I don't have much info, but obviously it's going to take awhile. I'm sure that all you others can find more info and better info than me. I just thought I would put this out there. Does anyone know much about these?
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Post by: Maverick on May 29, 2008, 05:34:38 PM
Keep your spam in the Funhouse.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 29, 2008, 05:42:09 PM
There is no Wii2.
The future of gaming is part of the console already being built into TVs, and the rest of the console will be contained in whatever control device you wield.
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Post by: Mysticspike on May 29, 2008, 05:49:35 PM
Well I don't know if any of it is real or not. I just thought I would put it out there. I'm not joking, really, I save that for the funhouse. Believe it or not, I have a serious side.
Anyways, at least back yourself up with facts before saying they aren't happening.
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Post by: animecyberrat on May 29, 2008, 05:51:29 PM
So you posted a picture of what the Wii looked like BEFORE it came out.
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Post by: Mysticspike on May 29, 2008, 05:59:33 PM
... Oh Well I suck at finding information
Why don't you try to find a picture, because I couldn't.
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 29, 2008, 06:02:28 PM
I predict the Wii 2 controller will be more ergonomic. most tv remotes are more streamlined than a wiimote.
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Post by: Mysticspike on May 29, 2008, 06:09:03 PM
Thanks for contributing.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 29, 2008, 06:23:38 PM
I predict the Wii 2 controller will be more ergonomic. most tv remotes are more streamlined than a wiimote.
From what era
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Post by: DAaaMan64 on May 29, 2008, 06:39:23 PM
Alright the Wii 2 will need to be an expansion of the first. A broader scope, if you will. In other words something more broad than the use of the word, We. It will also need to be a derogatory term for a portion of the human genitalia. Lastly, we don't want it to end in an "s", so using the pluralizing theorem developed in another funhaus thread, and adding another "i" to further reference it's predecessor, I have come up the Cuntrii as the name for the Wii 2.
Come on, country could definitely qualify as broader scope than the word we.
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Post by: Maverick on May 29, 2008, 07:19:32 PM
Anyways, at least back yourself up with facts before saying they aren't happening.
If you're talking to me, of course they're happening, I never said that.(Sorry, I wasn't sure if this sentence was directed at me or at Pro) You just posted pictures of one, a slightly larger looking black Wii that says "Revolution" on it (Or is it a pre-release concept for the Wii?.), a completely ridiculous joke contraption passing as the "Xbox 720", and a silver PlayStation 3 with the 3 rubbed out and replaced with a 4.
I just don't understand the point of this thread. Is it legitimate brainstorming/discussion on the possibilities of the next generation of home consoles, is it you being confused and thinking that photoshopped images are actually leaked photos of the new consoles, or is it just you posting silly pictures and saying "LOL Xbox 720"?
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Post by: blackfootsteps on May 29, 2008, 08:02:29 PM
Yeah like every single one of my friends who considered a "Revolution" lost interested when it changed colors/names.
I'm sorry that your friends' gameplay habits are dictated by the label or the colour of the console.
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Post by: animecyberrat on May 29, 2008, 10:22:20 PM
there is a lot more to it than that, but that was one of the cited reasons. You have to remember my friends have self esteem issues big time. But there are other things you need to know about them, and me, that you won't be getting here.
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Post by: blackfootsteps on May 29, 2008, 10:30:22 PM
there is a lot more to it than that, but that was one of the cited reasons. You have to remember my friends have self esteem issues big time. But there are other things you need to know about them, and me, that you won't be getting here.
Confessions Thread PtIII?
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Post by: animecyberrat on May 29, 2008, 10:31:35 PM
NO.
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Post by: Maverick on May 29, 2008, 10:31:48 PM
Being friends with The Rat causes self esteem issues? Who'da thunkit.
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Post by: animecyberrat on May 29, 2008, 10:35:15 PM
:rolleyes:
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 29, 2008, 10:44:28 PM
To get this back off the topic of Rat, I question whether we will see an xbox 3. I have a feeling it will polymorph into a DVR/Web TV box with a Games for Windows logo.
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Post by: animecyberrat on May 29, 2008, 11:00:08 PM
They would only do that if EA could license it and make one them selves.
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Post by: DAaaMan64 on May 30, 2008, 01:24:27 AM
Nah I don't think Microsoft would want them to associate Xbox with Windows, I mean Windows gets a real bad rap for being unreliable and crashing becoming regular business..... Oh wait nevermind, they are perfect for each other.
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Post by: animecyberrat on May 30, 2008, 04:58:02 PM
Funny how all the discussion is focused on Wii and 360 succesors, as if everyone assumes there won't be a Ps4 :D
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Post by: nickmitch on May 30, 2008, 07:23:52 PM
I think it's more that we know what to expect out of Sony while MS and Nintendo are wildcards, especially Nintendo.
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Post by: animecyberrat on May 30, 2008, 07:37:23 PM
You cannot ruin this for me ok.
I agree though, with Nintendo it is like something new every generation, with Sony it is always better graphics, latest optical media, nothing new.
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on June 01, 2008, 01:50:13 AM
Odd I thought Microsoft this gen is the same old same old.
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Post by: animecyberrat on June 01, 2008, 01:53:26 AM
no, no, now they are in HD
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on June 01, 2008, 02:01:33 AM
Nope there was some Xbox1 games that attempted to do 720p IIRC.
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Post by: animecyberrat on June 01, 2008, 02:08:39 AM
I know, but now it is the standard.
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Post by: Kairon on June 01, 2008, 02:23:58 AM
Dreamcast 2. 2009. BELIEVE.
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Post by: animecyberrat on June 01, 2008, 02:49:01 AM
2012, we should know, we have it marked on our calenders.
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on June 01, 2008, 04:01:52 AM
I agree though, with Nintendo it is like something new every generation, with Sony it is always better graphics, latest optical media, nothing new.
Nothing new? It's a good way of popularizing a new media format. Easy comparison is built in blu-ray drive vs the extranal HD-DVD drive now look how that came out even when 360 has an edge in install base. This gen Sony has made some nice things in the hardware front (except the 40GB model where PS2 BC was cut)
- User swappable SATA HD - Allowing external mods in games (unreal 3) - Allowing Linux OS (I know it was available on PS2 but you had to buy a dedicated kit) - Good Backwards compatibility upscaling - Allowing +95% USB headsets and blue tooth headset devices
The only innovation MS came up in this gen is over priced accessories and the worst hardware(durability/reliability wise)
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Post by: Kairon on June 01, 2008, 04:21:54 AM
Those sound like really good improvements...for a computer.
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on June 01, 2008, 04:38:20 AM
Well yeah but a console can be classified as a PC anyways. But I think Sony is giving the end user a nice convenience since you can do all of those things without breaking the warranty and a lot of industry standard components are compatible with PS3 which is something you don't hear from the 360 camp.
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Post by: Kairon on June 01, 2008, 04:57:06 AM
Yeah, all I need to do is take one look at the $100 XBox360 HDD, or their $100 (or is it $80?) wireless internet receiver... PAH.
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Post by: Plugabugz on June 01, 2008, 09:32:45 AM
Well yeah but a console can be classified as a PC anyways. But I think Sony is giving the end user a nice convenience since you can do all of those things without breaking the warranty and a lot of industry standard components are compatible with PS3 which is something you don't hear from the 360 camp.
So in this analogy the Wii is an Eee Laptop that everyone is clamouring for? (AND I GOTS THEM BOTH!)
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on June 01, 2008, 12:02:39 PM
Well yeah but a console can be classified as a PC anyways. But I think Sony is giving the end user a nice convenience since you can do all of those things without breaking the warranty and a lot of industry standard components are compatible with PS3 which is something you don't hear from the 360 camp.
So in this analogy the Wii is an Eee Laptop that everyone is clamouring for? (AND I GOTS THEM BOTH!)
Not really I would say sort of like a EEE PC desktop edition is more like it. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/CONFUZZLED_MUNKIE/asus-eeepc-desktop.jpg)
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Post by: Maverick on June 01, 2008, 02:12:06 PM
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Post by: EasyCure on June 01, 2008, 06:17:13 PM
he will be missed
his /cry won't be just like his old sig
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Post by: Mysticspike on June 01, 2008, 06:52:29 PM
OK so I did a little reaserch, and don't blame me if this information is not accurate, but I read on a website that the Revolution may be next for Nintendo, and that the Wii was a scaled-down version of the Revolution and that Nintendo put it out as a test to see if the Revolution would be a success. Anyways, thanks for making me feel dumb. These aren't my predictions, they are other people's predictions of what the next consoles will be. I have no idea if any of it is real or fake, I just thought it was interesting to see what people think will be the next generation, and so I posted it here.
