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Title: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on June 30, 2009, 03:18:00 PM
The publisher sees a viable mature market on Wii.
 http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/newsArt.cfm?artid=18964

 Sega recently revealed to GamesIndustry.biz that their strategy of targeting the mature market should be successful over the long-term. While House of the Dead: Overkill didn’t sell millions of copies, it proved profitable for the company according to Gary Dunn of Sega Europe.    


"Whilst it had a rather sharp tail at full price, they do bubble away at a lower price point for a long time. You get your money back and a bit on full price, but over the years, if we do the final product return on investment, profits come from the lower price point."    


While MadWorld wasn't a commercial success for Sega, Dunn stated that they were happy to take the risk, and that Sega has the budget and resources to invest in publishing and/or developing more mature titles for Wii in the future. The company is currently looking for a new game in which to invest.

Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 30, 2009, 10:29:09 PM
HoTD:O2 - Back for Seconds!!
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: broodwars on June 30, 2009, 10:31:57 PM
Well, SEGA's found something that doesn't make their fans hate them, so you can't blame them for deciding to keep trying to throw unique games at the Wii in the hopes that one of them will do well.  I didn't care much more Madworld and found HotD: O to be low on replay value, but the more gamer's games on the Wii, the better.  It's kind of ironic that SEGA has turned out to be the savior of Nintendo's most profitable system.
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 30, 2009, 10:33:34 PM
HOTD: O being profitable is pretty good news for lower selling Wii titles!
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: AV on June 30, 2009, 10:39:04 PM
I bought Madworld and I was very interested in OVERKILL, the problem is price and replay value. I wouldn't hesitate to buy OVERKILL for $20 even $30 but $50 is asking allot.

Madworld is a fun game and I enjoyed it, but it had zero replay value after I beat it. I got that for $30 at gamestop months after release because $50 for a 5 hour game is just not excusable.   

Now Conduit has a great online mode and I'll replay that for a while, I won't trade that in.

I have NO problem buying Mature rated games for Wii but I want to get the most bang out of my buck. I don't think my thoughts are outside the norm either.
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on June 30, 2009, 10:49:09 PM
HotD:O has a good amount replay value heck all light gun games do.
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: NWR_pap64 on June 30, 2009, 10:54:34 PM
HotD:O has a good amount replay value heck all light gun games do.

In my case, I just love revisiting old school light gun games because they are short and sweet and provide enough entertainment to last an evening.

Its awesome.
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: Mop it up on June 30, 2009, 10:58:13 PM
With all the money Sega has gotten from Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games (and the money they'll get from the sequel) I'm sure they can risk taking plenty of chances on games like these.
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: Djunknown on June 30, 2009, 11:05:33 PM
So does this mean they'll publish HVS other two titles then?
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 30, 2009, 11:46:21 PM
Not sure if anyone wants to take a chance on Gladiator, but I'm sure SEGA is all over The Grinder, especially if The Conduit even does ok sales.
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: Stratos on June 30, 2009, 11:48:38 PM
So does this mean they'll publish HVS other two titles then?

I was just going to ask that.
Me thinks yes.

If not the gladiator one, then The Grinder for sure because it will be to Conduit what Parfet Dark was to Goldeneye I predict. And if they are happy with Conduit sales then they will most certainly want to get in on the action for a spiritual sequel of sorts.

Also, Winter could be a prime candidate. N-Space is working on a Winter 2.0 demo that is supposed to be even nicer than the first. Since Sega seems so open minded this is a possibility I hope for.
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: kraken613 on June 30, 2009, 11:51:44 PM
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I agree with you. I already know I won't be getting Gladiator. I doubt it will have an easy time getting a publisher. Its niche like Madworld.

 I will get Grinder though, I know that just from playing The Conduit online. Though, do you think HVS will go for the "T" again for it? It looks more like a "M" game just from the trailer. If its "M" it won't get anywhere the sales from what we have seen so far.

With all the money Sega has gotten from Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games (and the money they'll get from the sequel) I'm sure they can risk taking plenty of chances on games like these.

Thats a great point. Sega is a publisher who is putting out the casual game for $$$ then putting that $$$ back into the Wii where most other publishers are just putting that $$$ into the 360 and PS3.

I can't believe it but, GO SEGA! Then they actually advertised The Conduit it was all over websites and magazines and even TV ads! Go Sega!
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on June 30, 2009, 11:52:59 PM
I was watching Aaron's direct feed footage of The Grinder yesterday (it's on our Youtube channel, look for it!) and easily noticed several improvements over The Conduit. Sega would be sharp to bid for that one, especially if it has a strong single-player campaign in addition to the local and online multiplayer.
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: Stratos on June 30, 2009, 11:58:21 PM
I was watching Aaron's direct feed footage of The Grinder yesterday (it's on our Youtube channel, look for it!) and easily noticed several improvements over The Conduit. Sega would be sharp to bid for that one, especially if it has a strong single-player campaign in addition to the local and online multiplayer.

