| Nintendo Press Conference: | 9:00 AM - 10:00 AM PST |
| 12:00 PM - 1:00 PM EST | |
| 5:00 PM - 6:00 PM GMT+1 | |
TV Broadcast: | Yes - SpikeTV |
Links: | GameTrailers (http://www.gametrailers.com/netstorage/e3/live.html), IGN (http://www.ign.com/events/e3/2012/live-video), Official Nintendo Stream, Giant Bomb (http://www.giantbomb.com/), Gamespot (http://e3.gamespot.com/press-conference/nintendo-e3/), Nintendo World Report (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/blog/30457) |
| Nintendo 3DS Press Conference: | 6:00 PM - 7:30 PM (?) PST |
| 9:00 PM - 10:30 PM (?) EST | |
| 2:00 AM - 3:30 AM (?) GMT+1 | |
TV Broadcast: | No |
Links: | Official Nintendo E3 Website (http://e3.nintendo.com/), Nintendo World Report (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/blog/30607) |
Last year, I requested off for my birthday though I really just wanted to watch Nintendo's press conference. This year, I'm using PTO to leave work early so I can watch the press conference. Lame? Bitch, please. Awesome? Indubitably.I'm taking PTO as well. It seems to be what I do with Nintendo conferences. I did it the year before as well.
Day 1 is like Christmas Eve, but Nintendo's day is Christmas. Hopefully Reggie and his elves are hard at work to make this E3-Christmas extra special this year. :)
Day 1 is like Christmas Eve, but Nintendo's day is Christmas. Hopefully Reggie and his elves are hard at work to make this E3-Christmas extra special this year. :)
Last year, I requested off for my birthday though I really just wanted to watch Nintendo's press conference. This year, I'm using PTO to leave work early so I can watch the press conference. Lame? Bitch, please. Awesome? Indubitably.
Count me into the PTO parade (though they asked me). Probably going to flip over to Spike (TV) and troll the chatroom.
Count me into the PTO parade (though they asked me). Probably going to flip over to Spike (TV) and troll the chatroom.
Having anybody in the chatroom is a nice thing.
Yesterday was a really tough act to follow. Microsoft and Sony really set the bar of awesomeness very high on the first day. Does Nintendo have what it takes to top that and steal E3 2012? It will be a tremendous challenge, for sure.Were we watching the same Presentations? Microsoft looked like a Nintendo Presentation Circa Gamecube era complete with Metroid Prime and GBA-GCN Connectivity. Sony was a bit more competant and I did like the Wonderbook stuff but, all the Demos were way way to long. Not to mention Sony couldn't put non-choppy video on there own device.
2 hours to go until all is unveiled. Kick Ass.
However this conference goes today, it will likely be the only one with several big surprises, and there's a part of me that yearns for the days where everything at E3 was a surprise. Think for a moment: that new Ubisoft IP, Watch Dogs, was basically the only new announcement yesterday and the buzz in the gaming media is uniformly positive, with some hailing it as Game of the Show so far.
Who knows? No sense speculating any more when so little time is left.
I should have taken PTO. I have absolutetly nothing really to do tomorrow...I hope you called in sick then.
Rayman Legends looks pretty. It's one of the best looking games on the show simply because of its art direction. When the leaked trailer came out a few weeks ago, I was hyped just because it looked amazing. However, I'm not sure I would find it fun since the enjoyment seems to be from its multiplayer aspect and gathering that many people to play Rayman doesn't seem like it's going to happen terribly often.I finally got around to watching the Ubi presser and it looks like it is New Super Rayman Bros Wii U really. The one character even turned into bubble form when he died a la NSMBWii.
I really hope that Nintendo's set to blow me away with Wii U at this press conference, because my anticipation for it right now couldn't be any lower and this E3 has been largely a bust so far. The Ubisoft press conference was surprisingly excellent, but at this point saying that Nintendo will "win" E3 with their press conference is an extremely low bar to hit. Given that, IMO, "succeeding through low expectations" pretty much sums up the Wii years, I want Nintendo to really just hit it out of the park today. Hell, maybe they can even give me a reason to want a 3DS despite the migranes that display gives me.You can turn off the 3D. My guess is it'll be a whole lot less strain for you. Though I'm guessing you knew that too so I have no idea why I said this.
I brought my Laptop to work to watch at lunch.I should have taken PTO. I have absolutetly nothing really to do tomorrow...I hope you called in sick then.
You can turn off the 3D. My guess is it'll be a whole lot less strain for you. Though I'm guessing you knew that too so I have no idea why I said this.
See I think they really did a disservice with calling it the 3DS. Mostly because the 3D is probably on of the lowest reason you should get the system.You can turn off the 3D. My guess is it'll be a whole lot less strain for you. Though I'm guessing you knew that too so I have no idea why I said this.
As I've said before, I have issues paying $150+ for a device whose main selling point I can't use. Sure, you can turn the 3D off but that basically takes away the supposed point of the "3DS".
You can turn off the 3D. My guess is it'll be a whole lot less strain for you. Though I'm guessing you knew that too so I have no idea why I said this.
As I've said before, I have issues paying $150+ for a device whose main selling point I can't use. Sure, you can turn the 3D off but that basically takes away the supposed point of the "3DS".
You can turn off the 3D. My guess is it'll be a whole lot less strain for you. Though I'm guessing you knew that too so I have no idea why I said this.
As I've said before, I have issues paying $150+ for a device whose main selling point I can't use. Sure, you can turn the 3D off but that basically takes away the supposed point of the "3DS".
Would you pay $150 for a DS2?
