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Title: Will Rareware Games Ever Appear on Virtual Console?
Post by: Kytim89 on February 12, 2010, 12:45:01 AM
What really bugs me about the virtual console service is its lack of Rareware games. I know that Microsoft snatched up Rareware, butJet Force Gemini I would really like to see their games appear on virtual console. Why should gaming politics prevent consumers from enjoying Rare's gaming library on the wii.
Conker's Bad Fur Day Perfect Dark Golden Eye 007 Jet Force Gemini Battle Toads Banjo-kazooie 1 and 2 Donkey Kong 64
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Post by: King of Twitch on February 12, 2010, 12:51:07 AM
In the words of Steven Tyler Smith, dream awn
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Post by: Kytim89 on February 12, 2010, 12:58:49 AM
Getting the Goldeneye license for the VC would be the coup de' grace. No matter how much it costs, or how many lawyers they have to deal with, they should get it.
The past is gone, it went by like dust to dawn Isnt that the way? Everybody's got their dues in life to pay
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 12, 2010, 01:08:14 AM
Conker's Bad Fur Day (already re-released on Xbox) Perfect Dark (coming soon to XBLA) Golden Eye 007 (need permission from current 007 license holder) Jet Force Gemini (Wiimake would be better for pointer controls) Battle Toads (never gonna happen) Banjo-kazooie 1 and 2 (never gonna happen) Donkey Kong 64 (could happen, but do you really feel like collecting 1000 bananas all over again?)
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Post by: Kytim89 on February 12, 2010, 01:45:48 AM
I would never buy a xbox so I guess I am left out in the cold. However, if Nintendo and Microsoft could work out a deal in which Microsoft could gain access to wii owners by realeasing these games on virtual console, I would be very happy. Nintend, being as greedy and conservative as they are, would want to eake in all the profits. They are like two wolves fighting over a piece of meat.
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Post by: Mop it up on February 12, 2010, 01:47:02 AM
With the exception of Donkey Kong 64, all of those games are owned by Rare and by association Microsoft, which gives them no chance of being released on Wii due to it being a competitor system. Goldeneye seems caught in a battle of rights, with both the current holder of the James Bond licence, and Nintendo as they apparently still have some publishing rights over the game, or something. I wouldn't count on that one ever appearing anywhere.
As for Donkey Kong 64, that one belongs to Nintendo since it is their franchise. I'd say that, since the Expansion Pak emulation issue was solved with Majora's Mask, it will come eventually.
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Post by: Kytim89 on February 12, 2010, 01:52:37 AM
Even though those games were developed by Rareware, doesn't Nintendo own some rights to the games, since they were released on a nintendo console, in which they could use to circumnavigate Microsoft. I am sure if Nintendo pressed the issue they could get something done about it.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 12, 2010, 01:55:20 AM
Nah, Nintendo sold them along with Rare.
No more.
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Post by: Kytim89 on February 12, 2010, 01:57:01 AM
Let's all boycott Nintendo until they do something about the problem.
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Post by: Mop it up on February 12, 2010, 02:55:55 AM
I hope you're not seriously suggesting that. It would lead nowhere.
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Post by: Dirk Temporo on February 12, 2010, 03:09:07 AM
Let's all boycott Nintendo until they do something about the problem.
What, the problem of you arbitrarily refusing to ever buy an Xbox?
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Post by: Kytim89 on February 12, 2010, 03:29:50 AM
I do not want to have to buy a N64 and track down the games to play them when I have a wii at home. Nor do I want to buy an xbox. Also, I was just kidding about the boycott thing. I WANT THESE GAMES ON VIRTUAL CONSOLE! :@
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Post by: Dasmos on February 12, 2010, 10:38:33 AM
JFG, Conker and Blast Corps are the only Rare games worth writing home about. Jet Force Gemini should get a sequel, but I don't trust current Rare to do it justice.
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Post by: Jonnyboy117 on February 12, 2010, 12:20:33 PM
I can see it happening, if Rare continues its downward spiral until Microsoft is ready to sell the company (or at least its back-catalogue) to Nintendo for a couple percent of the original selling price.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 12, 2010, 01:09:38 PM
Nintendo didn't sell Donkey Kong. So that is one game that I can guarantee will never be on the 360, but hopefully it will make it to the VC at some point. I don't have a clue about any of those other games, but it is possible Nintendo retains the rights to some of those as well.
But in any case, we MIGHT see these games get ported over to the DS(i) because Microsoft has released DS games in the past, and they have also allowed Rare to release games on the DS. Microsoft isn't in the handheld market and doesn't see the DS as a competitor per se, and seems to rather see Nintendo succeed than Sony, so I don't think that is something thats out of the question. We already know for a fact the DS is capable of handling N64 games becuase it has already seen some (Super Mario 64, etc). The only potential issue is the controls would be radically different, but they might be able to work something out.
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Post by: Peachylala on February 12, 2010, 01:44:20 PM
Oh man turning on a console and playing fun games is so stressful.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on February 12, 2010, 06:00:44 PM
Depends on what you mean by Rareware games. If you mean games that owned (which means Microsoft owns now), not a chance. If you mean games they developed for others, maybe. Rare developed over 100 games just for the NES, for many different companies including Acclaim and Midway.
Of the games the OP listed, only 2 are not owned by Microsoft (the others will never appear) and both of those have problems:
GoldenEye 007 - Everyone knows the licensing problems here. Nintendo owns the copyright code to the game, but Activision Blizzard has the current license. So Nintendo would have to work out a deal with both Acitivision and Eon (the owners of the Bond franchise). Mop, Rare/Microsoft doesn't own any rights to the game. Nintendo had the Bond license at the time and they just assigned it to Rare. It would be like saying Neversoft owns any part of the Tony Hawk games just because they developed the early ones.
Donkey Kong 64 - The only problem here is that part of the game requires you to play and beat Jetpac (which is a Microsoft IP now), Nintendo would have to reprogram the game to remove that and probably replace it with something else. I doubt they consider it worth all the time and money to do that.
