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Title: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 01, 2011, 07:46:39 PM

The price is justified, according to Capcom.

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/28300

Resident Evil: Revelations will be the first 3DS game priced at $50.

A Capcom representative told Kotaku that the reason the game has been priced at $50 is that "Resident Evil Revelations is an all new Resident Evil title with over 20 hours of gameplay, and cutscenes beautifully rendered in fear-inducing 3D". He elaborates, "A true console experience on a handheld device, Resident Evil Revelations is an epic title that offers both a single-player campaign for that classic survival horror gaming experience, and an additional RAID mode that can be played cooperatively or single player. To handle all of that data Resident Evil Revelations requires a 4GB cartridge, resulting in a higher price point."

The game will be released in North America on February 7, 2012.

Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: Kytim89 on November 01, 2011, 07:57:21 PM
I hope this game sells well because Capcom needs to be rewarded for doing such a spectacular job on developing for the 3DS. I see this games as not only what the potential of the 3DS itself can do, but what a third party can do if they put actual effort into developing for a system. I hope it sells a million copies.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: DanielM on November 01, 2011, 08:00:30 PM
I'll gladly pay $50 for this game.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: NWR_Lindy on November 01, 2011, 08:04:07 PM
The price may be justified, but that doesn't mean people are going to pay it.  Look at the 3DS itself, or even the PS3...very cool items, but the price scared away even long-time customers.  However, this is Resident Evil, so I'm sure it'll sell well...but I could also see people holding off until it goes on sale at some point down the line.

From a marketing standpoint, Capcom would be wise to throw in some type of cool swag to make the price go over a little easier; almost like a Collector's Edition without it being labeled as one.

This does make me wince, however.  First off, the line "a true console experience on a handheld device" sounds very PSP-like, which automatically make me vomit in my throat a little.  Second off, the fact that we're even seeing games this expensive being released for a handheld device in this day and age (not to mention economy) makes me vomit in my throat a little.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 01, 2011, 08:15:11 PM
Whether Capcom likes it or not people still handheld games as "lesser" then their console siblings. That is why you see so many multi platform games (especially seen with PSP) come out for a cheaper price on the handheld. I think Capcom may be shooting themselves in the foot. The standard price of a 3DS game is 30-40, not $50, and that includes some upcoming titles like Kid Icarus, Mario 3D Land, and Mario Kart 7 which are all likely going to be high quality, "console like" experiences.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: broodwars on November 01, 2011, 08:22:36 PM
Well, if Capcom's going to treat this game like a console game and charge for it about the same as a console game, I hope it actually becomes a console game at some point so I can play it.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: Pajamas on November 01, 2011, 08:28:59 PM
Capcom just lost my money.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: Mop it up on November 01, 2011, 08:29:18 PM
This may not bode well for the future of games that use larger size cards, I hope that this doesn't become an acceptable trend.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: Ailingforale on November 01, 2011, 08:41:57 PM
I hope it's as worth it as they say.  If it is and people freely purchase it, then maybe some other companies will get off their butts and also make some games with some quality rather than quantity like we saw on the Wii (since it was mostly Nintendo).  I still plan to buy this game when it comes out.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: gojira on November 01, 2011, 08:46:35 PM
Aaah.  I'll buy it at a high price.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: Praefectia on November 01, 2011, 08:47:20 PM
Still buying it used. Capcom gets none of my money.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: broodwars on November 01, 2011, 08:47:37 PM
Aaah.  I'll buy it at a high price.

Not enough CASH, Stranger.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: Kytim89 on November 01, 2011, 08:56:36 PM
Still buying it used. Capcom gets none of my money.

What Capcom will do to prevent this is only one save state, so if you were to buy it used then you will have to finsih the game where the original buyer left off.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: broodwars on November 01, 2011, 08:59:25 PM
Still buying it used. Capcom gets none of my money.

What Capcom will do to prevent this is only one save state, so if you were to buy it used then you will have to finsih the game where the original buyer left off.

I believe Capcom's already stated they aren't doing that again after the backlash they had from The Mercenaries 3D.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: Adrock on November 01, 2011, 09:07:05 PM
This may not bode well for the future of games that use larger size cards, I hope that this doesn't become an acceptable trend.
The price of larger cards will drop over time. Revelations is the first and so far only game to use a larger capacity card.