A better single player and an actually local MP would be killer. I also hope they are able to expand and improve the online experience.
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 01, 2009, 12:01:28 AM
they've got more than 12 months to figure it out, so I'm sure they will have everything we've been asking for and everything they couldn't fit into The Conduit too.
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: kraken613 on July 01, 2009, 12:12:14 AM
I was watching Aaron's direct feed footage of The Grinder yesterday (it's on our Youtube channel, look for it!) and easily noticed several improvements over The Conduit. Sega would be sharp to bid for that one, especially if it has a strong single-player campaign in addition to the local and online multiplayer.

Just watched that direct feed and subscribed to the NWR channel. That game i already an "M" game I believe. I will be getting though!
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 01, 2009, 12:59:10 AM
Yeah I think Sega will pick up Grinder, but I see Gladiator being a tough sell unless it has a big hook (oh you know, like Motion Plus only!). Also after finishing Conduit's single player I can't wait to see what the sequel will be like. HVS seems to be eager to learn, regardless of some flaws Conduit has I see tremendous potential in them (I see the same thing in the development studio who made SH5 and SH:O with Silent Hill: Homecoming). HVS has the potential of skyrocking in name recognition.
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: kraken613 on July 01, 2009, 01:15:23 AM
I don't think we will have everyone calling The Grinder generic. What game do you get so many demented creatures in one? lol Zombies, Warewolfs, Vampires, and more!! lol It does look awesome!
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 01, 2009, 01:24:09 AM
Castlevania
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: kraken613 on July 01, 2009, 01:24:56 AM
Thats a FPS.....
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 01, 2009, 01:26:18 AM
No, it's a platformer.
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: broodwars on July 01, 2009, 01:48:11 AM
I don't think we will have everyone calling The Grinder generic. What game do you get so many demented creatures in one? lol Zombies, Warewolfs, Vampires, and more!! lol It does look awesome!

People won't call the Grinder generic.  They'll call it a blatant rip-off of Left for Dead for an audience that otherwise won't have played that game.
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: kraken613 on July 01, 2009, 02:16:54 AM
No, it's a platformer.

No, I meant something that is an FPS not that Castlevania is one.... Like find me something that is like that that is an FPS... Its late I make no sense...
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: Stratos on July 01, 2009, 02:50:02 AM
I don't think we will have everyone calling The Grinder generic. What game do you get so many demented creatures in one? lol Zombies, Warewolfs, Vampires, and more!! lol It does look awesome!

People won't call the Grinder generic.  They'll call it a blatant rip-off of Left for Dead for an audience that otherwise won't have played that game.

though to it's credit. It does have a distinctly different flavor from L4D even if it blatantly rips gameplay mechanics and features. It also sounds like it will be a bit more story driven than L4D which was more like a set of different survival stories. Plus there wasn't all that much story in L4D. It was get from point A to point B and pray everyone survives.
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: ThePerm on July 01, 2009, 04:44:04 AM
whats that game sk was working on with sega?
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on July 01, 2009, 09:53:04 AM
whats that game sk was working on with sega?

I assume you mean Silicon Knights, if so they are working on The Crucible with Sega.
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: NWR_Neal on July 01, 2009, 12:14:53 PM
whats that game sk was working on with sega?

I assume you mean Silicon Knights, if so they are working on The Crucible with Sega.

Wait. Based off of the play?
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: Stratos on July 01, 2009, 03:36:07 PM
IGN has been throwing around a rumor that SK is working on a new Psychological Thriller for Nintendo. There is a game entry for it and everything.
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 01, 2009, 03:53:13 PM
Eternal Darkness 2
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: Stratos on July 01, 2009, 03:58:17 PM
Very likely. But they could also just be making a similar game with a brand new setting and theme.

I'm hoping for Eternal Darkness 2. Or even a "Book of Lost Chapters" that tells other stories in a behind the scenes look from other perspectives.
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Post by: Dirk Temporo on July 01, 2009, 04:02:51 PM
The Grinder for sure because it will be to Conduit what Parfet Dark was to Goldeneye I predict.

Apart from them being nothing alike. As far as we know, the Grinder won't have any multiplayer apart from co-op.
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: Stratos on July 01, 2009, 04:04:24 PM
The Grinder for sure because it will be to Conduit what Parfet Dark was to Goldeneye I predict.

Apart from them being nothing alike. As far as we know, the Grinder won't have any multiplayer apart from co-op.

I thought they said it would have deathmatch. Did I just assume that?

