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Title: What game series do you think won't be coming to the Wii U?
Post by: Kairon on June 11, 2012, 11:48:32 PM
So, I'm pretty much a one-console sort of guy. I have this hang-up about spending money buying more hardware when I can get tons of software for what I already own instead. So I've had to live with not getting certain big exciting games from third parties since I'm at the same time also a Nintendo gamer (and my PC is in desperate need of an upgrade right now).
That's fine, but what game series/examples do you see not coming to the Wii U going forward? It's sort of the unspoken price of going 1-console-only and Nintendo, I thought I'd ask it out loud.
For example, I DO expect to get CoD games. Heaven help Reggie if I don't! *shakes fist* I also still hold out some (foolhardy) hope for GTA 5 and Final Fantasy...
But I DON'T expect to get BioShock, nor Fallout, nor Oblivion. I'm not holding my breath for Lollipop Chainsaw, or Watchdogs, or any future Valve games (like Portal).
Anyone care to help me tally up a list of games I might have to resign myself to not be playing this gen?
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 12, 2012, 12:19:51 AM
I think it would be easier to compile a list of games the Wii U WILL be getting versus a list of games it won't. Basically, the list of games the Wii U won't be getting is every game ever made minus the ones it does get.
At this point we only know the launch titles anyway (plus some that will come soon after). Our knowledge is very limited so any list isn't going to be very accurate at all.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 12, 2012, 12:35:46 AM
This depends a lot on when Microsoft and Sony end up launching their next consoles and how big the difference between them and the Wii U are. Really, as long as the PS3 and 360 continue to see support, which should extend well beyond the launches of their successors, the Wii U will likely get most of those games as well as long as it sells decently. After that, it depends on the user base and the scalability of the tech the game uses.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 12, 2012, 12:54:44 AM
If the Wii U is closer to the PS360 than the PS420 then it might actually help to extend the life span of the PS360. PS420 development might end up being very costly, or maybe the consoles will see slow growth due to cost or whatever so game developers may choose to stay where they are, and maybe the games the PS420 does get for the most part may just be the same game more or less that the Wii U gets.
That's how it was during the PS2 era where development was centered on the PS2, and then if those games ended up ported to the GC or Xbox they tended to just be ported as they were rather than enhanced to take advantage of those system's greater power.
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Post by: ThePerm on June 12, 2012, 01:05:09 AM
i hope im wrong but
Grand Theft Auto Final Fantasy Main Series new Metal Gear games that are not remakes
but here are the games that seem more likely to join the Nintendo world thanks to recent developments Grand Theft Auto Final Fantasy Main Series new Metal Gear games that are not remakes
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 12, 2012, 01:10:29 AM
I think Battlefield 3 probably won't be coming to WiiU. If it was going to EA probably would have announced it at E3. That said, I think it would have made a lot more sense than the ME3 game they DID announce.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 12, 2012, 01:23:59 AM
EA didn't announce anything for Wii U. Mass Effect was in Nintendo's sizzle reel, but no one in the EA booth was willing to say anything about the game beyond the fact it exists. EA is going to do their Wii U announcements at a later date, based on every conversation I had at the show with anybody working for EA. Whether that will go beyond Mass Effect, Madden and FIFA I don't know, but you shouldn't assume EA isn't doing anything until their event happens.
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Post by: Pixelated Pixies on June 12, 2012, 01:43:09 AM
I'm actually going to be bold here and select a Nintendo game. I don't think we'll be getting Mother 4. I know that sounds crazy, but I just get this feeling.
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 12, 2012, 01:46:19 AM
EA wants to talk about Origin on Wii U?
