Quote We had a few too many titles to show off this year at E3, so we decided to hold that one back. I think it will be another big step forward in terms of Touch Generations style games for Wii, so you'll just have to wait until we can talk about it.
=D awesome!
Title: RE: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Stogi on July 20, 2007, 04:35:54 AM
It's always good to hear more confirmation about a game that hasn't been talked about in over a year, though I wasn't really worried about. I'm more saddened by its absence last week. In conjunction with Wii Fit, that would have made my E3 a hell of a lot better.
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Post by: couchmonkey on July 20, 2007, 05:54:31 AM
I'm a little concerned. I'm sure Wii Music will come and I'm sure it will be good, but I wonder if Nintendo is allowing too much time to pass before releasing more disruptive software? The only 100% disruptive product on the system now is WiiSports. Mario Party 8, Wario Ware, Cooking Mama and Rayman RR are filling in the gaps reasonably well, but I think there's a danger of new customers losing interest before anyone gets around to providing more software for them.
Then again, maybe I'm underestimating the power of some of these other games.
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Post by: Kairon on July 20, 2007, 10:08:09 AM
While I'm saddened to hear that Wii Music is a next-year affair, as a Nintendo fan I know that it just gives them more time to get it right.
Though it IS interesting that Nintendo isn't pumping the Wii as full or as quickly with non-game software as the DS... or maybe they will, because didn't it take them some time to start hitting the DS with additional non-game stuff after Brain Age and its sequel?
Title: RE: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 20, 2007, 10:24:34 AM
I thought WiiMusic was just going to be a cute, little thing to tide people over during a drought period, but Miyamoto makes it sound like it'll be pretty ground-breaking...I'm looking forward to it...
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Post by: Mashiro on July 24, 2007, 03:03:13 PM
Sorry been on a CT kick this past week and found this and instantly thought of Wii Music. Beautifully played isn't it?
Edit: i didn't mean to post anything
Title: RE:Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Crimm on July 25, 2007, 07:33:51 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Bill Aurion I thought WiiMusic was just going to be a cute, little thing to tide people over during a drought period, but Miyamoto makes it sound like it'll be pretty ground-breaking...I'm looking forward to it...
Nintendo talk. Remember, all us serious online gamers are busy playing Pokemon Battle Revolution.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Stogi on June 10, 2008, 03:58:12 AM
It's always good to hear more confirmation about a game that hasn't been talked about in over a year, though I wasn't really worried about. I'm more saddened by its absence last week. In conjunction with Wii Fit, that would have made my E3 a hell of a lot better.
:( still no word.
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Post by: Morari on June 10, 2008, 12:34:20 PM
What about Wii Chess? When does American get that?
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Post by: Nick DiMola on June 10, 2008, 12:41:27 PM
It's always good to hear more confirmation about a game that hasn't been talked about in over a year, though I wasn't really worried about. I'm more saddened by its absence last week. In conjunction with Wii Fit, that would have made my E3 a hell of a lot better.
:( still no word.
I predict this will resurface at E3, especially with Wii Fit releasing and its overwhelming success.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Ian Sane on June 10, 2008, 07:12:42 PM
I think now that we live in a world where Rock Band exists, Wii Music looks obsolete. The remote is used to simulate instruments. Well I found that pretty neato when the Wii was first revealed but pretending my remote is an instrument isn't as cool as using a controller that looks like a guitar or plays like a pair of drums.
These days it seems everyone I meet knows two games: Wii Sports and Rock Band or Guitar Hero. The mainstream audience that Nintendo would likely target with Wii Music already is playing the crap out of a pretty cool music game and frankly I don't think tapping two remotes to the beat like I'm playing invisible drums with TV remotes even compares to playing on a drum controller.
The style of music will also play a big part. Guitar Hero and Rock Band have cool rock music. What will Wii Music have? Conducting an orchestra playing classical music is, well, pretty lame compared to playing rock n roll.
Maybe that's why Wii Music appears to be in development hell. Perhaps Nintendo realizes that an orchestra conducting game can't compete with Rock Band so they're rethinking it. Though even then I think a good music game is going to need some sort of cool custom controller to get anywhere. Playing "make believe" with a remote just doesn't cut it.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 10, 2008, 07:21:19 PM
A lot of the charm surrounding Wii Music is that we'll be playing a large variety of Nintendo themes and not crappy licensed music... =)
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Post by: LuigiHann on June 11, 2008, 12:55:38 AM
I don't think Wii Music will be the same type of game as Rock Band, really. It'll certainly be different enough for some people to buy both, especially when Wii Music won't require an expensive peripheral.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: ShyGuy on June 11, 2008, 01:18:07 AM
Always, ALWAYS bet on Miyamoto. Have Wii Sports and Wii Fit taught us nothing about taking a boring sounding concept and making it a world wide hit?
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Mario on June 11, 2008, 12:45:44 PM
I think the difference between Wii Music and crap like Rock Band is that Wii Music wont merely be a rhythm game wankathon.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Ian Sane on June 11, 2008, 01:12:36 PM
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A lot of the charm surrounding Wii Music is that we'll be playing a large variety of Nintendo themes and not crappy licensed music... =)
Rock Band and Guitar Hero don't really have crappy licensed music though. Unlike something like DDR they actually have artists and songs that people have heard of before. I love Nintendo themes but for the mainstream that doesn't matter. In comparison those other games have songs that you actually hear on the radio, both on current and classic rock stations.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on June 11, 2008, 01:51:26 PM
Also, if Nintendo can create a mode where you actually create music with the Wii remotes and not just play songs that would be incredible.
And Ian Sane: I agree that it may not be as advanced...but not everyone can afford a $200.00 for 4 people to play...yet everyone can afford to get Wii Play and invite people over all with Wiimotes and such, and Play with 4 players.
The Nintendo music will also be cool. I am hoping Nintendo incorporates all the music from Brawl into the Wii Play...that would be amazing.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Ian Sane on June 11, 2008, 03:25:28 PM
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Also, if Nintendo can create a mode where you actually create music with the Wii remotes and not just play songs that would be incredible.
This would be killer feature. It would completely change the game from being a poor man's Rock Band to something really significant. I would buy it JUST to create music.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Kairon on June 11, 2008, 03:28:14 PM
Actually, haven't there been rumblings that Wii Play is more about "jamming" than rhythm gaming? More about riffing like Miyamoto likes to do on his Banjo? He's a fan of bluegrass right?
But for every Wii Sports there's a Wii Play... eeehhhhh....
But seriously, why the DDR hate people? How else can I get my J-pop and euro bubblegum synth beat dance pop fix?
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 11, 2008, 03:28:26 PM
Well they've already confirmed that song play will have a lot of improvisation rather than just mashing the right button at the right time...That's already a jump over current yawn-worthy music games...
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 11, 2008, 03:34:23 PM
That might be the key. Having some freedom to improvise the song, including recording/replays and sharing the works.
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Post by: bosshogx on June 11, 2008, 03:43:21 PM
Creating music for a future Wii Music title and a potential USB hard drive? Hmmm...
Makes me wonder if they are planning on packaging them together. It makes sense. Almost all of Nintendo's big games have included something:
Wii + Wii Sports Wii Play + Controller Link's Crossbow Training + Zapper Mario Kart + Wii Wheel Wii Fit + Balance Board Wii Music + USB Hard drive???
It could happen, as long as the price was right. Bundling would be the way to go with it though, as selling it alone probably won't do to well. If they can somehow get the price to a magical point, say $59.99ish, then they might make it work. We'll see....
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Post by: DAaaMan64 on June 11, 2008, 03:44:59 PM
Actually, haven't there been rumblings that Wii Play is more about "jamming" than rhythm gaming? More about riffing like Miyamoto likes to do on his Banjo? He's a fan of bluegrass right?
But for every Wii Sports there's a Wii Play... eeehhhhh....
But seriously, why the DDR hate people? How else can I get my J-pop and euro bubblegum synth beat dance pop fix?
I agree with Kairon, *shudders*, Hottest Party sucks cause the techno version of our american music sucks! And thats all Hottest Party has.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: stevey on June 11, 2008, 03:59:58 PM
The style of music will also play a big part. Guitar Hero and Rock Band have cool rock music. What will Wii Music have? Conducting an orchestra playing classical music is, well, pretty lame compared to playing rock n roll.
Maybe that's why Wii Music appears to be in development hell. Perhaps Nintendo realizes that an orchestra conducting game can't compete with Rock Band so they're rethinking it. Though even then I think a good music game is going to need some sort of cool custom controller to get anywhere. Playing "make believe" with a remote just doesn't cut it.
<spoiler>Not everyone like rock music, like non-gamers, plus Orchestra Music is Awsome! (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3890842110820589203&q=zelda&total=30&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=7) And there nothing stopping the game from being able to conduct other type of music like jazz/bluegrass (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4275555552047254064&q=mario+zelda&ei=py5QSOqIKKWk-QGFrKHKDA) with the band while still using Nintendo owned music.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Ian Sane on June 11, 2008, 04:35:01 PM
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Not everyone like rock music, like non-gamers
Are you suggesting that non-gamers don't like rock music. I would seriously beg to differ. I figure that is easily the most universal genre of music to go with. If it was all current stuff then yeah, it would be limited, but with a good mix of new stuff and classics it has very universal appeal with people of all ages. Okay maybe really old geezers don't like rock music but compared to classical music it's no contest. I like classical music a fair bit but it's niche. It's inoffensive in that everyone CAN like it or at least tolerate it. But kids and teenagers wouldn't be interested and I think most people if given the choice between rock or classical would pick rock. Classical music is somewhat elitist. It's of a high culture ie: not mainstream, not casual, not non-gamer. Nintendo typically thinks that being non-offensive is the same as having mass appeal but it isn't. That's why they're so often associated as being for kids.
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Actually, haven't there been rumblings that Wii Play is more about "jamming" than rhythm gaming?
That's pretty cool. Well I think it is as a musician. Though I worry that Nintendo shys a little too much from the competitive nature of games. A "jamming" game sounds so them. Guitar Hero is a challenge and you can like suck and lose. The game requires you to be good at it. Nintendo's attitude with non-games is a little more politically correct. Like having goals and objectives that can be won or lost make people feel bad about themselves. It's the "everyone's special" routine. I think Nintendo could make a good rhythm game but focusing on jamming is sort of a cop out. It's funny that they really challenged videogames by making incredibly safe games. They shouldn't be so afraid of scaring the casuals.
Rock Band attracts the same audience but does so in a way that's actually cool, you know? Wii Sports and Wii Fit in comparison are the videogame equivalent of easy listening. Nintendo is popular but they sure as hell ain't cool.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 11, 2008, 04:41:58 PM
Rock Band is not cool...
Guitar Hero is not cool...
You are part of the problem... =|
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 11, 2008, 05:04:37 PM
If I have to not like Guitar Hero to not be part of the problem then I'm pro-problem. I still want Wii Music, though.
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Post by: DAaaMan64 on June 11, 2008, 05:14:49 PM
If I have to not like Guitar Hero to not be part of the problem then I'm pro-problem.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 11, 2008, 05:50:05 PM
I don't care if you actually enjoy the game, but to think that either is any "cooler" than DDR (which isn't) is naive...
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Post by: Ghisy on June 11, 2008, 05:51:06 PM
I'm really interested in Wii Music and I'm very curious to know what Miyamoto has up his sleeve!
Speaking of GH, I might pick up GH3 when I'm back to the US on vacation. Do you guys know if all the copies that are in stores right now are the "fixed" ones?
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Ian Sane on June 11, 2008, 06:57:06 PM
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I don't care if you actually enjoy the game, but to think that either is any "cooler" than DDR (which isn't) is naive...
I actually like DDR more but Rock Band is very much cool in the same way GTA and Halo are. They're hugely popular games that insecure young males that feel that games have to be mature and such aren't embarassed to play. Only Rock Band has the advantage that everyone plays it, not just core gamers.
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Post by: Morari on June 11, 2008, 07:09:32 PM
I don't care if you actually enjoy the game, but to think that either is any "cooler" than DDR (which isn't) is naive...
Oh, okay. I do think Guitar Hero and Rock Band are cooler because their track lists have what is generally considered cooler music, but the game is still about playing a fake musical instrument and that's not very cool.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: EasyCure on June 12, 2008, 12:27:21 PM
I don't care if you actually enjoy the game, but to think that either is any "cooler" than DDR (which isn't) is naive...
I actually like DDR more but Rock Band is very much cool in the same way GTA and Halo are. They're hugely popular games that insecure young males that feel that games have to be mature and such aren't embarassed to play. Only Rock Band has the advantage that everyone plays it, not just core gamers.
I felt embarrassing just purchasing GH3. If i had a credit card i would of bought it online and had it shipped (despite how i feel about buying things online) because i felt like a dork taking it up to the register.
I'm usually not so insecure about myself but when i go to a best buy and see a ton of teens in their different groups playing the 5 GH/RB stations they have set up now (thats right, 5. not even near the normal video game section, have them set up on huge flat screens. The 6th set up is for a ONE player Brawl game.. how sad?) and how into it they get, i just can't help but feel embarrassed that i also enjoy the game. I felt like the cashier thought to herself "oh god, its one of THOSE guys" when i bought the stupid thing.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 12, 2008, 12:32:06 PM
"serious gamers" shouldn't feel that way.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: animecyberrat on June 12, 2008, 12:41:06 PM
I had the same problem buying Super Paper Mario, I solved the insecurity issue by taking my nephew with me to the game store. Now I can buy any game I want without worrying about people looking at me funny. (stop judging me) Although that doesn't help the Wii is for little kids perception...
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 12, 2008, 12:50:49 PM
You people are embarrassed to buy certain games because it is too kiddie or dorkie?
That is sad.
I can understand people not wanting to buy feminine products for your wifes or girlfriends. I can even understand an embarrassment about buying condoms.