Is it just me, or does the press conference now feel like it's gone off the rails with this NintendoLand stuff?No, it's not just you. Very strong start but 3rd party support is still lacking and oddly enough, so is 1st party support. Only Pikmin 3 and NSMBU are Nintendo's only core games announced.
I never thought I'd say this, but...
Ubisoft won E3.
Nintendo spent too much time not talking about games.I felt they spent too much time talking about how that they were going to be talking about games.
I never thought I'd say this, but...
Ubisoft won E3.
I don't feel like I have any worthwhile new information at all.2 GamePad support. That was important even if it should have been confirmed last year.
It seems some of you don't understand Nintendo. Nintendo's core audience is, and will always be families and family friendly entertainment. In appealing to that audience they did a great job. NSMB U, Nintendo Land and Wii Fit U are three games that are guaranteed system sellers that will end up selling over 20 million copies each.
But when Nintendo says they are going to have a greater focus on the core, they really should deliver on that statement.
Another big omission: Darksiders II. Not even in the sizzle reel, even though the devs have given a lot of love to Nintendo.
Shh. Logic doesn't belong here. We should all be emotional and whiny.There's a difference between whiny and disappointed. The presentation was a little uneven. This is E3. No one came to see Wii Fit again. No one. Nintendo has been talking about appealing to core gamers then spends more time on NintendoLand and Wii Fit U than anything else. Then, they brought 3rd party guys up to talking about dancing and singing. I understand that Nintendo can't show everything. That's not the expectation. If anyone was expecting (not simply hoping) for Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Star Fox AND F-Zero, take a chill pill and a nap. Last year, Nintendo did a really good job of showing off 3DS titles that wouldn't see release until later this year and even next. I had the same expectation for Wii U at this E3 which I think is reasonable considering there's precedent for it. Is Pikmin 3 even a launch title?
But Nintendo didn't show games for meeeeeee. That's what Iiiiii wanted...
I maintain that Nintendo used to just be a videogame company that made games for people that like videogames. They often made family friendly stuff but they didn't actually become kiddy until Iwata took over. They didn't become bland until Iwata took over. They make formulaic mass market product now. They used to push the envelope.I think you just grew up.
No one came to see Wii Fit again. No one.
Who Attends
In 2012, leading computer and video game companies, business partners, media and industry analysts from over 100 countries will converge on the Los Angeles Convention Center.
E3 2012 will welcome software developers, buyers and retailers, programmers, distributors, entertainment industry representatives, financiers and venture capitalists, importers and exporters, manufacturers, resellers, researchers, educators, financial and industry analysts and worldwide electronic and print media.
Who is going to be drawn to the system because it has this screen?/raises hand
No one except the retailers that sold 40+ Million Wii Fit units.No one needs to see Wii Fit again because people already know what it is. Nintendo spent all of that time and the only really new thing about it was the pedometer. If they showed 2 Wii Fit Boards being used on a single console or even video chat with someone else who is doing the exercises with you, I would understand spending the amount of time Nintendo spent on Wii Fit U. What we got was the same basic demo we saw twice before.
E3 is a show for retailers, investors and, to some extent, media.
It's a Trade Fair. It's not meant for us.
I love how a lot of people wonder why 3rd parties don't support Nintendo Systems and then totally ignore the 3rd party stuff. Also the Nintendoland Demo was way way to long.
Someone called me out earlier on my comment that E3 is for investors. I don't recall who that was, but to you, I say, p'shaw!
http://www.e3expo.com/show-info/1101/about-e3/ (http://www.e3expo.com/show-info/1101/about-e3/)QuoteWho Attends
In 2012, leading computer and video game companies, business partners, media and industry analysts from over 100 countries will converge on the Los Angeles Convention Center.
E3 2012 will welcome software developers, buyers and retailers, programmers, distributors, entertainment industry representatives, financiers and venture capitalists, importers and exporters, manufacturers, resellers, researchers, educators, financial and industry analysts and worldwide electronic and print media.
Again, E3 isn't and was never meant for *us*. PAX is what you want.
I'm really pissed there was no talk of the eShop for WiiU. I know I'm not the only one either. Chasing Aurora looks like a game I want to try, and I really wanted to know what the future holds for the eShop at launch.
Like I said before, the conferences are only the beginning salvo for E3. We've got 3 days of impressions articles and videos ahead, and that's what will keep you best informed. Depending on the reception from the show floor, I may or may not be convinced.
The other problem is the lack of third party exclusives.Well, you're not going to get a lot of those and you know what? That's okay. Ports of last year's major titles are okay too... so long as they're supplemented by ports of games that are being released in the coming months. That's what was missing. Square Enix announced months ago that Tomb Raider wasn't getting ported to Wii U, but that was before it got delayed. Is it still not coming to Wii U? How hard is it to port the game? I believe Vigil Games said that they ported Darksiders II to the Wii U in 3 weeks. That said, it's almost like 3rd parties are still giving Nintendo the cold shoulder and that's obviously a bad thing.
Who knows, maybe there will be a new Space World this year.
P-100 wasn't shown because Mr. New York Times Reader doesn't care about P-100. He wouldn't even care for the new Call of Duty, if it hadn't sold more than the entire movie industry combined last year.And you think he cares about The Last of Us or Splinter Cell? I'm not even really convinced he cares about Wii Fit. Is he really reading The New York Times for videogame news?
I would think that investors would want to know what the long-term plans are for the Wii U.
Also, this is powerful hardware, the games they show off shouldn't be stuff that could be achieved on gamecube. The only wow game from Nintendo was Pikmin 3.
Curious - some of the more archive-al posters may have an answer to this... What major "core" new-IP games has Nintendo historically shown off at E3 Press Conferences?
