Gaming Forums => Nintendo Gaming => Topic started by: Kytim89 on February 14, 2010, 12:50:07 AM
Title: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Kytim89 on February 14, 2010, 12:50:07 AM
Earthbound Super Mario World 2 Romancing Saga 1-3 Final Fantasy Mystiq Quest Live A Live Secret of Evermore Ogre Battle 64 Bahamut Lagoon Treasure of Rudras Treasure Hunter G Illusion of Gaia Soul Blazer Star Ocean Megaman 4-7
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: broodwars on February 14, 2010, 12:57:24 AM
You forgot Terranigma, though with Nintendo's idiotic "no translations" policy for imported games the game would be very difficult to understand. I believe it was released in Europe, though, so there is some hope there for an English import.
But yes, we really need all the SNES RPGs that Nintendo and Square-Enix have so far been astonishingly reticent to bring over. Hopefully we'll see Ogre Battle 64 soon, because way too many people skipped that one on the N64.
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Post by: Kytim89 on February 14, 2010, 01:00:37 AM
Yeah, I am really looking forward to Tresure of Rudras.
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Post by: Mop it up on February 14, 2010, 01:06:56 AM
On the subject of Super Mario World 2, it uses the Super FX chip, correct? Does that present a problem when emulating it on the Virtual Console?
Wasn't that a Playstation game, or was that just Star Ocean 2? If so, we've yet to see any Playstation games on the VC, and I doubt we ever will so long as the PSN exists.
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Post by: Kytim89 on February 14, 2010, 01:15:37 AM
I think Star Ocean 1 was for the SNES.
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Post by: broodwars on February 14, 2010, 01:17:11 AM
Yeah, according to Wikipedia it was released in 1996 for the Super Famicom, but was never brought over here. Being an RPG that was never translated in English, though, is there really a market for it over here since Nintendo won't allow it to be translated?
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Post by: Kytim89 on February 14, 2010, 01:23:27 AM
Actually the game was translated when it was remade for the PSP a few years ago. So they could release the game if they wanted to.
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Post by: NWR_DrewMG on February 14, 2010, 01:26:20 AM
I really would like Faxanadu to show up on the VC.
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Post by: broodwars on February 14, 2010, 01:28:33 AM
Actually the game was translated when it was remade for the PSP a few years ago. So they could release the game if they wanted to.
By that logic, Square-Enix could use the FF IV GBA retranslation for a re-release of FF "2" for the SNES when they bring it to the VC over here. But I believe Square-Enix has already said they're just doing a straight port of the original SNES version. I think the same thing would apply here with Star Ocean: you can't just port over a new translation to an old game on a different console. For the time and effort that would take to file all the data in the right locations, you might as well just localize the game properly.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Kytim89 on February 14, 2010, 01:33:22 AM
It does seem as if virtual console has grinded to halt in the last year or so. Perhaps it will pick up steam this year and release some good titles. I would much rather have these games than Final Fight 3 or some of the other craptacular games that they have been releasing. How about TMNT: Turtles in Time for the SNES. At some point these games will have to be released on the VC because what else will they have?
What about the Arcade? How about TMNT, The Simpsons, Steel Gunner 1 and 2.
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Post by: broodwars on February 14, 2010, 01:40:06 AM
VC Arcade's been a real "nothing" in the US since it was announced, though supposedly it's quite a different story in Japan with Namco-Bandai all over it. Probably the major problem with it is that all these old Arcade games we have fond memories of were licensed games, and those licenses have scattered to various holders now. It's probably not worth what they could make on the VC to satisfy all those old license holders and reclaim the old assets. The only exception we've seen thus far to that was the NES TMNT, and that must not have sold well since we never saw any other Turtles game. I really do want to see the SNES Turtles in Time with the original music and voices, though...especially after playing that horrendous 2.5D "remake" on the HD consoles.
That's the big issue with the VC now: most of the remaining "big titles" we all remember fondly were either released by Rare, Squaresoft, Enix, or were licensed games...or they were released on the N64, which apparently everyone has decided to act like it never existed. While we have hope for Square-Enix to eventually step in and release some of those missing titles, Rare is completely out of the question aside from Donkey Kong 64 and (as I mentioned) licensed games have legal issues.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Kytim89 on February 14, 2010, 01:45:45 AM
Not having Rare games available for the service is like stumping your toe, it really hurts. I just wish Nintendo and the other companies would just go wild and release everything on virtual console or cut the prices in half, allow everyone to buy all the games available and then close the book on the service. If they are not serious about serving their customers, they should just leave the game.
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Post by: Kairon on February 14, 2010, 01:48:14 AM
There's still a bunch of games I'd love to see on VC...
Kickle Cubicle. Rock 'N Roll Racing. Solar Jetman. Dyno Warz. Pocky & Rocky. Sim Ant. Chameleon Twist. Lufia. Lufia 2. Robotrek. Battle Tanx.
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Post by: Caliban on February 14, 2010, 07:30:36 PM
I really would like Faxanadu to show up on the VC.
ME TOO!
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Post by: Stratos on February 14, 2010, 07:50:38 PM
I loved Kickle Cubicle...
Nintendo is reportedly barring 3rd party N64 games from releasing on the service which is sad because those are the ones I mostly missed and would most likely purchase. :P
If OB64 actually comes out I will spend the money to D/L it even though I already acquired a copy of the original.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: stevey on February 14, 2010, 07:54:32 PM
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (Unbastardized Version) The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (Death to America edition) :faust:
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Stratos on February 14, 2010, 07:57:18 PM
Actually the game was translated when it was remade for the PSP a few years ago. So they could release the game if they wanted to.
The SNES game was never released in English, and PSP games won't be on the VC.
At this point, the only VC games I can think of that I want would be Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island and EarthBound (well, maybe Conker's Bad Fur Day, but that one has 0% chance).
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Post by: UncleBob on February 14, 2010, 08:16:42 PM
Super Mario Bros. Vs.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 14, 2010, 08:54:15 PM
Yoshi's Island is definitely the biggest omission on the service currently. One that hasn't been mentioned is the original arcade Donkey Kong, since we have VC Arcade now and it has the level that was cut out of the NES version.
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Post by: Morari on February 14, 2010, 10:07:31 PM
Also, Cobra Triangle and the trifecta of oddball mid-90s SNES RPGs: Secret of the Stars, Paladin's Quest, and 7th Saga (guaranteed to sell Classic Controllers after you smash them in frustration).
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Post by: Nemo on February 15, 2010, 01:39:45 AM
(I don't care if someone else posted something similar right before me. This game is that great.)
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Mop it up on February 15, 2010, 03:11:02 AM
The only game I can think of which I would want to come to the Virtual Console is Blaster Master 2 for the Sega Genesis. Considering recent events of the original coming to VC and a sequel just released on WiiWare, it seems likely to be appearing soon.
This isn't to say that there aren't any other past games I want, but I'd rather track down the original cartridges for everything else.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Kytim89 on February 15, 2010, 12:02:06 PM
How about Duck Hunt for the virtual console, or maybe a Rebirth title for wiiware. I would love to see tht laughing hound on my screen again and the wii mote could be used as a zapper gun.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 15, 2010, 01:38:46 PM
How about Duck Hunt for the virtual console, or maybe a Rebirth title for wiiware. I would love to see tht laughing hound on my screen again and the wii mote could be used as a zapper gun.