Hell, I can even understand an embarrassment about buying adult rated games, maginzines or whatnot.
I can't understand somebody having that problem about Super Paper Mario, or Mario DDR or something. Its a freaking game...and if you enjoy the game play it. Image is not everything.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 12, 2008, 12:54:32 PM
*Bought a Playboy video at a music/video store. VHS, baby.
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 12, 2008, 01:24:49 PM
I remember I was looking for Touch Detective for the DS, I went into a Gamestop with a buddy of mine and was perusing through their DS titles. My buddy decides to help and loudly asks the sales clerk if they have a DS game called Touch Me. The Clerks replies "Touch Me?" "Yeah, my friend is looking for the game called Touch Me."
That was a little embarrassing.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Stogi on June 12, 2008, 02:12:33 PM
I'm never embarrassed because I'm da coolest.
Anyway, GH and Rockband, though I don't like them, are not as bad as ddr. At least GH and Rockband are a little more similar, plus the music is much better.
What I want from WiiMusic is freedom; freedom to do and record what ever I please.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Kairon on June 12, 2008, 06:38:29 PM
You people are embarrassed to buy certain games because it is too kiddie or dorkie?
That is sad.
I can understand people not wanting to buy feminine products for your wifes or girlfriends. I can even understand an embarrassment about buying condoms.
Hell, I can even understand an embarrassment about buying adult rated games, maginzines or whatnot.
I can't understand somebody having that problem about Super Paper Mario, or Mario DDR or something. Its a freaking game...and if you enjoy the game play it. Image is not everything.
i only felt slightly embarrased but it didnt stop me from buying it. my girlfriend made jokes that i'm secretely one of those guys that go to best buy just to play GH and RB, i think thats where some of the insecurity comes from.
oh and i've never been embarrassed to buy condoms cuz i always buy the huge box. I walk right up to the counter with a big smile on my face cuz i know the only reason im buying them is because the last box of 50+/100+ condoms went empty :D that or cuz i'll need them very VERY soon
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Post by: LuigiHann on June 12, 2008, 10:52:02 PM
I'd like if it has a Mario Paint style music editor. Or hell, just port the exact music editor from Mario Paint.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Maverick on June 15, 2008, 04:20:45 PM
oh and i've never been embarrassed to buy condoms cuz i always buy the huge box. I walk right up to the counter with a big smile on my face cuz i know the only reason im buying them is because the last box of 50+/100+ condoms went empty :D that or cuz i'll need them very VERY soon
Condoms are for losers. There I said it.
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Post by: Mario on June 15, 2008, 08:43:42 PM
Anyway, GH and Rockband, though I don't like them, are not as bad as ddr. At least GH and Rockband are a little more similar, plus the music is much better.
What I want from WiiMusic is freedom; freedom to do and record what ever I please.
DDR is way better, it actually has benefits.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Stogi on June 16, 2008, 01:34:37 AM
oh and i've never been embarrassed to buy condoms cuz i always buy the huge box. I walk right up to the counter with a big smile on my face cuz i know the only reason im buying them is because the last box of 50+/100+ condoms went empty :D that or cuz i'll need them very VERY soon
Condoms are for losers. There I said it.
Indeed. *smokes on pipe*
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Post by: EasyCure on June 16, 2008, 11:32:57 AM
oh and i've never been embarrassed to buy condoms cuz i always buy the huge box. I walk right up to the counter with a big smile on my face cuz i know the only reason im buying them is because the last box of 50+/100+ condoms went empty :D that or cuz i'll need them very VERY soon
Condoms are for losers. There I said it.
Indeed. *smokes on meat-pipe*
maybe in your lifestyle they are ;)
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on August 30, 2008, 09:53:46 PM
Jeremy Parish a former Wii Music hater turned to a Wii Music lover (http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3169686&p=44)
Here is what won him over:
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But Nintendo has a slightly more fleshed-out version of the game on display this weekend at Penny Arcade Expo, and despite this version sporting only a few modest tweaks, I think it has won me over. The difference: A sense of purpose. While the game's primary mode remains the same -- a group of faux musicians jamming together and playing individual notes or beats of a predefined music track -- the single-player mode now has added depth. Rather than simply pantomiming music with a phantom backing band, you can record their own personal renditions of each tune's six tracks, including melody, harmony, rhythm and percussion. You can save performances, then splice them into the standard rhythm tracks, allowing you to effectively create a complete custom performance of each track. This also works for group performances, although it has more impact with a single performer.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 30, 2008, 09:58:47 PM
I knew that Nintendo wasn't stupid enough to release a game that was just what we saw at E3.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: DAaaMan64 on August 31, 2008, 12:29:50 AM
Sorry, after playing it at PAX, the game still blows.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on August 31, 2008, 12:51:46 AM
Okay then prove the reason of why it sucks.
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Post by: DAaaMan64 on August 31, 2008, 01:35:38 AM
I got bored 25 seconds into playing. Seriously, I watched for about 10 and was like hmm this could be okay actually. Then I played it, proved no incentive to learn how to play the flutes and various instruments, so I didn't.
I also tried the drums, seemed cool, but would probably take almost as much work to learn how to play them as with real drums and still feel 1/4 of the awesome real drums would provide. Trust me, it was the most underwhelming game of the Wii universe. That and Sluggers.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on August 31, 2008, 01:38:25 AM
Here's a recent video from PAX as well showing the game as well, which makes the game look much better then it's E3 showing as well. http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=MwxSJ1h8OMk&feature=user
Considering Miyamoto is behind this I knew the final product would turn out good. And this recent video and impressions show that Wii Music is actually turning out, *gasp* good.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on August 31, 2008, 02:03:47 AM
That video has cemented my purchase even more than before.
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Post by: DAaaMan64 on August 31, 2008, 02:56:32 AM
Tell you what, if you like cooking mama, you'll like this game.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on August 31, 2008, 03:09:04 AM
I think I will make my own mind up about this game thank you very much.
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Post by: DAaaMan64 on August 31, 2008, 03:34:43 AM
Your welcome. I'm just giving impressions.
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on August 31, 2008, 09:34:08 AM
Sluggers underwhelming? I enjoyed it as much as the original. The only thing that I don't really like about it is the dashing and the challenge mode (it's like the RPG mode in the first one).
Anyways, I'm still looking forward to Wii Music and I am hoping that more music games come out that does not rely on a peripheral that makes the game cost more than 80 dollars.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Nick DiMola on August 31, 2008, 10:35:01 AM
Here's a recent video from PAX as well showing the game as well, which makes the game look much better then it's E3 showing as well. http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=MwxSJ1h8OMk&feature=user
Considering Miyamoto is behind this I knew the final product would turn out good. And this recent video and impressions show that Wii Music is actually turning out, *gasp* good.
In all honesty that still looks pretty boring to me. I'm not saying it won't be polished and well-done, I'm just saying that not everyone is going to be head-over-heels about it. I'm also not saying that you shouldn't be excited, personally I don't really see the draw.
I say this because at the end of the day you still need to play whatever song you selected and the best you can do is play it slower or faster than everyone else. Even when he was ad-libbing, he was still playing it to the notes of the song. A game like that I would hope for something that lets me be totally creative and I'm not sure it really does that. I am still vaguely interested in the conducting mode as I think that has potential to be very interesting because it can be done pretty accurately to real life and actually give you real goals to work towards.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on August 31, 2008, 11:20:07 AM
Well I think it's neat but I agree not everyone will like it. But Nick every music game like GH, RB, Samba, Helix your still playing a song you picked. But what Jeremy from 1up said that you can record your own track from either of the 6 music tracks and then splice them into the normal song I think that's neat since the last music game that sort of let you mess around with different tracks of a song was frequency and amplitude.
While yes you are playing a phantom band I think it seems a little more open than your traditional music game where you are bound to the notes that the developer chose and if the note charts seem a little ridiculous people will be scratching their heads if it was a developer mistake or to artificially increase a difficulty of a song (see guitar hero 3).
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Post by: KDR_11k on August 31, 2008, 11:39:41 AM
One thought I just had: Does it score your performance? Even Endless Ocean had scores for some parts that you could work on improving.
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Post by: DAaaMan64 on August 31, 2008, 12:40:47 PM
One thought I just had: Does it score your performance? Even Endless Ocean had scores for some parts that you could work on improving.
No it doesn't. It just lets you save videos or recordings which you can then edit or send to your friends.
Flames_of_chaos, Sluggers was underwhelming because I didn't expect much from it, and thats what I got. I've never played a Mario Baseball game. Strikers > Sluggers.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on August 31, 2008, 01:14:58 PM
Well Damaan Strikers is indeed better than Sluggers, if you compare the transition from the gamecube games to the Wii games the Soccer one was improved drastically while the baseball one is marginally improved. The main problem I have with Sluggers is all the problems that the gamecube one had still exists in the Wii version but it's still a very enjoyable game.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on August 31, 2008, 02:44:00 PM
The game works out the notes you play according to the tune you're playing and the style you're playing in. Simple, steady rhythms with no modification play a straight melody, while cutting loose with the controls and improvising around the rhythm (it's shown on the screen by pulsing notes) produce wild, extemporizing solos.
It's a highly unusual and surprising system, and we reckon there's deceptively clever software under Wii Music's hood. The results aren't always pleasant to listen to - they're sometimes downright, hilariously horrible - but you can't argue that the game flawlessly captures the flair, mood and accuracy with which you're playing. There may be no sophistication to performing in Wii Music, but there is most definitely an art to it, and producing a performance that's both expressive and accurate will take practice and skill.
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...Playing it is another matter. The Jam mode we sampled is a blast: not a game in any real sense, but a magnificently silly and hugely enjoyable toy. Exactly like Wii Sports, it makes no attempt to realistically simulate the activity it portrays, or provide any complexity or deep competitive challenge to it. Instead, it aims to capture the extrovert, physical feeling and fun of playing an instrument. And Wii Music does something else as well, something precious few music games do: it gives you plenty of room to express yourself...
...More than any Wii release to date, Wii Music is a toy. We don't mean that as a criticism - it's a technically amazing, totally accessible, funny and entertaining toy, and will be a proper riot for anyone in the right kind of loose company. It will probably be misunderstood by many who look for gameplay systems in it rather than suspending disbelief, letting themselves go and expressing themselves through it. Those people love it. And the people watching them from the sofa might even love it a little bit too, through the winces and the gritted teeth.
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Although there will apparently be a more traditional note-matching game included, the only other section of the game we tried was the drumkit, which is an entirely a standalone mode. This uses the Wii Fit balance board for the kick drum and hi-hat, and the nunchuk and remote as your sticks. Very disappointingly, motion only controls rhythm, and not which snares, toms and cymbals you hit - the remote would barely be capable of doing it fast and accurately enough, and the nunchuk not at all. So you have to use buttons and stick to select them.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on August 31, 2008, 09:55:52 PM
This game was been rated by the OFLC. Http://mywii.com.au/NewsDetail.aspx?id=2519
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Post by: Stogi on September 02, 2008, 02:59:46 PM
Miyamoto is a genius ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hjUK1L_wOA
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/39294.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfWpFTS9yaM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZy3ogzJCPo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th9RRoDVt1E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qibZaUlpALc
More info here: http://www.balanceboardblog.com/search/label/wii%20music (http://www.balanceboardblog.com/search/label/wii%20music)
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Post by: BeautifulShy on September 02, 2008, 06:28:48 PM
I like those videos.
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Post by: Kairon on September 02, 2008, 06:57:20 PM
I think that music choice can prove a MAJOR asset or hindrance to this game. Playing the familiar and jazzy Mario theme is PERFECT for the game, but... as in my impressions, playing a complex, unknown melody, maybe even a classical one, can be absolutely disastrous.
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Post by: Ian Sane on September 02, 2008, 08:00:08 PM
The whole thing still sounds like it's for people that find Guitar Hero/Rock Band too damn hard. Even reading positive impressions the concept just doesn't sound entertaining to me at all.
Maybe it's because I am an instrumentalist that I don't care. Pretending to play an insturment doesn't interest me or my friends because we can do it for real. Why jump around like Sesame Street classmates pretending to play the Mario theme when we can bust out our guitars and keyboards and play it for real? It took a while for me to give Guitar Hero a chance because for me there was no wish fulfillment in playing a toy guitar. I can do the real thing. I like Guitar Hero because it's a solid game that I'm naturally pretty good at and I find fun. It's like DDR to me but with music that's more my style.
Wii Music seems to not have that "game" part of it. To me the ability to succeed or fail and high scores and all that stuff is the whole damn point. That Korg game for the DS? That interests me because even if it's not a game I can use it as an instrument. Wii Music sounds like it just lacks anything that I want in a music related videogame.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on September 02, 2008, 08:03:28 PM
But adding classical music helps class up the game, and helps attract non-gamers, which this game is designed for.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on September 02, 2008, 08:35:19 PM
I think that music choice can prove a MAJOR asset or hindrance to this game. Playing the familiar and jazzy Mario theme is PERFECT for the game, but... as in my impressions, playing a complex, unknown melody, maybe even a classical one, can be absolutely disastrous.
Your calling Dvořák New World Symphony unknown? It's one of the most famous symphonies of all time.
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Post by: redgiemental on September 02, 2008, 08:38:14 PM
I still think this games looks dull as hell.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 02, 2008, 08:57:55 PM
So was Tetris.
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on September 02, 2008, 09:03:56 PM
The whole thing still sounds like it's for people that find Guitar Hero/Rock Band too damn hard. Even reading positive impressions the concept just doesn't sound entertaining to me at all.
Maybe it's because I am an instrumentalist that I don't care. Pretending to play an insturment doesn't interest me or my friends because we can do it for real. Why jump around like Sesame Street classmates pretending to play the Mario theme when we can bust out our guitars and keyboards and play it for real? It took a while for me to give Guitar Hero a chance because for me there was no wish fulfillment in playing a toy guitar. I can do the real thing. I like Guitar Hero because it's a solid game that I'm naturally pretty good at and I find fun. It's like DDR to me but with music that's more my style.