Kytim, the system a game appears on makes no difference in regards to ownership of a game.
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Post by: Morari on February 12, 2010, 06:56:45 PM
Not having Battletoads does hurt. :(
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 13, 2010, 12:02:56 AM
Donkey Kong 64 - The only problem here is that part of the game requires you to play and beat Jetpac (which is a Microsoft IP now), Nintendo would have to reprogram the game to remove that and probably replace it with something else. I doubt they consider it worth all the time and money to do that.
Nintendo did do something kinda like that with the original Punch-out! game for the NES. The game used to be called "Mike Tyson's Punch-out!" but then Mike Tyson was convicted of rape, so Nintendo decided to retool the game and so Mike Tyson was dropped from the game, and the boss you fight at the end was renamed Mr. Dream, but I believe still looks exactly the same as Tyson.
So Nintendo could do something like that with DK64, and it would actually be really easy to do because all they need to is change the name of that character and do a little cosmetic changing if necessary, but that should be really simple.
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Post by: Mop it up on February 13, 2010, 12:29:11 AM
All they need to do is just remove the Jetpac game and just have you receive whatever item you get for clearing it when you reach that part, or remove the item altogether. Seems like an easy fix really, but it still requires more effort from Nintendo than other releases, so they probably wouldn't do it until after they've put up everything else.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on February 13, 2010, 12:50:41 PM
I am not saying they couldn't do it, I just think Nintendo doesn't consider it worth the effort that it would take to do it unless they plan on charging like 1200 points instead of 1000 for it.
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Post by: Kytim89 on February 13, 2010, 01:13:15 PM
I can see it happening, if Rare continues its downward spiral until Microsoft is ready to sell the company (or at least its back-catalogue) to Nintendo for a couple percent of the original selling price.
They could be doing it on purpose. Perhaps Rare wants to get back to Nintendo.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on February 13, 2010, 03:00:00 PM
I think what's more likely to happen is Microsoft would just shut down Rare (like they did with Ensemble Studios) and have one of their other studios take over developing Rare's IPs. IP's are usually the last thing a company will sell.
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Post by: AV on February 13, 2010, 03:00:40 PM
Donkey Kong 64 - The only problem here is that part of the game requires you to play and beat Jetpac (which is a Microsoft IP now), Nintendo would have to reprogram the game to remove that and probably replace it with something else. I doubt they consider it worth all the time and money to do that.
Nintendo did do something kinda like that with the original Punch-out! game for the NES. The game used to be called "Mike Tyson's Punch-out!" but then Mike Tyson was convicted of rape, so Nintendo decided to retool the game and so Mike Tyson was dropped from the game, and the boss you fight at the end was renamed Mr. Dream, but I believe still looks exactly the same as Tyson.
So Nintendo could do something like that with DK64, and it would actually be really easy to do because all they need to is change the name of that character and do a little cosmetic changing if necessary, but that should be really simple.
Well Nintendo didn't do that for Virtual Console, they re-released it in the NES and the Virtual Console version is the re-release. Nintendo can do little things like take off wave race sponsors or add pokemon snap save to wii feature, but those are rare occasions. ;)
Now Microsoft may allow some games since it's pure profit for them. However I'm not sure if Nintendo is really keen on paying a rival company money.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 13, 2010, 05:43:05 PM
Yeah, Nintendo seems to hate to do anything with their old games to improve them in any way. They just want to dump them on the VC as is, and to hell with whatever they could do to make the game better.
Another good example is NES lightgun games like Hogan's Alley where it has two optional modes of play where you can use the light gun, or you can use the NES controller. Since the classic controller can't function as a light gun Nintendo stripped that mode completely out of the game, so know you can only use the crappy NES controller mode to play the game, which is a bunch of crap because the wii remote makes an excellent light gun and could have been retooled to work in that way, but Nintendo didn't want to put $200 worth of effort (or whatever small amount it would have cost) to make that happen, so we ended up with a piece of crap instead.
But meanwhile, like you said they have no problem with stripping things out. But when it comes to making a simple tweak or addition they just refuse..
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Post by: Peachylala on February 13, 2010, 05:45:02 PM
Has it become that bad for Rare though? I don't really pay attention to non-Nintendo news outlets (for good reasons that I will not mention) except forums posts that post them here, so that is news to me.
Quite sad considering they made the best SNES trilogy (Donkey Kong Country) and my favorite FPS games (Goldeneye/Perfect Dark).
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Post by: Mop it up on February 13, 2010, 06:07:40 PM
Didn't Rare make Wizards and Warriors on the NES? That was a fun little platformer back in the day. I remember it offered infinite continues, so it was one of the first games I managed to beat. The music is also really catchy.
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Post by: Kytim89 on February 13, 2010, 06:37:39 PM
Rareware games were some of the best and as I said before, Nnitendo fans should not have to worry about gaming politics getting in the way of them enjoying their favorite games on the virtual console.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on February 13, 2010, 08:38:58 PM
Has it become that bad for Rare though? I don't really pay attention to non-Nintendo news outlets (for good reasons that I will not mention) except forums posts that post them here, so that is news to me.
I don't like them (too boring for me), but Viva Pinata and Viva Pinata: Trouble in Paradise got good reviews.
Choze, you must be thinking of Operation Wolf, Hogan's Alley is not on the VC yet. I don't think we know if it was Nintendo's decision to only allow regular controls in it or if that was Square Enix's decision.
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Post by: Kairon on February 13, 2010, 08:40:03 PM
I want Rock 'N Roll Racing...
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Post by: Mop it up on February 13, 2010, 08:42:21 PM
Rock 'n Roll Racing was made by Rare? I didn't know that.
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Post by: Kairon on February 13, 2010, 08:44:34 PM
Rock 'n Roll Racing was made by Rare? I didn't know that.