$50 isn't a bad price considering it's a legitimate RE title and Capcom put out all the stops. The game looks AMAZING. If people thought $40 for an upgraded port of a 13 year old game that Nintendo had previously given away for free (twice) was acceptable, I can't see why they'd be balking at this. From what I've read, the game is packed and they even included online multiplayer. I find the price fair.
Aaah.  I'll buy it at a high price.
Lulz. You win this entire thread. +1 for you.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: Kytim89 on November 01, 2011, 09:07:57 PM
Makes me wonder how much they will charge for Monster Hunter 4? Perhaps $50 as well?
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: MegaByte on November 01, 2011, 09:10:41 PM
That will probably depend on how many people buy this one at $50 and whether chip costs come down in the meantime.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: RPG_FAN128 on November 01, 2011, 09:37:16 PM
(C) Amazon.com Pre-Order Price Guarantee "the price we charge when we ship it to you will be the lowest price offered by Amazon.com between the time you placed your order and the end of the day of the release date."  It's listed at 39.99 still.........
........or does this only apply if the price DECREASES ?   I don't know myself. 
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on November 01, 2011, 09:44:43 PM
They're saying the right things, but Jon is right -- even $40 is too high for American handheld gamers. I think Capcom will sell as many as they can at this original price and then make up residuals when retailers drop it a month or two later.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: supergtt on November 01, 2011, 09:47:32 PM
they are out they damn minds. I will never pay 50$ for a handheld game. no way, no how.

**** like this will only accelerate the move to phones. Less is more when it comes to pricing these days.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 01, 2011, 10:14:10 PM
Introducing the CapTax

why should Square be the only one that gets this privilege?
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: Kytim89 on November 01, 2011, 10:31:24 PM
This game might get a Vita port if not too many 3DS gamers take the plunge.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: Ceric on November 01, 2011, 10:42:37 PM
I cannot believe that a 4gb flash chip of any sort isn't dirt cheap.  At retail its only a dollar difference between 2gb and 4gb.  We know Nintendo isn't using cutting edge tech and the casing is the same.  Cart size today should be a non-issue till I start hearing 8 or 16gig carts.

That's just a bull excuse.  They're pricing it this way because they know they can.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: Shaymin on November 01, 2011, 10:44:43 PM
They're pricing it like a Wii game, so I'll do like I do for most hyped 3rd party Wii games and wait for reviews and a price drop if necessary.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: MegaByte on November 01, 2011, 10:53:58 PM
I cannot believe that a 4gb flash chip of any sort isn't dirt cheap.  At retail its only a dollar difference between 2gb and 4gb.  We know Nintendo isn't using cutting edge tech and the casing is the same.  Cart size today should be a non-issue till I start hearing 8 or 16gig carts.

That's just a bull excuse.  They're pricing it this way because they know they can.
It's not Flash, it's PROM. I don't know the pricing details, but the performance should be better than SD Flash cards, and thus, the price higher.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: King Bowser Koopa on November 01, 2011, 11:18:53 PM
This is actually a discount of some $20-30 for Australian handheld games.
Because of this, however, the game will retail for $99 AUD when it comes here. I guarantee it.

I'm still glad I imported my 3DS.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: xcwarrior on November 01, 2011, 11:24:51 PM
NO! Bad Capcom! Bad!

Between this and still no US date for Monster Hunter, Capcom is on my **** list right now.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: Adrock on November 02, 2011, 12:26:25 AM
I'm pushing the shenanigans broom on anyone who says $50 is too much for a handheld game. What about handheld games makes them inherently worth less than console games? They've come a long way since the original Gameboy. I can see thinking that a game, handheld or console, is not worth $50 or $60 because it sucks or because it's too short or any number of reasons outside of platform. A game's value should be judged on the merits of its content, not which platform it's on.

