Gaming Forums => Nintendo Gaming => Topic started by: UncleBob on April 15, 2010, 10:43:42 PM
Title: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: UncleBob on April 15, 2010, 10:43:42 PM
I know this isn't something you'd be super-excited about (I can't imagine doing this to all your N64 games!), but I wanted to pass it along - it looks pretty awesome.
Basically, one of the guys on TheCoverProject.net has gone crazy and made miniature replica boxes for some N64 games: (http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/683/pic2.jpg) (http://math.mercyhurst.edu/%7Ecshaffer/construction/TCP/april_15_2010/shenske_mini_box%282%29.JPG) They do look super-neat. They're still playing with the idea, trying to see if there's any interest in the project.
Just wanted to pass it along. http://www.thecoverproject.net/forums/index.php?topic=3730.0 (http://www.thecoverproject.net/forums/index.php?topic=3730.0) http://www.thecoverproject.net/forums/index.php?topic=3774.0 (http://www.thecoverproject.net/forums/index.php?topic=3774.0)
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: Mop it up on April 15, 2010, 10:51:47 PM
Seems like an interesting idea, I'll bet a collection stored with these would look nice. The original boxes don't make for good storage due to their size, as well as wanting to keep the valuable ones in good condition.
That'd cost a lot for all that cardboard paper and ink though, I wonder how much that would be...?
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: ThePerm on April 16, 2010, 02:38:47 AM
nice, wishes nintendo did that to start...
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 16, 2010, 10:24:33 AM
You could ask the same thing about any game box, games could fit into CD jewel cases (which is what Sega did with the Dreamcast).
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: Halbred on April 16, 2010, 04:50:55 PM
Oh man, GAME BOY covers? I assume those are DS game cases. How...how does that work? Does the GB game just kinda flop around in the box?
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on April 16, 2010, 04:57:46 PM
Oh man, GAME BOY covers? I assume those are DS game cases. How...how does that work? Does the GB game just kinda flop around in the box?
You can find the answer in this highly informative and entertaining video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CtsVgJ1irs).
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: ThePerm on April 16, 2010, 05:51:38 PM
the problem with jewel cases is they seem so fracture prone, idk why cus they get handled with care, i suppose you cant trust that type of plastic, and dvd case plastic is much more rubbery. There are the rubbery type of cases that are just disc sized.
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: UncleBob on April 16, 2010, 11:40:11 PM
Oh man, GAME BOY covers? I assume those are DS game cases. How...how does that work? Does the GB game just kinda flop around in the box?
More info here: http://www.thecoverproject.net/forums/index.php?topic=1866.0 (http://www.thecoverproject.net/forums/index.php?topic=1866.0)
There's a couple of different options avalible. For a while, I was using Doom's smush 'em in method - but then my wife got me a Dremel tool for Christmas and I went through and cut all the cases like this: (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v180/TheUncleBob/1003091827.jpg) And they're awesome. :) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v180/TheUncleBob/Mobile%20Uploads/0416002236.jpg)
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 17, 2010, 01:01:48 AM
UncleBob always makes me feel better about my purchasing habits and how I spend my free time.
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: UncleBob on April 17, 2010, 01:09:25 AM
ummm... You're welcome?
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: Shaymin on April 17, 2010, 07:49:41 PM
brb, home depot
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: King of Twitch on April 17, 2010, 07:50:39 PM
No! Go to OSH! They pay sales tax today
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: UncleBob on June 18, 2010, 02:45:08 PM
It says "over 300" even though there are 296 releases. Unless there's some dupes I didn't see (there were 2 OoTs), the guy must not have bothered to count.
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: UncleBob on June 18, 2010, 11:59:06 PM
Because the Nintendo 64 is the best system ever, with every game being the best.
Does that include the N64 Pac-Man that you never played?
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It says "over 300" even though there are 296 releases. Unless there's some dupes I didn't see (there were 2 OoTs), the guy must not have bothered to count.
GameSniped says: "I believe there were 387 N64 titles, with 308 of those being US releases."
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: Mop it up on June 19, 2010, 12:45:43 AM
Who are you going to believe, someone who put together an article in too much haste to fact-check, or someone who owns every game?
I don't have to play it to know it is the best arcade game ever.
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: UncleBob on June 19, 2010, 12:55:39 AM
Look, I love Pac-Man, but it's not the best arcade game ever. I'd put it in the top ten, easily, but Ms. Pac Man is far better than Pac-Man. Also, Donkey Kong. :p
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: Mop it up on June 19, 2010, 01:03:47 AM
Both of which are on the N64 in some form, so they are both also the best arcade game ever.
