Shiva may be more helpful but she also distracts the player and makes things harder by needing help more often and tracking the inventory back and forth. When I have blood crazed zombies after me, last thing I need is another distraction.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on February 03, 2009, 06:11:44 PM
That being said I loved RE4, probably my favorite game last gen but I hated the story. The jetski ending reminded me of some crappy horror movie that i can't remember the name of now......something about thieves wanting to rob a cruise ship only to find all of the passengers dead. They ended up riding jetskis out to some island then all of a sudden you hear like a dinosaur scream...lame.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 03, 2009, 06:14:00 PM
Post by: bustin98 on February 03, 2009, 06:18:17 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 03, 2009, 06:28:42 PM
RE5 is a vehicle Capcom is using to hop on the Co-op train. I do not think there are going to be escort missions because they won't really translate well when two people are playing together. Shiva answers the question of how is there another player when other games that allow co-op don't acknowledge the mechanic during the story points.
I think that is my fundamental point about the RE main series being about partial isolation, yeah there are others "around" but you are still alone the vast majority of time. Now it will most likely eliminate any sense of isolation and fear with a partner being played by someone else.
Post by: Halbred on February 03, 2009, 08:30:36 PM
I really like the multiplayer component. Adds tension to the experience, and working as a team is pretty awesome. The game would work much better but for two big problems:
1) Still no moving and shooting. This is disappointing given the increase in enemies and the fact that we all just finished the Wii version of RE4, where movement wasn't necessary--you just point and shoot. Analog aiming is much slower and demands precision that almost requires simultaneous movement to obtain. At least give me some left/right movement.
There's actually no reason why you can't aim (hold L1), aim (right stick), and move freely through the environment (left stick) all at the same time. I should be able to freely run 'n' gun. Otherwise, fewer enemies, please.
2) The menu system. It needs to go back to the RE4 "Diablo" settup.
I think the game looks great and plays exactly like RE4. Most of the enemy and character movements are exactly the same. I like it, but it'll take some serious getting-used-to after RE4: Wii Edition.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 03, 2009, 08:33:57 PM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on February 03, 2009, 09:50:08 PM
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Post by: Maverick on February 03, 2009, 09:59:26 PM
I thought it didn't get any worse than Halo 3 co-op, but they found a way.
Post by: bustin98 on February 03, 2009, 11:37:41 PM
Halbred, do you know that you can switch weapons with the d-pad? In fact, the pop-up screen kinda mimics the d-pad. If placed in the right spot, you can have Chris run around with a box of ammo in his hand. Yeah, its as fun as it sounds. The most use I made of the storage is giving ammo to the other character. Which is a pain because you have to be right next to him/her. But it makes sense, doesn't it?
Post by: Halbred on February 03, 2009, 11:44:16 PM
Post by: Adrock on February 04, 2009, 01:14:38 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 04, 2009, 02:31:40 AM
Post by: EasyCure on February 04, 2009, 09:19:31 AM
I wonder, if Nintendo made the next real Zelda multiplayer co-op (like 4 swords) would you guys be happy? It just seems strange to me that people are willing to accept multiplayer co-op in a series that has never had it besides a spin-off (and fun) online game. I'd think you could innovate the series without taking the multiplayer route like RE4 was able to do. Personally I am saddened by the single player experience starting to become a dieing breed. It makes me a sad panda. :'(
I'll be a sad panda with you because I'd feel the same way if i was in your shoes. Luckily Nintendo still has some fun single player games, and doesn't shove co-op down your throat either, but if they ever went that route I'd be pretty dissapointed. When a game like this comes along, it seems like they're going out of their way to put co-op in there as if its a direction the series will be in from now on. If thats the case than the single player could turn out not as good soley because the game was built with co-op in mind. When you're like me and do most of your game playing solo, for whatever reason, this sort of situation isn't satisfying.
Oh and don't give me the "well you can play online co-op" answer because that might not be an option, nor a preference :)
Post by: Spak-Spang on February 04, 2009, 10:32:45 AM
Give it to me Nintendo or I will hunt you down and beg.
(Also give us randomly generated Dungeons and Wii Speak Support so we can play the game forever.)
Post by: Maverick on February 04, 2009, 02:53:41 PM
Oh and as an aside I am now torn as to what version of the game to get. The 360 version is superior in the graphics and performance department while the PS3 version's controller feels so much more natural for controlling the game. I'm torn. :(
Post by: EasyCure on February 04, 2009, 03:44:13 PM
EasyCure, I think the game will be just fine as a solo experience after playing the demo several times, also on the PS3 version. Sheva hasn't since done any of that stupid **** I talked about earlier, so I don't know if my play style has adapted or if it was just a first time fluke. I think she'll perform okay now.
Oh and as an aside I am now torn as to what version of the game to get. The 360 version is superior in the graphics and performance department while the PS3 version's controller feels so much more natural for controlling the game. I'm torn. :(
That's good to know but my point was meant to be taken in a broader sense. It's not just this game that I'm worried about becoming a standard co-op affair that'll carry over to the next installment, but lots of traditionally single player games in general.
Post by: Maverick on February 04, 2009, 09:02:03 PM
Post by: Adrock on February 04, 2009, 09:16:17 PM
I wonder, if Nintendo made the next real Zelda multiplayer co-op (like 4 swords) would you guys be happy? It just seems strange to me that people are willing to accept multiplayer co-op in a series that has never had it besides a spin-off (and fun) online game. I'd think you could innovate the series without taking the multiplayer route like RE4 was able to do. Personally I am saddened by the single player experience starting to become a dieing breed. It makes me a sad panda. :'(The only difference is that in Zelda, you only play as Link. Resident Evil lends itself more to multiplayer than Zelda.
I get what you're saying though and honestly, the only reason this happened is because Capcom top brass raised the pimp hand to Shinji Mikami and basically forced him to leave the company for who knows why considering what an asset he'd be to any development team. Not saying RE5 won't be a good game, but like you, I would have preferred the game staying single player only. The series isn't survival horror anymore. RE4 gave you tons of ammo and now RE5 gives you tons of ammo and a partner who, useless or not, makes the game less scary. They might as well add in some upbeat J-Pop while their at it.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 04, 2009, 09:34:25 PM
Post by: Spinnzilla on February 04, 2009, 09:41:58 PM
my god, you moved slowly.
Post by: ShyGuy on February 05, 2009, 02:55:34 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 05, 2009, 05:00:06 AM
So I listened to RebelFM tonight and Ryan video plus Jay Fresh were on and they said "Don't judge RE5 by this demo" www.eat-sleep-game.com
I have no idea who those guys are, but at least that sounds promising.
