Gaming Forums => General Gaming => Topic started by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 02:54:36 AM
Title: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 02:54:36 AM
Well, the long-awaited day is finally here: the first day of E3 and our first batch of company press conferences. We had a thread like this last year for discussing the non-Nintendo Press Conferences, and I thought it worked out rather well with a few hitches. This topic won't be as elaborate as I had originally planned due to an unforeseen family errand that has had me on the road for 12-15 hours a day for nearly a week now, and I won't be home until all these conferences are over. If moderators wish to break this thread up into smaller threads as desired, feel free. I promised I would put these threads up closer to E3, so I'm just making sure they're up while I still have internet access in this hotel.
As I likely won't be here to monitor either the press conferences or these threads (internet access in the car is extremely unreliable), I leave it to you all to post new streaming links and police the thread. Please be civil, as I do not want a repeat of what we had last year with the Nintendo Press Conference thread.
June 6th, 2011 Schedule (based on Gametrailers.com's listings):
- 9:30 AM PST/12:30 PM EST - Microsoft Press Conference (Note: will be broadcast on Spike TV as well as streamed on Gametrailers.com and IGN.com)
- 12:30 PM PST/3:30 PM EST - Electronic Arts Press Conference (Note: will be broadcast on Spike TV and will be streamed on Gametrailers.com)
- 2:30 PM PST/5:30 PM EST - Ubisoft Press Conference (Note: will be streamed on Gametrailers.com)
- 5:00 PM PST/8:00 PM EST - Sony Press Conference (Note: will be streamed on Gametrailers.com, as well as IGN.com and the Playstation Blog)
Enjoy! :D
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: ShyGuy on June 06, 2011, 03:59:34 AM
E3 Hype!
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 06, 2011, 04:01:36 AM
Microsoft is the one that interests me most out of them and Sony, they have been super quiet lately. So I expect them to have a few big surprises. Sony's conference is interesting as well, but mainly to see how they save face a bit from the PSN fiasco. I think they need something big.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Killer_Man_Jaro on June 06, 2011, 04:18:47 AM
Busy day, very busy day. I'll try joining in the discussion between work (although on Greenwich Mean Time, these conferences will all be on through the evening and into the night). Needless to say, it's an exciting time to be playing games, no matter who you're following.
Title: MS Conference Spoilers
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 11:04:14 AM
and Kotaku supposedly leaked everything MS was gonna show yesterday. Let me see if I can find it.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: nickmitch on June 06, 2011, 11:28:08 AM
I wonder if MS will be able to recover from this? Halo 4 would've been a big reveal if it hadn't been spoiled. Hopefully they've got other surprises up their sleeves.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 11:31:45 AM
Here is the GT live stream http://www.gametrailers.com/netstorage/e3/e3-live.html (http://www.gametrailers.com/netstorage/e3/e3-live.html)
SpikeTV isn't airing anything (according to their own schedule) till Noon pst even though the website says 9:30am and the event starts at 9am
IGN's Youtube Live stream http://www.youtube.com/e3 (http://www.youtube.com/e3)
MS Live Stream http://www.xbox.com/en-US/Community/E3 (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/Community/E3)
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 11:52:51 AM
A Halo (1) remake piques my interest if only for amount of time I spent messing around in the first several levels of Halo in co-op.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: SixthAngel on June 06, 2011, 11:54:59 AM
I wonder if MS will be able to recover from this? Halo 4 would've been a big reveal if it hadn't been spoiled. Hopefully they've got other surprises up their sleeves.
Is Halo 4 even much of a surprise? It will be the 4th Halo game on the 360. (5th if you count the RTS) It would be surprising if the next Halo game wasn't at e3.
Has anybody seen the videos of Star Wars kinect? It looked pretty terrible.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 11:56:21 AM
bonus MS E3 2011 Rumor List (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=32855.msg673902#msg673902)[/size][/font]
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 12:05:16 PM
Ah, Spike and Gametrailers are rolling their ball. (With all their hosts dressing nice for the occasion.)
IT BEGINS
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 12:08:22 PM
I've got both on.
It's funny because on Spike TV they have the guest commentary on the whole time w/ no game sound on GameTrailers.com they cut the talking and have only game sound when a trailer is playing.
Ahhh GT.com takes commercial breaks too...
IGN's youtube stream is just game trailers till the conference.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Ceric on June 06, 2011, 12:09:52 PM
I'm at work so I can't stream it, but I'm going to think of something for tomorrow. Just tell me if anything interesting comes out.
Title: More MS Conference Spoilers!?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 12:13:59 PM
This is what Kotaku posted yesterday about what MS was showing for E3
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This week, the E3 gaming expo gets underway in Los Angeles. Gaming's heavyweights are showing off new hardware and new games. According to an insider, here's the list of titles Microsoft will be showing:
Tomb Raider Forza 4 Star Wars Kinect Gears of War 3 A Halo related title Codename Kingdoms Sesame Street: Once Upon a Monster The Elder Scrolls V:Skyrim Steel Battalion: Heavy Armor Alan Wake: Night Springs (Kinect compatible) XCOM Hitman: Absolution Modern Warfare 3 Spelunky HD Ghost Recon rail shooter for Kinect Dance Central 2 Kinect FunLabs XCommerce Kinect Sports: Season 2 Toy Soldiers: Cold War Fable: The Journey Raving Rabbids for Kinect An Unspecified Double Fine game Hybrid (XBLA shooter) Roller Coaster Kinect Rise of Nightmares for Kinect.
Most of these games are not new reveals. Codename Kingdoms, the sword and sandal title from Crytek, was debuted at last year's E3, while Kinect Star Wars was shown off earlier today.
Other "new" games, such as Fable: The Journey, appear to have already been revealed by Microsoft domain name registrations. Kotaku first heard about Kinect Sports 2 this past March.
"Something" Halo related doesn't necessarily have to be a game; it could be a movie or a platform—who knows. Moreover, this appears to be the secret Microsoft is guarding closest. Other game titles, like Fable: the Journey, seem to be leaking out, but this title is under lock and key.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 12:24:26 PM
Michael Pachter says: "The only people that care about Kinect are the people playing Dance Central. MS needs to make Kinect resonate with the core... resonate with the Xbots out there."
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Ceric on June 06, 2011, 12:26:30 PM
Michael Pachter says: "The only people that care about Kinect are the people playing Dance Central. MS needs to make Kinect resonate with the core... resonate with the Xbots out there."
So they want to get in touch with Zeke...
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 12:30:11 PM
Tame words from Pachter after listening to his more unfiltered appearances on the Giant Bombcast and Gametrailer's Invisible Walls.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 12:32:21 PM
IT's started and the yotube stream is ahead of the TV or GT.com and in HD
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: ShyGuy on June 06, 2011, 12:34:23 PM
I don't see any surprises there. Curious about Kinect Star Wars and Halo 4.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 12:34:47 PM
"Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to the 2011 Xbo...." ::cuts off:: goes back to game audio.
LOL
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: ShyGuy on June 06, 2011, 12:36:55 PM
Is that MW3 or Battlefield 3? They all look the same.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Ceric on June 06, 2011, 12:37:47 PM
MW3
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 12:41:45 PM
So many audio issues on the youtube feed. double delayed echoed pre-recorded sound bytes. lol
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 12:42:13 PM
Battlefield 3 looks (slightly) prettier.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 12:45:03 PM
SO many audio mis-queues
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 06, 2011, 12:46:28 PM
So is this Tomb Raider: Resident Evil edition?
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: ShyGuy on June 06, 2011, 12:47:40 PM
Goth Lara Croft?
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 12:47:58 PM
pretty much. but why does she sound like such a helpless woman instead of a hardened badass?
she actually sounds like she's getting gang banged at the moment.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: SixthAngel on June 06, 2011, 12:49:12 PM
Let's be honest, most fps games have all been using the same play book for a while now. When you put them in the same setting there really is almost no difference.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 12:49:43 PM
is there a live chat gong on?
Holy **** at the sound echo!! WTF!!
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: ShyGuy on June 06, 2011, 12:51:03 PM
I like Peter Moore.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 12:51:09 PM
Tomb Raider (2011) looks very nice. Not sure about the abundance of QTEs in the demo. Also, they should see in to toning down Lara's voice in the final release. She was quite chatty and moan-y.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 12:52:35 PM
The sound is all fucked up on the youtube feed.
double echo. It's like they are singing a round of row row row your boat
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 06, 2011, 12:52:58 PM
Tomb Raider (2011) looks very nice. Not sure about the abundance of QTEs in the demo. Also, they should see in to toning down Lara's voice in the final release. She was quite chatty and moan-y.
Looks ok, it just seems like another RE4/Uncharted knockoff. But it is good to see it rebooted, and it may be a fun game.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 06, 2011, 12:53:25 PM
How does that work? What stream are you guys watching? I can't do youtube.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 06, 2011, 12:58:48 PM
Hardcore overload. Seriously Tomb Raider has been the best thing so far, and that isn't saying much. Not to say Mass Effect 3 won't be good, I love that series, but we know about that.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 12:59:11 PM
Gun customization with Kinect
Target practice with Kinect too.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Ceric on June 06, 2011, 01:00:06 PM
I don't see an advantage watching through xbox besides voice control though.
I have over the air so, if its cheaper then DirectTV or Cable then it be an option. I can see this being a good thing for MS. I also think that THIS is how MS will be able to compete with Cafe is in the Value-Adds. Casuals would like an all in one box. Though something like Live TV would be better on the PS3 simply because it has Blu-Ray as well.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 01:12:54 PM
Still haven't seen anything exciting yet though...
Ice-T is in the house!
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: SixthAngel on June 06, 2011, 01:14:04 PM
Ice T? What?
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 01:14:57 PM
He's playing Gears of War 3 with Cliffy B
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Ceric on June 06, 2011, 01:15:09 PM
The kinect looks pretty obviously prerecorded to avoid any hiccups on stage.
Like the starwars demo last year?
It does look like it's pre-recorded because it's not matching up with movements.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: ShyGuy on June 06, 2011, 01:32:10 PM
Miyamoto firing a bow
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 01:32:29 PM
Forza one was released on the Xbox (1). There are three Forza games on 360 now.
As for Disneyland Kinect, it makes me miss Skittles.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: SixthAngel on June 06, 2011, 01:32:56 PM
No wonder Minecraft updating slowed down to almost nothing. All the time is being spent porting it to xbox and mobile even though its not even finished.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 01:33:16 PM
Star Wars
lets' watch the fail if they do a live demo
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Caterkiller on June 06, 2011, 01:33:36 PM
That disney thing is going to be a hit. To be honest that got me excited.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: ShyGuy on June 06, 2011, 01:34:51 PM
Im going to go buy some skittles right now
edit: cherry is the best flavor
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Ceric on June 06, 2011, 01:35:25 PM
Forza one was released on the Xbox (1). There are three Forza games on 360 now.
As for Disneyland Kinect, it makes me miss Skittles (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpngPL1-Fq4).
Linked to what that made me think of for lols.
I really do need to try Minecraft but it sounds boring. I'm not a Sandbox person.
Anyone else think its funny a lot of the Kinect specific stuff seems to be on Rails? Wii says Hi!
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 01:35:55 PM
They're doing a live demo and it matched up pretty well so far...
This game is begging for a nunchuck and wiimote.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 01:37:04 PM
This Kinect Star Wars... Why does this demo looks so bad :(
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: nickmitch on June 06, 2011, 01:37:30 PM
Because it's on rails.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 01:37:52 PM
Tim Schafer on stage and Sesame Street
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 01:38:32 PM
Sesame Street: One Upon A Monster
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: SixthAngel on June 06, 2011, 01:38:57 PM
Disney looks cool.
Star Wars looks like a crappier Resort swordfighting right now.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Ceric on June 06, 2011, 01:39:14 PM
A Sesame Street on Kinect could be a killer app. I know I buy something like that for my Son. Honestly from that pre-released list of games that one interested me sort of the most.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 01:39:50 PM
hahaha it's pre-recorded.
the hand icons gave it away the most. they didn't even have their hands up and the icons were moving around the screen
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Ceric on June 06, 2011, 01:40:45 PM
Quote
AndrewDyce: I would be terrified if I were Nintendo right now. How did a Sesame Street not get this kind of backing before?
I can't watch the Stream but, what are they doing in that Demo?
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Caterkiller on June 06, 2011, 01:41:21 PM
This disney and sesame street thing is going to go over well with kids. I can just imagine the audience now though. Still there are other people to please other than them. The non gaming press will eat it up.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 01:42:22 PM
Think of Toy Story 3 game for the Wii that just. The rail shooter story game. Nothing too interesting. and it was pre-recorded.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Ceric on June 06, 2011, 01:42:39 PM
This disney and sesame street thing is going to go over well with kids. I can just imagine the audience now though. Still there are other people to please other than them. The non gaming press will eat it up.
