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Title: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: NWR_DrewMG on October 22, 2009, 12:39:04 PM
Vote for two players, it'll be hidden for two days, and then the winner will be announced. 

Discuss away!
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 22, 2009, 01:58:06 PM
Well I don't think I deserve MVP this game. I endangered the townies with who I trusted. Only Stratos and Stogi survived out of my small alliance. But I think with me and Khushrenada out of the game that put lots of eyes on thatguy. Day 3 is the day that changed the game. Every Mafia member voted for Vudu except DAaaMan64. Ohhboys slip up at the end of the voting day sealed it for him. Nuclear Speed played well.

I have a question for the townies that were alive Day 4 to the end of the game. Was all that fighting amongst eachother staged and you were hoping to get mafia members to vote for you? Thats the way it looked from my perspective.
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: vudu on October 22, 2009, 02:00:47 PM
It was staged in that we didn't want the mafia to have a clear picture that we were working together.  There were quite a few PMs going around in the background between us about potential mafia members.

Mop it up will have to clarify whether she honestly suspected Nickmitch may be mafia, but I was pretty sure he was a townie.
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: decoyman on October 22, 2009, 03:10:41 PM
One thing I liked about this game was that there was no sure thing, even though we had a sheriff... because of Elusive Lucy, you couldn't count on any of the investigations being accurate. We all had to just go based on our gut instincts, and kind of just take a leap of faith that what we were thinking was true.

I was in contact with vudu and UB mostly, trusting that they were townies, and that made it tense but exciting. I didn't know for sure either way, and I kept doubting that I was right, one day thinking UB had to be mafia, the next, vudu had to be mafia... It was really pretty fun, and vindicating to know that in the end, my hunches were right (well, those two).

Also, to those of you saying it isn't fun or interesting when you're just a townie... I had a ton of fun. Randomly voting for people just to see their (and others') reaction, acting totally oblivious in the threads while throwing PMs at vudu and UB and others in secret. It might be a little harder, but it can be totally fun. :P
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: that Baby guy on October 22, 2009, 03:15:21 PM
I added someone to the poll.

Also, I can see the results, and they are shocking.  At least, I'm shocked.

Edit: Now I'm less surprised.  Looks like someone moved a vote away from me :p
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: NWR_DrewMG on October 22, 2009, 03:25:53 PM
Haha, I'm not sure what qualifies me to be MVP, but if you want it on there, then go ahead. 
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: that Baby guy on October 22, 2009, 04:03:06 PM
Sheesh, and now the other person to vote for me also removed his/her vote.

It makes sense, sure, but still, why did you vote for someone on the losing side to begin with?
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: vudu on October 22, 2009, 04:07:58 PM
Just because you lost doesn't mean that you didn't contribute the most to the team.  I can't say who's call it was to have Daaaman protect both you and NuclearSpeed but it protected NS for several days and it would have helped you if I didn't already suspect you (that and I wanted to save my own ass).
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: that Baby guy on October 22, 2009, 04:09:29 PM
Eh, typically in games, the MVP reward only goes to the winning team.  I just want to make sure the winners get their credit ;)
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: vudu on October 22, 2009, 04:18:05 PM
I'm having a hard time coming up with just two people to vote for.  I'm an ass, but not so much that I'd actually vote for myself, so it comes down to Stratos, Mop it up and UncleBob.

After thatguy was voted out 4 to 3 on day 3, I contacted Mop it up, Nickmitch and Stogi to start an alliance.  I also randomly contacted Stratos and for some reason trusted him enough to tell him my role and to start working with him separately from the others.  I talked with Stratos and Mop it up quite a bit on days 4 and 5.  Both had great contributions and together we voted out oohhboy.  Stogi helped, too, but he was almost as aloof in PMs as he was in the daily threads, so I have to give the other two a slight edge.

After UncleBob saved me on day 5, I worked very close with him until the end of the game.  After we mistakenly voted off stevey--and before we figured out NuclearSpeed was mafia--I began to wonder if someone in the alliance was mafia.  We were running out of potential mafia members and I questioned my judgment with being so open with the others earlier so I began to contact them less frequently--I didn't tell any of them about UncleBob (which made it very difficult since just a couple days ago Stogi and I were both convinced that Bob was mafia, so he kept trying to vote him off while I somehow tried to prevent it without giving away that Bob was the doctor).