Post by: ShyGuy on February 05, 2009, 10:13:13 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 05, 2009, 12:35:11 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on February 06, 2009, 10:39:15 AM
This a turtle of a game.
my god, you moved slowly.
Hold down A (needs an autorun option...)
I found the demo terribly confusing, especially the dying. I shoot some stuff, get killed, limp around a bit, Sheva asks "are you okay" and I've got health again, she gets killed, the game ends instantly.
Post by: Spinnzilla on February 06, 2009, 12:07:07 PM
This a turtle of a game.
my god, you moved slowly.
Hold down A (needs an autorun option...)
I know that. It' just everything felt so sluggish, from the running to the aiming.
Post by: Maverick on February 07, 2009, 12:27:05 AM
Post by: Stogi on February 10, 2009, 02:47:35 PM
Post by: Spinnzilla on February 10, 2009, 04:20:41 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 10, 2009, 04:28:02 PM
I wish you could change them to actual zombies. Cause I like resident evil like that.
That is one thing I miss about RE that started in 4, lack of real zombies.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 10, 2009, 05:23:55 PM
Post by: EasyCure on February 10, 2009, 07:38:27 PM
I wish you could change them to actual zombies. Cause I like resident evil like that.
That is one thing I miss about RE that started in 4, lack of real zombies.
I'd like a mix of both actually. Have dozens of slow moving zombies (maybe a Crimson Head or two) in certain areas and smarter Ganados (or whatever) types in others, wherever the gameplay suited it best.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 10, 2009, 07:40:15 PM
I wish you could change them to actual zombies. Cause I like resident evil like that.
That is one thing I miss about RE that started in 4, lack of real zombies.
I'd like a mix of both actually. Have dozens of slow moving zombies (maybe a Crimson Head or two) in certain areas and smarter Ganados (or whatever) types in others, wherever the gameplay suited it best.
That is a good compromise. One of my favorite sequences ever is in the beginning of RE2 with the fire and the meandering (creepy) zombies. Great stuff.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 10, 2009, 07:40:27 PM
Post by: DAaaMan64 on February 10, 2009, 07:42:20 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 10, 2009, 07:43:31 PM
Post by: Stogi on February 10, 2009, 07:49:11 PM
Post by: DAaaMan64 on February 11, 2009, 03:47:19 AM
Post by: EasyCure on February 11, 2009, 09:35:36 AM
I wish you could change them to actual zombies. Cause I like resident evil like that.
That is one thing I miss about RE that started in 4, lack of real zombies.
I'd like a mix of both actually. Have dozens of slow moving zombies (maybe a Crimson Head or two) in certain areas and smarter Ganados (or whatever) types in others, wherever the gameplay suited it best.
That is a good compromise. One of my favorite sequences ever is in the beginning of RE2 with the fire and the meandering (creepy) zombies. Great stuff.
This.
I like Regenerators more than any of them.
AND this. Those things were freaking awesome. I wish i was good at hacking and modding games so i could make all enemies Regenerators<33
Seriously though, just because they introduced this new time of enemies (those corrupted by Las Plagas) doesn't mean they can't write zombies back into the storyline right? Imagine how awesome the village in RE4 wouldv'e been if while you're being chased into the graveyard by the villagers, zombies just popped out of the ground? And before you say the gameplay would of made zombies a non-threat, imagine if they changed them so they pretty much NEVER went down. Shoot out their legs? They crawl to you. Shoot off their heads? They'll still come over to you and hold you down for more enemies to gang rape you.
That ever present threat of something that just won't die is something i miss about RE, and it'd be sad to find out that RE5 won't have it because it'll focus more on the action aspects newly introduced to the series. Its a shame too, since on the PS360 they have the system power to allow for all this.
Post by: KDR_11k on February 11, 2009, 02:06:34 PM
I'm officially more excited for Halo Wars then I am RE5.
Are you actually excited for Halo Wars?
After all the hype the game got about being designed from the ground up for consoles I'd have expected it to control less conventionally (and clumsy).
Post by: Halbred on February 11, 2009, 03:10:19 PM
Wesker already has the T-Virus. Despite its failure to create truly intelligent BOW's, the T-Virus allows its hosts to be more genetically stable. The Nemesis was created with the G-Virus, and although it was fairly intelligent and took orders, it mutated at every turn and eventually became totally unhinged. Thus, Tyrants created with the G-Virus are not really an option. The most stable Tyrants have been the Ivan models, which were modified Super Tyrants. Wesker also discovered the G-Virus thanks to the experiments on Lisa Trevor.
Anyway, Wesker missed out on the Code Veronica virus because Chris and Claire went and killed its sole host (and the corpse went up in flames). At the end of RE4, Wesker got ahold of a Las Plagas sample.
At the end of Umbrella Chronicles, Wesker stole all of the data from Umbrella's Russian branch, where the best Tyrants were produced, including the Ivans and TALOS. TALOS is unique in that it combines the strength and genetic stability of a standard Tyrant with remote behavioral control. The TALOS model is essentially a puppet, even after it mutates into its final form.
The BOW's in the RE5 demo have wings and increased resistance to gunfire, which strongly implies that they are "infected" with the T-Virus. Because humans have proven to be such unstable or unsuitable hosts for the T-Virus (for military purposes) and the G-Virus (for stability purposes), I'm guessing that the next step is to create more powerful Plagas.
Just a thought!
Post by: EasyCure on February 11, 2009, 03:16:48 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on February 11, 2009, 05:43:48 PM
Post by: Halbred on February 11, 2009, 05:55:00 PM
1) Umbrella Chronicles. It offers a very good summary of the first few games.
2) "The Resident Evil Archives," a book that compiles all the relevant plot information from RE0 to Code Veronica. Beautiful illustrations, too.
Wonderful sources. RE's mythology is topped only by MGS.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 11, 2009, 05:59:06 PM
In it, he introduced Lisa Trevor, providing the key backstory that unified the science fiction of the classic series. This tone and level of detail would carry on in RE0 and RE4, with more gaps filled in via The Umbrella Chronicles. Why didn't RE2, 3 and CV get the REmake treatment? Probably cuz they weren't interesting in the first place, with cities overrun with zombies and travelling to far away facilities -- that's all just wackiness.
Now Mikami is GONE. GONE. HE IS GONE.
