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Title: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 9: Playing Games?
Post by: UncleBob on April 15, 2010, 01:06:01 AM
Poll 1: Super Mario Bros. 3 Poll 2: Super Mario Bros Poll 3: Donkey Kong Poll 4: Puzzle League Poll 5: Metroid Poll 6: Resident Evil 2 Poll 7: SNES Poll 8: DS/DSi Poll 9: Playing Games...
So, I'm going to pick a game that's been remade and re-released on multiple systems and in different versions.
I want you to vote for which version you like the best. And discuss it here. The voting will be active for 48 hours - after which, I'll copy the results into the thread and reset the poll with a new game.
First up - Super Mario Bros. 3!
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on April 15, 2010, 01:07:21 AM
I voted for SMA4:SMB3. The e-Reader support, although killed way to early, was great - new levels are always nice and it was fun to have the cape in SMB3.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: Toruresu on April 15, 2010, 01:08:20 AM
Nothing beats the original.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: broodwars on April 15, 2010, 01:16:54 AM
I picked the Mario All Stars version, if only because that's the first version I ever actually beat (despite owning the NES version way back when, I never could beat either that or Mario 1 until All Stars). Besides, the graphical face lift and ability to save your progress and play with the SNES controller was very much appreciated, and you didn't have any silly voices getting in the way of the experience.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 15, 2010, 01:22:31 AM
SMA4 for me. Just loved the graphical face lift, the new levels (well as many as we could unlock with the ereader cards out in America), and liked the opening story. Nothing major but all add up to a good package.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: KDR_11k on April 15, 2010, 02:15:22 AM
I went with SMAS, it combines the improved graphics with unaltered gameplay, SMA4 made some changes like having hits drop you down to Super Mario if you're using any higher suits.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: ThePerm on April 15, 2010, 02:40:47 AM
the controls feel tighter to me on smb3 over all stars, SMA4 had different music on the some levels.....
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 15, 2010, 09:29:32 AM
I think it's a tie between the SNES and GBA version, so I went with the SNES one. The NES original is still a good game, but the remakes vastly improved the game. Better graphics, better sound, the SNES one had better control (I had no problem with the controls on GBA, but I know others did), and a SAVE system so you didn't have to play the entire game in one sitting.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: Peachylala on April 15, 2010, 09:52:34 AM
The SNES version is my favorite due to my consistent need to up my game in high scores (score attacking, mind you). While the NES version is great for nostalgic purposes and such, nothing can top SNES graphics and sound.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: Ian Sane on April 15, 2010, 01:33:59 PM
The SNES version had the ability to save which really should have already been there for a game the size of SMB3. And I like how the SNES version doesn't **** around with the game itself. It adds the save, improves the graphics and sound and that's it. Otherwise it's the same game.
I think it benefits from the time it was released. SMB3 was not that old of a title yet so the game design conventions of the day were similar. These days things have changed too much. A lot of the game design conventions of the NES era are, right or wrong, regarded as out-of-date by developers. So there is a tendency with remakes to modernize the game for the current audience. But since these games weren't designed with those modern changes in mind the balance of a game can be thrown out of whack.
Plus Nintendo put Mario's voice in the remake. :@
To me an ideal remake should only try to patch up the rough stuff. Tighten the controls if they're loose, add save capability, fix bugs, bring graphics and sounds to a level where it isn't hard to look at or hear them, boost clunky framerates. And then there's also stuff like streamlining the menu in Dragon Quest or making it so you don't attack dead enemies in Final Fantasy. The goal should be to try to present as close to the same game as possible, just without the broken stuff we no longer will tolerate. It's more like just making the game available on modern systems.
Or the other option is to go all Metroid: Zero Mission where the remake is so different that it's really a brand new game that's merely inspired by the original. That's more like a movie remake where it's the same general plot and idea but with a different director, script and cast. Either go for broke or be conservative. Don't do this in-between bullshit where you just end up breaking the game.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: vudu on April 15, 2010, 01:48:27 PM
The NES game played on the Wii VC is the best version of SMB3. This is not debatable.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: Peachylala on April 15, 2010, 02:44:17 PM
The NES game played on the Wii VC is the best version of SMB3. This is not debatable.
This. The save state does wonders.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 15, 2010, 03:13:11 PM
The NES graphics were ugly and outdated even by the time Super Mario All-Stars came out. Still a good game, but it's like comparing a VHS version of a movie with the Blu-ray Disc version.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: vudu on April 15, 2010, 03:29:42 PM
Ugly? Outdated? Sir, I have lost what little respect I had for you.
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Post by: Halbred on April 15, 2010, 03:45:52 PM
While I love the original game, I really REALLY love the SNES version. Hell, Super Mario All-Stars in general is an incredible game.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 15, 2010, 05:18:09 PM
I went with SMAS, it combines the improved graphics with unaltered gameplay, SMA4 made some changes like having hits drop you down to Super Mario if you're using any higher suits.
I guess you're familiar with the Japanese version, or maybe Nintendo respected European gamers more than Americans, but it always did that in American version of Mario 3.
I've got to go with Super Mario Advance 4; it's the perfect mix of updated graphics, a save feature, and portability, as well as being the version I've spent the most time with.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: Mop it up on April 15, 2010, 07:21:23 PM
I've never been a fan of remakes, I don't really see the point. But this stems from a tendency to view games as art, and a true work of art will stand the test of time and not need to be remade.
So I chose the original. Vudu has a point about the VC, but you can't use the NES controller, the resolution is higher, and you don't have to spend 15 minutes getting the cartridge to work, so the experience isn't the same.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on April 15, 2010, 07:23:38 PM
You can use an NES controller on the VC Version. :) http://www.retrousb.com/index.php?cPath=22&osCsid=5410184666cbdd442ecfaf8ff5fc408d
For future polls - should the results be hidden until polling is closed, or just let everyone view them?
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: Mop it up on April 15, 2010, 07:24:48 PM
I've seen that before, but it isn't official or practical so...
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on April 15, 2010, 07:29:15 PM
While it isn't official ('meh), how is it not practical? Overpriced, maybe...