Nintendo only uses E3 to show of their big sellers for the end rest of their current fiscal year which they've done for the last several years and did the same this year.
This is why people shouldn't have been surprised by this conference since it played out the same way all of Nintendo's conferences have gone the last several years.
Pedometer wasn't new?Running Wii Fit independent of the TV isn't new. Nintendo announce that capability last year. The pedometer is Malibu Stacy with a new hat. The software is largely the same. I think the things I suggested (if possible) would have been difference makers. They would be worthy of spending all that time on.
Running the program independent of the TV wasn't new?
And no, he doesn't care about Last of Us (Splinter Cell, perhaps... It's a pretty big franchise). Just like he doesn't care about Pikmin 3 or ZombiU. Some things get thrown in to entice Mr. NYT Reader.The point is that people care about those games. Not just gamers, but retailers and investors too. They may not care about the games' content so much as they care about the game's existence and marketability. Otherwise, Nintendo would have had hour long Wii Fit demonstration. Nintendo hasn't done a very good job of appealing to a large part of the market. That affects everyone who attended their presentation.
...Can we all say Boo together now. For both USB 2.0, when if you supporting a Harddrive with good speed you really want 3 at least or a real spec like Firewire or eSata, and if you want to stream media or play fighting games you really want a 10/100/1000 Wired lan connection.
Networking: Wii U can access the Internet via wireless (IEEE 802.11b/g/n) connection. The console features four USB 2.0 connectors – two in the front and two in the rear – that support Wii LAN Adapters.
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Yeah, this was the real problem with Nintendo's 3rd party ports. Arkham City, Mass Effect 3 or Ninja Gaiden 3 are nice, but they're also really old. Nintendo needed to bring more stuff like Tomb Raider, Black Ops 2, Resident Evil 6, Metal Gear Rising, Bioshock Infinite, Dead Space 3, etc, etc.The other problem is the lack of third party exclusives.Well, you're not going to get a lot of those and you know what? That's okay. Ports of last year's major titles are okay too... so long as they're supplemented by ports of games that are being released in the coming months. That's what was missing. Square Enix announced months ago that Tomb Raider wasn't getting ported to Wii U, but that was before it got delayed. Is it still not coming to Wii U? How hard is it to port the game? I believe Vigil Games said that they ported Darksiders II to the Wii U in 3 weeks. That said, it's almost like 3rd parties are still giving Nintendo the cold shoulder and that's obviously a bad thing.
they couldn't hold on to silicon knights or rare.They could have. They just didn't want to. I think Silicon Knights is still technically a Nintendo 2nd party. Nintendo and SK just terminated their exclusivity contract.
I can pretty much see the writing on the wall. The fact that no NEW games from major third-parties (Activision, Capcom, Konami, EA, etc.) were shown for Wii U is a huge red flag to me.
Wii U is roughly current-gen technology, so it's getting a lot of ports of current-gen games. Any big new cross-platform games already in development are being developed to the higher specs of the as-yet-unannounced PS4/Nextbox, and not to Wii U as it's considered current-gen by third parties and is therefore a waste of time for costly new projects.
Wii U is going to be left out in the cold by major third parties, I guarantee it. It's going to be Wii all over again, with great Nintendo games, hardly any big current third-party titles, and a smattering of good titles from smaller developers (Treasure, Platinum).
It seems some of you don't understand Nintendo. Nintendo's core audience is, and will always be families and family friendly entertainment.
Nintendo only uses E3 to show of their big sellers for the end rest of their current fiscal year which they've done for the last several years and did the same this year.
This is why people shouldn't have been surprised by this conference since it played out the same way all of Nintendo's conferences have gone the last several years.
That's Nintendo World Report's footage of Paper Mario/Mario Kart 3DS from E3 2010. I believe they showed trailers at the actual conference.
I think we've all known that for the last 5 or so years. But some of us want the old Nintendo back.
And if you want to talk about it, I'm not yet comfortable that the third party support will be all that hot. Looks better than the Wii but not yet any better than the Cube (which still missed out on a LOT of "every system but Nintendo" releases).
The Wii U GamePad controller removes the traditional barriers between games, players and the TV by creating a second window into the video game world.
I just saw the video of "Nintendo Land" (the Wii U's version of Wii Play?) and it looks pretty bland. I thought Nintendo was moving away from casual games?
Sure there are 3rd-party blockbusters like Batman, Mass Effect, Ninja Gaiden, etc. but will 3rd-party developers continually bring these games to the Wii U? Nintendo's examples are all pretty casual-oriented titles, so whatever.
It would be nice if we got NSMBU as a pack-in instead though, but then it wouldn't sell 500 billion copies on it's own.
Thinking more about third party support, what the Wii U should be getting is whatever big games are going to the PS360 for THIS Christmas. Not some one year old stuff but specifically what is in the pipeline for the Christmas season. REAL third party support would mean getting the same stuff at the same time. I don't give a **** about Black Ops II but it SHOULD be there. Yeah, the Wii U is a new system but Activision SHOULD have gotten the devs kits in time to do it.
Tekken Tag Tournament 2 is a title that follows that line. That's a new game. It isn't some old ass port. At least we know Namco is treating the Wii U right.
The twitters are saying you can indeed move your Wii VC and WiiWare games to WiiU.
The twitters are saying you can indeed move your Wii VC and WiiWare games to WiiU.
Since this is what most (if not all) of my WiiU purchase decision is based on... proof, please?
The twitters are saying you can indeed move your Wii VC and WiiWare games to WiiU.
Since this is what most (if not all) of my WiiU purchase decision is based on... proof, please?
