MTV Multiplayer: You’ve said in the past that you don’t think id titles will be on the Wii. Is that still the case?
Carmack: Interestingly, I actually spend far more time playing Wii with my four year-old boy than I do with any other game console. So I’m definitely sympathetic to the platform. But “Rage” is not a viable option on the Wii because of the technology. We’ve been pitched and talked about a project to do a title that would fit well on the Wii, and it’s actually related to an iPhone title that we’re doing. But that’s still kind of up in the air as to what other developer we would partner with on there. I’d like to do something there, because I love a lot of what Nintendo has done with the Wii and the DS, but it’s just out of sync with the developments that are currently going on at id.
MTV Multiplayer: Do you feel you’d have to create a new IP? Or at least a new game from the ground up for the Wii?
Carmack: Yeah, it would have to be a completely different game. We would use one of our existing IPs where we have a little bit of leverage. It’s not something that really any of our titles, that are under development currently would be appropriate for.
[..]
MTV Multiplayer: So that one particular iphone title you mentioned that you’re having trouble with — is that the one that will potentially be a Wii title?
Carmack: Yes, it could possibly lead into it. Not directly from that, but a very similar concept for something.
And I know that’s very cryptic. [laughs] But we haven’t made an official announcements about it because we’ve had some difficulties during the development. And we don’t want to announce something and then retract it. We want to make sure it turns out good before we actually talk about it.
[..]
MTV Multiplayer: And if there’s a Wii title, would you see yourself being heavily involved in that?
Carmack: There’s an interesting bit of technology — the idea is that we would be setting up the game in such a way that we would deal with some of the “Rage” content pipeline for the Wii. While we can’t do a freeform game like that, we could do a limited-scope game in a particular way so there would be a core bit of technology to develop there that would let it do something really visually stunning in a more limited game framework. And that would be the work that I would set off at the beginning of that. But that’s something we’ve had brief discussions with publishers [about]. At this point, we’re making sure that the core gameplay actually works out well first before inking anything.
I recall he said he liked the Wii but they were already committed to the HD platforms two years ago, seems they're finally getting around to trying their hand on the Wii.
cue the people interpreting "While we can’t do a freeform game like that, we could do a limited-scope game in a particular way" as "rail shooter"
Title: Re: id Software "considering" Wii game
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 25, 2009, 02:22:03 PM
Yeah, quit dancing around the idea and just show a fucking trailer already. If the results are like Dead Rising, don't bother with the trailers at all, Mr. Carmackeral.
Title: Re: id Software "considering" Wii game
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on February 25, 2009, 02:33:54 PM
Well the good thing about Carmack is that he usually doesn't care about the horsepower of the console/device. I'm sure ID could do a pretty decent FPS on Wii considering that the pointer is similar to a mouse.
Title: Re: id Software "considering" Wii game
Post by: Stogi on February 25, 2009, 03:03:27 PM
What has ID made recently that has been good?
This isn't sarcasm.
That wasn't sarcasm either.
Neither was that.
or that.
Title: Re: id Software "considering" Wii game
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on February 25, 2009, 03:48:57 PM
Rage is supposed to be really good, although the 360 version will be gimped since the game will need to be on 3 DVDs but MS royalty rate increases if there are multiple discs so they had to stick with 2 discs. The PS3 version will be on 1 blu-ray and ID is thinking about having a DVD and a Bluray PC version.
Title: Re: id Software "considering" Wii game
Post by: Stogi on February 25, 2009, 03:52:59 PM
Well other than rage? (A game that has yet to come out)
What I'm asking is, would we really like there support?
Title: Re: id Software "considering" Wii game
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 25, 2009, 04:05:02 PM
We would, if it's not another bandwagon product and the technology can be shared with other developers (assuming the product is actually decent).
Title: Re: id Software "considering" Wii game
Post by: bustin98 on February 25, 2009, 04:06:19 PM
I'd like to see Quake Arena on the DS. Well, I'd like to see Quake Arena on Wii as well but I believe Carmack has already commented on Arean being on the DS before.
Yes, I like twitch FPS's with rocket launchers and rail guns. Call me old fashioned.
Title: Re: id Software "considering" Wii game
Post by: Pale on February 25, 2009, 04:07:43 PM
Did he just elude to bringing an iphone game to Wii? I think that's what he just did.
Title: Re: id Software "considering" Wii game
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on February 25, 2009, 04:09:07 PM
Well other than rage? (A game that has yet to come out)
What I'm asking is, would we really like there support?
