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Post by: Ceric on March 03, 2013, 12:50:28 PM
Title: Re: "Wii U Can Handle Crysis 3 (And Almost Did), Says Crytek Head" -Kotaku
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 03, 2013, 01:04:02 PM
After reading a few of the comments on Kotaku, I see that most people forgot the EA/Nintendo drama over Nintendo hiring EA to help build Nintendo's online, and then EA trying to use that as an opportunity to shove Origin as a whole in the Wii U (not sure why they thought that would fly) and Nintendo denying them outright. Which led to the whole EA withdrawal of major support they stood by Nintendo and proclaimed to have.
But I can't boycott the hardworking Devs that are at the mercy of EA, as that would be counter-productive to our end goal of receiving good games and justify EA in their lack of support for the system. I can only hope everyone comes around and drops all these petty grudges against each other and just get back to the business of making good games for those that want to play them.
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Post by: Ceric on March 03, 2013, 01:33:07 PM
What I can do instead is only consider EA games that are on a Nintendo Platform.
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Post by: UncleBob on March 03, 2013, 03:33:33 PM
I'd like to point out - if you reward good developers ran with common sense in conjunction with publishers who have common sense, when developers that are ran by ****ty publishers close down, they shouldn't have too many problems getting picked up - which will help the good developers and the good publishers.
I'm not saying you should ignore a good game because it's published by a ****ty publisher... but don't automatically assume you're doing a good thing because you're supporting a good developer.
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Post by: Enner on March 03, 2013, 04:14:43 PM
Swore I read a similar statement in a news story a month or two ago.
Shame things didn't pan out. I would've liked to see CryEngine 3 and Crysis 3 running on the Wii U.
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Post by: Kytim89 on March 03, 2013, 04:51:31 PM
The bottom line is that EA could have simply placed this game on the eShop and made a good profit from the hardcore Wii U owners. It would not be ground breaking sales this early in the game, but it would be some pocket change. Instead EA behaves like a petulant child that is mad at her parents because they did not buy her a pony for her birthday. This is supposed to be a multi-billion dollar company run by professionals, but they behave very childish. Of course Nintendo is not going to give you the keys to their online mansion but you can rent out a room and provide quality service to your customers.
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Post by: broodwars on March 03, 2013, 05:56:26 PM
We can guess, but we'll probably never know exactly what happened between EA & Nintendo that burned that bridge so throughly. The truth is probably something far deeper, more insidious, & probably involved more fault on both sides' part than we suspect. That said, regardless of who is "at fault", EA's a major 3rd party that Nintendo has failed to persuade that the Wii U could be a viable platform, and it doesn't bode well for them. Crysis 3 isn't a game I care about in the least given that I didn't think highly of Crysis 2, but it's a game the Wii U could really use right now (especially as a technical showcase of how close to high-end PC specs the Wii U can run compared to the other console versions).
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Post by: UncleBob on March 03, 2013, 06:19:55 PM
::looks at number of EA games in personal library:: ::counts them on one hand:: ::looks at all the other great games in personal library:: ::doesn't much give a **** about EA on Nintendo consoles::
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Post by: Adrock on March 03, 2013, 06:39:42 PM
NBA Jam is the only game EA publishes that I care about. While I don't care much for EA's IPs myself, their support does stand to indirectly affect me. Their games are very popular and can only help Nintendo hardware I own or will own in the future. Can, but not necessarily does as Wii has shown. That said, I'd rather have strong support from them than not.
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Post by: Mop it up on March 03, 2013, 07:37:18 PM
I can't really think of an EA game that I care about. I know I have a few, but they must not be anything that good if I can't remember what they are at this time. The only thing that's really coming to mind is that they published TimeSplitters Future Perfect, but they don't own that series.
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Post by: Kytim89 on March 03, 2013, 08:45:40 PM
EA will probably be the next THQ considering their business practices and the way their run their IPs into the ground.
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Post by: broodwars on March 03, 2013, 08:59:06 PM
EA will probably be the next THQ considering their business practices and the way their run their IPs into the ground.