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Post by: ThePerm on June 12, 2012, 02:42:41 AM
I'm actually going to be bold here and select a Nintendo game. I don't think we'll be getting Mother 4. I know that sounds crazy, but I just get this feeling.
well didnt people at Nintendo say something to that extant? dont remember who, but i do recall someone saying the series was so old/obscure they were debating on whether to keep putting Ness in. Which is silly to me, i think of smash bros as a billboard telling us what games we should nerd out over. They could use Smash to reinvigorate all sorts of characters. I never played mach rider till smash bros, and now i have this crazy version of it in my head that should exist someday.
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Post by: Tamazoid on June 12, 2012, 03:13:01 AM
Nintendo has basically said that they will not continue the Mother series without Itoi, who has said he has no plans to continue the series. So unless Itoi decides to make another game (which I doubt since I think I read that he had to be dragged back to finish Mother 3) the series is dead. As I understand Itoi was burned by the development cycle during Mother 3 which started as a 64 game. According to Wikipedia he has no reluctance for someone else to continue the series so I guess it's up for Nintendo to find someone to make Mother 4.
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Post by: Kairon on June 12, 2012, 03:26:28 AM
Oh god I didn't even think about Mother 4. T-T
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Post by: Kytim89 on June 12, 2012, 03:34:06 AM
Old third party titles will be sold on the Wii U eShop to help the Nintendo fans play catchup with eveyone else. I do not see Gears of War, or any other Epic titile, ever being on the Wii U. Also, while there is a good chance of GTA V being on the Wii U, I am still on the fence as to whether it will make it or not. Most of the Japanese third party titles will be on the Wii U though.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 12, 2012, 03:58:03 AM
Old third party titles will be sold on the Wii U eShop to help the Nintendo fans play catchup with eveyone else.
No they won't. That would be a waste of resources. If you want those games, buy a PS3 or 360; they are definitely worth it in terms of exclusives.
I think you are both half right. I don't think every third party game will show up on the eShop, but at the same time there's not going to be none at all either. The answer is somewhere in the middle: there will be some. Exactly how many that will be is impossible to predict.
And as far as it being a "waste of resources", its not... companies like EA are notorious for milking their games to death over as many platforms as possible. I think the fact they are bringing ME3 to the Wii U is solid evidence the same is going to happen with other games over the eShop.
It also helps that the WiiU architecture is so similar to that of the 360. This will making porting the old games over easy and inexpensive. I don't know what it costs, but if there is a profit to be made it will be done.
Why buy a $249.99 PS3 or $149.99 360 (plus a hard drive) to play these exclusives if they are coming to the WiiU anyway? Many people only own one console, so having these games come to the Wii U would be a great opportunity for them to catch up on these that they missed by only owning a Wii these last 6 years.
Since this is a Nintendo fan site I don't think anyone (that should go double for the Staff, btw) should be telling people "the Wii U is not for you", or "buy a PS360 instead". If you can get all your gaming needs done on one system then its better that it be a Nintendo system.
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Post by: Ymeegod on June 12, 2012, 08:12:27 AM
Why not just buy an Xbox 360 or PS3? Should be cheaper (you can find them on craigslist for $100-150 for xbox 360) and $150=200 for PS3) than buying an WII U at launch and the games are that much cheaper...plenty of greatest hits to last you an while. ----------------------- In the past, late ports never sell all that well. Hense why you don't see to many of them porting over to the WII U. For one thing you're trying to repackaged the same game, all the hype and word of mouth has already died down. As for eshop that only applies to people who have bandwidth and bothered to hook up the console? Meaning if the publisher goes straight to eshop they are limiting themselves to less than 1/3rd of the console userbase.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 12, 2012, 08:30:15 AM
I understand that it costs money to publish a game and manufacture the discs and all that, and then ship it off to retailers, but the eShop eliminates 99% of that cost. Sure, you have to port the game to be able to run on the hardware (and on the Wii U that should be easy due to sharing the same architecture), but once you have the port ready it costs you virtually nothing to upload it onto the eShop. You don't have to spend money on the manufacturing of discs, or anything like that. You just upload it once to the server, and that's it... then it just prints money for you from then on out.