But anyways, if anyone else has information, I want to know it. I posted here so that I could here what everyone thinks is going to happen, not so that everyone could trash talk my post.
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Post by: DAaaMan64 on June 01, 2008, 06:58:35 PM
Mysticspike I'd give up researching till we hear something official. That BS about the Wii just being a pre-amble for the actual Revolution is a load of fanboi-armpit-gasm
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Post by: Mysticspike on June 01, 2008, 07:07:18 PM
This is what I mean! Everything I say...
Nevermind
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Post by: Ceric on June 01, 2008, 07:10:26 PM
Anyways, the biggest problem in the PS3 is there having a hard time on timely delivery. I thought LBP was going to be coming out soon, its looked almost done forever now... But its not due till October. Same with Home but its not due till Next Year...
Now on Topic. I think the XBox will stay the XBox with an emphasis on gaming even though it will become a full set top solution.
Same with the PS4 but Sony will emphasize it more.
Also we've already shown that Nintendo traditionally innovates then upgrades. Be prepared for Super Wii.
Also I think all are going to stay with Bluetooth or the Bluetooth equivalent and I be surprised if some developer don't take advantage of that this generation.
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Post by: DAaaMan64 on June 01, 2008, 07:11:42 PM
oh dude, I know your just relaying messages from your research. But I'd say it's pretty hopeless to find out anything at this point.
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Post by: Kairon on June 01, 2008, 07:29:24 PM
Hopefully the next Wii includes 8-player support standard.
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Post by: DAaaMan64 on June 01, 2008, 07:34:22 PM
Impossible if we continue using bluetooth. Although, you may have been being sarcastic.
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Post by: EasyCure on June 01, 2008, 08:09:39 PM
Impossible if we continue using bluetooth. Although, you may have been being sarcastic.
Quote
A master Bluetooth device can communicate with up to seven devices.
From Bluetooth Wikipedia Entry So you could get close. I'm actually surprised you can't have more.
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on June 02, 2008, 12:23:57 AM
Well on PS3 controller 6 and 7 IIRC are defaulted to bluetooth headset and blue tooth blu-ray remote. But its a bottleneck of the tech that is actually fine.
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Post by: user0x7D on June 02, 2008, 01:27:35 AM
Trying to figure out what Nintendo is up to at this point in the game would be like trying to answer the great and evil "am I pretty?" question, which I was asked this evening and when I said yes she still got mad at me! Nintendo does have a habit of innovate then refine, as was already stated. But how are they going to refine the Wii controller? True 1-to-1 motion control? More added motion sensors? Rip off the EyeToy? (Nintendo more than deserves to be able to ape some of Sony's or MS' ideas because honestly, they'd be able to do so much more with it anyway.) There's a number of different directions they could go. They're not going to be just adding more buttons or another stick to their next controller.
More or less, the markets are going to diverge. Nintendo will continue the gaming only focus supplemented with features than enhance but don't detract from that focus while Sony and MS will FINALLY break away from gaming and meld into their set-top-box market and QUIT SCREWING UP GAMES for the most part. Of course they probably won't shift gaming to the back burner completely for another generation or two but by the time the PS6 comes out I doubt anyone's going to notice or care whether it plays video games at all.
Probably by the time the XBox129600 and the PS4 come out most developers won't even be able to afford to make games for them anyway. Listen to all the bitching, whining and complaining that's going on right now as it is from 3rd parties. Does anyone honestly believe that Sony or MS are actually going to listen and decide to slow down in their relentless pursuit of technological 1upmanship? The one that does will get creamed by the other. They've basically forced themselves into a hardware cold war and there's only one way it's going to end.
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Post by: Mashiro on June 02, 2008, 01:53:28 AM
Trying to figure out what Nintendo is up to at this point in the game would be like trying to answer the great and evil "am I pretty?" question, which I was asked this evening and when I said yes she still got mad at me! Nintendo does have a habit of innovate then refine, as was already stated. But how are they going to refine the Wii controller? True 1-to-1 motion control? More added motion sensors? Rip off the EyeToy? (Nintendo more than deserves to be able to ape some of Sony's or MS' ideas because honestly, they'd be able to do so much more with it anyway.) There's a number of different directions they could go. They're not going to be just adding more buttons or another stick to their next controller.
More or less, the markets are going to diverge. Nintendo will continue the gaming only focus supplemented with features than enhance but don't detract from that focus while Sony and MS will FINALLY break away from gaming and meld into their set-top-box market and QUIT SCREWING UP GAMES for the most part. Of course they probably won't shift gaming to the back burner completely for another generation or two but by the time the PS6 comes out I doubt anyone's going to notice or care whether it plays video games at all.
Probably by the time the XBox129600 and the PS4 come out most developers won't even be able to afford to make games for them anyway. Listen to all the bitching, whining and complaining that's going on right now as it is from 3rd parties. Does anyone honestly believe that Sony or MS are actually going to listen and decide to slow down in their relentless pursuit of technological 1upmanship? The one that does will get creamed by the other. They've basically forced themselves into a hardware cold war and there's only one way it's going to end.
Yeowza . . . well lets start from the top.
True 1-to-1 motion control is the next logical refinement step. I'd go as far to say if this isn't in Nintendo's next console I really don't see a point to buying it. Maybe throw in an online set up the makes sense and include an ethernet port and HD output for good measure. That would be nice.
Sony and MS is pretty forulaic, but so was Nintendo up until the Wii. Nintendo just made the smart move and realized they had no chance in hell with competing with MS and Sony in a "graphical arms" sort of war and decided to innovate and got lucky with their gimmicky wii system . . . ANYWAY. Do you really think Sony and MS will break away from gaming? How are they "screwing up games"? Do you really think people won't notice?
I'm sorry but lets face it, competition is a good thing. It always has been and always will be. As much as I appreciate Nintendo a Nintendo only gaming world would, well, suck. Developers only putting out content for one system is just disastrous for reasons that should be obvious.
More to the point though, what HAS Nintendo done that is SO innovative with the Wii? Let's just get right down to the nitty gritty shall we? At the end of the day the Wii has ONE block buster title that strictly needed the Wii's motion controls. Wii Sports. That's it. Please name me another AAA title that Nintendo has published for the Wii that requires the Wiimote? Zelda? Mario? Metroid? Smash? Mario Kart?
Nintendo itself can't even muster up force to use it's own "innovative" remote in it's main bread and butter games. Wario Ware smooth moves is all that comes to mind that "needs" the remote because of it's minigames and how they are set up. Woopie. All those other AAA titles could be played just the same, if not better with a classic controller.
So before we start knocking the other systems lets be honest about where the Wii stands right now. It's a gimmicky system with a gimmicky set up that has won the hearts of new or "casual" gamers for it's ease of use. It has a plethora of crappy carnival mini-game-esk type games from third parties and lacks the graphical power to get the ports of AAA 3rd party games that are on the 360 or the PS3.
Are development costs cheaper on the Wii? Sure but who gives a damn when we don't get any 3rd party games that are worth playing. Well to be fair there are some but they are few and far between.
PS3 and the 360 are keeping traditional gaming alive and not masking it with a waggle type control scheme.
It's hard to say how things will end up in the end but I think it is safe to say the Wii will be the winner this generation. Does it deserve it? No, not by a long shot. Do I have hopes that the Wii's successor will be able to TRULY revolutionize gaming? Absolutely. (Any system that can provide a great 1-to-1 motion control light saber game will have my <3 forever).
In the end Nintendo needs to deliver more to it's loyal fan base and LISTEN to what their gamer market wants so their system can truly be for everyone. Not the system that I play once a year =/
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Post by: animecyberrat on June 02, 2008, 04:09:15 AM
First off, to FOC, um, Blue ray is the next optical media, so that fits my analogy. Second off, I wasn't meaning o say PS3 sucks or that it doesn't do some cool ****, but honestly it isn't that different than PS2, except graphics and the interface. Adding HDD and allowing instalation of Linux is a step in the wrong direction, those are things that just make it too much like a PC and eroding the line between console and pc is just only going to hurt the gaming industry because nobody wants the PC to become the exclusive gaming platform.