If EA were going to go under like THQ did, The Old Republic would have done them in a long time ago. Besides, the only reason you're saying that is because they haven't signed-up with Nintendo. If they had, you'd be singing their praises and spamming the boards with threads about how Nintendo should buy them. I don't care for EA's current business practices, but they still have a couple of franchises I care about (mostly from Bioware & Visceral) so I'm not going to wish them bankruptcy.
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Post by: Adrock on March 03, 2013, 09:14:48 PM
Yeah, EA isn't going anywhere. They offer great support on the other platforms which perform well. People would have to stop buying Madden for EA to be in danger and that's simply not going to happen, especially as long as they have the NFL license locked up.
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Post by: mysticgohan on March 03, 2013, 09:23:57 PM
Hey don't forget who EA is run by, you know? the same guy who ran Sega into the ground "Peter Moore"!
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Post by: BlkPaladin on March 04, 2013, 10:12:46 AM
Well if it was close to being if NFS and Lego City do reasonably well, I kind of expect we will see it down the road. (And it probably will not sell well because of the same reasons AC and ME didn't sell well.) Because even though it seems EA is holding a grudge, I doubt they will room for any competition to grow especially if Take 2 decides to try and brings its sports titles to the Wii U.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on March 04, 2013, 11:51:44 AM
Hey don't forget who EA is run by, you know? the same guy who ran Sega into the ground "Peter Moore"!
Sega was already dying before Peter Moore took over (and Moore was only in charge of Sega of America), the company was deeply in debt and doing poorly already. It would be like blaming Jason Rubin for THQ going under since he took over as president shortly before going bankrupt.
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Post by: Ian Sane on March 04, 2013, 01:15:47 PM
I personally wouldn't give a **** if EA supported my console of choice or not. They just don't make games that really interest me.
But I do recognize that they're a very successful publisher and are very popular. Any console without their support has an uphill battle and if EA isn't interested I can imagine a lot of other third parties, ones that I do care about, hanging Nintendo out to dry as well. Plus EA supports EVERYTHING. If your console doesn't have them, it can create a public perception that it is not popular or successful and that can become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
What sucks is that if EA is pissed that Nintendo didn't let them take over their online, well, what was Nintendo supposed to do? They couldn't give EA what they want. It's kind of like the SNES CD thing with Sony but at least then Nintendo handled it stupidly, switching to Philips without even consulting Sony about it. I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo did something to throw gas on the fire here but we don't know that.
EA support is like having a nose. It's nothing to brag about but if you don't have it, something is really wrong.
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Post by: Louieturkey on March 04, 2013, 02:05:52 PM
I'm still optimistic that Nintendo will figure out a way to mend the bridge that was burnt between these two companies. At this point, I don't think EA cares one way or another if their games on on Nintendo systems. So it's up to Nintendo to make it right, even if the problem was never their fault.
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Post by: Ceric on March 04, 2013, 02:09:42 PM
I'm still optimistic that Nintendo will figure out a way to mend the bridge that was burnt between these two companies. At this point, I don't think EA cares one way or another if their games on on Nintendo systems. So it's up to Nintendo to make it right, even if the problem was never their fault.
I rather Nintendo find a way to make EA care.
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Post by: Louieturkey on March 04, 2013, 02:33:07 PM
I'm still optimistic that Nintendo will figure out a way to mend the bridge that was burnt between these two companies. At this point, I don't think EA cares one way or another if their games on on Nintendo systems. So it's up to Nintendo to make it right, even if the problem was never their fault.
I rather Nintendo find a way to make EA care.
If that's the solution, then it would still mend the bridge. If Nintendo wants EA, they have to take the first step.
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Post by: nickmitch on March 04, 2013, 02:48:19 PM
What exactly would that be? Front the cost of a Mass Effect 1&2 port? Let them develop one of Nintendo's (minor) franchises? Throw EA really kick ass birthday party?
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Post by: Oblivion on March 04, 2013, 02:57:14 PM
Allow Origin to be an app on the system?
Title: Re: "Wii U Can Handle Crysis 3 (And Almost Did), Says Crytek Head" -Kotaku
Post by: Louieturkey on March 04, 2013, 02:58:49 PM
There online games on Wii U already use Origin. If other developers want to use Origin for their Wii U games, I am sure they could.