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: UncleBob on June 19, 2010, 01:09:23 AM
Two can't be the "best ever". :p
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: UncleBob on June 19, 2010, 01:14:00 AM
Okay, Wiki says:
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Of the console's 387 official releases, 84 were exclusive to Japan, 42 to North America, and 4 to Europe.
Wait, I fail math... You and Wikipedia and GameSniped all disagree on the number of US games... ?
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 19, 2010, 01:16:35 AM
That's what everyone says, but clearly, once someone plays every N64 game, they realize they are all the best-something-ever.
Where does Wikipedia say the number of NA releases? The portion you quoted says 42 games were exclusive to NA.
387 -84 Japanese Exclusives -4 Europe Exclusives = 299.
Although, I guess that doesn't account for Europe and Japanese Games that weren't released in the US....
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: Mop it up on June 19, 2010, 01:30:19 AM
Right, it doesn't. There were a few of those. One is Rakuga Kids, I'd have to look up the supposed other two.
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: UncleBob on June 19, 2010, 01:32:07 AM
Okay, I cut and pasted the list into Calc, sorted by region and removed anything that was released in NA.
...296!
I never should have doubted you!
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: UncleBob on June 19, 2010, 01:33:02 AM
Air Boarder 64 Centre Court Tennis •Let's SmashJP Rakuga Kids
Those are the three JPN/EU titles.
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: Mop it up on June 19, 2010, 01:47:12 AM
Sounds nifty. Do you think you could count the list in that auction you posted? I'm curious if there are 296, or if anything is listed which shouldn't be there.
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: UncleBob on June 19, 2010, 01:51:22 AM
I did one better. Sorted the trimmed down list from Wikipedia alphabetically, then pasted his list beside it (as he had his in mostly alphabetical order). Looks like they match up (aside from a few mistakes on his part with the alphabetizing).
Wonder where he gets the 300+ number from...
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: UncleBob on June 19, 2010, 01:52:27 AM
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: Mop it up on June 19, 2010, 02:00:24 AM
He might have some dupes, that's my guess... unless he has always been too lazy to count his games over the past ten years.
That actually might not be a bad price for that 64DD lot. I don't really know the value of it, but I know it's all rare stuff. And it's all in nice condition with boxes for most stuff.
Sadly, $1,500 probably isn't much less than that all game auction will go for.
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: UncleBob on July 23, 2010, 11:43:34 PM
That auction ended up going for $2,025, by the way.
Here's another auction of interest http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160386514437
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: Mop it up on July 24, 2010, 04:41:39 PM
That's almost exactly was I would expect it to go for.
I think they featured the FuN CenteR in Nintendo Power before. What I find interesting is that the seller says they have more than one. I wonder where they got them from...?
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: UncleBob on September 25, 2010, 09:52:53 PM
Let's try this again... http://www.gamesniped.com/2010/09/25/custom-cartridge-end-labels/ (http://www.gamesniped.com/2010/09/25/custom-cartridge-end-labels/)
Neat idea. $3 each seems a bit high though..
*edit* Maybe not... "They are printed on 3M Vinyl (not paper stickers) with a UV Lamination and computer die cut!"
Don't order from this guy. Turns out, he ripped a lot of the work from TheCoverProject.net and is now selling it for a profit. Scummy. Perhaps I spoke too soon...
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: Mop it up on September 25, 2010, 09:58:59 PM
Those are pretty sharp. I kind of wonder why Nintendo chose not to stretch the label out over the top, did they really save money by doing so? I guess with the price of cartridges, every little bit helped. Looks like they think there are 289 Nintendo 64 games instead of 296. I'm going to guess they took the list from Nintendo's website, which has 289 on it. I'd have to find some of my old notes to tell you which labels you wouldn't get if you ordered the full set.
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: UncleBob on September 25, 2010, 10:02:32 PM
There's some discussion about this on the NintendoAge forums - it appears in the full set you can order for $100, you'd get all 296 labels... http://www.nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?StartRow=1&catid=6&threadid=39106
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: ThePerm on September 26, 2010, 03:08:03 AM
i dont think i'd pay 40 for that, but i would totally make them myself now that i've seen that, i have marker on the top of most of my n64 games except a couple for aesthetic reasons, but this is much classier.
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: UncleBob on September 26, 2010, 12:48:22 PM
Don't order from this guy.
Turns out, he ripped a lot of the work from TheCoverProject and is now selling it for a profit.
Scummy.
Belay that, me harties!