Yeah but, even on Nintendo Systems the select of little kid friendly games is very limited. I can't see that being an even bigger problem on the 360.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 06, 2011, 01:42:45 PM
This disney and sesame street thing is going to go over well with kids. I can just imagine the audience now though. Still there are other people to please other than them. The non gaming press will eat it up.
Sesame Street/Disneland > Gears of War/Tom Clancy/MW3/Generic shooter.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 01:43:11 PM
Kinect Fun Labs
Let's see what this is all about.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: SixthAngel on June 06, 2011, 01:43:36 PM
Tim Schafer did this? I think kids will go crazy for it but it hardly seems like his pedigree has added to it.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 01:44:21 PM
Microsoft is pushing Kinect as hard as last year. Just so given how much it has sold. I hope there are details coming soon on Kinect (officially) for Windows.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 01:44:52 PM
Well, they just put MiiMaker to shame
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: ShyGuy on June 06, 2011, 01:45:01 PM
Microsoft is going to try and eat Nintendo's lunch and fail because they don't have that Miyamoto magic.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 01:45:21 PM
Kinect Funlabs. It captured her look! :O
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 01:46:08 PM
Wow. 3D drawing with Kinect and finger tracking.
I'm impressed. Looks cool.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 06, 2011, 01:46:22 PM
Microsoft is going to try and eat Nintendo's lunch and fail because they don't have that Miyamoto magic.
Well Nintendo has already ate their lunch, right now MS is asking for lunch money so they can buy a snack.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: SixthAngel on June 06, 2011, 01:47:30 PM
I don't like how they have these actors "playing."
It jumps from prerecorded to what seems like people playing (star wars) and back again. I can't trust anything they show me. I would much prefer they stick with one.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 01:47:44 PM
They just made digital stuffed animals from real stuffed animals....
Kinect is really coming into it's own....
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Caterkiller on June 06, 2011, 01:48:08 PM
They really are puching Kinect hard. I wonder how well this is going to go over for them. The stuff in the beggining was cool. But I doubt many people my age other than me will be happy about sesame street and disney, and I dont even have kids.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Ceric on June 06, 2011, 01:48:12 PM
Is it bad that I think this last little bit has been the strongest part of the presentation by sounds of it?
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 01:48:18 PM
Kinect Funlabs part 2. It captured the plushie! It's the Project Natal video finally here.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 06, 2011, 01:48:28 PM
Now that is pretty cool. I'm so scanning in my bulbord.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 01:48:48 PM
Kinect SPorts Season 2
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 06, 2011, 01:49:33 PM
They really are puching Kinect hard. I wonder how well this is going to go over for them. The stuff in the beggining was cool. But I doubt many people my age other than me will be happy about sesame street and disney, and I dont even have kids.
Not excited for Sesame Street, but as a massive Disneyland fangirl I am so buying that.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Caterkiller on June 06, 2011, 01:49:45 PM
uh oh... this is were gamers get mad...
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Ceric on June 06, 2011, 01:50:28 PM
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: SixthAngel on June 06, 2011, 01:51:22 PM
Didn't they talk about scanning last year but then never actually do anything? The fact that its download only doesn't give me much hope.
It's apparently out now so I'll know soon enough anyway.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 01:51:49 PM
This is really a lot of Kinect. Thankfully, it looks like the hardware is maturing nicely.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Caterkiller on June 06, 2011, 01:51:57 PM
Lol no, because nowthey are showing Kinect Sports. I think everyone who pays attention to game news are sick of these.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 01:52:13 PM
Kinect has so much potential for non-gaming apps. Gaming related sure, but not the motion tracking gaming part.
You need something to hold onto and buttons and stuff to push. A joystick would solve a few problems too. a nunchuck and wiimote+ mixed with Kinect would be the definitive device.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 06, 2011, 01:52:48 PM
Kinect Sports 2 looks great, just like the first one.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 01:53:55 PM
Kinect Sports Football looks like far too much motion to play.
You have to run in place.....
Multiplayer Dance Central 2 up now.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Caterkiller on June 06, 2011, 01:54:01 PM
Listen to the quiver in the dance guys voice. He can feel the gamer rage.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 01:55:30 PM
Dance Central 2! Rock on! Campaign mode, song imports, and Multi Dance!
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: ShyGuy on June 06, 2011, 01:55:47 PM
I hope its as good as the second Star Wars trilogy.
lol
The Funniest part is that can be interpreted so many ways.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 01:59:29 PM
I don't think we will be seeing a new Xbox console till 2013 at the earliest even if the rumors suggest otherswise
and it's over.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 06, 2011, 02:00:55 PM
Well that was, um, uneventful. The news of the day is that poor Bungie is still stuck with Halo.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Ceric on June 06, 2011, 02:01:16 PM
That was stronger then I thought it would be. Especially the end items with Sesame Street Etc. wasn't totally expecting that.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: ShyGuy on June 06, 2011, 02:01:41 PM
Bungie is still making both Halo games? Microsoft slaves for sure.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Caterkiller on June 06, 2011, 02:02:42 PM
Well I enjoyed the MW3 footage as well as GOW3, hope to see MW on Cafe looking as good. Man I just know those "core gamers" (hate that term) have mixed feelings right now. There is no way Nintendo can't top that showing.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 02:02:59 PM
Well I enjoyed the MW3 footage as well as GOW3, hope to see MW on Cafe looking as good. Man I just know those "core gamers" (hate that term) have mixed feelings right now. There is no way Nintendo can't top that showing.
Why? They get lots of shooting and stuff blowing up types of games.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 06, 2011, 02:04:24 PM
Well I enjoyed the MW3 footage as well as GOW3, hope to see MW on Cafe looking as good. Man I just know those "core gamers" (hate that term) have mixed feelings right now. There is no way Nintendo can't top that showing.
Why? They get lots of shooting and stuff blowing up types of games.
Because those gamers want it all! They want everything to interest them and only them. I can see the value in Sesame St and Disney, as a matter of fact I kind of want those games. But people like my ideot single minded friends, they will write it all off as worthless.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: ShyGuy on June 06, 2011, 02:11:29 PM
Onwards to EA and Ubisoft!
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 02:12:42 PM
Eager to see Battlefield 3's multiplayer with all its tanks, planes, and shooting people. Also, I hope there some cool surprises from EA Partners.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 06, 2011, 02:13:02 PM
I am really dissapointed in MS's showing though, it was really, well, average. They needed something extra and didn't bring it. Which sucks because I do like my 360. Of course I'm looking forward to Mass Effect 3, but that is about it out of its core games. I was once a huge fan of CoD back when it first came out for PC, but I got burnt out on the series. Gears of War 3, ehhe pretty much looks like the previous two, and I could never get into those. The Kinect games look fun, like the Disneyland and Kinect Sports 2, but still nothing surprising or innovative. The best news, sadly, is how Kinect is evolving, beyond that, where the heck are the games that actually are more traditional in nature? And Halo 4, um, cool I guess, if you are a fan of the series, but Bungie is no longer working on it.
Microsoft seemed to have played the show way too safe, and it likely means Nintendo (and maybe even Sony) will overshadow them
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Ceric on June 06, 2011, 02:17:16 PM
I am really dissapointed in MS's showing though, it was really, well, average. They needed something extra and didn't bring it. Which sucks because I do like my 360. Of course I'm looking forward to Mass Effect 3, but that is about it out of its core games. I was once a huge fan of CoD back when it first came out for PC, but I got burnt out on the series. Gears of War 3, ehhe pretty much looks like the previous two, and I could never get into those. The Kinect games look fun, like the Disneyland and Kinect Sports 2, but still nothing surprising or innovative. The best news, sadly, is how Kinect is evolving, beyond that, where the heck are the games that actually are more traditional in nature? And Halo 4, um, cool I guess, if you are a fan of the series, but Bungie is no longer working on it.
Microsoft seemed to have played the show way too safe, and it likely means Nintendo (and maybe even Sony) will overshadow them
I have to disagree. Microsoft played the show as strong as it could. Stronger then I actually expected to tell you the truth. The problem is that Sony has the NGP and Nintendo has the 3DS still and Cafe. Microsoft is making a clear move to make Windows Phone 7 their portable gaming machine but, its not ready for the true push yet. Next update probably but not now. They literally threw everything they had but, with the hype on Nintendo they just didn't have the ammunition.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: silverwings01 on June 06, 2011, 02:19:08 PM
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Ian Sane on June 06, 2011, 02:24:19 PM
So it was a bunch of casual/kid focused motion control junk and the same old sequels? What is this a Nintendo conference? HA!
Wasn't Halo Reach essentially Halo 4? The series just seems played out now. It's just the law of diminishing returns. But it will actually be a new trilogy! Oh joy. Three more games in a series that is already milked too hard. Halo needs a break. MS is coming across very much like Activision where they have this small handful of IP and they just keep popping it out again and again and we care less and less each time. Halo! Gears of War! Fable... again for some reason even though no one seems to like those games. It really seems like MS has realized they don't have much of their own IP and they're kind of panicking.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 02:24:51 PM
I'm sure you can find one on Giant Bomb, Gamespot, IGN, or any of the big video game portals.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Caterkiller on June 06, 2011, 02:28:08 PM
I found the voice stuff to be pretty cool, but can someone tell me, could the headset that you all use for LIVE not be used in such a way?
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: KDR_11k on June 06, 2011, 02:33:03 PM
Since they moved all the processing from the Kinect into the XBox anyway, yeah, there's no reason for that 130€ camera to be involved in the voice stuff.
Also I laugh at all the rail shooters for Kinect.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Killer_Man_Jaro on June 06, 2011, 02:35:38 PM
Overall, an okay-ish show. I must say, I really like the Microsoft style of presentation - very briskly paced, demo after demo, not too long on any one thing. I'm sort of surprised they didn't show more multiplatform stuff like Batman Arkham City or Bioshock Infinite, though.
As expected, Kinect was all encompassing, and I'm still not convinced. It's pretty obvious that nobody can be that ambitious when there's no buttons to press. The demos for Mass Effect 3 and Ghost Recon: Future Soldier, while kinda cool, illustrate this because the Kinect is serving a superfluous role. Are people really going to be rushing out to buy a Kinect so that they can talk to their squad or assemble a gun... and that's it? Same with the Kinect Fun Labs; that stuff was high concept and looked very impressive, but unless they show some interesting things to do with that gameplay wise, its appeal is somewhat limited. Finally, I know people said that the Wii isn't for the self-concious, but this is not for the self-concious. I can't imagine speaking to an Xbox and not feeling completely ridiculous.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: nickmitch on June 06, 2011, 02:51:19 PM
Overall, an okay-ish show. I must say, I really like the Microsoft style of presentation - very briskly paced, demo after demo, not too long on any one thing. I'm sort of surprised they didn't show more multiplatform stuff like Batman Arkham City or Bioshock Infinite, though. ...
They probably didn't want to overlap Sony. The only real reason to show a 3rd party title at your event is if its exclusive, has exclusive content or something noticeable, you need Brownie points with that developer, or you've got time that needs killed.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 02:51:49 PM
Hooray, I finally have internet connectivity on the road! I missed the Microsoft Press Conference, but from the sounds of things, it doesn't seem like I missed much. I don't give a damn about Halo or Fable, but I'll have to look into watching video footage of that Kinect Disneyland game. As a huge Disney fan, that's right up my alley, though I have no intention currently of buying a Kinect. I rarely use my 360 as it is. As for Kinect support for Mass Effect 3, from a pure artistic standpoint (the financial benefits to EA are obvious) I can only ask "WHY?!" I don't see any real benefit to having Kinect support for that game, but whatever.
Looking forward to the EA Press Conference.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 02:54:14 PM
I've posted Kinect Disneyland video yesterday.... same with the Kinect Starwars. I quoted them both into this thread too.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 03:01:27 PM
I thought it was a replay of the MS conference. I wasn't even paying attention
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 03:39:50 PM
Wow, EA couldn't have picked a more generic gameplay sequence to show off Mass Effect 3. It looks like any other 3rd person shooter without the dialogue and RPG elements we know are in the game. Still really looking forward to it, though.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 03:44:11 PM
Need for Speed: The Run. Autolog in the story? ON foot sections? QTEs everywhere? Black Box, why?!
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Louieturkey on June 06, 2011, 03:44:45 PM
My thoughts exactly. NFS is a racing sim, not anything for on foot play.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 03:45:23 PM
damn this EA game looks intense.... what is it? I missed the intro.
Looks like EA decided to bring back that one game where you ran on roof tops but combine it with NFS?
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 03:49:42 PM
damn this EA game looks intense.... what is it? I missed the intro.
Looks like EA decided to bring back that one game where you ran on roof tops but combine it with NFS?
I will be sad if I have to settle for QTE: The Run if there is no Mirror's Edge 2. To give Need for Speed: The Run some credit, it looks and sounds great.