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Post by: shingi_70 on March 04, 2013, 03:21:19 PM
I'm confused with this whole I don't care if EA games are on the system because they don't interest me I hear on Nintendo sites so often. Even though the games don't interest you surely you must admit not having these titles hampers the system compared to others.
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Post by: nickmitch on March 04, 2013, 03:37:00 PM
It's the old "it doesn't matter to me, so it's obviously not important" argument. It's kind of like the inverse of the "I like this thing, why isn't it more successful?" or "Why did they cancel Arrested Development?!" paradox.
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Post by: pokepal148 on March 04, 2013, 04:30:53 PM
EA can sure hold a grudge next madden 14 for wii u will be a port of a saturn game
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Post by: Adrock on March 04, 2013, 05:58:23 PM
That's too much effort. If EA really wanted to be dicks, they could just take Madden '13 code, do some basic updates and change '13 to '14. Voila, new game! Nah, EA would never do that. (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/385833/features/fifa-13-wii-vs-fifa-12-wii-the-shocking-truth/)
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Post by: ejamer on March 04, 2013, 07:04:10 PM
::looks at number of EA games in personal library:: ::counts them on one hand:: ::looks at all the other great games in personal library:: ::doesn't much give a **** about EA on Nintendo consoles::
If you don't care about EA as a publisher, then which publishers do matter? Ubisoft is all shovelware. Activision is licensed garbage and annualized sequels, so who cares about them. Atlus and Xseed don't do anything appealing unless you care about some really niche, oddball titles. Sega? Hahahah...
We all know the only publisher who matters is Nintendo. End of story.
Oh wait... I own about ten EA games, and a bunch of fun Ubisoft titles, and even Activision has found a place on my shelf (despite not liking how they do business). And I'm a bit of an Atlus/Xseed fanboy because those are experiences that you just don't get anywhere else. Sega? Yep, a handful of my favorite Wii games came from the Hedgehog house.
So maybe having support from lots of different publishers and getting a wide variety of game experiences on the console isn't such a bad thing. Write off even one of those or other publishers and it's my collection that suffers (and my interest in the console that weakens) as a result.
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Post by: Mop it up on March 04, 2013, 07:13:45 PM
I never said EA wasn't important, just that I don't personally care. There's a difference.
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Post by: Ian Sane on March 04, 2013, 07:50:23 PM
I have noticed that since the N64 era, it's pretty normal to encounter Nintendo fans with a bit too much of a "eh, who needs them?" attitude about third parties. I think it just stems from growing up in an era where third party games on a Nintendo console are rare and the easiest way to cope with many games not being available on your system of choice is to tell yourself they aren't worth a damn in the first place.
When third parties complain about only first party games selling on a Nintendo console THIS is what they mean. Whole generations of Nintendo fanboys who have only known the idea of a Nintendo console being for Nintendo games. Nintendo's third party support has sucked long enough for full grown adults to have never known anything else and their buying habbits are very first party centric as a result.
Having grown up in the NES and SNES era the N64 presented a painful scenario of choosing only one part of what, until then, had been the traditional Nintendo experience. Neither the N64 or the Playstation would be truly satisfying. So I look at everything from the N64 onward as a compromise of how things are "supposed" to be.
So I think for some they are well aware of the full impact of what EA ditching Nintendo could mean and it doesn't matter to them because the Wii U could be literallly nothing but Nintendo games and that would not come across as strange or even undesirable to them. Nintendo has had to train their fans to not care about third party support in order to maintain any sort of customer satisfaction and it has worked. Or as the third party situation has become more and more hopeless those that care give up on Nintendo, leaving only those that don't.
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Post by: Adrock on March 04, 2013, 08:27:41 PM
Back in the SNES days, my mom bought some **** 3rd party games. Seriously, I had Tom and Jerry for SNES. It was 10 kinds of awful. It wasn't her fault because neither of us knew better. My experience with 3rd party games when I was younger made me skeptical because I played the wrong ones. When picking a game was my choice, it just became easier to ask for a Nintendo made game because those rarely disappointed. As I got older, I wised up and went back and bought many of the 3rd party greats I missed. I'm looking at you Final Fantasy III in SNES.