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2012/06/nintendos-wii-u-gamepad-to-play-old-wii-games-company-says-at-e3/ (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2012/06/nintendos-wii-u-gamepad-to-play-old-wii-games-company-says-at-e3/)
Well, that article states there's no way to control 3DS screen brightness....The twitters are saying you can indeed move your Wii VC and WiiWare games to WiiU.
Since this is what most (if not all) of my WiiU purchase decision is based on... proof, please?
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2012/06/nintendos-wii-u-gamepad-to-play-old-wii-games-company-says-at-e3/ (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2012/06/nintendos-wii-u-gamepad-to-play-old-wii-games-company-says-at-e3/)
When are all Nintendo's roundtables and after conferences again? I think there were ones tonight and tomorrow at 9PM EST..
No Retro, No Ghost Recon, No Silicon Nights, and Killer Freaks got a fate crueler than Project H.A.M.M.E.R.
Not only did Ubisoft have the best press conference, they had a better Wii U Conference than Nintendo.
I have a feeling this will be a trainwreck with live demos of stuff like ZombiU and year old ports that no one will give a rats behind about. I hope we at least get a goofy Reggie or Miyamoto moment on stage.
I don't think Nintendo is broadcasting the developer roundtable anymore. They don't mention it on their Facebook page or their official E3 site...
Regarding 2 gamepad support, I don't think it was in their plans a year ago. I think the outcry from fans made them go back and see if they could do it. I think they always planned on doing just one gamepad. It is the reason why they didn't have any dual gamepad games. I think they added extra power to the system just to make sure it would support two gamepads. I wouldn't be surprised if no teams were even working on any games that could use two gamepads until October of last year at the earliest.I don't feel like I have any worthwhile new information at all.2 GamePad support. That was important even if it should have been confirmed last year.
They should have detailed their online strategy more.
I don't think Nintendo is broadcasting the developer roundtable anymore. They don't mention it on their Facebook page or their official E3 site...
An earlier NWR article mentioned the developer roundtable would not be streamed live, but rather a video of it would be online hours later.
I don't know if it will be liveblogged though. Is it?
Nintendo failed again this E3. I didn't see Microsoft or Sony's conferences yet, were they any better?
There is another conference tomorrow. They said it's focused on 3DS, but maybe they will slip a few Wii U bombs in there.We didn't know about SiNG either. Just saying.
But it was a little disapointing to not see anything we didnt already know was coming except for Nintendoland.
Nintendo failed again this E3. I didn't see Microsoft or Sony's conferences yet, were they any better?
I think both were better, but in different ways. Microsoft's was a total snore for the most part, but they did show off the increasingly awesome-looking Tomb Raider reboot and Black Ops 2 looks better than I expected. There was simply more there for gamers like us.
By contrast, sony's was far worse in the handheld department as Sony pretty much abandoned the Vita, but as far as console games go they easily blew Nintendo's lineup away. Yeah, Pikmin 3 looks great, but Sony simply had more notable console titles.
Nintendo failed again this E3. I didn't see Microsoft or Sony's conferences yet, were they any better?
While this was called a "Press Conference", this wasn't for the "Press" as we gaming nerds see it. It's not for Kotaku, IGN, NWR or random nerd with a camcorder and YouTube channel.If it's just for those news outlets, why were they broadcasting their press conference live on both SpikeTV and MTV2? Both of those channels are targeted at teen to thirty something males (especially Spike). Are those the same people that read the NYTimes or watch CNN and Fox News? Why broadcast it to those demographics if they weren't targeting those people with this press conference?
This conference is for USA Today, New York Times, CNN, FOX and MSNBC. This is for the folks who really want an overview of what's coming out so they can print a story about it.
Sony abandoned the Vita? So bringing exclusive PS Plus content and cross-platform games (PS All-Stars, for example) is abandoning the Vita?
Nintendo failed again this E3. I didn't see Microsoft or Sony's conferences yet, were they any better?
I think both were better, but in different ways. Microsoft's was a total snore for the most part, but they did show off the increasingly awesome-looking Tomb Raider reboot and Black Ops 2 looks better than I expected. There was simply more there for gamers like us.
By contrast, sony's was far worse in the handheld department as Sony pretty much abandoned the Vita, but as far as console games go they easily blew Nintendo's lineup away. Yeah, Pikmin 3 looks great, but Sony simply had more notable console titles.
Sony abandoned the Vita? So bringing exclusive PS Plus content and cross-platform games (PS All-Stars, for example) is abandoning the Vita?
What kind of changes will Ninja Gaiden 3 go though when it releases on the Wii U? The older versions of the game were ridiculed for being subpar, so I assume that Team Ninja might have tried to improve the game for the Wii U just like Rocksteady did with Batman: Arkham City. I hope they make the game much more interesting then the PS360 version.Evidently more weapons, better AI and dismemberment/decapitations are back. I hope it hold 60fps too.
just watch it on gamespot.com, the june 3rd video is probably under nintendo direct and not e3.nintendo.com
edit:
its on the the top of the page on the right, not with the smaller videos.
@RichIGN
Nintendo says it is trying to make games for people who really love games. Not just casual gamers. #E3NVC
Quote@RichIGN
Nintendo says it is trying to make games for people who really love games. Not just casual gamers. #E3NVC
Yeah, okay. Prove it.Quote@RichIGN
Nintendo says it is trying to make games for people who really love games. Not just casual gamers. #E3NVC
Call of Duty
They didn't give people a reason to buy a Vita. Hell, they didn't even give people who already had Vitas a reason to keep them.
So yeah, I say that Sony gave the impression that they'd abandoned the Vita.