If nothing else, we could count on id to develop a good engine for the Wii and license it to others. But seriously, what's with this hoity-toity crap? Even if I agreed in principle, we are so far beyond the point of trying to keep the riffraff out it's not even funny.
Title: Re: id Software "considering" Wii game
Post by: Stogi on February 25, 2009, 04:15:34 PM
If your talking about Carmack i.e. not me, then I completely agree. What's wrong with coming out and saying that you would or wouldn't like to develop for the Wii?
That's not even business related....anyone can answer that without having to look over their shoulder.
Title: Re: id Software "considering" Wii game
Post by: vudu on February 25, 2009, 04:17:03 PM
I'm in the minority here, but I really enjoyed Doom 3. Sure, it was primitive by gameplay standards, but the weapons felt nice and the updated Pinky was scary as Hell.
Title: Re: id Software "considering" Wii game
Post by: Stogi on February 25, 2009, 04:19:32 PM
Where they the ones to make Hexen?
Title: Re: id Software "considering" Wii game
Post by: Ian Sane on February 25, 2009, 04:45:17 PM
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Did he just elude to bringing an iphone game to Wii? I think that's what he just did.
That's what I immediately picked up on.
Even if id made a Wii game I have no optimism because of the way he talks down about the Wii. Like, well, EVERY developer he doesn't treat the Wii as a serious gaming platform.
Aside from the iPhone thing he also mentions his play time with the Wii in relation to playing with his 4 year old son. He doesn't just say he's playing Wii but feels the need to specify that he's doing so with a little kid. He mentions "limited-scope game" and "limited game framework" in the same sentence.
What I get out of this? The Wii is great family console that little kids can play with. We're thinking of porting or spining off a fucking iPhone game to it because it's obviously too limited to handle something, you know, good.
Nintendo has made buttloads of cash with the Wii but because they went with glorified last gen hardware no developers want to design anything for it and seem to only do so to make some easy dough so they can fund the games they truly want to make on other platforms. I wonder if Nintendo will take this into account when they design their next console. If they skimp on the hardware next time they'll just be the shovelware console again. But since the Wii is financially a huge success I question if Nintendo even cares.
Title: Re: id Software "considering" Wii game
Post by: vudu on February 25, 2009, 04:52:47 PM
We’ve been pitched and talked about a project to do a title that would fit well on the Wii, and it’s actually related to an iPhone title that we’re doing.
Well, let's see what iPhone games id is working on.
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John Carmack, technical director and cofounder of Id software has revealed at QuakeCon 2008 that ID Software is apparently working on a couple of iPhone projects. The first game Doom2 is supposedly an extension of Id’s mobile stuff and the second game Wolfenstein RPGs will be a more unexpected and exciting “graphical tour de force.”
Woo-hoo! A port of a 15 year old game and an RPG from a company that isn't exactly known for making quality RPGS (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ds/orcsandelves?q=orcs%20&%20elves).
Title: Re: id Software "considering" Wii game
Post by: Stogi on February 25, 2009, 04:54:34 PM
I don't Nintendo cares too much considering ID software really isn't that cool. Plus any "engine" they make will probably be trumped by what Factor 5 is currently working on. (even if they are in financial trouble)
Title: Re: id Software "considering" Wii game
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 25, 2009, 04:57:19 PM
ON RAILS DOOM!
EPIC WIN! :D
Title: Re: id Software "considering" Wii game
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on February 25, 2009, 05:48:38 PM
I don't Nintendo cares too much considering ID software really isn't that cool. Plus any "engine" they make will probably be trumped by what Factor 5 is currently working on. (even if they are in financial trouble)
That's what I was talking about. The Wii has plenty of absolutely crappy games, and you're acting like id isn't good enough for us. If you want to vote someone off the island, start with someone like Data Design.
Title: Re: id Software "considering" Wii game
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 25, 2009, 05:59:23 PM
Wolfenstein: The Ride
Title: Re: id Software "considering" Wii game
Post by: Morari on February 25, 2009, 07:58:39 PM
I don't Nintendo cares too much considering ID software really isn't that cool. Plus any "engine" they make will probably be trumped by what Factor 5 is currently working on. (even if they are in financial trouble)
Id has been one of the best development studios in the industry for years. Aside from tarnishing their image a bit with Doom III, they've not made a bad game and tend to instead air on the side of greatness. Go back and take a look at the original Quake and tell me that Carmack can't make amazing use of limited system resources. Id would be the perfect developer to really push the Wii if they wanted to. Of course the trouble is that Id has never taken consoles particularly seriously (and why should they?), as their outsourced ports will show.