In the end, I'll vote for two of you, but I'm not going to say which ones in order to avoid any hurt feelings.  I love you all equally!
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: NWR_DrewMG on October 22, 2009, 04:21:48 PM
I'm not requiring that the MVP be from the winning team.  Vote however you like. 
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: that Baby guy on October 22, 2009, 04:27:57 PM
Vote for Drew_MG.  It was a fun game with good roles.  I figured that deserves points.

I picked GP because she actually had the guts to come forward and say she was the investigator when she needed to do so.  She was able to communicate the necessary information about what all had happened in time, because she really was on borrowed time at that point.

Do I think the townies would have won without her doing this?  Probably, but her actions really lead to the win, since it was made clear that the mafia easily could have altered her NuclearSpeed investigation.  What's most interesting, though, was the choice of NuclearSpeed on her own.  Personally, I suggested oohhboy, nickmitch, and Decoyman, the three people who needed to vote for the day.  She came back with NuclearSpeed, I told her it would work, then informed DAaaMan of who to mess with.  The one move I think she should have done better was actually post she had investigated NuclearSpeed, so that way she'd be sure the townies would learn of it.  Given how this game worked, it honestly would have lead to an earlier mafia loss, I think.

Edit:  Drew_MG, I know you're not, but still, I'm just saying it's typical in sports for it to be that way, so I was surprised that my early death, combined with a team loss resulted in votes for me.  Maybe it's just habit in mafia to vote for thatguy at this point.  Also, I don't know my Wii FC, so you'd never give that prize away to me anyways.
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: vudu on October 22, 2009, 04:39:17 PM
The one move I think [GP] should have done better was actually post she had investigated NuclearSpeed, so that way she'd be sure the townies would learn of it.  Given how this game worked, it honestly would have lead to an earlier mafia loss, I think.

I doubt it.  Between days 3 to 7--that five days, mind you--we voted out 4 mafia members.  On day 5 we--myself, Stogi, Mop it up, and if memory serves Stratos, too--were *positive* that UncleBob and stevey were mafia.  We decided to vote out stevey first--lucky for us!  After that, UncleBob contracted me and told me he was the doctor.  We had to change our plan and quickly found the last two mafia members.  But chances are we would have voted out stevey before NuclearSpeed or Daaaman--both do a really good job of laying low--so I don't think it would have affected the outcome of the game very much.

Note:  This is not meant to be a knock against GP.  She did a fine job playing and I'll fully admit to dropping the ball by assuming NuclearSpeed was a legit townie just because GP investigated him.  Luckily, I don't think it impacted the game in any way--Mop it up would have still likely been killed by the mafia and we still would have voted out stevey.  If anything, the only thing to change would have been the order that Daaaman and NuclearSpeed were voted out.
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: that Baby guy on October 22, 2009, 04:44:09 PM
But you neglect the fact that stevey would have called GP a liar of some sort, then gone and done his own then.  Afterwards, GP would have been found to have been the investigator and stevey would have looked like one very incompetent mafia member had he actually been a mafia member, and thus he'd have been left alive, and DAaaMan would have been voted out instead.  UncleBob would definitely saved himself from the vote by contacting a few townie-ish people.
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 22, 2009, 04:49:59 PM
Was I right to assume the reason why I wasn't taken out the first day thatguy found out who I was because I was investigating nuclearspeed?
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: vudu on October 22, 2009, 04:53:16 PM
Probably.  As long as he knew who you were going to investigate he had the ability to manipulate the results.  You posed very little threat at that point.  It was only after you went public that you started to stir up trouble.
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: that Baby guy on October 22, 2009, 04:54:56 PM
To be honest, I asked oohhboy not to say anything to me in regards to the days hits.  I have no idea if he found out who Plugabugz was, or anything like that.  If they didn't know, it sure was a lucky hit.  (My distance from the mafia hits is another reason I was surprised to have been voted out so quickly!)

Personally, I'd have kept you alive as long as possible.  I'd want to make you doubt all the results after everyone turned up a townie, start double checking people, get different results, and really just use you against the townies.  I'm guessing NuclearSpeed and the rest couldn't secure a method to do that, so they killed you, but I would have kept you alive.
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: vudu on October 22, 2009, 04:56:41 PM
I'm guessing NuclearSpeed and the rest couldn't secure a method to do that, so they killed you, but I would have kept you alive.