Oh wait! NO! BLIZZARD!
GAH!
Mods! Mods! Help me turn back time!!!
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Post by: Mop it up on February 13, 2010, 09:14:24 PM
It's too late. You've now convinced me that Rock 'n Roll Racing was developed by Rare, and I shall spread this misinformation around the Internet in a misguided bout of ignorance until somebody slaps some sense into me.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 13, 2010, 09:24:18 PM
What did the five fingers say to the face.....?
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Post by: Mop it up on February 13, 2010, 09:40:04 PM
I'm afraid to ask...
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 13, 2010, 09:49:15 PM
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Post by: Mop it up on February 14, 2010, 01:03:32 AM
I saw that episode of Mythbusters where that .gif comes from. What I thought was funny was how hilarious Adam found that high-speed shot of himself being slapped to be.
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Post by: Kytim89 on February 14, 2010, 01:12:09 AM
Perhaps Nintendo could buy the rights to release the games on virtual console from Microsoft and then sell them back to us, the consumer, at a premium. Let's say about $15 each, I would pay that to have Conker's Bad Fur Day on y wii. However, this is wishful thinking because Nintendo is too chincy to work something out with Microsoft. Ywo wolves fighting over a piece of meat= Nintendo and Microsoft.
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Post by: Mop it up on February 14, 2010, 01:18:39 AM
Who's fighting? Microsoft owns Rare's games now and Nintendo has no interest in pursuing them. They did sell them in the first place, after all.
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Post by: Kytim89 on February 14, 2010, 01:47:15 AM
There has to be some glimmer of hope for these games coming to virtual console. :'(
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 14, 2010, 04:17:53 AM
I saw that episode of Mythbusters where that .gif comes from. What I thought was funny was how hilarious Adam found that high-speed shot of himself being slapped to be.
I seen that too, and it also made me laugh. The reason it was so funny is that they were both drunk and they were testing myths about ways to recover from being drunk and one of the myths think was about being slapped, and that's where that gif comes from. As they were watching the High-speed of it, Jamie commented that Adam's face looked like it was made out of rubber, lol.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on February 14, 2010, 11:20:25 AM
Who's fighting? Microsoft owns Rare's games now and Nintendo has no interest in pursuing them. They did sell them in the first place, after all.
Nintendo didn't really sell Rare. Microsoft already owned 51% of Rare (which they bought from the Stamper brothers), so Nintendo didn't think it made sense to own 49% of company that is mostly owned by a rival company.
Kytim, it doesn't make financial sense for Nintendo to get Microsoft IP's on their service (nor would Microsoft want to help a rival service). This is especially true for games Nintendo never had ay control over. Rare both developed and published Conker's Bad Fur Day themselves, all Nintendo did was distribute and advertise it (like EA does with the Rock Band games, which are developed by Harmonix/Pi Studios and published by MTV Games).
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Post by: Mop it up on February 14, 2010, 05:50:12 PM
Who's fighting? Microsoft owns Rare's games now and Nintendo has no interest in pursuing them. They did sell them in the first place, after all.
Nintendo didn't really sell Rare. Microsoft already owned 51% of Rare (which they bought from the Stamper brothers), so Nintendo didn't think it made sense to own 49% of company that is mostly owned by a rival company.
Well now you're just splitting hairs.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 14, 2010, 06:14:13 PM
Who's fighting? Microsoft owns Rare's games now and Nintendo has no interest in pursuing them. They did sell them in the first place, after all.
Nintendo didn't really sell Rare. Microsoft already owned 51% of Rare (which they bought from the Stamper brothers), so Nintendo didn't think it made sense to own 49% of company that is mostly owned by a rival company.
Kytim, it doesn't make financial sense for Nintendo to get Microsoft IP's on their service (nor would Microsoft want to help a rival service). This is especially true for games Nintendo never had ay control over. Rare both developed and published Conker's Bad Fur Day themselves, all Nintendo did was distribute and advertise it (like EA does with the Rock Band games, which are developed by Harmonix/Pi Studios and published by MTV Games).
Microsoft was only able to buy the Stamper brothers' 51% of Rare after the Stampers offered it to Nintendo and Nintendo passed on it. Nintendo could have kept Rare if they'd wanted to, but, after seeing what they'd done and what they had in the pipeline, and factoring in that the founders of the company were leaving, they decided to let them go.
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Post by: stevey on February 14, 2010, 07:21:01 PM
Come on, no one wants or has any Killer Instinct love? :(
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Post by: TJ Spyke on February 14, 2010, 08:15:53 PM
Who's fighting? Microsoft owns Rare's games now and Nintendo has no interest in pursuing them. They did sell them in the first place, after all.
Nintendo didn't really sell Rare. Microsoft already owned 51% of Rare (which they bought from the Stamper brothers), so Nintendo didn't think it made sense to own 49% of company that is mostly owned by a rival company.
Kytim, it doesn't make financial sense for Nintendo to get Microsoft IP's on their service (nor would Microsoft want to help a rival service). This is especially true for games Nintendo never had ay control over. Rare both developed and published Conker's Bad Fur Day themselves, all Nintendo did was distribute and advertise it (like EA does with the Rock Band games, which are developed by Harmonix/Pi Studios and published by MTV Games).
Microsoft was only able to buy the Stamper brothers' 51% of Rare after the Stampers offered it to Nintendo and Nintendo passed on it. Nintendo could have kept Rare if they'd wanted to, but, after seeing what they'd done and what they had in the pipeline, and factoring in that the founders of the company were leaving, they decided to let them go.
And? That doesn't change my point. Nintendo didn't sell Rare because they never owned Rare, they only had a minority stake in the company.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 14, 2010, 08:35:26 PM
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Post by: Kytim89 on February 15, 2010, 12:09:59 AM
There has to be some glimmer of hope of these games appearing on virtual console.