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 15, 2010, 07:32:15 PM
I don't get how you can pick the All Stars version over SMA4; SMA4 is the All Stars version except portable and with extra levels. If you'd rather play it on a TV, use a Game Boy Player.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on April 15, 2010, 07:33:09 PM
The "voices" added to SMA4 are quite annoying.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: Mop it up on April 15, 2010, 07:35:19 PM
I actually clicked the link this time, it isn't the big three-in-one box thing that I thought it was. No idea there was more than one retro adapter out there.
Considering that many retro game stores have NES controllers for a couple bucks or less, I'd say it's overpriced. Though I do wonder how well it works, and if it has a slower response time... I know people had some issues with GameCube controller extension cables that had loose connections.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 15, 2010, 07:36:20 PM
I don't get how you can pick the All Stars version over SMA4; SMA4 is the All Stars version except portable and with extra levels. If you'd rather play it on a TV, use a Game Boy Player.
The All Stars version has better graphics and sound, and no character voices. Also, can't you get the extra levels only if you buy e-Reader cards, which are now rare and expensive?
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: Shorty McNostril on April 15, 2010, 09:40:37 PM
I chose all stars because it's the only one I've played.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on April 15, 2010, 09:45:37 PM
I don't get how you can pick the All Stars version over SMA4; SMA4 is the All Stars version except portable and with extra levels. If you'd rather play it on a TV, use a Game Boy Player.
The All Stars version has better graphics and sound, and no character voices. Also, can't you get the extra levels only if you buy e-Reader cards, which are now rare and expensive?
If you have a GBA GameShark/Action Replay, you can download SMA4 Save Files with the extra levels on them - even the ones that weren't released here in the US. :)
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: Mop it up on April 15, 2010, 10:11:21 PM
That's kind of nice. Though if I were going to go that far, I'd just get the PC version and have the ability to create my own levels.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 15, 2010, 10:13:41 PM
The difference is that a GameShark/Action Replay is legal, a ROM of the game isn't.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: Mop it up on April 15, 2010, 10:15:54 PM
Weren't the extra levels on e-Reader cards? That doesn't make them illegal to download?
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on April 15, 2010, 10:20:54 PM
I think it's a pretty gray area (and I'm very against downloading of ROMs).
Save files are something user-created - as such, I don't think there's any way Nintendo can claim copyright to them - any more than Microsoft can claim the book you wrote using Microsoft Word is their property.
Since there's no way to separate the World-e part of the save file from the rest of the save file, I don't think they'd have any kind of legal standing.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: Mop it up on April 15, 2010, 10:40:07 PM
Since it is a product that was available for sale, even if it isn't currently, it still seems like stealing. It doesn't seem different than accessing DLC without paying for it, especially if it is the type of DLC that is already contained in the game and you essentially buy a download code.
Legally it might be a gray area, but morally, I don't see a difference between that and downloading ROMs. Either way, you're acquiring a copyrighted product.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on April 15, 2010, 10:45:24 PM
Lets say I was going to send you a copy of my SMA3 save file - would you have a problem with that? It also contains copyrighted product...
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: King of Twitch on April 16, 2010, 09:49:00 PM
Is there a reason the Wii version isn't an option? The save state is really nice, and the remote feels nice and light.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on April 16, 2010, 11:27:52 PM
I didn't count it since I pretty much considered it the same as the NES version. I'll keep this in mind for future polls.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 16, 2010, 11:30:18 PM
Other than the flash save, it is the same game and it would have been stupid IMO to give it its own poll spot.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 16, 2010, 11:32:26 PM
The save state feature is pretty damn significant, though. Without it the original is last by a ton; with it it's still probably last for me, but it's a lot closer.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on April 16, 2010, 11:42:21 PM
Personally, I didn't think the game itself is any different. It's just the system you play it on. Should I include a spot for playing the ROM on a PC with an emulator too? :)
But, 'meh... if enough people want to include the VC versions, it's not like there's limited poll space available...
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: Mop it up on April 17, 2010, 12:25:37 AM
Yeah, going with all official releases probably isn't a bad idea. You could rename the thread to "Original vs. Re-release vs. Remake" if you felt the desire.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on April 17, 2010, 01:10:27 AM
Poll #1 Results: Super Mario Bros. 3 Super Mario Bros. 3 - NES - 6 (27.3%) Super Mario Bros. 3 (From Super Mario All-Stars) - SNES - 11 (50%) Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3 - GBA - 5 (22.7%)
Total Members Voted: 22
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on April 17, 2010, 01:17:59 AM
New Poll is up. This is one of the situations where I'm iffy about listing "all" the releases - Aside from the flash save, the NES, GCN, GBA and Wii versions are - practically - exactly the same. But we'll see how it goes.
Plus, you get into the icky area with Super Mario Bros./Duck Hunt and Super Mario Bros./Duck Hunt/World Class Track Meet. ;)
Anywhoo, this'll be the last Mario poll for awhile. Got a few others lined up that I'd like to run. I just wanted to use this as a chance to plug the DX version of SMB. That version rocks. Ya got the original, most of the Lost Levels, plus all kinds of bonuses - along with You vs. Boo/the first real multi-player Mario vs. Luigi game. It's almost not even fair to pit those other versions against this one. If it wasn't for the funky screen ratio of this version, it'd be perfect.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: Mop it up on April 17, 2010, 01:20:06 AM
I'm going to go with original again. The All-Stars version changed the physics, so it plays a bit weird. The DX version had some cool new features, like finding the five coins in each level. But the smaller screen area really messed me up.
I've got it on VC for free through a recent promotion, I might play it again soon since it has been years...
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 17, 2010, 01:48:43 AM
I went with the DX version of Super Mario Bros because of the extra content.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: Stratos on April 17, 2010, 01:50:38 AM
I never understood why there was no intro music in the original SMB3. I remember getting my mind and ears blown the first time I played Mario All Stars and heard the intro music. Was there just not enough room on the NES cart?
I'm going with the GBC DX version because it was the version where I first actually beat the game. I could never beat the original. This was partly due to the lack of a save feature but I also sucked at world 8.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: Peachylala on April 17, 2010, 01:51:49 AM
SMB DX as well. Mostly due to the extra features in the game.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 17, 2010, 10:51:38 AM
Either the All-Stars or Deluxe (the game's name is Super Mario Bros. Deluxe).