Even if nothing is going to come out this fiscal year, the question remains of what the **** they've been doing all this time. Are they that behind the curve on developing HD games?I was wondering this too. I think the problem is more time management related.
F*ck it! Let's get a proper Spaceworld before launch. I think they need to beef up the horsepower now and be able to at least get the multiplatform support in the next generation as well. We can have the best of both worlds this next go. No specs released and I'm hoping this why. Is it final?
Yeah, okay. Prove it.Quote@RichIGN
Nintendo says it is trying to make games for people who really love games. Not just casual gamers. #E3NVC
When's the 3DS conference taking place?
When's the 3DS conference taking place?
Wednesday 6th, 6PM PDT. Here is a handy ical/calendar (http://e3.nintendo.com/_ui/data/showcase.ics) book mark from Nintendo. Not sure if Broodwars is going to set up a thread for that.
I still maintain that this was an E3 of losers especially from the big three. After listening to the RFN @ Home team podcast, to only reinforced and gave words as to how sloppy Nintendo's presentation was. Props to Greg as always.
It really seems like they were holding alot back for E3. And I mean everyone. I'm sure that EA wants to show off that multi umote Madden, but haven't had time to get it up and running in a demo mode yet, and Nintendo likely wants to save their carpet bombing run followed by the megaton nuke for just before launch, but they could have shown us some more.It's almost as if you know something...
Maybe end the conference with a Smash Bros teaser since we already know about that game, but I really hope the sneak something into the 3DS conference later today (where we might see a SSB teaser too).
Oh, and there were only like 2 or 3 Nintendo girls walking around with 3DS' tethered to their waist, so maybe after the conference today, they will flood the both with 3DS games too... But more importantly, more. beautiful booth babes
Sorry, I thought this comment was associated with something said recently. I knwo Nintendo has MADE games that people who love games play. I don't see them MAKING any in the near future. Pikmin 3 and Mario U aside.Yeah, okay. Prove it.Quote@RichIGN
Nintendo says it is trying to make games for people who really love games. Not just casual gamers. #E3NVC
Can someone pull up the sales history of first party Nintendo titles?
That many Million+ sellers. Is there another developer/publisher that cranks out the hits on the scale that Nintendo does?
Unless there's some grand conspiracy with some crazed anti-gaming religious cult buying all the games so no one can play them, those games are being sold to... people who like games. In the millions.
All I can say is thank god for Ubisoft. They are the only 3rd party developer which came through and gave the Wii U any meaningful support. I hope this isn't what the entire life of the system is going to look like, but no matter how you slice it this is a really shitty start for the system.
I am a pessimist by nature, so I have a lot of misgivings about E3 this year, but I am going to try and put a positive spin on it:
1) Most hardcore Nintendo fans are going to buy the system for Mario and Pikmin. Yes, we want Zelda and Metroid, but we know they will be coming, so we will buy to support the company and play Mario.
2) I saw Reggie in interviews emphasize how they wanted to emphasize singing, dancing and fitness games. This appeals to casual gamers and will lead to sales. Maybe these fads have passed like the Rock Band craze but millions of people still have balance boards and Just Dance 3 seemed to indicate that 4 would sell well. Personally, I was hoping that the camera in the Gamepad would be able to mimic some of Kinect's or Move's functions for Just Dance.
3) Less than impressive ports are to be expected aren't they. The positive side of this is at least studios are working with the hardware, so that future games will be better or new ideas will spawn.
4) There is still a lot of time before the release. In that time Nintendo will fill in the blanks. They have been trying to stay in the news spotlight through Nintendo Direct for months now. I am sure this will continue. I think we will also see a lot at TGS from developers like Capcom. Sometimes we forget that a 1 hour press conference is not the be all and end all of information. To paraphrase you do not want to shoot your load too early; you want it to build to release day.
5) Two controller support is big now we can have synchronous game play with our asynchronous games. Sport and fighting games needed this. By next year I expect EA to have solid games for head to head play. I can't imagine someone not preferring what Wii U could do for Madden. I know Microsoft mentioned Smart Glass, but I am not going to want to switch between my controller and my Ipad to play. Also, as Neal pointed out this could lead to increased development from third parties.
6) The hardware doesn't sound like it is super impressive, so that will result in a lower costs.
7) Trine 2 and maybe Tanks! Tanks! Tanks! show that they do have games for the new eshop
I am writing this before the 3DS software conference- maybe a secret reveal?
Finally, everything Nintendo did seems geared at sales. Unfortunately, the investors don't seem to agree as the stock dropped this morning, but I am remaining hopeful.
Nintendo Land is especially weird. Okay so it has all sorts of Nintendo references that ONLY core gamers would know but the gameplay is gimmicky mini-game stuff that only casual gamers would like. So who is this game for? It appears to be for the Nintendo fan who wasn't turned off by the Wii and likes Wii Sports as much as Mario. Either that or it's their foolhardy attempt to make a game for both the core and casual audience which will alienate BOTH groups.
Fusing all the music games is an impossible task. Licensing will kill any possibility.
Smart glass won't get more support since 1,it isn't built in. 2, requires outside hardware no one controls, therefore extremely unpredictable. 3, it is inherently less capable than the Gamepad.
Smart glass might be more "portable", but portability isn't a concern for the functions that the Gamepad is meant to do. Smart glass is mostly FUD inorder to blunt Nintendo's advantage.
Good news everyone! No need to buy a WiiU console if you have a Saturn!
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Why, exactly, was this press conference needed?It wasn't, but it was appreciated. Nintendo didn't have to do that but we got a more in depth look at a bunch of upcoming games. How are you complaining about this? It was free and you weren't forced to watch it. I cannot for the life of me fathom how anyone could possibly see this as a bad thing.