Nintendo spoiled me by being so consistently good. Still, I later realized that it wasn't simply that Mario and Zelda were good because they were Mario and Zelda. Rather, they were good because they were well-made. That translated to my understanding of 3rd party games. Now that I know what to look for the option isn't there. 3rd party support has generally been pretty bad on Nintendo home consoles. When it isn't, hell yeah I'll buy it. I was all over Resident Evil 4 when that came out.
I'm sure there are others in the same boat. It's not necessarily that Nintendo fans only/mostly buy Nintendo games. We're all older now. We would buy those 3rd party games if the games were available. Since we can't, we don't.
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Post by: UncleBob on March 04, 2013, 08:47:38 PM
I don't get some of the train of thought I see often.
It isn't on Nintendo console owners to support third parties. It's on third parties to make games that we want to buy.
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Post by: pokepal148 on March 04, 2013, 08:51:04 PM
I don't get some of the train of thought I see often.
It isn't on Nintendo console owners to support third parties. It's on third parties to make games that we want to buy.
and it's on them(and nintendo given the whole 'who needs em' approach) to convince us to buy them
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Post by: Adrock on March 04, 2013, 09:06:10 PM
I don't know about you, but many of them (maybe not EA) make games I want to buy. Unfortunately for them, they simply refuse to release the games on the console I want to buy them on. So, yeah, I'll buy them eventually, but I'm already given less incentive to do so right away. They can have my $20, more than that and they'll have to stop insulting me as an owner of a Nintendo console.
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Post by: ejamer on March 04, 2013, 09:21:12 PM
I don't get some of the train of thought I see often.
It isn't on Nintendo console owners to support third parties. It's on third parties to make games that we want to buy.
My question before was legit. If EA doesn't make any games that appeal to you, which publishers do matter?
It's not about Nintendo owners supporting third parties, it's about supporting good games. Far too often that just doesn't happen because people seem to hold grudges against certain publishers or unreasonable doubts about buying anything that isn't first party developed...
(Obviously everyone is going to have different opinions about what games are worth playing. But it only takes 3-4 great games per publisher to quickly build a solid library for a console. Maybe third parties are right, and owners of Nintendo consoles have developed such insular taste in games that nothing outside of Nintendo-published games appears worth buying. Sounds like BS to me... but that seems to be the argument people are putting forth.)
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Post by: UncleBob on March 04, 2013, 09:54:19 PM
I don't get some of the train of thought I see often.
It isn't on Nintendo console owners to support third parties. It's on third parties to make games that we want to buy.
My question before was legit. If EA doesn't make any games that appeal to you, which publishers do matter?
None. I don't care about publishers - I care about developers. :D
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Maybe third parties are right, and owners of Nintendo consoles have developed such insular taste in games that nothing outside of Nintendo-published games appears worth buying. Sounds like BS to me... but that seems to be the argument people are putting forth.
If third parties are so pathetic that they are basically saying "Well, we can't make a game that sells as well as Nintendo's stuff, so we're not going to bother.", then it's on them. Not us.
With that said... (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v180/TheUncleBob/2013-03-04204530_zpsc614b0de.jpg)
Hey, look. Third party games I bought on my Nintendo console. Thanks, third parties!
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Post by: Oblivion on March 04, 2013, 10:49:51 PM
But most of those are shitty games...
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Post by: marty on March 04, 2013, 11:09:52 PM
I don't really buy into the EA grudge thing. There's just no indication that that's the case considering EA is releasing Wii U games. It's far more likely that EA crunched the numbers and developing/releasing a Wii U Crysis3 didn't meet their MARR. Unless it's not on psxb360, I think sales of any online fps game on the Wii U are going to suffer from the network effect, and there's not a whole lot anyone can do about that.
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Post by: UncleBob on March 04, 2013, 11:12:51 PM
In my opinion, the ****tiest game there is EA Active, but I bought that at the request of my wife. On clearance for $10. :D
But, do tell, what games there do you consider "****ty" and why?
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Post by: SixthAngel on March 04, 2013, 11:33:33 PM
The thing about EA today is that they can't withhold any of their big guns because they don't really have control over them. Madden must go everywhere and I imagine FIFA does too just because that FIFA name doesn't come free.
Their other games just aren't as important and is basically a list of wannabees and has-beens. Those EA games are games you might want on your console but they aren't games you need. I haven't picked up an EA game in ages and the only one that has interested me for a long time is Mass Effect.