All companies are interested in making a profit, and if they can make a quick and easy buck by uploading last gen titles on the eShop why the hell not? They might not sell all that well because they're old games, but here's the part you need to understand: they don't need to sell well! The only cost is the minimal cost of porting and tossing it on to the eshop. The game is already made, and you don't need to open up a production line in a factory to make discs or anything like that. It couldn't be any cheaper, so why the hell not?
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Post by: Ymeegod on June 12, 2012, 08:59:29 AM
Unless the WII U is open, you'll going be paying Nintendo for royalities and server fees. Can't recall the developer but you hear about the issues with XBLA, after paying all the fees the publisher really doesn't make all that much.
Of course that would change if Nintendo had an open system where developers could host their own marketplace but right now the WII U is an closed system as far as I can tell.
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Post by: Kytim89 on June 12, 2012, 08:48:24 PM
Pay full price for GTA V on the Wii U and get a download code for La Noire or Red Dead Redemption Game Pad edition for $14.99. By allowing older games onto the eShop you open up its library to thousands of quality titles. Also, it would help attract new customers to buy the newer games already on the eShop such as what is developed by indie developers.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 12, 2012, 10:29:43 PM
The eShop doesn't eliminate the cost of actually porting the game, which is not insignificant even if it's barebones. It is most likely not worth it to the developer to spend the time and money for such a small payoff. I don't want these companies to be wasting studios that could be working on actual new content on bullshit like that.
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Post by: ThePerm on June 13, 2012, 11:42:01 AM
I dont think Mystique's Custard's Revenge will be coming to Wii U
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 13, 2012, 12:06:04 PM
I dont think Mystique's Custard's Revenge will be coming to Wii U
It won't come to any console because no console manufacturer allows for AO rated games, and AO is definitely the rating Custer's Revenge would be assigned by the ESRB.
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Post by: Kairon on June 14, 2012, 02:40:15 PM
I guess I can add Dead Space (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/30754) to my list.
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Post by: Louieturkey on June 14, 2012, 04:02:33 PM
I guess I can add Dead Space (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/30754) to my list.
That doesn't mean it's not coming. Maybe they will test the market with a port of 1 & 2 together (possibly with the HD upgrade of Extraction as well) before putting resources to porting it to the Wii U.
Right now, the only games I can guarantee won't be coming to the Wii U are Sony and M$ first party titles and Mass Effect 1. Everything else is up for grabs at this point regardless of what developers are saying.
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Post by: ThePerm on June 16, 2012, 02:31:05 PM
I dont think Mystique's Custard's Revenge will be coming to Wii U
It won't come to any console because no console manufacturer allows for AO rated games, and AO is definitely the rating Custer's Revenge would be assigned by the ESRB.
well yeah that was the point, and also Mystique is very very out of business.
I wonder if we'll get Q-bert? When i was in 7th grade i used to draw Q-bert fan art as if Q-bert would make a comeback for n64, while i doubt they'll make a new Q-bert did it ever show up on Virtual Console on Wii? and/or will it show up on Wii U?
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 16, 2012, 02:49:46 PM
Halo.
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Post by: Shaymin on June 16, 2012, 05:15:29 PM
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 16, 2012, 06:24:48 PM
Halo won't, but whatever Bungie's working on right now might.
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Post by: Kytim89 on June 19, 2012, 01:40:33 AM
It appears that Take Two's CEO is not interested in bringing over mature content to the Wii U because it, in his words, "skeptical." I guess this means that I can not look forward to Max Payne 3, Spec Ops, and GTA V being on the Wii U?