Why, exactly, was this press conference needed?It wasn't, but it was appreciated. Nintendo didn't have to do that but we got a more in depth look at a bunch of upcoming games. How are you complaining about this? It was free and you weren't forced to watch it. I cannot for the life of me fathom how anyone could possibly see this as a bad thing.
I'm not complaining about the conference's existence. As I thought I made it clear, their decision to have a press conference just perplexed me given how light on new content that conference was.I find the fact that you're complaining about it at all to be perplexing. Scott Moffitt glossed over a few games during yesterday's conference and said they would go more in depth tonight which is what they did. I can see being disappointed in yesterday's press conference, but Nintendo told everyone exactly what they were doing for this 3DS software showcase. Manage your expectations.
Epic Mickey 2: Power of Illusion looks incredibly average, like a game that wouldn't be out of place in the lineup of GBA shovelware.
Epic Mickey 2: Power of Illusion looks incredibly average, like a game that wouldn't be out of place in the lineup of GBA shovelware.
I'm guessing you never played Mickey Mania (SNES) or Mickey's Castle of Illusion (Sega Genesis). This new game is directly inspired by those, with the same sprite-based graphics and sound effects.
yet Nintendo did not take the opportunity to deliver the Final Blow with a better lineup of games.
Fusing all the music games is an impossible task. Licensing will kill any possibility.
Smart glass won't get more support since 1,it isn't built in. 2, requires outside hardware no one controls, therefore extremely unpredictable. 3, it is inherently less capable than the Gamepad.
Smart glass might be more "portable", but portability isn't a concern for the functions that the Gamepad is meant to do. Smart glass is mostly FUD inorder to blunt Nintendo's advantage.
I'd argue if the gamepad is more capable than a tablet.
That and I think tut while they aren't going after the same thing you are highly underestimating Microsoft's ability to go to a pub or dev pull out. Blank check and say put kinect and Smartglass into your game and we will cover the marketing budget and some of the dev costs.
I mean they already had a proof of concept of Madden and Wii U couldn't even get that.
yet Nintendo did not take the opportunity to deliver the Final Blow with a better lineup of games.
I understand that sort of criticism, but to be fair its not like they can pull a better lineup of games out of their ass... games take months if not years to make, so the seeds had to have been sown a long time ago before they could be reaped now. Sure, Nintendo should have made better preparations in the past... I'm just saying they can't change course in a moment's notice. Its like with the Titanic... even thoguh they seen the iceberg before they hit, that huge ass ship takes a long time to turn or stop so the collision with the iceberg was still unavoidable. Now, if the crew of the Titanic had a much earlier warning of the iceberg and more time in which to turn then yeah they could have avoided it.
But that analogy doesn't fully apply because there is never not a time when Nintendo shouldn't be releasing games, and if the studios they do have aren't enough to keep up with the task then they need more studios, plain and simple. This is something they need to have been doing years ago... its too late to do anything about the droughts of today, but they need more studios so this doesn't happen ever again.
You clearly over-estimate (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/171974/Xboxs_SmartGlass_is_no_Wii_U_replacementat_least_not_yet.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+GamasutraNews+%28Gamasutra+News%29) what Smart Glass is really capable of doing. It's FUD. It's being sent out to die because it doesn't really work at the end of the day. There is no way in hell you can expect people to pay $400 for an iPad equivalent for a $300 ~ $500 console, for nothing more than the most basic function which another console can do far better for around $50~$100 for a second controller and has one ready out of the box.
No amount of money thrown to developers is going to make people buy in. The wheels are not there for MS to grease without MS subsiding iPhone, iPods and smart phones.
yet Nintendo did not take the opportunity to deliver the Final Blow with a better lineup of games.
I understand that sort of criticism, but to be fair its not like they can pull a better lineup of games out of their ass... games take months if not years to make, so the seeds had to have been sown a long time ago before they could be reaped now. Sure, Nintendo should have made better preparations in the past... I'm just saying they can't change course in a moment's notice. Its like with the Titanic... even thoguh they seen the iceberg before they hit, that huge ass ship takes a long time to turn or stop so the collision with the iceberg was still unavoidable. Now, if the crew of the Titanic had a much earlier warning of the iceberg and more time in which to turn then yeah they could have avoided it.
But that analogy doesn't fully apply because there is never not a time when Nintendo shouldn't be releasing games, and if the studios they do have aren't enough to keep up with the task then they need more studios, plain and simple. This is something they need to have been doing years ago... its too late to do anything about the droughts of today, but they need more studios so this doesn't happen ever again.
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3DS is a different case. Seems to indicate that Nintendo are finished with announcing titles that are more than 6 months away. Look at the handling of Animal Crossing/Fire Emblem. Both are coming to the West with both released/nearly released in Japan. Yet they were no shows at E3. If this is what Nintendo's policy is now it's foolhardy. They are basically stopping people getting hyped about future software thus disillusioning fans. Though I suppose it could be a positive in some cases. Last Guardian was announced 6? years ago. Sony has been burned by that. And no one will ever forgot DNF. . . . .
Sorry, I thought this comment was associated with something said recently. I knwo Nintendo has MADE games that people who love games play. I don't see them MAKING any in the near future. Pikmin 3 and Mario U aside.Yeah, okay. Prove it.Quote@RichIGN
Nintendo says it is trying to make games for people who really love games. Not just casual gamers. #E3NVC
Can someone pull up the sales history of first party Nintendo titles?
That many Million+ sellers. Is there another developer/publisher that cranks out the hits on the scale that Nintendo does?
