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Title: I ARE STUPID
Post by: ShyGuy on January 16, 2013, 12:25:47 AM
The information age is a massive failure! As a society, as a culture, we have more access to knowledge than any other time, but the majority are wilfully ignorant and lazy!
PUTTING COMPUTERS IN THE CLASSROOM DIDNT DO JACK
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: azeke on January 16, 2013, 12:32:49 AM
hurr, u mad?
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on January 16, 2013, 12:43:25 AM
The misinformation age
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: Oblivion on January 16, 2013, 12:54:55 AM
Da deetz age be a massive failure, muthafucka! As a society, as a cold-ass lil culture, our crazy-ass asses have mo' access ta knowledge than any other time yo, but tha majoritizzle is wilfully ignorant n' lazy!
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: ShyGuy on January 16, 2013, 01:34:20 AM
Da deetz age be a massive failure, muthafucka! As a society, as a cold-ass lil culture, our crazy-ass asses have mo' access ta knowledge than any other time yo, but tha majoritizzle is wilfully ignorant n' lazy!
President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho, I presume?
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: Tlon on January 16, 2013, 05:28:09 AM
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 16, 2013, 11:53:56 AM
Every student having a tablet is certainly a huge improvement over having a couple computers over in the corner that, in my experience, barely get used. Tech only really gets used when it can be used for the whole class simultaneously, and except in rare cases that's only currently possible in dedicated computer labs, which have their own issues, including having to be shared by numerous classrooms, limiting their availability.
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: UncleBob on January 16, 2013, 12:03:15 PM
Technology isn't the problem and it isn't the answer.
It's how the material is taught to the students.
Throwing a tablet at them and telling them to research when the first Google result is Wikipedia isn't going to help them much.
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 16, 2013, 12:06:21 PM
Well then it's a good thing that in my experience that's not how it's done.
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: Tlon on January 16, 2013, 05:17:55 PM
Throwing a tablet at them and telling them to research when the first Google result is Wikipedia isn't going to help them much.
I wouldn't recommend doing that. I read somewhere in the interweb that they once did that to students at a monastery somewhere and they were buried underneath the tablets alive. See Picture Below
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: ShyGuy on January 16, 2013, 06:03:08 PM
The CEO of Google sends his kids to a private school that has no computers.
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: lolmonade on January 16, 2013, 06:51:46 PM
The only thing easy access to information accomplished is that it conditioned us to know where to find the knowledge, not to retain any actual knowledge.
When obtaining information was hard to come by (going to a local library, search through encyclopedias, etc), we had to write down notes to retain the information, and then re-write the same information into our papers.
With the internet obtainable everywhere now, our brains have no use for retaining the actual fact unless we're trying out for Jeopardy or something.
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 16, 2013, 07:01:45 PM
Retaining facts really isn't that important, though. What's important is the ability to find information and to process it, which is what modern schools teach.
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: ShyGuy on January 16, 2013, 07:19:20 PM
Application anyone?
NO I DIDNT THINK SO WHATS ON THE HONEY BOO BOO TONIGHT
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 16, 2013, 08:30:34 PM
Every generation thinks the one coming up behind it is ruining everything, and that the world is in horrible condition compared to the past. Go back through history, it has been consistently true for centuries. The present never lives up to the idealized, inaccurate view of the past people have in their minds.
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: EasyCure on January 16, 2013, 09:01:10 PM
Every generation thinks the one coming up behind it is ruining everything, and that the world is in horrible condition compared to the past. Go back through history, it has been consistently true for centuries. The present never lives up to the idealized, inaccurate view of the past people have in their minds.
“Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.” ― Socrates (http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/275648.Socrates)
Sounds awfully familiar.
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 16, 2013, 09:48:49 PM
That's the fascinating thing about history. There are things that have changed dramatically in the past few years, and things that are exactly the same today as they were 2,000 years ago.
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: EasyCure on January 16, 2013, 09:54:49 PM
That's the fascinating thing about history. There are things that have changed dramatically in the past few years, and things that are exactly the same today as they were 2,000 years ago.
I'd rather live 2000 years ago with a wii u than now with a wii u... wait..?
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 16, 2013, 10:00:03 PM
History is written by the victors, so who ever wins the War of the Web will be able to decipher the meaning of that statement in the context of this conversation.....