Whatever you think of Take-Two or its boss, the company's principles are clear and they don't deviate from them. Titles like Max Payne and BioShock and Spec Ops: The Line get delayed because the publisher won't put out anything before it's truly ready. And it'll walk from high profile licenses like Major League Baseball because it sees no value in doing second-rate games. So when Take-Two CEO Strauss Zelnick notes that the company has no plans to move any of its mature titles over to the Wii U, that's a significant appraisal of the system's perceived appeal. "I'm skeptical," he told Gamasutra in an interview notable for an executive's candid commitment to artistic quality. But not skeptical of new hardware in general. Zelnick noted that a new console generation helps "separate the winners from the losers," and Take-Two plans to be a winner. He's also not keen on milking cash cow franchises every year until they're depleted. "We're not trying to create something good and market the hell out of it," he said. "We're trying to delight customers with something great — and market hell out of it."
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 19, 2012, 02:14:58 AM
To ignore Kytim's point and address something from what he quoted, I'm impressed that 2K was willing to admit they suck at making baseball games and just give up and walk away. It takes a lot of integrity to just say "**** it, we haven't made a good baseball game in over 10 years of trying." and leave it at that, and not run it (further) into the ground out of pride.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 19, 2012, 07:12:43 AM
And as for Kytime's point, this is EXACTLY what I was afraid was going to happen. With Take Two's CEO saying they won't support the Wii U with Mature content this is a total repeat of the situation with the Gamecube and Wii all over again. Nothing appears to have improved.
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Post by: Adrock on June 19, 2012, 08:07:41 AM
It's indeed unfortunate. I'm not sure anything would have played out differently unless Nintendo just flat-out threw wads of cash in Zelnick's face. Take Two is taking a wait and see approach. I get it. I probably wouldn't have bought any of their games on Wii U, but it'd be nice if the games were available.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 19, 2012, 10:29:27 AM
If Nintendo's focus is on games such as Nintendo Land and Wii Fit U then that's what the focus of the Wii U is going to be. 3rd parties will more or less go along in the direction that Nintendo is going. They aren't going to go against the grain and release hardcore titles if Nintendo themselves isn't doing it. Nintendo's 1st party focus will set the tone of the console, just like what happened on the Wii.
The answer isn't for Nintendo to throw money in Zelnick's face, but rather show them the way and leading by example. Sony and Microsoft have no problem creating their own 1st and 2nd party mature hardcore content, so Nintendo needs to follow suit in order to be competitive. Zelnick is taking a "wait and see" approach, but unless Nintendo takes the initiative and makes it happen then it probably never will.
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Post by: Adrock on June 19, 2012, 11:27:24 AM
If that was the case, why are other companies putting "mature" titles on Wii U? These companies, Take Two included, don't need Nintendo to "lead by example." That would be total bullshit anyway. These are the same companies that claim they can't compete against Nintendo on Nintendo hardware and they suddenly want Nintendo to make similar types of games so, by their own logic, they'll have even more trouble selling games on Nintendo hardware? That doesn't make sense. All of these 3rd parties are run differently. I see a company like Ubisoft that's filling the void on Wii U because they know Nintendo doesn't make a zombie game or a stealth game. They're trying to take advantage of a demand that's up for grabs while Take Two wants to see more demand. It's difficult to determine which approach is more beneficial. As a 3rd party, do you create demand or wait for demand to be created? Nintendo is giving 3rd parties the tools. I don't think Nintendo has ever been this accommodating: the GamePad and Pro Controller are anything but limiting, Nintendo Network is apparently vastly improved over their previous quarter-ass attempts at online gaming, AND they asked for feedback.
On top of that, Nintendo is Nintendo because they make Nintendo games. They don't "follow suit." They go their own way and that's what is so appealing about their games. If you want stuff like Halo and God of War, go play them on the consoles they're made for. I'm glad Nintendo hasn't tried to make those kinds of games because they wouldn't know where to begin. It wouldn't feel genuine and you'd end up with something that tries too hard thematically, like Twilight Princess or Other M.