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Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 03:52:13 PM
Unfortunately, my streaming feed cut out during the Need for Speed demo, so I only saw bits of it. That's probably the best I'm going to get right now, considering Gametrailers' huge traffic and my trying to stream this in the car. The game looked ok, but it takes something special to get me interested in a racing game.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 03:52:46 PM
4 videos in and EA is already outdoing MS's Conference.
SSX video was pretty intense too. January 2012
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 03:54:16 PM
4 videos in and EA is already outdoing MS's Conference.
SSX video was pretty intense too.
To be fair, the bar's set pretty low right now. EA beat them pretty easily last year, too, for the same reason.
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Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 03:56:48 PM
SSX (2012). Kaori confirmed for coming back! Hurrah!
All this Origin stuff saddens me since I hoped to snag Battlefield 3 on Steam. Oh well, it's nothing more than a trivial annoyance to use Electronic Arts Download Manager/Origin.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Louieturkey on June 06, 2011, 03:57:14 PM
Heh, now you can flop like a real soccer player!
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 03:58:20 PM
Oh look, a presentation of the new FIFA game. Yawn. I'm sure its partner in "who-gives-a-****", the next Madden, will be along soon enough as well.
EDIT: And oh look...another EA "Club" no one will ever use, just like the EA Gun Club. Took long enough for him to cover it...
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Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 04:03:40 PM
Football club looks neat for those excited about FIFA 12. I know I really enjoyed Autolog in Need for Speed Hot Pursuit.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 04:04:01 PM
Madden was next.
Actual Football players present
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 04:05:14 PM
This Inception/ Mind Heist for Madden 12 is a very slick presentation. EA sure know how to make a slick promotion.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Louieturkey on June 06, 2011, 04:07:54 PM
At EA, we will possibly be your only form of football coming this fall.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 04:09:25 PM
The Sims Social for Facebook. Farmville diss because EA couldn't by them.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Louieturkey on June 06, 2011, 04:09:41 PM
Oh boy, more Sims. Now integrated with Facebook!
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 04:09:55 PM
Enough showing off real football athletes, EA! You may have forgotten, but this is a games conference, and this is one game no one cares about seeing at an E3 press conference.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: bustin98 on June 06, 2011, 04:14:09 PM
Overstrike > Bulletstorm??
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Ceric on June 06, 2011, 04:14:23 PM
Enough showing off real football athletes, EA! You may have forgotten, but this is a games conference, and this is one game no one cares about seeing.
Fixed. Madden is like Christmas. It comes every year and no one needs any help knowing it.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 04:15:11 PM
It's hard to tell with the way this stream keeps jumping around, but Reakoning looks like a slightly more interesting Fable.
So, Insomniac's new game is "Overstrike".
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 04:16:06 PM
What is this EA game with the squad of peoples?
OMG is that the Terminator?
Overstrike looks pretty cool.
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Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 04:16:50 PM
Two EA Partners games? First is Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning. That must mean the second is the Insomniac game. What could it be?
It's... Overstrike. 4-player shooter with wacky weapons, humor. Looks like Rachet and Clank except with people instead of talking animals.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 04:18:08 PM
They should have done the Battlefield 3 trailer to the Inception music.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 04:23:47 PM
Anyone actually able to get the Gametrailers stream to work for more than a few seconds consistently? Mine buffers like mad or crashes. Can't tell if it's my signal or not, but at least it's working now for Battlefield 3.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 04:24:46 PM
Mine was working fine, but the youtube one is in HD so I watched that one instead.
You know Google isn't gonna have any server issues... and no commercial breaks either.
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Post by: bustin98 on June 06, 2011, 04:25:49 PM
I'm watching on Kotaku, not much lag.
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Post by: Killer_Man_Jaro on June 06, 2011, 04:27:39 PM
Anyone actually able to get the Gametrailers stream to work for more than a few seconds consistently? Mine buffers like mad or crashes. Can't tell if it's my signal or not, but at least it's working now for Battlefield 3.
Try http://live-event.ea.com/e3/press (http://live-event.ea.com/e3/press) -- it hasn't buffered on me once.
This conference has been (sorry for this phrase) a mixed bag. Considering how long they talk about the new features of their games, I'm surprised at just how many trailers there have been with no gameplay footage.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 04:29:50 PM
This current trailer reminded me of why I never joined the military....
Battlefield 3 October 25th
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 04:31:35 PM
Battlefield 3. Open beta in September and a release date of October 25. Looking fantastic. The tank demo was really long but I really enjoyed it.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: ShyGuy on June 06, 2011, 04:34:35 PM
So how many interesting new IPs do we have so far from all the conferences? 2 or 3?
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 04:42:27 PM
This conference has been (sorry for this phrase) a mixed bag. Considering how long they talk about the new features of their games, I'm surprised at just how many trailers there have been with no gameplay footage.
Yeah, this EA Conference started just "ok" in my books, and once it went into the sports and social games it really went downhill. I didn't see much of the Battlefield 3 section, but what I did see (all this footage of an on-rails segment in a tank) didn't really impress me. It could be cool, it could not be. "Meh" overall to the entire conference.
I would say "here's hoping Ubisoft's Press Conference is better", but it probably won't be because it's Ubisoft.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Mop it up on June 06, 2011, 04:54:28 PM
Can someone please point me to a quick recap/summary of the conferences which have commenced so far?
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 04:56:39 PM
Can someone please point me to a quick recap/summary of the conferences which have commenced so far?
And here's one for Electronic Arts. http://www.giantbomb.com/news/e3-2011-live-blog-electronic-arts/3328/ (http://www.giantbomb.com/news/e3-2011-live-blog-electronic-arts/3328/)
The basic gist is Mass Effect 3, Need for Speed: The Run, another CGI trailer for Star Wars: The Old Republic, SSX (2012), Football Club for FIFA 12, Madden 12, Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning, Overstrike (Insomniac's new game), and the tanks of Battlefield 3.
EDIT: Oh, I forgot about The Sims Social for Facebook.
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 06, 2011, 05:06:41 PM
Can someone please point me to a quick recap/summary of the conferences which have commenced so far?
Not much from Microsoft, On the hardcore side Halo and sequels. On the casual lots of Kinect with Sesame Street and Disneyland. EA did not show too much exciting and new either.
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Post by: Mop it up on June 06, 2011, 05:11:09 PM
Here's one for Microsoft's: link (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/110673-Microsoft-E3-2011-Press-Conference).
Thanks mate.
Looks like Modern Warfare 3 was shown. Yawn. They're making a new Tomb Raider game? I thought we've seen the last of that franchise but I guess they're still trying to make it popular again. Kinect with sports games could be interesting, if it works well. More sequels that are no surprise, other fluffy features for the XBox... I guess there were no surprises at this one.
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Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 05:14:26 PM
Actually, that new Tomb Raider reboot looks pretty promising so far. We'll see how the game shapes out, but I like where the game is coming from making the franchise more grounded and interesting from a storytelling/character standpoint. The game could be another Other M (they've been talking up making Croft more "vulnerable" and "naive"), but so far they seem to have the right idea.
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Post by: Mop it up on June 06, 2011, 05:23:57 PM
That's always a dangerous route to take. I don't expect them to get it right unless they've got at least one woman on the team, which seems doubtful.
On second look, there sure are a lot of Kinect games in the works. I had wondered if they planned to do more with it since I haven't heard anything about it after the holidays, but it looks like they're really gearing up support for it. I guess it may sort of be their "next-generation," at least for a while.
Actually, that new Tomb Raider reboot looks pretty promising so far. We'll see how the game shapes out, but I like where the game is coming from making the franchise more grounded and interesting from a storytelling/character standpoint. The game could be another Other M (they've been talking up making Croft more "vulnerable" and "naive"), but so far they seem to have the right idea.
She sounded like a woman in distress half the time and an actress in Rocko's Gang Bang 6 for the other half. They went a little far on the "vulnerable & naive" if you ask me... Or has she always sounded that way?
If you listened to it without watching the screen, I'm sure it would sound like a rape scene in a bad porno.
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 06, 2011, 05:27:34 PM
What is Ubisoft dishing out? Red Steel 3? Let us hope.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 05:28:30 PM
Actually, that new Tomb Raider reboot looks pretty promising so far. We'll see how the game shapes out, but I like where the game is coming from making the franchise more grounded and interesting from a storytelling/character standpoint. The game could be another Other M (they've been talking up making Croft more "vulnerable" and "naive"), but so far they seem to have the right idea.
She sounded like a woman in distress half the time and an actress in Rocko's Gang Bang 6 for the other half. They went a little far on the "vulnerable & naive" if you ask me... Or has she always sounded that way?
Yeah, I still have to see the E3 Trailer. The connection's so random right now that I'm setting that aside till later when I'm at the hotel with a stable connection, probably after the Sony conference.
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 06, 2011, 05:29:09 PM
I guess it's always a ton of sequels at this stage of the console generation.
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Post by: bustin98 on June 06, 2011, 05:29:15 PM
Too bad Nintendo wasn't first so EA and Ubi could have talked about the games they have for them.
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Post by: Ceric on June 06, 2011, 05:29:48 PM
I don't like my heroins to be "Vulnerable and Naive." That doesn't reflect the reality I live with at all. Which makes it really odd to me to see them taking on the world and be that way. None of the women in my life are like that. I think I be more comfortable with a Male like that. Now Side-characters have fun their isn't much you could do with them that I wouldn't be mostly ok with.
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Post by: Ceric on June 06, 2011, 05:30:13 PM
So Michele Ancel is on the stage? BG&E 2 Let us hope.
OR MAYBE RAYMAN 2 FOR YOUR CAR STEREO
I'm sure their is a Stereo somewhere that already has it. James would probably agree.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 05:36:09 PM
haha tetris
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Post by: Stogi on June 06, 2011, 05:37:22 PM
NFS: The Run looks awesome. I really missed being chased by the cops after the race. This seems to run (no pun intended) with that idea.
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 06, 2011, 05:37:27 PM
I'm following the live blog on Kotaku. Oh look, there is Totillo slumming it.
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Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 05:38:04 PM
Rayman Origins is looking damn fine.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 05:38:16 PM
whoever is playing as rayman is has died like 3 times
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Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 05:39:44 PM
Rayman Origins looks pretty cool, though it still looks like a downloadable title (the artwork and animation doesn't look as good as you would expect from a retail title, at least in this stream).
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Post by: Louieturkey on June 06, 2011, 05:40:47 PM
whoever is playing as rayman is has died like 3 times
It's Michel.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 05:42:40 PM
"Charlie Sheen... pre-Tiger Blood"
"Hold my Joy Wand!!
"I'm not afraid of a few dick jokes" -ubisoft
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 05:43:46 PM
Mr. Caffeine brings lame jokes.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 05:46:35 PM
This focus on Ubisoft's 25-year anniversary by making retro jokes is getting old fast. That last presenter brought the energy, but his lines were just lame and felt almost as old as the company. Couldn't care less about Driver, either.
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 06, 2011, 05:48:12 PM
Driver has been driven into the ground.
get it?
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 05:48:36 PM
"I'm a cheap date.... I'll take any applause I can get" - ubisoft
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 06, 2011, 05:49:29 PM
I hope this is better than far cry 2
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Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 05:50:24 PM
Wow, is this a sighting of that ultra-rare E3 specimen: the new IP, from Ubisoft of all companies?
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Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 05:50:54 PM
Is this Far Cry 3?
EDIT: Yes it is. Looks nice. More jungle island. Blackhawks going down. Dead bodies. Talk about the definition of insanity.
Title: Sony Leak
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 05:51:30 PM
Sony conference leak http://blogs.forbes.com/johngaudiosi/2011/06/06/sony-serves-up-solid-slate-of-original-games-at-e3-2011/ (http://blogs.forbes.com/johngaudiosi/2011/06/06/sony-serves-up-solid-slate-of-original-games-at-e3-2011/)
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I was able to get hands-on time with most of Sony’s big games before E3 2011. The following are some thoughts on these games as well as videos that show you more of what’s in store for each title. Sony’s press conference will announce some additional titles, including a new God of War 3D adventure, but these five titles should help drive sales of PS3 hardware this year and also keep PS3 gamers happy now that the hacking incident is over.
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 06, 2011, 05:52:47 PM
Hmm, Ubisoft may have the best conference so far.
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Post by: Stogi on June 06, 2011, 05:56:13 PM
Amazing. Far Cry 3 looks sooooo dope.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 05:56:20 PM
"Did I ever tell you the definition of Insanity"
"Did I ever tell you the definition of Insanity"
"Did I ever tell you the definition of Insanity"
Farcry3 2012
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 06, 2011, 05:57:07 PM
Far Cry 3. Now on to Gearbox. Brothers In Arms? Duke Nukem?