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: EasyCure on January 16, 2013, 10:38:22 PM
...... and then decipher that one.. and explain it to me.. in graph form...
haha.. my basskitty looks like it's playing for your pooping elmo, and elmo likes it... HAHAHAHAHA
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: nickmitch on January 16, 2013, 10:55:21 PM
The answer is belts. Belts raise kids.
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on January 16, 2013, 11:42:03 PM
Destroy society
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: ShyGuy on January 17, 2013, 12:48:49 AM
I see reading comprehension is stellar in this thread. I guess that proves my point. When did I start whining about the good ol' days? My argument is people are as stupid as they've ever been and the technology revolution in education has been, in a large part, a waste of time and money.
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on January 17, 2013, 01:22:59 AM
I see reading comprehension is stellar in this thread. I guess that proves my point. When did I start whining about the good ol' days? My argument is people are as stupid as they've ever been and the technology revolution in education has been, in a large part, a waste of time and money.
Hmm, yes, let's get disappointed at a lack of serious engagement in the funhouse.
I think I have more pictures of people setting McDonald's on fire if that helps.
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: Khushrenada on January 17, 2013, 02:00:36 AM
Every generation thinks the one coming up behind it is ruining everything, and that the world is in horrible condition compared to the past. Go back through history, it has been consistently true for centuries. The present never lives up to the idealized, inaccurate view of the past people have in their minds.
Yo! Dis is da fightin' freak Knuckles here and I just want to give some props and a true dat to this statement. This pretty much sums up the perception problem Sonic games have. It's time to take off those rose-colored glasses and realize Sonic games haven't changed. You have. Now, if you'll excuse me,
Tooka shuttle ta space And left from our home At least we with friends And I'm not all alone Bad thing was dat da emeralds spilled Gotta search space man Time'na get ill
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on January 17, 2013, 03:23:16 AM
I haven't even read the thread, but I'm pretty sure it's just SHYGUY YELLS AT CLOUD
(http://i.imgur.com/9nFjG.jpg)
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 17, 2013, 10:48:25 AM
I see reading comprehension is stellar in this thread. I guess that proves my point. When did I start whining about the good ol' days? My argument is people are as stupid as they've ever been and the technology revolution in education has been, in a large part, a waste of time and money.
I'm willing to bet I've spent more time in schools recently than you have, and that's just plain wrong.
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: UncleBob on January 17, 2013, 11:00:17 AM
Depends on your goal.
Sure, folks can use computers and such. But how are their other skills? Go read GameFAQs and check out the grammar there. My high school English teacher would hang herself.
So, is proper grammar (or something that resembles it) important? We all laugh when we see the sign at the local fast food joint that says something like "Try Are New Pizza", but it is scary to me to think that is where our society is heading.
Additionally, I strongly disagree that knowing stuff isn't as important as having the ability to access stuff. You need a good balance of each.
Let's say we set up a colony on Mars in 10 years. Do you want to send a bunch of people who don't know how to do anything except turn on a computer and see how to do something, or do you want to send people who actually have a knowledge base on how to maintain the day-to-day operations of the facility?
If you're in the first group, and something goes wrong... you're going to be in big trouble.
Knowing how to solve a problem exactly how everyone else solves it allows you to solve that problem. Knowing know to come to the solution to the problem allows you to adapt the solution to your own, unique situation.
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: UncleBob on January 17, 2013, 11:17:45 AM
To give a more practical application of what I'm talking about...
As you know, I work for a major retailer. One of my jobs involves auditing price changes and doing research to find missed markdowns (which lead to shrink - which is bad).
Now, when I started this position years ago, there was a process. It involved printing reports, digging through them, blah, blah, blah. I work in a small store and it took me a day to do it the way that we were told to do it if you looked up the official procedures at the time. One day, spent doing all this. Painful. I couldn't imagine if I worked in a larger store and the reports that printed were 3-4 times the size of mine.
But if all you know how to do is power on the computer and search "How do I do this", you're going to be told to go through these reports, etc., etc.