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Post by: house3136 on June 19, 2012, 03:29:15 PM
I would be kind of surprised if Watch Dogs didn’t come to Wii U, considering a lot of the city map and toolkit could be relegated to the bottom screen and have interactivity in some way; and hopefully not just because it’s there, but in some fun, meaningful way. The demo had a lot of smartphone stuff that looks like it would lend itself naturally to the GamePad. Yves Guillemot confirmed it for PS360, I don’t see why it shouldn’t be on Wii U. If Ubisoft thinks a game like ZombiU will sell on Wii U, I’m assuming that same demographic will also be interested in Watch Dogs. I just want it to turn out as good as everyone believes it will. I just hope that if ZombiU has initially slow sales, that it doesn’t detrimentally tarnish 3rd-party’s perception of the console. I think Assassin’s Creed will sell well no matter what. Either way, Ubisoft has so many games on the console they don’t have to worry about getting burned (it’s not like they’re going to take back Just Dance 4). However, Ubisoft is one of the biggest offenders of shovelware on Wii. And I’ve been trying not to give into the negativity that Wii U will be substantially behind again, which I don’t think is even possible, unless the competition really wants to go bankrupt. Losing $200-300 per console for the first couple years of its life cycle isn’t a viable profit strategy. But for some reason people don’t understand why Nintendo can’t do this (because it’s suicide). I’ll take one quality game over 10 Party Babyz any day. 3rd-party just needs to realize, Nintendo games sell extremely well because they have a track record of excellence; so that when you purchase their games, you know they’re quality. If you throw a steaming pile on the shelf, and someone gets screwed out of $60, guess what, they’ll never buy your games again, and rightfully so. 3rd-partys that are on the fence are watching; I just pray that by March 31, the numbers look good.
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Post by: Evan_B on June 19, 2012, 03:33:17 PM
If Watch Dogs comes out on the Wii U, I want the protagonist's in-game tool to be a Wii U gamepad, not a smartphone.
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Post by: ThePerm on June 19, 2012, 05:19:30 PM
You know im tempted to start a kick starter to develop a mature game for Wii u using the source engine. I know the source engine pretty well and my only problem when i was making my levels was i didn't have the ability to move stuff from a real 3d program to source engine, if i had the money i would buy all sorts of **** to make that work. Gabe Newell was talking about Wii U a year ago, and im thinking maybe they have something running on wii u, which i can just port my assets from pc to wii u. Im sure if I raised 100k i could develop a game in 8 months. Whether it would be good or not would be up to people. The decision would really whether to make something revolutionary or something thats simply good but conventional.
Though to be honest, I rather have my own engine. Having used many different level design utilities I would want something thats a hybrid of all the ones iv used for ease of use and convenience. I would need a team of some really good programmers for that sort of thing and that takes more than 100k.
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Post by: house3136 on June 20, 2012, 02:01:56 AM
With that trench coat the main character was wearing it may be possible. *Whips out GamePad* “Let’s deactivate these traffic lights.” That would be hilarious and surreal at the same time.
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Post by: the asylum on June 28, 2012, 07:57:47 PM
Tales Of [...] Metal Gear Solid And anything Final Fantasy that isn't a shallow spinoff
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Post by: Kairon on June 28, 2012, 10:10:16 PM
... I don't know why I'm saying that. I'm actually not a fan of ToS. But I like JRPGs, so I guess it's a matter of principle.
As for Final Fantasy, I'd love for the mainline series to come to the Wii U. But I've hardened myself for the possibility that it may only be a pipe dream.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 28, 2012, 10:21:19 PM
They put FFXIII on the 360. The Wii U will get mainline Final Fantasy if it's capable of running it; Square Enix can't afford not to support Nintendo if it's a reasonable option.
EDIT: This is assuming they don't break down and put the game on handhelds, which is what the Japanese market would want anyway, in which case it would be on the 3DS.