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: Stratos on April 17, 2010, 05:02:14 PM
DX is short hand for Deluxe. I think in Japan the title is actually DX
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 17, 2010, 05:35:12 PM
I know that. I just meant that in this case the games name is "Deluxe", whereas with the Link's Awakening it is "DX" (meaning Super Mario Bros. Deluxe and The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening DX).
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on April 18, 2010, 12:07:52 AM
How interesting - with SMB3, there was a pretty clear winner (SMAS getting 50% of the vote. Currently, three different versions are tied.
If DX Deluxe had been released without the stupid screen/resolution issues, I bet it'd be the run-away winner. :)
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 18, 2010, 12:12:19 AM
And if Super Mario 64 DS were released on a system with an analog stick it would be the best version of the game, but it wasn't.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: Mop it up on April 18, 2010, 01:52:40 AM
Probably, though I'd also like it to have the smooth graphics of the original.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: Stratos on April 18, 2010, 05:05:43 AM
And if Super Mario 64 DS were released on a system with an analog stick it would be the best version of the game, but it wasn't.
I'd buy a DSiWare version on a 3DS if that system has some kind of analogue control or even a WiiWare version if I could use the classic controller. I've avoided the title for quite a while because of the reportedly terrible controls.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: Peachylala on April 18, 2010, 11:43:25 AM
The controls weren't THAT terrible. Took some time getting used to, but still, the game was playable.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: Stratos on April 18, 2010, 02:36:48 PM
I'll keep that in mind. I've been tempted to try and pick it up anyway once I find a cheap copy for sale.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 18, 2010, 09:23:36 PM
I never said the controls in SM64DS were terrible; I got along with them just fine, but there's no denying that an analog stick would have made it a lot better. The extra content wasn't all great (having to catch more of those rabbits was annoying, especially having to do it with the D-Pad), but a lot of it was pretty good, and it fixed the camera, which is the only part of the original game that I think hasn't held up. With an analog stick it would certainly be the definitive version of an all-time classic game; as it is, it's a game that's quality depends on how well you can get used to the controls.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: Mop it up on April 18, 2010, 11:34:42 PM
How well did the touch screen controls work with the thumb nub? I had a DS Lite so I didn't have one.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 18, 2010, 11:41:24 PM
I didn't like them. The lack of self-centering works well for some things, especially any kind of aiming, but I don't like to use a touch screen stick for movement. The best setup I found was to use the d-pad with the option turned on so that you run by default and walk at a normal pace by holding down Y.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: King of Twitch on April 19, 2010, 12:22:51 AM
Are you going to talk about your SMB3 play, UncleBob?
I started the VC version just before NSMBW came out and progressed along the two games about the same speed. I got to the 7th world castle with the screen full of coins and cranked out 99 extra lives. When I got to the final airship though, I was down to about 8.. How could this happen?? Careless pride my friends...Careless pride.
I was too depressed to go on, thinking the inevitable game over meant I would have to trudge through world 8 again with only 5 lives, so I set it down until last week. By the time I got to Bowser, I was down to 3, and on the very... last... one...my timer...ran... out.
It's still the greatest.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 19, 2010, 01:20:27 AM
Heh looks like a 3 way tie between the NES,All-Stars, and the GBC version of Super Mario Bros.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on April 19, 2010, 09:05:31 AM
Day 2 Poll Results: Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario Bros. - NES - 4 (30.8%) Super Mario Bros. (Super Mario All Stars) - SNES - 4 (30.8%) Super Mario Bros. (Animal Crossing) - GCN - 0 (0%) Super Mario Bros. - Wii Virtual Console - 1 (7.7%) Super Mario Bros. DX - GBC - 4 (30.8%) Super Mario Bros.: NES Classics Series - GBA - 0 (0%)
Total Members Voted: 13
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on April 19, 2010, 09:07:47 AM
This should be interesting - will the purists still vote for the original, or the obviously superior Donkey Kong '94 from the Game Boy? :)
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: KDR_11k on April 19, 2010, 09:30:39 AM
I think they're fairly different games.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 19, 2010, 09:45:45 AM
KDR is right, the Game Boy game is a completely different game. It does begin with the original 4 levels from the Arcade/NES game, but adds 97 new levels and is more of a puzzle game.
So this really boils down to the Arcade version vs. NES version. If you want ports, there is also the GBA version (Classic NES series), Animal Crossing version, e-Reader version, Virtual Console version, ColecoVision version, etc.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: Stratos on April 19, 2010, 11:04:42 AM
Anyone voting for the NES version has obviously never played it. It sucks, is missing levels and the controls are terrible.
It's a little misleading to just put Donkey Kong if you meant DK 94. If I knew it was DK 94 I probably would have gone with that one since it adds a lot more content.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: Ian Sane on April 19, 2010, 01:22:01 PM
To me Donkey Kong 94 is a different game. So I voted for the arcade version since for the original Donkey Kong there is no other version that compares.
Though there were many ports of Donkey Kong to non-Nintendo consoles like the Colecovision and Atari 2600. The Atari 8-bit computer version is the only one that has all four levels so it's a contender for the best home version.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: Stratos on April 19, 2010, 02:19:56 PM
Plus didn't the Atari actually have a joystick?
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 19, 2010, 02:27:32 PM
Anyone voting for the NES version has obviously never played it. It sucks, is missing levels and the controls are terrible.
LEVEL, as in one. It's only missing the cement factory level, which is not in any of the console versions (although it is in the computer versions). Other than that, they are the same (and the controls were just fine, and i've never seen anyone else complain about the controls). The arcade version may be the best, but the NES version is an excellent port.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: Stratos on April 19, 2010, 02:39:10 PM
I tried playing it on a friend's VC and found it to control horribly. Maybe I just need a joystick to play it. I don't remember having the control issues on the DK64 version and that had the analogue stick.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: vudu on April 19, 2010, 04:23:23 PM
Hey Bob, how about you leave the poll open for more than two fucking days next time? I missed it completely because I don't visit this board too often on weekends.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: Peachylala on April 19, 2010, 05:34:55 PM
Donkey Kong 94 wears the original Donkey Kong as slippers. Hands down.