What is RE5? MASHED POTATOES
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 11, 2009, 06:01:38 PM
Post by: Halbred on February 11, 2009, 06:40:36 PM
I think the RE backstory could be fully fleshed out with a sequel to Umbrella Chronicles that details the events of RE2 and Code: Veronica.
Post by: vudu on February 12, 2009, 01:58:17 PM
The horror ... the horror ....
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on February 23, 2009, 10:42:48 AM
Looks like they killed off Jill someone supposedly hacked the RE5 demo and found out that in the enemy lists file one enemy is called zombie Jill
Edit: More Info - The game has 80 minutes of cut scenes and a certain reviewer beat the game in 07:31:01(hh/mm/ss) not counting the 80 minutes worth of cut scenes. The reviewer also said that he didn't rush through the game.
Quote from: destructoid.com
Clarifying the info to the angry masses on its blog, they repeat that their first single play-through was seven hours, thirty-six minutes ... and one second. There's even screens to prove it! It also says that the game contains roughly 80 minutes worth of cut-scenes, and that the times shown weren't achieved by rushing through the game.
It's also mentioned that "you cannot see all there is to see in Resident Evil 5 in under ten hours," citing all sorts of extras and unlocks that could keep you playing. But for those who aren't completionists -- simply interested in a one-off experience -- this may sound a bit disappointing. When I complete a three chapter preview build of the game in around five hours, so this doesn't seem like such an outrageous claim.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 23, 2009, 11:48:33 AM
Chris' arms are so huge he cuts gameplay time in HALF.
Post by: Peachylala on February 24, 2009, 03:21:26 PM
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Edit: More Info - The game has 80 minutes of cut scenes and a certain reviewer beat the game in 07:31:01(hh/mm/ss) not counting the 80 minutes worth of cut scenes. The reviewer also said that he didn't rush through the game.I didn't know RE5 was trying to be MGS4.
Time to go back to playing Mario Galaxy, which has a better storyline then any other game I played. Why do I say that? Because it has no story AT ALL. =D
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Ouch. Where's the MGS love, NinGurl?Realize that Pro Daisy is telling the honest to god truth. I want to join the fan club made for him.
If one even existed.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 24, 2009, 03:25:14 PM
QuoteEdit: More Info - The game has 80 minutes of cut scenes and a certain reviewer beat the game in 07:31:01(hh/mm/ss) not counting the 80 minutes worth of cut scenes. The reviewer also said that he didn't rush through the game.I didn't know RE5 was trying to be MGS4.
Time to go back to playing Mario Galaxy, which has a better storyline then any other game I played. Why do I say that? Because it has no story AT ALL. =DQuoteOuch. Where's the MGS love, NinGurl?Realize that Pro Daisy is telling the honest to god truth. I want to join the fan club made for him.
If one even existed.
Not true, the Rosalina story is far more emotionally engaging then both MGS or RE!
Post by: Stogi on February 24, 2009, 03:28:35 PM
Post by: Halbred on February 24, 2009, 03:32:46 PM
Post by: Stogi on February 24, 2009, 03:45:49 PM
For instance, I played GOW and GOW 2 while he watched them and he thought it was the tightest **** ever. I did the same thing with ShadowOC. For some reason, he finds it much more entertaining to watch me wrestle through the game.
But he does love PoP.......weird.
Post by: bustin98 on March 10, 2009, 02:50:14 PM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 10, 2009, 02:59:37 PM
Post by: vudu on March 10, 2009, 03:16:17 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 10, 2009, 05:20:04 PM
Post by: EasyCure on March 11, 2009, 07:34:34 PM
Try hours. Ba-da-boom! (http://instantrimshot.com)
c'mooon! we have that link for a reason!
Post by: vudu on March 12, 2009, 01:55:59 PM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on March 12, 2009, 03:27:17 PM
Image links are allowed, it seems. Wasn't a drum among the many emoticons we lost in the SMF transition? I'm prepared to make this an official feature request.
Post by: Halbred on March 12, 2009, 03:43:48 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on March 12, 2009, 04:09:29 PM
There was, like, a two-minute trailer following South Park's season premier last night. IT LOOKS SO SWEET. I'm psyched about tomorrow!
Wouldn't you prefer.... DINO CRISIS?
Post by: bustin98 on March 12, 2009, 04:39:46 PM
Post by: Halbred on March 12, 2009, 04:42:54 PM
Post by: vudu on March 12, 2009, 04:44:32 PM
Oh ****, zombie dinosaurs! Why didn't anyone think of this before!?
Post by: Djunknown on March 13, 2009, 12:52:07 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 13, 2009, 02:08:29 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 13, 2009, 03:06:32 AM
An unfavorable review. (http://www.crispygamer.com/gamereviews/2009-03-12/resident-evil-5-xbox-360.aspx)
The racism complaint thing is getting really old with the game. I may not be thrilled about the game itself but let's stop with the racism complaint, it is set in AFRICA. What about the subhuman portrayal of "X" group in the previous 4 games? They are ZOMBIES.
Post by: Luigi Dude on March 13, 2009, 11:05:28 AM
http://xboxlive.ign.com/articles/962/962318p1.html
Even though I don't care about multiplayer in a Resident Evil game, this is something that should be playable normally. We should never have to pay for additional modes in games. Especially when these modes are already in the damn game and all we're paying for is a key to unlock them.
The way Capcom is going, in 5 years from now I bet we'll have to pay money just to keep playing the games.
"Congratulations on beating Level 1, now pay $3 to move on to Level 2."
Post by: bustin98 on March 13, 2009, 11:31:17 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 13, 2009, 12:13:53 PM
That's the model Valve is going for. Subscription based gaming.
At least Valve is giving new modes for free with the next DLC for L4D.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 13, 2009, 01:38:13 PM
That's the model Valve is going for. Subscription based gaming.
They've been updating TF2 for over a year now for absolutely free and L4D's content is free as well.
Their model is more along the lines of release a game then add value to it to encourage more people to buy it later on down the line.
The review (http://www.crispygamer.com/gamereviews/2009-03-12/resident-evil-5-xbox-360.aspx) on RE5 is rather interesting.
If the way he describes that scene is true, then yes, that does sound rather racist, and the excuse of "It's made by Japanese people" just doesn't hold any water.
After all, RE5 is being released on two consoles that have very little presence in the Japanese market as is. The game is guaranteed to sell more copies on the 360 in the US than it will on the PS3 in Japan so saying the game and characters are designed for Japanese audiences just won't fly anymore.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 13, 2009, 01:52:11 PM
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If the way he describes that scene is true, then yes, that does sound rather racist, and the excuse of "It's made by Japanese people" just doesn't hold any water.