Wii Music seems to not have that "game" part of it. To me the ability to succeed or fail and high scores and all that stuff is the whole damn point. That Korg game for the DS? That interests me because even if it's not a game I can use it as an instrument. Wii Music sounds like it just lacks anything that I want in a music related videogame.
Ian I think you got it all wrong, while GH and Rock Band follow the traditional mold of games Wii Music doesn't it gives player the freedom to improvise on music, like one of the new features allows you to record one of 6 different music tracks and then splice it to another track I think that's awesome!! For traditional music games if you play the note it plays the note of the song and if you don't you usually get a bad note. With Wii Music it's more about rhythm if you go out of sync then the music is you are playing to will sound funny and messed up so Wii Music will encourage people to tighten up and be in sync as if you were playing a real instrument.
While Wii Music may be considered a "toy" so can guitar hero and rock band or other peripheral based music games because you aren't playing on a real guitar or drums or whatever you are playing on plastic instruments. I personally applaud Nintendo for making a music game that doesn't require a 100 - 200 dollar bundle.
Don't get me wrong I enjoy music games of all types I just dislike the hate that Wii Music is getting because it doesn't follow the mold of standard music games, Wii Music will probably be popular and will diversify the music game genre. I think it's great how the Wii is getting the most music games this generation and there will be a music game that will appeal to at least one type of person on the platform which is a wonderful thing.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 02, 2008, 09:33:28 PM
Ian is against diversity, you should know that by now.
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Post by: Kairon on September 02, 2008, 09:37:32 PM
I think that music choice can prove a MAJOR asset or hindrance to this game. Playing the familiar and jazzy Mario theme is PERFECT for the game, but... as in my impressions, playing a complex, unknown melody, maybe even a classical one, can be absolutely disastrous.
Your calling Dvořák New World Symphony unknown? It's one of the most famous symphonies of all time.
Which... isn't saying much really once you get out into the general populace, isn't it?
Actually, I'm really sad that you can't change the tempo in Wii Music (as far as I know). That would definitely have upped its game for improvisation and real "play" with the music.
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Post by: Mario on September 02, 2008, 09:45:46 PM
I'm the opposite of Ian, because I play real instruments I like to go to the complete other end of the scale and experiment when it comes to videogames. Rock Band / Guitar Hero are just weak versions of the same thing I do, replacing creativity with sticky pants. Wii Music seems different. Also why I like Electroplankton, gives a fresh perspective.
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on September 03, 2008, 12:11:00 PM
Jeremy Parish a former Wii Music hater turned to a Wii Music lover (http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3169686&p=44)
Here is what won him over:
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But Nintendo has a slightly more fleshed-out version of the game on display this weekend at Penny Arcade Expo, and despite this version sporting only a few modest tweaks, I think it has won me over. The difference: A sense of purpose. While the game's primary mode remains the same -- a group of faux musicians jamming together and playing individual notes or beats of a predefined music track -- the single-player mode now has added depth. Rather than simply pantomiming music with a phantom backing band, you can record their own personal renditions of each tune's six tracks, including melody, harmony, rhythm and percussion. You can save performances, then splice them into the standard rhythm tracks, allowing you to effectively create a complete custom performance of each track. This also works for group performances, although it has more impact with a single performer.
I'm 90% sure Nintendo said you could do that at E3 even though it wasn't part of the demo. Is the real news here that so-called game journalists suffer from cognitive dysfunctions?
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 03, 2008, 12:18:21 PM
It's.................SCIENCE?
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Post by: Kairon on September 03, 2008, 01:19:49 PM
Jeremy Parish a former Wii Music hater turned to a Wii Music lover (http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3169686&p=44)
Here is what won him over:
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But Nintendo has a slightly more fleshed-out version of the game on display this weekend at Penny Arcade Expo, and despite this version sporting only a few modest tweaks, I think it has won me over. The difference: A sense of purpose. While the game's primary mode remains the same -- a group of faux musicians jamming together and playing individual notes or beats of a predefined music track -- the single-player mode now has added depth. Rather than simply pantomiming music with a phantom backing band, you can record their own personal renditions of each tune's six tracks, including melody, harmony, rhythm and percussion. You can save performances, then splice them into the standard rhythm tracks, allowing you to effectively create a complete custom performance of each track. This also works for group performances, although it has more impact with a single performer.
I'm 90% sure Nintendo said you could do that at E3 even though it wasn't part of the demo. Is the real news here that so-called game journalists suffer from cognitive dysfunctions?
You can't expect games journalists to give impressions on modes of a game they haven't played can you? T_T
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Ian Sane on September 03, 2008, 01:37:53 PM
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I personally applaud Nintendo for making a music game that doesn't require a 100 - 200 dollar bundle.
Parappa the Rapper Frequency Amplitude
It's been done and in a way where there was a clearly a solid game behind it.
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I just dislike the hate that Wii Music is getting because it doesn't follow the mold of standard music games
I think people wanted more. It sounds too simplistic. No real challenge or game to it yet not a robust music creation tool either. The sad thing is Nintendo probably COULD do WAY better if they just made the best music game they could and didn't feel the need to specifically target it at non-gamers. Deep down it's not just Wii Music but rather the attitude from Nintendo that Wii Music represents.
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Post by: Kairon on September 03, 2008, 01:44:23 PM
Actually, I'd pay a good $40 for a Wii Conducting "software toy." No other modes necessary, just give me Mad Maestro with the Wii Remote, the ability to direct your actions at particular orchestra sections, NO DYING, and you can take my money.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 03, 2008, 02:08:37 PM
I'm so gonna mix around Killer7/No More Heroes music in Wii Music. if i had talent
Really, I'll leave the arcadey scoring games to the music games I don't care for.
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on September 03, 2008, 02:31:14 PM
I personally applaud Nintendo for making a music game that doesn't require a 100 - 200 dollar bundle.
Parappa the Rapper Frequency Amplitude
It's been done and in a way where there was a clearly a solid game behind it.
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I just dislike the hate that Wii Music is getting because it doesn't follow the mold of standard music games
I think people wanted more. It sounds too simplistic. No real challenge or game to it yet not a robust music creation tool either. The sad thing is Nintendo probably COULD do WAY better if they just made the best music game they could and didn't feel the need to specifically target it at non-gamers. Deep down it's not just Wii Music but rather the attitude from Nintendo that Wii Music represents.
Well it's true Ian but the current trend Guitar Hero and Rock Band brought made the 200 dollar music game popular. But it's good to see stuff like Wii Music, Samba De Amigo, Helix, Major Minor where all you need is a standard wii remote(s) or nunchuk to play.
Also Ian the challenge is hidden in Wii Music because the point of it is to learn proper timing without any onscreen markers, if you screw up it's your fault because you weren't in sync with the song not that you missed a note. Nintendo still has until November to finish up the game so you never know what else they could add between this and next month. So far you can make your own track of a song from 1 of 6 tracks and splice them in between and there's some kind of music sharing mode which is pretty cool.
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Post by: Kairon on September 03, 2008, 02:54:52 PM
In fact, Wii Music could be an example of a more realistic free-form internal motivation challenge system. When people first start playing with musical sounds (remember, this game has been compared to a "My first music game" by Miyamoto), they don't follow notes or anything. They just hum whatever sounds nice, or tap out beats that sound sorta okay. To this day when I'm bored and fidgety I'll slap my thighs to some random rhythm that I develop on the spot without any guides.
I still feel that Wii Music misses several of the complex motivations and versatility that makes "musical play" captivating, but I'm not eager to accept today's "follow these explicit instructions" games as the be-all-and-end-all of music games. I have too much Mario Paint in me.
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Post by: NWR_Lindy on September 04, 2008, 06:03:05 PM
The ideal would be to have both, not one or the other. Have a game with goals, and then also have a Jam Session mode.
In other words, what Guitar Hero: World Tour has, but easy enough for your 5-year-old or Grandma to understand.
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Post by: Ian Sane on September 04, 2008, 06:21:04 PM
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The ideal would be to have both, not one or the other.
This one sentence pretty much sums up my objection with Nintendo's whole non-gamer focus. There is no reason and there never has been one for Nintendo to intentionally limit, simplify or "dumb down" any of their games to attract a mass audience. That's why there are things like difficulty settings and multiple game modes and options screens. Guitar Hero totally has it right and it's no surprise that it and Rock Band are both very popular with, well, pretty much everybody. A common complaint about Guitar Hero 3 is that it's too difficult on the higher settings. So what? Play on Easy. You can still unlock every song that way and then play them in whatever difficulty you wish. There is no requirement whatsoever to play the more difficult modes. They're there only if you want a higher challenge. Hell the superhard Dragon Force song doesn't even have to be completed to unlock it!
THAT is non-gamer friendly in a way that doesn't alienate anyone. And as Silks pointed out World Tour is taking it even further by including Jam Session mode which like Wii Music doesn't require the extra controller cost.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 04, 2008, 06:30:46 PM
I don't want an expensive peripheral based game just to have a "jam session". Plus, I want orchestra mode.
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Post by: NWR_Lindy on September 04, 2008, 07:04:37 PM
And I don't want a music game that's a jam session and nothing else. Plus, I want an online mode.
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Post by: DAaaMan64 on September 04, 2008, 07:11:16 PM
LOL WTF do you want Online for? You can send your **** to other people already.
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Post by: NWR_Lindy on September 04, 2008, 07:21:32 PM
LOL @ Silks.
Edit: Yeah, I know, asking for online play is CRAZY!
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Post by: DAaaMan64 on September 04, 2008, 07:24:59 PM
Play WHAT online? Is what I'm asking.
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Post by: Kairon on September 04, 2008, 07:37:48 PM
Online is a buzzword, that's why everyone asks for it.
But yeah, I'm with Daaman. I doubt this game would benefit much from online simultaneous gameplay.
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Post by: Ian Sane on September 04, 2008, 07:40:10 PM
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I don't want an expensive peripheral based game just to have a "jam session".
Guitar Hero is also sold without the peripheral at a normal price. So if you just want to goof around with the remote you can just buy that version.
Since the drum mode in Wii Music requires the Wii Fit pad I could probably call it an expensive peripheral based game too. To get full use out of either game you have to cough up some extra dough.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 04, 2008, 07:45:51 PM
"Guitar Hero is also sold without the peripheral at a normal price. So if you just want to goof around with the remote you can just buy that version."
Are you really serious? How the **** does that accomplish anything?
oh my gosh he IS serious.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 04, 2008, 08:08:09 PM
Ian likes to prove just how hardcore he is by beating Guitar Hero on Expert playing with the Classic Controller.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 04, 2008, 08:37:50 PM
Yeah but he must be phenomenal after implying it can be done with just the Remote.
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Post by: EasyCure on September 05, 2008, 12:25:33 AM
wiat wait wait... you can use the classic controller?
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on September 05, 2008, 12:31:57 AM
wiat wait wait... you can use the classic controller?
Nope if you play guitar hero 3 or GH aerosmith without the guitar you only do it with the wii remote using a weird configuration.
blah got my hopes up.
i had to play using that stupid set up when my friend was over and hogged the guitar. At least when World Tour comes out i won't have to do that.
lol.. i somehow managed "One" on medium with that thing..
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Post by: Ian Sane on September 05, 2008, 12:10:43 PM
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Are you really serious? How the **** does that accomplish anything?
I was talking about the Jam Session mode in Guitar Hero World Tour. You know the mode we were JUST TALKING ABOUT. You can air drum with the nunchuk and remote in it in a freestyle mode that sounds so similar to Wii Music that it's almost like Activision is including it in their game as an extra mode just to show Nintendo up.
Now Wii Music is probably a better buy for that sort of thing but if that's all you want Guitar Hero World Tour does not require the expensive peripherals. Let's put it this way: you can buy Guitar Hero World Tour and get a full-on game with tons of modes including the ability to create your own music tracks and any non-gamers you live with can also enjoy the freestyle mode. That's how you do it. It doesn't alienate the non-gamers. Wii Music focuses so much on non-gamers that anyone who wants a game or challenge or anything robust has no need for it.
Activision attracts the non-gamers by making an omega game everyone can like and Nintendo attracts the non-gamers by alienating everyone else.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 05, 2008, 12:41:43 PM
Does World Tour cover that little symphony ensemble of instruments included in Wii Music, or is it rock-centric? I'm seeking to mess around with track layering, then mess around with that further by running it through the orchestra mode. I'm not interested in the generic synth rock beats, becuz I'm a discerning adult with sophisticated tastes.
I've had it with music games. I'm getting Samba de Amigo.
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Post by: NWR_Lindy on September 05, 2008, 01:49:06 PM
Are you really serious? How the **** does that accomplish anything?
I was talking about the Jam Session mode in Guitar Hero World Tour. You know the mode we were JUST TALKING ABOUT. You can air drum with the nunchuk and remote in it in a freestyle mode that sounds so similar to Wii Music that it's almost like Activision is including it in their game as an extra mode just to show Nintendo up.
Now Wii Music is probably a better buy for that sort of thing but if that's all you want Guitar Hero World Tour does not require the expensive peripherals. Let's put it this way: you can buy Guitar Hero World Tour and get a full-on game with tons of modes including the ability to create your own music tracks and any non-gamers you live with can also enjoy the freestyle mode. That's how you do it. It doesn't alienate the non-gamers. Wii Music focuses so much on non-gamers that anyone who wants a game or challenge or anything robust has no need for it.
Activision attracts the non-gamers by making an omega game everyone can like and Nintendo attracts the non-gamers by alienating everyone else.
Ian... That's not the point though. If they wanted to do exactly that, they could have. Just look at Donkey Konga.
Again, that's NOT THE POINT. It's FOCUS is about improvisation and coming together with your family or friends and making music. Most people don't know that simple joy, and if anything, mimicking GH would have just detracted from it's goal and wasted valuable effort and time.