Mashiro, I think you nailed exactly why I have not been satisfied with the wii and why the few occasions I do get to play 360 are like a sigh of relief. I hate to say it but I think it is true, would explain why I enjoyed Crackdown so much when most people claim it to be mediocre, it might not have been a great experience on it's own merrits, but after months of Wii Sports/Wii Play and nothing else it felt like playing a real video game for the first time in a long time for me.
Also I am all for competition, I never said I was against it, I am just deeply anti Sony for their killing off Sega. (and if I am delusional fine but that is and always will be how I see it)
Now back to my predictions.
I think Nintendo will **** it up, honestly, I think they will make the system basically what 360 is right now, only without the HDD because I suspect they won't want people being able to modify their console themselves as they have always been opposed to that. Other than that, I expect them to find some stupid little flaw that is a hindrance to the whole world but somehow fits their agenda and the whole userbase will continue to bitch and moan about lack of 3rd party support. (or the world will end by then and we won't matter anyways)
MS, I think they will bow out by then, they bleed to much money to keep going.
Sony, more of the same, better graphics, replace optical media with digital distribution for tighter control, and Dual Shock 4 will have rumble but motion controls will be removed for a new and improved EyeToy thingamabob.
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Post by: DAaaMan64 on June 02, 2008, 01:28:46 PM
HAHAHA, So I am the only one enjoying Wii! Sweeeeeettt
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Post by: user0x7D on June 02, 2008, 02:14:21 PM
True 1-to-1 motion control is the next logical refinement step. I'd go as far to say if this isn't in Nintendo's next console I really don't see a point to buying it. Maybe throw in an online set up the makes sense and include an ethernet port and HD output for good measure. That would be nice.
Sony and MS is pretty forulaic, but so was Nintendo up until the Wii. Nintendo just made the smart move and realized they had no chance in hell with competing with MS and Sony in a "graphical arms" sort of war and decided to innovate and got lucky with their gimmicky wii system . . . ANYWAY. Do you really think Sony and MS will break away from gaming? How are they "screwing up games"? Do you really think people won't notice?
I'm sorry but lets face it, competition is a good thing. It always has been and always will be. As much as I appreciate Nintendo a Nintendo only gaming world would, well, suck. Developers only putting out content for one system is just disastrous for reasons that should be obvious.
More to the point though, what HAS Nintendo done that is SO innovative with the Wii? Let's just get right down to the nitty gritty shall we? At the end of the day the Wii has ONE block buster title that strictly needed the Wii's motion controls. Wii Sports. That's it. Please name me another AAA title that Nintendo has published for the Wii that requires the Wiimote? Zelda? Mario? Metroid? Smash? Mario Kart?
Nintendo itself can't even muster up force to use it's own "innovative" remote in it's main bread and butter games. Wario Ware smooth moves is all that comes to mind that "needs" the remote because of it's minigames and how they are set up. Woopie. All those other AAA titles could be played just the same, if not better with a classic controller.
So before we start knocking the other systems lets be honest about where the Wii stands right now. It's a gimmicky system with a gimmicky set up that has won the hearts of new or "casual" gamers for it's ease of use. It has a plethora of crappy carnival mini-game-esk type games from third parties and lacks the graphical power to get the ports of AAA 3rd party games that are on the 360 or the PS3.
Are development costs cheaper on the Wii? Sure but who gives a damn when we don't get any 3rd party games that are worth playing. Well to be fair there are some but they are few and far between.
PS3 and the 360 are keeping traditional gaming alive and not masking it with a waggle type control scheme.
It's hard to say how things will end up in the end but I think it is safe to say the Wii will be the winner this generation. Does it deserve it? No, not by a long shot. Do I have hopes that the Wii's successor will be able to TRULY revolutionize gaming? Absolutely. (Any system that can provide a great 1-to-1 motion control light saber game will have my <3 forever).
In the end Nintendo needs to deliver more to it's loyal fan base and LISTEN to what their gamer market wants so their system can truly be for everyone. Not the system that I play once a year =/
<bad asian accent>A challenger! Let us battle!</bad asian accent>
*cracks knuckes*
True 1-to-1 motion control isn't necessarily a good thing. It suddenly makes gaming less about everyone and more about jocks. One of the reasons why I don't participate in sports is because jocks tend to be total jerks and as such, I avoid them. You turn gaming into a jock sport and well, it's dead to me. Of course it's really up to the developer to decide how they want to build the game but if you give them true 1-to-1 control, they're ALL going to want to use it just because none of them are going to want to be looked at as less-than when someone else's game does whether or not it works for their particular title. As for online and HD, blah, blah, blah. Distractions. I'd rather they worry about something that actually ADDS to gaming. Online is debatable... barely, but I haven't seen anything I'd call a "killer app" for online yet, from anyone on any platform.
MS has only been around for 2 gens so it's hard to say if they're formulaic. But if you look at those 2 gens... what has really changed at all? Nothing. Better graphics. A wireless controller? Can anyone come up with anything else? Sony hasn't even changed their damn controller for THREE generations! Nintendo on the other hand: NES redefines gaming as we know it, SNES refines it. N64 blows open the 3rd dimension, GC refines it. Wii actually lets you "play" games in an appreciable way for the first time. Again, the question now is how are they going to refine it? So far every 2 gens Nintendo has SO shifted gears that everyone else ends up scrambling just to try and catch up. This gen though the change was so drastic that the controller for the Wii doesn't even look like a controller! Where do you go with something like that?
And I'm not even going to respond to your gimmick statement because since the NES I've been trying to get Mario to jump that little bit higher by raising the controller. Motion isn't a gimmick, standard controllers are.
But let's compare notes on innovation shall we? What HAS Sony done that is SO innovative? What HAS MS done that is SO innovative? Nothing you say? Right now Nintendo is walking a very fine tightrope. People are bitching as it is that they've gone completely non-gamer. What are they supposed to do? They shift one way, they get bitched at. They shift another, they get bitched at. While Sony and MS continue to ruin gaming by driving up costs astronomically and wedging games into a handful of niche genres. At least Nintendo is doing SOMETHING whether you see it as innovative or not.
And before you start knocking the Wii, how about you look at the PS3 and the 360 for what THEY really are. More of the same of the same of the same with a not-so-fresh coat of paint. Hardly any of the games made today would be impossible to make on the N64 for gods sake! Gaming isn't going anywhere on those two systems. It's just grinding into itself over and over and over again. You say they're keeping traditional gaming alive as if that were a GOOD thing!
Besides, your definition of traditional gaming was considered radical and even unwanted by most gamers when it first appeared. Traditional is just another word for old and dying. It's a buzz phrase used to try and trick people into thinking that just because something has existed previously that it deserves to continue to exist more than what's coming next. In the end traditions die, replaced by something new which later becomes tradition and the cycle starts all over again. In all honesty, you yourself have just shown that the gaming that you care so much about, traditional gaming, is on the way out.
As for lack of good 3rd party games... I've given up on them. 3rd parties will either adapt or die. The ones that die never deserved to exist in the first place even if they are named Capcom, Konami, Namco, etc.
I don't think it's hard to say how things will turn out. Wii will continue to dominate. The next Sony and MS systems will come out with Wii rip-off controllers just because, you know, it's a gimmicky fad and all. And then, WOW, you'll see good 3rd party games using motion controls... because they won't have to put them on a Nintendo system. Of course by then Nintendo will be light years ahead of the curve once more.
Nintendo has proven time and time again that the market has ZERO clue what it really wants. Had Nintendo done what gamers were clamoring for with the Wii they'd be in a distant 3rd place, once again pigeonholed by Sony and MS as the kids system. They'd get a port here and there but the really big name 3rd party games would still skip over the system (see last gen, and the gen before). The point being that Nintendo cannot compete with Sony and MS in the same style market. They'll get slaughtered every time.