I especially hate the racist portrayal of white people in RE1 and Latinos in RE4. Not to mention the SEXIST portrayal of only men as zombies in RE1l. Give me a freaken break. I especially like how this idiot reviewer glosses over the fact that your partner is African as well, but I guess she isn't african enough because her skin is lighter? Talk about racist in itself. Looks like yet another person trying to see racism in places where it wasn't intended. I may just buy the game out of spite for idiots like this reviewer.
Heck the BBFC deemed that one scene where the white woman was turned into a zombie to NOT BE RACIST. If they, of all watchdogs deem it as safe then that tells you who is overreacting.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 13, 2009, 02:06:02 PM
Looks like yet another person trying to see racism in places where it wasn't intended.
I'm specifically talking about this example:
Things get more troubling when a scream erupts from a nearby alleyway, and Chris and Sheva spot a zombie dragging off a white woman by the hair. Chris and Sheva give chase. When they find the woman, something has happened to her. She falls limply into Chris' arms. "Are you OK?" Chris asks repeatedly. The woman, of course, promptly transforms into a zombie. She has been infected.
Chris and Sheva are forced to destroy this abomination. It happens so quickly that you don't really have a chance to unpack what's going on here; you don't think about what you're doing until after you've done it. The logical moment-after question is this: What the f*** is a white woman wearing a thigh-length black dress doing wandering around in the middle of this nowhere African village? Did her plane bound for fashion week in Madrid make a wrong turn somewhere?
I was the very first to denounce the cries of racism about the game, black zombies being zombies like any other zombie, but the aforementioned scene is unnecessary to the point that I have to not only question its inclusion but also start to admit that this does, in fact, feel racist.
A black male zombie dragging a pretty, well-dressed white woman away by the hair only to have her infected and defiled as a result? That's not exactly subtle symbolism.
The BBFC can form their opinions and I can form mine.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 13, 2009, 02:09:56 PM
Post by: vudu on March 13, 2009, 02:14:48 PM
An unfavorable review. (http://www.crispygamer.com/gamereviews/2009-03-12/resident-evil-5-xbox-360.aspx)
I have a hard time taking the guy's opinion seriously when one of the pros listed is the game is Shorter than Resident Evil 4.
Post by: bustin98 on March 13, 2009, 02:15:08 PM
The scene seems to have brought in another aspect of the story, only to have the game play without even acknowledging there was another story to tell. It was poor judgement to have the scene in the game.
BTW, I guess I'm behind on my thoughts of Valve. The 'charging for more game' brought back what they have said in the past about Half-Life 2 and the episodes. I guess its not as applicable since its more like expansion packs and not charging for extra modes that should have been included in the first place. I hope Capcom takes some heat for it.
Vudu: If you were just annoyed by the friendly AI and all the managing that is required, would you want a 7 hour game or a 13 hour game? It could be a good thing for those solo players that it isn't longer.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 13, 2009, 02:20:00 PM
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The scene seems to have brought in another aspect of the story, only to have the game play without even acknowledging there was another story to tell. It was poor judgement to have the scene in the game.
Like I said it is fair to say it may have racially insensitive. But the situation is so cliche in games now I really don't think they intended to be racist. Then again I'm so sick of being so politically incorrect I'm not going to hold it against them beyond it being stupidly cliched. So in closing, the game needs more gay black zombies dragging more white men away, or how about black women dragging a white man away? I should be a designer for capcom!
Better yet maybe you could culturally sensitive black zombies that take people, men and women, of all races into the back alley. That would be the best!
Post by: Halbred on March 13, 2009, 02:28:09 PM
Boy howdy, when I see IGN and GI give great reviews to RE5, a game I was already excited about, I think "Wow, this game is gonna kick ass. I can't wait to see what Wesker's got up his sleeve this time." But it seems like a large portion of the intertubes is overthinking this and getting stuck on the fact that Chris is white and he's shooting Africans.
If the game took place in the slums of India, he'd be shooting Indians. If the game took place in Antarctica, he'd be shooting penguins. The RE5 guys didn't set the game in Africa so that we could shoot black people. They set it in Africa because Africa is where humanity arose, and it would be fitting to see the next stage of our evolution (T-Virus-infected Plagas) also take place there. Instead of hating on Chris Redfield for shooting black zombies, why not place the blame on Wesker, who is infecting poor African villages in the first place?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 13, 2009, 02:32:51 PM
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penguins
Penguins dragging white women away would actually be pretty creative. Then again since they are black and white it could be symbolizing that mixed race zombies like molesting white women as well (or mixed race penguins!), can't have that.
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blame on Wesker, who is infecting poor African villages in the first place?
You know, you bring up an interesting point, I am actually offended that the game is pushing the stereotype that white people like infecting blacks with various viruses. ;)
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 13, 2009, 02:39:33 PM
I think the above logic is just as racist if not more so. Its like people are trying to find racism everywhere and how they do it is when there is two different races protrayed with the minority being portrayed supposedly negatively it must be racist. That is stupid...and it is offensive because it means people don't cry out when it is blacks violently attack blacks. Dumb.
Let's just look at the scene for what it is. A shocking scene where an attractive girl is in the wrong place at the wrong time is attacked and killed. Yes, they tried to make it more emotional with the idea of becoming a Zombie could be compared to rape. But this type of comparison to death/Zombie/Vampire transformation has been done before in movies.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 13, 2009, 02:48:48 PM
Like I said it is fair to say it may have racially insensitive. But the situation is so cliche in games now I really don't think they intended to be racist. Then again I'm so sick of being so politically incorrect I'm not going to hold it against them beyond it being stupidly cliched.
I won't deny that games make use of the damsel in distress concept to the nth degree, but the scene was both illogical and unnecessary which is why it pangs of racism. He's right on his first point: what the **** IS a pretty white woman in a thigh-length dress doing in the middle of a remote African village overrun with zombies?
If this was a village FILLED with white people, sure, it could happen and the symbolism would be more subtle and the racism element would be more easily questioned. But the simple fact is that the character described (and pictured in one of the screenshots) no more belongs in this village than a clown belongs at a funeral (unless it's a funeral for another clown or something).
And above all else, the scene is COMPLETELY unnecessary. I'm guessing that, at this point in the game, the player has already been attacked by hordes of zombies already, leaving no doubt in their mind that, yes, these hordes of zombies are dangerous and aggressive. What purpose does having a zombie drag a random character who completely doesn't fit the surroundings away serve? To make some fleeting statement about the death of beauty? A pretty black woman would've worked just fine for that.