Well there is a game of Duck Hunt online somewhere. Back when I got the Internet Channel came out I used to play it alot.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Kytim89 on February 15, 2010, 10:57:28 PM
The only game I can think of which I would want to come to the Virtual Console is Blaster Master 2 for the Sega Genesis. Considering recent events of the original coming to VC and a sequel just released on WiiWare, it seems likely to be appearing soon.
This isn't to say that there aren't any other past games I want, but I'd rather track down the original cartridges for everything else.
Blaster Master 2 will probably come to the VC because of the recent releases of the other games.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Kytim89 on February 16, 2010, 01:03:28 PM
I am surprised no one mentioned Sparkster. That game is awesome and should be on virtual console.
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Post by: NWR_DrewMG on February 16, 2010, 01:08:05 PM
I would really kind of like to see the old WWF and WCW N64 games come to VC, but I know that is a licensing impossibility.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Mop it up on February 16, 2010, 01:40:08 PM
I would really kind of like to see the old WWF and WCW N64 games come to VC, but I know that is a licensing impossibility.
Those are some of the few "fighting" games that I enjoyed. The controls were fairly simple, but still allowed for a variety of moves to be used. My sister and I would play the four-player, 40-man Royal Rumble and would team up to knock all of the CPU players out of the ring.
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Post by: NWR_DrewMG on February 16, 2010, 02:12:47 PM
I think that there's money to be made if they took the guts of one of those old games, replaced all the names with either legends or current wrestlers, and released it on WiiWare. There was a "Legends of Wrestlemania" game released on HD consoles last year. Taking Wrestlemania 2000 for N64, and retooling it as "Legends of Wrestlemania 2000" would be fantastic.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Peachylala on February 16, 2010, 06:57:43 PM
What glitches are keeping the Super FX games from coming to the VC? (not that I am overly worried, since I still have a working SNES)
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Post by: MoronSonOfBoron on February 16, 2010, 07:31:46 PM
What about Pure White Lover Bizarre Jelly: Glastonbury on the N64?
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Post by: Stratos on February 16, 2010, 09:01:38 PM
What glitches are keeping the Super FX games from coming to the VC? (not that I am overly worried, since I still have a working SNES)
I thought that the FX Chip glitch/performance/emulation matter was only a rumor? Was it ever confirmed to be an issue by devs or even the homebrew community? I thought someone in HB managed to port Star Fox without an issue?
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 16, 2010, 09:12:48 PM
What glitches are keeping the Super FX games from coming to the VC? (not that I am overly worried, since I still have a working SNES)
I thought that the FX Chip glitch/performance/emulation matter was only a rumor? Was it ever confirmed to be an issue by devs or even the homebrew community? I thought someone in HB managed to port Star Fox without an issue?
As I say every time this is brought up, I have personally played Yoshi's Island and Star Fox in a homebrew emulator on my Wii and experienced no issues. I can't imagine Nintendo is less competent emulating hardware they made with hardware they made than some people working in their spare time without proper dev kits.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Kytim89 on February 16, 2010, 11:13:03 PM
What about Hideo Kojima's Snatcher? That point and click adventure that came out in the late 80s. But what system would it be released for? Would it be better for it to be on the wii ware service? I would prefer a port to the DS.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Sundoulos on February 17, 2010, 09:24:02 AM
NES Clash at Demonhead Faxanadu Metal Gear Dragon Quest/Warrior 2&3 (which I've never played)
SNES Super Mario All-Stars (I think the likelihood of this is nil) Star Fox Mega Man X-X3 Castlevania: Rondo of Blood (since it was announced)
N64 Megaman 64
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Post by: TJ Spyke on February 17, 2010, 04:49:24 PM
But what system would it be released for? Would it be better for it to be on the wii ware service? I would prefer a port to the DS.
North America only got the Sega CD version. Japan got it on Sega CD, PC-8801 (a Japanese-only computer), MSX2, TurboGrafx-16, PlayStation, and Saturn. The only way we will get it on VC is if we get the TG16 version as an import title. I think a WiiWare version is more likely.
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Post by: Halbred on February 17, 2010, 05:07:02 PM
I am LOVING Stevey's new avatar.
*oggles*
That said, here's my list of missing VC games:
TMNT 2: The Arcade Game TMNT 3: The Manhattan Project TMNT Tournament Fighters (SNES version) Turok: Dinosaur Hunter (the first one) Tiny Toons Adventures (NES) Chip 'n' Dale Rescue Rangers (NES) Darkwing Duck (NES) DUCKTALES (NES)
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Post by: TJ Spyke on February 17, 2010, 05:23:38 PM
Hmm, I really wish Capcom and Disney would reach a deal. Add in Goof Troop (SNES) to that list, the NES and SNES had some really great licensed games.
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Post by: Stratos on February 17, 2010, 06:37:51 PM
Don't forget Talespin on the NES and also Magical Quest Starring Mickey Mouse on the SNES.
I mostly got Disney games when I was young and thankfully Capcom made most of them and they rocked.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Kytim89 on February 18, 2010, 12:59:49 PM
More import titles will have to be localized and released on the virtual console if Nintendo intends to allow the service to gain momentum again.
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Post by: Stratos on February 18, 2010, 04:58:40 PM
That's assuming Nintendo wants to allow the service to build steam again. Some argue that they just don't care a lot about it to begin with.
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Post by: Halbred on February 18, 2010, 04:59:15 PM
*slowly raises hand*
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Post by: Kytim89 on February 18, 2010, 05:12:15 PM
Yes sir, what can I do for you? ;D Why would Nintendo realese something and then walk away from it? Perhaps they believe that they have done all they can with it.
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Post by: broodwars on February 18, 2010, 05:15:20 PM
Yes sir, what can I do for you? ;D Why would Nintendo realese something and then walk away from it? Perhaps they believe that they have done all they can with it.
The problem is that Nintendo doesn't release sales numbers for WiiWare or Virtual Console sales, so outside of a couple games whose developers have openly stated have sold very well (World of Goo) we have no idea how things are selling. There's been speculation for a while now that Virtual Console titles might not sell very well, since Nintendo has focused so much attention on WiiWare since that service launched. You know Nintendo: if there isn't huge profit to be gained, it's probably not worth pursuing.
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Post by: Stratos on February 18, 2010, 05:16:52 PM
Plus they have abandoned things in the past. N64 Disk Drive, E-Card reader, etc. so it wouldn't come as a surprise that they've done it yet again.
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Post by: Halbred on February 18, 2010, 05:17:35 PM
Back in the day, everyone had a specialty! Me? I was the guy who emulated Virtual Console games for the Wii! *starts typing* *falls down*
Jonny, play me off!
*do dodloo doodloo do do do*
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Post by: TJ Spyke on February 18, 2010, 06:14:46 PM
Nintendo used to say how many total VC had been sold (i.e. "we've sold xx million Virtual Console games since launch"), but I think the last time they did that was in mid-2008.
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Post by: Kytim89 on February 18, 2010, 06:19:49 PM
I am surprised that Chrono Trigger has not been released for the virtual console. I still would not mind seeing Treasure of Rudras on the service.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: broodwars on February 18, 2010, 06:22:58 PM
I am surprised that Chrono Trigger has not been released for the virtual console. I still would not mind seeing Treasure of Rudras on the service.
Considering Square-Enix apparently wasn't too thrilled with the game's reception on the DS (at least, according to an old EGM I was skimming the other day), I'm surprised it isn't on the VC yet as well (and I'd buy it again). Then again, Square-Enix is probably the single most notable hold-out on Virtual Console left, having released very little and no major games (down, you! The original Final Fantasy has been released so many times on so many platforms it doesn't count anymore!) so far.