But look at the DS. Nintendo even stated themselves that they didn't expect it to take off. Look at the Wii, and remember all the screaming and crying from almost EVERYONE that they were never going to buy another Nintendo product ever in response to its unveiling. And what happened in the end? The market was wrong. What happened to all the analysts predicting that Nintendo would drop out of hardware after this generation and go software only? Wrong. What's CONTINUING to happen to every single prediction as to how the market is going to play out for the rest of this generation? WRONG!
I understand that you don't like the Wii too much. You're a core traditional gamer. Sorry but Nintendo had to leave you behind for its own good. They couldn't take you telling them how much you love them and then turning around and backhanding them because they're not big enough or rich enough to keep up with the other kids on the block. You're the type of person who made Nintendo who they are today. The type of person making unreasonable demands on a small company when compared to the multi-national-baby-eating-monsters that you expected it to be able to compete with.
To be honest, you only have yourself to blame that you don't like how the Wii turned out.
Title: Re: Wii 2/Revolution? Xbox 720? PS4? Oh my!
Post by: EasyCure on June 02, 2008, 02:54:47 PM
POTY?
Title: Re: Wii 2/Revolution? Xbox 720? PS4? Oh my!
Post by: Mashiro on June 02, 2008, 03:40:53 PM
POTY or more Nintendo fanboy-ism at it's best?
"True 1-to-1 motion control isn't necessarily a good thing. It suddenly makes gaming less about everyone and more about jocks. One of the reasons why I don't participate in sports is because jocks tend to be total jerks and as such, I avoid them. You turn gaming into a jock sport and well, it's dead to me. Of course it's really up to the developer to decide how they want to build the game but if you give them true 1-to-1 control, they're ALL going to want to use it just because none of them are going to want to be looked at as less-than when someone else's game does whether or not it works for their particular title. As for online and HD, blah, blah, blah. Distractions. I'd rather they worry about something that actually ADDS to gaming. Online is debatable... barely, but I haven't seen anything I'd call a "killer app" for online yet, from anyone on any platform."
So we don't evolve motion controls and are left with what? WAGGLE. Waggle up to do said action A, waggle down to do said action B, it's the same as pressing a button. Your argument against 1-to-1 is that you want everyone on an equal playing field . . . so no one is better than another person? Why not? I'm sorry but not everyone shares your view on gaming and focusing JUST on that audience leaves a number of us in the dust.
Now you say online and HD are distractions? Really? You mean to tell me you don't feel with a robust online system Brawl would have gotten far longer play time? You don't think that a Pokemon game on the Wii going online wouldn't be something of a big hit? You're just regurgitating what Nintendo tells you you want. Furthermore, don't you think come next gen more and more people are going to have HD sets? I'll tell you what takes away from a game, not being able to play it on *insert HD set here* because it looks like garbage. How is that adding to your experience?
If you want to see a killer online APP (and I have said it time and time and time again) wait for Nintendo to actually make a full scale online pokemon game. Practically everyone on the planet would play it =/.
Online and HD does add to gaming, just because you feel it doesn't it doesn't mean there isn't a market for it.
"MS has only been around for 2 gens so it's hard to say if they're formulaic. But if you look at those 2 gens... what has really changed at all? Nothing. Better graphics. A wireless controller? Can anyone come up with anything else? Sony hasn't even changed their damn controller for THREE generations! Nintendo on the other hand: NES redefines gaming as we know it, SNES refines it. N64 blows open the 3rd dimension, GC refines it. Wii actually lets you "play" games in an appreciable way for the first time. Again, the question now is how are they going to refine it? So far every 2 gens Nintendo has SO shifted gears that everyone else ends up scrambling just to try and catch up. This gen though the change was so drastic that the controller for the Wii doesn't even look like a controller! Where do you go with something like that?
And I'm not even going to respond to your gimmick statement because since the NES I've been trying to get Mario to jump that little bit higher by raising the controller. Motion isn't a gimmick, standard controllers are."
I'm not going to argue that Nintendo doesn't innovate, it does, it's always lead the way in terms of innovation and most companies just copy it. I'm not making that argument, the argument I am making is that this mystical amazing awesome motion controls you're drooling over is nothing more than a GIMMICK. Nintendo HASN'T proven it's new little control set up at all. Yeah is it fun in Wii Sports? You bet! But has Nintendo sat down and revolutionized their games around it? No.
Big deal you tried to get Mario to jump while lifting your controller, I hate to break it to you Mario still jumps with the press of a button. You can waggle your control and he spins though . . . yay . . . true innovation. Motion controls may not be a gimmick but the Wii's current capacity for them sure as heck is. I'm sorry but you can't say standard controllers are a "gimmick" when they have lasted how many years now? Come back and talk to me when "waggle" controls rule the gaming scene for 25 somewhat years.
Will motion controls rule the day someday in the future? More likely than not but not the way Wii uses the Wii-mote.
"But let's compare notes on innovation shall we? What HAS Sony done that is SO innovative? What HAS MS done that is SO innovative? Nothing you say? Right now Nintendo is walking a very fine tightrope. People are bitching as it is that they've gone completely non-gamer. What are they supposed to do? They shift one way, they get bitched at. They shift another, they get bitched at. While Sony and MS continue to ruin gaming by driving up costs astronomically and wedging games into a handful of niche genres. At least Nintendo is doing SOMETHING whether you see it as innovative or not.
And before you start knocking the Wii, how about you look at the PS3 and the 360 for what THEY really are. More of the same of the same of the same with a not-so-fresh coat of paint. Hardly any of the games made today would be impossible to make on the N64 for gods sake! Gaming isn't going anywhere on those two systems. It's just grinding into itself over and over and over again. You say they're keeping traditional gaming alive as if that were a GOOD thing!
Besides, your definition of traditional gaming was considered radical and even unwanted by most gamers when it first appeared. Traditional is just another word for old and dying. It's a buzz phrase used to try and trick people into thinking that just because something has existed previously that it deserves to continue to exist more than what's coming next. In the end traditions die, replaced by something new which later becomes tradition and the cycle starts all over again. In all honesty, you yourself have just shown that the gaming that you care so much about, traditional gaming, is on the way out.
As for lack of good 3rd party games... I've given up on them. 3rd parties will either adapt or die. The ones that die never deserved to exist in the first place even if they are named Capcom, Konami, Namco, etc."
You have to give MS credit in one area, they have the most robust online gaming set up compared to any of the system we have before us today.
Again, I'm not saying Nintendo hasn't innovated more than any other company in the past. It's just this high pedestal they get put on for the Wii isn't as deserving as people make it out to be. Again, name me ONE AAA title Nitnendo made that fully utilizes it's control scheme. Exactly, you can't. Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart, Smash Bros., they all use a very TRADITIONAL style of control, which you say is dying and old.
So what do we have? Waggle intensive games or point and "click" style adventures? The latter of which has been around since the early days of the PC?
Show me the innovation, please. When you look at it as much as you knock the competition for sticking with the tired and true formula of traditional gaming, Nintendo is doing the EXACT same thing with gimmicky control set ups. Mario Kart Wii is the same old Mario Kart with some new vehicles added and a wheel addon...thing. Wow. Mario Galaxy could be played with a GC controller and no one would notice a difference. Zelda is just a port of the GC game so . . . yeah same thing as Mario Galaxy and Smash Bros. begs to be played with CLASSIC TRADITIONAL CONTROLS.
Where is your innovation you speak so highly of for the Wii? I don't see it in their AAA tittles so please show me.
I'm not saying motion controls won't evolve into something much better but WHERE IT STANDs motion control is a GIMMICK on the Wii. Nintendo can't utilize it so why should I expect 3rd parties to?
As for giving up on third parties I've done that once before with the N64, i'd rather not again.
"I don't think it's hard to say how things will turn out. Wii will continue to dominate. The next Sony and MS systems will come out with Wii rip-off controllers just because, you know, it's a gimmicky fad and all. And then, WOW, you'll see good 3rd party games using motion controls... because they won't have to put them on a Nintendo system. Of course by then Nintendo will be light years ahead of the curve once more."
God help us if they rip off the current Wii controllers. Again, motion controls will play a big part in the future of gaming but the Wii RIGHT NOW has Gimmicky controls that don't have practical applications in gaming. You STILL need a traditional button set up to do things in these games.