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 26, 2010, 01:27:28 PM
But he is still providing a service. I do think he should give credit to them, but it's not like he is doing anything illegal (since TheCoverProject can't copyright those images). I am not condoning it, but he is offering a service that TCP doesn't.
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: UncleBob on September 26, 2010, 01:35:40 PM
But he is still providing a service. I do think he should give credit to them, but it's not like he is doing anything illegal (since TheCoverProject can't copyright those images). I am not condoning it, but he is offering a service that TCP doesn't.
Think of it this way - Pretend I took the sprites, music, backgrounds and SFX from, say, the original Zelda and created a whole new game, uploading it on the internet for anyone to freely download - asking nothing for it.
Then, someone comes along, takes my ROM and reproduces it onto a reproduction cart, selling the carts for $100 and giving me absolutely no credit or profits and making no effort to inform people where he got the ROM from.
Would you still say it good that he's providing a service that I don't?
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 26, 2010, 01:40:54 PM
but he is printing it on to stickers for people to apply that are already cut out to fit perfectly on the carts.
there was actual effort, manufacturing and overhead for something like that.
I'm sure it's only expensive now because he didn't buy the sticker vinyl in bulk.
$3 individually is kinda expensive, but $100 for 296 of them seems more than reasonable.
what would be nice of him though would be to put up the source for those that want to print/cut it out for themselves
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: UncleBob on September 26, 2010, 01:43:03 PM
Actually, he mentions in one of his posts that he works in a sign shop - so I'm willing to bet he (well, the shop he works for) did buy the sticker vinyl in bulk.
what would be nice of him though would be to put up the source for those that want to print/cut it out for themselves
If he did that, there probably wouldn't be any complaints. If he submitted them to TCP as well, I'd bet there wouldn't be any complaints at all.
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: Mop it up on September 26, 2010, 06:51:53 PM
I'm pretty sure that the box images are copyright, so does that make these illegal?
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: ThePerm on September 26, 2010, 07:09:04 PM
Hard to say, id put it under fair use. They would have those images copyright for the making of boxes, but unless the companies started making stickers themselves than there is no monetary conflict. So, no point to sue.
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: Louieturkey on September 27, 2010, 02:14:46 AM
But he is still providing a service. I do think he should give credit to them, but it's not like he is doing anything illegal (since TheCoverProject can't copyright those images). I am not condoning it, but he is offering a service that TCP doesn't.
Think of it this way - Pretend I took the sprites, music, backgrounds and SFX from, say, the original Zelda and created a whole new game, uploading it on the internet for anyone to freely download - asking nothing for it.
Then, someone comes along, takes my ROM and reproduces it onto a reproduction cart, selling the carts for $100 and giving me absolutely no credit or profits and making no effort to inform people where he got the ROM from.
Would you still say it good that he's providing a service that I don't?
The problem with this analogy is that Nintendo would send their lawyers after you before you even finished the game so he'd never have a game to steal.
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: Mop it up on September 27, 2010, 02:46:28 AM
UncleBob's example actually happened. It's called Zelda Outlands, and there's a site out there that sells an NES cartridge of it (I have no idea if they have permission from/credit the hack creator or not). That probably isn't the only example out there, either.
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: UncleBob on September 27, 2010, 07:15:26 AM
But he is still providing a service. I do think he should give credit to them, but it's not like he is doing anything illegal (since TheCoverProject can't copyright those images). I am not condoning it, but he is offering a service that TCP doesn't.
Think of it this way - Pretend I took the sprites, music, backgrounds and SFX from, say, the original Zelda and created a whole new game, uploading it on the internet for anyone to freely download - asking nothing for it.
Then, someone comes along, takes my ROM and reproduces it onto a reproduction cart, selling the carts for $100 and giving me absolutely no credit or profits and making no effort to inform people where he got the ROM from.
Would you still say it good that he's providing a service that I don't?
The problem with this analogy is that Nintendo would send their lawyers after you before you even finished the game so he'd never have a game to steal.
Nada. Mop it up mentioned just one example of many, many home brew titles that have ripped art from other Nintendo titles. Nintendo's actually been pretty laid back when it comes to stuff like this - I'm not sure I've ever really heard of a case of them going after someone... if I had, I assume OoT2D would have been hit, since it was virtually the most high-profile game of this type I can think of.
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: Stratos on September 27, 2010, 08:02:38 AM
I'm pretty sure OoT2D was given a cease and desist. Or did that get reversed?