Imagine a deathmatch mode where random monsters will pop up and attack you. Or a bounty hunter mode where a certain monster is the target and everyone is racing to get the kill.
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: Peachylala on July 01, 2009, 08:57:01 PM
IGN has been throwing around a rumor that SK is working on a new Psychological Thriller for Nintendo. There is a game entry for it and everything.
So Matt switched from Kid Icarus to Eternal Darkness now?

He just won't quit, that clown.
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: Stratos on July 01, 2009, 09:21:01 PM
Honestly, I think the Kid Icarus thing was legit. They don't make stuff up. They're not that crazy.
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 01, 2009, 11:10:37 PM
their Kid Icarus thing was overexaggerated and blown out of proportion.
I thought it was accepted that they were talking about the Factor 5 pitch to Nintendo that never even started development of any kind. Never got past the concept art that was leaked.
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: Stratos on July 02, 2009, 12:44:51 AM
their Kid Icarus thing was overexaggerated and blown out of proportion.
I thought it was accepted that they were talking about the Factor 5 pitch to Nintendo that never even started development of any kind. Never got past the concept art that was leaked.

This.

At best they had a proof of concept demo running.
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 02, 2009, 01:52:46 AM
their Kid Icarus thing was overexaggerated and blown out of proportion.
I thought it was accepted that they were talking about the Factor 5 pitch to Nintendo that never even started development of any kind. Never got past the concept art that was leaked.

Well Matt did say that it was leaked to them and it could very well have been an early in development title (or like you said, a pitch) that did exist (I'm sorry but that Man Icarus screams Factor 5). Remember Winter was put together in a couple of weeks, so it isn't outrageous Factor 5 had something. You can say a lot about Matt but you have to remember he has been in the business for a VERY long time and has made connections throughout that period. I'd rather him state potential titles he heard about then not talk about them all, and if you know anything about the business projects die all the time even if you may have an over anxious source spouting some secrets to people like Matt.

 SK working on a game for Wii is quite plausible considering Too Human tanked, and I hope, if it is in development that Nintendo is guiding them. SK is a talented company they just need guidance which they didn't get with Too Human (Which I will admit isn't as bad as people make it out to be but still shows they need a guiding hand). If Conduit proves to be a success I expect to see many more surprises (finally) from 3rd parties. The funny thing is that HVS now has the advantage!

Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 02, 2009, 02:09:31 AM
I remember Cryak saying that he wanted to do a sequel to ED, but that project would have to wait.
We know he planned on finishing Too Human, which looks like a case of boiling the stew for far too long, and that he had another project on the back burner(some deal with Sega), but I do remember him saying something about a sequel to ED.
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 02, 2009, 02:19:56 AM
I don't think we will have everyone calling The Grinder generic. What game do you get so many demented creatures in one? lol Zombies, Warewolfs, Vampires, and more!! lol It does look awesome!

People won't call the Grinder generic.  They'll call it a blatant rip-off of Left for Dead for an audience that otherwise won't have played that game.

I think that argument would be funny considering Valve is already making a sequel for L4D that comes out next year.
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 02, 2009, 02:20:47 AM
I remember Cryak saying that he wanted to do a sequel to ED, but that project would have to wait.
We know he planned on finishing Too Human, which looks like a case of boiling the stew for far too long, and that he had another project on the back burner(some deal with Sega), but I do remember him saying something about a sequel to ED.

I hope so, the Wiimote opens up so many new ways to design a sequel.
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: Stratos on July 02, 2009, 02:30:51 AM
BnM, was cryak a direct reference to his stunt on NeoGaf or his speech/lecture he game on 1Up Yours defending the game before it came out?

People won't call the Grinder generic.  They'll call it a blatant rip-off of Left for Dead for an audience that otherwise won't have played that game.

I think that argument would be funny considering Valve is already making a sequel for L4D that comes out next year.

I was rather hostile to L4D2 until a good friend talked it up to me. But I still feel it is too soon for a direct sequel.

I remember Cryak saying that he wanted to do a sequel to ED, but that project would have to wait.
We know he planned on finishing Too Human, which looks like a case of boiling the stew for far too long, and that he had another project on the back burner(some deal with Sega), but I do remember him saying something about a sequel to ED.

I hope so, the Wiimote opens up so many new ways to design a sequel.

Imagine all of the potential Wiimote crazy effects they could do. Voices on the little speaker, turning your IR cursor to some random and rather spooky object and claiming the WiiZapper needs to be calibrated or your Balanceboard ran out of batteries. And best of all: Think of the potential with the VITALITY SENSOR! This game will be great, in my mind :)

***This...isn't...really...HAPPENING!***
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 02, 2009, 02:38:51 AM
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BnM, was cryak a direct reference to his stunt on NeoGaf or his speech/lecture he game on 1Up Yours defending the game before it came out?