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Post by: Stogi on June 06, 2011, 05:57:51 PM
I got a feeling Far Cry is going to be on Cafe,.
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 06, 2011, 05:58:17 PM
Brothers In Arms: Tarantino edition
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 05:58:56 PM
Inglorious Basterds!?
the game?
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Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 05:59:08 PM
Ok, it was Far Cry 3, but it did look pretty cool. I did have to laugh at the irony of Ubisoft putting out a trailer constantly repeating that the definition of insanity was "doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result." That pretty much sums up Ubisoft in general.
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Post by: Stogi on June 06, 2011, 05:59:12 PM
Basterds rip off?
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Post by: bustin98 on June 06, 2011, 05:59:16 PM
Furious 4... no gameplay? Lame
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 06, 2011, 05:59:23 PM
Yeah, Far Cry 3 may be game of the show so far.
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Post by: Stogi on June 06, 2011, 05:59:52 PM
haha we we're all thinking exactly the same thing
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 06, 2011, 06:00:03 PM
Inglorious Fast and Furious 4
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Post by: Mop it up on June 06, 2011, 06:01:02 PM
Rayman Origins looks like it could be fun. Is it also going to be released on the Wii?
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Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 06:02:18 PM
Oh look, Borderlands: Nazi Germany edition. Yawn.
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Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 06:03:39 PM
Is "cartoony" really the best way to describe it? Still looks far from that to me.
Perhaps exaggerated? The look of Future Solider and Far Cry 3 look to be a bit more fantastical than what you see in other games.
Please no more jokes, Mr. Caffeine.
Yay! TrackMania 2!
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Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 06:15:34 PM
Wow, Ubisoft is just kicking EA and Microsoft's press conference asses thoroughly, and they haven't brought out Assassin's Creed: Utter Cash-in yet. Rayman Origins, Far Cry 3, and Ghost Recon: Future Soldier are all looking pretty cool.
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Post by: Mop it up on June 06, 2011, 06:15:57 PM
SO how are you guys rating the conferences so far?
Ubi EA
MS
It'd be the opposite for me. Microsoft at least showed some interesting Kinect software, whereas EA and Ubisoft are pretty much the usual stuff we see from them.
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Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 06:16:32 PM
SO how are you guys rating the conferences so far?
Ubi EA
MS
It'd be the opposite for me. Microsoft at least showed some interesting Kinect software, whereas EA and Ubisoft are pretty much the usual stuff we see from them.
I would hesitate to call what Microsoft showed new or interesting. To me, a lot of it was the same on-rails experiences that were thoroughly denounced on Wii. You shouldn't even need the Kinect for what they're using it for on Mass Effect 3, considering all you should need is a Microphone.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 06:22:07 PM
Rabbid Kinect.
Look at this guys facial expression and beard
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Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 06:23:10 PM
why isnt any of the nwr staff at E3 hitting the twitter?
That's because they are all in the process of being sworn in as NWA Staph.
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Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 06:27:29 PM
Just Dance 3: Ubisoft's contribution to the industry-wide extermination of the music genre.
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Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 06:27:39 PM
Just Dance 3. Ah, should've expected this given the sales.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 06:27:50 PM
Dancing games are gonna get run into the ground just like the music genre if they keep releasing an update every year with no real improvements in gameplay.
Just Dance 3 better use the motion camera that Ubi made so that it can be a little more like the Kinect version.
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Post by: Stogi on June 06, 2011, 06:27:54 PM
I really hate that song
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 06:29:53 PM
Rock smith... I need this game.
I gotta learn how to play my Superman Guitar I won on New Years Eve. I hope this comes out for Wii and plugs into the Wiimote
Don't know why I thought they might want to bring it to Wii....
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Post by: Mop it up on June 06, 2011, 06:30:16 PM
Just Dance 3! I meant to predict that. Ah well, I'm surprised they haven't made a Kinect or Move version of Just Dance...
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 06, 2011, 06:30:26 PM
Sesame Street vs Far Cry for GAME OF E3
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Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 06:30:46 PM
Wow, did Ubisoft just compare themselves to Nintendo with Wii Sports? That's just wrong on so many levels.
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Post by: Stogi on June 06, 2011, 06:32:07 PM
Why couldn't they make Piano smith?
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Post by: Stogi on June 06, 2011, 06:33:29 PM
lol that girl was dancing like she was in 'Coming To America'
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Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 06:34:25 PM
Daggers? Is it Assassin's Creed time?
Yes it is. Assassin's Creed Revelations.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 06:34:40 PM
Assassins Creed animated like Samurai Jack?
Oh retro make over for 25th Anniversary.
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 06, 2011, 06:34:57 PM
Can you take me Higher
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Post by: Stogi on June 06, 2011, 06:34:59 PM
holy **** I love that art style!
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Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 06:35:11 PM
Is it wrong that I'd rather play this retro version of Assassin's Creed than the real cash-grab sequel they're making?
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Post by: Mop it up on June 06, 2011, 06:36:02 PM
Wow, did Ubisoft just compare themselves to Nintendo with Wii Sports? That's just wrong on so many levels.
Didn't they do the same thing last year? Maybe that was someone else, but I thought it was them. It was at least someone undeserving of it, but it seems to be the comparison to make these days.
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 06, 2011, 06:36:07 PM
Any of these retro remakes coming to the 3DS?
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Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 06:36:53 PM
Is it wrong that I'd rather play this retro version of Assassin's Creed than the real cash-grab sequel they're making?
No.
As for Revelations, I heard similar smack being talked about Brotherhood and that game turned out to be good.
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Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 06:38:19 PM
I notice they're really talking-up Ezio and not mentioning Desmond at all, despite the fact that's he's the actual main character of this franchise and Ezio is a virtual reality simulation. ::)
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Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 06:40:17 PM
I notice they're really talking-up Ezio and not mentioning Desmond at all, despite the fact that's he's the actual main character of this franchise and Ezio is a virtual reality simulation. ::)
Shush! That's a spoiler. Maybe they're being needlessly coy until they make the Desmond game.
Flamethrower is pretty sweet.
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 06, 2011, 06:46:57 PM
We have Sony left to wow us tonight, right?
Are Capcom, Konami, and everyone else holding pressers tomorrow?
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Post by: Stogi on June 06, 2011, 06:47:59 PM
They did a fantastic job getting the mood down for the Ass ass creed but I really...REALLY liked the old school art style better.
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Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 06:49:44 PM
Are Capcom, Konami, and everyone else holding pressers tomorrow?
If they are, I couldn't find information on them. We do have the Nintendo press conference tomorrow, which has its own thread in the Nintendo gaming section of the forums.
As for Ubisoft's showing, I thought they did what they needed to do after last year's show: they brought the games. I didn't care for many of them and the company's casual showing was just obvious franchise milking, but there were definitely interesting-looking games in there. It was probably the best conference today, but the bar was set pretty low.
I'm definitely looking forward to seeing what Sony brings this year, though I may or may not be able to watch it Live with you guys depending on when I get into the hotel and how the signal holds up. It was pretty decent during the Ubisoft Press Conference, but that kind of connection is pretty rare out here.
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Post by: Killer_Man_Jaro on June 06, 2011, 06:53:20 PM
The height of that press conference for me was right at the start with Rayman Origins. From there, there was an ebb and flow to the quality of what was shown. I can't say I was a fan of the general theme of the show (referring to the pointless retro clips and the hyperactive host). That said, there were some surprise announcements, and a couple look alright.
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Post by: Shaymin on June 06, 2011, 06:56:07 PM
So between Ubi and EA, the only games Nintendo owners give a crap about are Just Dance 3 and MAYBE Rayman Origins?
Thanks.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 06:57:12 PM
I was into the Farcry3 video.
I was thinking "why don't they just make a movie like this. Maybe not a long movie, but a 40minute movie all in the first person view... I would watch it"
Then I was thinking.... haven't they already done that. And wasn't it called Call of Duty?
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 06, 2011, 06:57:31 PM
when is Activision?
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Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 06:59:07 PM
So between Ubi and EA, the only games Nintendo owners give a crap about are Just Dance 3 and MAYBE Rayman Origins?
Thanks.
Keep in mind that none of these companies can show off Cafe games until Nintendo formerly unveils the console at tomorrow's Press Conference. There was never any reason to think the Wii would still have 3rd party support at this point, with Cafe already being a known quantity.
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Post by: Mop it up on June 06, 2011, 07:16:20 PM
There wasn't really anything shown that interests me, the only thing which might is Rayman Origins simply because I like platformers. I'm not familiar with the Rayman series, at least, outside of the Rabbids.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 07:17:24 PM
What about Tin Tin? that looked like a platformer.
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Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 07:25:36 PM
Looks like I'll get to watch about 15-25 minutes of Sony's Press Conference before I have to do other things, so I'll have to catch the rest on highlights and when Sony posts the thing on PSN.
I watched both the trailer and demo footage of the new Tomb Raider game, and it still looks pretty cool so far. I also liked the trailer for Overstrike, though I notice that Insomniac seems to be "borrowing" weapons from other properties (the sticky inflating ball gun from The Incredibles), even their own Resistance franchise's Auger.
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Post by: blackfootsteps on June 06, 2011, 07:26:18 PM
Re: MS presser, I have an implacable hatred for Don Mattrick. He is the smarmiest guy around. Reminds me of that '80s guy from Futurama but without the awesome.
MS conference was pathetic. I can't remember the last time there was a decent showing from any of the three. Makes me wonder why I get up at 2am to watch the garbage. So glad Sony's is on at a decent hour!
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Post by: Mop it up on June 06, 2011, 07:31:10 PM
What about Tin Tin? that looked like a platformer.
I didn't catch it. Maybe I'll look for it later once everything from the conference is sorted out.
Yeah, the trailer was so short it was blink-and-you-miss-it. I was in the middle of a page refresh at the time and could only catch the last 10 seconds or so of it.
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Post by: Adrock on June 06, 2011, 07:43:04 PM
Microsoft's press conference didn't impress me much. I couldn't care less about Halo Anniversary or Halo 4 since I can't play either without wanting to vomit (for no real fault of its own, I just get horrible, horrible headaches).
Gears is jawesome but it's Gears. Been there, done that. Still excited though.
Tomb Raider impresses me and I'm not a Tomb Raider fan. That's probably why I was impressed. This reboot is nothing like the previous games. I don't think they went to far with the vulnerable/naive Lara. Not yet, anyway. She reacted exactly how I would expect anyone except Batman would react in a similar situation. For an intro level, sure, I buy it. Within an hour or so, I expect Lara to not be so panicky. This is multiplatform so I hope Square Enix and Nintendo announce it for Cafe tomorrow.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 07:43:29 PM
What about Tin Tin? that looked like a platformer.
I didn't catch it. Maybe I'll look for it later once everything from the conference is sorted out.
Yeah, the trailer was so short it was blink-and-you-miss-it. I was in the middle of a page refresh at the time and could only catch the last 10 seconds or so of it.
I'm pretty sure it was a minute or 2 long as it had commentary from Spielberg and everything.
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Post by: Dasmos on June 06, 2011, 07:53:28 PM
Tomb Raider impresses me and I'm not a Tomb Raider fan. That's probably why I was impressed. This reboot is nothing like the previous games. I don't think they went to far with the vulnerable/naive Lara. Not yet, anyway. She reacted exactly how I would expect anyone except Batman would react in a similar situation. For an intro level, sure, I buy it. Within an hour or so, I expect Lara to not be so panicky. This is multiplatform so I hope Square Enix and Nintendo announce it for Cafe tomorrow.
Exactly my thoughts. I mean she was impaled as well, you don't just shake that off so easily. I sort of got an Uncharted vibe from the demo, which of course is a good thing. Plus Lara Croft is really hot this time. Day 1 purchase ;) .
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Post by: Louieturkey on June 06, 2011, 08:04:36 PM
Grrr, I can't get onto Playstation Home to watch the conference. Stupid Sony not anticipating the demand. Guess I'm staying on GTTV.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 08:07:44 PM
Sony COnference just started
and it's not starting out in the conference room...
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Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 08:10:11 PM
As usual, Sony's late in starting their Press Conference. Thanks, Sony. Maybe I'll get to watch their introductory promo reel now. :-\
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 08:10:24 PM
As usual, Sony's late in starting their Press Conference. Thanks, Sony. Maybe I'll get to watch their introductory promo reel now. :-\
They're doing a "red carpet" outside the conference interview style show right now.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 08:22:10 PM
PSN Network outage being addressed.
"you're welcome" - Sony
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Post by: Ceric on June 06, 2011, 08:23:09 PM
Trent will now be known as Mr.Uh
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Post by: Ceric on June 06, 2011, 08:24:54 PM
Great... Now I'm part of 2 dysfunctional families... The one that won't give me time and the one that can't get it right.
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Post by: Dasmos on June 06, 2011, 08:25:13 PM
This guy has a bad shirt and tie.