As excited as I am for Resident Evil Jill, I am disappointed that this game didn't come out on the Wii. It's a console game. Nothing that I've seen so far has shown that it takes advantage of it being on a handheld system. Granted, I haven't played it so I can't say for sure, but it looks like a game you have to sit down and play for an extended period of time which isn't conducive of quick, on-the-go gaming... the type of experience handhelds excel at. The original DS changed handheld gaming. Many games offered a unique experience that could not be done the same way on a home console. Once home console experiences started showing up on handhelds, one has to wonder why those games just weren't made for a console instead. Revelations is one such game. I'd rather play it on my 40" TV. So, personally, a game like Revelations is worth $50 because it's packed with content, but I can't help but wonder how much better this game would be on the Wii, especially with motion controls. RE4 was better for it. I have no doubt this game would be as well.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: Ymeegod on November 02, 2011, 12:27:54 AM
Add why do people think because it's an handheld is should be valved lower than it's console ones?  In the past handheld games tended to be inferior to it's consoles counterpart but now there's plente of Quality titles on handhelds that are justifield at that price IMO.

And you have to see things from a business angle, mature rated titles on handhelds don't see all that well to begin so you really don't get the revenue to spend on extra costs.

I wonder if the US is going get the analog stick bundle? 
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LOL Adrock beat me to the punch :(.
 
 
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: broodwars on November 02, 2011, 12:33:40 AM
I'm pushing the shenanigans broom on anyone who says $50 is too much for a handheld game. What about handheld games makes them inherently worth less than console games?

I can't play them on my considerably larger TV with a good sound system and a proper (and comfortable) controller in my hand.  That alone will always make a handheld inferior to a console, unless (of course) you can hook that handheld up to a TV and play games at a proper resolution with a controller.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: Adrock on November 02, 2011, 12:42:48 AM
That makes the handheld inferior to the console (as in the hardware), but that doesn't necessarily mean the actual game is worth less. I don't think as many people would balk at the price if the game came out on the Wii. That's the point being made here. The game itself is worth $50 so it's silly that people are complaining that a 3DS game costs that much because on a home console, the price would be acceptable.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: Retro Deckades on November 02, 2011, 12:47:58 AM
Willing to charge $50 for a true console experience on a handheld, yet not willing to make it a numbered entry in the series. Hmmm...
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: Manthony Chopkins on November 02, 2011, 12:50:30 AM
Amazon has the pre-order for this game listed at 40$ right now.


http://www.amazon.com/Resident-Evil-Revelations-Nintendo-3DS/dp/B0050SVLI2/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1320209231&sr=1-1  (http://www.amazon.com/Resident-Evil-Revelations-Nintendo-3DS/dp/B0050SVLI2/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1320209231&sr=1-1)




Edit: Beaten
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: broodwars on November 02, 2011, 12:53:02 AM
Willing to charge $50 for a true console experience on a handheld, yet not willing to make it a numbered entry in the series. Hmmm...

Honestly, I prefer companies using subtitles once a series has gone on this long.  Just look at Final Fantasy to see just how ridiculous the titles start looking once there are enough numbered sequels.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: Adrock on November 02, 2011, 12:56:42 AM

Willing to charge $50 for a true console experience on a handheld, yet not willing to make it a numbered entry in the series. Hmmm...
I addressed that in another thread so I'll just quote myself.
Does it even matter whether Revelations isn't a numbered entry? Capcom doesn't seem to have a system for which games deserve a numbered title. Code Veronica is arguably more important than Resident Evil 3 plot wise and didn't receive a number. It could have been either numbered 3 or 4 depending on how you view Nemesis. Apparently, the only reason Nemesis was given a numbered title is because it was on Playstation. Revelations is an interquel with 2 returning characters who we know make it to RE5. Despite its title, I'm curious what could possibly be revealed in this game that could blow the entire series' plot wide open, if anything. It seems more like a side-story that doesn't and won't affect the greater story arc of the series.
I wouldn't pay too much attention to which games get a number. It makes no sense anyway. The final scenario of Umbrella Chronicles is pretty important to the canon and it's not covered in any other RE game. Capcom probably could have made an entire game based on that chapter.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 02, 2011, 02:49:58 AM
(C) Amazon.com Pre-Order Price Guarantee "the price we charge when we ship it to you will be the lowest price offered by Amazon.com between the time you placed your order and the end of the day of the release date."  It's listed at 39.99 still.........
........or does this only apply if the price DECREASES ?   I don't know myself. 

I just checked, and Amazon lists the price as $39.99 while acknowledging the regular price will be $49.99, so if you want it for $40 order it now. I just did.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: famicomplicated on November 02, 2011, 03:38:34 AM
I was about to say, I doubt it will be $50 on most online stores.
Look out for discounts, vouchers etc, I'd be surprised if any of us will be paying that price in the end.