That's right--once thatguy was voted off there was no way for the mafia to know who you were going to investigate (assuming you didn't have an open dialog with NuclearSpeed).  You became a liability.
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: NuclearSpeed on October 22, 2009, 05:38:05 PM
I never had contact with Gp, when I was told about the in with the investigator it was just so I didn't use that role with anyone. I wanted to keep my result a secret until I was really under fire, but by then vudu had rallied the troops. He was chosen that night only because he was one of a couple that wasn't suspicious of me that day and active and I had not contacted him, didn't want it to look like someone was shut up for being on to a mafia member.

Not sure who I would vote for yet, thatguy obviously did a lot for both sides, and there seems to be a few townies that did a lot of work, so I am sure someone deserving will get it.
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: Mop it up on October 22, 2009, 06:05:00 PM
There were actually quite a few really good players this game on both sides.
Thatguy's plan might have actually worked if the word got out that he were townie.
Vudu was the one who really banded the townies together and also deduced a couple of the Mafia.
Looks like GoldenPhoenix did quite a bit behind the scenes, and helped aid in finding the final member.
Kashogi Y. Stogi made some good votes but wasn't very vocal about him, so he wasn't too helpful in getting others to side with him.
UncleBob made a great save with choosing Vudu, but he didn't start contributing with the votes until the end. I also feel he missed two obvious protections with Khushrenada and GoldenPhoenix (and maybe me, but I'm probably not a good judge of that).
Seems like Stratos was more active in PMs and discussing who might be who than he was with voting, but that was still helpful.

I'm not sure if I was as helpful as anyone listed above, but I'm still happy with my performance. Each game is a learning experience, and there's definitely much for me to take away from this. Even though I didn't make it to the end, I have no regrets.

Mop_it_up will have to clarify whether she honestly suspected Nickmitch may be mafia, but I was pretty sure he was a townie.
Well, since he wasn't voting much then I was starting to wonder. But I had always planned to change my vote to Oohhboy.
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: that Baby guy on October 22, 2009, 06:10:19 PM
You know, I posted it in the day thread.  I think that's getting the word out :p
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: Mop it up on October 22, 2009, 06:15:09 PM
You know I don't trust you. I have to hear about it from somebody else.
And I hope you aren't about to tell me that it was stupid to not trust you...
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 22, 2009, 06:22:46 PM
Well I'm just happy I actually was more involved this time. It was fun.
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: UncleBob on October 22, 2009, 08:41:27 PM
UncleBob made a great save with choosing Vudu, but he didn't start contributing with the votes until the end. I also feel he missed two obvious protections with Khushrenada and GoldenPhoenix (and maybe me, but I'm probably not a good judge of that).

To be fair, I didn't really get into the team voting until I became part of a team by hooking up with vudu.  Very few people contacted me - the main one that did was thatguy.  I wasted my first night's save on him.  Khush wasn't an obvious save to me, since, if you check back, you'll see I actually voted to oust him on the first day.

I dropped the ball on GP and you.

GP, I just didn't have any reason to trust what she was saying was true and no one really seemed to come forward to collaborate her story.

You... well, there was a minor communications breakdown between vudu and I.  I thought he was going to tell everyone that he told the doctor to protect you, while I was protecting him to protect both of you from being hit (under the belief we had a mole).  Not only did we not have a mole, but vudu wasn't able to get the message out, so I protected him - I would have protected you, had I known otherwise - thus my kicking of the "doctor" the next day.  Changing your vote from me to DAaaMan made you a dangerous townie that showed you were working with others.  You needed to be killed. I should have been there. :(

Anywhoo - I voted for vudu and GP.  Without those two, the townies wouldn't have won.  In fact, I harassed Drew into letting us vote for two because I couldn't decide which of the two should win. ;)
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: Mop it up on October 22, 2009, 10:46:41 PM
Everybody unfairly picks on Khushrenada the first day, that's why I think it is worth it to protect him the first night and see what happens. If the Mafia tried to hit him then he'd be a guaranteed townie.

Vudu was a more important player so I can understand that. Too bad you couldn't put together that plan. I'm certainly not going to blame you for my demise because that would be stupid. I knew it was a risk to be making all of those tie-breaking votes but I had to do it because there was nobody else.