Heh, both the Arcade and the GB version are tied.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: Mop it up on April 19, 2010, 06:11:28 PM
I'm too young to have played Donkey Kong in the arcades. I went a long time without playing it, despite how much of a Nintendo fan that I am. I finally played it in Donkey Kong 64 a couple of years ago, which I believe is a faithful recreation of the arcade game. So I voted for the arcade one.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on April 19, 2010, 11:55:33 PM
A lot of Remakes end up as fairly different games. In this case, I'm pretty sure I remember reading something (Nintendo Power) where it was said the idea behind the Game Boy version of Donkey Kong was to remake the game as if it was something being made today (obviously 'today' referring to the time in which the game was produced.) This makes it more than just a port or re-release - it's a true remake, by any definition of the word.
Hey Bob, how about you leave the poll open for more than two fucking days next time? I missed it completely because I don't visit this board too often on weekends.
Hey vudu, how about you read the initial post... ;)
And discuss it here. The voting will be active for 48 hours
I picked two days because I felt there wasn't much of a need to let discussion go on for too long - discussion on SMB3 kinda died off toward the end. With that said, I'm not *against* the idea of allowing polling to last longer, if the people ask for it. Just not you, because you were rude.
So this really boils down to the Arcade version vs. NES version. If you want ports, there is also the GBA version (Classic NES series), Animal Crossing version, e-Reader version, Virtual Console version, ColecoVision version, etc.
Yeah, this is a poll I went lazy on. I seriously could have maxed out the options here. Atari 2600, ColecoVision, Intellivision, NES (twice, in the Arcade Series and with DK Jr. in Donkey Kong Classics), Atari 400/800, early PC versions, Apple LLe, C64, on the N64 with DK64, GCN with Animal Crossing, e-Reader, GBA's NES Classics series... Game and Watch (which has been ported over a couple of times....).
Still think Nintendo should put the Arcade version on the VC. Yeah, it'd tank the NES version's sales, but who's really buying that at this point anyway? I can't imagine there'd be any real additional cost towards doing it and they can always charge that 600 point price to actually make more money off it...
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: Stratos on April 20, 2010, 04:07:51 AM
I'm purposefully refusing to buy the VC NES versions of games that were in the arcades as well in hopes that the arcade versions eventually come too. I'm wondering if my issues with the VC DK (and original Mario Brothers) is due to me using the Wiimote to play.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: Ian Sane on April 20, 2010, 02:04:12 PM
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Still think Nintendo should put the Arcade version on the VC. Yeah, it'd tank the NES version's sales, but who's really buying that at this point anyway? I can't imagine there'd be any real additional cost towards doing it and they can always charge that 600 point price to actually make more money off it...
Nintendo's continued re-releasing of the inferior NES version is borderline dishonest. The whole reason there was only three levels included was because they didn't think the NES could handle all four levels. Well they turned out to vastly underestimate their own hardware since DK Jr. had all four levels and later games like Super Mario Bros. and Legend of Zelda just dwarf Donkey Kong. The thing is they KNEW they were wrong before the NES was even released in North America but they never bothered to add that extra level to the American release. And they never have even though there is no excuse for it. They're screwing us by trying to sell us this incomplete version. DK should have been standardized with all four levels a good 25 years ago.
To me it shows a real lack of appreciation for one's own work. You would figure that Miyamoto would be upset that his original vision had to be compromised for the home port and that once the hardware issues were no longer an issue that his original unaltered work would become the standard. The fact that he appears to not care suggests a real corporate attitude that is very unappealing.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: Stratos on April 20, 2010, 06:05:42 PM
He may have intended for DK '94 to be the re-standardization of the 4th level plus the extra stuff.
It could be he's not aware of the fact newer versions are different. He's so high up now and busy working on and/or overseeing multiple projects that bringing a 'trite little thing' to Miyamoto like a missing level on a VC rerelease is like climbing Mount Olympus just to ask Zeus if you can borrow a cup of sugar.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 20, 2010, 07:15:31 PM
Speaking of game's with alternate versions, I am surprised that Nintendo has not released the SNES version of Wario's Woods yet, it's been over three years since the NES version and they can charge 800 points rather than just 500.
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Post by: Mop it up on April 20, 2010, 07:51:13 PM
I'm surprised Wario's Woods for the SNES wasn't released instead of the NES version. Although the two have some differences (the NES version has boss battles that don't exist in the SNES version), the SNES version has more content overall, and the better graphics and sound would be more pleasing to people's eyes and ears.
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Post by: Stratos on April 20, 2010, 07:51:39 PM
What was the difference between the two other than SNES probably having superior graphics?
Didn't some other games like Yoshi and Dr Mario also come out on both systems or am I mixing them up with the Gameboy versions?
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Post by: Luigi Dude on April 20, 2010, 07:57:35 PM
Speaking of game's with alternate versions, I am surprised that Nintendo has not released the SNES version of Wario's Woods yet, it's been over three years since the NES version and they can charge 800 points rather than just 500.
They won't add the SNES version until the NES version finally reaches ZERO downloads. To Nintendo since the SNES is the better version, if they release it now, anyone that might download the NES version won't. Nintendo's hoping that everyone who's buying the NES version now will buy the SNES version in the future.
So even though Nintendo could make 800 points off the SNES version now, they don't want to miss out on all the extra 500 points they could be making from people who'll buy both versions. It's the same reason why we won't see Mario All-Stars released until the year 3425.
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Post by: Mop it up on April 20, 2010, 07:59:37 PM
There isn't much outside of content, it's mostly little things. The biggest difference is that the SNES version has a vs. computer mode that the NES version lacks, probably because it couldn't handle the A.I. script. The Round Game is endless in SNES, but it tops out at 99 in NES. In NES, the Round Game has a "Type B" mode which has a boss at every tenth stage. The music has different compositions for each game. The diamond item can be moved in SNES, but not in NES. That's all I remember, there might be one or two other things.
Yoshi was released on NES and Game Boy, and Yoshi's Cookie was released on NES, SNES, and Game Boy. With those, I believe there was no difference besides graphics and sound.
Dr. Mario was never released stand-alone on SNES, it was released in the dual-pack Tetris and Dr. Mario.
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Post by: Shaymin on April 20, 2010, 08:01:23 PM
Yoshi's Cookie (SNES version) added a puzzle mode to the base NES version.