Unless there's some grand conspiracy with some crazed anti-gaming religious cult buying all the games so no one can play them, those games are being sold to... people who like games. In the millions.
Announcing games early tends to bite them in the ass. Ocarina of Time got delayed 73 times. So did Twilight Princess. With the way they delay titles and sometimes scrap entire projects. It's probably better for them to keep their mouths shut until the game is near release. They obviously don't always do this, but they probably should.
I personally don't like Nintendo's silence on this stuff but normally it isn't too crucial. I just want to know but we don't HAVE to know. But with the Wii U, this is the sort of time where you do want hype. You're not just showcasing what is available on the Wii U at launch but what the Wii U is and why we should care about it. At this E3 they had to sell the system itself. So in that case having titles that are a year or two away is good. Maybe the launch games aren't going to sell someone but if there is some future title they're interested in, they'll likely pay attention to the Wii U until that game comes out. Otherwise that same person could just write the Wi U off and never pay attention again. They should do whatever they can NOW to get people interested in the Wii U and that includes more than just the launch games. This E3 was different than a typical one. The big coming out party for a new system has be handled differently and they treated like they would have for an established system.
Announcing games early tends to bite them in the ass. Ocarina of Time got delayed 73 times. So did Twilight Princess. With the way they delay titles and sometimes scrap entire projects. It's probably better for them to keep their mouths shut until the game is near release. They obviously don't always do this, but they probably should.Thing is this is a new system launch, past issues like Zelda delays over a decade ago sort of miss the point. Imagine if Nintendo had done this for previous systems and they'd shown ONLY launch window games at their E3 debuts for Wii (Twilight Princess, Wii Sports, Wii Play, Excite Truck, Wario Ware SM) and 3DS (Nintendogs + Cats, Pilotwings Resort, Steel Diver, Ocarina of Time 3D)... how do think the press and consumers would've taken that?
Thing is this is a new system launch, past issues like Zelda delays over a decade ago sort of miss the point. Imagine if Nintendo had done this for previous systems and they'd shown ONLY launch window games at their E3 debuts for Wii (Twilight Princess, Wii Sports, Wii Play, Excite Truck, Wario Ware SM) and 3DS (Nintendogs + Cats, Pilotwings Resort, Steel Diver, Ocarina of Time 3D)... how do think the press and consumers would've taken that?
Thing is this is a new system launch, past issues like Zelda delays over a decade ago sort of miss the point. Imagine if Nintendo had done this for previous systems and they'd shown ONLY launch window games at their E3 debuts for Wii (Twilight Princess, Wii Sports, Wii Play, Excite Truck, Wario Ware SM) and 3DS (Nintendogs + Cats, Pilotwings Resort, Steel Diver, Ocarina of Time 3D)... how do think the press and consumers would've taken that?
Well for the Wii and 3DS several of the games they showed where planned on coming out earlier but got delayed. Metroid Prime 3 for instance was originally suppose to come out around the Wii's launch window but got delayed because of certain issues with the games quality. For Mario Galaxy, during interviews at E3 2006, Miyamoto made it sound like they were trying to get that game out not too long after launch but that ended up coming out a full year after launch as well. There's also Smash Bros Brawl which Sakurai would later admit after the game came out that all the characters except Sonic where finished in 2006 which points to Brawl originally planned on coming out sometime much earlier then its final release date as well.
For the 3DS Kid Icarus: Uprising was originally planned on coming out closer to the 3DS launch as well but ended up getting delayed several times as well. Mario 3D Kart and Paper Mario were also probably planned for earlier releases since their studio's had several years to work on them after their last game but they still took longer to make. The fact that Mario 3D Land wasn't shown at E3 2010 but instead at GDC 2011 which was almost a year later but still ended up coming out before Mario 3D Kart and Paper Mario kind of shows development issues probably ended up delaying these two in some way.
I wouldn't be surprised if since HD development is more complicated any of their previous systems, any game that Nintendo can't guarantee will be out within the launch window they don't want to risk showing. Actually I wouldn't be surprised if because of new more complex HD development Nintendo fears that some of their delays will end up much longer then delays for Wii and 3DS were so if they were to show games they can't guarantee will be ready for early 2013 now, they could end up being delayed until late 2014 which would give them another Twilight Princess PR situation which I'm sure they never want again.
I wouldn't be surprised if since HD development is more complicated any of their previous systems, any game that Nintendo can't guarantee will be out within the launch window they don't want to risk showing. Actually I wouldn't be surprised if because of new more complex HD development Nintendo fears that some of their delays will end up much longer then delays for Wii and 3DS were so if they were to show games they can't guarantee will be ready for early 2013 now, they could end up being delayed until late 2014 which would give them another Twilight Princess PR situation which I'm sure they never want again.
Announcing games early tends to bite them in the ass. Ocarina of Time got delayed 73 times. So did Twilight Princess. With the way they delay titles and sometimes scrap entire projects. It's probably better for them to keep their mouths shut until the game is near release. They obviously don't always do this, but they probably should.
Alright, feel free to tell me how announcing those two games "too early" "bit them in the ass", because both Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess were incredibly successful games. I'm struggling to think of a game that they announced long before it was ready and then bombed when it finally released because it didn't live up to expectations.
Alright, feel free to tell me how announcing those two games "too early" "bit them in the ass", because both Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess were incredibly successful games. I'm struggling to think of a game that they announced long before it was ready and then bombed when it finally released because it didn't live up to expectations.
Skyward Sword
This Scott Moffitt guy doesn't seem to be doing much better. Is he new? Cause I've never heard of him before E3.