Well, I thought that was stupid, so using my established knowledge base, combined with the instructions I was given, I compiled a spreadsheet that, when you plug these various reports in... it does all the work for you. What previously took me a day to do can now be done in a little under an hour. Bonus, I can run this report for any store in the company from my own little computer. Extra bonus - it doesn't miss stuff. Let me tell you, going through the lines and lines of data, you can skip over things. This doesn't. Extra super bonus - I was able to refine the process of one of the reports. The previous way used weekly sales figures. My method uses DAILY sales figures. If you manually had to comb through daily sales figures, you'd never get done. So now, my report is even more accurate than the previous method. Super extra super bonus - At the end of this process, you print two pages (possibly more, depending on how many mistakes you find). The previous process involved printing a report that weighed about 10 pounds. In my tiny store. Spread that across thousands of stores. Most larger than mine. Compared to printing two or three pages.
...and now, stores all over the country are using my spreadsheet to do this process. Because someone, instead of just looking up how to do the process and do it as told, took their existing knowledge base and adapted it to the situation.
*PS: Forgot to mention, this process? It's a weekly thing. :D
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: Sarail on January 17, 2013, 11:25:23 AM
UncleBob, I applauded you... because you saved trees.
Thanks.
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: ShyGuy on January 17, 2013, 01:26:54 PM
I see reading comprehension is stellar in this thread. I guess that proves my point. When did I start whining about the good ol' days? My argument is people are as stupid as they've ever been and the technology revolution in education has been, in a large part, a waste of time and money.
I'm willing to bet I've spent more time in schools recently than you have, and that's just plain wrong.
What do I win in this bet? I'm a computer technician for a school district. I'm in multiple schools full time.
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: UncleBob on January 17, 2013, 01:52:56 PM
Also, being able to research and being able to apply is the difference between being able to answer 5+2.83+8.62+13.13= (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=5%2B2.83%2B8.62%2B13.13) and Jason, Zach, Billy and Tommy want to order a pizza and bread sticks. Jason has a five dollar bill. Zach has two one dollar bills, three quarters, a nickel and three pennies. Tommy has a five dollar bill, six one dollar bills, seven quarters, three dimes and eight pennies. Billy has a five dollar bill, three ones, two quarters a dime, two pennies and an Alpha Five. When they call Pizza Hut and ask the price of a deep dish pepperoni and mushroom pizza along with a family-sized order of bread sticks, they're told it is $25. The tax rate is six and a quarter percent. Do these four teenagers with attitude have enough money to place their order? (https://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbo=d&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=Jason%2C+Zach%2C+Billy+and+Tommy+want+to+order+a+pizza+and+bread+sticks.++Jason+has+a+five+dollar+bill.++Zach+has+two+one+dollar+bills%2C+three+quarters%2C+a+nickel+and+three+pennies.++Tommy+has+a+five+dollar+bill%2C+six+one+dollar+bills%2C+seven+quarters%2C+three+dimes+and+eight+pennies.++Billy+has+a+five+dollar+bill%2C+three+ones%2C+two+quarters+a+dime%2C+two+pennies+and+an+Alpha+Five.++When+they+call+Pizza+Hut+and+ask+the+price+of+a+deep+dish+pepperoni+and+mushroom+pizza+along+with+a+family-sized+order+of+bread+sticks%2C+they%27re+told+it+is+%2425.++The+tax+rate+is+six+and+a+quarter+percent.++Do+these+four+teenagers+with+attitude+have+enough+money+to+place+their+order%3F&oq=Jason%2C+Zach%2C+Billy+and+Tommy+want+to+order+a+pizza+and+bread+sticks.++Jason+has+a+five+dollar+bill.++Zach+has+two+one+dollar+bills%2C+three+quarters%2C+a+nickel+and+three+pennies.++Tommy+has+a+five+dollar+bill%2C+six+one+dollar+bills%2C+seven+quarters%2C+three+dimes+and+eight+pennies.++Billy+has+a+five+dollar+bill%2C+three+ones%2C+two+quarters+a+dime%2C+two+pennies+and+an+Alpha+Five.++When+they+call+Pizza+Hut+and+ask+the+price+of+a+deep+dish+pepperoni+and+mushroom+pizza+along+with+a+family-sized+order+of+bread+sticks%2C+they%27re+told+it+is+%2425.++The+tax+rate+is+six+and+a+quarter+percent.++Do+these+four+teenagers+with+attitude+have+enough+money+to+place+their+order%3F&gs_l=hp.3...15459.15459.1.16638.1.1.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.XBnFvuAZAUs&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.41018144,d.b2U&fp=39229db1bfeec18f&biw=1366&bih=665)
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: Crimm on January 17, 2013, 02:33:44 PM
UncleBob just made it easier for the bigbox stores to rollover mom 'n pop retailers. Small companies are the cornerstones of our towns and your process made it that much easier for them to DIE.