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Post by: UncleBob on April 21, 2010, 12:55:33 PM
Poll 3 Results: Donkey Kong (Arcade) - 7 (53.8%) Donkey Kong (NES/VC) - 0 (0%) Donkey Kong (GB) - 6 (46.2%) Total Members Voted: 13
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Post by: UncleBob on April 21, 2010, 01:05:00 PM
The previous discussion made me rethink this next poll - curious to see how this turns out. It's a little unfair (imagine such a poll featuring "Tetris"), I think it could be interesting.
Planet Puzzle League wins for me - all such puzzle games should have online vs. modes.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 4: Puzzle League is up!
Post by: UncleBob on April 21, 2010, 01:53:34 PM
Bad vudu, Bad!
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 4: Puzzle League is up!
Post by: vudu on April 21, 2010, 02:00:05 PM
HENRY HATSWORTH IS THE BEST PUZZLE LEAGUE GAME, HANDS DOWN.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 4: Puzzle League is up!
Post by: Ian Sane on April 21, 2010, 02:02:09 PM
It's funny, I was thinking "Puzzle League would be good for this" and, voila, here we are!
I picked Tetris Attack on the SNES. I don't think I've ever played any of the other versions actually. But then I'm a "buy it once" kind of guy so I never saw much point. One thing that just makes Tetris Attack that much cooler is because they used the Tetris name with it, we're not going to see it get re-released in that form. That just makes the original SNES cart that much more interesting. It's unique and scarce.
One thing that's also interesting is that Tetris Attack is considered one of the classic and most beloved SNES games but it didn't come out until after the N64 had launched. At the time I don't think it was given much attention since the SNES was "old". Kirby Super Star was released around the same time and it also has a similar reputation. I guess great games pass the test of time regardless of the circumstances of their release. If someone is buying a SNES and wants suggestions for games both titles immediately make the list.
I actually prefer Puzzle League over Tetris. That's easily the greatest compliment a puzzle game can receive. With this, Tetris 2, Yoshi, Dr. Mario, Wario's Woods and Yoshi's Cookie Nintendo was on a roll with puzzle games at the time.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 21, 2010, 04:38:29 PM
One thing that's also interesting is that Tetris Attack is considered one of the classic and most beloved SNES games but it didn't come out until after the N64 had launched.
Only in Japan, in North America it came out almost 2 months before the N64 launched (it came out on August 4, 1996. The N64 launched on September 29).
The only version i've played was Pokemon Puzzle League, so I went with that. It's a really fun game.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on April 21, 2010, 05:43:43 PM
Out of the ones listed I have played the SNES and GB versions of Tetris Attack.Played the GBC version of pokemon puzzle league. With tetris type games I like to play it on a handheld. I can play it for a little while and can stop when I want. I went with the GB version of Tetris Attack.
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Post by: UncleBob on April 21, 2010, 09:56:33 PM
What a strange spread of votes. I really thought the DS version would be considered the definitive version of this game...
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Post by: vudu on April 21, 2010, 10:01:10 PM
I think the problem is most people only have experience with one version of the game so that's the one they're voting for.
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Post by: UncleBob on April 21, 2010, 10:07:35 PM
That appears to be the reasoning, at least going by the comments.
By the way, if anyone would like to suggest upcoming titles for this thread, feel free to post or PM them to me. :)
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 4: Puzzle League is up!
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 21, 2010, 11:32:57 PM
Metroid and Resident Evil are my suggestions.
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Post by: Mop it up on April 21, 2010, 11:56:50 PM
I voted for Pokémon Puzzle Challenge. I also have Tetris Attack for SNES and Game Boy, as well as Pokémon Puzzle League for Nintedo 64. I can't really remember the differences between them, but I know I enjoyed Puzzle Challenge the most.
In Japan, where it is known as Panel de Pon, it was released in October of 1995, so it came out eight months before the release of the Nintendo 64.
No, they are slightly different games. Panel de Pon came out in October 1995, but the Japanese release of Tetris Attack (which was known as Yoshi's Panel de Pon) was in November 1996 and was only available through the Satellaview service. I made sure to check this out before I made my original comment. A list of some of the changes can be found at TMK (http://www.themushroomkingdom.net/ta_pdp.shtml (http://www.themushroomkingdom.net/ta_pdp.shtml))
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Post by: Mop it up on April 22, 2010, 02:32:54 AM
Interesting, I never knew that. I feel you should have made that distinction in your first post, since Panel de Pon is basically the same game as Tetris Attack with different characters, and the Satellaview is an add-on so Yoshi's Panel de Pon wasn't a regular SNES release.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 4: Puzzle League is up!
Post by: that Baby guy on April 22, 2010, 02:50:58 AM
I played Tetris Attack, Pokemon Puzzle League on the GBC, and then Planet Puzzle League. While the lack of a character or license-based theme did hurt Planet Puzzle League, as far as defining characteristics, the actual gameplay, puzzles, and various modes were definitely much better.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 4: Puzzle League is up!
Post by: Stratos on April 22, 2010, 04:39:21 AM
I've only ever played the SNES one. Some of my friends are crazy addicted to this game even today. They are brother and sister and will still go back to playing hardcore Tetris Attack when they get the chance. I could never truly compete with them but I did get a pretty good grasp of the game though them trouncing me.
I eventually want to get the DS version but it's much lower on my list of games to buy. I'm also holding out hope for a re-release of the SNES game in some fashion.
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Post by: UncleBob on April 23, 2010, 11:26:06 PM
Planet Puzzle League Express - DSiWare - 0 (0%) Tetris Attack - SNES - 5 (35.7%) Tetris Attack - Game Boy - 1 (7.1%) Pokémon Puzzle League - N64 - 1 (7.1%) Pokémon Puzzle Challange - GBC - 1 (7.1%) Puzzle League (Dr. Mario & Puzzle League) - GBA - 0 (0%) Planet Puzzle League - DS - 5 (35.7%) vudu is a dirty cheater - 1 (7.1%)
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 5: Metroid is up!
Post by: Mop it up on April 24, 2010, 12:57:31 AM
I voted for Zero Mission since it is the only one that is actually playable today.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 5: Metroid is up!