I voted for GoldenPhoenix and Vudu as well, though I disagree that the townies wouldn't have won without them. There were plenty of other players who were playing well.
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: Stratos on October 23, 2009, 03:13:49 AM
Honestly, I had three people in mind for MVP until tonight.

Vudu, Mop it up and myself.

After talking to Mop it up she convinced me to nominate GP because she relayed the information that bagged Nuclearspeed, the one we seemed most stuck about catching.

Since we could nominate two people I chose to also vote Mop it up because she was always a support to me throughout the game. She was right in her suspicions of Thatguy and how Maxi might have been tricked by him.

I don't think I deserve the MVP because I have way too much Townie blood on my hands. I ran with Stevey and very nearly drove UncleBob to the gallows. Also, the Pale vote was a huge mistake. Though I do give you half the blame for that, UB, you just acted way too suspicious. Plus remember I was the one that saved you from being voted out when Thatguy was pushing for your bandwagon and driving it to Dasmos instead. So I guess we're even there, but you still get a poison mushroom for not saving GP :P

Plus I just faded in and out of relevance too much during the games due to my crazy work hours and getting time zones horribly wrong.

So Vote for Mop it up and GP

Special nod to Vudu for putting GP's clues together.
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: that Baby guy on October 23, 2009, 03:53:09 AM
Stratos, whoa!

Now I see what's happened.  Things are much clearer.  The vote for UncleBob and/or Dasmos wasn't intended as bandwagon vote to kill!  It was in order to entice out information!  Or at least, this time that was the cover.  Typically, a roled player can save himself from the vote by just claiming he or she has a role.  A large-ish group of people can determine information by hurling enough votes at someone in the game and forcing townies to make specific admissions or forcing the mafia to wet themselves.  Dasmos then went and got sarcastic and cynical, and I let the confusion occur, but still, the goal was never to vote out anyone in particular.

In truth, the hope was to find the doctor, UncleBob.  Of course, it wasn't to kill the fella.  Honestly, I wouldn't have told oohhboy who he was until necessary, so I wouldn't blow my cover.  I'd just say who NOT to kill, to avoid doctor protections.  Or, you know, pull a vudu and have the doctor protect me and get hit, virtually solidifying my cover.  One of those.

What's funny, though, is that I use this scare tactic as a townie, or used to, a lot.  It's a great way to make Day 1 be very meaningful, if you've got the time and people who'll work with you.  The truth is, Dasmos wouldn't have died that day had he not been sarcastic.  I would've had a "hunch" or a "feeling" that he wasn't mafia, supported it by saying he really didn't seem to care about the votes, and then moved on to someone else, honestly, probably you, for the day's vote.  In the end, you take the blame for targeting someone, I say "If he is mafia, we'll need to reconsider Mop_it_up for what happened on Day 1," and it looks like I'm really trying and just mistaken.  Now, Dasmos owes me one, when he gets voted out/hit later, I look like a good guy in a sense, and things like that.

Just a little insight at how I had planned the events to happen, even though they didn't occur that way.  And honestly?  Had I not been mafia, I wouldn't have realized the sarcasm in Dasmos's message, in most cases.
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: Stratos on October 23, 2009, 04:09:58 AM
I think I took too literally what you said to me about 'either one working' or something to that effect. I assumed you were OK with switching so suddenly because either was a townie and so voting out either of them would have accomplished your goals.
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: that Baby guy on October 23, 2009, 04:26:53 AM
I was seriously beginning to wonder what I had done to be so detectable!  Now that I realize it was a misunderstanding, things make a whole lot more sense.  I'm glad you said all that.  I thought I'd lost my touch.

Well.  There you have it.  A mafia game changed in a small misunderstanding.  You all were lucky this time around, but next time, Gadget...

Mwuahahahahahaha.



MROOWOWOWRR
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: Mop it up on October 23, 2009, 07:05:23 PM
You're looking into things too much Thatguy. I thought you were Mafia simply because you were trying harder than when you were a townie.

"If he is mafia, we'll need to reconsider Mop_it_up for what happened on Day 1,"
Why would you have moved on to me? What did I do on day 1 besides not vote out someone who was obviously a townie?
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: that Baby guy on October 23, 2009, 07:08:33 PM
You're looking into things too much Thatguy. I thought you were Mafia simply because you were trying harder than when you were a townie.