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Post by: Oblivion on March 05, 2013, 12:55:19 AM
But, do tell, what games there do you consider "****ty" and why?
Tron: Mediocre party game movie tie-in. Both Skylanders: not good games for anyone over the age of ten and/or collectors. You are a collector. Sam&Max: Horrible Port of a lame game in the series. Rayman: While not a particularly bad game, that version of the game is the worst of the home consoles. Namco: Pushing waggle too hard. Monster Hunter: Only good if you like the series. Marvel: Not as good as the original Guitar Hero III: A good game, but only if you like music games. I personally hate the genre, but I understand why it's good. EA Sports Active 2: It's just a fitness game. You play one, you play them all. Data East: Too many bad games in the collection outweigh the good. Batman: I found it boring, and has no replayibility. Back to the Future: You're kidding, right? Framerate issues and glitches ahoy. Get any other version but this one and it's an alright game. And Then: Only good if you are a fan of the ol' PC point and clock games. And even then, it isn't very good.
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Post by: broodwars on March 05, 2013, 01:04:05 AM
But, do tell, what games there do you consider "****ty" and why?
Tron: Mediocre party game movie tie-in. Both Skylanders: not good games for anyone over the age of ten and/or collectors. You are a collector. Sam&Max: Horrible Port of a lame game in the series. Rayman: While not a particularly bad game, that version of the game is the worst of the home consoles. Namco: Pushing waggle too hard. Monster Hunter: Only good if you like the series. Marvel: Not as good as the original Guitar Hero III: A good game, but only if you like music games. I personally hate the genre, but I understand why it's good. EA Sports Active 2: It's just a fitness game. You play one, you play them all. Data East: Too many bad games in the collection outweigh the good. Batman: I found it boring, and has no replayibility. Back to the Future: You're kidding, right? Framerate issues and glitches ahoy. Get any other version but this one and it's an alright game. And Then: Only good if you are a fan of the ol' PC point and clock games. And even then, it isn't very good.
Now... how many of these games have you actually played, vs. how many did you quickly look up?
A few fun examples - Skylanders has a lot of "over ten" fans. They're good, fun games if you like old school dungeon crawlers. Namco? I never used waggle in it. Lots of fun arcade games. BttF? Never really ran into any issues.
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Post by: Oblivion on March 05, 2013, 01:29:03 AM
Admittedly, the last game. And you're completely lying about BttF or you have some sort of rose-tinted glasses on. Or in your case, Nintendo-Tinted glasses.
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Post by: UncleBob on March 05, 2013, 01:39:05 AM
When I say I never really ran into issues, I meant with the game play, not the cut scenes, by the way.
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Post by: UncleBob on March 05, 2013, 01:43:42 AM
Rayman: While not a particularly bad game, that version of the game is the worst of the home consoles.
Had to reference this one... Metacritic would seem to disagree: PC 86 3DS 71 360 87 PS3 87 Vita 88 Wii 92
And I feel obligated to point out the following (only using the console data):
360 - based on 55 reviews PS3 - based on 43 reviews Wii - based on 13 reviews
Yeah, it's easier to get a higher overall score when only 13 recorded critics (over 3 times less than the other versions) gave enough of a damn about the Wii version of the game to review it.
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Post by: Oblivion on March 05, 2013, 01:53:44 AM
Rayman: While not a particularly bad game, that version of the game is the worst of the home consoles.
Had to reference this one... Metacritic would seem to disagree: PC 86 3DS 71 360 87 PS3 87 Vita 88 Wii 92
And I feel obligated to point out the following (only using the console data):
360 - based on 55 reviews PS3 - based on 43 reviews Wii - based on 13 reviews
Yeah, it's easier to get a higher overall score when only 13 recorded critics (over 3 times less than the other versions) gave enough of a damn about the Wii version of the game to review it.
LOL
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Post by: UncleBob on March 05, 2013, 01:58:44 AM
Well, I asked why you consider them ****ty. You then admitted that you haven't played most of them and based your opinion from looking stuff up online... so if that's allowed, I'd think I should be allowed to also look stuff up online, right? :D
And you realize that's an average score, right?