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 27, 2010, 09:33:47 AM
It would never get reversed because it was a clear sign of copyright infringement. Nintendo just usually do anything because most of the games are just simple flash games. Legally we all know Nintendo could shut them all down if they wanted too.
Bob, yes I would say they still would be providing a service. They are putting the game on a cartridge and letting people play it easily (although they would get shut down before they could sell a copy). Same here, all TCP does is provide the design (which isn't even of use to me since I don't have access to a color printer). This guy is not only adjusting it for use on a cartridge, but he is printing it on a sticker and doing all the hard work.
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: UncleBob on September 27, 2010, 07:01:14 PM
Sorry, I disagree. But that's just my humble opinion. I think the guy's a douche and that's that. I'm not going to promote his work if it's just charging a mark-up on the work of other people. Maybe I'm the douche...
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: Louieturkey on September 28, 2010, 12:56:00 AM
I'm pretty sure OoT2D was given a cease and desist. Or did that get reversed?
This is what I heard as well and it was what I was basing my statement on earlier. I was looking forward to the game as it was going to be free, but they shut it down due to Nintendo telling them to shut down.
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: DAaaMan64 on September 28, 2010, 04:08:29 AM
Now "Dampe" randomly appears (http://z14.invisionfree.com/Ocarina_Of_Time_2D/index.php?act=idx), says bullshit then dissapears. This project will never be unless a different team actually takes it seriously.
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: Stratos on September 28, 2010, 04:31:24 AM
I forgot all about the fake death thing.
PS- How fitting is it that Mop it up has a Applause score of 64?
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: that Baby guy on September 28, 2010, 07:08:04 AM
Now "Dampe" randomly appears (http://z14.invisionfree.com/Ocarina_Of_Time_2D/index.php?act=idx), says bullshit then dissapears. This project will never be unless a different team actually takes it seriously.
Wait, what?
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: UncleBob on September 28, 2010, 08:35:49 AM
Yup yup - the whole fake death thing.
Again, I'm not really aware of any public case of Nintendo sending a c/d over a homebrew/hack like this.
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: Mop it up on September 28, 2010, 06:01:12 PM
Now "Dampe" randomly appears (http://z14.invisionfree.com/Ocarina_Of_Time_2D/index.php?act=idx), says bullshit then dissapears. This project will never be unless a different team actually takes it seriously.
That's some pretty messed up stuff there. It sounds like he either lacked the skill to finish the project or just plain got bored of it, but didn't want to admit it.
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: MegaByte on September 28, 2010, 06:06:13 PM
Again, I'm not really aware of any public case of Nintendo sending a c/d over a homebrew/hack like this.
On a server I ran, I got a C&D for a Mario PC clone game that we had available for download. But it wasn't Nintendo who sent out the C&D, it was one of the *AA groups.
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: UncleBob on September 28, 2010, 07:53:03 PM
Again, I'm not really aware of any public case of Nintendo sending a c/d over a homebrew/hack like this.
On a server I ran, I got a C&D for a Mario PC clone game that we had available for download. But it wasn't Nintendo who sent out the C&D, it was one of the *AA groups.
RIAA/MPAA? Weird... did it use mainstream (copyrighted) music or something?
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: MegaByte on September 28, 2010, 07:57:41 PM
Let's not be pedantic. It was the ESA or BSA or some such, but I don't recall which one. I don't know if they actually have the authority to do that or not.
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: UncleBob on September 28, 2010, 08:24:13 PM
Let's not be pedantic. It was the ESA or BSA or some such, but I don't recall which one. I don't know if they actually have the authority to do that or not.
Well, a C/D from the RIAA/MPAA would be a totally different beast than one from the ESA or... ummm... the Boy Scouts of America?
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 28, 2010, 08:50:55 PM
There actually is a Business Software Alliance, but they focus on stuff like IT software. The ESA represents its members (and Nintendo is a member), so I am pretty sure it does have the authority to deal with legal matters like copyright violations.
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: UncleBob on September 29, 2010, 10:42:10 PM
Great news - mrbigreddog, shenske and I have been talking a bit and mrbigreddog is joining TheCoverProject with the goal of hashing out a complete set of the N64 labels. The plan is to upload them to the site (for free download, of course) and for him to still offer his printing services if you want the high quality printed labels.
Win, win, win!
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: Stratos on September 29, 2010, 10:47:46 PM
I'm glad that was worked out. Though I think I would rather make my own. But great to have the option out there.
UncleBob, you should badger them to make sure special ones are made for the gold holo Zelda carts.
Title: Re: Attention Mop it up and other N64 fans
Post by: Mop it up on September 30, 2010, 03:09:57 AM