I wonder how much it will be in Japan.. 4,900, 5,800, 6,800!!!?
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: Ymeegod on November 02, 2011, 04:45:31 AM
5990 yen (about US$78) non-bundled.

Same price as old DS titles like Dragon Quest IX.

Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 02, 2011, 04:50:12 AM
That makes the handheld inferior to the console (as in the hardware), but that doesn't necessarily mean the actual game is worth less. I don't think as many people would balk at the price if the game came out on the Wii. That's the point being made here. The game itself is worth $50 so it's silly that people are complaining that a 3DS game costs that much because on a home console, the price would be acceptable.

The fact still remains people perceive handheld games as inferior, believe me I understand and agree that handheld games can be on the same level as console games, but the marketplace says otherwise (and has been saying otherwise). That is what is most important at the end of the day, if Capcom can actually sell the game. Perception is not always logical.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: ThePerm on November 02, 2011, 05:49:07 AM
eh, i payed 24 dollars for a couple of capcom new releases before, so because i got that extra low price on those games from them i dont mind paying the inflated price for a seperate game.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: leahsdad on November 02, 2011, 08:16:40 AM
Amazon has the pre-order for this game listed at 40$ right now.


http://www.amazon.com/Resident-Evil-Revelations-Nintendo-3DS/dp/B0050SVLI2/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1320209231&sr=1-1  (http://www.amazon.com/Resident-Evil-Revelations-Nintendo-3DS/dp/B0050SVLI2/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1320209231&sr=1-1)




Edit: Beaten

Nice Manthony.  Just put in my pre-order. 

Now I just hope this doesn't suck like RE5.  Well, "suck" is a harsh.  "Bore me to tears" may be better.   I liked Mercenaries 3D so much more, because there was none of that ludicrous story crap or cutscenes.  Just combat.   It was like gameplay porn.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: Ceric on November 02, 2011, 09:46:48 AM
I'm pushing the shenanigans broom on anyone who says $50 is too much for a handheld game. What about handheld games makes them inherently worth less than console games? They've come a long way since the original Gameboy. I can see thinking that a game, handheld or console, is not worth $50 or $60 because it sucks or because it's too short or any number of reasons outside of platform. A game's value should be judged on the merits of its content, not which platform it's on.

As excited as I am for Resident Evil Jill, I am disappointed that this game didn't come out on the Wii. It's a console game. Nothing that I've seen so far has shown that it takes advantage of it being on a handheld system. Granted, I haven't played it so I can't say for sure, but it looks like a game you have to sit down and play for an extended period of time which isn't conducive of quick, on-the-go gaming... the type of experience handhelds excel at. The original DS changed handheld gaming. Many games offered a unique experience that could not be done the same way on a home console. Once home console experiences started showing up on handhelds, one has to wonder why those games just weren't made for a console instead. Revelations is one such game. I'd rather play it on my 40" TV. So, personally, a game like Revelations is worth $50 because it's packed with content, but I can't help but wonder how much better this game would be on the Wii, especially with motion controls. RE4 was better for it. I have no doubt this game would be as well.
I'm a little confused by this Adrock.

Part 1:
Why can't a console Experience be on Handheld?

Part 2:
You shouldn't have a Console Experience on Handheld.

You seem to contradict your own argument.

Honestly speaking I think this particular genre, Horror portion in specific, can benefit from the set form factor of the Handheld.  Also I know for the demographic of people who do not live alone this style of game normally isn't appealing for other parties to let you monopolize the TV for.  I think its perfectly suited for the handheld.  I need to stop I just close the lid.  I want to play while my son watches GeoTrax I just pop it open and put on some headphones.

Handhelds have the power to be viable alternatives in there own rights now and while its great to get that good usage out of your big TV and surround system its not necessarily essential.  I mean how many people here do PC gaming on a full surround system using a 40+ inch screen?  Most tend to use maybe dual monitors and a set of good headphones.  Even prefer it that way.

If you make me a Console quality and sized game on a handheld that's great and it should demand that sort of price.   One day it probably will.

Also the PSP allows you to play your mobile games on the big screen using a PS3 controller.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: ejamer on November 02, 2011, 09:55:44 AM
Everything I've seen about this game suggests that the price will be justified. Especially when you compare it to the games currently available on 3DS and consider the level of excitement that Revelations is currently generating among gamers.