Here's the picture of the woman in question. Blonde hair, little black dress. Huh?
http://media.crispygamer.com/screenshot/Title178/re5_1882.jpg
If it's all just Japanese callousness, then that too could stand to change. I agree wholeheartedly that Japanese devs need to stop thinking that their games are written and designed for Japan and Japan alone, especially when the VAST majority of RE5's sales will without a doubt be in other markets.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 13, 2009, 02:53:32 PM
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Here's the picture of the woman in question. Blonde hair, little black dress. Huh?
http://media.crispygamer.com/screenshot/Title178/re5_1882.jpg
Ghastly. I am so offended.
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What purpose does having a zombie drag a random character who completely doesn't fit the surroundings away serve?
Only black people live in Africa, white people are not allowed, especially pretty white women. Not to mention the RE games are so logical. You are right, I was wrong! Thanks for clearing that up. Zombies would take more care in the race of women they abduct because they are racially sensitive.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 13, 2009, 02:58:57 PM
Ghastly. I am so offended.
You've already made up your mind on the subject; that much is crystal clear, but I'd like to see you make a compelling argument for why A) this character is here at all and B) why the scene was even included to begin with.
I don't know if Capcom was being intentionally racist (I honestly doubt they were) but seriously, someone there needs to consider how people outside of Japan will react to something.
For example, I didn't know that a "thumbs up" means "Up yours" in certain countries until someone told me, but upon learning this, I made sure that I changed a character design that previously included the character using a thumbs up pose.
It's not rocket science. It's just a bit of research.
Only black people live in Africa, white people are not allowed, especially pretty white women. Not to mention the RE games are so logical. You are right, I was wrong! Thanks for clearing that up. Zombies would take more care in the race of women they abduct because they are racially sensitive.
It's not "Africa", where plenty of white people live, as I'm perfectly aware.
It's a small, desolate war-torn, shantytown village in the middle of nowhere in Africa. Just look at the screenshot where the camera is viewing Chris and the woman through a ruined wall.
The woman wouldn't have made any sense in the village from RE4 either and would've raised just as many questions had she shown up there, mainly because the cost of the dress she's wearing is probably more than the GDP of everyone in the village.
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 13, 2009, 03:16:13 PM
Look at EVERY horror film. Why do the girls wear that in the woods or what not?
My main point is it is stupid to assume blatant racism when we know the developers did not mean it as such. And to get in their heads and assume they really did mean that is impossible and judgmental.
But the more we talk about this PC sort of racism that may or may not be real, it diminishes the effects or real racism. It is out there and real, but most people just don't care or really focus on racism stories anymore because they hear about all these supposed examples and get annoyed.
This game isn't racist.
Post by: ShyGuy on March 13, 2009, 03:21:53 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 13, 2009, 03:24:55 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 13, 2009, 03:33:02 PM
My main point is it is stupid to assume blatant racism when we know the developers did not mean it as such. And to get in their heads and assume they really did mean that is impossible and judgmental.
My argument stems from another point the reviewer made:
When Evan Narcisse and I spoke with Jun Takeuchi at the DICE Summit a few weeks back, I asked Takeuchi if Chris Redfield, who behaves like a selfish jackass throughout the entire game, is intended to be a satiric comment on American culture.
Turns out I was giving Takeuchi and his team too much credit. To my disappointment, he explained that this wasn't his intention at all. "[Chris] probably isn't a nice person to be around," he said. "He probably isn't good at dealing with other people because he takes his work so seriously. You can see that in a lot of other [Japanese] games, too. Japanese people tend to like those kinds of characters more than Americans do."
Which brings me to the most troubling aspect of Resident Evil 5 -- and on a more global scale, with the videogames being produced by Japanese developers these days. They lack an awareness of the rest of the world, and an understanding of the subtext they create.
That once-charming Japanese irreverence? (Example: the absurd pseudo-macho things that Street Fighter IV's characters say before and after fights.) It's not charming anymore; it's annoying and small-minded; it's lazy. It's no longer acceptable to explain away a game's shortcomings with the excuse that "it's Japanese," and therefore comprehendible only to Japanese people. The medium has become a global entertainment; it's not the niche hobby it was five or 10 years ago. And that ever-expanding audience -- different ethnicities, different tax brackets, different levels of education, different points of view -- must be considered.
It doesn't matter if Capcom meant it or not. It's the fact that, when more Americans are buying your game than Japanese, it's time to at LEAST start thinking about what may be considered offensive to them.
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This is really the same concept behind who the media chooses to put emphasis on in murders or abductions. It is usually attractive white women, mainly because the ethnic group that will watch it is majority white. Capcom most likely chose a white woman (she could be a slutty peace keeper!) because it connected more with the group that will be majority owner of the game, white men, and the race of the zombies did not come into play. Nothing more, nothing less.
And the scene was necessary...why?
RE4 was a fucking amazing game without Leon stumbling upon random people being dragged off to die. In fact, it would've killed the immersion factor by making me pause to wonder what the hell they were doing there in the first place instead of allowing me to focus on how to best avoid losing my head via chainsaw.
Like I said, I doubt Capcom meant it, but really, Japanese developers shouldn't be excused from making something offensive because they're Japanese. Knowing what your audience may take offense to is part of being a developer.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 13, 2009, 03:44:36 PM
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It doesn't matter if Capcom meant it or not. It's the fact that, when more Americans are buying your game than Japanese, it's time to at LEAST start thinking about what may be considered offensive to them.
The last thing I want game developers to do is think about what will offend "X" group.
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And the scene was necessary...why?
RE4 was a fucking amazing game without Leon stumbling upon random people being dragged off to die. In fact, it would've killed the immersion factor by making me pause to wonder what the hell they were doing there in the first place instead of allowing me to focus on how to best avoid losing my head via chainsaw instead.
Didn't say it was a good scene but far from racist. You have to remember this game had ZERO input from the creator of RE4. They seemed to be going for what was "cool" or scary then what made sense. This game is a good example of why developers avoid having black people in their games, because no matter what was intended people are going to go the extra mile to read racist symbolism into it.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 13, 2009, 03:45:50 PM
MadWorld already makes more sense than this game and its production ideals combined.
RE5 makes No More Heroes look like Braveheart.