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Post by: Halbred on February 18, 2010, 06:23:13 PM
Are you really? SquareEnix ported it to the DS. Why charge $10 when you can charge $35?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 18, 2010, 06:26:25 PM
Are you really? SquareEnix ported it to the DS. Why charge $10 when you can charge $35?
I have met so many people who say, "I do not like the Chrono Trigger DS game, I want it on VC or I already own a copy." What Final Fantasy 6? would any one buy that game? I have the game for the PS1 and had it for the GBA(until it was stolen).
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Kytim89 on February 18, 2010, 06:28:54 PM
I am surprised that Chrono Trigger has not been released for the virtual console. I still would not mind seeing Treasure of Rudras on the service.
Considering Square-Enix apparently wasn't too thrilled with the game's reception on the DS (at least, according to an old EGM I was skimming the other day), I'm surprised it isn't on the VC yet as well (and I'd buy it again). Then again, Square-Enix is probably the single most notable hold-out on Virtual Console left, having released very little and no major games (down, you! The original Final Fantasy has been released so many times on so many platforms it doesn't count anymore!) so far.
I bought that game on day one and never put it down for like three months.
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Post by: broodwars on February 18, 2010, 06:29:40 PM
Are you really? SquareEnix ported it to the DS. Why charge $10 when you can charge $35?
Observe that we have 2 $10 Phoenix Wright ports on WiiWare right now when their $20+ DS originals are still floating around out there. Granted, that was Capcom but both companies are known for re-releases. This is Square-Enix we're talking about: if the DS port didn't sell as much as they'd like, why not try to make a few extra bucks just throwing the original SNES version up on the Virtual Console? I'm (unfortunately, because it is my favorite game of all time) not seeing signs of Evergreen status in that DS Chrono Trigger port.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 18, 2010, 06:33:02 PM
But then there is always the DS2 remake and VC sales might eat up into that should they ever choose to make it.
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Post by: Kytim89 on February 18, 2010, 06:34:57 PM
More import titles will have to be localized and released on the virtual console if Nintendo intends to allow the service to gain momentum again.
I think the reason why Virtual Console titles have slowed is because Nintendo is aiming for an 8-10 year life cycle for the Wii, and they need to stretch out game releases across that time.
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Post by: vudu on February 18, 2010, 08:58:43 PM
Are you really? SquareEnix ported it to the DS. Why charge $10 when you can charge $35?
First, the game's price point was marked down to $20 eons ago. Second, they aren't printing any more copies, so SquareEnix has already received all the money they're going to from the DS remake. Might as well milk it for all it's worth on the VC!
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Stratos on February 19, 2010, 03:59:01 AM
More import titles will have to be localized and released on the virtual console if Nintendo intends to allow the service to gain momentum again.
I think the reason why Virtual Console titles have slowed is because Nintendo is aiming for an 8-10 year life cycle for the Wii, and they need to stretch out game releases across that time.
I still say they couldn't hit the roof of VC releases during that type of life cycle even if they increased the amount of titles per week. The untapped N64 market alone is huge.
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Post by: Mop it up on February 19, 2010, 04:04:43 AM
All right, I did some math. Assuming there were three games put up on the Virtual Console every week for the next five years, that is 780 games. Nintendo themselves don't have NEARLY that many in their back catalogue to release, and even with the large selection of systems, I doubt that there are that many worthwhile games from eligible third-parties.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on February 19, 2010, 10:03:46 AM
Don't forgot the arcade though, Midway's catagloue alone could add over 50 arcade games (I think over 100. but i'm not sure). Add in the games Europe has but we don't, plus MSX games, other systems that could possibly be added (Intellivision. Colecovision, etc.), and they could have it go on for years.
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Post by: Kytim89 on February 19, 2010, 02:27:59 PM
Don't forgot the arcade though, Midway's catagloue alone could add over 50 arcade games (I think over 100. but i'm not sure). Add in the games Europe has but we don't, plus MSX games, other systems that could possibly be added (Intellivision. Colecovision, etc.), and they could have it go on for years.
Do not forget about the Saturn. However, this may be difficult because of the trouble of emulating the software, but they could figure something out in the near future. Here is a list of Saturn games that I would like on the Virtual Console service:
Dragon Force Guardian Heroes Panzer Dragoon Saga Burning Rangers Radiant SilverGun Hyper Duel Albert Odyssey Nights into Dreams Shining Force 3 Virtua Cop 1 and 2
Do not forget about the Square RPG import titles and the various import titles from Japan that have never been released in the states.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 19, 2010, 03:23:38 PM
Saturn is unlikely as the system is well known for being difficult to emulate (hell, developers complained about difficulty making games for it even back in 1995).
As for RPG import titles, we can hope for them. I'm afraid they won't happen though unless Nintendo changes their policies as Hudson Soft confirmed that Nintendo won't allow publishers to translate text for their import titles (and RPG's are of coarse heavy with text).
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Kytim89 on February 19, 2010, 03:59:52 PM
Saturn is unlikely as the system is well known for being difficult to emulate (hell, developers complained about difficulty making games for it even back in 1995).
As for RPG import titles, we can hope for them. I'm afraid they won't happen though unless Nintendo changes their policies as Hudson Soft confirmed that Nintendo won't allow publishers to translate text for their import titles (and RPG's are of coarse heavy with text).
If they got rid of that rule, then the flood gates would open. I guess the Saturn is, in intents and purposes, a zombie console. Technically it is still a viable console because you can find the system and games, but it is a dead system in the sense that no one canreally do anything with it, even today. I wish they could emulate it. But with all the technilogical breakthroughs we have had in the last decade, it would be like they could find a way to emulate it without problem. I have heared that the 360 is the only machine that emulate the device without too many problems. I do not know if that is true, or not.
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Post by: Peachylala on February 19, 2010, 07:18:29 PM
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NiGHTS into dreams
I cannot see this game doing well on the Wii simply because of the analog stick. The original Saturn 3D controller had a rounded base which made NiGHTS play smoothly. Wii doesn't have it, but the PS3/360 controllers do... yet nothing can replace the awesome of the Saturn 3D controller with NiGHTS.
I'm still waiting for Mischief Makers. =[
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 19, 2010, 07:20:51 PM
I'm sure it's been said, but a Mischief Makers WiiWare remake would be bought :Shake Shake:
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Mop it up on February 19, 2010, 07:22:17 PM
Was Mischief Makers published by Nintendo? If so, it might actually make it to the Virtual Console.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 19, 2010, 07:24:23 PM
Was Mischief Makers published by Nintendo? If so, it might actually make it to the Virtual Console.
developed by Treasure, and published by Enix in Japan and by Nintendo in America and Europe for the Nintendo 64.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Peachylala on February 19, 2010, 07:25:10 PM
I don't want the Olympics level brought back if that happens. Dodge Ball on the other hand...
Here's something I thought over when playing Star Fox on my SNES. I think the reason Nintendo has taken a long time is due to this game being Seizure Hell. The first boss being defeated can cause a seizure alone.
That's just a guess though.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: broodwars on February 19, 2010, 07:28:46 PM
I don't want the Olympics level brought back if that happens. Dodge Ball on the other hand...