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 24, 2010, 01:04:54 AM
I played the VC version of Metroid and I think it hasn't aged well. So I went with Zero Mission even though I haven't played that piticular game yet.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 5: Metroid is up!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 24, 2010, 05:07:37 AM
Metroid: Zero Mission by a mile. It isn't even close, the original Metroid has little going for it anymore besides nostalgia and the fact that it is important in regards to being a first step in crafting a new genre.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 5: Metroid is up!
Post by: vudu on April 24, 2010, 10:16:46 AM
You forgot the unlockable version in Metroid Prime.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 5: Metroid is up!
Post by: KDR_11k on April 24, 2010, 11:04:50 AM
I'd vote Super Metroid (since that's pretty close to a remake) since I didn't enjoy ZM as mcuh but I hated playing the original Metroid because of the grindy energy stuff.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 24, 2010, 01:18:53 PM
This is basically 2 versions as the GBA, VC, and NES versions are the same. The original has nothing but nostalgia. The re-make is better in every possible way IMO and my favorite 2D Metroid.
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Post by: Stratos on April 24, 2010, 05:20:48 PM
I still need to get ZM. My friend had it but sold it off before I could offer to buy it from him.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 5: Metroid is up!
Post by: Mop it up on April 24, 2010, 05:30:23 PM
Ha ha, everyone picked Zero Mission. I guess this poll was unnecessary. :P
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 5: Metroid is up!
Post by: Halbred on April 25, 2010, 01:24:13 AM
Are we talking about Zero Mission as a remake, or the embedded port of NES Metroid? Either way, I'm going with ZM.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 5: Metroid is up!
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 25, 2010, 01:27:53 AM
Haha 19 votes for Zero Mission with no other votes for every other option. I would imagine that Resident Evil will hopefully get a more varied response.
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Post by: KDR_11k on April 25, 2010, 04:08:47 AM
So I heard that the NES Classics Metroid sold more than Zero Mission?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 25, 2010, 10:22:58 AM
I can't speak for worldwide sales, but in the United States Classic NES Series: Metroid sold about 135K and Metroid: Zero Mission sold about about 464K.
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Post by: broodwars on April 25, 2010, 10:49:20 PM
Zero Mission is the only 2D Metroid I care for so far, so it was an easy choice. I don't think the Resident Evil question it going to be a terribly hard choice as well, given how completely the GC remake blows away every other version.
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Post by: Peachylala on April 25, 2010, 11:55:16 PM
While that is correct, many people still love the camp value of the PSX/DS game (me being one of them, to be honest).
But yes, the GC version wears the other versions as slippers.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 5: Metroid is up!
Post by: UncleBob on April 26, 2010, 12:01:43 AM
Metriod - Wii Virtual Console - 0 (0%) Metroid: NES Classics Edition - 0 (0%) Metroid - NES - 0 (0%) Metroid: Zero Mission - GBA - 19 (100%)
Total Members Voted: 19
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 6: Resident Evil 2
Post by: UncleBob on April 26, 2010, 12:05:56 AM
A-Ha! Wasn't expecting this one, was ya?
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 6: Resident Evil 2
Post by: broodwars on April 26, 2010, 12:08:37 AM
Huh. This one's tough, but from what I've heard the Dreamcast version of RE2 is the superior version due to a lower price and higher-res graphics. I think the only thing it was missing were those EX Files the N64 version got. The N64 version gets an honorable mention for actually squeezing all that FMV and higher-res graphics on a cartridge.
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Post by: Peachylala on April 26, 2010, 12:11:28 AM
Resi Evil 2 is currently on my PS3 thanks to PSN.
Why won't it let me start as Clarie though?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 26, 2010, 12:15:46 AM
You forgot the PlayStation Network version.
I can't really vote in this one as I have never played any version of Resident Evil 2.
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Post by: UncleBob on April 26, 2010, 12:18:08 AM
Actually didn't know it had a PSN release. ;)
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 6: Resident Evil 2
Post by: broodwars on April 26, 2010, 12:18:14 AM
Through the weirdness that is the PS3's way of playing PS1 games, you have to hit the PS button and tell the PS3 that it's playing Disc 2. That should let you play as Claire.
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Post by: Mop it up on April 26, 2010, 12:39:40 AM
I've never played any of them, but I voted for the Nintendo 64 version since I have it.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on April 26, 2010, 12:53:19 AM
Never played any RE game so I can' t really vote on this.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on April 26, 2010, 01:48:07 AM
Wasn't the Cube version of RE2 the Dreamcast version ported over? I am leaning towards the N64 version at the moment.
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Post by: broodwars on April 26, 2010, 02:01:10 AM
Wasn't the Cube version of RE2 the Dreamcast version ported over? I am leaning towards the N64 version at the moment.
Essentially yes, but IIRC it was originally priced $20-$30 only a couple years after the game originally released on the PS1. By comparison, wasn't Capcom charging something like $40 for the game on GameCube years after even the Dreamcast version released?
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Post by: Stratos on April 26, 2010, 03:12:32 AM
Wasn't the Cube version of RE2 the Dreamcast version ported over? I am leaning towards the N64 version at the moment.
Essentially yes, but IIRC it was originally priced $20-$30 only a couple years after the game originally released on the PS1. By comparison, wasn't Capcom charging something like $40 for the game on GameCube years after even the Dreamcast version released?
Yes. I personally boycotted all of those GC 're-releases' since I felt that they should have just given each one the remake treatment like they did the first. RE Make and Zero both sold astronomically better than the other versions in part BECAUSE they looked like modern gen games.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 26, 2010, 01:54:54 PM
That's why I never got the GCN ones, they wanted you to pay $40 for a port of 5-year old game.
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Post by: KDR_11k on April 26, 2010, 02:20:03 PM
Zero Mission is the only 2D Metroid I care for so far, so it was an easy choice. I don't think the Resident Evil question it going to be a terribly hard choice as well, given how completely the GC remake blows away every other version.
The heathen does not like Super Metroid! Burn him!
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Post by: broodwars on April 26, 2010, 02:34:35 PM
Zero Mission is the only 2D Metroid I care for so far, so it was an easy choice. I don't think the Resident Evil question it going to be a terribly hard choice as well, given how completely the GC remake blows away every other version.