Post by: Halbred on March 13, 2009, 03:47:26 PM
Spak, seriously, I question whether you'd even give this scene a second glance if you played through it before reading the CrispyGamer review. Somebody is telling you that they think it's horribly offensive. I can't tell you why a pretty blonde is wandering around an African shantytown, but maybe the game takes place near South Africa? I don't know, but if you really need an explaination that the game does not provide, make one up or ask the developers. CrispyGamer should not assume racism--that's presumptive and, frankly, looking for a fight.
Japanese irreverence is a completely different topic, one that is, ironically, irrelevant. People still buy Final Fantasy and Street Fighter, and chuckle at the obviously-Japanese mannerisms. It's an accepted part of gaming. The industry STEMS FROM Japan. Anybody who's ever picked up a controller knows that. Are the Japanese willingly insulated? Sure, to some extent. But we buy games with that knowlege!
Mario will never talk. Ever. I know and accept that. I don't like it, and yeah, I chalk it up to Nintendo "irreverence," but it doesn't affect my enjoyment of the game. I go in to Galaxy fully accepting that Nintendo will never implement voice acting. Besides, Capcom's take on Chris isn't meant to be offensive. Last night on 30 Rock, Jack Doneghue was trying to come up with a name for his miniature microwave, and threw out several names because "they're offensive in other languages."
If you focus on pleasing everybody, you're not going to please ANYONE. Somebody is going to take offense at something, and you can't control that. People like CrispyGamer look for reasons to be offended, but that doesn't mean you have to.
Post by: Stogi on March 13, 2009, 03:55:40 PM
Have you thought maybe because they view the audience as mostly white so putting white woman in danger with ANY zombie would reverberate more?
Isn't that racist on it's own? As a white woman, does seeing a black woman being raped and mutilated not reverberate as much as a white woman in the same situation? Isn't the act of violence horrible enough already? Why did they have to implant a sexy white woman in order to create "the strongest reaction"?
Can't you see how that is fundamentally wrong?
This is really the same concept behind who the media chooses to put emphasis on in murders or abductions. It is usually attractive white women, mainly because the ethnic group that will watch it is majority white. Capcom most likely chose a white woman (she could be a slutty peace keeper!) because it connected more with the group that will be majority owner of the game, white men, and the race of the zombies did not come into play. Nothing more, nothing less. It is the same reason you see more white male heroes then some other ace (or gender), they are playing to the majority. They believe if you are going to have a damsel in distress that you want to have the most impact with the majority emotionally they should be of the same ethnic group.
God. This is even worse.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 13, 2009, 03:58:54 PM
Post by: Stogi on March 13, 2009, 04:02:13 PM
I don't care about black people being zombies and being shot down by white hulks. I don't really care about the white woman either. What I do care about is how people are still absolutely clueless and even worse, willing to defend how clueless they are.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 13, 2009, 04:04:09 PM
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Isn't that racist on it's own? As a white woman, does seeing a black woman being raped and mutilated not reverberate as much as a white woman in the same situation? Isn't the act of violence horrible enough already? Why did they have to implant a sexy white woman in order to create "the strongest reaction"?
You obviously didn't read what I wrote, I was saying that was Capcom's perspective and it has been common in video games ever since, well, you had graphics good enough to represent a white woman or any human character. Also you don't see her raped and mutilated. You find her and she turns into a zombie from what I understand. All you see is her drug away. The scene could also be based upon one of the staples of horror movies or really psychology in general where we connect more with people who don't really "belong" somewhere, it can invoke a sense of dread because we've all experienced it on some level. Wrong place wrong time.
The fact is that chances are the vast majority of people will not take a second look at it, and it will be (like always) a vocal minority who is offended.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 13, 2009, 04:04:59 PM
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What I do care about is how people are still absolutely clueless and even worse, willing to defend how clueless they are.
Clueless about what?
Post by: Stogi on March 13, 2009, 04:08:56 PM
I'm not talking about you being clueless either. Capcom again, being dumb. I'm sure there was a discussion about this internally before the game was ever released. It's sad to think that even so, they push it out just the same.
Absolutely clueless.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 13, 2009, 04:10:26 PM
Who here actually has played the game?
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 13, 2009, 04:12:12 PM
If you focus on pleasing everybody, you're not going to please ANYONE. Somebody is going to take offense at something, and you can't control that. People like CrispyGamer look for reasons to be offended, but that doesn't mean you have to.
Yes, because considering whether or not your game may have racist overtones is trying to please "everyone".
Really, we can't just cover this whole thing with a blanket statement like "They didn't mean it so it's okay" or "You're looking for reasons to be offended."
I'm a pretty open-minded guy and I frankly think being PC is irritating and a hinderance to race relations because it only serves to drive wedges by attempting to enforce the idea of everyone of every race being the same when people from all races are very often raised differently with a completely different set of beliefs and as such are completely different people.
Being politically correct poses the wrong question. It's not that we should view everyone as the same but that the differences in people should not override the basics of respect and human dignity offered to everyone.
That said, Capcom's actions in handling the racism issue (which they knew about since the very first RE5 trailer) seem to fall perfectly in line with their desire to release only rail shooters and ports to the Wii: in both cases, they've blundered around with all the common sense we once attributed to Sega and made all the wrong choices.
They already knew the final product would be heavily scrutinized for racism, so why they'd go out of their way to add a throwaway scene in which a white woman who isn't even characterized and doesn't belong in the game is dragged away by the hair by a black zombie is, to say the least, puzzling.
I don't care whether you're offended by it or not. The point is that Capcom and Japanese devs on the whole need to wake up and realize that there's a whole huge world out there beyond the comparatively tiny island of Japan that buys videogames. A world that, in fact, buys more videogames than the entirely of Japan at least threefold and taking that world into consideration shouldn't just be optional if the dev feels like it.
If I had a development team that released a game that hinted at racism toward Japanese or Asians in general, I'd get called on it so fast your head would spin, regardless of whether or not it was intentional.
Why do Japanese devs get a free pass to treat other races however they want?
ANYWAY I think this topic has been derailed enough lol.
Who here actually has played the game?
Yeah, back out when you get called out. :P
And I played the demo, hated the controls and that's pretty much the end of it.
Post by: DAaaMan64 on March 13, 2009, 04:17:40 PM
If you jerks would stop continuous bringing this issue up, you'd stop perpetuating the problem! Damn racists
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 13, 2009, 04:24:09 PM
They suck for ignoring issues of racism and they suck for dumping rail-shooters and ports onto the Wii so they can make money to develop games for HD consoles.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 13, 2009, 04:35:33 PM
Looks like the whole issue is for nothing.