FOR SHAME
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: UncleBob on January 17, 2013, 02:37:17 PM
To be fair, mom and pop stores don't likely have the same kind of markdown issue we do. ;)
But, if there a mom and pop that wants to pay me to come in, review their store and help them fix things, my email is in my signature. I like money. :)
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 17, 2013, 03:39:57 PM
I see reading comprehension is stellar in this thread. I guess that proves my point. When did I start whining about the good ol' days? My argument is people are as stupid as they've ever been and the technology revolution in education has been, in a large part, a waste of time and money.
I'm willing to bet I've spent more time in schools recently than you have, and that's just plain wrong.
What do I win in this bet? I'm a computer technician for a school district. I'm in multiple schools full time.
Well since I'm a teacher, I guess it's a tie then.
And UncleBob, when I said knowing things wasn't important, I meant knowing facts. Knowing how to do things is important.
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: Stogi on January 17, 2013, 04:01:41 PM
I see reading comprehension is stellar in this thread. I guess that proves my point. When did I start whining about the good ol' days? My argument is people are as stupid as they've ever been and the technology revolution in education has been, in a large part, a waste of time and money.
I'm willing to bet I've spent more time in schools recently than you have, and that's just plain wrong.
What do I win in this bet? I'm a computer technician for a school district. I'm in multiple schools full time.
Well since I'm a teacher, I guess it's a tie then.
And UncleBob, when I said knowing things wasn't important, I meant knowing facts. Knowing how to do things is important.
Do you have a Smart Board?
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 17, 2013, 05:45:17 PM
My current school has some of them, but not in my classroom.
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: lolmonade on January 17, 2013, 06:16:09 PM
I think technology in the classroom is used too often to substitute decent teaching, rather than enhancing the interaction between student and teacher.
I remember too many times in college where professors would literally read their Powerpoint slides word-for-word instead of using them as an additional supplementary device to enhance what they were trying to teach.
I remember reading articles about schools that would give a computer to every student, and after the instant "how awesome" appeal wore off, I thought of my education experience with technology, and think "if my professors failed to use something as simple as Powerpoint effectively, then how the hell will grade school teachers not use computers for every student the same way some parents use TV as a babysitter?".
I think technology in the classroom is used too often to substitute decent teaching, rather than enhancing the interaction between student and teacher.
I remember too many times in college where professors would literally read their Powerpoint slides word-for-word instead of using them as an additional supplementary device to enhance what they were trying to teach.
I remember reading articles about schools that would give a computer to every student, and after the instant "how awesome" appeal wore off, I thought of my education experience with technology, and think "if my professors failed to use something as simple as Powerpoint effectively, then how the hell will grade school teachers not use computers for every student the same way some parents use TV as a babysitter?".
Now this I agree with. The issue is how to use the tech. You can, and I have made great lessons that incorporate technology in good ways, but you can't just, as you said, use the tech as a substitute for teaching. You have to incorporate it into traditional lessons and use it as a tool. Not every teacher is good at this, but based on my experiences today's university students in the education field are getting a lot of experience and training to that effect.
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: ShyGuy on January 17, 2013, 07:18:46 PM
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: ShyGuy on January 17, 2013, 07:23:27 PM
I see reading comprehension is stellar in this thread. I guess that proves my point. When did I start whining about the good ol' days? My argument is people are as stupid as they've ever been and the technology revolution in education has been, in a large part, a waste of time and money.
I'm willing to bet I've spent more time in schools recently than you have, and that's just plain wrong.
What do I win in this bet? I'm a computer technician for a school district. I'm in multiple schools full time.
Well since I'm a teacher, I guess it's a tie then.
And UncleBob, when I said knowing things wasn't important, I meant knowing facts. Knowing how to do things is important.