"If he is mafia, we'll need to reconsider Mop_it_up for what happened on Day 1,"
Why would you have moved on to me? What did I do on day 1 besides not vote out someone who was obviously a townie?

I don't think you understand:  I could simply just suggest that the two of you set-up the Stratos vote-out scare thing that happened on Day One, that's all.  I'd be wrong, of course, and it wouldn't be a valid set-up from after that, so you'd be fine, it would just make it seem like I didn't know who was mafia and who wasn't, stuff like that.
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: Mop it up on October 23, 2009, 07:10:24 PM
Oh, I forgot about that incident. You like to create something out of nothing.
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: that Baby guy on October 23, 2009, 07:14:33 PM
Always.
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: oohhboy on October 24, 2009, 01:00:38 AM
Now that it's over, I can come out with some background info as to what happened till I died.

1. Kush - I am not sorry, I really did kill you for shits and giggles. There was no reason for you to die. Had I known Thatguy had set up an intel network that had included your name, I would have found someone more interesting to waste.

2. Maxi - More of the same, I had no idea that he was talking to Thatguy. I, not Maxi, but it only dawned who GP was during that night.

3 Plugabugz - Plain lucky hit. No intel.There was a vibe coming off him, he came off a little guarded for a townie. However, I should have hit GP first that night as I got some new intel, but I didn't act on it till the next day.

4. GP - The was a classic, under the table mexican stand off. I knew I slipped last nights vote. I had to go down fighting. I also knew the doctor was pretty dumb to the fact at this point, so I knew GP was a goner.

Had thatguy survived another day, I reckon we would have had every role uncovered by the next day. A mafia win would have been unstoppable  at that point. Unfortunately, my slip up had cost us the game. It put the mafia in check and a coin toss away from checkmate.

All, in all, this has been my best game so far. I have enjoyed how basic this game is. Bravo Drew.
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 24, 2009, 02:49:58 AM
I was talking about my hit and Khushrenada's hit to thatguy on Day 7. I figured if you knew that thatguy had been talking with me and Khushrenada we wouldn't be hit. I probably would have caught on on day 3 so maybe it was the best choice on your part to hit me.
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: Plugabugz on October 24, 2009, 07:09:40 AM
3 Plugabugz - Plain lucky hit. No intel.There was a vibe coming off him, he came off a little guarded for a townie. However, I should have hit GP first that night as I got some new intel, but I didn't act on it till the next day.


So you ruined my plan. Monday and Tuesday i had pretty bad headaches and stopped in for a brief stint to answer PM's. Maxi and thatguy PM'ed me and i was talking to them, and before i could make headway (i only had the better part of an hour on each day) i got killed off.
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: NWR_DrewMG on October 24, 2009, 12:48:32 PM
Just a few more hours until the poll closes.
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 24, 2009, 02:01:27 PM
1 hour and a few mins till poll closes.
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: NWR_DrewMG on October 24, 2009, 03:19:35 PM
Congrats to GP on her MVP win! 
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: UncleBob on October 25, 2009, 02:52:23 AM
I can't believe I got three votes.  Neat.

Vudu only got four?  Wow.  Would have thought more.

NuclearSpeed didn't get any?  I mean, granted, he lived so long because of an oversight, but he did manage not to give himself away for awhile.

GP Won!  Yay!  It had to be her or vudu.  Her contribution is what won the game for the townies as quick as it did.

Khush was the only townie to vote for a mafia member 100% of his votes.  Of course, he died on the first day, so I suppose that's a hallow victory...
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: oohhboy on October 25, 2009, 05:32:11 AM
Khush was the only townie to vote for a mafia member 100% of his votes.  Of course, he died on the first day, so I suppose that's a hallow victory...

Hehe, nice and hollow.

Poor Stevey getting wasted by the townies. I had considered toasting him, but I figured from his demeanor that he had no powers and his erratic behavior worked in mafia favor.
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: vudu on October 25, 2009, 11:33:09 AM
GP Won!  Yay!  It had to be her or vudu.  Her contribution is what won the game for the townies as quick as it did.