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Post by: Kytim89 on June 29, 2012, 03:01:53 AM
I would love for Gears of War to be on the Wii U.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 29, 2012, 04:12:02 AM
Which is impossible, because it's Microsoft exclusive.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 29, 2012, 01:03:45 PM
Which is impossible, because it's Microsoft exclusive.
Its not impossible, but it is extremely unlikely...
Microsoft has exclusive publishing rights, but the franchise itself is owned by Epic Games. So its just like the situation with Mass Effect 1. As we know, Microsoft's exclusive rights to that game didn't prevent ME2 and 3 from coming to other platforms. So at least in theory further GoW games could come to competing platforms. Its not impossible, but again its probably not likely.
Also, Microsoft's exclusive rights to the existing GoW games probably isn't permanent. Eventually that will probably expire, just as their exclusive rights to ME1 will eventually expire (if it hasn't already).
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Post by: rlse9 on June 29, 2012, 10:50:10 PM
I think the more interesting question might be which Nintendo series won't be coming to the Wii U? I never would have guessed that the Wii wouldn't get a new Pikmin game. I was also surprised that there wasn't a new Wave Race, the N64 version was great and Blue Storm was a good followup but it also got passed over last generation.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 30, 2012, 03:20:06 AM
I think the more interesting question might be which Nintendo series won't be coming to the Wii U?
One possibility is the Metroid franchise. We know Retro doesn't want to work on it anymore, and considering that Other M was a commercial and critical failure its doubtful whether Sakamoto wants to do it again anytime soon, or if he does want to do it if he would even be allowed to touch it.
The Wii U might be like the N64 and be completely void of any Metroid games. Maybe Nintendo figures it needs a hiatus after the Other M fiasco.
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Post by: nickmitch on June 30, 2012, 03:59:27 AM
If the series goes back to 2D, it could still be on Wii U. It'd be perfect for that "play it on just the uPad" functionality Nintendo is pushing. Besides, it would really benefit from being on the 3DS.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 30, 2012, 04:22:46 AM
I'd say we'd be more likely to see 2D Metroid if it were on the 3DS, but since Japan has proven time and time again not to care about the series I'm not so sure.
The sad thing is, realistically, a 2D Metroid on Wii U done right would be beloved by critics and then sell 300,000 copies.
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Post by: Stogi on June 30, 2012, 08:00:50 PM
I want to hold the gamepad up to access scan mode.
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Post by: Tamazoid on July 01, 2012, 02:27:23 PM
*Insert name here* of Thunder.
RIP Hudson Soft :'(
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 02, 2012, 09:59:04 AM
Hudson going away isn't a big deal IMO. For years they have been owned by Konami anyways, so Konami could keep releasing them anyways.
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Post by: S-U-P-E-R on July 02, 2012, 10:52:49 AM
All of them :smug:
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Post by: Sarail on July 02, 2012, 06:20:16 PM
Though, I'm almost inclined to say this very well could happen if core gamers don't latch on to the system in its first year or two. Could be a very rough console gen for Nintendo next go around. I sure hope not, though. I want 'em to succeed.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 02, 2012, 06:25:40 PM
Could be a very rough console gen for Nintendo next go around.
They could still print money from casual suckers even if the core support isn't there. That's something that's already happened on the Wii. If it happens again on the Wii U Nintendo will be doing just fine. Its only the core fans who will suffer.
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Post by: Sarail on July 02, 2012, 06:27:53 PM
Could be a very rough console gen for Nintendo next go around.
They could still print money from casual suckers even if the core support isn't there. That's something that's already happened on the Wii. If it happens again on the Wii U Nintendo will be doing just fine. Its only the core fans who will suffer.
I guess I meant that more in terms of mindshare among the gamer populace. I think if Nintendo fails us this next gen, it could very well be over for Nintendo as far as the core gamer goes.
No doubt at all that the company is going to be financially successful, though.
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Post by: Kairon on July 02, 2012, 06:29:38 PM
Could be a very rough console gen for Nintendo next go around.