"Nintendo has proven time and time again that the market has ZERO clue what it really wants. Had Nintendo done what gamers were clamoring for with the Wii they'd be in a distant 3rd place, once again pigeonholed by Sony and MS as the kids system. They'd get a port here and there but the really big name 3rd party games would still skip over the system (see last gen, and the gen before). The point being that Nintendo cannot compete with Sony and MS in the same style market. They'll get slaughtered every time."
I know this, I already stated the same thing. Nintendo tapped into a market that didn't exist and now they phase in money.
"But look at the DS. Nintendo even stated themselves that they didn't expect it to take off. Look at the Wii, and remember all the screaming and crying from almost EVERYONE that they were never going to buy another Nintendo product ever in response to its unveiling. And what happened in the end? The market was wrong. What happened to all the analysts predicting that Nintendo would drop out of hardware after this generation and go software only? Wrong. What's CONTINUING to happen to every single prediction as to how the market is going to play out for the rest of this generation? WRONG!
I understand that you don't like the Wii too much. You're a core traditional gamer. Sorry but Nintendo had to leave you behind for its own good. They couldn't take you telling them how much you love them and then turning around and backhanding them because they're not big enough or rich enough to keep up with the other kids on the block. You're the type of person who made Nintendo who they are today. The type of person making unreasonable demands on a small company when compared to the multi-national-baby-eating-monsters that you expected it to be able to compete with.
To be honest, you only have yourself to blame that you don't like how the Wii turned out."
I only have myself to blame for how the Wii turned out? Really? So supporting Nintendo since DAY ONE of the NES and practically ONLY buying Nintendo products until now is what made the Wii turn out this way. Really?
No my misguided friend, don't question or even begin to point fingers at the end user for how things turned out. Nintendo needed to leave it's followers in the dust? Don't call me out on the kind of person I am without knowing anything about me.
I can easily say the same for you, the BLINDLY DEVOTED FOLLOWERS of Nintendo will cause gaming to become a waggle infested mini-game market for all.
See? That's not too nice now is it.
Sorry but I followed Nintendo nearly all my life and I don't have to be spoon fed what I want (because apparently I don't know what I want right?) by them anymore.
Title: Re: Wii 2/Revolution? Xbox 720? PS4? Oh my!
Post by: DAaaMan64 on June 02, 2008, 03:52:40 PM
I can honestly say I haven't had this much fun gaming since I was a boy playing N64... I love the Wii. Pwns the GC right outa the water.
Title: Re: Wii 2/Revolution? Xbox 720? PS4? Oh my!
Post by: EasyCure on June 02, 2008, 04:04:12 PM
Actually, i was joking so your sarcasm detector must be broken, sorry to hear that. I think both your posts sound fanboyish (as well as any argument like this on any forum) but they're still entertaining to read. At least its not "U SUX0RS 360 ROCKS NO WII IS TEH 1337"
Title: Re: Wii 2/Revolution? Xbox 720? PS4? Oh my!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 02, 2008, 04:07:58 PM
Wii is so awesome. I'm encountering one MEGATON FAP after the next.
[note: the last time I was excited about a shooter was the first Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon on PC. From the industry's perspective, fortunately, shooters are the Reality TV business in video gaming.]
Title: Re: Wii 2/Revolution? Xbox 720? PS4? Oh my!
Post by: Mashiro on June 02, 2008, 04:15:22 PM
It's been a while EasyCure sorry ;) I do need to bring the ol' detector into the shop . . .
also what is a FAP? It sounds kinda . . . sexy . . .
Title: Re: Wii 2/Revolution? Xbox 720? PS4? Oh my!
Post by: DAaaMan64 on June 02, 2008, 04:17:30 PM
FAP is reference to the stereo typical sound of masturbating.................... In other words, FAP FAP FAP
Title: Re: Wii 2/Revolution? Xbox 720? PS4? Oh my!
Post by: EasyCure on June 02, 2008, 04:27:43 PM
DONT BELIEVE HIS LIES!
Freaky Asian Peoples
Title: Re: Wii 2/Revolution? Xbox 720? PS4? Oh my!
Post by: user0x7D on June 02, 2008, 05:08:35 PM
So we don't evolve motion controls and are left with what? WAGGLE. Waggle up to do said action A, waggle down to do said action B, it's the same as pressing a button. Your argument against 1-to-1 is that you want everyone on an equal playing field . . . so no one is better than another person? Why not? I'm sorry but not everyone shares your view on gaming and focusing JUST on that audience leaves a number of us in the dust.
I'm sorry, you need new glasses. When did I say NOT to evolve motion controls? I said, you need to be CAREFUL with it because 3rd parties will run it into the ground even when it's not needed! If every game becomes true 1-to-1 it's going to ruin the whole thing. Certain games can very well make use of true 1-to-1 motion but most games can't and shouldn't but 3rd parties will slap it onto everything and then whine about how motion control sucks when the games turn out bad. Look at the "casual" bandwagon that 3rd parties are on right now. Now imagine that with true 1-to-t motion control. *shudder*
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Now you say online and HD are distractions? Really? You mean to tell me you don't feel with a robust online system Brawl would have gotten far longer play time? You don't think that a Pokemon game on the Wii going online wouldn't be something of a big hit? You're just regurgitating what Nintendo tells you you want. Furthermore, don't you think come next gen more and more people are going to have HD sets? I'll tell you what takes away from a game, not being able to play it on *insert HD set here* because it looks like garbage. How is that adding to your experience?
I still enjoy playing 8-bit and 16-bit games. Are they any less fun because they're not in HD or pushing around massive amounts of polygons or bilinear texture mapped? NO~! Graphics are a means to an end, not an end unto themselves. HD isn't anywhere near the massive and catastrophic shift in... anything that most people make it out to be. It's just a clearer picture. Oh wow... I can't believe I played games with a less clear picture before. How did I ever stand such blurry garbage. :p
And as for online, how is it anything more than playing with someone else sitting right next to you? I'm not a big fan of multi-player games to begin with so right there I lose interest. But beyond that, WHERE IS THE REAL ONLINE KILLER APP??? There isn't one. I was introduced to a game a while ago by a friend, an online SINGLE PLAYER game I might add, that involved you having to search the internet, on real as well as fake websites designed for the game, in order to find clues. That I find to be a MUCH bigger development of online play than any other game that I've ever seen. Why is online completely relegated to player matches, to fighting one another, with the odd coop mode thrown in? It's all just so boring and done before. It feels like such a waste of time and energy that it's used as merely a way to replace having to have someone sit next to you on the couch.
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If you want to see a killer online APP (and I have said it time and time and time again) wait for Nintendo to actually make a full scale online pokemon game. Practically everyone on the planet would play it =/.
AW HELLS NO! If Nintendo ever makes an online console version of Pokemon it had BETTER involve me and maybe a few friends playing through the world together. A Pokemon MMO would absolutely RUIN the game for me forever. I'm not going to play a game with a bunch of 12 year olds going on 18 yelling and swearing at me constantly. I'll tell you right now that voice chat is the bane of online gaming. No matter what it added to it, the fact that you have to put up with complete and total morons whining day in and day out absolutely ruins it.
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Online and HD does add to gaming, just because you feel it doesn't it doesn't mean there isn't a market for it.
I never said they didn't add to gaming, they just don't add much. I also never said there wasn't a market for them. There's a market for cigarettes after all and they're basically a product designed to addict and then kill you. There's a market for anything. Doesn't mean it's a good or worthwhile product.
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I'm not going to argue that Nintendo doesn't innovate, it does, it's always lead the way in terms of innovation and most companies just copy it. I'm not making that argument, the argument I am making is that this mystical amazing awesome motion controls you're drooling over is nothing more than a GIMMICK. Nintendo HASN'T proven it's new little control set up at all. Yeah is it fun in Wii Sports? You bet! But has Nintendo sat down and revolutionized their games around it? No.
Big deal you tried to get Mario to jump while lifting your controller, I hate to break it to you Mario still jumps with the press of a button. You can waggle your control and he spins though . . . yay . . . true innovation. Motion controls may not be a gimmick but the Wii's current capacity for them sure as heck is. I'm sorry but you can't say standard controllers are a "gimmick" when they have lasted how many years now? Come back and talk to me when "waggle" controls rule the gaming scene for 25 somewhat years.