In the end, charging more doesn't really affect my purchasing decision: $50 is a lot of scratch but not a meaningful increase from $40. (Neither price is casual/impulse purchase territory, which makes sense given the quality and nature of the game.)
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: ejamer on November 02, 2011, 10:09:02 AM
I hope this game sells well because Capcom needs to be rewarded for doing such a spectacular job on developing for the 3DS. I see this games as not only what the potential of the 3DS itself can do, but what a third party can do if they put actual effort into developing for a system. I hope it sells a million copies.


Totally agree.

Capcom doesn't always hit the mark - consider the silly save system for RE:Mercenaries - but everything that I see about RE:Revelations and Monster Hunter games coming out for 3DS makes me genuinely excited. These games appear to be the type of blockbusters that move systems and engross gamers for hundreds of hours. If that isn't worth rewarding by buying new, then I don't know what is.




(Edit: Sorry for the double post. Really wanted to agree with this point though. So far this looks like the first real showpiece game for 3DS - arguably moreso than anything Nintendo has in the pipe.)
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: Adrock on November 02, 2011, 11:57:21 AM
I'm a little confused by this Adrock.

Part 1:
Why can't a console Experience be on Handheld?

Part 2:
You shouldn't have a Console Experience on Handheld.

You seem to contradict your own argument.
It's not contradictory. I didn't say a console experience can't be on a handheld. It can. Why not? If a company wants to release what is essentially a console game on a handheld platform, said company is certainly within its right to do so. If it happens to be a game I want to play (in this case, Revelations), I'll buy it if I have the platform to play it on, but that doesn't mean I still wouldn't prefer that it was on a console. It seems silly to put a console game on a handheld without making use of its advantages. If a company released the same exact game on a handheld and console simultaneously, I would always get the console version. That's just personal preference. I'm not arguing over it's right to exist.

I'm mainly taking issue with people who think games are automatically worth less if they're on a handheld. I don't believe platform dictates value. The game itself dictates its value and I'll only pay as much as I think a game is worth. I would pay $50 for Resident Evil: Revelations on the any platform because I think it's worth $50. Had the game been released on the Wii instead, no one would be questioning the price.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: broodwars on November 02, 2011, 01:15:59 PM
Also the PSP allows you to play your mobile games on the big screen using a PS3 controller.

No, it doesn't.  While you can hook up a PSP to a TV to display games (and from my own experience doing that, the quality of that experience varies greatly depending on the game), only the PSP GO supports the Dualshock 3 controller as an input device as far as I'm aware.  And no one owns a PSP GO for good reason since it's a pretty crappy handheld.  Resistance 2 can also interface with a connected PSP to allow you to play Resistance Retribution with a Dualshock, but that requires that not only both systems are on but that your PS3 is in Resistance 2 the entire time.

That's why I'm looking forward to the Vita, as it'll probably not only look better hooked up to a TV but it'll probably have Dualshock support as well so I can play my console-like handheld games like console games.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: Ymeegod on November 02, 2011, 01:46:35 PM
Vita doesn't support TV Out according to Sony. 
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: broodwars on November 02, 2011, 01:57:01 PM
Vita doesn't support TV Out according to Sony.

That would be an unfortunate oversight.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: Ceric on November 02, 2011, 02:15:17 PM
Vita doesn't support TV Out according to Sony.

That would be an unfortunate oversight.
PSP Go is still a PSP.
Vita doesn't have TV Support.  That has been confirmed. Best you could hope for is maybe through the PS3 and if Developers use the inputs on the system you couldn't use a dual shock anyways.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: ejamer on November 02, 2011, 02:32:35 PM
Vita doesn't support TV Out according to Sony.

That would be an unfortunate oversight.


Or an indication that so few people used the feature it wasn't worth carrying over.