I mean, if the number of reviews makes it easier to get a higher score, shouldn't the PC version (which some quick research shows to virtually be the console version) have a higher score with the mere 11 reviews it has?
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Post by: Oblivion on March 05, 2013, 02:01:14 AM
I admitted to not playing the LAST one. Jesus dude, pay the **** attention.
And dude, the lower number of reviews means the easier it is for the average score to be sided either way. Kind of like when the Rotten Tomatoes score for the last Twilight movie was 100% when it had less than ten reviews. Simple 6th grade math.
Come on.
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Post by: UncleBob on March 05, 2013, 02:03:04 AM
GameFAQs Reviews: Wii (5 reviews) - Average 9.4 360 (4 reviews) - Average 9.0 PS3 (3 reviews) - Average 9.0
Weird... the two games with the lowest scores also have the least amount of reviews. :D
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Post by: broodwars on March 05, 2013, 02:04:31 AM
I mean, if the number of reviews makes it easier to get a higher score, shouldn't the PC version (which some quick research shows to virtually be the console version) have a higher score with the mere 11 reviews it has?
All things being equal with all reviewers having similar tastes, yes. I was just pointing out that the lower your sampling size, the greater the impact an individual score has on the average. Likewise, the greater the sampling size, the less impact an individual score has on the average.
I just don't think comparing scores between versions is an altogether fair comparison if the sampling size isn't roughly equal. That's all I was saying. You may now resume the pummeling. :P: :
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Post by: UncleBob on March 05, 2013, 02:05:39 AM
I admitted to not playing the LAST one. Jesus dude, pay the **** attention.
Maybe you should learn to properly answer questions. I gave you an either/or and your answer did not specify which of those options.
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Post by: Oblivion on March 05, 2013, 02:09:46 AM
You are a horrible debater. Like a 6th grader in his first debate class. You ignore parts of my post and you pick apart parts that are irrelevant and make it a main focus when you have been clearly beaten.
You are a horrible debater. Like a 6th grader in his first debate class. You ignore parts of my post and you pick apart parts that are irrelevant and make it a main focus when you have been clearly beaten.
I admitted to not playing the LAST one. Jesus dude, pay the **** attention.
Maybe you should learn to properly answer questions. I gave you an either/or and your answer did not specify which of those options.
Once again, picking apart irrelevant info You knew exactly what I meant to say. That I only looked up the last one.
I respond to what you say. You respond with insults. Sorry.
And, believe it or not, I don't know anything about your gaming habits and find it hard to believe that you played all of those games but one. You must have far more free time than I do.
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Post by: Oblivion on March 05, 2013, 02:17:22 AM
I am 18. I do have more free time than you do. Calling you a horrible debater is not an insult. It's a fact. You ignore what I s-you know what? I've already said it before. Not going to say it again.
You piss me off more than any other person I've even spoken to in my entire life.
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Post by: UncleBob on March 05, 2013, 02:25:18 AM
You should consider playing games that you like in your free time. Like, if you play the first Skylanders and think it's for kids, you probably shouldn't waste your time playing the second one.
Are pretty much all meant in an insulting manner and you know it. Don't pretend otherwise.
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Not going to say it again.
Promise?
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You piss me off more than any other person I've even spoken to in my entire life.
Wow. You've had a pretty sweet life if the worst you've ever had to deal with is some guy on the internet who has a different opinion of games than you. I had a guy harass me at work the other day wanting me to pay for the damage to his vehicle after he drove into a stop sign owned by the state of Illinois. And that's just the most annoying person I've spoken with in the past five days.
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Post by: Oblivion on March 05, 2013, 02:27:57 AM
You know what? **** it. I'm done with this thread.
(http://i.imgur.com/LaHNveE.gif)
You win. Nice strategy, pissing me off so much that I can't hope to argue back.
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Post by: UncleBob on March 05, 2013, 02:29:26 AM
With that said... (image of a bunch of third party games)
Hey, look. Third party games I bought on my Nintendo console. Thanks, third parties!
The real problem I see with your image is that it's missing a ton of great games. Where is A Boy and His Blob, or Boom Blox, or Dawn of Discovery, or House of the Dead, or Little King's Story, or Fishing Resort, or Beatles Rock Band, or Disney Guilty Party, or Tatsunoko vs Capcom, or... The list could go on for a while, covering a lot of games from different genres and publishers.