Oh his infamous NeoGaf battle, I will say I ended up liking him MORE after that! Classic stuff. I still feel some reviewers let their feelings about his defense of the game skew their scores. Too Human was a slightly above average game with flaws IMO
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Post by: Stratos on July 02, 2009, 02:41:25 AM
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BnM, was cryak a direct reference to his stunt on NeoGaf or his speech/lecture he game on 1Up Yours defending the game before it came out?

Oh his infamous NeoGaf battle, I will say I ended up liking him MORE after that! Classic stuff. I still feel some reviewers let their feelings about his defense of the game skew their scores. Too Human was a slightly above average game with flaws IMO

I loved his talk on the 1Up Yours show. I felt that there was some great stuff to be had there that was a bit beyond gaming. A nice change of pace, actually.
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: broodwars on July 02, 2009, 03:14:24 AM
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BnM, was cryak a direct reference to his stunt on NeoGaf or his speech/lecture he game on 1Up Yours defending the game before it came out?

Oh his infamous NeoGaf battle, I will say I ended up liking him MORE after that! Classic stuff. I still feel some reviewers let their feelings about his defense of the game skew their scores. Too Human was a slightly above average game with flaws IMO

Meh, I have some serious issues with Dennis Dyack.  It's funny how it always seems that he only complains about things in the industry being a major problem when people use them to criticize one of his games.  Interesting how people previewing games wasn't an issue till Too Human got skewered at E3 a few years ago.  Or how message board posting wasn't an issue till people were mocking Too Human.  And then when the game comes out it's a poor-to-mediocre work with serious core gameplay issues.  What a shock.  I'm willing to bet that if that game was praised at E3 and people were praising it on NeoGaf, you wouldn't have heard a peep from him.
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 02, 2009, 03:48:14 AM
Cryak is a direct reference to him crying, whining and complaining about everyone talking about and criticizing his games. No one specific instance, but everything, like Broodwars has said above me.
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: KDR_11k on July 02, 2009, 05:50:24 AM
All I can say is I enjoyed the ZP review of Too Human, if nothing else.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 02, 2009, 01:14:42 PM
::rerails thread::
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 02, 2009, 01:31:49 PM
Too Human is beneath No More Heroes.  hah.
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: KDR_11k on July 02, 2009, 01:51:04 PM
It would be ironic if Nintendo's revival would also make Sega grow huge again...
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 02, 2009, 01:57:10 PM
I'd say it's already happening.
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 02, 2009, 03:11:41 PM
I'm hoping for Eternal Darkness 2. Or even a "Book of Lost Chapters" that tells other stories in a behind the scenes look from other perspectives.

The thought of ED2 is enough to make me cream several pairs of pants.

The ED universe was just so amazing...

The odd part is that I remember them saying that ED took place in the Too Human universe or something, but TH was focused far more on Norse mythology and whatnot. Hardly any room for Mantorok and the other ancients in that plotline...
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: Peachylala on July 02, 2009, 10:46:38 PM
They might be too busy remaking MGS2.  :P
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: Stratos on July 03, 2009, 12:40:35 AM
They might be too busy remaking MGS2.  :P

Is it sad I would buy that if it came to Wii?
I loved Twin Snakes dearly and have yet to grab the PS2 MGS collection.
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 03, 2009, 01:14:18 AM
They might be too busy remaking MGS2.  :P

Is it sad I would buy that if it came to Wii?
I loved Twin Snakes dearly and have yet to grab the PS2 MGS collection.

How about a MGS2, Eternal Darkness crossover? ::head explodes::
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: broodwars on July 03, 2009, 01:24:49 AM
They might be too busy remaking MGS2.  :P

Is it sad I would buy that if it came to Wii?
I loved Twin Snakes dearly and have yet to grab the PS2 MGS collection.

How about a MGS2, Eternal Darkness crossover? ::head explodes::

I'd buy that just to see Snake's head get blown up by Xelloloth.
Title: Re: Sega Planning More Mature Wii Titles
Post by: Stratos on July 03, 2009, 01:44:02 AM
They might be too busy remaking MGS2.  :P

Is it sad I would buy that if it came to Wii?
I loved Twin Snakes dearly and have yet to grab the PS2 MGS collection.

How about a MGS2, Eternal Darkness crossover? ::head explodes::

I'd buy that just to see Snake's head get blown up by Xelloloth.

Snake? Snake? SNAAAAAAKE!!!!!!!!
*******
OTACON: Snake, it's Otacon, this isn't really happening. Try changing the controller port to number 4.
*******
SNAKE: But, it's a wireless controller, there are no ports!