Here's something I thought over when playing Star Fox on my SNES. I think the reason Nintendo has taken a long time is due to this game being Seizure Hell. The first boss being defeated can cause a seizure alone.
That's just a guess though.
Once again, Super FX Chip=emulation problems, allegedly. Of course, Nintendo could probably solve those problems easily if they gave a damn, but it's Virtual Console and most of the games that used the Super FX Chip were 3rd party titles. Of course they don't give a damn.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Mop it up on February 19, 2010, 07:30:19 PM
There are only 7 games total which use the Super FX chip, so it isn't like we're missing out on much without it.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: broodwars on February 19, 2010, 07:33:16 PM
There are only 7 games total which use the Super FX chip, so it isn't like we're missing out on much without it.
When 4 of those 7 games are actually pretty notable (Star Fox, Yoshi's Island, Mega Man X2, and Mega Man X3), it certainly looks to me like we are. Granted, you should be playing X2 and X3 on the Mega Man X Collection, though.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Mop it up on February 19, 2010, 07:34:57 PM
Mega Man X2 and X3 do not use the Super FX chip, they used a chip called Cx4. It would probably still pose a problem with emulation, though.
I don't understand what kind of appeal Star Fox would have today, to me it seems like a game which didn't age well. I haven't played it, but I have played some other 3D games on the Super NES and they are rather unplayable.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: broodwars on February 19, 2010, 07:37:47 PM
Mega Man X2 and X3 do not use the Super FX chip, they used a chip called Cx4. It would probably still pose a problem with emulation, though.
Really? That must be a common misconception or something, because I could have sworn even Nintendo Power back in the day said it used the second generation of the Super FX Chip for the wireframe Sigma battle in X2.
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I don't understand what kind of appeal Star Fox would have today, to me it seems like a game which didn't age well. I haven't played it, but I have played some other 3D games on the Super NES and they are rather unplayable.
Whatever its faults, it's still better than any Star Fox game we've gotten since SF64. I'll take what I can get if Nintendo continues to ignore the franchise.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Mop it up on February 19, 2010, 07:40:40 PM
My guess on that would be, it might have been based on the same technology as the Super FX chip, and Nintendo Power compared it to that chip? I'm not sure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cx4_chip
There's an article containing all of the enhancement chips for the Super Nintendo. I wonder how many of them prove difficult in emulation...
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 19, 2010, 07:41:31 PM
From the Wiki: Games released with the Super FX chip
* Dirt Trax FX [1] * Star Fox (North America/Japan) / Star Wing (PAL) * Stunt Race FX [2] (North America/PAL) / Wild Trax (Japan) * Vortex [3]
Games released with the Super FX 2 chip
* Dirt Racer [4] (PAL) * Doom [5] * Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island * Winter Gold / FX Skiing [6]
Cancelled/unreleased games
* Comanche [7] * Powerslide FX [8][citation needed] * FX Fighter [9] (released for PC) * Star Fox 2 [10] (elements used in Star Fox 64 and Star Fox Command) * Super Mario FX [11] (became Super Mario 64)
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Mop it up on February 19, 2010, 07:44:28 PM
I thought Dirt Racer was the PAL name for Dirt Trax but I might be wrong on that. If they aren't the same then there were eight released games.
EDIT: I looked it up, they are not the same. My bad.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 19, 2010, 07:47:32 PM
Well there were only 7 games released in the US so you were kinda right.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Mop it up on February 19, 2010, 07:51:40 PM
I don't think Winter Gold was released in the US.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 19, 2010, 07:55:43 PM
But was FX Skiiing?
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Mop it up on February 19, 2010, 08:00:54 PM
I don't think so, but I'm not sure. There is no game titled "FX Skiing" on GameFAQs.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Gameboy Freak on February 20, 2010, 12:32:51 AM
These are the games I wish would be released on VC.
Metal Storm (NES) - Never played it but watching HGVN's review definatly made me want to try it. Mortal Kombat (SNES, GEN, Arcade) Mortal Kombat II (SNES, GEN, Arcade) Mortal Kombat 3 (SNES, GEN, Arcade) Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 (SNES, GEN, Arcade) Mortal Kombat Trilogy (N64) Mortal Kombat 4 (N64, Arcade) X-Men Mutant Apocalypse (SNES) Wild Guns (SNES) Batman Returns (SNES) Mighty Morphin Power Rangers Fighting Edition (SNES) Mighty Morphin Power Rangers (SNES, GEN) Spider-Man Separation Anxiety (SNES, GEN)
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Stratos on February 20, 2010, 01:14:47 AM
Has the Happy VideoGame Nerd released anything recently? I think that last time I checked he had only done 3 videos. All of them make me want to try the games and I wish they would come to the VC so I could try them.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 20, 2010, 12:38:01 PM
Considering that Midway Games said way back in March 2007 that they would release Mortal Kombat games on the VC, these are especially annoying that they haven't been released.
The ones after that could be trouble though due to licensing issues, I do hope they eventually make it though.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Peachylala on February 20, 2010, 12:46:59 PM
Star Fox 2... now there is a game that could make a WiiWare release, just keep the Command team away from it.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Caterkiller on February 21, 2010, 11:59:41 PM
How was that Ecco game for dreamcast? That story really sparked my interest, as I loved both Ecco games on the Genesis. Such creepy games, with creppy music.
Has Ecco Defender of the Future been released anywhere outside of Dreamcast?
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 22, 2010, 12:20:59 AM
How was that Ecco game for dreamcast? That story really sparked my interest, as I loved both Ecco games on the Genesis. Such creepy games, with creppy music.
Has Ecco Defender of the Future been released anywhere outside of Dreamcast?
I don't believe so, but the PS3 is supposed to be getting Dreamcast games on PSN later this year, so it may show up on that.
I thought this a few days ago, but I don't think I said it: Genesis NHL games. Any of them, preferably NHL 96 since it's the one I had as a kid. They'd need to be modified, though, due to issues with player name licensing, but they edited the names out of Tecmo Bowl, so I don't see why they couldn't do the same with these.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Mop it up on February 22, 2010, 04:04:02 AM
Anyone heard of Mutant League Hockey for the Sega Genesis? I remember playing it back in the day and liking it, though I don't recall anything specific about it. I think it had some weapons that you could pick up and hit people with, and maybe a couple of other gimmicks. The game was made by Electronic Arts, so I wonder if it is something that they would revive...
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Stratos on February 22, 2010, 04:05:17 AM
Isn't there a Mutant League Football game too? I didn't know there was a hockey one.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Mop it up on February 22, 2010, 04:16:42 AM
Yeah there was, I believe it came out first. I played that one too, I think there were holes on the field that players could fall into. I think they planned to create a whole series of sports with the Mutant League, but then stopped after they received poor sales.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 22, 2010, 11:37:59 AM
Mutant League was the **** back in the day. I wish they would bring it back. That's what EA should have used to combat NFL Blitz & NHL Hitz.
You could alter the playing field, blow up players, basically turn the entire game into a warzone. I think there was suicide balls that you throw interceptions with on purpose and land mines on the field. It was great. I think it would be great to have a M rated sports series due to violence.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 22, 2010, 06:07:11 PM
Has Ecco Defender of the Future been released anywhere outside of Dreamcast?
Acclaim ported it to the PlayStation 2 in 2002.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Kytim89 on February 25, 2010, 09:17:20 PM
Could a third party developan accessory that plaugged into the wii's USB port that acted like a cartridge slot for N64 titles? Nintendo could allow a speciel channel just for the adapter. This adapter would allow games developed by Rareware to be played on the wii. However, I do not see this happening becuase someone could just buy an N64 console and play the games. I would not mind seeing this happen though.