Most people who want a console experience (ie: big screen and surround sound speakers, not type of game) choose to buy and play console games. While it's nice to have a TV out option, not many people are willing to pay for it and the Vita is already an expensive piece of tech.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: NintendoFanboy on November 02, 2011, 05:41:17 PM
 I just ordered it on Amazon, for 39.99 . it says 49.99 you pay 39.99 in red.
well, thank you amazon, i'll take that.
infact, i was going to order it last week, off amazon, but forgot.
If you think vita games will be $30 your fooling yourself.
i'm betting vita games start at $50 to $60.
if they really are doing PS3 games on the go, 20gig cart anyone?
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: Mop it up on November 02, 2011, 06:17:14 PM
What about handheld games makes them inherently worth less than console games?
You sort of covered my case in your later thoughts: handhelds have tiny screens, poor sound quality, and an uncomfortable controller. It doesn't really matter what the game is in question, the experience isn't as good as a console game. Therefore, I am not willing to spend as much on a handheld game as I am a console game. I wouldn't say I view handheld games as inherently less value; games are worth whatever people are willing to pay, as long as they enjoy them. That's just my view.

As far as if this were a Wii game, in that case, it wouldn't be $10 more than the standard price for a full Wii game. Whether that's fair or not, that's the issue some people have. Possibly related, but the PSP has plenty of console-style games and I don't recall those being priced at $50-60, though to be fair I have never shopped for PSP games so I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: Ymeegod on November 02, 2011, 11:08:20 PM
"handhelds have tiny screens, poor sound quality, and an uncomfortable controller."

Why would tiny screen matter when you control how close you can be?  I have an 46inch TV that I sit 6 feet away from vrs my handhelds where I'm less than a foot from? 

Sound quality?  Are you talking about speakers--yeah they suck but you still have headphones option.  The WII supports just PL2 and that still just plain stereo.  Handhelds have their own 3D sound software but you didn't see much use on the DS I'm guessing due to storage issues but Capcom's pushing it for this game.

And uncomfortable controller?  You can buy grips and the analog addon comes built in with one.  The WII has the worst standard controller but nobody complains because you can swap it out with the classic controller PRO if you want it.  And on the XBOX you'll have to swap it out for any game that requires the use of the directional pad--in case you missed it but the Europeans been getting an updated controller for a few years now but MS is still shipping the same crappy one in the States--talk about unfair.

 
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: Ymeegod on November 02, 2011, 11:13:06 PM
The highest prices for last generation for handhelds was $40 which was an standard for many PSP titles and an few DS ones.  I'm guessing $50 for Vita would be normal prices.  If you don't like the prices and wait for sales or just rent the damn thing. 

The only game I paid "retail" for during the last couple of years was Xenoblade because the freaking game wasn't released stateside :(. 

Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: Mop it up on November 02, 2011, 11:19:39 PM
Why would tiny screen matter when you control how close you can be?  I have an 46inch TV that I sit 6 feet away from vrs my handhelds where I'm less than a foot from? 
You kind of answered your own question here. Holding something up to my face is not only uncomfortable, but having a light bulb so close strains my eyes. Looking at a television screen across the room does not cause discomfort.

Sound quality?  Are you talking about speakers--yeah they suck but you still have headphones option.
Headphones still don't equate to a good stereo. However, that isn't an issue because I have a cable to connect handhelds to my stereo. But the DS sound quality itself seems the same as the GBA, which doesn't sound as good as even the Super NES in some cases. I haven't played a 3DS game though, so I don't yet know how it compares.

The WII has the worst standard controller but nobody complains because you can swap it out with the classic controller PRO if you want it.
This statement means it's probably pointless to respond since it states an opinion as a fact (one which I completely disagree with), so I'll just say that comfort is subjective and different for everyone.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: Ymeegod on November 03, 2011, 02:13:06 AM
"light bulb so close strains my eyes"

Ah....That's not a problem for the majority of people, sounds like you have light sensitivity or something like that.

Stereo sounds is all the same, if you look at specs the DS kills the SNES but it's up to the developers for example listen to Square's FFTA2 soundtrack.  Alot of people say it doesn't sound the same as the SNES but that's mostly sloppy ports but if you take an game built on the system it sounds much better.  Same with the PSP.  The 3DS sounds great but the volume is pretty damn weak even with headphones--I'm guessing it's because of battery drainage.  There are apps that you can use to "fix" that issue or you can just buy headphones with external batteries.

As for the controller--I'm saying there's ways to improve the comfort level.  Sounds like you don't enjoy holding it but there's "stands" even, tons of gripes, etc.   

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Again all that is as you say personal but none of it reflexes why should developers charge LESS. 
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on November 03, 2011, 11:24:51 AM
Anyone buying this for $50, I am calling you a rube (North Americans, anyway. I realize the pricing models are completely different elsewhere).
 