As for Nintendo revolutionizing their games around the Wii controller... YOU! WON'T! LET! THEM! They completely change Mario to use the Wii controller to the max and you'll say they ruined it, probably without even giving the game a chance. There are so many people out there raging for Nintendo's demise about this whole situation that it's crazy! I told you before, they're being extremely careful for a reason. And that reason is people like you.
And by the way, lack of technological innovation or inability to adapt technology in a usable manor does not mean that current and previous controllers are not a gimmick. The Wii controller is a gimmick too, but it's closer to where gaming is eventually going to head. It's the next evolutionary step. It removes one more barrier from the human/machine interface. Every controller is a gimmick until games evolve into... well I don't know what they're going to evolve into.
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Will motion controls rule the day someday in the future? More likely than not but not the way Wii uses the Wii-mote.
DUH! Now that's not hard to figure out.
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You have to give MS credit in one area, they have the most robust online gaming set up compared to any of the system we have before us today.
Again, I'm not saying Nintendo hasn't innovated more than any other company in the past. It's just this high pedestal they get put on for the Wii isn't as deserving as people make it out to be. Again, name me ONE AAA title Nitnendo made that fully utilizes it's control scheme. Exactly, you can't. Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart, Smash Bros., they all use a very TRADITIONAL style of control, which you say is dying and old.
So what do we have? Waggle intensive games or point and "click" style adventures? The latter of which has been around since the early days of the PC?
Show me the innovation, please. When you look at it as much as you knock the competition for sticking with the tired and true formula of traditional gaming, Nintendo is doing the EXACT same thing with gimmicky control set ups. Mario Kart Wii is the same old Mario Kart with some new vehicles added and a wheel addon...thing. Wow. Mario Galaxy could be played with a GC controller and no one would notice a difference. Zelda is just a port of the GC game so . . . yeah same thing as Mario Galaxy and Smash Bros. begs to be played with CLASSIC TRADITIONAL CONTROLS.
Where is your innovation you speak so highly of for the Wii? I don't see it in their AAA tittles so please show me.
I'm not saying motion controls won't evolve into something much better but WHERE IT STANDs motion control is a GIMMICK on the Wii. Nintendo can't utilize it so why should I expect 3rd parties to?
As for giving up on third parties I've done that once before with the N64, i'd rather not again.
Tried and true? Tradition? Is THAT all you have? Just to use the same old tired arguments that what's already come before is more worthy of existence because it's already here? Didn't I already put this idea to rest before? Tradition means nothing. In fact, tradition is one of the most damaging forces in the world. Just because it's here already means it's better... Get over yourself!
And there are still technical limitations in what the Wii can do so you're arguments about how Nintendo hasn't completely rewritten gaming as it stands don't hold water in the slightest. Buttons will be around for a while still. It's a fact of nature... sadly. But Nintendo is taking the first few steps in the right direction. If you wanted to wait until motion control was perfected it would NEVER come out! You have to start somewhere, even if it's simple actions and small additions to "traditional" games. The point is it's something.
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God help us if they rip off the current Wii controllers. Again, motion controls will play a big part in the future of gaming but the Wii RIGHT NOW has Gimmicky controls that don't have practical applications in gaming. You STILL need a traditional button set up to do things in these games.
Sony's already tried and it's the worst kept secret in the industry that MS is working on their own. Sorry, but "waggle" is here to stay whether you want it to be or not. And I've already said buttons aren't going to vanish for a while still. It's so sad that technology evolves so slowly.
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I know this, I already stated the same thing. Nintendo tapped into a market that didn't exist and now they phase in money.
Who said it was a market that didn't exist? Where are you getting that from? It was a market that existed that didn't KNOW that it wanted this product until it was released. There's a HUGE difference. Nintendo did not make the market, they simply validated it.
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I only have myself to blame for how the Wii turned out? Really? So supporting Nintendo since DAY ONE of the NES and practically ONLY buying Nintendo products until now is what made the Wii turn out this way. Really?
No my misguided friend, don't question or even begin to point fingers at the end user for how things turned out. Nintendo needed to leave it's followers in the dust? Don't call me out on the kind of person I am without knowing anything about me.
I can easily say the same for you, the BLINDLY DEVOTED FOLLOWERS of Nintendo will cause gaming to become a waggle infested mini-game market for all.
See? That's not too nice now is it.
Sorry but I followed Nintendo nearly all my life and I don't have to be spoon fed what I want (because apparently I don't know what I want right?) by them anymore.
Oh wow... That one hit a nerve. The thing is, it sounds like you sir are the more devoted Nintendo fan than I. Over the years I've gotten more and more tired of the same old stale gaming that's been regurgitated time and time again. Even from Nintendo. The N64 was okay, the GC was less than stellar and by the time word started propagating about the next generation, I'd already decided that unless someone did something drastic, I wasn't even going to get a console. Console gaming was all but dead to me. Sure I still followed the industry and the politics and the blah, blah, blah. But none of the games actually interested me any more.
Mario Sunshine sucked ass. Twilight Princess was such a let down. After the first PSX era I said good-bye to Square. I bought FFVII, VIII and IX while watching the companies game making abilities erode. After the GC I just assumed it was time to let Nintendo go as well.
Wii changed my mind. Not really for what it was, but for what it represented. A new way of playing. A better, brighter future. Not one filled with simply more buttons, more buttons, more buttons, higher res, higher res, higher res. And the promise of what was to come after? How can you even understate what the advancement of this control mechanic represents?
No one wanted to do it. Everyone said it would blow. Hell, there were PC controllers in the past, one made by MS itself, that completely tanked because no one could figure out how to do it right. Nintendo figured it out. They may not have paved the road but the cleared the brush so you can see that there is a path. You keep acting like I'm treating Nintendo like this gaming messiah, which is anything but the truth. What they are are the only ones who seem to be able to get anything started right. Had Wii come out with a traditional controller with "waggle", it would have tanked ala everyone else that has ever tried that.
In the end, "traditional" games are and will vanish. No amount of fighting against that will stop it. "Waggle" is the buzz right now, but that's right now. This is only a taste of that which is yet to come. If you can't get over yourself long enough to realize that you must give new ideas TIME to develop then really, what else can I say? You're one of the dinosaurs that are going to be left behind.
The meteor has already struck.
Title: Re: Wii 2/Revolution? Xbox 720? PS4? Oh my!
Post by: Mashiro on June 02, 2008, 05:56:55 PM
"I still enjoy playing 8-bit and 16-bit games. Are they any less fun because they're not in HD or pushing around massive amounts of polygons or bilinear texture mapped? NO~! Graphics are a means to an end, not an end unto themselves. HD isn't anywhere near the massive and catastrophic shift in... anything that most people make it out to be. It's just a clearer picture. Oh wow... I can't believe I played games with a less clear picture before. How did I ever stand such blurry garbage. :p"
You don't have an HDTV do you? If you've read my other posts about it, the 8 bit and 16 bit games still look fine when played on this kind of set. It's the upscaling of polygons and textures that make things less attractive. You seem like you like to settle for things, that's nice. I on the other hand prefer not to have to look at games that look muddy and blurry. If I wanted that I would have got a PS1 or something.
"I'm sorry, you need new glasses."
I don't wear glasses. All I saw was a comparison to jocks and gaming and one to one controls and you crying about even the thought of it. Maybe I'm wrong.
"True 1-to-1 motion control isn't necessarily a good thing. It suddenly makes gaming less about everyone and more about jocks. One of the reasons why I don't participate in sports is because jocks tend to be total jerks and as such, I avoid them. You turn gaming into a jock sport and well, it's dead to me. Of course it's really up to the developer to decide how they want to build the game but if you give them true 1-to-1 control, they're ALL going to want to use it just because none of them are going to want to be looked at as less-than when someone else's game does whether or not it works for their particular title. "
How else do you evolve it beyond increasing the ACTUAL control you get from motion controls?
"And as for online, how is it anything more than playing with someone else sitting right next to you? "
Well, seeing as how I personally know everyone on these forums IRL . . . *face palm* you fail at logic sir.
"I never said they didn't add to gaming, they just don't add much. . ."
Oh?
"As for online and HD, blah, blah, blah. Distractions. I'd rather they worry about something that actually ADDS to gaming."
Something that actually adds to gaming would tend to lead to the thought that the example before that statement does not lead to gaming.