I saw all the Rareware N64 titles for less than $15 dollars at a new game store that just opened up my city. They want $25 for the N64 console. I might check out this deal soon.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Mop it up on February 26, 2010, 03:18:55 AM
Could a third party developan accessory that plaugged into the wii's USB port that acted like a cartridge slot for N64 titles?
No. The patent for the Nintendo 64 hasn't expired, so no company besides Nintendo can legally create any kind of system or adapter that can play Nintendo 64 cartridges. Besides, it'd be incredibly pointless as it would be cheaper and easier to buy a Nintendo 64 system.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Sundoulos on February 26, 2010, 09:34:01 AM
Mega Man X2 and X3 do not use the Super FX chip, they used a chip called Cx4. It would probably still pose a problem with emulation, though.
I don't understand what kind of appeal Star Fox would have today, to me it seems like a game which didn't age well. I haven't played it, but I have played some other 3D games on the Super NES and they are rather unplayable.
Hmm...well, it's not as if they haven't been ported to the Gamecube already. Though, I suppose that they couldn't release a game on VC if it's not truly using the VC emulation? Still seems kind of lame.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Spinnzilla on February 26, 2010, 10:12:47 AM
I'm waiting for Alien vs. Predator arcade. I loved that game as a kid. Oh, can't forget the simpsons either.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Stratos on February 26, 2010, 12:19:17 PM
Mega Man X2 and X3 do not use the Super FX chip, they used a chip called Cx4. It would probably still pose a problem with emulation, though.
I don't understand what kind of appeal Star Fox would have today, to me it seems like a game which didn't age well. I haven't played it, but I have played some other 3D games on the Super NES and they are rather unplayable.
Hmm...well, it's not as if they haven't been ported to the Gamecube already. Though, I suppose that they couldn't release a game on VC if it's not truly using the VC emulation? Still seems kind of lame.
Would emulation necessarily matter so long as the content of the game wasn't changed? I thought that was the issue Nintendo had since they flat out refuse to let people localize foreign VC titles with new English translations at all even if they wanted to.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 26, 2010, 12:26:28 PM
If a game will run in an emulator on the Cube it shouldn't be hard at all to get it emulated on the Wii. I would think with the Mega Man X games, it's not if they'll come out, but when.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Kytim89 on February 26, 2010, 01:07:05 PM
Now that I have an adapter that will me to use a NES controller with my NES VC games, I want Duck Hunt to be released so that I can hook up my old NES zapper and play the old classic game.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 26, 2010, 01:32:46 PM
I'm fairly certain a Zapper will not work with one of those adapters. Depending on what kind of TV you have, it may not even work with a real NES.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Kytim89 on February 26, 2010, 01:43:10 PM
The NES, SNES, N64 and Genesis controllers work fine. I have not had a chance to try out the zapper though. I had to replace the N64 and Genesis controllers because they were broken. The replacements work fine, but they close to 20-years-old.
Once I get the games going, you can not tell a difference except for the console itself. I recommend this adapter for everyone. You can find it on ebay and it really gives n authnetic feel to playing VC titles. Unlike the classic controller and gamecube controller.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 26, 2010, 01:54:48 PM
Those adapters work by mapping button presses on the old controllers to GameCube controller buttons. There's no way to map the input from a Zapper to anything on the GC controller in a way that would work for anything. Also, if you have anything other than a CRT TV, the Zapper won't even work with an actual NES; the technology behind light guns depends on the way CRTs work.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Kytim89 on February 26, 2010, 01:56:51 PM
What is a CRT tv?
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 26, 2010, 02:02:44 PM
CRTs are older style TVs. If it's a flat screen, it's not a CRT.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Kytim89 on February 26, 2010, 02:04:44 PM
I have a CRT TV manufactued in 1994. Would this be a problem?
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 26, 2010, 02:08:42 PM
That'd work fine with an NES, but the Zapper still wouldn't work with the Wii no matter what kind of TV you've got.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Kytim89 on February 26, 2010, 02:14:34 PM
I will have to wait and see to find out. Would you ever buy the adapter?
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 26, 2010, 02:18:41 PM
I've thought about getting one of them, but the Wiimote is fine for me for NES games, the analog stick on the N64 controller just plain sucks compared to any modern stick, and I love my Classic Controller Pro. Also, I'd rather not go back to wired controllers if I can help it.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Kytim89 on February 26, 2010, 05:11:59 PM
I have about 20 feet of wire, no joke. ;D
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on February 26, 2010, 05:24:17 PM
Also, if you have anything other than a CRT TV, the Zapper won't even work with an actual NES; the technology behind light guns depends on the way CRTs work.
I'm not completely sure about that. The Zapper is actually older than the kind of light guns that look for the CRT electron beam. Games for the Zapper simply sequentially flashed each possible target white when you pulled the trigger. If the Zapper detected the white light, you must have hit something, and which target you hit was calculated based on the timing. It's supposedly possible to cheat in some Zapper games by aiming at a light bulb, making it seem like you hit the first target in the sequence. And since a light bulb isn't a CRT, it follows that this kind of light gun should work with any display that doesn't screw up the timing.
Whether that works in practice is left as an exercise for the reader.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Kytim89 on February 26, 2010, 05:34:53 PM
I just baught the wii speak device and I would like to hear from all of you. If you have a wii speak, or just want to say hello, my wii number is: 0222-3704-6889-9520.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Mop it up on February 26, 2010, 07:01:02 PM
My television has a flat screen and it is a CRT. I think what you mean is "flat panel" which many people erroneously call a "flat screen."
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Kytim89 on February 26, 2010, 07:06:37 PM
This is a little off topic, but could everyone send me their wii console friend codes so that we could communicate via mail on the wii. I just bought a wii speak and would like to hear from any of you. If this is alright with any of you, I am open to communicating. Just message me with your code if your interested.
My wii friend code is: 0222-3704-6889-9520 I am registered as kytim89. I am looking forward to hearing from all of you.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Mop it up on February 26, 2010, 07:09:10 PM
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Kytim89 on February 26, 2010, 07:14:20 PM
I just figured that since this topic is still very active that it would be a quick and easy way to get the word out.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Mop it up on February 26, 2010, 07:17:42 PM
Someone interested in using the Wii Speak Channel with you is probably more likely to read the Wii Speak topic than this one.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Stratos on February 27, 2010, 05:09:21 AM
You could put your codes in your sig like I do. Put the code there with a comment about wanting to chat via WiiSpeak and ask interested people to PM you if interested.
I prefer to use Animal Crossing to chat personally. It gives you the opportunity to do other silly things at the same time. You could ask Mop it up about her malicious flower vandalism and GoldenPhoenix regarding her rampant hole digging and flower stealing ;) Maxi at least tries to maintain the integrity of my garden.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Kytim89 on February 27, 2010, 07:37:27 PM
I would like for import titles to come over(Treasure of Rudras). Final Fantasy 2-6 will eventually come over to the service. I already have about fifteen games on my virtual console, but no wiiware games.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Stratos on February 27, 2010, 07:45:49 PM
No Wiiware games?!?
World. Of. Goo.
Get it. There is even a demo you can d/l on the service if you want to try it first. It's easily the best title on the shop.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Kytim89 on February 27, 2010, 10:14:12 PM
How about Body Harvest, Winback, Turok 1 anf 2 and Doom 64?