They could still print money from casual suckers even if the core support isn't there. That's something that's already happened on the Wii. If it happens again on the Wii U Nintendo will be doing just fine. Its only the core fans who will suffer.
I think it's possible that Nintendo retrenches and survives if they have a disastrous generation with little to no third party support. We've seen them do it before with the N64 (35 million worldwide userbase) and GC (20 million worldwide userbase). And I think as recent threads on this board has shown, there are still many Nintendo fans who really loved those systems, so it wouldn't be all bad. I just hope that the Wii U plays out better than that.
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Post by: Sarail on July 02, 2012, 06:32:19 PM
I really hope so, too.
I just want a Nintendo console with all of their fantastic first-party support, an excellent serving of all the major third-party releases, and a complete, competent online eShop and network infrastructure.
Gimme that, Nintendo, and I'll be as high as a kite. :)
Title: Re: What game series do you think won't be coming to the Wii U?
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on July 02, 2012, 06:53:19 PM
Alternatively, the Wii U might only get the low-effort spinoff games if if the developers are forced to use the touchscreen controls.
Title: Re: What game series do you think won't be coming to the Wii U?
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 02, 2012, 06:57:34 PM
Developers won't be forced to use the touchscreen controls, I think there were games at E3 that didn't use it. At most, they might have to have something displayed on the screen. Besides, the DS and 3DS did not suffer because of it, and only crap like licensed games would have less effort because of it. The Wii only got so many spin-offs because graphically it couldn't handle straight ports.
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Post by: S-U-P-E-R on July 03, 2012, 09:57:52 AM
I can't help but think that it was mandatory for DS games to have touch screen features, but I might be imagining it
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Post by: rlse9 on July 03, 2012, 02:27:55 PM
I can't help but think that it was mandatory for DS games to have touch screen features, but I might be imagining it
Mario Kart DS didn't use the touch screen in any way, did it? If one of Nintendo's most popular games didn't use the touch screen, I can't imagine they required others to use it.
Title: Re: What game series do you think won't be coming to the Wii U?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 03, 2012, 03:18:32 PM
If 3D isn't required on the 3DS even though it's in the freaking name I doubt any features on the Wii U will be required.
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Post by: Louieturkey on July 03, 2012, 07:20:49 PM
I could definitely see some quick and dirty ports of 360 games without touchscreen support coming to the Wii U. You can use four pro controllers after all and that's pretty much a slightly modified 360 controller.
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Post by: Kairon on July 04, 2012, 12:09:19 AM
I know plenty of people will turn up their nose at the idea, but I'd love lots of straight ports to the Wii U. I'm a one-console gamer, so I definitely don't see this as a bad thing for my personal gaming experience.
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Post by: MegaByte on July 04, 2012, 01:21:26 AM
If 3D isn't required on the 3DS even though it's in the freaking name I doubt any features on the Wii U will be required.
YOU are not required. The games play themselves.
So that's how they plan on winning over the casual market this time?
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 04, 2012, 02:34:55 AM
The 3 in 3DS doesn't refer to 3D. It simply means its the 3rd DS system (the short lived DSi counts as the 2DS).
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 04, 2012, 02:59:23 AM
I'm going to need a source on that, because that goes against literally everything else I've heard on the subject.
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Post by: ymeegod on July 04, 2012, 11:32:35 AM
DSI (individual) was actually the thrid DS. You had the DS/DSL/DSI/DSIXL.
3DS is actual "3D system" for nintendo systems. DS stood for developers system though the public called it for Dualscreen. That's info is from nintendo's website.
Though nobody put's the N (in front) but the full name would be N3DS (nintendo 3d sytem).
WII (Wireless Interactive Interface) Not sure what the U means.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 04, 2012, 04:49:36 PM
Lite and XL models shouldn't count. The DSi was different than the other revisions because it added online downloads and a built in camera and other things.