You see, when you load up this game, you should be welcomed and invited into to the world of playing music and not bothered with high scores or "expert mode." There is no "expert" mode in real life, so why should a music game have such a thing when it's soul focus is making people less tone deaf and more appreciative of the good music that is truly neglected today due to people who are completely ignorant of how hard it is make such music (I'm looking at you jazz)?
This game may not be for you, Ian, since you already have your own band and thus, can create your own music. But to the literally MILLIONS of people out there that have never partook in such a thing, this is a gift from Miyamoto. He's wants you to pick up them sticks or brass or strings, and start playing music. And I applaud him for that and you should too.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 05, 2008, 02:47:35 PM
Wii Music Wii Fit Wii Sports ========
Titles designed to accessibly help develop some kind of fundamental appreciation and attack indifference towards rape-murder-genocide-domestic-unrest simulators.
Wii Play =====
Supplies ink to print money LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLL
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Post by: NWR_Lindy on September 05, 2008, 04:31:58 PM
I think Nintendo is actually including a hug with every copy of Wii Music sold. It's bundled in.
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Post by: Kairon on September 05, 2008, 04:43:25 PM
I think Nintendo is actually including a hug with every copy of Wii Music sold. It's bundled in.
Maybe they were handing out the hugs at PAX. I've been wondering how some people playing it there could have been more optimistic about Wii Music than even ME.
Titles designed to accessibly help develop some kind of fundamental appreciation and attack indifference towards rape-murder-genocide-domestic-unrest simulators.
Wii Play =====
Supplies ink to print money LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLL
lol.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Ian Sane on September 05, 2008, 04:55:20 PM
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There is no "expert" mode in real life
Real life is permanently in expert mode. No restarts. No saves. Screwing up once can affect the rest of your life. You are always competing with people. Even if you refrain from sports or contests you have to compete to get a job or attract a mate. You compete in minor stuff like trying to get tickets to a concert. You're expected to do well in school, expected to do well in work. You have to apply by laws and rules or risk going to jail. And things always change and you have to keep up.
And sometimes you lose due to stuff beyond your control - bad luck, someone intentionally screwing you, accidents, acts of nature, acts of government, genetics, illness. You can do everything right and still lose. That's a supreme expert mode.
I think Nintendo grossly underestimates the intelligence of non-gamers. What sort of brainless twit is confused by a game having difficulty levels or having a freestyle mode and something with more game to it or having any option they don't intend to use being available? If you can't handle that then I wonder how you survive in this world because cellphones and computers are everywhere and they're more complicted than any game. "I can pay at the pump or pre-pay inside? Cash or credit? Regular Coke or Diet? OH F*CK WHAT DO I DO I'M SO CONFUSED!!"
I don't have to buy Wii Music and I do still have Guitar Hero: World Tour. But I'm pretty sure Nintendo could have made a more robust Wii Music that everyone including experienced gamers and musicians could enjoy as well. There is no reason for them to limit it the way they have. The Wii ___ series is patronizing to the user.
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Post by: Kairon on September 05, 2008, 05:14:31 PM
Actually, what I'm worried about them underestimating is the profound negative effect making BAD music can have on you. There's nothing more demoralizing then causing awful sounds, and if Nintendo's not careful, this freedom to cause that psychic damage to ourselves could drive users away.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 05, 2008, 05:24:42 PM
wiat wait wait... you can use the classic controller?
Nope if you play guitar hero 3 or GH aerosmith without the guitar you only do it with the wii remote using a weird configuration.
The Guitar controller is a Classic Controller. The frets are A, B, X, Y, and Z2, the strum thing is up and down on the d-pad. I've played Frets on Fire with the Wii guitar, my Wiimote software can only configure the remote, nunchuk, and classic controller, and configuring the classic controller makes the guitar work. I figured the same thing would work on the Wii.
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Post by: Stogi on September 05, 2008, 05:25:50 PM
IAN
So your equating life with "supreme expert mode." Fair enough, just realize how lame that makes you sound. It's a game dude. A fucking game. It isn't anything like life. Playing Guitar Hero fifty times a day doesn't make you a rock legend; it makes you really gay. I already told you the reason why you are not getting the game you want; and it has nothing to do with peoples' ability (or should I inability) to make easy decisions.
And another thing. You make me sad. Your ability to bitch is profoundly disappointing; especially when it exposes your world view. You seem like the person that can't just relax, take it a deep breath, and realize how blessed your life is. There is always something wrong with everything.
Kairon, you got to crawl before you walk, before you run, before you fly.
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Post by: Kairon on September 05, 2008, 05:34:28 PM
But KashogiStogi, crawling shouldn't involve reams of negative reinforcement.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Ian Sane on September 05, 2008, 05:44:48 PM
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So your equating life with "supreme expert mode." Fair enough, just realize how lame that makes you sound.
You said there is no "expert mode" in real life. I was merely stating my disagreement with that point. Yeah Wii Music is just a game but you made that point and I disagree with it. In fact I don't quite get what you meant in the first place. In real life things are hard. Having selectable difficulties in a videogame is part of what makes videogames a good escape. If you want to be challenged you can. If you want everything to be a push over you can. And as Nintendo has introduced if you just want to goof around with no pressure you can.
Though Nintendo thinks it's better to not provide those options and you're defending that which makes no sense to me at all. I don't mean any offense by that I just don't get it at all. Nintendo has traditionally been super restrictive about providing options and I never understand why anyone defends that. Why is telling people what they want a characteristic of Nintendo that is defended? Would Wii Music with more options be a better or worse product?
I think this whole debate, the whole gamers vs. non-gamers thing, all of it could have been easily avoided if Nintendo wasn't so insistent of dumbing things down for non-gamers. If they just made the best game they could and made it so that non-gamers can fart around with easy modes and such it would all be fine. No complaints that Nintendo is neglecting the core gamer.
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Post by: Stogi on September 05, 2008, 05:50:59 PM
Dude, you hit it right on the head without even realizing. WiiMusic isn't suppose to be a game; more like an empty canvas for you to play with.
It's like walking into the storage room for your University's music program and playing with all those cool instruments. That's all. It's a gateway for you to channel creativity into. THAT"S ALL.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 05, 2008, 06:04:21 PM
Dude, you hit right on the head without even realizing. WiiMusic isn't suppose to be a game; more like an empty canvas for you to play with.
It's like walking into the storage room for your University's music program and playing with all those cool instruments. That's all. It's a gateway for you to channel creativity into. THAT"S ALL.
Indeed, that's been its purpose since its initial preview. I don't get why Ian doesn't accept this notion, that this software has a focus markedly different from the rest of the competitive-scoring-flashing-timed-icon games out there.
If it included such a mode, it'd probably be just a bonus easy-casual mini-game that'd he'd complain about anyway for being included yet not fleshed-out, like multiplayer in Metroid Prime 2. It'd be just another half-hearted me-too game mode, while there are other games that get the job done robustly and exclusively; get those for that job, get Wii Music for a different job.
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Post by: DAaaMan64 on September 05, 2008, 06:21:39 PM
Heroin Hero?
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Post by: NWR_Lindy on September 05, 2008, 06:46:38 PM
I guess you could say that Wii Music is the video game equivalent of giving pots, pans, and wooden spoons to an infant. If Nintendo can make money off of that, more power to them, because they're GENIUSES.
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Post by: Kairon on September 05, 2008, 06:51:12 PM
I just had a thought... OCARINA HERO!!!
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Post by: Ian Sane on September 05, 2008, 07:56:57 PM
Quote
It's like walking into the storage room for your University's music program and playing with all those cool instruments. That's all. It's a gateway for you to channel creativity into. THAT"S ALL.
Except that the creativity is limited pretty much to playing a select group of songs competently or poorly. Well there is the drum mode I'll give it that. Am I ignorant of some HUGE create-a-song mode that this game has? I hear creativity this and that but the gist of the game from my understanding is that you mime with the remote and classical music plays well or sh!tty depending on your ability to keep time. The creativity involved in this is what? The drum mode is different but as far as I can tell Mario Paint for the SNES is a better tool for expressing music creativity.
Now that Korg game for the DS? THAT sounds like a creative tool.
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Post by: Stogi on September 05, 2008, 08:59:37 PM
Am I ignorant of some HUGE create-a-song mode that this game has?
Jesus, really? Was that all we were arguing about.
YES. YES THERE IS A JAM MODE. YOU CAN EVEN RECORD MUSIC VIDEOS AND SEND THEM TO YOUR FRIENDS.
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Post by: Mario on September 05, 2008, 09:44:05 PM
Game vs Program
I think people want a game in their gaming system.
Also dissing the "Wii ___" games makes you look like a complete retard. Wii Sports still hasn't even been matched in any of it's sports in FULL games, except possibly golf. As time goes by the game is looking more and more like a masterpiece.
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Post by: NWR_Lindy on September 06, 2008, 10:45:13 AM
I totally agree with Mario (and I just threw up in my mouth because of it).
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Post by: redgiemental on September 06, 2008, 11:07:05 AM
Wii Sport was very good.
Wii Fit got dull very quickly in my opinion.
So we're tied one good and one bad so far on my scoreboard. Wii Music from what I've seen makes me think of it more of as a bad than a good for me personally. I'm open to changing my mind but thats how it looks at the minute.
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Post by: Ian Sane on September 08, 2008, 05:05:58 PM
Quote
YES. YES THERE IS A JAM MODE. YOU CAN EVEN RECORD MUSIC VIDEOS AND SEND THEM TO YOUR FRIENDS.
My understanding is that you don't actually create anything. You don't pick what notes to play or anything like that. You pick a song, you mime an instrument with the remote to whatever timing you want and that's the Jam Mode. Even if I can record a video of that (video of what? Mii's hopping around?) I don't consider that a create-a-song mode. Can I write a brand new song in Wii Music? Nothing I have read suggests I can.
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Post by: Bloodworth on September 09, 2008, 03:39:11 AM
I must share this (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/39727.html) with you.
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Post by: Dasmos on September 09, 2008, 06:25:35 AM
I must share this (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/39727.html) with you.
This is the reason I'm not buying this game the first day it's released, it's the reason I'm buying this as soon as the fucking shops open. I'd go to my first ever midnight launch for this.
Downright hilarious. I hope this is the first of many zany "instruments" we see.
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Post by: redgiemental on September 09, 2008, 06:59:40 AM
You can get children's toys that do something similar.....
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Post by: Dasmos on September 09, 2008, 10:09:55 AM
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Post by: DAaaMan64 on September 09, 2008, 12:11:07 PM
There are only 1 - 3 animal costumes like that I think. Please remember that with instruments, the range of notes you can use changes depending on what song you choose.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on September 11, 2008, 02:55:13 PM
It's basically just a friggin kid's animal noise's soundboard with the buttons mapped to gestures. You've got to be kidding me.
...so? Kids love those things.
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Post by: Stogi on September 12, 2008, 01:21:20 PM
That box art kicks ass. I can't wait for this game.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on September 12, 2008, 02:05:48 PM
I heard recently that the game got pushed up from November 3rd to October 20th.So the wait isn't that long. This push up of the release date has messed up my buying of the DS Lite. I was going to get one in October, but this game is coming then. November has Chrono Trigger DS and Mushroom Men.December has Little King's Story.Oh well I guess I have to wait till the new year.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on September 25, 2008, 03:29:07 PM
Some new info
Ad Lib Performance - Choose among 50 tunes, 60 instruments, and a selection of stages - As you play alone, you can record 6 different instruments separately and mix them
Share clips with friends - Record your performances - Design an album cover for each record - edit performances that you’ve received - send to friends
Lesson mode: Basic Play - Learn the fundamentals of the game - practice with all instruments to become familiar with them
Re-arranging Lessons - Learn to choose the appropriate instrument depending of the the type of song, as well as the basics of conducting a musical performance
Drum Lessons - Use both hands (Wiimote + Nunchuk) and your feet (Balance Board) to learn how to play a drum set
Minigames - Minigame 1 : Conduct a Classical Orchestra - Minigame 2 : Connect the Handbells - Minigame 3 : Test your Musical Sensitivity
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 25, 2008, 05:05:23 PM
I think i'll use the credit i'll get from Brothers in Arms towards purchasing Wii Music.
October is saved.
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Post by: WuTangTurtle on September 25, 2008, 05:10:07 PM
I really can't understand why people are anticipating this game at all. Everything I've seen and read still just makes me believe you can shake the controllers randomly to the songs and their just doesn't seem much to it than that. It seems like one of those games you play for like a week than never play it again. Yeah the dog thing was funny though.
For me this just adds to the negative stuff against Nintendo, looks like I'll be looking towards the 3rd parties for awhile.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 25, 2008, 05:12:57 PM
Shaking isn't random if shaking is intentional. You have influence over nature of the note, opposed to activating/missing predetermined sounds in the score-based games.
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Post by: KDR_11k on September 26, 2008, 11:45:39 AM
Of course you can just randomly hit/move the controller, just as you can randomly pull strings on a guitar or mash keys on a piano. The machine will not tell you that you're doing it wrong but your ears will. Playing badly sounds bad, playing well sounds good.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 26, 2008, 02:06:09 PM
Imagine the killer7 Gatekeeper theme with Dog Barking... lololololololololololol
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Post by: SixthAngel on September 26, 2008, 02:09:08 PM
I am happy that we have reached a point where there is no longer unanimous agreement that games will be good. It shows that more varied tastes will be catered too. I always thought it funny that the most loved games were always beyond reproach except by "fanboys." It is nice to see games that, even though I am not interested (Nintendogs) have a wide appeal. Movies aren't limited to simply one viewer, romance, action, drama, comedy. They all draw in a different customer and it is about time videogames started drawing in more then the same people again and again.