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Stratos on February 28, 2010, 06:37:28 AM
Or World of Goo. You could try that game, Kytim ;)
I'd like to see Body Harvest as it was one of those strange N64 games I was always curious about but missed. Also Wetrix and Space Station Silicone Valley were other ones I missed.
I think games like the N64 Indiana Jones and Mischief Makes do stand better chances of releasing than other 3rd party N64 titles because those publishers have shown interest in supporting the VC. Oger Battle 64 getting an ESRB rating along with ratings in PAL territories gives us hope that Nintendo's apparent barring of 3rd party N64 games coming to VC may be drawing to a close. Course, Aero Fighters Assault and Beetle Adventure Racing were rated by the ESRB back when the service launched and where are those games? Nintendo should just open up the service at this point instead of barring everyone from releasing their games.
I doubt the Turok games will come since that whole series is apparently dead since the past revivals have failed.
One series I'm surprised has not come to VC is the Mario Party series. There are 3 titles on the N64 that would be pure money for Nintendo.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 28, 2010, 10:36:50 AM
Get it. There is even a demo you can d/l on the service if you want to try it first. It's easily the best title on the shop.
Most overrated game on WiiWare
Seriously. It's a OK game, but it's not the best WiiWare game. It's the same thing with Braid on XBLA/PSN, that game is way overrated (and not worth $15. It's, at best, a $5 game and I am glad I got it for free in that Spike Video Game Award contest).
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Kytim89 on February 28, 2010, 11:11:27 AM
Here is my virtual console wishlist:
Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past Super Mario 64 Super Mario World Super Punch-out Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen F-Zero X Sonic the Hedgehog 3 Sonic and Knuckles Super Mario Brothers Super Mario Brothers 2 Gunstar Heroes
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 28, 2010, 11:54:47 AM
I would like for import titles to come over(Treasure of Rudras). Final Fantasy 2-6 will eventually come over to the service. I already have about fifteen games on my virtual console, but no wiiware games.
Final Fantasy IV and VI will, the others will not (unless Nintendo changes their policy). Nintendo doesn't allow companies to translate their VC games, so only IV (which was released outside of Japan as II) and VI (which was released as III) have a chance of getting released outside of Japan on the VC. II has been released in Japan though. Unless Nintendo changes their policy, don't expect to see any import games that rely on text (i.e. RPG's) to get released outside of Japan. I hope they do change their mind though as I would also like to see Nintendo release the NES and SNES "Wars" games here.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Mop it up on February 28, 2010, 02:12:00 PM
How about Body Harvest, Winback, Turok 1 anf 2 and Doom 64?
Honestly, I would say not a chance to any of them. Body Harvest was developed by DMA Design which I believe became Rockstar. It was published by Midway who I think went bankrupt, so it isn't clear who, if anyone, holds the rights to this game. WinBack was developed by a company I've not heard of (Omega Force) and published by Koei, who I believe is still around. The game sold poorly though so I doubt Koei would want to put it on the VC. The Turok games were published by Acclaim, who went under. Plus these are licenced games and that licence would have to be renewed, so that gives it no chance. Doom 64 was all Midway, who no longer exists. I don't know if id Software ended up with the rights to this game, but I doubt it.
Also Wetrix and Space Station Silicone Valley were other ones I missed.
Space Station... I wonder about that one. It was developed by DMA (now Rockstar) and published by Take Two, who still exists. I guess it is possible but unlikely. Wetrix was by Ocean, and I don't think that company is around anymore.
Mischief Makers is entirely possible. It was developed by Treasure who still works with Nintendo, and published by Nintendo. Seems like a matter of time. Indiana Jones is a licence game, meaning they would have to pay for the licence again. I doubt that would happen, plus the game was available only as a rental or purchase through the publisher so it is practically unheard of.
Mario Party seems likely at some point, though I'd imagine that so far, Nintendo figures the games could cut into sales of Mario Party 8.
I would like for import titles to come over(Treasure of Rudras). Final Fantasy 2-6 will eventually come over to the service. I already have about fifteen games on my virtual console, but no wiiware games.
Final Fantasy IV and VI will, the others will not (unless Nintendo changes their policy). Nintendo doesn't allow companies to translate their VC games, so only IV (which was released outside of Japan as II) and VI (which was released as III) have a chance of getting released outside of Japan on the VC. II has been released in Japan though. Unless Nintendo changes their policy, don't expect to see any import games that rely on text (i.e. RPG's) to get released outside of Japan. I hope they do change their mind though as I would also like to see Nintendo release the NES and SNES "Wars" games here.
What is Nintendo's policy regarding these games? I just wish they would release these games first and ask questions later.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 28, 2010, 03:22:52 PM
I would like for import titles to come over(Treasure of Rudras). Final Fantasy 2-6 will eventually come over to the service. I already have about fifteen games on my virtual console, but no wiiware games.
Final Fantasy IV and VI will, the others will not (unless Nintendo changes their policy). Nintendo doesn't allow companies to translate their VC games, so only IV (which was released outside of Japan as II) and VI (which was released as III) have a chance of getting released outside of Japan on the VC. II has been released in Japan though. Unless Nintendo changes their policy, don't expect to see any import games that rely on text (i.e. RPG's) to get released outside of Japan. I hope they do change their mind though as I would also like to see Nintendo release the NES and SNES "Wars" games here.
What is Nintendo's policy regarding these games? I just wish they would release these games first and ask questions later.
Nintendo doesn't ever do anything without careful consideration.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 28, 2010, 04:19:46 PM
I would like for import titles to come over(Treasure of Rudras). Final Fantasy 2-6 will eventually come over to the service. I already have about fifteen games on my virtual console, but no wiiware games.
Final Fantasy IV and VI will, the others will not (unless Nintendo changes their policy). Nintendo doesn't allow companies to translate their VC games, so only IV (which was released outside of Japan as II) and VI (which was released as III) have a chance of getting released outside of Japan on the VC. II has been released in Japan though. Unless Nintendo changes their policy, don't expect to see any import games that rely on text (i.e. RPG's) to get released outside of Japan. I hope they do change their mind though as I would also like to see Nintendo release the NES and SNES "Wars" games here.
What is Nintendo's policy regarding these games? I just wish they would release these games first and ask questions later.
Nintendo doesn't allow publishers to do translation or similar changes to VC games. The only real alterations they allow is to remove licensed stuff (like when they removed the Kawasaki banners in Wave Race 64). This is why we hadn't received Castelvania: Rondo of Blood before (at least according to a producer at Konami).
Mop, Time Warner bought most of the assets of Midway (I think everything except the TNA license), so most likely they own Body Harvest.
Mishief Makers is unlikely. The game got pulled from retail shelves only a few weeks due to a dispute over who actually had the rights to the game, that's why it's so rare.
Stratos, Ogre Battle 64 is a odd situation. Can it really be considered a full third party game? Nintendo published it in Japan, and that is the only region so far to get it on VC.
Mop, Wetrix is now owned by a company called Throwback Entertainment. Throwback also bought most of Acclaim's library when Acclaim went bankrupt and had all of their stuff sold at auction. Most of the games they bought though are license games (like "Street Fighter: The Movie" and "The Simpsons: Bart's Nightmare"). Here is the full list: http://www.throwbackentertainment.com/games/index-2.html
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Mop it up on February 28, 2010, 04:27:41 PM
Is it always the publisher who ends up with rights to a game and the developer has no rights?