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Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 08:26:54 PM
That was a short apology that didn't sound like an apology.
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Post by: Dasmos on June 06, 2011, 08:27:18 PM
**** yeah, Uncharted. I might just turn it off after this.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 08:28:12 PM
Finally onto the games!
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 06, 2011, 08:28:43 PM
uncharted. HO-HUM
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Post by: Ceric on June 06, 2011, 08:29:25 PM
Not Live TV though but, I do agree that the platform is probably more of a value now.
On the Shirt and Tie I think its a power combo.
Stealth... That right their made it so I don't want to touch uncharted...
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Post by: Adrock on June 06, 2011, 08:31:10 PM
Uncharted 3 looks good, more of the same just with grander set pieces. I'll probably get it even if it probably won't wow me as much as Among Thieves. To be fair, it's an extremely tough act to follow. That game was so good.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 08:31:55 PM
Kinda funny how the water pools at that weird angle...
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Post by: Ceric on June 06, 2011, 08:33:36 PM
Ok, This is winning the slowest presentation yet... Get to the point. Are we just going to watch uncharted... Why don't we go play some Shuffle board now...
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Post by: Adrock on June 06, 2011, 08:35:33 PM
Oh, look, it's Helen Mirren...
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Post by: Ceric on June 06, 2011, 08:35:51 PM
Are we still on Uncharted....
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Post by: Ceric on June 06, 2011, 08:37:54 PM
Pink Dual Shock lol.
Resistance 3.
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Post by: Dasmos on June 06, 2011, 08:38:05 PM
That Playstation 3D TV split screen feature sounds like magic.
We had a thread on it a while ago. MS was working on one that did 4 splits so you could technically watch 4 different things at the same time on one TV and everyone would see it full screen.
2 player split is still an awesome feature though....
but the presentation is SOOOOOOOOO Boring. Where is the enthusiasm?
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Post by: Ceric on June 06, 2011, 08:55:05 PM
Conceptual thats cool if your TV is mounted perfectly like that.
Are Extra's like Vittles?
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Post by: Adrock on June 06, 2011, 08:55:38 PM
but the presentation is SOOOOOOOOO Boring. Where is the enthusiasm?
Did you really expect enthusiasm from Jack Tretton? You might as well ask a cat to moo while you're at it.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 08:57:16 PM
is this another rail game?
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Post by: Ceric on June 06, 2011, 08:57:51 PM
...And Nice Job Jeremy.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 09:00:08 PM
Oh, and I gotta say that I was a little pro occupied during the 3D tv part of the presentation. They did say it was full screen split with 3D glasses right? One person sees left the other sees right?
I just assumed that's what you guys were talking about because I remember the thread on the tech.
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Post by: Ceric on June 06, 2011, 09:01:49 PM
Oh, and I gotta say that I was a little pro occupied during the 3D tv part of the presentation. They did say it was full screen split with 3D glasses right? One person sees left the other sees right?
I just assumed that's what you guys were talking about because I remember the thread on the tech.
Yeah it was.
LBP2 Move Support... That is still not fully delivered.
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Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 09:04:25 PM
but the presentation is SOOOOOOOOO Boring. Where is the enthusiasm?
Sony's has always been the most sedate.
Also, yay for Sly 4.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 09:04:51 PM
I swear I've already seen this trailer before....
uhhh never mind.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Adrock on June 06, 2011, 09:05:06 PM
For the love of Jebus, I really want to wowed by something. So far, only Uncharted 3 has interested me and that's mostly because Uncharted 2 was so good.
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Post by: Dasmos on June 06, 2011, 09:06:20 PM
haha the whole conference should have been hosted by this dutch guy.
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Post by: kraken613 on June 06, 2011, 09:10:14 PM
BIOSHOCK!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 09:11:15 PM
Dust 514. Get paid by EVE Online people to conquer planets. Also, Surface to Space beam cannons.
ooo, Bioshock Infinite. Now on a sky city!
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Post by: Mop it up on June 06, 2011, 09:12:41 PM
That television is neat, but seems more like a "because we can" type of thing rather than something practical.
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Post by: Adrock on June 06, 2011, 09:15:05 PM
Ken Levine and Jack Tretton just called NGP, the NGP.
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Post by: FZeroBoyo on June 06, 2011, 09:15:28 PM
Yeah... Is that good?
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Post by: UncleBob on June 06, 2011, 09:15:56 PM
Can I plug two GameCubes into the TV and let two people play? :D
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Post by: Ceric on June 06, 2011, 09:16:47 PM
Ok getting Bioshock 1 with Bioshock Infinite might be interesting.
Neo Geo Pocket for ever. Yup Yup.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 09:18:23 PM
I've missed everything since Starhawk... what did I miss?
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Post by: Ceric on June 06, 2011, 09:19:34 PM
Would it be to much to ask for them to kill the new Spock? That would be an instant buy for me. I actually like the other new characters.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 06, 2011, 09:19:42 PM
So far Sony's press conference has been...pretty bad. The TV will be cool, but every other game they've shown looks like the same game (aside from Uncharted 3 which looks awesome). The apology for the PSN outage was basically non-existent and pathetic, and whatever they were trying to do with NBA2K11 and Kobe Bryant clearly wasn't working.
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Post by: FZeroBoyo on June 06, 2011, 09:20:16 PM
Here it comes... NGP.
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Post by: kraken613 on June 06, 2011, 09:21:47 PM
I like this conference better than MS's, more that appeals to me I guess. Xbox doesn't have much that I care about.
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Post by: Ceric on June 06, 2011, 09:22:17 PM
...and the rest of you *rude gesture*
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 09:23:45 PM
PS Vita!?
c'mon, just come out and say it already.
BAM!!! PS VITA
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Post by: FZeroBoyo on June 06, 2011, 09:24:56 PM
Vita is official name. Huh.
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Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 09:25:03 PM
So, it's Vee-tah.
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Post by: Ceric on June 06, 2011, 09:25:08 PM
PSVITA the Portable Pita.
They polled their fan base and the new experience is getting laid.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 09:26:01 PM
WOW front and rear camera which have nver before been seen.... like the ones on the 3DS!?.... or the DSi!?
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Post by: Adrock on June 06, 2011, 09:26:32 PM
Did he just say front and rear facing camera have never been seen before?
Partnering with AT&T?
Goddammit, Sony..... /never-ending facepalm
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Post by: UncleBob on June 06, 2011, 09:26:37 PM
AT&T?
Can't handle the iPhone. They're supposed to handle this?
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Adrock on June 06, 2011, 09:30:48 PM
"Everyone knows Nathan Drake; how he looks, how he moves."
Yeah, I saw Firefly.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 09:31:40 PM
buttons replaced by unnecessary screen touches.... here we go again.
Sony hasn't learned anything?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 09:33:13 PM
paint the edges(draw the path on the screen).... because pushing one of the 2 analog sticks in the direction you want to move is asking way too much.
The game visually looks great, but they are using eh touchscreen in the same way everyone complained about people using waggle on the Wii. replacing buttons with unnecessary touch screen interaction for things that would have been easier to just push the button.
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Post by: kraken613 on June 06, 2011, 09:34:43 PM
"Like the way we are using rear touch"
Great....
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Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 09:36:05 PM
paint the edges(draw the path on the screen).... because pushing one of the 2 analog sticks in the direction you want to move is asking way too much.
The game visually looks great, but they are using eh touchscreen in the same way everyone complained about people using waggle on the Wii. replacing buttons with unnecessary touch screen interaction for things that would have been easier to just push the button.
More options! Some of the painting looks easier.
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Post by: Adrock on June 06, 2011, 09:36:25 PM
paint the edges(draw the path on the screen).... because pushing one of the 2 analog sticks in the direction you want to move is asking way too much.
The game visually looks great, but they are using eh touchscreen in the same way everyone complained about people using waggle on the Wii. replacing buttons with unnecessary touch screen interaction for things that would have been easier to just push the button.
The difference is that you're given a choice on Vita. You don't have to use touch controls. Nintendo forced waggle down everyone's throats.
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Post by: Stogi on June 06, 2011, 09:37:00 PM
lol at the dude looking like a robot with his arms locked.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 06, 2011, 09:41:19 PM
Bragging about cloud saving being only on PS3 should have been cut now that Microsoft said earlier that they're doing it too.
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Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 09:41:35 PM
So Vita's the thing's real name, huh? Great...
And they're talking about a game I couldn't care less about on Vita: ModNation Racers.
At least I get to watch a little of the conference live, though I'm sad I missed the Sly 4 formal reveal. I'll look for the footage posted online later. I have the "Apology" to watch as well.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 09:42:27 PM
I'm all for options, but these ones were put in a game that didn't require or need them.... atleast not in the place they used them But to each their own. It doesn't hurt the game to have that option but hopefully they will come up with better ideas with future games.
touchscreen on front and touchpad on back has a lot of potential. Sony just needs to be a little more creative.
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Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 09:43:45 PM
This is pretty much the exact samedemo they did for ModNation Racers PS3 a few years back, and it was boring then too.
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Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 09:44:19 PM
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Post by: Stogi on June 06, 2011, 09:45:22 PM
I agree with BnM. Uncharted 2 has some of the best controls for a platformer and Vita doesn't improve on it. It just does it's own thing...which is weird.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 06, 2011, 09:45:57 PM
How can you be more creative than putting analog sticks on your system, adding front and rear cameras, and adding a touch screen? Clearly none of these technologies existed until Sony invented them.
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Post by: lolmonade on June 06, 2011, 09:46:09 PM
Ars Technica live blog is claiming price will be announced at $250 for wifi version of Vita, and $300 for 3G. Speculation or reasonable possibility?
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 06, 2011, 09:47:53 PM
Ars Technica live blog is claiming price will be announced at $250 for wifi version of Vita, and $300 for 3G. Speculation or reasonable possibility?
Kotaku says the same thing, and that they got that info from Sony PR.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 06, 2011, 09:48:31 PM
Holy **** Street Fighter X Tekken.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 09:48:51 PM
It's very reasonable. 3DS is WAAAAAY overpriced.
Nintendo could probably make a $30 profit on every 3DS sold at $199.99
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Post by: FZeroBoyo on June 06, 2011, 09:49:16 PM
Street Fighter X Tekken.
And Ono-san!
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 06, 2011, 09:49:49 PM
Listen, I love gay people, but isn't it kind of weird that almost everyone talking in Sony's conference is gay? Just odd. Nothing wrong with it.
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Post by: kraken613 on June 06, 2011, 09:50:04 PM
If that is going to be the price of this I am for sure going to wait to buy a 3DS because it will have a nice price drop before this comes out.
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Post by: Dasmos on June 06, 2011, 09:50:42 PM
Capcom is making a Smash Bros.
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Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 09:50:56 PM
Only Japan is going to care about Street Fighter x Tekken being on PS Vita. Everyone else will just play it on PS3 or 360. Having Infamous' Cole in the game is cool, though.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 09:52:18 PM
Sony supposedly downgraded the RAM in Vita too just so they could get the price down to something competitive.
and part of the Wifi version may be subsidized by the 3G versions with the contracts... if there are contracts.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 06, 2011, 09:55:25 PM
For $250, consider me onboard for launch. I never owned a PSP, so the BC means I have a lot of things to play right from the start.
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Post by: Adrock on June 06, 2011, 09:56:14 PM
lol at the dude looking like a robot with his arms locked.
I didn't notice until you mentioned this. Once I saw it, I couldn't unsee it. That was so distraction. I couldn't pay attention to anything else. Thanks for that.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 09:57:10 PM
$249.99 Wifi is official $299.99 3G/Wifi is official too.
Now that is something to be excited over. Nintendo now needs to respond with a 3DS price drop 1 week before PSV launch.
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Post by: FZeroBoyo on June 06, 2011, 09:57:41 PM
Same price tag as 3DS for Wi-Fi model. Might be on board, since there are some PSP games I'd like to pick up.
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Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 09:58:20 PM
The PSP Wi-Fi version is priced the same as the 3DS, and the 3G version is only $40 more. Sony may have just fired a pretty damaging shot at Nintendo. I'll probably pick up a Vita for that, especially since my digital PSP games will transfer over.
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Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 09:58:41 PM
US$250 for the Wi Fi only Vita. That is a hell of a price.
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Post by: Adrock on June 06, 2011, 09:58:52 PM
I still don't think Nintendo is worried about the price. They're launching Ocarina of Time in a few weeks. Mario Kart in Q4, possibly even Mario 3DS. They'll be fine.
I'll pass on Vita, just as I passed on 3DS.
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Post by: kraken613 on June 06, 2011, 09:59:12 PM
There was more I was interested in this than there was in Microsoft for me.
CAN'T WAIT FOR NINTENDO THOUGH! I will be at school though.... :( Damn exams!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 09:59:19 PM
RIdge racer joke +1 for this guy even though he has no enthusiasm
Sadly, other than PSVita price point... there wasn't too much happening here as far as exciting news or surprises.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 06, 2011, 09:59:33 PM
I thought it was a missed opportunity that he said "249 dollars" and not "249 US dollars."