I am indifferent about Wii music. I would probably only enjoy the crazy instruments, I don't think a full game of this is right for me but I'll try a demo or at a friends somewhere to see first.
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Post by: Stogi on September 26, 2008, 02:10:18 PM
I can't wait to jam out on this.
The list doesn't have a "jam mode" though. Do you always have to pick a song? I thought you could make up a song as you go.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on September 30, 2008, 03:49:10 PM
New screens (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/1218453_1407.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dfamitsu.com%26hl%3Den%26suggon%3D0%26sa%3DG)
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Post by: Monteblanco on October 01, 2008, 07:03:58 AM
Shaking isn't random if shaking is intentional. You have influence over nature of the note, opposed to activating/missing predetermined sounds in the score-based games.
Actually, this is what got my attention to this game. It is really a music game, in opposition to rhythm games, such as Guitar Hero or Rock Band. To me, the appeal is obvious as I can treat Wii Music as a smart instrument that pick the notes automatically. Also, it appears that I can choose how many notes I'll play changing the interpretation all over.
I think those with some familiarity with playing music will understand it better but I don't think Wii Music will have much appeal to gamers which are more used to some sort of competitive drive.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Mario on October 01, 2008, 08:28:14 AM
Of course you can just randomly hit/move the controller, just as you can randomly pull strings on a guitar or mash keys on a piano. The machine will not tell you that you're doing it wrong but your ears will. Playing badly sounds bad, playing well sounds good.
Really? I thought you couldn't hit off notes. It stays in key so while you can sound repetitive and cliche it can't really be bad. Hoping there's some kind of free play mode to take advantage of all the different instruments and actually make stuff with them, otherwise it will be a big opportunity missed. I can already imagine youtube being flooded with Wii Music "covers". Though I can't really imagine how that would be controlled and how the controller would actually be an instrument with all individual notes at the ready. Some kind of Mario Paint type thing with notation perhaps? Let the masses sound good and have a good time with the standard play, put this mode in there for the few thousand people that will get a few million youtube views out of it.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 01, 2008, 11:54:08 AM
"It is really a music game"
It really is a music game. Rejoice!
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Post by: BeautifulShy on October 01, 2008, 09:25:27 PM
Iwata asks:Wii Music (http://us.wii.com/iwata_asks/wii_music/vol1_page1.jsp)
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Post by: EasyCure on October 01, 2008, 10:32:15 PM
wow that was a damn good read.
He's so excited and enthused about Wii Music.. i actually wanna give it a shot...
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Post by: NWR_Lindy on October 01, 2008, 11:01:16 PM
He had probably just gotten off the phone with his financial advisor before that interview.
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Post by: Stogi on October 02, 2008, 04:07:03 AM
My God!
This is Miyamoto's baby. Another golden egg.............
I can't wait.
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Post by: KDR_11k on October 02, 2008, 05:14:01 AM
Really? I thought you couldn't hit off notes. It stays in key so while you can sound repetitive and cliche it can't really be bad.
You can't miss a note but you can miss a beat. The demonstration at E3 sounded pretty bad with people missing beats all the time.
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Post by: Urkel on October 07, 2008, 03:53:11 PM
ITT: Wii Music Haters eat crow (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=337229)
Malstrom was right.
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Post by: Stogi on October 07, 2008, 05:15:28 PM
What is that link referring to?
Why would you link some thread?
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Post by: BeautifulShy on October 07, 2008, 05:46:49 PM
Stogi the forum members before the Iwata ask:Wii music started were saying that Wii Music is no good and pretty much hating on Wii Music. Now they are more accepting of the title. In other words they changed their tune.
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Post by: stevey on October 07, 2008, 06:12:26 PM
Super Music Bros. Smash Mix (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y267/n64/1222927696613.jpg) In a perfect world....
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Post by: Stogi on October 07, 2008, 06:15:04 PM
Yoshi playing the trumpet FTW!
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Post by: Ian Sane on October 07, 2008, 06:27:08 PM
Yoshi's playing the trombone.
But I like the picture. And seeing all the SSB characters in one picture really blows me away. I never really thought about exactly how many characters there are but, damn, it's a lot.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Stogi on October 07, 2008, 06:35:34 PM
Ya your right. Mario is playing the trumpet.
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on October 07, 2008, 06:41:45 PM
Mr. Game & Watch is giving Snake's karaoke performance a 1. :D
The October conference presentation made Wii Music look pretty fun. I still doubt I'll buy it without the ability to actually write music, but at least now I want to try it.
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Post by: EasyCure on October 07, 2008, 06:49:34 PM
But I like the picture. And seeing all the SSB characters in one picture really blows me away. I never really thought about exactly how many characters there are but, damn, it's a lot.
Stogi the forum members before the Iwata ask:Wii music started were saying that Wii Music is no good and pretty much hating on Wii Music. Now they are more accepting of the title. In other words they changed their tune.
Also keep in mind that is Neogaf, of all places. Hardcore elitist central.
Making a Wii Music thread there is the internet equivalent of putting out the retard bat signal. You can see the trolls came out of the woodwork right away, but then somebody linked to a video that better demonstrated what the game was about. Then the trolling stopped almost completely.
Always bet on Miyamoto.
Edit: I think I should link to the videos that caused them to change their minds, since I'm sure a lot of people here don't quite understand what the game is about.
Improvising with Twinkle Twinkle Little Star (http://us.wii.com/iwata_asks/wii_music/vol1_page3.jsp) (The actual video is in a link towards to bottom)
Miyamoto Demonstrates Wii Music (http://www.irwebcasting.com/081002/52/5232b47438/lijasf39ho8w_hi.html)
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Post by: Stogi on October 08, 2008, 03:38:49 PM
GOD!
I'm still watching it cuz it's long as hell, but goooooooooooood loooooooooord! How can people hate on this game?!
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Post by: ShyGuy on October 08, 2008, 05:24:12 PM
Like that fact that Adult link is on the Ocarina, Wind Waker link has his baton and Donkey Kong is on his bongos. Awesome picture.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on October 08, 2008, 08:50:28 PM
Nice to see people are starting to come around on the game, and viewing it in a better light.
All I'm interested in now is finding out what the full tracklist is going to be. A good tracklist is what will determine how quickly I buy the game and at what price.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 08, 2008, 09:30:34 PM
THOSE TERRENCE & PHILIPP TYPE CHARACTERS ARE AWESOME
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Post by: KDR_11k on October 09, 2008, 05:21:07 AM
Samus on the contrabass is a reference to Tetris, no?
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Post by: BeautifulShy on October 13, 2008, 03:19:14 AM
http://www.nintendoeverything.com/?p=4858
You guys recall that miyamoto wanted to have kids more interested in music well this is the result.
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Post by: Stogi on October 13, 2008, 04:41:32 AM
That was already in the video Urkel posted above.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on October 13, 2008, 04:53:11 AM
Well more people need to see it!
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Post by: Stogi on October 13, 2008, 05:24:33 AM
Right you are sir.
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Post by: Dasmos on October 13, 2008, 07:48:08 AM
Ahahaha the uniform of those school kids in the presentation was horrible.
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Post by: EasyCure on October 13, 2008, 09:14:52 AM
hm... i dont want to stray off topic but there was just an ad in this thread... i dont know what it was for but it had a giant picture of jesus and the only text i saw read "the new testament"
is god trying to tell me something about miyamoto?
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Post by: BeautifulShy on October 13, 2008, 11:28:25 AM
HA Ha Ha the ads know all.
So does this video change anybodys mind about this game?
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Post by: Luigi Dude on October 16, 2008, 12:47:48 PM
Alright, this is a video that everyone NEEDS to watch.
Alright, this is a video that everyone NEEDS to watch.
http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=vOx3G2AAFUI
That was impressive. (Be sure to skip to about the 4:30 mark.)
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Post by: LuigiHann on October 16, 2008, 02:33:39 PM
Come to think of it, this game engine would be a good fit for Jazz music.
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Post by: Pale on October 16, 2008, 02:34:35 PM
I'm still not ready to eat any crow myself. Just like there was no reason for them not to include some sort of routine mode that pulls different exercises together in Wii Fit... there's absolutely no reason to make this entire game a create mode and that's it.
I guess I'm still bummed that I was expected a super deluxe version of band bros. and this is what we got instead.
People keep acting like it's so much better than it was at E3... it's really not... there have just been better presentations.
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Post by: Caliban on October 16, 2008, 02:48:02 PM
I will wait and see for the reveal of the full list of songs in the game because I want a lot of game music more than any of the other stuff. Of course more classical music is more than welcome too.
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Post by: Ian Sane on October 16, 2008, 02:56:28 PM
Pale, everyone has already decided if they're going to love or hate Wii Music anyway. Perfect 10 scores won't convince the haters and lousy scores won't convince the lovers either.
In the end it kind of doesn't matter because anyone like myself who isn't interested in Wii Music seems to be totally into Guitar Hero: World Tour. There isn't a shortage of music related games this winter.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 16, 2008, 03:23:00 PM
Music games are the new Tony Hawk games.
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Post by: that Baby guy on October 16, 2008, 04:27:53 PM
I was iffy about this game based on what I had seen before, but that video above really helps to market it all. It's now on my probable buy list, before it was far from it. I'm surprised.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 16, 2008, 04:33:47 PM
I am still undecided about the game. So impressions WILL impact me either way.
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Post by: Spinnzilla on October 16, 2008, 06:01:47 PM
We have licensed music! John Lennon, Earth, Wind & Fire and Sting are just a couple of the artist on the list.
and lawl at the wrong artist and name on "Jitterbug"
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Post by: BeautifulShy on October 16, 2008, 06:04:45 PM
Wow great selection.
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Post by: Ian Sane on October 16, 2008, 07:04:28 PM
That list of licensed music would make a good "music with no balls" compilation.
14 licenced songs - the FIRST Guitar Hero had more than twice that. GH: World Tour and Rock Band 2 both crush that amount and they both have DLC.
Many of those songs are covers. The current Rock Band and Guitar Hero are now 100% master recordings.
What is Wii Music's target demo? It just seems like Guitar Hero for Creampuff Wimps. It's like Nintendo has been living in a cave for five years. Wii Music seems like it was designed to compete in the pre-Guitar Hero rythym game time period. It's like Miyamoto and Iwata are all "this is going to squash Space Channel 5 and DDR" all while being completely oblivious to the two HUGE American music game series. Maybe it's because Guitar Hero and Rock Band aren't available in Japan and NCL just doesn't understand how huge they are.
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Post by: Pale on October 16, 2008, 07:13:08 PM
Donkey Konga all over again.
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Post by: Spinnzilla on October 16, 2008, 07:14:10 PM
http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3170709&p=44
1up gave it an A-. wow.
i've begun to warm up to this game lately.
stop comparing it to Rock Band and Guitar Hero. It's like comparing Super Mario Galaxy to God of War.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 16, 2008, 07:34:59 PM
Ian STILL has no idea what Wii Music is? It's not even in the same genre as Guitar Hero (where DDR and SC5 and Donkey Konga would also fit). Much of the music are covers anyway because they will intentionally sound DIFFERENT when interacted with, unlike the rest of the "push the correct button" genre. In the typical music games, you take in the music as-is (or, you avoid failure so the original track stays intact). In Wii Music, you bring out something new (a twist, from a vast but controlled range of twisting) from yourself.
It's entertainment software for non-musicians (ie music toy). DIGEST THAT. Trying to pin a demographic to it is missing the point.
And everyone can keep comparing Rock Band to Guitar Hero. They're still colors and buttons as usual.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 16, 2008, 07:38:10 PM
But wait-a-minute, a non-game on a non-console got a high score from a hardcore media outlet?
Non-games are supposed to score poorly and sell well! The sales are destined to bomb then!
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Post by: BeautifulShy on October 16, 2008, 07:41:15 PM
Pro nailed it with his first point.
Oh Pro you crack me up.
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Post by: Monteblanco on October 16, 2008, 07:47:05 PM
Wii Music songs aren't covers. They are synthesised as the game will fill the appropriate notes at any inputs given by the player. As such, Wii Music behaves as a real instrument, though a very easy to play one. This is very different from rhythm games, such as Guitar Hero, where, don't matter how good you are in the game, the music will sound the same, regardless of your score. In fact, Wii Music don't need scores as it is up to you to evaluate how well you're playing.
Perhaps because I have some familiarity with music, I never had any interest in rhythm games, such as Guitar Hero. Wii Music seems to be the one of the few music games available and thus I am not surprised many people don't get it. I look forward to see if it will be any good.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 16, 2008, 07:51:03 PM
That's funny cuz from my understanding Ian is fuhmillyar with musak, yet he appears to not get it.
I'm no musician but I do have some desire to follow and understand (ie enjoy) music at some core creative level.
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Post by: EasyCure on October 16, 2008, 08:25:55 PM
That's funny cuz from my understanding Ian is fuhmillyar with musak, yet he appears to not get it.
I'm no musician but I do have some desire to follow and understand (ie enjoy) music at some core creative level.
ouch...
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Post by: Mario on October 16, 2008, 08:33:43 PM
Apparently Wii Music is meant to MELT YOUR FACE OFF.
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Post by: Caliban on October 16, 2008, 10:02:37 PM
Is there a list of the complete set of instruments to be played?
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Pale on October 17, 2008, 10:10:46 AM
The comparison to Rock Band and Guitar Hero is legitimate when we are talking about what we hoped Wii Music would be.
Like I've said, I was hoping for a Band Bros. clone with all sorts of new ways of playing instruments. Band Bros is a press the button at the right time game.
I can't speak for Ian, but what I'm saying is I recognize that Wii Music is a different thing from traditional rhythm games, and that's what makes me sad.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: EasyCure on October 17, 2008, 10:25:42 AM
The comparison to Rock Band and Guitar Hero is legitimate when we are talking about what we hoped Wii Music would be.
Like I've said, I was hoping for a Band Bros. clone with all sorts of new ways of playing instruments. Band Bros is a press the button at the right time game.