And Mischief Makers is rare? It seems pretty common to me, but maybe it is a case where few people are interested in the game. I hadn't heard about it getting pulled from store shelves, where did you hear about that?
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Kytim89 on February 28, 2010, 04:44:46 PM
Can anyone recommend any good Neo Geo games for me? I have never played that console.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 28, 2010, 05:59:01 PM
Is it always the publisher who ends up with rights to a game and the developer has no rights?
Depends on the deal made between the Dev and the Pub. If the publisher is financing the game then they unquestionably own the rights to it, but in some cases and Dev will produce a game independently and then seek a publisher who will handle the release. In those cases the Dev usually retains rights to the title but the Pub may have all say on when and where it gets released.
see HVS/Sega on The Conduit and Tecmo/Nintendo on Fatal Frame 4
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 28, 2010, 06:05:30 PM
Don't know what happened to my post, but I had answered that question.
As for financing, the publisher can finance a game and not own it. See the Gears of War games, Microsoft financed the games and published them, but Epic Games still owns them. But yeah, it varies since on the deal.
Licensed games add a whole different problem. Take a game like The Simpsons: Bart's Nightmare for SNES. Throwback Entertainment owns the code and rights to the game, Electronic Arts currently has the license to The Simpsons, and News Corporation owns The Simpsons. So that game would require the agreement between the 3 (or at least Throwback and EA) to get it on VC or other similar services.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Stratos on February 28, 2010, 06:14:19 PM
Indiana Jones is published by LucasArts. I highly doubt there is a licensing issue there since LucasArts has control of the properties.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 28, 2010, 06:18:00 PM
Don't know what happened to my post, but I had answered that question.
As for financing, the publisher can finance a game and not own it. See the Gears of War games, Microsoft financed the games and published them, but Epic Games still owns them. But yeah, it varies since on the deal.
The MS deal was a different deal than most since it was a money hat deal. MS financed it because they wanted exclusives. EPIC still owns it, but it's a Xbox360 exclusive and EPIC has no say in that.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 28, 2010, 06:20:04 PM
I am just saying that a publisher doesn't own a game just because they financed it. None of this matters though since every publishing deal is different.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 28, 2010, 06:23:48 PM
I agree, I was just saying that they might not own the game, but they own the rights to that game if they financed it. The Dev can't just shop that same exact game to a different Pub if the Pub that payed for it decides to shelf it.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Kytim89 on March 01, 2010, 12:14:46 AM
I now that I have driven you all crazy about whether Rareware games will ever appear on VC and I understand that Microsoft owns the IPs now, but they should still be released on the wii. Nintendo must have financed these games and there must be some kind of way for them to get the games on their service. Afterall, the games were developed for a Nintendo console, so they should have some legal rights. I just can not let go of the fact that Microsoft owns these cool games(Conker and Perfect Dark). Is there some way tht they can split the profits? I mean, if Sony owned Rareware, I would not be as ticked off.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 01, 2010, 01:46:04 AM
MS wouldn't agree to it and Nintendo doesn't like to share. Nintendo sold any rights they had to those games and MS doesn't want to basically give them back with interest earned.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Mop it up on March 01, 2010, 02:01:10 AM
I don't think there is any chance of that happening. I'd recommend trying to get over your hatred of Microsoft as all that's doing is making you unhappy.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 01, 2010, 09:18:53 AM
Kytim, the manufacturer has no rights over the game. All they can do basically is approve or deny the game (meaning allow the game to be released on their system or not, and they don't even legally have that right in Europe; which is why you see so much shovelware crap from Phoenix Games in Europe since Sony and Nintendo legally can't say no).
Unless it was already a Nintendo IP, Rare likely had ownership. For example, Rare developed and published Conker's Bad Fur Day themselves (Nintendo distributed and advertised it). The only money Nintendo would get from VC versions is the standard 35% they get from all third party VC games. Microsoft doesn't want to help a competing service (although i'm sure Nintendo wouldn't mind having them appear on VC), Microsoft might allow Conker's Pocket Tales for the GBC to appear on a DS VC though.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Kytim89 on March 01, 2010, 10:52:24 AM
Is there any way to emulate the games on wii? Why did Nintendo let them go in the first place? How can they say that the best console games will come to the virtual console when these are obviously good and will probably never happen. I am almost brought to tears(not really ;) ) at the fact that Rareware titles will never come to the virtual console.
When you say that Nintendo wont share, they already do that with companies like Sqaure and others. I have heared that Rare said that they could port their games, but it would be up to Nintendo. It is probably Nintendo that is keeping these games from appearing the service.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Halbred on March 01, 2010, 02:46:20 PM
NeoGeo games, eh? If you like fighters, there's always going to be King of Fighters. Otherwise, King of the Monsters is good two-player fun. Even Blue's Journey isn't horrible with a friend.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 01, 2010, 06:02:06 PM
Is there any way to emulate the games on wii? Why did Nintendo let them go in the first place? How can they say that the best console games will come to the virtual console when these are obviously good and will probably never happen. I am almost brought to tears(not really ;) ) at the fact that Rareware titles will never come to the virtual console.
When you say that Nintendo wont share, they already do that with companies like Sqaure and others. I have heared that Rare said that they could port their games, but it would be up to Nintendo. It is probably Nintendo that is keeping these games from appearing the service.
What happened with Rare is that the Stamper brothers (who were 2 of the 3 co-founders of the company) wanted to make Rare a first party studio and offered to sell their 51% share in the company to Nintendo (who owned the other 49%). Nintendo didn't want to. The quality of Rare games had been dipping and they kept taking longer and longer to make games, so Nintendo didn't want to do it. So the Stampers reached a deal where they bought back the 49% from Nintendo and then sold the entire company to Microsoft for $370 million.
As for Rare games appearing on the VC, they don't have any say. Microsoft owns Rare's IPs now, so Microsoft has final say. Microsoft won't let it happen because Virtual Console is a competing service to Xbox Live Arcade.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 01, 2010, 06:12:03 PM
I thought of something this morning: Microsoft doesn't seem to mind Rare making games for Nintendo's handhelds, so how likely would it be for Rare's games to come to a hypothetical Virtual Console for the DS 2?
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Kytim89 on March 01, 2010, 09:13:02 PM
I thought of something this morning: Microsoft doesn't seem to mind Rare making games for Nintendo's handhelds, so how likely would it be for Rare's games to come to a hypothetical Virtual Console for the DS 2?
If that is the case, then why release them on the wii's virtual console instead?
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Mop it up on March 01, 2010, 09:31:34 PM
I thought of something this morning: Microsoft doesn't seem to mind Rare making games for Nintendo's handhelds, so how likely would it be for Rare's games to come to a hypothetical Virtual Console for the DS 2?
As likely as a Virtual Console service appearing on the DS 2, which has maybe a 1% chance of happening.
Microsoft won't let it happen because Virtual Console is a competing service to Xbox Live Arcade.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Kytim89 on March 01, 2010, 09:52:13 PM
I feel like I am beating a dead horse, so I will just hunt the old games down and olay them on N64 and keep hoping that they will be released on the service. :-\
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 01, 2010, 11:35:13 PM
In an ideal world, we could have a download service where every game released could be added. Unfortunately that won't happen. Kytim, that is probably what you will have to do if you don't want XBLA.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Kytim89 on March 02, 2010, 11:00:46 AM
I can not stand the 360, so I will never use Xbox live. How hard would it be to emulate these games? I have found a N64 for $20 and most of the Rareware games for less than $15, but I could not find Conker for under $20.