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Post by: Kytim89 on February 15, 2010, 12:16:59 AM
If these games were to be released on virtual console, I am sure Nintendo's servers would probably explode at the sheer amount of people on there down loading Rare games.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 15, 2010, 12:18:53 AM
Sorry to be blunt, but no, there is no realistic hope of any more Rare games hitting the VC, outside of DK 64, and even then there are hurdles. If you want those games you need to buy a 360 or dig out your old hardware.
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Post by: Kytim89 on February 15, 2010, 12:49:25 AM
Because these games were developed for Ninteno consoles in the past, they should atleast appear on the virtual console service.
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Post by: Mop it up on February 15, 2010, 03:19:00 AM
Despite his username, Insanolord knows what he is talking about. It would be wise to listen to him.
And? That doesn't change my point. Nintendo didn't sell Rare because they never owned Rare, they only had a minority stake in the company.
Your point doesn't change my point. Saying "they sold Rare" is just a simplified way of saying "they sold their shares of the company."
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Post by: TJ Spyke on February 15, 2010, 09:29:04 AM
Yeah, but then someone who sells 5 shares of Google cold say they sold Google.
Kytim, there is almost no chance that Microsoft-owned IPs will appear on the Virtual Console. Virtual Console is a rival service to Xbox Live Arcade and Wii is a rival to Xbox 360. The only reason they ever let their IPs be released on Game Boy Advance and Nintendo DS is because Microsoft doesn't have a portable game system (plus maybe wanting to help Sony suffer since Sony was the reason they chose to make a console in the first place).
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Post by: Dirk Temporo on February 15, 2010, 12:26:33 PM
Because these games were developed for Ninteno consoles in the past, they should atleast appear on the virtual console service.
Why do you keep repeating the same basic statement over and over without any regard to the facts presented earlier in the thread? There are too many licensing issues. Never going to happen. Get over it.
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Post by: Kytim89 on February 15, 2010, 01:35:37 PM
Probably what I will do when I get some more money is to hunt down and buy the N64 Rare titles and play them on my N64.
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Post by: Kytim89 on July 31, 2010, 11:58:02 PM
My time machine should be nearing completion soon. I plan to travel back in time and prevent the purchase of Rare by Microsoft. ;D :cool;
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Post by: King of Twitch on August 01, 2010, 12:05:23 AM
Do you think The Cabbage will ever appear on the Virtual Coleslaw?
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Post by: vudu on August 01, 2010, 06:39:50 PM
Just buy the games on the Nintendo 64 already. The only one that'd likely be difficult to find for less than $10 is Banjo-Tooie.
I have them all.
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Post by: Mop it up on August 02, 2010, 06:02:24 PM
All 11?
So why do you care if they come to the VC then?
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 02, 2010, 07:18:05 PM
I have them all for my N64, but I have not had much time to play them and it is kind of a pain in the rear to plug my N64 up to my TV that my wii and PS2 is using. I apologize for bringing up this tired and defeated topic again, but I worry that one day older cartridges will be extinct and the consoles they were played on will be gone too.
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Post by: Caterkiller on August 03, 2010, 03:13:12 AM
Look man, there is a pretty cool device that plays Sega Genesis, Super Nintendo, and NES games all on one system. I saw it at E3, I believe there might be one for N64 catridges as well. If there isn't you can bet the same company is thinking about it. Buy 2 of em and delete this thread.
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Post by: ThePerm on August 03, 2010, 04:12:25 AM
They can still end up on DS, Microsoft seems larely uninterested in competing with Nintendo on the handheld front.
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Post by: Mop it up on August 03, 2010, 06:09:04 PM
I don't know, I think due to low sales of Diddy Kong Racing, they probably think that it wouldn't be worth the effort to release the games onto the DS.
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Post by: ThePerm on August 03, 2010, 06:38:32 PM
That is true, remakes are a problem though. I loved Diddy Kong Racing on N64, but i don't find the need to rebuy it.
i wonder though, if Rare made a new banjo game on 3ds, how well would it sell? Most of Rare's userbase were Nintendo owners, do they wonder why their sales are 4thed on Microsoft consoles?
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 03, 2010, 07:18:15 PM
My biggest beaf with this whole issue is that Microsoft drove Rare further into the ground. I mean they were heading that way on their own any way, but if they had stayed with Nintendo they might have turned it around.
I mean look at the abismal sales/acceptance of Perfect Dark Zero, Conker: Live and Reloaded and some cases the Perfect Dark remake are signs that Rare only got worse under Microsoft's domain.
I just have to wonder what the wii woud be like if Rare and Nintendo never split up?
If Rare titles will never return to a Nintendo console, and they wont, the only people who will get money from me at all will be the second handers who have used copies of the Rare SNES and N64 cartridges or emulaters.
The biggest obstacle to this issue is not Microsoft or Rare, but Nintendo themselves. Let us assume that some kind of deal was to be made, Microsoft says, "Okay Nintendo, you can have Conker and Banjo on the VC service, but since Rare developed Donkey Kong and Star Fox games, we want those on Xbox live, too." Nintendo will never allow their intellectual properties to be ported to non-Nintendo products.
Word on the internet is that Nintendo fanboys argue that since these games were developed for Nintendo systems, they should be emulated on the virtual console. This argument has credibility, but the dollar signs in Microsoft's eye are blocking the bleeding hearts of Nintendo fans. Unless they are thinking of buying an xbox on the other hand.
Conker's Bad Fur Day 3DS would be nice.
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Post by: ThePerm on August 03, 2010, 07:28:57 PM
My biggest beaf with this whole issue is that Microsoft drove Rare further into the ground. I mean they were heading that way on their own any way, but if they had stayed with Nintendo they might have turned it around.
I mean look at the abismal sales/acceptance of Perfect Dark Zero, Conker: Live and Reloaded and some cases the Perfect Dark remake are signs that Rare only got worse under Microsoft's domain.