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Post by: Stogi on June 06, 2011, 10:00:30 PM
lol at the dude looking like a robot with his arms locked.
I didn't notice until you mentioned this. Once I saw it, I couldn't unsee it. That was so distraction. I couldn't pay attention to anything else. Thanks for that.
No problem haha
$250? Color me impressed. Once it's jailbroken, i'll pick one of them up asap.
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Post by: kraken613 on June 06, 2011, 10:01:31 PM
WTF is this?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 10:03:11 PM
WTF is going on?
exit music? another announcement? reel change? WTF is going on?
Is it over?
Did Sony have their own PS Vita & PS3 Arcade set-up? Damn, they really didn't want to be outshined by Ninteindo this year. They are having a Pre-E3 E3. those sneaky bastards.
Did anyone else's feed just cut to black?
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Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 10:05:07 PM
It's over. This the music they're playing as the press play in the arcade.
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Post by: Mop it up on June 06, 2011, 10:05:38 PM
I'm surprised at the PSPita price. Have they learned nothing from the PS3? Selling your system at a loss is no way to make a profit...
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Post by: Adrock on June 06, 2011, 10:06:15 PM
I'm surprised at the PSPita price. Have they learned nothing from the PS3? Selling your system at a loss is no way to make a profit...
Still better than not selling your system at all because the price is too high. They need to sell it and get it in people's hands to instill confidence in the platform.
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Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 10:07:50 PM
So Sony announced a version of Bioshock Infinite with Move Support, as well as some kind of pack-in with the first Bioshock? Gametrailers mentioned something like that in the post-conference commentary, but I missed that part of the conference. And there's apparently a Vita-exclusive Bioshock game? Can anyone elaborate? If that is what it is, that's pretty cool.
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Post by: Mop it up on June 06, 2011, 10:08:19 PM
I s'pose, but they'll need some good software to go with it that will sell enough to make back the loss and then some.
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Post by: lolmonade on June 06, 2011, 10:08:34 PM
I'm surprised at the PSPita price. Have they learned nothing from the PS3? Selling your system at a loss is no way to make a profit...
They've learned the correct lesson: that there is a price threshold that mainstream consumers are unwilling to pay. The PS1/2 were successful because they took a financial hit to release what was considered high-tech at competitive prices. The PS3 was them assuming the consumer will pay $600 as long as there was perceived value for it. I see the Vita as a realization that they have no leverage for competitiveness if they are outside of reasonable pricing with Nintendo. Sony is fighting for market share with Nintendo at this point, not profits off of each unit.
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Post by: Louieturkey on June 06, 2011, 10:09:04 PM
For $250, consider me onboard for launch. I never owned a PSP, so the BC means I have a lot of things to play right from the start.
I'm there as well. Never owned a PSP but plan to get the PSV. I just hope Square puts their shamefully omitted PSN games to the PSN before the VITA launches.
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Post by: Adrock on June 06, 2011, 10:09:27 PM
And there's apparently a Vita-exclusive Bioshock game? Can anyone elaborate? If that is what it is, that's pretty cool.
Nothing else to elaborate on. Ken Levine finished talking then basically said, "P.S. - We're working on Bioshock for NGP," then he descended back into the shadows.
I s'pose, but they'll need some good software to go with it that will sell enough to make back the loss and then some.
They have a decent lineup. The problem is that every single one of those games has a PS3 counterpart. I love the Uncharted series but I already own a PS3. I'm getting Uncharted 3, but I won't buy Vita just to play an Uncharted game that will likely add NOTHING to the series. It will likely be good and I'll get Vita eventually, but it's not going to get me to buy entirely new hardware on its own. I'll wait for a price drop and for the library to build up.
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Post by: Stogi on June 06, 2011, 10:10:27 PM
Cheap expensive hardware is only a good thing for us. Please Sony, by all means keep taking a loss.
Seriously...once it's jailbroken, it's over. I'll be playing GC games on the go.
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Post by: Killer_Man_Jaro on June 06, 2011, 10:11:00 PM
Probably the best of the conferences so far. It dragged in a few places and there wasn't really anything unexpected, but they delivered the goods. The Vita looks interesting and that price makes it very competitive, so it'll all come down to the 3DS software line-up as the decider for which handheld comes away from this E3 with the mind share.
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Post by: lolmonade on June 06, 2011, 10:14:00 PM
Probably the best of the conferences so far. It dragged in a few places and there wasn't really anything unexpected, but they delivered the goods. The Vita looks interesting and that price makes it very competitive, so it'll all come down to the 3DS software line-up as the decider for which handheld comes away from this E3 with the mind share.
The Vita Price and Playstation 3D TV were the only real surprises to me, but just because it wasn't full of surprises doesn't mean it was a bad conference. Delicious pizza is delicious regardless of whether or not it was a surprise.
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Post by: Mop it up on June 06, 2011, 10:14:09 PM
They've learned the correct lesson: that there is a price threshold that mainstream consumers are unwilling to pay. The PS1/2 were successful because they took a financial hit to release what was considered high-tech at competitive prices. The PS3 was them assuming the consumer will pay $600 as long as there was perceived value for it. I see the Vita as a realization that they have no leverage for competitiveness if they are outside of reasonable pricing with Nintendo. Sony is fighting for market share with Nintendo at this point, not profits off of each unit.
I guess, but in that case they need an extreme success to be profitable, which I don't see happening against the 3DS (or even the DS). Nintendo's model is still far more profitable.
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 06, 2011, 10:15:07 PM
dang $250. Marcus says STEP YO GAME UP NINTENDO
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 10:16:32 PM
They've learned the correct lesson: that there is a price threshold that mainstream consumers are unwilling to pay. The PS1/2 were successful because they took a financial hit to release what was considered high-tech at competitive prices. The PS3 was them assuming the consumer will pay $600 as long as there was perceived value for it. I see the Vita as a realization that they have no leverage for competitiveness if they are outside of reasonable pricing with Nintendo. Sony is fighting for market share with Nintendo at this point, not profits off of each unit.
I guess, but in that case they need an extreme success to be profitable, which I don't see happening against the 3DS (or even the DS). Nintendo's model is still far more profitable.
The problem with the 3DS, though, is that its software lineup is pretty weak so far. We'll see how that shapes out after tomorrow's Press Conference, but right now Sony's thrown out a great incentive for those many people who didn't purchase a 3DS to wait for what's possibly a much better product with a potentially better lineup of games.
There's also a psychology in the price. Nintendo flat out told us they're overcharging on the 3DS, which makes me feel ripped off buying it at $250. Sony's likely taking a pretty substantial loss at $250, which makes me feel like I'm getting a great value at $250 for that technology and lineup of games.
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Post by: Adrock on June 06, 2011, 10:19:24 PM
Of course it is, but Nintendo is also the overwhelming market leader with a much more devoted fanbase. Sony can't compete by copying Nintendo, they have to try to beat them in a completely different way. They're price matching with more powerful hardware. Not sure that's going to work, but it's better than releasing similar hardware at the same price. They might have tried releasing similar hardware at a lower price.
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Post by: Mop it up on June 06, 2011, 10:19:28 PM
Yeah, I think Nintendo will see how sales go this holiday and drop the price after that if it doesn't fare well. I don't see how the PSPita is a better product though, glasses-free 3D seems better than anything the PSPita offers. That's just me though, I was never into fluff.
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Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 10:22:44 PM
Yeah, I think Nintendo will see how sales go this holiday and drop the price after that if it doesn't fare well. I don't see how the PSPita is a better product though, glasses-free 3D seems better than anything the PSPita offers. That's just me though, I was never into fluff.
To me, the glasses-free 3D is the very definition of "gimmick" and "fluff", so I'll gladly take better technology over something Nintendo doesn't even allow developers to base game design around. Plus, the 3DS' display gives me a headache to look at in 3D mode, so it's kind of a worthless feature to me even if I didn't think it was a gimmick.
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Post by: Enner on June 06, 2011, 10:23:45 PM
The Vita is offering shinier visuals as well as all sorts of inputs and communications. However, the specs have changed since January. They must've cut some of the bigger numbers from then to get that $250 price. Makes me wonder how much storage will be on the Vita.
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Post by: Adrock on June 06, 2011, 10:25:02 PM
Yeah, I think Nintendo will see how sales go this holiday and drop the price after that if it doesn't fare well. I don't see how the PSPita is a better product though, glasses-free 3D seems better than anything the PSPita offers. That's just me though, I was never into fluff.
Glasses free 3D isn't fluff? Seems like the very definition of fluff.
I prefer the 2 screen set up to the rear touchpad. That's really the main difference because graphically, I'm happy with what the 3DS can do, even if Vita is capable of better. Nintendo makes the games I want. They just need to to fix the battery life then we'll talk about buying one.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Mop it up on June 06, 2011, 10:25:49 PM
Of course it is, but Nintendo is also the overwhelming market leader with a much more devoted fanbase. Sony can't compete by copying Nintendo, they have to try to beat them in a completely different way.
That's a good point, though it also makes it sound like the two are not in direct competition with one another. Which may be true; I don't think the PSP really cut into DS sales, and the DS probably didn't deter anyone interested in a PSP.
To me, the glasses-free 3D is the very definition of "gimmick"
Except that the definition of gimmick is an eye-catching feature, so it also applies to everything new on the Vita as well.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on June 06, 2011, 10:28:05 PM
Funny enough, I'm with broodwars. 3D shouldn't be the 3DS's main selling point. Yes, glasses free 3D is an advancement in the medium, but the idea of 3D itself is no longer innovative. There are 3D TVs, 3D on Youtube, 3D on laptops, TONS of 3D movies. The 3DS has to sell first and foremost SOFTWARE. Even if the software sells the 3D well enough, if its of high quality and worth owning then the 3DS will take off. So in my honest opinion, 3D isn't the 3DS's best feature.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Stogi on June 06, 2011, 10:29:24 PM
I think in order for Nintendo to get back market appeal for the 3DS, they need to showcase 3D movies and a whole bunch of great games.
Luckily, that's exactly what I think they'll do.
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Post by: Dasmos on June 06, 2011, 10:31:52 PM
I think we need to have another argument over the definition of gimmick.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 06, 2011, 10:33:11 PM
They've learned the correct lesson: that there is a price threshold that mainstream consumers are unwilling to pay. The PS1/2 were successful because they took a financial hit to release what was considered high-tech at competitive prices. The PS3 was them assuming the consumer will pay $600 as long as there was perceived value for it. I see the Vita as a realization that they have no leverage for competitiveness if they are outside of reasonable pricing with Nintendo. Sony is fighting for market share with Nintendo at this point, not profits off of each unit.
I guess, but in that case they need an extreme success to be profitable, which I don't see happening against the 3DS (or even the DS). Nintendo's model is still far more profitable.
The problem with the 3DS, though, is that its software lineup is pretty weak so far. We'll see how that shapes out after tomorrow's Press Conference, but right now Sony's thrown out a great incentive for those many people who didn't purchase a 3DS to wait for what's possibly a much better product with a potentially better lineup of games.
There's also a psychology in the price. Nintendo flat out told us they're overcharging on the 3DS, which makes me feel ripped off buying it at $250. Sony's likely taking a pretty substantial loss at $250, which makes me feel like I'm getting a great value at $250 for that technology and lineup of games.
Weak lineup? I take it you have been sleeping the last few handheld generations, the launch window lineups are always weak to average at best. 3DS still has a great lineup of games, many of which should debut before PSV.
Also while I think Nintendo needs to do something about price now, Sony taking substantial losses to release a new system is not something I am happy about, and a trend that has always bothered me about MS and Sony. It is garbage like that which hurts the industry, and is meant to flood the market. Nintendo talks about iPhone games being a race to the bottom, taking large losses to sell hardware makes iPhone game pricing seem irrelevant.
In regards to 3D on 3DS, glasses free 3D is still a fresher take on 3D. The fact is that the 3D TV market has no standard, and you may be buying outdated stuff that won't even work in a few years. Not only that but glasses are expensive. While 3D has been around for awhile, glasses free has not, at least when it comes to handheld devices. There appears to be a double standard being expressed here as well, games are a key feature for any , well, game system so might as well say PSVs touch pad, and hardware power is fluff as well and doesn't matter.
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Post by: Mop it up on June 06, 2011, 10:35:39 PM
Funny enough, I'm with broodwars. 3D shouldn't be the 3DS's main selling point. Yes, glasses free 3D is an advancement in the medium, but the idea of 3D itself is no longer innovative. There are 3D TVs, 3D on Youtube, 3D on laptops, TONS of 3D movies. The 3DS has to sell first and foremost SOFTWARE. Even if the software sells the 3D well enough, if its of high quality and worth owning then the 3DS will take off. So in my honest opinion, 3D isn't the 3DS's best feature.