I might just save up my money and buy these IPs from Microsoft. I already have a piggy bank set up for the deal and any donations would be appreciated. I have five dollars saved. Come on now, we could get something going. LOL.(I am not really serious).
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Kytim89 on March 06, 2010, 07:53:15 PM
I just bought Jet Force Gemini and a N64. What I have planned is to buy all the Rare games and play them on my N64. However, my N64 came from my sisters storage shed and for some reason when I am playing the game the power will shut itself off like it is be reset, but the power light is still on. A local game store is sellin an N64 for about $25, is that a reasonable price for one?
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 06, 2010, 08:06:54 PM
$25 sounds about right, not a bad price.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Kytim89 on March 06, 2010, 08:29:55 PM
All of the Rare games are averaging for about $10-15, but I can not find Conker for less than $20.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 06, 2010, 08:38:11 PM
All of the Rare games are averaging for about $10-15, but I can not find Conker for less than $20.
echo echo echo echo....
What does that mean?
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Mop it up on March 07, 2010, 12:43:37 AM
Before you resort to buying another Nintendo 64 system, I would try cleaning your current system and games. Random resets and crashes can be caused by dirty or dusty contacts. Take a cotton swab and dip it into some surgical spirit (AKA rubbing alcohol or isopropyl alcohol), then pat it with a tissue so it isn't dripping wet. Gently rub the surface of the cartridge connectors on both sides, then use the dry end of the cotton swap to dry the connector. Wait at least 30 minutes before inserting the game into the system. To clean the system, get a new, unused toothbrush and dip it into surgical spirit. Gently scrub inside of the cartridge slot and in between the pins. Use a tissue to pat dry the slot, being careful to not tear the tissue on the pins. Wait 30 minutes before inserting a cartridge.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Stratos on March 07, 2010, 01:22:30 AM
Before you resort to buying another Nintendo 64 system, I would try cleaning your current system and games. Random resets and crashes can be caused by dirty or dusty contacts. Take a cotton swab and dip it into some surgical spirit (AKA rubbing alcohol or isopropyl alcohol), then pat it with a tissue so it isn't dripping wet. Gently rub the surface of the cartridge connectors on both sides, then use the dry end of the cotton swap to dry the connector. Wait at least 30 minutes before inserting the game into the system. To clean the system, get a new, unused toothbrush and dip it into surgical spirit. Gently scrub inside of the cartridge slot and in between the pins. Use a tissue to pat dry the slot, being careful to not tear the tissue on the pins. Wait 30 minutes before inserting a cartridge.
Can't you just blow like we did back in the NES era? Ah, memories.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Kytim89 on March 07, 2010, 01:56:03 AM
Yeah, and carode the connectors. :P:
I can not figure out why Conker is above $20 while Perfect Dark and Golden Eye are averaging $12 and Banjo-Kazooie is $10. I paid $6 for Jet Force Gemini.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 07, 2010, 02:23:34 AM
I thought of something this morning: Microsoft doesn't seem to mind Rare making games for Nintendo's handhelds, so how likely would it be for Rare's games to come to a hypothetical Virtual Console for the DS 2?
I don't know, but it would be far less likely if Microsoft announces an "Xbox Portable" (or similar).
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Mop it up on March 07, 2010, 03:17:29 AM
Can't you just blow like we did back in the NES era? Ah, memories.
You can, but the moisture from your breath can cause long-term damage in the form of corrosion. You can place a thin tissue over the connector and blow through that, which will prevent the moisture from going through.
I can not figure out why Conker is above $20 while Perfect Dark and Golden Eye are averaging $12 and Banjo-Kazooie is $10. I paid $6 for Jet Force Gemini.
Availability. Conker's Bad Fur Day sold a lot less than the other games that you mentioned.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 07, 2010, 06:11:19 AM
Can't you just blow like we did back in the NES era? Ah, memories.
You can, but the moisture from your breath can cause long-term damage in the form of corrosion. You can place a thin tissue over the connector and blow through that, which will prevent the moisture from going through.
I can not figure out why Conker is above $20 while Perfect Dark and Golden Eye are averaging $12 and Banjo-Kazooie is $10. I paid $6 for Jet Force Gemini.
Availability. Conker's Bad Fur Day sold a lot less than the other games that you mentioned.
I always expected Golden Eye to be veery expensive because of its popularity.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 07, 2010, 12:18:43 PM
Popularity is not the same thing as rarity. If something was very popular, then that means it will probably be cheaper because there were more copies sold (and thus more available to buy). Conker came out very late (in 2001) and thus didn't really sell all that well (the M rating and odd characters didn't help), so it didn't sell that well. It was a good game and loved by fans, but a little harder to find.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Kytim89 on March 07, 2010, 12:29:49 PM
Is there any possible way to bring SEGA Saturn games to the virtual console. I know that the console is hard to emulate, but it is over fifteen-years-old. Improvements have had to be made since in that time. Perhaps the owners of all those rare titles are lobbying SEGA to keep the console off any service because the vale on those games would drop. Why is the Saturn so hard to emulate? Tell me its story.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 07, 2010, 01:33:07 PM
Without getting into too much detail, it's basically tough to emulate because of the complex architecture of the system. I think even Sega has said they have a tough time doing it because they did not keep good documentation of the system. It's not a matter of how powerful it is (both N64 and PS1 are more powerful, and emulators exist for both), it's because of how Sega made it so complex.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Kytim89 on March 07, 2010, 02:00:14 PM
Could they make a less complicated version, but still emulate the games. How does emulation work? I just bought a SEGA Saturn for $10 with both controllers and a Daytona racing game.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 07, 2010, 05:14:27 PM
Is there any possible way to bring SEGA Saturn games to the virtual console. I know that the console is hard to emulate, but it is over fifteen-years-old. Improvements have had to be made since in that time. Perhaps the owners of all those rare titles are lobbying SEGA to keep the console off any service because the vale on those games would drop. Why is the Saturn so hard to emulate? Tell me its story.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 07, 2010, 05:42:18 PM
I was gonna do a lmgtfy link, but decided not to.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Kytim89 on March 07, 2010, 11:40:17 PM
There is one game that I think everyone wolud really want on the virtual console. This game is by far the most popular title that I could think for this topic. All other games, including Nintendo's, pail in comparrison. This game is...Super Man 64. ;D This game is actually considered one of the worst ever made and I hope it never shows its ugly face on the VC service.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Kytim89 on March 08, 2010, 12:19:37 AM
Could SEGA port over the Saturn games in disc form?
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 08, 2010, 05:58:52 AM
Could SEGA port over the Saturn games in disc form?
Could you please stop asking stupid questions like that?
Anything can be ported to anything. Its just a question of how much time and effort a company is willing to put into it. Sometimes ports can be done very easily and with minimal effort, other times its basically a remake that requires massive effort.
Title: Re: Games That Should be on Virtual Console
Post by: Kytim89 on March 10, 2010, 12:12:07 AM
It seems as though Nintendo has left the DS to third parties to handle with them only releasing a few of their own games periodically. It seems like that Nintendo is not interested in continuing the VC service, they should just let the third parties do what they want with it, but put strict stipulation that no crappy titles(Super Man 64) ever make it to the service. This way we can enjoy all the games we want on the service, but not have to worry about Nintendo's awkwardness.