I can't speak for Ian, but what I'm saying is I recognize that Wii Music is a different thing from traditional rhythm games, and that's what makes me sad.
Don't you mean "..I recognize that Wii Music is a different thing from the traditional rhythm game i expected, and thats what makes me sad"
You can't blame Nintendo for announcing a music game and it doesnt turn out the way you wanted it to be, that all lies on you for expecting Nintendo to NOT do something different, when they usually do.
Nintendo announces a fighting game, we don't get a traditional 1v1 fighter.
Nintendo announces Metroid is going first person, we don't get a traditional FPS
Nintendo announces a music game, we don't get a traditional music game.
See where i'm going with this?
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: KDR_11k on October 17, 2008, 10:27:27 AM
It was a regular rythm game initially but during tests they found out it's more fun when it does NOT score you (scoring was the default until Miyamoto asked them WTF they were doing leaving it as the default when it's not the best way the game can be played).
The Ask Iwata interview sounded like after you finish playing you get asked how you'd rate your own performance?
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: King of Twitch on October 17, 2008, 10:48:12 AM
Where would gaming be today if Taito yanked out the high score from Space Invaders just for the pleasure of repelling an alien invasion?
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: KDR_11k on October 17, 2008, 12:07:29 PM
Space Invaders is boring with or without a score. Now EDF2, that's repelling an alien invasion just for the joy of making **** explode.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Ian Sane on October 17, 2008, 12:18:40 PM
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That's funny cuz from my understanding Ian is fuhmillyar with musak, yet he appears to not get it.
The fact that I am a musician is a big reason why I have no interest in Wii Music. I hear all this talk about how this is a creative tool. Well to me playing pre-determined songs poorly or well based on miming an instrument isn't creativity. It's restrictive and dumbed-down. Something like Korg DS-10, which is a clear non-game, is more my speed. Wii Music is not a composition tool and is as useful of an instrument as those toy guitars Fisher Price makes. And it isn't a game either. So why should I be even remotely interested in it?
On the other hand GH: World Tour has a create-a-song mode. So not only does it have a more challenging GAME to it it's also a BETTER creative tool than Wii Music.
Wii Music follows Nintendo's now typical design philosophy of dumbing down. It's for people who can't play instruments, can't write songs and can't keep time well enough to play a score-based game like Guitar Hero. It's for the musically inept.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: EasyCure on October 17, 2008, 12:24:41 PM
That's funny cuz from my understanding Ian is fuhmillyar with musak, yet he appears to not get it.
The fact that I am a musician is a big reason why I have no interest in Wii Music. I hear all this talk about how this is a creative tool. Well to me playing pre-determined songs poorly or well based on miming an instrument isn't creativity. It's restrictive and dumbed-down. Something like Korg DS-10, which is a clear non-game, is more my speed. Wii Music is not a composition tool and is as useful of an instrument as those toy guitars Fisher Price makes. And it isn't a game either. So why should I be even remotely interested in it?
On the other hand GH: World Tour has a create-a-song mode. So not only does it have a more challenging GAME to it it's also a BETTER creative tool than Wii Music.
Wii Music follows Nintendo's now typical design philosophy of dumbing down. It's for people who can't play instruments, can't write songs and can't keep time well enough to play a score-based game like Guitar Hero. It's for the musically inept.
i was going to say you still dont get it, but that second paragraph has you coming SO close...
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Nick DiMola on October 17, 2008, 01:30:44 PM
Wii Music follows Nintendo's now typical design philosophy of dumbing down. It's for people who can't play instruments, can't write songs and can't keep time well enough to play a score-based game like Guitar Hero. It's for the musically inept.
I think this is spot-on, but the negative connotation it has is the big problem. So what if you are musically inept? It isn't a natural skill for everyone, and isn't a skill many people can even learn. So as a result you have a number of rhythm games that give people the feeling as if they are playing music. Guitar Hero and Wii Music seek the same goal, however their approach is much different. One is only better than the other based on your preference.
Wii Music has potential to succeed for a number of people, but I think many musicians will not derive the same joy from the game as the musically inept. And guess what? That's ok, because the game wasn't being made for them to begin with.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: EasyCure on October 17, 2008, 01:45:30 PM
see, Mr. Jack gets it. Ian, you were close, like i said but you keep attacking the game thats clearly not for you. At least when Pale comes off as negative towards the game he states that he's dissapointed its not what he expected (Band Bros.) but you... you just sound like you're trolling, and we all know you're better than that.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Ian Sane on October 17, 2008, 02:19:10 PM
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see, Mr. Jack gets it. Ian, you were close, like i said but you keep attacking the game thats clearly not for you.
The perception I get with this thread from the people who are looking forward to Wii Music is that if I don't like it then it must be because I don't get it or Nintendo did a poor first demo of it. I feel I do get the point of Wii Music but still don't like it.
It's the natural instinct to defend oneself I suppose, particularly since I was called out by name with my musical background mentioned.
My dislike of Nintendo making such a product is that years ago when Nintendo made a game they made the ultimate mother of games. Sometimes they turned the genre on it's ear, sometimes they made something more conventional but perfected it. Five years ago a Nintendo music game would have been incredible. Musicians would love it. Gamers would love it. The only people that wouldn't love it would be those without the slightest interest in videogames or those that have no rhythm whatsoever (and probably some "Nintendo is k!ddy" people too.) Now Nintendo makes the complete opposite. And the Nintendo Omega Music game isn't being made and never will. Nintendo isn't making a Wii Music for gamers that want a challenging rythym game or musicians that want to write and record their own compositions. When the topic of Nintendo neglecting the core comes up this is part of it. Wii Music is not just a wimpy non-game, it's the absence of a more advanced Nintendo music game. I like Wii Sports but where's the more expanded tennis or baseball game from Nintendo? Doesn't exist unless you count that Mario Baseball game that uses waggle instead of the real-time swing mechanics of Wii Sports.
And the irony is that Guitar Hero and Rock Band HAVE the mainstream appeal Nintendo desires with Wii Music but they aren't nerfed baby games. Nintendo treats non-gamers like such idiots that they feel offering a true "everyone" game with difficulty levels and the OPTION of challenge and the OPTION of complexity will confuse people and lose sales. It's a damn insult from a company that used to the most daring and cutting edge game developer in the world. Guitar Hero: World Tour for the Wii has some jam mode in it as well for musically inept people. That's a true game for everyone. Wii Music is ONLY for musically inept people.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: EasyCure on October 17, 2008, 02:47:43 PM
see, Mr. Jack gets it. Ian, you were close, like i said but you keep attacking the game thats clearly not for you.
The perception I get with this thread from the people who are looking forward to Wii Music is that if I don't like it then it must be because I don't get it or Nintendo did a poor first demo of it. I feel I do get the point of Wii Music but still don't like it.
Just for the record:
I won't be getting Wii Music. It doesn't appeal to me or interest me in anyway, with or without my background in music. I can respect what its trying to be and trying to do, but whether that succeeds doesn't really matter to me.
As for the rest of your post:
I just don't feel like arguing it. Either you dont get "it" or you're just so wrapped up in your "Nintendo doesnt love me" attitude" that you'll keep spouting the same lines.
And really, truly, honestly.. I dont want to come off as i'm picking on you or anything Ian, thats not my intent. It's just you keep making the same arguments but they don't hold any water. Neither you nor i know if nintendo has any other music games in the works that might be the MEGATON guitar hero/rock band killer you expect them to make. You can't just say "well they're priority is the blue ocean" and assume they'll never make another Mario Paint-esque music creator, you just can't.
I'm done here.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 17, 2008, 02:48:03 PM
Ian, the game you want Nintendo to make is something they already have, it's called Band Bros and Band Bros DX for the DS. Even though it's Japan only, it does exist.
Just import them and then you'll have the ultimate Nintendo music game you've always wanted.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 17, 2008, 03:39:58 PM
First day sales of Wii Music in Japan is 50,000 source (http://gonintendo.com/?p=59784)
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Nick DiMola on October 17, 2008, 11:49:40 PM
Just got this in for review today ... not feeling it quite yet. The ability to play all the parts of the song is cool, however actually doing the playing is fairly simple and most times isn't very fulfilling. Anyone able to keep rhythm won't get hung up at all with the game.
The biggest disappointment thus far for me is the awful midi quality of all of the music. It sounds pretty atrocious and though I'm sure they needed to do it this way, it doesn't work in favor of the game. As of this moment I'm severely underwhelmed, however this is only an hour's worth of impressions. I'll keep you guys posted as I dive deeper into it.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on October 17, 2008, 11:51:47 PM
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: NWR_Lindy on October 18, 2008, 03:57:30 AM
I actually think Wii Music is a very cool idea, but I doubt I'd have much use for it. I question its depth. After I play all the instruments, make a few songs, and send my friends a couple of videos, I think I'd be wondering what else I could do with it.
I'll be interested to see what Nick thinks of it, since his gaming tastes are very much in line with mine.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Mario on October 18, 2008, 04:36:24 AM
**** this musician elitist bullshit, i'm not dismissing the game because I create real music, I also like to have fun. There will be a way to make awesome stuff out of Wii Music and i'll find it.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: KDR_11k on October 18, 2008, 06:05:35 AM
Lol IGN
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If anything, it's only confirmed my suspicions, specifically that Nintendo's first step into the music / rhythm genre is actually a misstep
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: DAaaMan64 on October 18, 2008, 06:29:26 AM
First step?
Mario Paint Donkey Konga Elite Beat Agents
and probably others.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Deguello on October 18, 2008, 06:35:27 AM
Yeah, that's pretty bad on IGN's part. Nintendo's made/published oodles of rhythm games, such as:
Rhythm Heaven and it's GBA predecessor Elite Beat Agents and both Ouendan Games Band Bros. and DX Donkey Konga
A Majority of which have been developed in-house and all of them released in the past 4 years. A cursory look on Wikipedia would reveal all, or maybe even their own sites games database, but IGN simply can't do that kind of research because it would destroy the message of "bumbling Nintendo" or "More dumbed down casual for casuals by casual Nintendo casual lausac." No wonder nobody trusts the games press about Wii games (or DS games in 2004-2006)
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on October 18, 2008, 07:25:48 AM
If you order Wii Music on Amazon you get a 20 dollar coupon that you can apply toward a future videogame purchase.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on October 18, 2008, 04:12:49 PM
That is a pretty good deal.The game is coming out in 2 days so you can get a good deal down the road.RE4 wii edition for 10 bucks.Not bad.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Nick DiMola on October 19, 2008, 01:02:15 AM
Alright, some more impressions for you guys.
I explored some of the other modes of the game and had varying levels of success with them. The "Games" Mode has 3 different sub-modes, including the conductor mode, the bells mode, and the pitch perfect mode. All three are a bunch of fun, but have pretty limited life due to the very, very small selection of songs that can be played within them.
The drum mode is awful and adds nothing to the game. Playing the drums by holding a sequence of buttons is pretty damn awkward and it doesn't feel anything like really playing drums.
I'd say the biggest thing I walked away with after tonight is the fact that you absolutely MUST play this game with others to enjoy it. Playing alone is boring and completely mindless. However, with a group of people its great to build a chemistry together and hear a decent rendition of the song. Once you learn the boundaries of improvisation, incorporating it will spice up the song when playing in the jam mode.
All in all it is a decent game, but it feels like its missing something. I strongly, strongly advise avoiding the game if you don't have people to play it with, otherwise it makes for a unique and decent party game.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 19, 2008, 01:16:23 AM
I'd say the biggest thing I walked away with after tonight is the fact that you absolutely MUST play this game with others to enjoy it. Playing alone is boring and completely mindless. However, with a group of people its great to build a chemistry together and hear a decent rendition of the song. Once you learn the boundaries of improvisation, incorporating it will spice up the song when playing in the jam mode.
All in all it is a decent game, but it feels like its missing something. I strongly, strongly advise avoiding the game if you don't have people to play it with, otherwise it makes for a unique and decent party game.
In other words, it's Wii Sports except with music. Sounds like the game pretty much accomplishes what it was trying to do then. True it sucks that the game lacks options that could have made it better for some gamers, but in the overall picture, as a game that's suppose to be simple for an entire family to enjoy together, it accomplishes that.
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Post by: NWR_Lindy on October 19, 2008, 12:53:49 PM
Wii Sports has a huge amount of depth though, depth that Wii Music seems to lack from what I've read. It's that depth that makes Wii Sports so great.
GP: By Matt C. having the same tastes as me, I mean "traditional Nintendo games". The guy's all-time favorite game is Metroid Prime, 'nuff said.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on October 19, 2008, 07:59:16 PM
Wii Sports has a huge amount of depth though, depth that Wii Music seems to lack from what I've read. It's that depth that makes Wii Sports so great.
GP: By Matt C. having the same tastes as me, I mean "traditional Nintendo games". The guy's all-time favorite game is Metroid Prime, 'nuff said.
Well Silks, I think that in Wii Music the depth is experimenting in each song and how different can you make it sound with each different family of musical instruments.
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Post by: NWR_Lindy on October 19, 2008, 08:09:00 PM
Well Silks, I think that in Wii Music the depth is experimenting in each song and how different can you make it sound with each different family of musical instruments.
Good point. In that sense it is similar to a musical instrument, in that you can take it as far as you want it. You can bang around on it like a kid on pots and pans, or you can actually do your best and make it sound good.
Hmm, I guess the reason why it doesn't appeal to me is because I just like more structured game experiences with a clear reward/end goal. This is probably why I've never learned a musical instrument either...because I need that instant gratification.
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on October 20, 2008, 01:01:07 AM
Well Silks you really have to look at it in a different angle usually in music games you usually try to beat a predetermined score that would count someone "passing" the song and then mastering the song with a 5/5 stars, AAA(A), S rankings and so forth, the problem with that is that everything is predetermined and your trying to nail all the notes that developer wants you to nail.