No, I win your stupid bet. I don't get Winter break, Spring break, Summer break.
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: ShyGuy on January 17, 2013, 07:35:59 PM
IM READY TO FIGHT!
RAZZLE FRAZZLE
BRING IT ON!
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: ShyGuy on January 17, 2013, 07:37:04 PM
WHAT ARE YALL, CHICKEN?
BWACK BWAAAAAACK BWAAAACK
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: ShyGuy on January 17, 2013, 07:37:28 PM
IM GONNA PUNCH SOMEBODY WITH WORDS AND IDEAS
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 17, 2013, 08:00:48 PM
I see reading comprehension is stellar in this thread. I guess that proves my point. When did I start whining about the good ol' days? My argument is people are as stupid as they've ever been and the technology revolution in education has been, in a large part, a waste of time and money.
I'm willing to bet I've spent more time in schools recently than you have, and that's just plain wrong.
What do I win in this bet? I'm a computer technician for a school district. I'm in multiple schools full time.
Well since I'm a teacher, I guess it's a tie then.
And UncleBob, when I said knowing things wasn't important, I meant knowing facts. Knowing how to do things is important.
No, I win your stupid bet. I don't get Winter break, Spring break, Summer break.
Technically there wasn't a bet. I said I was willing to bet, and you jumped straight to claiming victory. You need to take some lessons from Kenny Rogers.
And really, you guys don't even get summers off? That's gotta suck.
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: UncleBob on January 17, 2013, 08:13:21 PM
I think technology in the classroom is used too often to substitute decent teaching, rather than enhancing the interaction between student and teacher.
I remember too many times in college where professors would literally read their Powerpoint slides word-for-word instead of using them as an additional supplementary device to enhance what they were trying to teach.
I remember reading articles about schools that would give a computer to every student, and after the instant "how awesome" appeal wore off, I thought of my education experience with technology, and think "if my professors failed to use something as simple as Powerpoint effectively, then how the hell will grade school teachers not use computers for every student the same way some parents use TV as a babysitter?".
Now this I agree with. The issue is how to use the tech. You can, and I have made great lessons that incorporate technology in good ways, but you can't just, as you said, use the tech as a substitute for teaching. You have to incorporate it into traditional lessons and use it as a tool. Not every teacher is good at this, but based on my experiences today's university students in the education field are getting a lot of experience and training to that effect.
To be fair, I had teachers in school that would write stuff on the chalkboard or use the old-fashioned over-head projectors (that you used transparency sheets on) and simply read their notes that the wrote earlier that same day. Heck, I had teachers that would simply read out of the textbook (or have us take turns doing it).
It's not a technological thing. It's a poor teaching method used by poor teachers.
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 17, 2013, 08:16:08 PM
Both schools mentioned in that video can be and most likely are successful, because they have a plan, a curriculum that fits the plan, and teachers who are onboard with the goal and the plan.
You can have a great school in any number of configurations as long as you have the right people, and, to a lesser extent, the right materials.
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: EasyCure on January 17, 2013, 08:17:19 PM
I think technology in the classroom is used too often to substitute decent teaching, rather than enhancing the interaction between student and teacher.
I remember too many times in college where professors would literally read their Powerpoint slides word-for-word instead of using them as an additional supplementary device to enhance what they were trying to teach.
I remember reading articles about schools that would give a computer to every student, and after the instant "how awesome" appeal wore off, I thought of my education experience with technology, and think "if my professors failed to use something as simple as Powerpoint effectively, then how the hell will grade school teachers not use computers for every student the same way some parents use TV as a babysitter?".
Now this I agree with. The issue is how to use the tech. You can, and I have made great lessons that incorporate technology in good ways, but you can't just, as you said, use the tech as a substitute for teaching. You have to incorporate it into traditional lessons and use it as a tool. Not every teacher is good at this, but based on my experiences today's university students in the education field are getting a lot of experience and training to that effect.
To be fair, I had teachers in school that would write stuff on the chalkboard or use the old-fashioned over-head projectors (that you used transparency sheets on) and simply read their notes that the wrote earlier that same day. Heck, I had teachers that would simply read out of the textbook (or have us take turns doing it).
It's not a technological thing. It's a poor teaching method used by poor teachers.