This is a cash-grab and test of market tolerance not a "poor us, we need to recover cart costs" move.
 
I predict that within, say 6 months, there will be:
1. A price drop for the 3DS version;
2. A Vita version.
 
A little while later there will be:
3. A PS3 Hi-def version
4. Possibly the same for WiiU.
 
I predict none of 1 through 4 will be over $40. I also predict 3 and 4 (and possibly 2) will have increased content.
 
So be patient, friends. Vote with your dollars. Do not open up the market for $50 3DS games because you are being told the game is a "console-like" experience. What does that even mean? Not much, I submit, if you think about it for a moment.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: ejamer on November 03, 2011, 12:22:52 PM
Anyone buying this for $50, I am calling you a rube (North Americans, anyway. I realize the pricing models are completely different elsewhere).
 ...


So the question is to wait for 6+ months, or pay $10 for an advance copy?


This is the only 3DS game that I'm really looking forward to in the near future, with StarFox 64 the only already released game that I'm interested in buying. RE4 got massive amounts of playtime and I'm excited for another game in the series (even if RE5 was a disappointment).


Call me what you will but I'm happy to drop the $10 for a high quality game while you rubes sit around twiddling your thumbs for months on end. It's not like my gaming budget is suffering since there have been virtually no Wii or 3DS games worth owning in 2011.
 ;)




PS -- I'd probably be willing to pay $60 for the next Monster Hunter game on 3DS if it's an all-new, full-featured release. Monster Hunger Tri received well over 300 hours of gameplay on my Wii... and $0.20 per hour would seem like a steal for a portable version.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on November 03, 2011, 02:36:36 PM
So the question is to wait for 6+ months, or pay $10 for an advance copy?

I didn't say wait 6+ months. I said that there will be a price drop and a Vita version within 6 months. Six months was an outside number; I actually think the price drop will happen quite soon, maybe within a month but more likely two.
 
The position I want to advocate is that I wish you and others would wait for the price drop and send the message that the consumer base is unwilling to let $50 3DS games becaome the standard. I think that's the test ballon that's being floated here by Capcom.
 

Call me what you will
Rube!! You're ruining gaming for the rest of us!!!  ;)


PS -- I'd probably be willing to pay $60 for the next Monster Hunter game on 3DS if it's an all-new, full-featured release.
OK, now you're really ruining it for the rest of us.  ;D
 
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: Ceric on November 03, 2011, 02:48:57 PM
If I was Nintendo, I would make a concerted effort to exclusive lock in this game and Monster Hunter.  To the point that breaking the contract would give Nintendo enough money that it be better for them.  Though this would mean taking less per game sold.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on November 03, 2011, 03:11:21 PM
@Ceric: If Nintendo locked this in as an exclusive, that would certainly change things. I wonder if Ninty would approve of the price or want Capcom to "fall in line" with "typical" 3DS pricing?
 
Mind you, it seems that with Capcom right now, Nintendo will do what Capcom wants, not the other way around. (second slide-pad attachement, anyone?)
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: Ceric on November 03, 2011, 03:14:14 PM
@Ceric: If Nintendo locked this in as an exclusive, that would certainly change things. I wonder if Ninty would approve of the price or want Capcom to "fall in line" with "typical" 3DS pricing?
 
Mind you, it seems that with Capcom right now, Nintendo will do what Capcom wants, not the other way around. (second slide-pad attachement, anyone?)
I figured that the $50 price point would be part of the deal.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: ejamer on November 03, 2011, 03:29:18 PM
So the question is to wait for 6+ months, or pay $10 for an advance copy?

I didn't say wait 6+ months. I said that there will be a price drop and a Vita version within 6 months. Six months was an outside number; I actually think the price drop will happen quite soon, maybe within a month but more likely two.
 
The position I want to advocate is that I wish you and others would wait for the price drop and send the message that the consumer base is unwilling to let $50 3DS games becaome the standard. I think that's the test ballon that's being floated here by Capcom.
 

Call me what you will
Rube!! You're ruining gaming for the rest of us!!!  ;)


PS -- I'd probably be willing to pay $60 for the next Monster Hunter game on 3DS if it's an all-new, full-featured release.
OK, now you're really ruining it for the rest of us.  ;D


If there were other games out that appealed to me, I would fully agree with your post. Normally I'm in no rush to buy and all too happy waiting for price drops... but so far there has been very little that interests me and Capcom seems ready to take advantage of that lull by releasing a AAA-quality blockbuster on 3DS. If you put out the games I want - especially when nobody else is - then you get my money.