Here's the actual video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ts7XtXxdq0&feature=related
And the followup: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBUrDYWlCyE&feature=related
The guy isn't even black: in fact, he's clearly white, he doesn't drag her by the hair, and crispy is completely full of crap about the whole scene.
Still, begs the question what the hell she was doing there at all, and after watching a lot of the gameplay, I think I can get the same exact experience by replaying RE4 on Wii, only without the god-awful analogue aiming.
Post by: Halbred on March 13, 2009, 04:39:54 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 13, 2009, 04:43:51 PM
"Hey look we have a white girl!"
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 13, 2009, 04:48:46 PM
Lol that is great. It would actually be pretty funny if the reason they put her in the game was so they could AVOID racism claims.
"Hey look we have a white girl!"
Actually, they have Jill for that.
Also, looks like Whesker is, in fact, the one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZt4qQvprDA
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 13, 2009, 04:52:34 PM
Lol that is great. It would actually be pretty funny if the reason they put her in the game was so they could AVOID racism claims.
"Hey look we have a white girl!"
Actually, they have Jill for that.
Also, looks like Whesker is, in fact, the one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZt4qQvprDA
Yeah but she isn't BLOND and white. Or maybe Capcom thought people would enjoy shooting barbie doll blond zombies!
Post by: bustin98 on March 13, 2009, 04:59:53 PM
There is a suspension of belief that has to be taken into account for anything fantasy related. And when the creators start adding elements that shake that belief, it undermines the whole process. Replace the white girl in a dress with a dinosaur. Or a cyberpunk character. Its the only character of its kind in the game, yet its used to open the game. What is your reaction to the game? Each corner you come to you are going to ask 'Am I going to see another dinosaur already?' 'Where did that thing come from?' 'How come the story is acting like it was no big deal to turn a dinosaur into a zombie just for me to kill?'
I am not going to say there is racism in the game. I do think that they used race to make a scene more dramatic than it ever would be otherwise.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 13, 2009, 05:05:43 PM
For me, the idea isn't that its a white girl in a skimpy dress. It could be a black girl in a skimpy dress. Doesn't just the skimpy dress raise a question? Its not like a party just let out and she got seperated from the group. Ok, if the game has a bunch of other zombies in outfits fit for a social gathering then I'd buy it. Cause rich people love to go to poor villages just to party and get drunk in.
All of the references I find to it just refer to her as a "random white woman", leading me to believe she has no correlation to the plot whatsoever.
This would be similar to coming across a random, well-dressed person (male, female, black, white, Indian, whatever) in RE4 who shouts for help from a balcony. I don't think the Ganados threw many swanky parties, either.
Post by: Adrock on March 13, 2009, 05:07:02 PM
Yeah but she isn't BLOND and white.Yet!
Anyway, I'm buying this tonight while I'm at work wishing I could just go home and play Resident Evil 5. Does anyone want to play co-op with me tomorrow (PS3)? Dibs on Chris because Sheva is lame.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 13, 2009, 05:08:15 PM
Post by: bustin98 on March 13, 2009, 05:12:32 PM
(I'm trading in my copy of Resistance 2 to help pay for RE5)
Post by: Adrock on March 13, 2009, 05:25:51 PM
Post by: Halbred on March 13, 2009, 05:38:11 PM
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Post by: Adrock on March 14, 2009, 01:47:32 PM
The inventory system is terrible. Whereas RE4's system made the game almost too easy by the middle/end of the game (I had so many healing items that I never had to worry about dying besides the few occasional instant kill sections), RE5's system contains a little too much micromanaging for my liking. This is directly related to....
Sheva's crappiness. Her AI is awful for the most part and you can't program her behavior. She's pretty liberal with healing items and is an ammo waster. I always have to give her ammo and she has this terrible habit of giving me ammo when I don't need it. It's especially lame that ammo sharing is all or nothing. If I have 35 bullets, I can't give Sheva 15 bullets (unless I just haven't figured that out yet). The game was obviously meant to be played co-op, but the best co-op games have good enough AI where the experience is a little less frustrating because it doesn't require so much babysitting.
The graphics are amazing though even the PS3 version doesn't output in 1080P (Booooo!!!).
I basically just focused on the negatives, but I don't mean to say that RE5 is a bad game. It's great. If not for having a partner (and the option for co-op), it's definitely what you'd expect out of a sequel to RE4, which is a good thing. Thus far, the voice acting kills RE4 and the plot isn't as fractured and ridiculous. I'm not sure why people would want this on the Wii as the best part about this game is playing online with voice chat and I don't know if this could be the same on the Wii with Wii Speak and crummy online structure. At the same time, RE4:WE is still a better playing game. I'm having a hard time adjusting to using the Dual Shock 3, mostly because it's not the Wii remote and nunchuck, but it's no Gamecube controller either.
Post by: ShyGuy on March 15, 2009, 01:54:18 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 15, 2009, 03:05:59 AM
I saw a tv commercial for this tonight. It had a live action Chris Redfield remembering the horrors of Africa and ready to commit suicide by jumping off a bridge. He had lost a lot of muscle tone.
Must have took him off his steroids.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 15, 2009, 03:39:49 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 15, 2009, 08:40:23 PM
I do still agree about Japanese devs not caring enough about how the rest of the world will perceive their games.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 16, 2009, 10:02:36 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 16, 2009, 11:32:54 AM
Post by: DAaaMan64 on March 16, 2009, 11:52:26 AM
I posted on crispy gamer about the review being inaccurate.
I do still agree about Japanese devs not caring enough about how the rest of the world will perceive their games.
ha. F that.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 16, 2009, 01:36:00 PM
Hell, when I played the demo I couldn't really say what race these characters were supposed to be, the lighting made them look like their skin color was "HD gaming". Also remember Uncharted (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/27-Uncharted-Drakes-Fortune).
Funniest of all, that game was made by non-Japanese developers.
Racism is universal, not exclusive to one continent! :D
Post by: Halbred on March 16, 2009, 02:40:18 PM
But even after blowing up all the barrels, he won't be dead. It doesn't help that other baddies are swarming the area, either. I eventually beat him with my rifle after running out of shotgun and handgun ammo. Dude, I hate that guy.
Anyway, I'm now in an area with traincars and lots of dogs. The dogs SUCK, especially the big ones.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 16, 2009, 03:16:33 PM
The RE4 chainsaw guys were good people. They'd take a while to kill with the lower-tier weapons, but they're still manageable mano-a-mano.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 16, 2009, 03:24:10 PM
I don't care about black people...And for those of you that are indifferent to that comment because it doesn't target you racially...