Wii Music in a way is similar but executed in a way different manner, since the clear reward/end goal is really transparent. The goal of Wii Music is to make the song "sound good" or pleasant. But you don't have that much guidance or structure instead Wii Music invites people to find that structure and once you do find it, the player will be rewarded with a song that sounds right or awesome.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Ian Sane on October 20, 2008, 01:05:41 AM
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Sounds like the game pretty much accomplishes what it was trying to do then.
Did anyone think it wouldn't? I've had no interest in it since E3 but there was never any doubt in my mind that it wouldn't be a well made product. Nintendo doesn't make buggy unpolished crap. It's just a concept I could never like, targeted at a group I'm not a part of, using a game design philosophy I strongly disagree with. I'm sure High School Musical 3 accomplishes what it was trying to do as well but that doesn't mean it doesn't suck.
Though I find IGN's review too biased. It seems to be too much "SEE?! We told you it sucked!" I think their point of view would be better presented if they tried to appear more neutral. They don't seem to want to review the game but rather prove it sucks. The thing is even 1UP's review, which gives a good score, tells me enough to know the game is exactly what I thought it was and that I shouldn't get it. Any impressions I've read thus far are the same way whether the writer appears to like Wii Music or not. IGN could probably make the same points and give the same score but write it in a less biased manner and it would all make sense. And that would strengthen the credibility of the review. The irony is that by showing their bias they have hurt their argument.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on October 20, 2008, 06:10:53 AM
Sounds like the game pretty much accomplishes what it was trying to do then.
Though I find IGN's review too biased. It seems to be too much "SEE?! We told you it sucked!" I think their point of view would be better presented if they tried to appear more neutral. They don't seem to want to review the game but rather prove it sucks.
Ian that is too true just look at the video of Matt C.'s(the reviewer) rendition of the LOZ song where he clearly didn't try and compare it to the video of another IGN staffer that made the song sound pretty well.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 20, 2008, 06:21:35 AM
I think this is probably the best review of Wii Music so far.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27245453/
Yeah, that's an excellent review.
I'm still confused by one point though: does Wii Music allow you to change what notes you play, or does your controller input purely effect the rhythm?
Every review I've seen seems to sort of gloss over the fine details of the gameplay....
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Nick DiMola on October 21, 2008, 01:38:34 PM
Alright, my review is up for all to see. I gave it a 7 so, check it out.
In response to mac<censored>, you as the player control the rhythm, but if you improvise you are able to do stuff like bend notes or play crescendos or even sprinkle extra notes in the same key in between beats if you so desire. So it's kind of both.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Pale on October 21, 2008, 01:54:26 PM
I wish teh billeh would have done the review for Crispy Gamer... I'd love to hear his take.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: Nick DiMola on October 21, 2008, 02:01:12 PM
I never experienced this disconnect they mention...
Plus reading this review is like watching an episode of Family Guy. He needs to break every 5 seconds from the review itself to create some sort of "like" metaphor to garner a chuckle. It's actually pretty grating.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on October 21, 2008, 02:16:15 PM
Well I bought the game last night and played it for a few hours. It's a pretty fun title, of course I'm still getting used to everything. The learning curve in this game is quite high, and you really have to practice in order to make anything that sounds good.
Oh and unlike most of the reviews, I actually like the music in the game. The MIDI is SNES quality MIDI which sounds just fine to me, since most of the best videogame soundtracks were done on the SNES with music of the same quality as Wii Music.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 21, 2008, 03:53:21 PM
Did anyone else grab this game or rent it?
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Post by: blackfootsteps on October 21, 2008, 06:07:46 PM
holy christ! that was awesome! i'm glad they moved away from the "wii would like to play" style ads, this one was freakin epic..
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Post by: Stogi on October 22, 2008, 12:43:42 AM
Ya...........that was bad ass!
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Post by: vudu on October 22, 2008, 01:43:21 PM
Jeremy Parish has an excellent blog post on Wii Music. (http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=8919692&publicUserId=5379721)
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It's a good game that simply doesn't hold any interest for me, and I'm far beyond the point of expecting games to cater strictly to my interests or of forcing myself to try to enjoy things for which I have no taste. This is a good thing! It means that gaming has grown and diversified enough that no one need be expected to experience or appreciate everything to come down the pipeline.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: NWR_Lindy on October 22, 2008, 02:08:47 PM
If you're slamming Wii Music because it isn't Rock Band, you're reviewing it in the wrong context entirely.
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Post by: D_Average on October 23, 2008, 12:44:56 PM
I completely agree with Jeremy, Wii Music is a good product, its just not for me. Instead, it seems as if it will cater well to children and musical noobs. The fact that its coming from Nintendo is what has created all of the confusion. In due time the paradigm shift will occur, and forth coming products like this will not be the lightning rod of controversy Wii Music finds itself in (Did any of the Hot Wheels Fanboys complain when Mattel released Tickle Me Elmo?).
As far as all the low review scores, I have no problem with them. You have to know who your audience is, and let be honest, how many soccer moms read IGN, Giant Bomb, and NWR? Had all of these outlets given the game high scores it would have confused the hell out of the internet, possibly ruining it forever. The contextual reviews are better served in the NY Times, and Entertainment Weekly.
On a lighter note, anyone see the cheerleader review of Wii Music from Kotaku? I found her candid impressions pretty amusing. http://kotaku.com/5067711/the-nintendo-holiday-van-part-2-the-cheerleader
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Post by: BeautifulShy on October 23, 2008, 05:26:51 PM
66 instruments demonstrated (http://Http://wiifolder.com/?p=119) Remix process (http://Http://wiifolder.com/?p=120) Mode demonstration (http://Http://wiifolder.com/?p=121)
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Post by: BeautifulShy on October 23, 2008, 10:25:14 PM
The game has sold 92,000 units in its first week in Japan
Here are the sales (http://chartget.blogspot.com/2008/10/media-create-sales-1013-1019-software.html)
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 23, 2008, 10:47:12 PM
Best fad ever.
Title: Re: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 28, 2008, 02:37:42 PM
A comprehensive review (http://Http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=46816)
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Post by: LuigiHann on October 28, 2008, 03:03:42 PM
This game would be a million times better (and I mean that, a million) if it included the song creation feature from Mario Paint, so you could make your own songs and then perform them. As it stands, you're still acting as a cover band.
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Post by: D_Average on October 28, 2008, 03:59:37 PM
This game would be a million times better (and I mean that, a million) if it was just Mario Paint with the Wiimote.
Fixed. ;)
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on October 28, 2008, 05:09:53 PM
If anyone was wondering the game save is 53 blocks.
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Post by: Mario on November 13, 2008, 08:07:06 AM
Oh Emm Gee. This is so damn fun. I'm just playing daydream believer over and over. I've only got 5 songs but I don't care. Amazing. I'll never underestimate rhythm again.
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Post by: Mario on November 14, 2008, 12:07:36 AM
Anyone else have a problem with the timing of the drums and piano type instruments? It seems inconsistent. Hard to lay down a good beat or pattern.
I'm spending most of my time just jamming with the Saxophone / Clarinet / Recorder. It feels just like when I masturbate over a song playing my real instrument, and no i'm not talking about the skin flute.
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Post by: Mario on November 17, 2008, 04:29:28 AM
Holy **** the balance board drums are fucking amazing
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Post by: BeautifulShy on December 13, 2008, 11:53:12 AM
New Iwata asks interview. (http://Http://us.wii.com/iwata_asks/wii_music/vol3_page1.jsp)
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Post by: Kairon on December 13, 2008, 05:56:03 PM
This game would be a million times better (and I mean that, a million) if it included the song creation feature from Mario Paint, so you could make your own songs and then perform them. As it stands, you're still acting as a cover band.
That's a great idea. OMG. Wii Music 2.
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Post by: LuigiHann on December 15, 2008, 12:02:33 AM
I really wish there was some way we could bend time to get the game designers that worked at Nintendo in the 1990's to come back.
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Post by: IceCold on December 15, 2008, 12:58:30 AM
I'm pretty sure they could still do it now if they wanted to.
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Post by: Kairon on December 31, 2008, 06:06:09 PM
Man has anyone else gotten addicted to tracking down as many Wii Music videos as they can find?
I don't even have the game, but listening to people jamming to familiar songs is absolutely pleasant! Wii Music is the game I feel so absolutely guilty I didn't get last season. I REALLY wish I had it! I WANT TO SHARE IT WITH THE WORLD!!!! ...
The next game I am buying for myself is Wii Music. Mark my words.
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Post by: D_Average on December 31, 2008, 06:29:24 PM
Man has anyone else gotten addicted to tracking down as many Wii Music videos as they can find?
I don't even have the game, but listening to people jamming to familiar songs is absolutely pleasant! Wii Music is the game I feel so absolutely guilty I didn't get last season. I REALLY wish I had it! I WANT TO SHARE IT WITH THE WORLD!!!! ...
The next game I am buying for myself is Wii Music. Mark my words.
Hmmmm....I'm not convinced. Please send link to prove these sounds are pleasant..... 8)
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Post by: Kairon on December 31, 2008, 07:14:41 PM
Hmmmm....I'm not convinced. Please send link to prove these sounds are pleasant..... 8)
Well, I need to track down some of the awesome user-created stuff, but for now I think Nintendo's third Wii Music tip video is good. They demonstrate taking the russian folk song Troika, then adding latin drums... and then after that introducing some swing with a jazz sax by improvising off of the recommended melody! (after that he does some crazy stuff with changing the beat)
See it at yotube here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0tvyGffh48&feature=channel).
But I do think this acapella style Mario theme was user made: here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnC1tJH51IY).
And I realy enjoy it when I run across someone who re-interprets and rearrange the songs there, like La Bamba (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33AS2Zw7ATQ&feature=related).
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Post by: Kairon on December 31, 2008, 07:23:41 PM
There are even people making COMPLETELY original arrangements with Wii Music!
This guy, for example (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIZ0fmCDVZA&feature=PlayList&p=4F8C8006AC446E4B&index=4). That sounds NOTHING like wake me up before you go go...
And here's a neat rendition of Everywhere you go at youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgaJniVY7nA&feature=channel).
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 01, 2009, 11:59:13 AM
Dude! Get the game as soon as you can! I have a ton of videos I want to share!
Anyways, since you are interested in Wii Music videos, here is my rendition of "Jingle Bell Rock": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEN4-okAssk
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Post by: BeautifulShy on January 02, 2009, 12:53:15 PM
Pap I like that video alot.Oh I added a comment to your channel and subscribed.
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Post by: Kairon on January 02, 2009, 02:57:44 PM
I really like what you did with the three caballeros version of La Bamba pap!
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Post by: BeautifulShy on January 02, 2009, 03:34:08 PM
I found this topic over at vgchartz (http://Http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=46691)
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 02, 2009, 04:27:17 PM
I really qhat you did with the three caballeros version of La Bamba pap!
Thank you very much!
I admit its not as perfect as I wanted it to be. See, I really wanted all three singers to sing in near perfect unison, but I also wanted the singers so sound somewhat like their real world counterparts, so when I put the singer in the bass section his notes were different from the rest.
BTW, the bass singer is none other than Smash_Brother, while the singer on the right is me, pap64. Like the description said this was a birthday present to a really awesome friend of ours (that's him as the middle singer).
Since our friend is half Cuban and half Mexican I decided to pick "La Bamba" as the song, and picked me as the second latin member while S_B was the American and thus this is how the song was born.
Very happy to know you liked it! Thank you too Maxi for commenting and subscribing. Since I noticed the interest I will post more videos when I can.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 09, 2009, 01:42:38 AM
>> Wii Music (http://sixsidedvideo.com/media/wii/wiimusic.html) * 480p / 60fps Official trailer Wii Music Video - Animal Crossing by Deguello Wii Music Video - September by Deguello Wii Music Video - Troika by Deguello Wii Music Video - Animal Crossing by Mario Wii Music Video - Mute City Theme by Mario * starring NOA REGGIE Wii Music Video - Jingle Bell Rock by pap64 Twinkle Twinkle Nintendo demo 1 Twinkle Twinkle Nintendo demo 2 Twinkle Twinkle Nintendo demo 3
I'd like to see more user videos. Please send some [EVERYTHING] over if our Wii systems are registered.
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Post by: Kairon on January 09, 2009, 02:19:46 AM
Wow. Those totally ROCK GUYS!!!
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 09, 2009, 07:37:45 AM
>> Wii Music (http://sixsidedvideo.com/media/wii/wiimusic.html) * 480p / 60fps Official trailer Wii Music Video - Animal Crossing by Deguello Wii Music Video - September by Deguello Wii Music Video - Troika by Deguello Wii Music Video - Animal Crossing by Mario Wii Music Video - Mute City Theme by Mario * starring NOA REGGIE Wii Music Video - Jingle Bell Rock by pap64 Twinkle Twinkle Nintendo demo 1 Twinkle Twinkle Nintendo demo 2 Twinkle Twinkle Nintendo demo 3
I'd like to see more user videos. Please send some [EVERYTHING] over if our Wii systems are registered.
Sweet! Can you tell me which videos I sent you? "Jingle Bell Rock" I know I sent, but what others did you get?
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Post by: shammack on January 09, 2009, 07:52:56 AM
Wow, this game looks pretty fun.
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Post by: Mario on January 10, 2009, 08:56:19 PM
It's amazing fun, one of the best games on Wii and the most innovative game in a long time.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 15, 2009, 11:55:05 PM
http://wii.ign.com/articles/945/945586p1.html
Enjoy the bitter tears of phailure :)
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Post by: Kairon on January 16, 2009, 12:39:29 AM
Oh, I'm enjoying them all right. I can't wait until Wii Music officially crossed 1 million in the U.S. VG Chartz already has the game over 2 million worldwide!