Don't even ask how much I would have paid for a North American version of Xenoblade, if I hadn't given up hope and imported.  (Hint: bought a second-hand Wii to install homebrew on so I could play...)
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on November 03, 2011, 03:45:29 PM
If there were other games out that appealed to me, I would fully agree with your post. Normally I'm in no rush to buy and all too happy waiting for price drops... but so far there has been very little that interests me and Capcom seems ready to take advantage of that lull by releasing a AAA-quality blockbuster on 3DS. If you put out the games I want - especially when nobody else is - then you get my money.
Fair enough.

Don't even ask how much I would have paid for a North American version of Xenoblade, if I hadn't given up hope and imported.  (Hint: bought a second-hand Wii to install homebrew on so I could play...)
Oh My Lord, that's brilliant! Futzing with my precious Wii and possibly messing it up is the one thing that's prevented me from importing. I may actually consider going your route. Never thought of it.
Did everything work out OK?
(I should say that I am still holding out hope for a NA release. I am currently willing to give it another year.)
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: KDR_11k on November 03, 2011, 03:55:03 PM
When I first saw the headline I didn't remember that 3DS games aren't 45-50 in the US and thought "what's the deal?"


Oh My Lord, that's brilliant! Futzing with my precious Wii and possibly messing it up is the one thing that's prevented me from importing. I may actually consider going your route. Never thought of it.
Did everything work out OK?
(I should say that I am still holding out hope for a NA release. I am currently willing to give it another year.)


Do you remember that one Wii update that bricked loads of systems? Applying that was a SIGNIFICANTLY higher risk than installing homebrew. The mechanisms used by that update have been in the Wii for a long time but homebrewers decided not to use them as they were too buggy. The homebrewers actually rewrote those routines to be more reliable!
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: MarioKart7 on November 03, 2011, 04:23:40 PM
Wow 10 dollars more. I would still buy it but it rated M, imma still try to get it though
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on November 03, 2011, 05:25:44 PM
Do you remember that one Wii update that bricked loads of systems? Applying that was a SIGNIFICANTLY higher risk than installing homebrew. The mechanisms used by that update have been in the Wii for a long time but homebrewers decided not to use them as they were too buggy. The homebrewers actually rewrote those routines to be more reliable!
No slight on the homebrewers, it is my lack of tech savy and skill that I am afraid of. :-[
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: Mop it up on November 03, 2011, 07:44:37 PM
The game is available for pre-order on Amazon at $40, so anyone who wants the game but doesn't like the higher price should jump on that before all their pre-orders are filled.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: NintendoFanboy on November 06, 2011, 06:06:58 PM
 mop it up has it right.
buy it for $40 now and show u want this content.
If u wait for the PS3 port, in HD for $40 or $50, then u will tell capcom, we want this on the PS3
 or a sloppy control version for $10 on IOS.
If u are not a supporter fine, but calling other people names, is a sign
of low intellegence.
Title: Re: Resident Evil: Revelations to Cost $50
Post by: ejamer on November 06, 2011, 07:36:30 PM
Don't even ask how much I would have paid for a North American version of Xenoblade, if I hadn't given up hope and imported.  (Hint: bought a second-hand Wii to install homebrew on so I could play...)
Oh My Lord, that's brilliant! Futzing with my precious Wii and possibly messing it up is the one thing that's prevented me from importing. I may actually consider going your route. Never thought of it.
Did everything work out OK?
(I should say that I am still holding out hope for a NA release. I am currently willing to give it another year.)


Everything went fine. It took more time than I had expected to get everything installed, but wasn't difficult and the hack worked perfectly. It was also easily worth the $40 we paid for the used console.


(I should clarify though: there are actually a couple of reasons why we bought a used Wii, it wasn't just for Xenoblade even though that did play a big part in the decision. Having a second Netflix box in the house was part of the incentive, there are a handful of other Wii games I want that haven't made it to North America, and we also have a large amount of downloaded content on our existing, barely-working Wii. Installing homebrew on a system that will probably be sent to Nintendo for repairs soon seemed like a questionable idea.)