"As for Nintendo revolutionizing their games around the Wii controller... YOU! WON'T! LET! THEM! They completely change Mario to use the Wii controller to the max and you'll say they ruined it, probably without even giving the game a chance. There are so many people out there raging for Nintendo's demise about this whole situation that it's crazy! I told you before, they're being extremely careful for a reason. And that reason is people like you."
Lol surely I am stopping them. No wait . . . I'm not. I want the Wii controller to be used to the max, in a good way. You clearly don't understand the point of my posts. Currently even using the Wii controller to it's max potential can't give the desired results Nintendo is looking for, which is why we haven't seen a full departure from our traditional mario games and such.
You think I am against motion controls but I'm not, I'm against how they are being implemented in games now. Just look up Nintendo and their reasoning for not having "true" sword swings in TP for Wii. Nothing would have been more awesome than swinging to the right and *wosh* my sword goes to the right. Or hell even horizontal and vertical swipes. but no. We get waggle instead.
Again, I'm not preventing Nintendo from this, I am ready to embrace such changes but they haven't come yet. I'm not convinced with their current set up on the Wii that this truly is the revolution gamers were waiting to see.
We are on the same page in terms of this is where games will go. so I won't argue with that. I do think traditional games are here to stay, one way or another as is traditional inputs (weather they aid the motion controlled game or control the entire game).
As for the rest well . . . this is too tiresome lol.
I'm right there in saying the Wii is great for trying something new and that this will evolve further and further. I'm not looking for a perfected system yet either, I'm looking for a system I enjoy playing games on and right now the Wii doesn't have it.
I'm glad you like waggle so much . . . waving a remote blindly and trying to get actions out of it sure is fun right?
:rolleyes:
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Post by: Kairon on June 02, 2008, 06:25:47 PM
I'm in class right now... shhh.... but I WILL post in this thread again. Oooh!!!! Good old fashioned walls of text! I feel so at home!
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Post by: EasyCure on June 02, 2008, 06:37:54 PM
I'm in class right now... shhh.... but I WILL post in this thread again. Oooh!!!! Good old fashioned walls of text! I feel so at home!
go to the library..
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Post by: Mashiro on June 02, 2008, 06:43:14 PM
It's a good ol' fashioned wall o text battle!
Actually that's probably it for me ;) I was home 3 days in a row being sick but have fun with it Kairon.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 02, 2008, 07:06:39 PM
I didn't feel like reading walls of text from some new person I've never heard of, but I read Mashiro's walls of text because despite his defection to the dark side lol I still like him.
I agree with a lot of your points, online is good, I don't care that much about HD but it would be nice to have. Traditional controls still have an important place in gaming, 512 MB is nowhere near enough (I'm not sure if you made that point, you had two long posts and I don't remember everything you wrote, but if you didn't make that point you should have). Comparing 1:1 motions in games to athletic competition is crazy, you don't need to run a 4.4 40 yard dash to play Wii Tennis, senior citizens can do it.
Then there are a couple points I disagree with. First, you're right, the motion control hasn't been used effectively, but you downplay how good the pointer is. The pointer is the big control revolution of the Wii, at least for traditional games. Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition and Metroid Prime 3 could have been (and have been) done with a standard gamepad, but the pointer makes them better (and in the case of Metroid, regarding waggle, can you sit there with a straight face and say using motion controls for the grapple beam wasn't awesome?).
Second, I think it's way too early to say that the Wii doesn't deserve to win this generation. You could argue that it didn't deserve to win like this, it didn't deserve to win so early with the lineup so far. Things don't always work out fairly in the game industry, if they did the Dreamcast would have had a much longer life. My point is that there are at least 3 more years of life in the Wii, more than it's had so far. I do think the third parties (some of them, the ones that aren't Ubisoft) will come around.
Well there you go, my own mini wall of text.
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Post by: Kairon on June 02, 2008, 07:07:19 PM
Okay, I'll take over, but I don't think people like arguing with me as much as they do with you Mashiro. Hope ya get better!
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Post by: Mashiro on June 02, 2008, 07:14:55 PM
Thanks Kairon =D Ricolas work wonders (though my bag is slowly depleting!!!)
insanolord as always it's a pleasure to read your points and I agree with you.
RE:4 and Metroid are great examples of how the wiimote as a pointer works fantastic =) So much so that it pains me RE:5 won't be making its way to the Wii =(
The grappling beam is a great example of how new controls work really well and in this case it didn't feel like waggle at all.
It's fair to say that its unfair of me to judge the Wii unworthy of winning thing gen and indeed the industry isn't fair . . . but of course you knew my one weakness and brought up the DC ::tears::
Kairons sig makes this all the more better haha
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Post by: Kairon on June 02, 2008, 07:24:08 PM
A glooming peace this morning with it brings; The sun, for sorrow, will not show his head: Go hence, to have more talk of these sad things; Some shall be pardon'd, and some punished: For never was a story of more woe Than this of Sega and her Mashiro
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Post by: Smoke39 on June 02, 2008, 09:03:27 PM
Okay, I'll take over, but I don't think people like arguing with me as much as they do with you Mashiro. Hope ya get better!
thats BS /CRYON, i've been calling you out for ever!
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theres a peephole in my wall of text so i can keep an eye on you....
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Post by: user0x7D on June 03, 2008, 01:39:14 AM
Okay, I had another huge retort but I decided not to post it. I tend to forget that most people don't look at things like I do. I see things from high above. I look at the massive picture. I turn almost everything into a philosophical conversation and then I don't realize that most people have no idea what I'm talking about or where I'm coming from.
I need to find some place where people like to have really deep convoluted conversations without getting rilled up over having their values questioned...
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Post by: Kairon on June 03, 2008, 03:31:11 AM
Okay, I had another huge retort but I decided not to post it. I tend to forget that most people don't look at things like I do. I see things from high above. I look at the massive picture. I turn almost everything into a philosophical conversation and then I don't realize that most people have no idea what I'm talking about or where I'm coming from.
I need to find some place where people like to have really deep convoluted conversations without getting rilled up over having their values questioned...
GIVE.
I mean uh... PM me that big retort. You've piqued my curiousity, and I love big discussions, especially philosophical ones.
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Post by: Maverick on June 03, 2008, 12:47:11 PM
Okay, I had another huge retort but I decided not to post it. I tend to forget that most people don't look at things like I do. I see things from high above. I look at the massive picture. I turn almost everything into a philosophical conversation and then I don't realize that most people have no idea what I'm talking about or where I'm coming from.
I need to find some place where people like to have really deep convoluted conversations without getting rilled up over having their values questioned...
NEVERMIND I'M JUST TOO SMART FOR YOUS GUYS C-YA I WIN!
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Post by: animecyberrat on June 04, 2008, 12:24:33 AM
so did my post go unnoticed again?
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Post by: Spak-Spang on June 12, 2008, 01:56:41 PM
Every single time I see this thread I question what I would want to see in Wii 2.
I want it to be compatible as much as possible with the original Wii.
Transfer over VC and WiiWare games, Classic and nunchuk support within new Wii Remote.
Then I ask if I even want another controller. And I do...but I would rather Nintendo develop a better motion sensor and sensor bar that could be compatible with the original Wii Remotes...so I would not have to buy everything over again.
In the end, as along as the nunchuks and Classic controllers are compatible I can live with buying 4 new controllers.
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Post by: Mysticspike on June 13, 2008, 12:14:25 AM
Well, that's how these companies make money, eh? They change everything, and make it not compatible, so you have to buy new everythings... I didn't know everything could be plural... It probably wasn't meant to be.... Whatever.
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Post by: nickmitch on June 14, 2008, 11:29:19 PM
Nintendo profits off its consoles, so as long as they make you buy them, they're good. MS and Sony would be more likely to rely on their attach rate to make money next gen (as they have in past gen(s)).
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on June 15, 2008, 02:32:02 AM
Nintendo profits off its consoles, so as long as they make you buy them, they're good. MS and Sony would be more likely to rely on their attach rate to make money next gen (as they have in past gen(s)).
Thats true about sony and microsoft because they sell their console at a loss while Nintendo sells them at a profit or a small loss. Sony and Microsoft's route they rely on royalties, 1st party game sales, accessory sales to bring in the profit.
Every single time I see this thread I question what I would want to see in Wii 2.