The technology is a tool, one that can be used in various ways by teachers and students in the learning process. It's a means, not an end. You can do great things with the tech, or you can use it as a babysitter. When there are problems, they usually aren't caused by the technology.
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: lolmonade on January 17, 2013, 09:20:11 PM
I think technology in the classroom is used too often to substitute decent teaching, rather than enhancing the interaction between student and teacher.
I remember too many times in college where professors would literally read their Powerpoint slides word-for-word instead of using them as an additional supplementary device to enhance what they were trying to teach.
I remember reading articles about schools that would give a computer to every student, and after the instant "how awesome" appeal wore off, I thought of my education experience with technology, and think "if my professors failed to use something as simple as Powerpoint effectively, then how the hell will grade school teachers not use computers for every student the same way some parents use TV as a babysitter?".
Now this I agree with. The issue is how to use the tech. You can, and I have made great lessons that incorporate technology in good ways, but you can't just, as you said, use the tech as a substitute for teaching. You have to incorporate it into traditional lessons and use it as a tool. Not every teacher is good at this, but based on my experiences today's university students in the education field are getting a lot of experience and training to that effect.
To be fair, I had teachers in school that would write stuff on the chalkboard or use the old-fashioned over-head projectors (that you used transparency sheets on) and simply read their notes that the wrote earlier that same day. Heck, I had teachers that would simply read out of the textbook (or have us take turns doing it).
It's not a technological thing. It's a poor teaching method used by poor teachers.
Fair enough. Technology just enables the lazy and unmotivated to be even more lazy and unmotivated.
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: EasyCure on January 17, 2013, 09:58:35 PM
not necessarily; sometimes I feel unmotivated to do something such as play video games and decide my time is better spend reading random articles on wikipedia or such, and usually those articles motivate me to read other articles. It's not long until I have like 10 tabs open and I'm jumping back and forth between topics...
like some sort of retarded Johnny 5... so I'm a strange hybrid of lazy/active un/motivated..
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: Lithium on January 18, 2013, 11:13:32 PM
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: Caterkiller on January 18, 2013, 11:48:57 PM
Come on now! Belts can't be the end all answer. You need a good switch off the tree too!
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 18, 2013, 11:52:49 PM
a large wooden spoon also works in a pinch.
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 19, 2013, 12:03:24 AM
In my line of work those kinds of things are frowned upon, but they do teach us some nifty tricks that are just as effective.
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: pokepal148 on January 19, 2013, 12:11:40 AM
"Jesus is the answer to everything!!"
Sad thing about that joke is where i live the public schools are mediocre at best while the catholic high school is locally known for its challenging curriculum and high standards. Where did we go wrong
Also im using a touch keyboard on a webfourm that is questionably suited to my phone, pardon my grammar
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 19, 2013, 12:20:01 AM
It helps that Catholic schools charge a TON of money to attend (one of the good catholic high schools in my city charge $8,150 a year for high school students to attend), so they can afford to have higher standards.
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 19, 2013, 12:21:39 AM
Sad thing about that joke is where i live the public schools are mediocre at best while the catholic high school is locally known for its challenging curriculum and high standards. Where did we go wrong
Also im using a touch keyboard on a webfourm that is questionably suited to my phone, pardon my grammar
The problem with public schools is that so much of it is left up to local districts, so the quality can vary wildly from place to place. I know around here there are a couple districts that are just awful, and others that are really good, not 5 minutes from each other.
Local school boards have a tremendous amount of power, which most people don't really realize until they see it used, and the vast majority of people never pay enough attention to get to that point.
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: UncleBob on January 19, 2013, 12:25:51 AM
It helps that Catholic schools charge a TON of money to attend (one of the good catholic high schools in my city charge $8,150 a year for high school students to attend), so they can afford to have higher standards.
That sounds pretty in-line with how much schools get per-student from state/federal budgets.
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 19, 2013, 12:34:45 AM
But catholic schools are often funded by the Catholic Church, so they get that funding as well (in addition to donations from alumni and fundraising).