I really don't want to sound like a poor sport, but I'm still in the dark about what GP's contribution was.  Everyone she investigated died immediately after except for NuclearSpeed and me.  We voted out 4 mafia members in 5 days and none of them were the result of GP's investigations.  If anything, her investigation of NuclearSpeed slowed down us finding him due to my oversight; although even then it wasn't sure that he was mafia--just a good guess.
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: Stogi on October 25, 2009, 04:14:28 PM
TWO VOTES! **** YES!
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: Mop it up on October 25, 2009, 05:45:37 PM
Congratulations GoldenPhoenix, you've earned it!
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: stevey on October 25, 2009, 06:18:28 PM
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1. Kush - I am not sorry, I really did kill you for shits and giggles. There was no reason for you to die. Had I known Thatguy had set up an intel network that had included your name, I would have found someone more interesting to waste.

2. Maxi - More of the same, I had no idea that he was talking to Thatguy. I, not Maxi, but it only dawned who GP was during that night.

3 Plugabugz - Plain lucky hit. No intel.There was a vibe coming off him, he came off a little guarded for a townie. However, I should have hit GP first that night as I got some new intel, but I didn't act on it till the next day.

So there was no planing or thought behind any of your hits...

Oh well, at lease you did take out my least favorite player....
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: oohhboy on October 26, 2009, 10:39:43 AM
There was planning. It was just that during the first couple of days I would nail anybody who would look a little out of line or even remotely suspected of having a role or influence. I knew who the power players were, but I knew hitting them now would be pointless and in fact a hinderance since the probability of them picking any mafia is terribly low. Hence, I would sit back and let them bandwagon a bunch of their own townies to death.

I knew I wasn't good enough to play the intel games, at least directly, however I did have a spy master on hand who day after day with flourish me with more and more intel. Me and him had intentionally played a game where information was pretty much one way. By not telling him who I was killing for the night, he and I had a measure plausible  deniability. However, there was one oversight to the plan, he didn't tell me who he was running, and I failed to ask. That resulted in those early kills that not only wasted non role townies, but the intel network he was setting up! Never the less, he had made amazing head way, and I really do believe that another day would have resulted in the mafia finding everyone.

Everything had worked until that bandwagon. I am not sure whether he had slipped up somewhere, but from the looks of it the townies got lucky. I had that lock on GP and I knew the doc wasn't in the know. I knew this a whole game day ahead of time, but not in time for day 3.

The fact is that your first couple or so hits are going to be random and are only there to thin out the herd and/or satisfy your blood lust. A hit not made it another day the townies have to hunt and another day that the mafia has to lose.
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: Stogi on October 26, 2009, 06:52:55 PM
There was planning. It was just that during the first couple of days I would nail anybody who would look a little out of line or even remotely suspected of having a role or influence. I knew who the power players were, but I knew hitting them now would be pointless and in fact a hinderance since the probability of them picking any mafia is terribly low. Hence, I would sit back and let them bandwagon a bunch of their own townies to death.

I knew I wasn't good enough to play the intel games, at least directly, however I did have a spy master on hand who day after day with flourish me with more and more intel. Me and him had intentionally played a game where information was pretty much one way. By not telling him who I was killing for the night, he and I had a measure plausible  deniability. However, there was one oversight to the plan, he didn't tell me who he was running, and I failed to ask. That resulted in those early kills that not only wasted non role townies, but the intel network he was setting up! Never the less, he had made amazing head way, and I really do believe that another day would have resulted in the mafia finding everyone.

Everything had worked until that bandwagon. I am not sure whether he had slipped up somewhere, but from the looks of it the townies got lucky. I had that lock on GP and I knew the doc wasn't in the know. I knew this a whole game day ahead of time, but not in time for day 3.

The fact is that your first couple or so hits are going to be random and are only there to thin out the herd and/or satisfy your blood lust. A hit not made it another day the townies have to hunt and another day that the mafia has to lose.

*Ahem* (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qiqzYOpr_o)
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: oohhboy on October 27, 2009, 05:13:13 AM
Look, if you don't appreciate the behind the scene look at the other side to see what work and didn't work, no problem.

But don't be dickheads about it.
Title: Re: Pong Mafia MVP vote
Post by: decoyman on October 27, 2009, 08:18:17 AM
I think my most memorable "best plans gone awry" moment happened in... oh I don't know which one, but I was the mafia godfather. I'd infiltrated the townie alliance because I was uninvestigatable, and had pretty much all the townies' trust.

Then the killer killed me one night.

The worst part? He said he'd chosen me randomly – no motive or suspicions or strategy... just stupid luck. Doh! :P