Title: Re: id Software "considering" Wii game
Post by: jakeOSX on February 25, 2009, 08:37:26 PM
ok, i'll say it.
give me quake one and two for the wii. hell, don't even up the graphics, just make them online and compatible with PC's.
i'd pay $50, day one. you'd have to push me out of line and even then i'd smack your bratty nine year old around and say things like "you weren't even ALIVE when i kicked the crap of of this game"
so there.
Title: Re: id Software "considering" Wii game
Post by: Adrock on February 25, 2009, 09:05:45 PM
It's too easy to make a Doom on-rails shooter joke here. I'm sure, it's been made already.
The iPhone to Wii thing is certainly eye-catching. Not surprised. Still, John "Graphics Turbo Whore" Carmack actually considering any Wii project is actually somewhat interesting.
In any case, not sure it matters to me either way. id Software is known for FPS. Me + FPS = headaches, suck at them anyway etc.
Title: Re: id Software "considering" Wii game
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 25, 2009, 10:24:24 PM
give me quake one and two for the wii. hell, don't even up the graphics, just make them online and compatible with PC's.
i'd pay $50, day one. you'd have to push me out of line and even then i'd smack your bratty nine year old around and say things like "you weren't even ALIVE when i kicked the crap of of this game"
There's a homebrew port of Quake for the Wii AFAIK.
Title: Re: id Software "considering" Wii game
Post by: NWR_Lindy on February 28, 2009, 04:21:13 AM
www.quakelive.com
Enjoy.
And I couldn't care less about id's upcoming Wii on-rails shooter.
Title: Re: id Software "considering" Wii game
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 28, 2009, 05:26:21 AM
Ehhe, nothing from ID excites me anymore. Generic and ID seem to go hand in hand. When I can say with a straight face that Resistance 1 or 2 have more innovation then any ID game in the several years, that tells you something.
Title: Re: id Software "considering" Wii game
Post by: Stratos on February 28, 2009, 07:51:57 AM
I don't Nintendo cares too much considering ID software really isn't that cool. Plus any "engine" they make will probably be trumped by what Factor 5 is currently working on. (even if they are in financial trouble)
Factor 5 is basically dead. IGN has called their offices and emailed them and gotten no response since they fell of the map. Emails were bounced back as well. Don't count on them for anything.
I'm interested in what he has in mind. I just hope he tries to maximize the systems capabilities.
If he's been playing Wii a lot it means he's enjoying it. If he's enjoying it then he is probably going to make something he thinks he would enjoy playing. While true that this could lead to a Boom Blox like party game, it could also be something else, something more. It could also be something less as I saw all of the things mentioned in the interview that Ian mentioned. As it seems to be in a lot of instances lately: Time only knows. I hope time will tell, soon.
Title: Re: id Software "considering" Wii game
Post by: KDR_11k on February 28, 2009, 09:28:07 AM
Would be funny if we'd see the (proper) revival of Commander Keen, eh?
Title: Re: id Software "considering" Wii game
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on February 28, 2009, 12:09:14 PM
Would be funny if we'd see the (proper) revival of Commander Keen, eh?
Can we? I loved those games. I remember reading an article a number of years ago about the series where the interviewed the creator and he said he had given thought to it, but wanted to come up with a way that Keen could work in 3-D without coming off poorly.
It would be nice to see a new one on Wii or DS or even a remake on WiiWare.
Title: Re: id Software "considering" Wii game
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on February 28, 2009, 09:47:51 PM
I really hope there's a new Commander Keen and Jazz Jackrabbit actually scratch the Jazz Jackrabbit idea since Epic will turn it into some generic monstrosity powered by the Unreal Engine 3.
Title: Re: id Software "considering" Wii game
Post by: KDR_11k on March 01, 2009, 03:33:11 AM
They already made an attempt at Jazz 3D years ago, it failed so they canned the game. Speaking of Unreal Engine 3, there's a user-made playermodel of Jaz Jackrabbit for UT3 except he's shaped like an American football player.
Title: Re: id Software "considering" Wii game
Post by: Stratos on March 03, 2009, 07:05:15 AM
I loved Jazz Jackrabbit as well back in the day. They could always go the 2.5D route or just make a really nice 2-D sprite based game.