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: ShyGuy on January 19, 2013, 12:58:42 AM
Sad thing about that joke is where i live the public schools are mediocre at best while the catholic high school is locally known for its challenging curriculum and high standards. Where did we go wrong
Also im using a touch keyboard on a webfourm that is questionably suited to my phone, pardon my grammar
The problem with public schools is that so much of it is left up to local districts, so the quality can vary wildly from place to place. I know around here there are a couple districts that are just awful, and others that are really good, not 5 minutes from each other.
Local school boards have a tremendous amount of power, which most people don't really realize until they see it used, and the vast majority of people never pay enough attention to get to that point.
We got Charter schools now!
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 19, 2013, 12:59:33 AM
It helps that Catholic schools charge a TON of money to attend (one of the good catholic high schools in my city charge $8,150 a year for high school students to attend), so they can afford to have higher standards.
That sounds pretty in-line with how much schools get per-student from state/federal budgets.
Considerably less, actually. Most districts around here are spending over $10,000 per student, though some of that is stuff like free lunches that aren't factored into the Catholic school figure.
Sad thing about that joke is where i live the public schools are mediocre at best while the catholic high school is locally known for its challenging curriculum and high standards. Where did we go wrong
Also im using a touch keyboard on a webfourm that is questionably suited to my phone, pardon my grammar
The problem with public schools is that so much of it is left up to local districts, so the quality can vary wildly from place to place. I know around here there are a couple districts that are just awful, and others that are really good, not 5 minutes from each other.
Local school boards have a tremendous amount of power, which most people don't really realize until they see it used, and the vast majority of people never pay enough attention to get to that point.
We got Charter schools now!
Which bring with them a whole different set of problems.
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 19, 2013, 01:12:22 AM
But catholic schools are often funded by the Catholic Church, so they get that funding as well (in addition to donations from alumni and fundraising).
The things you just said are either largely untrue or fairly insignificant, or both.
Actually they are very much true. In fact, a significantly large number of the Catholic schools in the US are owned by the local diocese and get funding from them. They also do various fundraisers to raise more money and often get donations from former students or members of the community. This is in addition to the large tuition fees they charge families. In the end, Catholic schools get far more money than public schools.
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: UncleBob on January 19, 2013, 01:19:38 AM
[Citation needed]
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 19, 2013, 01:30:49 AM
But catholic schools are often funded by the Catholic Church, so they get that funding as well (in addition to donations from alumni and fundraising).
The things you just said are either largely untrue or fairly insignificant, or both.
Actually they are very much true. In fact, a significantly large number of the Catholic schools in the US are owned by the local diocese and get funding from them. They also do various fundraisers to raise more money and often get donations from former students or members of the community. This is in addition to the large tuition fees they charge families. In the end, Catholic schools get far more money than public schools.
Catholic schools are owned by dioceses, but they don't generally receive a significant amount of funding from them. If you were at all familiar with the way the Catholic Church works, you'd know that, by and large, money goes from the local parishes to the diocese, not the other way around. With donations, that varies wildly depending on the school, but in my experiences it's not a significant source of funding for the vast majority of schools. Also, public schools do fundraisers all the time. Enough to drive people nuts.
Public schools get more money than private schools, because they do things the private schools don't do, and don't want to do. Things like English as a second language programs and the many permutations of special education, which largely don't exist outside the realm of public schools, cost a lot of money
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on January 19, 2013, 04:15:16 AM
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Public schools get more money than private schools, because they do things the private schools don't do, and don't want to do. Things like English as a second language programs and the many permutations of special education, which largely don't exist outside the realm of public schools, cost a lot of money
I accidentally read part of this thread and I don't believe this is necessarily true, especially in places with high income disparity
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: EasyCure on January 19, 2013, 10:55:24 AM
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 19, 2013, 12:18:46 PM
Not with the shoe....
although, that's probably more readily available in almost every situation. especially in public.
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 20, 2013, 12:04:39 AM
You think high school is expensive...try my school (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Institute_of_Technology). At least it has the best ROI in the state though...and Richard Hatch from Survivor went here.
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 20, 2013, 11:29:50 AM
I'm picturing a big bronze statue of him on the campus, like the one of Luis Guzman at Greendale on Community.
Title: Re: I ARE STUPID
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 20, 2013, 03:26:16 PM
Tim Wakefield and a bunch of Astronauts and Generals went to my school as well, Hatch is small time.