The heathen does not like Super Metroid! Burn him!
Sorry, but I find Super Metroid boring. Just a lot of backtracking and very little direction. I enjoy exploration and whatnot, but I also like an indication of where the game wants me to go and what it wants me to do. Maybe if they end up remaking it with something akin to the Metroid Prime/Zero Mission games' hint marker system (where the game tells you where it wants you to go while allowing you to explore at your leisure), I'd enjoy it a lot more. As it is, I can acknowledge it's a "good game", but it's one that I just can't enjoy.
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Post by: Halbred on April 26, 2010, 03:32:07 PM
Dreamcast version of anything will ALWAYS WIN.
Dreamcast 4LIFE!
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 26, 2010, 05:53:27 PM
Sorry, but I find Super Metroid boring. Just a lot of backtracking and very little direction. I enjoy exploration and whatnot, but I also like an indication of where the game wants me to go and what it wants me to do. Maybe if they end up remaking it with something akin to the Metroid Prime/Zero Mission games' hint marker system (where the game tells you where it wants you to go while allowing you to explore at your leisure), I'd enjoy it a lot more. As it is, I can acknowledge it's a "good game", but it's one that I just can't enjoy.
I can understand this. A lot of older games have a lack of direction and instruction, one reason being due to games having short length. That's one thing which makes games on past systems difficult for me to get into these days. However, Super Metroid isn't a game I had much trouble with, as I feel it is structured in such a way that I usually knew where to go next. Though part of this has to do with my ability to remember landmarks, as I often remembered what I was supposed to do with new abilities I acquired.
Anyways... yeah. Lack of direction is a fair criticism.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 6: Resident Evil 2
Post by: UncleBob on April 27, 2010, 11:24:55 PM
I'm going with a new format/topic of polling after this particular match-up. I might return to this, but I wanted to try something a little different. Look forward to it very soon!
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 6: Resident Evil 2
Post by: UncleBob on September 23, 2010, 07:29:51 PM
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 6: Resident Evil 2
Post by: UncleBob on September 23, 2010, 07:29:58 PM
The Original SNES for me. While I like the size, shape and design of the mini, the lack of S-Video output sucks. Although, to be fair, it doesn't make that big of a difference...
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 7: The Super Nintendo
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 23, 2010, 08:50:41 PM
I don't think too many people have ever even seen it. I've been a Nintendo gamer my whole life, but I hadn't even heard of the SNES 2 until years after it had been released (probably because it wasn't released until October 1997).
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Post by: stevey on September 23, 2010, 10:13:06 PM
The SNES 2 doesn't look nintendo-y enough with it's generic slim tech design. Classic all the way!
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 7: The Super Nintendo
Post by: MegaByte on September 23, 2010, 10:26:58 PM
I ended up with an SNES Jr. sort of by accident. I wanted to buy The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past. At that time, it was $30 at Wal-Mart. I went over to K-Mart and found they had the system with the game on clearance. I think the label said $40, but when I had it rung up, it was only $15. SOLD.
K-Mart was occasionally great for stuff like that; I also got Kirby Super Star for $15 shortly after it launched.
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Post by: UncleBob on September 23, 2010, 10:47:37 PM
I ended up with an SNES Jr. sort of by accident. I wanted to buy The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past. At that time, it was $30 at Wal-Mart. I went over to K-Mart and found they had the system with the game on clearance. I think the label said $40, but when I had it rung up, it was only $15. SOLD.
K-Mart was occasionally great for stuff like that; I also got Kirby Super Star for $15 shortly after it launched.
I picked up two Game Boy Players that were marked $15 but rang up for $3 back when they were going for $100-ish on eBay. Still have 'em.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 7: The Super Nintendo
Post by: that Baby guy on September 23, 2010, 10:48:17 PM
Ah, good ol' Zelda: Four Swords Adventure.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 7: The Super Nintendo
Post by: Stratos on September 24, 2010, 06:01:18 AM
I'm going with the original SNES but if it were old NES versus new I would go with the newer design. I always thought that was cool.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 7: The Super Nintendo
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on September 24, 2010, 02:45:08 PM
My original SNES stopped working and I had to buy the redesign to replace it. I hated it. I tried not to look at it too much. It was just a blob with a couple of switches.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 7: The Super Nintendo
Post by: vudu on September 24, 2010, 02:49:27 PM
Why isn't there an option for "who cares as long as it plays Chrono Trigger"?
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 7: The Super Nintendo
Post by: Mop it up on September 24, 2010, 05:40:52 PM
I'm going to go with the original model due to the eject button and S-video support. I've never owned or seen in person the new model, but it looks pretty bland in pictures, even moreso than the older model. Though it wasn't susceptible to the mysterious "yellowing plastic" which plagued the older model and cartridges, which I s'pose is a plus.
The Original SNES for me. While I like the size, shape and design of the mini, the lack of S-Video output sucks. Although, to be fair, it doesn't make that big of a difference...
It depends on the game. Some of the later ones, that have a larger colour palette, have better-defined colours and more smooth blending. I guess it isn't a big difference, but it is noticeable, at least to me. Now, if I pop in something like Super Mario World or Zelda, it looks the same.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 7: The Super Nintendo
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 24, 2010, 09:13:09 PM
If it matters, Wikipedia says that you could play the SNES 2 (I know there are multiple unofficial names for it since Nintendo still just called it SNES, but with a model number of SNS-101 rather than SNS-001) using the N64's RF switch. Not all that useful unless you have a TV made in the 1980s or earlier.
What I find odd is that on the SNES 2's controller they replace the SNES logo with the Nintendo logo.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 7: The Super Nintendo
Post by: UncleBob on September 26, 2010, 09:31:16 AM
Original SNES with Eject Button - 13 (92.9%) SNES Mini/Jr. - 1 (7.1%)
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 7: The Super Nintendo
Post by: UncleBob on September 26, 2010, 09:32:25 AM
Wow. The original SNES won by a landslide.
This poll should prove to be more interesting, though.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 8: Nintendo DS
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 26, 2010, 11:34:28 AM
I am not surprised, it's not like the SNES 2 is even that well known.