I don't really care about the white woman either.GP, you gotta feel me on this one. Cause that's not only Racist but Sexist too!!
Post by: bustin98 on March 16, 2009, 03:25:02 PM
The transformers can be shot down, then shot again to send out electric volts to everyone around. There is one at the entrance to the stairs. There is also one with the big ax dude in the first level.
Oh, later on, you face two chainsaw dudes in the same level. At least not at the same time. Upgrade your shotgun. I have mine upped all the way with the exception of how much ammo it can hold and its pretty powerful now.
Post by: Maverick on March 17, 2009, 02:10:59 AM
The did finally realize my dream of finding a way to make Jill HOTTER though. Mmmm blondes... *drool*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 17, 2009, 03:32:31 AM
Post by: Peachylala on March 17, 2009, 11:41:15 AM
Capcom basically ruined her in that CGI romp they dared call a "movie".
Post by: KDR_11k on March 17, 2009, 02:00:24 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 17, 2009, 02:01:23 PM
Post by: SirSniffy on March 17, 2009, 02:50:01 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 17, 2009, 09:03:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHphbDDTGB8&feature=channel_page
More fun than the actual game :) .
Post by: Adrock on March 18, 2009, 01:21:55 AM
I got to this cave where either Chris or Sheva can hold up a lantern. If you carry it, Sheva will waste all of her ammo. If Sheva carries the lantern, 90% of the time she shine it directly onto Chris.
I miss Leon's cheesy one-liners. :(Yeah, I know.
Yeah Jill's better off dead.So is Daisy....
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 18, 2009, 01:30:22 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on March 18, 2009, 01:49:58 AM
Post by: bosshogx on March 18, 2009, 10:23:45 AM
Here are a few comics we did for RE5:
(http://www.mondaynightcrew.com/images/comics/comic_0109_gorilililla.jpg)
Our artist didn't make Chris' arms quite as big as we wanted them. The idea was that he'd look like the Tank from L4D. Oh well.
(http://www.mondaynightcrew.com/images/comics/comic_0110_relativeage.jpg)
This is more of a slight against parents who don't pay attention to what their kids are playing. I'm surprised we haven't heard any "My kid shot/hurt/did drugs/got pregnant because of RE5" stories yet. It's probably a bit too early.
Post by: Halbred on March 18, 2009, 07:36:36 PM
Just got through the big marshland village. Geeze, that sequence sucked. When left to the AI, Sheva kinda sucks. I had to take care of like a million villagers all by my lonesome. I did notice (and like) how the behaviors for the villagers are different than the Mojini. And a few of the villagers turned into big crab things. Wierd!
Post by: Plugabugz on March 19, 2009, 05:02:18 PM
It seems to be a big success here. SUCCESS.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 19, 2009, 10:11:22 PM
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/a150100/resident-evil-5-outsells-u2-album.html
It seems to be a big success here. SUCCESS.
"Want more proof that people hate black people? Resident Evil 5 outsold U2"
Brownie points if you get the reference ;) .
Post by: ShyGuy on March 20, 2009, 01:36:00 AM
Post by: bustin98 on March 25, 2009, 02:26:30 AM
So, I haven't changed my thoughts of the game, but at least that Crispy Gamer reviewer did get something right.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 25, 2009, 02:47:41 AM
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Crispy Gamer reviewer did get something right.
Not if the guy was white.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 25, 2009, 05:04:59 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 25, 2009, 05:26:14 AM
thats gotta get a little bit boring...
Post by: EasyCure on March 25, 2009, 10:49:21 AM
Other than the number of enemies, there's not much there that makes this feel different from RE4. The graphics weren't even that great, and this was my first extensve experience with the 360 on a huge HDtv but to be fair, my friend probably didn't have all the right cabales or whatever. Point is, the whole time i was thinking "this could be done on wii and at least feel better control wise".
I don't know how i feel about co-op, because my friend was so bad at the game it barely mattered that he was there. He helped me out a few times, like shoot an enemy i couldn't see behind me or i'd steal some of his ammo, but thats about it. If i have to save my AI partner as much as i did him in the main game, i'd probably never want to finish it. Hell we barely had the desire to finish the demo after he got his head chopped off 5 times in a row.
Post by: Halbred on March 25, 2009, 05:05:12 PM
As it stands, Sheva doesn't actually do a lot on her own. I mean, she shoots stuff, but you can't coordinate your attacks without a human partner. Even so, RE5 is turning out to be one helluva ride.
Post by: Adrock on March 25, 2009, 07:24:49 PM
Upgrading her weapons is a double edged sword too. On one hand, she'll kill enemies faster. On the other, she'll still somehow waste more ammo than necessary. I'm glad Capcom opted for a new partner instead of using Jill because I'd probably end up hating Jill with a passion. I know it's not necessarily the character so much as it is the AI, but I associate my frustration with Sheva.
Post by: bustin98 on March 26, 2009, 02:32:27 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on March 26, 2009, 12:28:44 PM
Post by: Caliban on March 26, 2009, 01:59:42 PM
Post by: vudu on March 26, 2009, 04:21:01 PM
Is what Yahtzee said about the opening scene to RE5 true? Is it literally the exact same as the opening to RE4? If so, totally lame.
Post by: Adrock on March 26, 2009, 06:01:16 PM
Post by: vudu on March 26, 2009, 08:16:33 PM
Post by: Adrock on March 26, 2009, 08:41:38 PM
Post by: bustin98 on March 26, 2009, 10:30:18 PM
I'm also pretty sure RE4's timer doesn't start till you wipe out the first wave, while you just have to survive a set time limit in RE5.
Anyway, no, the levels do not mirror each other. More like homages ;) Though dissapointingly no combining jewels with goblets to make a super lion-goblet with a blazing sword. Upgrading and selling items is tons easier, without the charm of the weapon dealer. Its a give and take with the end result more on the tilt of Gears of War and less Resident Evil.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 27, 2009, 12:00:31 AM
Post by: Adrock on March 27, 2009, 01:25:18 AM
At the same time, maybe I thought RE5 was harder because I was babysitting Sheva.
Post by: Halbred on March 27, 2009, 02:52:24 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 27, 2009, 03:03:55 AM
I thought the village in RE4 was really easy. The house at the top right corner of the village has a locked door to a room with no windows. As long as you get most of the ammo and the shot gun, you can stand your ground in that room even with the chainsaw guy.
This is also true. In fact you don't need to hole yourself up in any room of the village. Just fancy footwork and your knife. Put the gun away for once.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 27, 2009, 05:35:22 AM