That said, I'm not judging. Your image also has 3-4 games that look great but I haven't picked up yet plus Skylanders, which looks decent but gets ignored because it's way out of my league with respect to pricing; yes, I would want to collect them all.
Saying it's ok to write off major publishing companies entirely because you only care about developers is disingenuous. It takes both sides to get a game released. Drop a publisher and you lose some good games for the system. Lose enough good games for the system and it becomes less attractive to the Average Joe consumer and ends up selling fewer units. Sell fewer units, and more publishers drop support further limiting the library. Etc etc, the pattern isn't hard to see.
I'm not saying that Nintendo needs to pander to third parties. I'm not saying that third parties are releasing good games on a consistent basis and should be supported blindly. What I am saying: games need to be judged on their own merits on a case-by-case basis - not by some label on the outside of the box.
Also, is anyone else extremely disappointed that Rayman Origins on Wii had such a small number of reviews? That game is friggin' awesome.
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Post by: UncleBob on March 05, 2013, 10:53:39 AM
Saying it's ok to write off major publishing companies entirely because you only care about developers is disingenuous. It takes both sides to get a game released.
Thankfully, and this is one thing I do like about digital distribution, we're going to be reaching a time where this isn't true. :D
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Drop a publisher and you lose some good games for the system. Lose enough good games for the system and it becomes less attractive to the Average Joe consumer and ends up selling fewer units. Sell fewer units, and more publishers drop support further limiting the library. Etc etc, the pattern isn't hard to see.
What? That isn't the pattern I saw with the Wii. It sold roughly seventy bazillion units and was the single most attractive system for "Average Joe" and publishers still dropped support.
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What I am saying: games need to be judged on their own merits on a case-by-case basis - not by some label on the outside of the box.
To some extent, I agree. Sure, my initial thoughts about a game are going to be tainted by the name on the label - but, if it's a good enough game, and something that interests me, then I'll get over it and buy the game. But, if a company has a history of releasing games I don't care about, then, eventually, I'm going to just stop caring about them. If they issued a press release that says "I'm no longer going to release games for your system of choice.", I wouldn't even bat an eye.
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Also, is anyone else extremely disappointed that Rayman Origins on Wii had such a small number of reviews? That game is friggin' awesome.
No, because it's the worst version of the game EVER and is therefore ****ty.
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Post by: ejamer on March 05, 2013, 12:19:41 PM
Also, is anyone else extremely disappointed that Rayman Origins on Wii had such a small number of reviews? That game is friggin' awesome.
No, because it's the worst version of the game EVER and is therefore ****ty.
Worst version of pure awesome is still awesome - especially when the only meaningful differences in the Wii version are SD graphics and superior control options. Looks like we're going to have to disagree here.
(Also, wasn't the 3DS release the worst one? Besides releasing much later than every other version for no clear reason, people complained heavily about the demo when it came out.)
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Post by: UncleBob on March 05, 2013, 12:45:12 PM
Sorry... the sarcasm in my reply didn't translate well. :D
No, it's a great game. Completely. Which is why I still have plans to pick up Legends, whenever UBISoft decides us WiiU owners are worthy.
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Post by: Louieturkey on March 05, 2013, 02:35:20 PM
And here I thought that was a fun debate with everyone smiling. I see Kirby all happy next to Oblivion's name. Then he got angry. I don't like Kirby when he's angry because it looks like he's still smiling. :-[
It shouldn't matter who the publisher is. It should matter if you want to play the game or not.
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Post by: Mop it up on March 05, 2013, 05:50:38 PM
I have more third-party Wii and DS games than first-party. Though I don't think very many are from the larger publishers. The thing is, they haven't really released very many quality games on Nintendo platforms for a while now. The willingness to buy third-party products is there, it's the games that aren't.
And here I thought that was a fun debate with everyone smiling.
I was having fun. I guess when the worst thing you have to deal with is some random dude on the internet who has a different taste in games than you, you just get angry over little things easier.
Dealing with $300 worth of fraudulent coupons today. I wish video game arguments where the worst I had to deal with.