I just have to wonder what the wii woud be like if Rare and Nintendo never split up?
an alternate universe! actually this should get some fun put behind it.
but dollar signs have nothing to do with microsoft, its just difficult to help your competition in any way. Although, Nintendo is perfectly content to sell things to Microsoft for the right price. Rare...their Redmond Campus
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 03, 2010, 07:44:40 PM
The Golden Eye 007 game is off the table, but Microsoft could release the the other games on VC and then aggressively advertise the XBL versions of the games are much better. What is it to Nintendo? I mean they are making billions on the wii and DS, and soon to be wii 2 and 3DS, to care about what happens to the VC service.
My fear of older cartridges running out of supply, as crazy as it might seem, will one day become a reality. The games that are left will become increasingly rare(no pun intended) and expensive. As far as Rare titles go, let's assume that one day N64 games become so hard to find that no one can find any at a reasonable price, I do not want to be dependant on Microsoft to emulate these titles for me. :cool;
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Post by: King of Twitch on August 03, 2010, 07:49:21 PM
How sweet would it have been if Rare and Nintendo did not have a divorce and they developed for the wii?
Perfect Dark Zero for the Gamecube or wii(motion controls?)
Banjo Kazooie Threeie or Nuts and Bolts for the wii
No thanks, I've played both those games and they're pretty terrible. All the talent at Rare left to form Free Radical, so if Nintendo really wanted the kind of support Rare used to offer they would have been better off acquiring Free Radical when they probably could have gotten them for cheap.
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 03, 2010, 10:28:29 PM
Has Free Radical developed any thing for wii?
Isn't Diddy Kong a Rare property?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 03, 2010, 10:43:23 PM
Free Radical Design (now known as Crytek UK) has not developed anything for Wii. This is the list of games:
And no, Diddy Kong is part of the Donkey Kong IP. Microsoft does not have any ownership of it (technically Rare has no property anymore, Microsoft got all of their property when they bought them. Microsoft could shut Rare down right now if they wanted to). All characters created in the Donkey Kong games Rare developed are considered part of the Donkey Kong universe and are owned by Nintendo (before you mention Banjo and Conker being in Diddy Kong Racing, both already existed before that).
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 03, 2010, 10:49:36 PM
So could Diddy Kong Racing appear on the VC?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 03, 2010, 10:50:53 PM
Yes, but they would have to remove Conker and Banjo (or get permission from Microsoft). I don't know if they consider it worth the time and money it would take to remove them.
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Post by: King of Twitch on August 04, 2010, 12:41:12 AM
Why would Diddy Kong appear with the Viet Cong?
NO VC EVER CALLED HIM A ******!
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 04, 2010, 12:38:13 PM
Yes, but they would have to remove Conker and Banjo (or get permission from Microsoft). I don't know if they consider it worth the time and money it would take to remove them.
With the Virtual console(not viet cong) pretty much grinding to a halt, the idea of this game coming to the service despite the Rare rights debocle seems higly unlikely. To remove those two characters, a hollow shell would exisit in the game.
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Post by: Sarail on August 04, 2010, 12:41:00 PM
They could add Birdo and Yoshi in their place!
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Post by: broodwars on August 04, 2010, 12:50:52 PM
They could also just use the cast from the DS version, where Conker and Banjo were already replaced by Dixie and Tiny Kongs.
Or that! Hah, I hadn't ever played the DS version. Is it good?
Dunno, I didn't play it either. From what I've heard, it was ok.
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 04, 2010, 03:47:57 PM
I am a firm believer that Donkey Kong Country 64 will appear on virtual console this winter to coincide with the release of Donkey Kong Country Returns. Nintendo will simply remove the Jetpac portion and call it a day.
Has anyone emulated the Rare titles on hombrew?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 04, 2010, 03:55:31 PM
They can't just remove it, part of the game required you to play Jetpac. That means they would have to re-program the game to deal with that. It's not as simple a "just take it out and put Donkey Kong 64 on the VC".
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 04, 2010, 04:27:12 PM
They can't just remove it, part of the game required you to play Jetpac. That means they would have to re-program the game to deal with that. It's not as simple a "just take it out and put Donkey Kong 64 on the VC".
Perhaps they could insert some kind of wiiware or DSiware title in Jetpac's place. Maybe even a game and watch title? How about Dark Void Zero?
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Post by: broodwars on August 04, 2010, 05:09:17 PM
They can't just remove it, part of the game required you to play Jetpac. That means they would have to re-program the game to deal with that. It's not as simple a "just take it out and put Donkey Kong 64 on the VC".
Perhaps they could insert some kind of wiiware or DSiware title in Jetpac's place. Maybe even a game and watch title? How about Dark Void Zero?
Considering Dark Void Zero is a Capcom game, no. Nintendo could just throw any NES game they wanted in Jetpac's place and just demand an arbitrary high score, if they wanted to. Someone at Nintendo probably looked at the time and money they'd have to throw into programming and testing that (and any lost revenue from the VC sales of that game, for that matter), compared that to the amount of money they'd likely get from a Nintendo 64 Title on the Virtual Console (a service they already barely support), and then they said it wasn't worth the cost.
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 04, 2010, 09:23:25 PM
The reason why I mentioned Dark Void Zero is because of its similarity to Jetpack. It would seem that it would not be that costly to renovate DK 64. I mean the game is old and I am sure a computer geek in his garage with the right equipment could do it if they want to. It is not a matter money, but the sake of doing it on Nintendo's part.
I am planning to write an essay/article about the decline on the virtual console service and part of it I am going to mention a little tidbit about the inability of Rare games on the service being one down side to the service.
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Post by: King of Twitch on August 04, 2010, 09:30:45 PM
Do you need an editor?
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 04, 2010, 09:32:15 PM
I am planning to finish it around the end of august and paln to put it on this forum and a few others.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 04, 2010, 09:33:41 PM
It is a matter of money. You have to pay the programmers to take out Jetpac, replace it with a new game of similar or smaller size, and test the game to make sure it works. All of that takes time and money (and age has nothing to do with it). If Nintendo does not think they would make enough money off of the game on the VC, then that alone would be enough reason to them. If a company doesn't think they will make a profit, then they won't do something.