I want it to be compatible as much as possible with the original Wii.
Transfer over VC and WiiWare games, Classic and nunchuk support within new Wii Remote.
In the end, as along as the nunchuks and Classic controllers are compatible I can live with buying 4 new controllers.
This could be very possible as long as Nintendo doesn't abandon the expansion slot in the controller.
Also I can see Nintendo allowing you to d/l Wiiware and VC games on to Nintendo's next console because you can tie your Wii Shop account to your mynintendo.com account which shows you what games you registered (digital titles are automatically registered for you).
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Post by: ThePerm on June 17, 2008, 04:53:38 PM
heres how its going to work oput this generation
Wii had a massive initial sucess, but will soon steady, then of course there will be slight spikes in userbase with price cuts Xbox 360 has a solid userbase that will very slowly increase playstation 3 had a slow start, but will eventually snowball exponentially as blueray becomes more popular.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 17, 2008, 05:00:46 PM
are you some kind of wacko analyst or something?
Who's quote did you copy that from?
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Post by: D_Average on June 17, 2008, 05:06:46 PM
I want the Wii 2 to have games that shoot lasers at me. These lasers must be then dodged to avoid serious consequences.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 17, 2008, 05:13:22 PM
I want the Wii 2 to have games that shoot lasers at me. These lasers must be then dodged to avoid serious consequences.
That would give new meaning to the slogan Now You're Playing With Power
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Post by: Spak-Spang on June 17, 2008, 05:59:36 PM
All I want in the next Wii is making it as compatible as possible with the original Wii games and Wii Ware and Virtual Console.
Then, I want HD Graphics at an affordable price...and a better storage solution. That is all.
Obviously, I understand controller innovations are needed...and I hope that they are less in design changes and more in perfecting functionality to make the Wii play more like we dreamed it would after seeing the first Promo video.
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Post by: animecyberrat on June 18, 2008, 08:40:02 PM
Well since we are throwing practicallity out the window and going with what we want from the next console I can go with that.
Here is what I would like, not that I expect it.
First ditch the Wii name, come up with something closer to the idea of Revolution.
Second, make the damn thing BLACK from the start.
3rd, screw all the HD haters, HD is nto the standard yet but it's gaining momentum and I wish Wii was HD already so the next console better damn well at least offer 720p if not full 1080p HD.
4th Keep the controller exactly how it is, work on the classic controller though.
5th, built in mass storage device (by mass storage I mean at least 10GB or higher please) I am not exactly opposed to the idea of external HDD's but a larger internal storage media should be beneficial.
6th, remember when we got excited because the Wii was gonna have a system friend code and that would do away with having friend codes for individual games, yeah bring that system back to reality please and thank you.
7th, I saw these cool I-Pod glasses on Modern Marvels, find a way to make those work with the next console and you have a true VR experience.
8th, some real Surround Sound support damn it to friggin hell!
9th, find a way to transfer your VC/Wiiware titles to the new system.
10th, ditch the GC backwards compatibility and focus on making a more powerful console.
11th, if they're gonna have an internet channel or web browser, at least keep the fucking flash players up to date! God nothing pisses me off more about the Wii than having Flash Player 7 when every website on the planet except youtube is already using 8 or higher.
12th, I really, really, really want a TRUE Duck Hunt sequel or remake to come out and be included in the next pack in, screw Wii Sports, give us a Duck Hunt game and maybe a few other mini games but I want Duck Hunt damn it.
That is all.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 18, 2008, 10:04:55 PM
10th, ditch the GC backwards compatibility and focus on making a more powerful console.
Why do you want Nintendo to remove functionality in exchange for something when we could have a more powerful console that also plays GameCube games? Especially if we're not taking practicality into account.
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Post by: animecyberrat on June 18, 2008, 10:12:54 PM
because first off, GC and Wii consoles are in abundance at the moment so there is no reason to include the function in a new console. Second the added cost of keeping the hardware in tact means they will likely skimp out on something else to keep cost down.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on June 21, 2008, 10:02:02 PM
I would have to agree with all of your points Rat especially the Flash Player. I like to watch anime with my wii recently I was watching Ah! My Goddess!! and I had to stop at episode 8 of the first season. I have to go to my grandmothers house to watch it now. Now about wii2. I found this story. http://gonintendo.com/?p=47083 Do you think this a possibility for next gen? Or do you think that it will be to expensive for the average consumer?
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Post by: Guitar Smasher on June 22, 2008, 12:12:16 AM
Irregardless of expense, I don't think the average consumer is ready to strap something onto their head, not yet. Wii was nervous of using more than a couple buttons, and I think 'mind control' would scare any 'non-gamer'. Maybe in 15-20 years after brain-controlled technology is at least heard-of.
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Post by: animecyberrat on June 22, 2008, 12:17:43 AM
I was thinking something more along the lines of this baby.
Irregardless of expense, I don't think the average consumer is ready to strap something onto their head, not yet. Wii was nervous of using more than a couple buttons, and I think 'mind control' would scare any 'non-gamer'. Maybe in 15-20 years after brain-controlled technology is at least heard-of.
I'm sorry that your friends' gameplay habits are dictated by the label or the colour of the console.
It's people like this who could be convinced to drink poison if the can it comes in is "xtreme" enough.
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Post by: animecyberrat on June 22, 2008, 10:42:51 PM
go to hell.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on June 24, 2008, 12:12:29 PM
There was an article up on Gonintendo...talking about different things you could do with the Wiimotes. They talked about adding the A/R lights so like the sensor bar has so each Wiimote could see each other I thought that was cool.
What if something like that was added to Wii 2. And then you can add to the sensor bar the ability to read where each Wiimote is as well. Then you could probably determine motion much better, and even perhaps make games with true motion detection.
But, what would be even more cool...is if the problem of sunlight could be solved screwing up the pointing detection and such...you could design a simple Laser Tag like game. Each Wiimote could use its memory to determine who it shot, and you can design the game to need to go to the Wii console to reload your "gun" at which point the information about who shot who could be sent to the Wii and a score board kept. It could mean a more active and interesting game of tag.
Heck, even vests could be designed to work with this...and it would be awesome.
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Post by: animecyberrat on June 24, 2008, 12:16:07 PM
I don't know about vests, the last time the gaming industry tried that it was a huge flop.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 24, 2008, 12:25:14 PM
The rebirth of the Atari Mindlink!
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Post by: animecyberrat on June 24, 2008, 12:29:21 PM
What would be perfect is if they took the Activator, the Interactor and those glasses I linked to, and just added all that extra immersion to make a "real" VR experience. Not gonna happen though.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 24, 2008, 12:54:49 PM
Don't forget the Power Glove and that thing that you stand on that makes you wobble around while you play.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on June 24, 2008, 12:57:25 PM
The Vest idea is just an accessory for that one game...not something that would be used always...and all it would have to be is a cheap accessory with the lights for targeting on both sides. Simple.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 24, 2008, 01:01:36 PM
I've always wanted to buy a bunch of NES Zappers and find a way to mod them so I could play laser tag with them.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 24, 2008, 01:28:57 PM
You'd better wear a NES controller belt.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 24, 2008, 01:41:01 PM
I figured I'd plug the controller plug into a little device with an NES emulator running a homebrew ROM that kept score and time. The only problem is I don't know anything about laser tag components, connecting NES controller ports to computers, or coding for the NES. But other than that the plan's in great shape.
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Post by: Arbok on June 24, 2008, 01:47:02 PM
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Post by: animecyberrat on June 24, 2008, 07:15:51 PM
The Wii Remote takes the place of the Power Glove, so there.
Actually the Interactor would work theoretically with the Wii anyways. It hooks up to the console via the RCA jack and the Wii uses those. I know it was universal, as it would work with any game system on the market. So if you wanted ot add that you could.
The Activator, that would require a mod, because it was a Genesis accessory.
Those glasses would be easy to make compatible with Wii, they would replace the I-Pod interface with a generic USB and include the drivers with a system update or something. It won;t add anything to the gameplay but it would add to the immersion a lot.
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Post by: ReverendNoahWhateley on June 25, 2008, 01:53:18 AM
He looks sort of like the Jack of Clubs.
SUPER POWER CLUBS, that is!
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Post by: EasyCure on June 25, 2008, 01:17:52 PM