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Post by: Mop it up on March 05, 2013, 05:59:46 PM
What's different about the TRU version?
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Post by: Oblivion on March 05, 2013, 06:06:15 PM
And here I thought that was a fun debate with everyone smiling.
I was having fun. I guess when the worst thing you have to deal with is some random dude on the internet who has a different taste in games than you, you just get angry over little things easier.
Dealing with $300 worth of fraudulent coupons today. I wish video game arguments where the worst I had to deal with.
Enough.
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Post by: UncleBob on March 05, 2013, 06:10:21 PM
Why yes, Master Oblivion. Whatever you say. You're the boss.
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Post by: Sarail on March 05, 2013, 06:10:41 PM
Hey, Crytek/EA...
I'd buy Crysis 3 on Wii U. YOU MAD, BRO?
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Post by: alegoicoe on March 05, 2013, 06:44:07 PM
I think Crisys is an overrated series made famous due to the amazing graphics of the first one six years ago :cool;
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 05, 2013, 07:12:05 PM
My favorite part was afterwards, when Jack Nicholson sarcastically admitted the superiority of Leonardo DiCaprio, then Leo went and complained to the bartender that Jack Nicholson was being mean when he said that.
Damn, The Departed is a good movie.
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Post by: pokepal148 on March 05, 2013, 10:02:03 PM
Well, I asked why you consider them ****ty. You then admitted that you haven't played most of them and based your opinion from looking stuff up online... so if that's allowed, I'd think I should be allowed to also look stuff up online, right? :D
And you realize that's an average score, right?
I mean, if the number of reviews makes it easier to get a higher score, shouldn't the PC version (which some quick research shows to virtually be the console version) have a higher score with the mere 11 reviews it has?
I admitted to not playing the LAST one. Jesus dude, pay the **** attention.
And dude, the lower number of reviews means the easier it is for the average score to be sided either way. Kind of like when the Rotten Tomatoes score for the last Twilight movie was 100% when it had less than ten reviews. Simple 6th grade math.
Come on.
get a room lovebirds in fact i aready have one prepared for you in the funhouse
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Post by: Jabs on March 06, 2013, 12:12:44 AM
I think Crisys is an overrated series made famous due to the amazing graphics of the first one six years ago :cool;
Personally I loved the first one, it at least gave a great sense of freedom in the play style. It wasn't the most balance game ever but it had some real charm to it. Then they made No 2 and 3 and it kind of just died.
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Post by: alegoicoe on March 06, 2013, 01:58:11 AM
I think Crisys is an overrated series made famous due to the amazing graphics of the first one six years ago :cool;
Personally I loved the first one, it at least gave a great sense of freedom in the play style. It wasn't the most balance game ever but it had some real charm to it. Then they made No 2 and 3 and it kind of just died.
Its a series with no identity, crisys one was a tech demo and EA tried to make a franchise out of it. So no, i do not want to play it on Wii U.
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Post by: Enner on March 06, 2013, 04:08:07 AM
The Nanosuit of Crysis makes the series unique beyond being a technical powerhouse and environmentally vast (in the first game). It's a power suit that actually offers powers. Sadly, it was simplified from 2 and on.
I'll grant you that it is arguably an insignificant difference among an extremely crowded genre, but it was enough for me to pay attention to the series and its developer.
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Post by: Louieturkey on March 06, 2013, 12:32:59 PM
I think Crisys is an overrated series made famous due to the amazing graphics of the first one six years ago :cool;
Personally I loved the first one, it at least gave a great sense of freedom in the play style. It wasn't the most balance game ever but it had some real charm to it. Then they made No 2 and 3 and it kind of just died.
Isn't Crysis Warhead another game in the series? So really there are four, just like Assassin's Creed IV is actually the sixth game in the series (unless Warhead was just an expansion of 1, TJ will correct me if I'm wrong). :)
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Post by: Enner on March 06, 2013, 12:44:41 PM
Crysis: Warhead is a stand-alone expansion to the original Crysis (pretty sure that's the company line). It's main goal was to be a leaner, better optimized Crysis, and it was largely successful at that. Out of Crysis (1), Warhead, and Crysis 2, Warhead is my favorite. From what I've read and heard of Crysis 3, I expect Warhead to remain my favorite.