I never said it was the best feature, just that it was better than anything the Vita offers. The only thing on the Vita I see that can possibly enhance games is the rear touchpad, although I have trouble imagining how it can do anything that a regular touchscreen and/or buttons can't do. So, we'll see how it gets used.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on June 06, 2011, 10:36:00 PM
Also while I think Nintendo needs to do something about price now, Sony taking substantial losses to release a new system is not something I am happy about, and a trend that has always bothered me about MS and Sony. It is garbage like that which hurts the industry, and is meant to flood the market. Nintendo talks about iPhone games being a race to the bottom, taking large losses to sell hardware makes iPhone game pricing seem irrelevant.
That's the glory of capitalism, though. The consumer can only win when we have price wars like this. And while this price move has made Sony extremely competitive with the 3DS, they still have the win people over on what really matters: the games. If they put out a lineup as weak as the 3DS' has been so far, they'll be in the same place Nintendo has been...only it'll hurt much more because of the loss they take on the hardware.
And incidentally, I hate 3D in any form outside of theme park attractions and whatnot. It's a silly gimmick and has been a silly gimmick for well over 50 years, whether you watch it with glasses or on glasses-free displays. Sony doesn't get a free pass on their love for 3D just because I don't care about the 3D display of the 3DS.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 06, 2011, 10:48:34 PM
I agree with Dasmos, that needs to happen right now.
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Post by: Stogi on June 06, 2011, 10:49:37 PM
Hey IMAX 3D is the ****. It might as well be a theme park attraction.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on June 06, 2011, 10:59:02 PM
I think in order for Nintendo to get back market appeal for the 3DS, they need to showcase 3D movies and a whole bunch of great games.
Luckily, that's exactly what I think they'll do.
I think that's what they'll do as well. Hell, they NEED to do that at this point.
Considering they'll be showing Mario Kart, Animal Crossing and a Mario Platformer for the 3DS tomorrow, Nintendo already has this well wrapped up.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 10:59:44 PM
Why does everyone assume that Sony is taking this HUGE loss with PSV or even a loss at all?
3DS is WAAAY over priced. I think the estimated bill of parts and assembly totaled in at $150 or something like that. It is priced to make almost $100 in profit per unit sold. that is just downright greedy and one of the main reasons why I haven't bought in and have no plans of doing so in the near future.
If they took half of that profit and put it back into the tech, the 3DS could have 512MB RAM, 8GB internal and a beefer battery and GPU. take a little bit more and you could up the screen res and throw in that second analog for free. $2 more gets you that 3D camera setup on the inside too.
I would bet the PSV is near break even on price for both models with a slight loss on the wifi, but slight profit on the 3G. I bet the wifi only model cost something like $260 to Sony and the 3G/wifi version cost around $285. A 3G antennae don't cost that much and certainly not in the bulk Sony will be selling ordering for the 3G model. And I bet that 3G model will have abundant supply at launch while the wifi only version will be harder to find because of the profit to loss ratio.
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Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 11:02:14 PM
Why does everyone assume that Sony is taking this HUGE loss with PSV or even a loss at all?
3DS is WAAAY over priced. I think the estimated bill of parts and assembly totaled in at $150 or something like that. It is priced to make almost $100 in profit per unit sold. that is just downright greedy and one of the main reasons why I haven't bought in and have no plans of doing so in the near future.
If they took half of that profit and put it back into the tech, the 3DS could have 512MB RAM, 8GB internal and a beefer battery and GPU. take a little bit more and you could up the screen res and throw in that second analog for free. $2 more gets you that 3D camera setup on the inside too.
I would bet the PSV is near break even on price for both models with a slight loss on the wifi, but slight profit on the 3G. I bet the wifi only model cost something like $260 to Sony and the 3G/wifi version cost around $285. A 3G antennae don't cost that much and certainly not in the bulk Sony will be selling ordering for the 3G model. And I bet that 3G model will have abundant supply at launch while the wifi only version will be harder to find because of the profit to loss ratio.
We don't know for sure, but Sony's history is selling hardware at a loss to make up later with software and cheaper hardware revisions. Even if that wasn't the case, though, Sony hasn't made the stupid mistake Nintendo made by telling us we were being ripped off. That lets us make assumptions that tend to increase the imagined value of the product. That's really the key right there.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 11:09:24 PM
exactly. Sony didn't tell us they were over charging us, so why assume they are taking a loss. We should be assuming that Nintendo is taking in too much of a profit if Sony can outdo the visuals at the same price with even better tech all around.
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 06, 2011, 11:13:24 PM
Chillax Bill Haders, The market will correct the price of the 3DS.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: lolmonade on June 06, 2011, 11:14:01 PM
They've learned the correct lesson: that there is a price threshold that mainstream consumers are unwilling to pay. The PS1/2 were successful because they took a financial hit to release what was considered high-tech at competitive prices. The PS3 was them assuming the consumer will pay $600 as long as there was perceived value for it. I see the Vita as a realization that they have no leverage for competitiveness if they are outside of reasonable pricing with Nintendo. Sony is fighting for market share with Nintendo at this point, not profits off of each unit.
I guess, but in that case they need an extreme success to be profitable, which I don't see happening against the 3DS (or even the DS). Nintendo's model is still far more profitable.
Ehh. Just a different business model. Sony has always taken the razor-blade approach to system selling: selling the complete shaver for cheap while making no income or losing revenue (system) for the sake of selling as many high-margin replacement razors (games) as possible.
Nintendo has always determined that they want to make a healthy profit on their consoles & handhelds. Neither method is poor if implemented correctly, just different.
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Post by: lolmonade on June 06, 2011, 11:16:51 PM
exactly. Sony didn't tell us they were over charging us, so why assume they are taking a loss. We should be assuming that Nintendo is taking in too much of a profit if Sony can outdo the visuals at the same price with even better tech all around.
There was an article not long ago stating the expected cost for Nintendo to produce the 3DS
The total bill of materials for the 3DS is pegged at $100.71 (USD) in parts, with labor adding another $2.54 making the total cost to build $103.25. That price doesn’t count the marketing dollars spent on the 3DS launch and advertising
Nintendo is definitely making a healthy profit per system, but if they're selling small potatoes, they would be better off moving more units at a lower margin for higher overall sales.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 06, 2011, 11:18:58 PM
The fact is that we don't know how much money goes into a single 3DS nor a PSV that is sitting on a store shelf. I really doubt Nintendo is making $100 profit, raw parts is just one factor in the cost of a product. Not to mention nothing is confirmed in regards to these stats.
I think Nintendo will be fine, the PSP released for $250, so I think Nintendo if they can manage it should drop the price as close to the $150 mark (not referring to parts cost but instead what teh DS launched at) as possible, even $180 would be fine. Then they should leverage the 3D much more heavily, getting off their butts and getting deals with various movie studios for exclusive 3D content. And of course focus on games first and foremost. If they can do all that they should be just fine against Sony's PSV.
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Post by: lolmonade on June 06, 2011, 11:25:00 PM
The fact is that we don't know how much money goes into a single 3DS nor a PSV that is sitting on a store shelf. I really doubt Nintendo is making $100 profit, raw parts is just one factor in the cost of a product.
I think Nintendo will be fine, the PSP released for $250, so I think Nintendo if they can manage it should drop the price as close to the $150 mark (not referring to parts cost but instead what teh DS launched at) as possible, even $180 would be fine. Then they should leverage the 3D much more heavily, getting off their butts and getting deals with various movie studios for exclusive 3D content. And of course focus on games first and foremost. If they can do all that they should be just fine against Sony's PSV.
The article definitely states that is an estimate, so the numbers aren't absolute, but it wouldn't surprise me if parts & labor sum up to that amount. If Nintendo is smart, they most likely keep a tight supply line, and purchase inventory in bulk to net discounted rates with parts manufacturers, so that estimate seems reasonable to me.
It also states that the estimates don't account for advertising, which is a large expense for any company, so of course Nintendo isn't netting a $150 profit per system, but I think it isn't unreasonable to possibly reduce the price to $225. Not immediately, as I believe it would show a discounting of the Nintendo Brand, but I believe a smart move on their part would be to start doing at least game pack-ins or something if some of the new software coming out doesn't boost their anemic sales since the initial launch boost.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Stogi on June 06, 2011, 11:25:24 PM
Lowering the price of the 3DS would be a significant sign of timidness.
When people look at the PSV and 3DS side by side, I think the value of glasses-less 3D will really be the factor that wins out. All Nintendo has to do is convince people why it is a factor at all. 3D movies and 3D games. Beat Sony at their own game.
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Post by: noname2200 on June 06, 2011, 11:42:09 PM
The price point on the Vita is certainly interesting, and lord knows my 3DS hasn't seen a whole lot of playtime, but it's really sad that the only reason I can think of to pick up a Vita is that it's backwards-compatible with the PSP (it is...right?). Nintendo at least made a point of saying "all this stuff is coming out someday!," and tomorrow we should be seeing even more games for the 3DS. I firmly believe that Nintendo gave Sony an opening in the handheld arena this generation: from the looks of it, Sony has declined that invitation.
Maybe things will change come TGS, but right now it just seems like I'd spend another $250 for another paperweight.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 06, 2011, 11:42:49 PM
Lowering the price of the 3DS would be a significant sign of timidness.
When people look at the PSV and 3DS side by side, I think the value of glasses-less 3D will really be the factor that wins out. All Nintendo has to do is convince people why it is a factor at all. 3D movies and 3D games. Beat Sony at their own game.
You have a point as well, you can really hurt the value of a product by signaling to consumers that it is "cheap". That is why the Wii was such a success, it was lower priced then the other two systems, but not to the point of looking bad. Instead it said "Hey we are a great value, our competition doesn't have Motion Control!". So Nintendo has a tight rope to walk here. 3D regardless of what some individual opinions may be, is popular at the moment, and will likely become the standard as time goes on. Ironically PSV is in a similar situation as Nintendo was with Wii when it came to HD TVs! Instead of HD, it is 3D
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Khushrenada on June 07, 2011, 02:00:03 AM
So, I recorded G4's coverage of today's E3 news and just fast forwarded through it and watched some of the press conferences. Plan on doing the same thing tomorrow and will try to avoid any spoilers of Nintendo's Press Event. I want to see the whole unfold for once without having read all the news online first.
But so far, from what I've seen, this is looking like the most boring E3 ever. Funny thing. When you fast-forward through the coverage, you realize how similiar most games look. So far, the only thing I've seen that's peaked my interest slightly is Rayman Origins I guess. The industry needs some new ideas. It's kind of depressing. At this point, I don't really expect too much from anybody. My Nintendo can spark up my enthusiasm again tomorrow (and they probably will) but right now, all I know from them is that they will be announcing more new franchise installments and more new hardware to upgrade to which is just adding to my feeling of malaise to the whole gaming industry.
But like I said, I'm sure when I see the Press Conference and I can actually see what the new console is all about and what the games do look like, I'll probably be changing my tune. However, this first day has so far wiped out my E3 enthusiasm.
Just my 2 cents on the day.
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 07, 2011, 02:26:08 AM
Sequels and rip-offs, as far as the eye can see...
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Post by: KDR_11k on June 07, 2011, 02:57:59 AM
I heard about a backlash against 3D movies on a podcast where the 2D version gets many more viewers than the 3D one. Sucks for the 3DS.
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Post by: SixthAngel on June 07, 2011, 03:42:36 AM
I heard about a backlash against 3D movies on a podcast where the 2D version gets many more viewers than the 3D one. Sucks for the 3DS.
The movie studios are shooting themselves in the foot though. I have to check online to see if the movie is really 3d or done in post production before I lay down the bucks for it. Post production 3d really can make it look worse and it is hurting the image 3d first developed in people's minds with Avatar.
The NGP price is much better than I expected. I think the system's biggest hurdle will be the 3DS momentum. It is out, has units sold and has the majority of games already in the pipeline for it thanks the success of the DS. PSV will have to do something amazing to get the games moved to a higher end and more expensive system especially when the first wave of big title will be for the 3DS.
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 07, 2011, 03:54:04 AM
Fact is, It the Vita had launched for a $100 more, it would have been dead in the water.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 07, 2011, 05:29:20 AM
I heard about a backlash against 3D movies on a podcast where the 2D version gets many more viewers than the 3D one. Sucks for the 3DS.
Not sure there is a backlash, the 2D movies are cheaper to see then the 3D, that is a big contributing factor as well. Like Sixth said the biggest problem is people shoehorning 3D into movies that weren't meant to be 3D.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: oohhboy on June 07, 2011, 07:26:07 AM
The 3DS is over-priced and Nintendo knows it and we know it. There are already strong signs of market correction with weak sales and falling "eBay equivalent" prices especially true here in NZ where we have a double whammy on price with the USD falling like a rock and NZ exporting more milk/honey than ever before. A NZ dollar now buys 0.81 USD and it's worse in Australia where they have gone past having parity with the USD.