I had no problem with the DS, the DS Lite is too boxy, and I haven't used the DSi XL. Going with the DSi.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 8: Nintendo DS
Post by: Mop it up on September 26, 2010, 07:03:06 PM
I've used only the DS Lite, and it was one of the most uncomfortable things I've ever held in my hands. I voted for the DSi XL since its larger shape would probably make it the most tolerable of the four, and it also has the features of the DSi.
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Post by: Stratos on September 27, 2010, 03:56:12 AM
I find myself constantly missing the GBA feature on my DSi so I went with Lite. Plus what little quality product I've experienced on the DSiWare Shop doesn't feel worth the loss of the backwards compatibility.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 8: Nintendo DS
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 28, 2010, 06:37:41 PM
Hmm DSLite won. A tie between the DSi and DSiXL.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 8: Nintendo DS
Post by: Mop it up on September 28, 2010, 06:43:52 PM
Even if you combine the two models of the DSi together, the Lite still wins.
I wonder, did people vote for the Lite simply because they don't own a DSi? It's basically the same form with more features.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on September 28, 2010, 06:46:59 PM
Well for me it is that the backwards compatiblity for the GBA and I liked the size of it compared to the other options as far as weight goes.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 8: Nintendo DS
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 28, 2010, 07:47:20 PM
I don't get why people would pick the DS Lite unless that is the only version they have used, the DSi is better in every possible way. It looks better, is much more comfortable, great features like the cameras, and the many good/great DSiWare games. Lack of GBA slot may be a bummer, but not enough to make it worth picking over a DSi (or DSi XL). The only reason I even use the DS Lite is to trade between my DS Pokemon games.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 8: Nintendo DS
Post by: Shaymin on September 28, 2010, 11:41:57 PM
Who voted for the Phat? *headscratch*
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 8: Nintendo DS
Post by: broodwars on September 28, 2010, 11:54:42 PM
I don't get why people would pick the DS Lite unless that is the only version they have used, the DSi is better in every possible way. It looks better, is much more comfortable, great features like the cameras, and the many good/great DSiWare games. Lack of GBA slot may be a bummer, but not enough to make it worth picking over a DSi (or DSi XL). The only reason I even use the DS Lite is to trade between my DS Pokemon games.
It's cheaper than the DSi and has GBA BC. The only thing it doesn't have that the DSi has is DSiWare, and it really doesn't look like you're missing much by ignoring it. Oh, and it doesn't have cheap cameras. Whatever. The DSi XL has a nice-sized screen, though.
My only problem with the Lite was its boxy design. I liked the more rounded design of the Phat, so getting used to the shape of the Lite took time.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 8: Nintendo DS
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on September 29, 2010, 05:18:02 PM
I have a DSi XL and I voted for the DS Lite. I like the big screens and fat cigar stylus, but it's too heavy, I don't care about the camera, and there's not a lot of good DSiWare. The DS Lite is better looking, too. I don't regret buying the XL, but the DS Lite hit a real sweet spot design-wise.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 8: Nintendo DS
Post by: stevey on September 29, 2010, 05:46:41 PM
me, I would vote for the DSi but I'm still piss at Nintendo for killing it off 3 seconds after I got it at full price... >:(
Plus the original touch screen>>>New cheapo ones
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 8: Nintendo DS
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 29, 2010, 06:11:10 PM
What do you mean killing it off? They are still making the DSi (and selling a ****-load of them).
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 8: Nintendo DS
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 29, 2010, 07:39:28 PM
There's lots of good stuff on DSiWare. GBA BC is nice, but I didn't use it nearly as often as I play DSiWare.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 8: Nintendo DS
Post by: UncleBob on October 06, 2010, 11:38:25 PM
DSi - 3 (21.4%) DS Lite - 7 (50%) Original DS - 1 (7.1%) DSi XL - 3 (21.4%)
Total Members Voted: 14
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 8: Nintendo DS
Post by: UncleBob on October 06, 2010, 11:38:31 PM
Okay, since the Wii hasn't been "remade", per say (unless you count Black vs. White, which I don't), I'm going with something a little different this time...
How do you prefer to play your games? A good example of this would be Super Mario Bros. Are you hard core enough that you'll only play it on the original NES? Perhaps, Super Mario Bros. DX so you can have all the extras (including the large majority of SMB2J!)? Do you prefer to play it on the Wii so that you can create save-spots for your progress and have slightly better visuals? Or on the GameCube with the Game Boy Player (via the NES Classics version) so you can have the more comfy controller? Or do you even care?
Obviously, Super Mario Bros. is just one example... don't answer this poll based on this one game alone.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 9: Playing Games?
Post by: Mop it up on October 07, 2010, 12:17:17 AM
I prefer to experience new games in their original state, so if it's something like, say, an SNES game that I missed for whatever reason, I'll hunt down the original cartridge (unless it is significantly cheaper on the VC, as was the case with Kirby's Dream Land 3). Beyond that, I don't find value in re-releases, but I might get remakes if they are significantly different. A good example of this is Metroid Zero Mission, which I feel is much better than the original. I did not care for Super Mario 64 DS.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 9: Playing Games?
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 07, 2010, 11:41:55 AM
I don't really have a preference. I play it on what I can get my hands on.
As far as remaking new games I think it is important because some newer generations get a chance to try it out or veteran gamers can try it out for the first time.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 9: Playing Games?
Post by: broodwars on October 07, 2010, 12:09:13 PM
In general, I prefer to play the newest version of a game because it tends to benefit from advances in game design and technology. In the case of the REmake, Capcom took a game that by current standards was utterly broken and made the definitive version of the game. Similarly, Konami took a pretty horrible game in the original Silent Hill and "reimagined" (man, I hate that term) it into something that's actually playable (if nothing like any other Silent Hill game). And, of course, you have Nintendo's Zero Mission remake of the original Metroid, taking a terrible game and rebuilding it from the ground-up into one of the best games in the franchise. I could go on, but you get the idea. Occasionally, you get a remake that just doesn't understand what the original game was (though I'm struggling to think of examples right now), but for the most part I find the newer versions to just be more pleasant experiences.
Title: Re: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 9: Playing Games?
Post by: vudu on October 07, 2010, 02:47:57 PM
I don't think I'll ever play SMB3 on NES again--I can't imagine playing that game anymore without the ability to suspend the game.