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Post by: rlse9 on July 04, 2012, 09:57:35 PM
Lite and XL models shouldn't count. The DSi was different than the other revisions because it added online downloads and a built in camera and other things.
I'd agree that Lite and XL models don't count but I'd say that DSi was more like DS 1.1, not DS 2. Sure it added some new features and DSiWare but the retail games were all still regular DS games.
Whether or not Nintendo meant the name to mean 3D or not, it seems that's what the public is going to think it means regardless.
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Post by: Louieturkey on July 05, 2012, 02:10:33 PM
Lite and XL models shouldn't count. The DSi was different than the other revisions because it added online downloads and a built in camera and other things.
I'd agree that Lite and XL models don't count but I'd say that DSi was more like DS 1.1, not DS 2. Sure it added some new features and DSiWare but the retail games were all still regular DS games.
Whether or not Nintendo meant the name to mean 3D or not, it seems that's what the public is going to think it means regardless.
It's probably best to say the DSi was to the DS as the GBC was to the GB.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 05, 2012, 02:21:43 PM
Lite and XL models shouldn't count. The DSi was different than the other revisions because it added online downloads and a built in camera and other things.
I'd agree that Lite and XL models don't count but I'd say that DSi was more like DS 1.1, not DS 2. Sure it added some new features and DSiWare but the retail games were all still regular DS games.
Whether or not Nintendo meant the name to mean 3D or not, it seems that's what the public is going to think it means regardless.
It's probably best to say the DSi was to the DS as the GBC was to the GB.
Not really, Game Boy Color was a new system and not just a re-design.
Title: Re: What game series do you think won't be coming to the Wii U?
Post by: Louieturkey on July 05, 2012, 02:30:18 PM
Lite and XL models shouldn't count. The DSi was different than the other revisions because it added online downloads and a built in camera and other things.
I'd agree that Lite and XL models don't count but I'd say that DSi was more like DS 1.1, not DS 2. Sure it added some new features and DSiWare but the retail games were all still regular DS games.
Whether or not Nintendo meant the name to mean 3D or not, it seems that's what the public is going to think it means regardless.
It's probably best to say the DSi was to the DS as the GBC was to the GB.
Not really, Game Boy Color was a new system and not just a re-design.
GBC had a minor bump in specs, same with DSi. GBC had about less than 5% of all games made after it was released exclusive to it. All other games could be played on GB, same with DSi and DS. GBC was released 2 years before the GBA was released. DSi was released 2 years before the 3DS was released. GBC looked exactly the same as the GBP outside of a battery bulge. DSi looked exactly the same as the DSL, outside of the camera.
How are they not similar?
Title: Re: What game series do you think won't be coming to the Wii U?
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 05, 2012, 02:33:14 PM
Because it was a new system. It was just a stopgap one, give them time to work on the net one, but still new. You are stretching to find similarities.
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Post by: Louieturkey on July 05, 2012, 02:44:58 PM
DSi was not a new system, it was the second redesign of the DS.
That doesn't change the fact that it functioned very similar to the roll that the GBC played. It doesn't matter what the original intention was of either system. They filled the same roll as a stopgap and that was my point. DSi added functionality that was not in the original DS or DSL. GBC, while originally intended to be a new system, added minor new functionality that was not in the original GB or GBP.
Intention and reality are not always the same thing.
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Post by: Ian Sane on July 05, 2012, 04:31:25 PM
There is a such a thing as a DSi game. They made games that could not be played on the DS. There is no such thing as a DS Lite game. A DS Lite game and a DS game are the same thing. That's the difference. A new platform is indicated by new software that only works on it. Prior to the 3DS coming out, DSi games were only playable on a DSi. So it's another system, just a REALLY lame one that had little to distinguish it. The GBC in comparison had some essential classics made for it.
Though I don't think the name "3DS" was ever meant to mean anything other than to emphasize its 3D capabilities.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 05, 2012, 05:28:46 PM