Alright, feel free to tell me how announcing those two games "too early" "bit them in the ass", because both Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess were incredibly successful games. I'm struggling to think of a game that they announced long before it was ready and then bombed when it finally released because it didn't live up to expectations.I didn't say they weren't successful or that they bombed. How did you come to that conclusion? Stop putting words in my mouth. Nintendo gets **** for delaying games all the time. I get it even if I don't agree with it. Continually delaying a product greatly affects the way everyone from consumers to investors to retailers and to the media view the way you do business. It makes you look bad even if you're just trying to release the best product possible. I'm glad Nintendo delays for quality control but not everyone sees it that way. They see delays as broken promises and an empty release schedule. By announcing a game and sticking to a release date, you avoid all of that bad press. Look at Donkey Kong Country Returns. Announced at E3, released in November of that same year. No fuss, no muss.
Well, what is more damaging? People being upset that a game is delayed or assuming that your system has little for it because not many games have been announced?I'm not defending that lack of announced titles. Rather, I'm defending the concept of holding off on announcing titles until they're ready to be released within a reasonable amount of time. This isn't just Nintendo; this goes for every company. Look at Capcom. We heard about DMC forever ago and it got delayed again. On the flip side, we heard about Resident Evil 6 in January and Capcom even moved the release date forward an entire month. Which do you prefer?
I think everything Nintendo showed was extremely promising...and the fact they have more hidden games to show later...like the game from Rare, makes me even more excited.
Now, people have also stated that the third party support was weak...accept that I counted at least 5 launch games that I was eagerly anticipating playing, ZombiU, Assassin's Creed 3, Rayman Legends, Darksiders 2, Lego City. And I know there are more games than that being prepped for launch...including the very important Madden franchise, and FIFA franchises for sports fans.It's not weak compared to what Nintendo typically gets. It's extremely weak compared to what PS3/360 gets. People are practically willing to settle for straight ports.
It's not weak compared to what Nintendo typically gets. It's extremely weak compared to what PS3/360 gets. People are practically willing to settle for straight ports.
It would have been nice if more 3rd party games were announced. I was disappointed but as I've said, I'm going to be patient. E3 isn't the be-all, end-all. We have the rest of the year to hear more announcements. Already, we've heard that Madden and Fifa will be on Wii U.
I can't believe people aren't excited about a new 2D Mario game at launch. We haven't had a Mario game for launch since the N64 era. I remember when people were complaining about the GameCube and 3DS launches because they didn't have Mario games. Now we get one on the Wii U, and people still complain?
You know, I really don't understand why people say Nintendo's E3 conference was bad. I actually watched most of the show live-ish...and I was pleasantly surprised with the overall quality of the entire presentation.
First, people complaining about Nintendo's games showed. For the past 2-3 E3s (or more) has only been showing off what games are coming out this year.
It's not weak compared to what Nintendo typically gets. It's extremely weak compared to what PS3/360 gets.
Looking back, I think it would been a much better conference if Nintendo had just rearranged it a bit. Swap Nintendo Land and Pikmin 3, so the best game is shown last...
Actually, to be honest, this is probably their worst presentation in years. Remember when DKCR was presented at E3? Remember the 3DS announcement, with the games and the models(as in girls) with the models (as in 3DS prototypes? And that's just the last couple years.
I'm think the disappointment stems from messaging and leaks. If no one knew about Castlevania, Epic Mickey, the Mario games, Pikmin 3, Arkham City, etc... going into E3, we would be shitting dollars bills right now to give to Nintendo. No one would be saying it was a bad presentation, even if the games were exactly the same.
I think Nintendo, being secretive, set itself up as the company that will bust out with surprises. And so I, along with everyone else, wondered "Okay, those are the games I know about. What will be the games that I had no idea existed?" Turns out, all it was was Mass Effect 3.
With that said, I think this is a strong lineup. Was hoping for a bit more for 3DS, but oh well. I guess this is Nintendo's way of saying "Maybe you should pick up a Wii U and some games too?"
In the end, I was kinda disappointed, but at the same time, I'll be picking up most of those 3DS games at launch, and a Wii U, and most likely Mario, Pikmin, and maybe ZombiU.
I can't agree with this. For a system's launch, this is actually quite strong, and I expect it to get stronger as the launch grows nearer and more games are announced.I don't know what you're disagreeing with. I didn't say 3rd party support was weak for a system launch. Rather, it's weak compared to the competition. I don't know how anyone can disagree with that currently. Look how many upcoming games Wii U is not getting. Most of Wii U's 3rd party games came out months ago from today. Like I said, I'm going to be patient and see what else gets announced. Right now, it's not even close.
A year later and we're a far cry from this...I like that more then the Gif. That is the reaction Nintendo should have wanted. In fact I be tempted to get Chris Rock to do that to start the E3 presentation with Dummy cases to throw.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THVkkfCIBOk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THVkkfCIBOk)
I would have posted the Gif, but I don't want to crash everyone's browser.
I can't believe people aren't excited about a new 2D Mario game at launch. We haven't had a Mario game for launch since the N64 era. I remember when people were complaining about the GameCube and 3DS launches because they didn't have Mario games. Now we get one on the Wii U, and people still complain?
Wii has 3 Mario Platformers?
I can't agree with this. For a system's launch, this is actually quite strong, and I expect it to get stronger as the launch grows nearer and more games are announced.I don't know what you're disagreeing with. I didn't say 3rd party support was weak for a system launch. Rather, it's weak compared to the competition. I don't know how anyone can disagree with that currently. Look how many upcoming games Wii U is not getting. Most of Wii U's 3rd party games came out months ago from today. Like I said, I'm going to be patient and see what else gets announced. Right now, it's not even close.