I am sure a computer geek could do it, but it would probably take them a few months (MAYBE a few weeks if they are really talented).
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Post by: King of Twitch on August 04, 2010, 09:44:53 PM
This undertaking appears too great for just one man.
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Post by: Ponch on August 04, 2010, 10:01:33 PM
I am planning to write an essay/article about the decline on the virtual console service and part of it I am going to mention a little tidbit about the inability of Rare games on the service being one down side to the service.
Stop, stop. Sir, do you know what you're doing?
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Post by: Stratos on August 04, 2010, 10:30:33 PM
I want to try the DS version of DKR someday.
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Post by: Mop it up on August 04, 2010, 11:14:09 PM
Nintendo wouldn't need to replace the JetPac game with another game, they could just remove it and give you for free whatever item you received from getting a high score in it. It probably wouldn't make much sense within the context of the game, but at least it'd be an easy way to put it onto the VC.
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 04, 2010, 11:45:25 PM
I hope this new Golden Eye 007 game coming out this year sells fairly well and maybe it will spur interest in doing something with the older game from Nintendo and the other companies.
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Post by: Stratos on August 05, 2010, 12:10:47 AM
I hope this new Golden Eye 007 game coming out this year sells fairly well and maybe it will spur interest in doing something with the older game from Nintendo and the other companies.
It won't. /Cynical Gamer
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Post by: Mop it up on August 05, 2010, 12:39:42 AM
Goldeneye on the N64 has no hope of ever being re-released, due to issues with the copyright. It would appear that it may be held by multiple companies, and there's no way they are all going to come to an agreement over it (nor will they try because it isn't worth the money). Not only was the game's copyright filed by both Nintendo and Rare, but the game's copyright is tied to the movie copyright, which means that the current Bond licence holder (Activision and.... MGM?) could possibly hold a right to it as well. It's quite a mess.
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 06, 2010, 01:34:47 PM
I played Time Splitters for the gamecube and this game's Rare pedigree trully shows. I mean it has a Golden Eye 007 and Perfect Dark vibe when I play it.
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Post by: ThePerm on August 06, 2010, 03:30:47 PM
Goldeneye on the N64 has no hope of ever being re-released, due to issues with the copyright. It would appear that it may be held by multiple companies, and there's no way they are all going to come to an agreement over it (nor will they try because it isn't worth the money). Not only was the game's copyright filed by both Nintendo and Rare, but the game's copyright is tied to the movie copyright, which means that the current Bond licence holder (Activision and.... MGM?) could possibly hold a right to it as well. It's quite a mess.
not to mention mgm going out of business and the new bond movie being cancelled.
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 06, 2010, 04:03:37 PM
Goldeneye on the N64 has no hope of ever being re-released, due to issues with the copyright. It would appear that it may be held by multiple companies, and there's no way they are all going to come to an agreement over it (nor will they try because it isn't worth the money). Not only was the game's copyright filed by both Nintendo and Rare, but the game's copyright is tied to the movie copyright, which means that the current Bond licence holder (Activision and.... MGM?) could possibly hold a right to it as well. It's quite a mess.
not to mention mgm going out of business and the new bond movie being cancelled.
There are rumors that Sony Motion Pictures is intalks to pick up all of MGM's movies.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 06, 2010, 05:32:46 PM
MGM is having financial troubles, but they are not going out business. Also, Bond 23 is NOT canceled. MGM just delayed it while they deal with their financial situation (some sites incorrectly reported that it was canceled, the only thing that happened was that Sam Mendes will not direct it anymore).
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Post by: DAaaMan64 on August 06, 2010, 05:48:28 PM
I played Time Splitters for the gamecube and this game's Rare pedigree trully shows. I mean it has a Golden Eye 007 and Perfect Dark vibe when I play it.
Yeah actually TimeSplitters 2 and Future Perfect are both excellent FPSes
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Post by: Mop it up on August 06, 2010, 06:01:21 PM
I played Time Splitters for the gamecube and this game's Rare pedigree trully shows. I mean it has a Golden Eye 007 and Perfect Dark vibe when I play it.
It makes sense, Free Radical were founded by ex-Rare employees, some of the ones who developed both Goldeneye and Perfect Dark. I think that's part of why Nintendo sold Rare, because they lost some of their talent.
And yeah, both were pretty good games, though I feel they were missing a little something that I can't quite identify...
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Post by: DAaaMan64 on August 06, 2010, 06:05:58 PM
I played Time Splitters for the gamecube and this game's Rare pedigree trully shows. I mean it has a Golden Eye 007 and Perfect Dark vibe when I play it.
It makes sense, Free Radical were founded by ex-Rare employees, some of the ones who developed both Goldeneye and Perfect Dark. I think that's part of why Nintendo sold Rare, because they lost some of their talent.
And yeah, both were pretty good games, though I feel they were missing a little something that I can't quite identify...
Like... nothing?
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Post by: Mop it up on August 06, 2010, 06:12:21 PM
I don't know. The games always felt a little slow, maybe because the characters move as if they're treading through a swamp. TimeSplitters 3 had some nice improvements, but it removed a few things from the previous game that I liked, plus I've never felt the series has had good multiplayer arenas. A lot of them have just one path through the level, creating a bottleneck. There aren't any good explosive weapons either.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 06, 2010, 06:25:36 PM
The TimeSplitters games were the best first person shooters of last generation.
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Post by: Mop it up on August 06, 2010, 06:30:49 PM
That I do agree with. They're great games for sure, but I still think they could've been better.
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Post by: Stratos on August 07, 2010, 05:29:41 AM
They lacked the Nintendo Touch that made both Goldeneye and Perfect Dark masterpieces.