Matching prices in all the territories will in itself help massively increase sales outside of the US, but doing the former and dropping the price to near production + shipping costs would cause the 3DS to explode. I might have a 3DS right now had it been priced traditionally at near cost and I absolutely would have a 3DS right now sans games if it had price parity with the US.
I know the games will be coming, I am not worried about that, but Nintendo got greedy. Sony is going to bleed with every unit sold, but their scarfic will hopefully get a fire burning over in Nintendo HQ.
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Post by: Stogi on June 07, 2011, 08:24:00 AM
I think a bundle deal will solve everyone's problem with the 3DS price. But I repeat yet again, Nintendo CANNOT drop the price.
As for 3D and movies, I deliberately only see 3D movies in IMAX and if I know they are made with 3D in mind from the start. Granted, that doesn't allow me to see many movies, but each time I do I enjoy the hell out of it. The last movie I saw was Tron and while the plot sucked, the visuals and music made it worth my money.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: oohhboy on June 07, 2011, 08:40:36 AM
Price parity and a game or two would certainly move me in the right direction, however, I have no interest in any of the 3D remakes and without a fairly open choice or even enough games to choose from, the exercise is moot. Also it's an America only solution. It doesn't fix the overpricing issue everywhere else.
The problem with not lowering the price is that both Nintendo and the consumer are playing chicken and neither are going to blink since both know each others bluff. Especially now that there is a potentially viable alternative on the table, the buyer doesn't have to play. I would like a 3DS, but not until I have my terms or some way I can get a close match like I waited for the DS.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Ceric on June 07, 2011, 09:32:44 AM
I heard about a backlash against 3D movies on a podcast where the 2D version gets many more viewers than the 3D one. Sucks for the 3DS.
Not sure there is a backlash, the 2D movies are cheaper to see then the 3D, that is a big contributing factor as well. Like Sixth said the biggest problem is people shoehorning 3D into movies that weren't meant to be 3D.
Not to mention that if you have younger kids their not keeping those glasses on.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 07, 2011, 09:55:02 AM
I heard about a backlash against 3D movies on a podcast where the 2D version gets many more viewers than the 3D one. Sucks for the 3DS.
That's probably because Movie Theaters are charging an extra $5 just watch a movie in 3D and $10 is already asking too much for the regular version. $15 each person makes taking your friends, family or whoever out to the movies far too expensive especially when you factor in money for $10 popcorn and $6 sodas.
What you thought in your head was gonna be a $40 movie night for you and the fam just turning into a $80 hole in your wallet to go see a sub-par movie with sub par effects in a sub par theater serving sub par food.
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Post by: Ceric on June 07, 2011, 10:10:03 AM
Yeah. Not even taking Netflix into account its cheaper just to wait till the thing is on Blu-Ray and watch it at home. Take the money saved and churn it into the Theater System. Plus you can watch it over if you want or burn it like it may deserve. Once you throw Netflix into account it makes no sense at all.
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Post by: Stogi on June 07, 2011, 10:15:46 AM
Man...that reminds me.
I wish more theaters served food. I watched Rush Hour 3 at a theater in New Hampshire. You could order beer, chicken wings, and smoke to your hearts content. It was sooo good in fact, that I thought the sub-par Rush Hour 3 was one of the funniest movies I've ever seen. I watched it sometime later and realized what a kinda terrible sequel it really was.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Ceric on June 07, 2011, 10:18:02 AM
I wish more theaters served food. I watched Rush Hour 3 at a theater in New Hampshire. You could order beer, chicken wings, and smoke to your hearts content. It was sooo good in fact, that I thought the sub-par Rush Hour 3 was one of the funniest movies I've ever seen. I watched it sometime later and realized what a kinda terrible sequel it really was.
I've been to one of those before. You eat dinner and watch a movie its great. Here you can watch 2 or 3 current movies for $7 per head at the Drive-in if your willing to put up with some things. Though its a deal and you can bring your own food if you want. More theaters should consider the dinner thing.
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Post by: Stogi on June 07, 2011, 10:23:13 AM
Hmm...just thought of something.
Wouldn't it be neat if you went to a place that had private movie rooms, kinda like how Japanese/Korean restuarants have private karaoke rooms? So you walk into a room that has a big wrap around couch and a projector. They take your food, drink and movie order (or you can bring a movie of your own). Then you cool out with whomever you brought.
Best of all, they give you the remote.
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Post by: oohhboy on June 07, 2011, 10:35:11 AM
I would love to have a full on proper meal during a double feature sans the smoking assuming there was a pair of movies you wanted to watch that weren't complete **** for a modest price. Even if it's a drive in it would be pretty sweet too. Too bad it won't happen here, makes too much sense.
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Post by: Adrock on June 07, 2011, 10:39:21 AM
If I was a 3DS owner, I'd be pretty pissed if Nintendo dropped the price in less than a year. Nintendo doesn't absolutely need to drop the price (though it certainly would have helped immensely) because they have more and better games coming out. It should have launched at $200 at the most. Against PSV, Nintendo is fine. Sony isn't Nintendo's worst enemy here. Nintendo is. They priced the hardware above what most people found reasonable. Had they launched the hardware for less, they would have sold more and to paraphrase (I believe) Hiroshi Yamauchi: The hardware is just the box people buy to play the games. Nintendo got greedy. Gaining profits on hardware is great, but Nintendo's bread and butter is software and in a way, Nintendo just fucked over their 3rd party partners. Good job again with that, Nintendo.
Still the biggest problem with both 3DS and PSV is that they currently have nothing in the works that can't be done on home consoles. This is especially troubling for Nintendo since Cafe supposedly mimics the 3DS experience minus 3D. In a way, 3DS is the anti-DS. It's mostly offering home console games at a home console price aimed at a home console audience. What the hell, Nintendo? What made DS such a hit was that they aimed lower and wider. Most of the games were aimed at younger gamers whose parents bought them hardware or for people who could afford the hardware but didn't play home console games, both at a price that people in general didn't mind paying. If Nintendo wanted to reach the home console audience, they could have done so without increasing the price and swaying away from the DS's main audience.
The price for PSV is attractive, but still too much. It offers an experience too similar to PS3. If given the choice between PS3 and PSV, most people will pick the PS3. If someone already has PS3, most of those people will pick nothing. Sony released a full fledged God of War on PSP and it changed nothing. It begs to reasons that Uncharted, Resistance, and Mod Racers will perform in much the same way. The core gamers who buy console and handheld are the hardest of the hardcore. They are in fact the minority, especially in the handheld market. Honestly, both Nintendo and Sony failed on this front. Nintendo is just in a better position because they make better games and they at least have the option to drop the price. It's really not about power. 3DS games still look amazing and PSV doesn't change that.
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Post by: MaryJane on June 07, 2011, 10:48:03 AM
Wouldn't it be neat if you went to a place that had private movie rooms, kinda like how Japanese/Korean restuarants have private karaoke rooms? So you walk into a room that has a big wrap around couch and a projector. They take your food, drink and movie order (or you can bring a movie of your own). Then you cool out with whomever you brought.
Best of all, they give you the remote.
Instead of all that, they're just going to stream movies to TVs. Movie theaters are about to go the way of the dino... PSP Go. :)
Speaking of which, the PSV is interesting, especially at $250.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 07, 2011, 11:14:22 AM
In my opinion $250 is too much for a handheld, no matter who makes it. Its not a big deal for adults who have a job, but the majority of the handheld gaming market is kids and has always been kids, and $250 puts it out of the reach for most of them. The reason Nintendo has always dominated the handheld market is because their handhelds were the most affordable compared to the competition. Nintendo's handhelds have always been inferior in power, but cheaper in price. This time around Nintendo is inferior in power and equal in price so this is not a good thing.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Mop it up on June 07, 2011, 12:01:17 PM
I know how you feel Khushrenada, I expressed similar thoughts after last year's show. I didn't expect this one to be much different.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Ceric on June 07, 2011, 01:49:25 PM
I know how you feel Khushrenada, I expressed similar thoughts after last year's show. I didn't expect this one to be much different.
Where is Khush?
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Stogi on June 07, 2011, 02:47:25 PM
LOL Lara Croft is playing on the TV outside this room and BnM, you're right. At a few points it did sound like she was moaning in a painfully sexual way hahaha
And she does sound chatty, but not in a funny Nathan Drake type of way.
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Post by: Mop it up on June 07, 2011, 03:39:12 PM
I didn't see the last page when I responded, so it was later than I thought.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: Khushrenada on June 14, 2011, 01:41:46 AM
Looks like I checked back on this thread just in time. I guess I just knew that somehow somewhere on this forum someone must be talking about me.
Well, as I figured, I did enjoy day 2 slightly more but it wasn't so much because of the software. But I did really like what Nintendo showed with the WiiU. As great as the controller might be, what I found most interesting is that Nintendo made it quite close to a PS or Xbox controller in that they have two thumb pads and L and R buttons on the back. As well, by now displaying HD graphics, it should hopefully make things a lot easier for third parties to port stuff over since they were too lazy to do so before. If anything, I think it makes it even harder for third parties to come up with excuses to not port their stuff over to Nintendo now.
I kid you not. When I was done watching the press conference, I thought to myself, this has got be close to the console Ian Sane has wanted Nintendo to make for over a decade. It's got HD and the power of the competitors, it's got a controller that has some features similiar to Nintendo's competitors, third parties seem to recognize this as evidenced by the third party video shown, yet at the same time, it has some interesting new possibilities with it and you now Nintendo is going to find some great ways to utilize it. He should finally get his all-in-one console. No longer missing out on big third party games and still getting the good first party games.
Of course, it remains to be seen whether that third party support will actually come this time or not but after what Nintendo did with the Wii, I think Nintendo has made it hard for third party companies to risk not supporting them again. And again, Nintendo has made it easier a bit more for them to port over their games.
As far as the software, not to much. WiiU software was non-existant. The only Wii game shown was Zelda. While the 3DS had a fine software line-up, there wasn't any major concept that made me very intrigued. Mario Kart, Paper Mario, Super Mario, Luigi's Mansion. We got a bunch of Mushroom Kingdom games. While I am still interested in Star Fox and Ocarina of Time, the fact that I've played them before dampens my enthusiasm a bit. It's hard to be interested in Animal Crossing again and I'm not a Kid Icarus fan. But at least there will be a double dose of Kirby.
The final thing I'll comment on so as to keep this post from becoming even longer is that the press conference really seemed to kill off the Wii. They didn't show much for it but that's because there really isn't much to show for it. Wii has never had the best third party support but with the WiiU looking way more appealing for third party developers, I don't see them wanting to spend much time on Wii games for one year. Reggie's message was that Wii has an 86 million install base. But that large base has never seemed to help get many third parties on board before and I don't see how it will appeal to them now. It's looking like the last year of the Gamecube all over again. I think that's the real reason Nintendo's stock dropped. For it's largest current systems, Wii and DS, it's got very little software for the year and the big focus is on the 3DS which is just starting to grow its base so software sales will be lower at first because the base is just starting to grow. And you know that development in the company is going to be turning over to the Wii U as well now in order to support it through its first year when it hits in 2012. With this shift in focus, I think Nintendo will have a slower year.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: ymeegod on June 15, 2011, 05:12:13 AM
"It's got HD and the power of the competitors"
It's a bit to late though for last generation and it's a bit to early for next generation. At best someone believes the WII U to be 50% more powerful then PS3 but that's not an huge gap. Since nobody knows what MS and Sony's going release but if anything from the past they don't innovate they just bring more power. Which means the WII U would be hardware king for 2 years but as soon as the others release it's back to "underpowered" again. Of course that's just going by what MS and Sony's done in the past but I can't see them releasing a console that's only %50 more powerful.
If I had to guess I would say by 2014 MS and Sony will be aiming at 3 to 4 times the power of the Xbox 360 and PS3.
Title: Re: E3 2011 Day 1: Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Sony Press Conferences
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 15, 2011, 10:45:47 AM
MS is rumored to have an AMD Fusion chip (Krishna based) ready for production sometime next year. These rumors got mistaken for a possible Nintendo console, but now we know better.
It was originally planned for production at the end of the year, but an AMD worker made a comment on NeoGAF about having their schedule moved up to earlier in the year (I'm guessing that they were being rushed by MS, based on rumors of Nintendo having a new console). MS will launch no later than 2013 as they aren't gonna sit on a finished chip for 2 whole years. I wouldn't be surprised to see them push for launch @ end of 2012 though.
I have no idea what Sony is up to, but it was rumored that they scrapped whatever they had planned sometime last year and started over. So a 2014 launch is more likely from them, but I expect end of 2013 at the earliest.