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Post by: Peachylala on August 08, 2010, 12:58:39 PM
They lacked the Nintendo Touch that made both Goldeneye and Perfect Dark masterpieces.
And from what I heard, PD Live Arcade is even better with a smoothed out frame-rate (though god help me if they made it's aiming second analog. Those games had awesome aiming systems for a console FPS).
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 08, 2010, 02:17:18 PM
When it comes to the Golden Eye 007 license, it reminds of three people(Nintendo, Activision, and Microsoft) eating dinner at a table and discovering that there is one delicious pork chop left on the table. Everytime one party tries to reach for that pork chop, the other two parties place their fork into it and say they claim dibs on the chop and the other two must leave because they are full. However, the chop is too tasty for anyone to give and it can not be divided because each person wants it all for themselves. Eventually, the chop spoils and becomes stagnate and no one can enjoy it and everyone loses in the long run.
I understand the spider web of rights issues regarding the Golden Eye 007 game, but if the games is just sitting on the sidelines it is not doing anyone any good. In fact, I read that a few years Microsoft had the game ready to go for xboxo live and that they were willing to share the franchise with Nintendo's Virtual console, but Nintendo turned it down.
Had Nintendo went through with the deal, it would have most likely orpened the door for further Rare titles to emerge on Nintendo's service.
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Post by: Mop it up on August 08, 2010, 04:49:11 PM
As cute as that analogy is, the reality is more like this:
Goldeneye is like a piece of garbage on the ground, that's covered in gum and ants, and has been stepped on numerous times. Nintendo, Microsoft, and Activision all walk past it and leave it on the ground, because it would be too messy and disgusting to pick it up and put it in the trash receptacle. It wouldn't be worth the effort just for one tiny piece of insignificant garbage.
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 08, 2010, 05:09:26 PM
As cute as that analogy is, the reality is more like this:
Goldeneye is like a piece of garbage on the ground, that's covered in gum and ants, and has been stepped on numerous times. Nintendo, Microsoft, and Activision all walk past it and leave it on the ground, because it would be too messy and disgusting to pick it up and put it in the trash receptacle. It wouldn't be worth the effort just for one tiny piece of insignificant garbage.
This analogy implies that the Golden Eye game is garbage, and the game has aged since its day, but the potential revenue from revitalizing this game is too good to pass up. What I am saying is that if it were to come to wiiware tomorrow with enhanced frame rate, updated graphics and better controls, Would you buy the game, or would you pass it up because you have the N64 cartridges?
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Post by: Mop it up on August 08, 2010, 05:16:33 PM
To the companies who hold the rights to Goldeneye? It's scraps. It's nothing more than a game they'd release on their download service for $10, which would bring in minuscule profit not worth the effort of untangling the rights. They're not attached to it with fond memories and don't care that they can't release it onto their system. Most XBox 360 owners likely don't have any nostalgia attached to Goldeneye so they wouldn't download what they view as an archaic shooter when the system has so many others that are much better, and, outside of a select few individuals on Nintendo fansites, the Wii audience wouldn't care either.
No, I wouldn't buy a re-release or remake of Goldeneye. I don't want more Goldeneye, I want more games like Goldeneye, meaning games with thought-out level design, a variety of weapons, good A.I. script, etc.
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Post by: broodwars on August 08, 2010, 05:28:09 PM
As cute as that analogy is, the reality is more like this:
Goldeneye is like a piece of garbage on the ground, that's covered in gum and ants, and has been stepped on numerous times. Nintendo, Microsoft, and Activision all walk past it and leave it on the ground, because it would be too messy and disgusting to pick it up and put it in the trash receptacle. It wouldn't be worth the effort just for one tiny piece of insignificant garbage.
This analogy implies that the Golden Eye game is garbage, and the game has aged since its day, but the potential revenue from revitalizing this game is too good to pass up. What I am saying is that if it were to come to wiiware tomorrow with enhanced frame rate, updated graphics and better controls, Would you buy the game, or would you pass it up because you have the N64 cartridges?
I would pass the game up because I already own both the N64 cart of Perfect Dark and its XBLA quasi-remake, both of which are far better games than GoldenEye.
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 08, 2010, 05:28:18 PM
No, I wouldn't buy a re-release or remake of Goldeneye. I don't want more Goldeneye, I want more games like Goldeneye, meaning games with thought-out level design, a variety of weapons, good A.I. script, etc.
Basically Conduit 2?
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Post by: broodwars on August 08, 2010, 05:29:08 PM
No, I wouldn't buy a re-release or remake of Goldeneye. I don't want more Goldeneye, I want more games like Goldeneye, meaning games with thought-out level design, a variety of weapons, good A.I. script, etc.
Basically Conduit 2?
Hahahahahahahahahaha....
Oh wait, you were actually being serious.
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Post by: Mop it up on August 08, 2010, 05:37:22 PM
Actually, I liked The Conduit, sometimes it reminded me of Goldeneye, at least in the sense that it was more focused on action than most shooters these days. I thought it had some good arenas and weapons, it mostly just needed more of everything, including features. Though I speak only of the multiplayer component, as I played just the first few missions of single player. It was okay, but nothing special.
If The Conduit 2 builds on it, then it could be quite good indeed. I'll be watching it to see if that happens.
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 08, 2010, 05:49:22 PM
Actually, I liked The Conduit, sometimes it reminded me of Goldeneye, at least in the sense that it was more focused on action than most shooters these days. I thought it had some good arenas and weapons, it mostly just needed more of everything, including features. Though I speak only of the multiplayer component, as I played just the first few missions of single player. It was okay, but nothing special.
If The Conduit 2 builds on it, then it could be quite good indeed. I'll be watching it to see if that happens.
I kind of think of the Conduit series and High Voltage as being in some regards the successor to Rare on a Nintendo console. As silly as it sounds, High Voltage has the potential of becoming a major developer if they play their cards right on the wii and the wii 2. Although Tournament of Legends would say oyher wise.
I keep saying that the Conduit is the second coming of Perfect Dark on the wii, and before any of you Perfect Dark fans form a lynch mob for me, keep in my mind that both of the games have sci-fi elements and focus on pure action.
I just think that it is a crying shame that the only way Nintendo fans can enjoy the famous Rare titles is by digging up the older consoles, or buying a rival console.
How has emulating Rare titles on homebre been going?
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 08, 2010, 11:00:22 PM
I am going to buy the new Golden Eye game.
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Post by: broodwars on August 08, 2010, 11:54:35 PM
Actually, I liked The Conduit, sometimes it reminded me of Goldeneye, at least in the sense that it was more focused on action than most shooters these days. I thought it had some good arenas and weapons, it mostly just needed more of everything, including features. Though I speak only of the multiplayer component, as I played just the first few missions of single player. It was okay, but nothing special.
If The Conduit 2 builds on it, then it could be quite good indeed. I'll be watching it to see if that happens.
I kind of think of the Conduit series and High Voltage as being in some regards the successor to Rare on a Nintendo console. As silly as it sounds, High Voltage has the potential of becoming a major developer if they play their cards right on the wii and the wii 2. Although Tournament of Legends would say oyher wise.
High Voltage wishes it even had a fraction of the talent that Rare had in its heyday. High Voltage makes derivative, deliberately generic titles that are only appreciated by the few that do because there are few better options on the Wii. They promise the world and deliver a city block. Rare in its heyday made games that defined the N64. For all High Voltage's stated ambitions, they just do not possess the talent they need to actually create a notable product. That's my impression of them from their pathetic efforts with Conduit 1. Perhaps Conduit 2 will be different.
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I keep saying that the Conduit is the second coming of Perfect Dark on the wii, and before any of you Perfect Dark fans form a lynch mob for me, keep in my mind that both of the games have sci-fi elements and focus on pure action.
They're only similar games in the most base aspects: a shadow government organization conspiring with Aliens to take over the world (OF COURSE!). Perfect Dark, as simple as it was, had a layer of complexity with the various mission objectives and scripting. Conduit 1 was more similar to an older title like Quake or Doom: you run around generic hallways shooting aliens while the game strives to make you care.
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I just think that it is a crying shame that the only way Nintendo fans can enjoy the famous Rare titles is by digging up the older consoles, or buying a rival console.
If you think it was such a crying shame, then you only have your messiah to blame for it: Nintendo themselves. They are the ones who sold their shares of Rare so Microsoft could acquire the company and take their licenses with them. I personally think Nintendo made the entirely correct move to dump Rare when they did considering their pitiful efforts with Microsoft, but Nintendo is entirely responsible for the state of Rare on their systems.
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 09, 2010, 01:10:43 AM
I do not really care any more because I have the old N64 games.
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Post by: Mop it up on August 09, 2010, 01:19:15 AM
I keep saying that the Conduit is the second coming of Perfect Dark on the wii,
For that to be true The Conduit 2 would have to go all out with features, including co-op and counter-op modes, A.I. bots in multiplayer, and more. But it could easily top Call of Duty: Modern Warfare if they try hard enough. The Conduit almost did.
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 09, 2010, 01:40:00 AM
I will probably trade in my copy of the first game at Gamestop and use what ever credit I can get to buy the sequel because it looks more promising as a whole.
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Post by: Dasmos on August 09, 2010, 01:43:41 AM
I will probably trade in my copy of the first game at Gamestop and use what ever credit I can get to buy the sequel because it looks more promising as a whole.
According to CAG, GameStop is currently offering $7 in credit for it. If you have a spare box, you can trade it in to Amazon.com instead since they offer $10 in credit for it.
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 09, 2010, 01:37:23 PM
I will probably trade in my copy of the first game at Gamestop and use what ever credit I can get to buy the sequel because it looks more promising as a whole.
According to CAG, GameStop is currently offering $7 in credit for it. If you have a spare box, you can trade it in to Amazon.com instead since they offer $10 in credit for it.
Meh, I will just keep it.
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 09, 2010, 03:58:22 PM
Here is a quote from Rare:
In reply to another letter with a similar question Rare stated:
As for VC, it’s
ultimately Nintendo’s decision what gets released. Beyond the DKC games we don’t have anything in the pipeline at the moment, but that doesn’t mean it won’t happen in future.
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 09, 2010, 08:27:42 PM
I am in the process of playing Perfect Dark, but my exspansion pack is not working and so I am stuck in an arena style game play until I resolve this issue.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on August 09, 2010, 08:51:49 PM
I don't remember all the details but didn't the expansion pack open up more of the game than if you didn't have the expansion pack. I think I remember reading in NP that like you could only play 40% of the game without the expansion pack.
Somebody correct me if I am wrong.
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Post by: King of Twitch on August 09, 2010, 08:54:18 PM
Cool. I just took my socks off and put them in my hamper! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D ::DD :::DDD ::::DDDDDDDDD :::::::::::::::::::::::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD ::::::::::: DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD:::::::::::::::::::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD::::::::::::::::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 09, 2010, 09:19:31 PM
I don't remember all the details but didn't the expansion pack open up more of the game than if you didn't have the expansion pack. I think I remember reading in NP that like you could only play 40% of the game without the expansion pack.
Somebody correct me if I am wrong.
According to the box and instruction booklet, about 35% of the game is playable without the Expansion Pack. The Expansion Pack is required for the single player mode as well as some of the multiplayer modes.
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Post by: Mop it up on August 09, 2010, 09:53:41 PM
I guess the manual considers the Combat Simulator (the multiplayer mode) only 35% of the game even though, for me, it was the main draw, and the place where I spent the majority of my time with it. Anything related to the single player mode is not available, which includes co-op and counter-op. A few small features are disabled in the Combat Simulator though, which includes the character select, music select, naming teams, three or four players, and the two-player is done with tiny boxes similar in size to the four-player mode.