... I can't wait to see Nintendo's shipment numbers for the game in their company financial reports... hehehe
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Post by: BeautifulShy on January 16, 2009, 01:12:07 AM
One of my friends got this game I'm gonna try it in the next few days.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 13, 2009, 12:59:39 PM
Ok the above post was a misunderstanding.It was another Music game.
I got this last night.I sent out a video to Pap and Bill.I didn't know Bill had this game.Thank you Pap for the videos.I liked Frank West and Zombies take on September.Also Jingle Bell Rock with Santa and Reindeer.Animal Crossing I liked as well.
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Post by: Kairon on February 28, 2009, 08:18:08 PM
I just got my first pay check from my new job today, so I picked this game up at an indie game store I found. I also picked up Hotd: Overkill... I'm having trouble deciding which one to play first...
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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 28, 2009, 08:27:29 PM
Where do you work Kairon? Flip a coin to decide on which game.
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Post by: King of Twitch on February 28, 2009, 10:26:11 PM
It must be a farm irrigation company; his tears could water all the cacti of Arizona.
No no no... He's a plant for Ubisoft at another forum. I guarantee it :) .
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Post by: King of Twitch on February 28, 2009, 11:14:48 PM
..he could refill all the canals on Mars!
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Post by: Mop it up on March 01, 2009, 12:02:04 AM
I'm really interested in this game, but I don't think anyone that I know would be into it. Is this game still worth it if you'll be playing mostly by yourself?
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on March 01, 2009, 12:28:14 AM
I'm really interested in this game, but I don't think anyone that I know would be into it. Is this game still worth it if you'll be playing mostly by yourself?
The game could be enjoyable by yourself but it's more of a multiplayer oriented game(or it feels like that). For single player you will get a lot out of it if you like making songs you want sound the best they could by experimenting with instruments and such.
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Post by: Kairon on March 01, 2009, 12:55:50 AM
I'm not going to have a lot of chances for multiplayer, so I definitely hope it's suitable for a single player.
Actually, I'm still waiting to be convinced that this is a multiplayer game. In single player you can create all six parts of one song, so the functionality is still there, and you can definitely jam to the game's AI tutes.
In my opinion this isn't turning out to be a multiplayer game, but a game for people who like to "play" with music.
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Post by: Kairon on March 01, 2009, 01:00:17 AM
BTW, impressions:
Omg this isn't a game. This isn't a toy. This is ART.
This is computer-assisted art. Or human-assisted-computer-art, depending on how you look at it.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 01, 2009, 03:56:45 PM
I'm really interested in this game, but I don't think anyone that I know would be into it. Is this game still worth it if you'll be playing mostly by yourself?
I recommend either renting it or buying it used or cheap. I personally love the game, but its one of those concepts you might either like or hate but won't know till you try it. So I recommend that you play it, but in the event that the game isn't for you its best for you to rent or buy cheap.
Kai, you gotta send me some songs! I will send you many of mine! :D
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Post by: Kairon on March 01, 2009, 04:07:10 PM
I'm really interested in this game, but I don't think anyone that I know would be into it. Is this game still worth it if you'll be playing mostly by yourself?
I recommend either renting it or buying it used or cheap. I personally love the game, but its one of those concepts you might either like or hate but won't know till you try it. So I recommend that you play it, but in the event that the game isn't for you its best for you to rent or buy cheap.
That's a good recommendation. There's really no precedent for Wii Music, the closest thing is Mario Paint composer, but not even that.
Kai, you gotta send me some songs! I will send you many of mine! :D
Next weekend. I'm no virtuoso, but I taking the core material and tweaking it in my own way... ^_^
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Post by: Mop it up on March 01, 2009, 04:30:26 PM
It's the free-form music composition which interests me. I have the MTV Music Generator for the PlayStation, which is a very technical tool and the actual creation of music is boring, it's the end result that's enjoyable. With Wii Music it looks like the actual composition is fun; are you sure this isn't a game?
However, this free-form composition probably means that it isn't as intricate as the MTV Music Generator, so I wonder if I could still compose the music I wanted. I haven't watched any videos of this game yet, so maybe I should start there.
I don't like renting games because I can't stand paying for something that I'm not going to own (one reason why I can't buy download games). It was already my intention to buy it used for cheap, although it could be a while before it goes down in price...
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Post by: Kairon on March 01, 2009, 05:09:40 PM
The thing about Wii Music is that you're actually NOT writing music. The music is there, you're just poking at it to change its shape based on what's already there.
Watch some music videos, yeah. That should give you a good idea of what the game can do. It isn't really about composition, it's about finding ways to stretch the music, and the algorithm that guesses at the notes when you want to do something unconventional.
If you think about it in terms of composition, it's quite limited. If you think about it in terms of "play," or "variation," then it starts to make more sense.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 01, 2009, 05:35:27 PM
Watch the videos ABOVE.
MUTE CITY
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Post by: Stogi on March 01, 2009, 06:41:36 PM
What Kairon said.
You can't really compose any music, but you can definitely rewrite it.
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Post by: Kairon on March 01, 2009, 06:54:26 PM
Can I send you music videos next weekend Pro?
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 01, 2009, 11:24:55 PM
Please do.
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Post by: Mop it up on March 02, 2009, 02:49:47 AM
Oh, so you can't compose music with it? Oh well, it still looks fun so I might have to buy it anyway.
Thank you for the info.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 08, 2009, 03:30:26 AM
Kairon: I just sent you a bunch of videos! Tell me what you think of them and send me your videos!
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Post by: Kairon on March 08, 2009, 04:53:07 AM
Kairon: I just sent you a bunch of videos! Tell me what you think of them and send me your videos!
Will do!
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Post by: BeautifulShy on March 08, 2009, 10:09:29 AM
Kairon thanks for the videos.I got my Wii to work for a while.Then it got the error message.At least I got some more music,instruments and stages.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 09, 2009, 01:25:44 AM
Kairon, I received your videos in the morning.
I really enjoyed them! To be honest, though, I liked your videos more when you actually tried to experiment with the song and the tune rather than having the tutes and the notes guide you through it. I think you did really good with your take on the Zelda theme with the trumpet.
I thought your take on "Daydream Believer" with the bells and cat suit was both great and adorable. It really made something like the cat suit play well against real instruments.
I also liked the video in which you were played both parts as the singer and had the tute play bass I believe.
Hope you send more videos my way!
What did you think of my videos? I had way too many, sorry if it cluttered your video library!
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 09, 2009, 01:39:29 AM
Oh and Pro, when do you plan to upload more videos? I want to see what others have made.
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Post by: Mop it up on March 09, 2009, 01:59:13 AM
Hey Pap64, I've watched a few of your videos on YouTube, and this game does look rather interesting. I don't mind so much about not being able to write your own music if there are lots of ways to remix the included tunes. This game still looks like fun and is becoming rather enticing...
So... how many tunes are included in Wii Music anyway?
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 09, 2009, 02:05:51 AM
Hey Pap64, I've watched a few of your videos on YouTube, and this game does look rather interesting. I don't mind so much about not being able to write your own music if there are lots of ways to remix the included tunes. This game still looks like fun and is becoming rather enticing...
So... how many tunes are included in Wii Music anyway?
50 songs.
Many of them are public domain songs. Keep in mind that when the game starts you only have 5 songs, and you will remix them over and over till the game tells you that you are good enough and gives you the other set.
This doesn't take long, though. This takes around an hour and that time is spent training so you understand what the game is all about. Once this is over you should have a better idea of what to do in the game.
The game has a lengthy and deep tutorial regarding the music genres and remixing tips. I think you could be a while in training (don't worry its all optional).
Thanks for watching my videos! I would upload more but I'm not happy with the quality.
Note that the game uses the Wii's own friend code, so if you ever get Wii Music make sure you have us registered as Wii friends.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on March 09, 2009, 02:18:35 AM
If you complete the lessons you get more songs,stages and instruments. To cut this question off at the pass there is 66 instruments and I believe 10 stages. To get a idea of the instruments that are in the game there is a video a few pages back called 66 instruments demonstrated that I posted. The video is on page 11 of this thread under default settings.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on March 09, 2009, 08:32:58 AM
Pap thanks for sending me your take on the Wii Music theme. I'm glad you included all the different Miis.Golden,Pro,Bill,Kairon,Me and yourself.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 09, 2009, 12:04:18 PM
I plan to upload more videos. I haven't had a chance to see if anything was sent to me this weekend.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 09, 2009, 01:00:29 PM
Pro, Max and Kai, listen up! Last night I made a special video for all of you. Check it out!
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 09, 2009, 01:15:34 PM
It'd better sound good =D
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 09, 2009, 01:26:07 PM
I can't promise that. I did it at 3:00 AM and I don't know if its good or not.
The one thing I can promise is that its filled with some NWR references. Just pay attention as to what instrument Kairon is playing ;) .
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Post by: BeautifulShy on March 09, 2009, 01:34:15 PM
Sigh I can't get the disk to read.Could you put it on youtube Pap?
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 09, 2009, 06:48:30 PM
Sigh I can't get the disk to read.Could you put it on youtube Pap?
We'll see, but I rather show it to you in the best resolution possible.
Bad digi cam footage + Low res YouTube resolution = ASS
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 10, 2009, 02:35:55 AM
I'll have a few videos online on Wednesday.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on March 10, 2009, 04:24:14 AM
Pap I got it to work but I didn't see your video.The most recent one from you that I got was the Wii Music one with Golden,Pro,Bill,Kairon,Me, and yourself.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 10, 2009, 05:14:34 AM
You'll just have to wait till it's up...
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 10, 2009, 01:31:41 PM
Pap I got it to work but I didn't see your video.The most recent one from you that I got was the Wii Music one with Golden,Pro,Bill,Kairon,Me, and yourself.
That's the one I recently sent! :p
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Post by: BeautifulShy on March 10, 2009, 01:36:37 PM
Oh! uh great job with it!
I liked the choices of instruments you gave everybody.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 11, 2009, 12:15:56 PM
>> Wii Music (http://sixsidedvideo.com/media/wii/wiimusic.html) * 480p / 60fps Wii Music Video - Wii Music by pap64 Wii Music Video - Sakura Sakura by Kairon Wii Music Video - The Legend of Zelda by Kairon
EAT EM UP
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Post by: bustin98 on March 11, 2009, 12:43:19 PM
LOL at whoever is the cheerleader in the Wii Music video.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 11, 2009, 12:51:31 PM
I really enjoyed them! To be honest, though, I liked your videos more when you actually tried to experiment with the song and the tune rather than having the tutes and the notes guide you through it. I think you did really good with your take on the Zelda theme with the trumpet.
I thought your take on "Daydream Believer" with the bells and cat suit was both great and adorable. It really made something like the cat suit play well against real instruments.
I also liked the video in which you were played both parts as the singer and had the tute play bass I believe.
Hope you send more videos my way!
What did you think of my videos? I had way too many, sorry if it cluttered your video library!
Haha! Thanks Pap! You know, all of your videos were SO PROFESSIONAL. You arranged all the Miis and all the parts sounded rehearsed and planned and in place, nary is a wrong note heard!
My music videos are all so slapdash in comparison. Even the ones I like best I can hear parts where I should probably go in and give it a better performance or play this note or timing differently. *sigh* I think the Flea Waltz one I made is the least "dirty" of my Wii music performances....
I think my music videos show that I like Wii music best when I can really find a good angle to "play with the music." Whether that means finding different timings that still capture the spirit, as with the Zelda piece or Sakura piece, or just completely stripping the piece down and seeing what emerges like in the Sukiyaki one.
As for your videos... I think I'm in love with the "I've never been to me" one. That one makes me happy, lol. Oh by the way, the Frank West one? With the zombies? Genius. And your turkey in the straw one is another one of my faves for its entrance, but also its calm simplicity. Your videos, apart from being impeccably performed, all have such amazing instrumentation, you've found wonderful combinations that don't just work, they also sound suspiciously natural.
*looks at Pap's latest video* Oh wow? Sophia's All Stars? Lol!
You know, so many of your videos revolved around AC or Wii Music that I desperately want those songs unlocked in mine now.
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Post by: Kairon on March 12, 2009, 02:09:14 AM
Oh, and dog and accordion? Flea Waltz? Genius.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 12, 2009, 02:57:05 AM
I really enjoyed them! To be honest, though, I liked your videos more when you actually tried to experiment with the song and the tune rather than having the tutes and the notes guide you through it. I think you did really good with your take on the Zelda theme with the trumpet.
I thought your take on "Daydream Believer" with the bells and cat suit was both great and adorable. It really made something like the cat suit play well against real instruments.
I also liked the video in which you were played both parts as the singer and had the tute play bass I believe.
Hope you send more videos my way!
What did you think of my videos? I had way too many, sorry if it cluttered your video library!
Haha! Thanks Pap! You know, all of your videos were SO PROFESSIONAL. You arranged all the Miis and all the parts sounded rehearsed and planned and in place, nary is a wrong note heard!
My music videos are all so slapdash in comparison. Even the ones I like best I can hear parts where I should probably go in and give it a better performance or play this note or timing differently. *sigh* I think the Flea Waltz one I made is the least "dirty" of my Wii music performances....
I think my music videos show that I like Wii music best when I can really find a good angle to "play with the music." Whether that means finding different timings that still capture the spirit, as with the Zelda piece or Sakura piece, or just completely stripping the piece down and seeing what emerges like in the Sukiyaki one.
As for your videos... I think I'm in love with the "I've never been to me" one. That one makes me happy, lol. Oh by the way, the Frank West one? With the zombies? Genius. And your turkey in the straw one is another one of my faves for its entrance, but also its calm simplicity. Your videos, apart from being impeccably performed, all have such amazing instrumentation, you've found wonderful combinations that don't just work, they also sound suspiciously natural.
*looks at Pap's latest video* Oh wow? Sophia's All Stars? Lol!
You know, so many of your videos revolved around AC or Wii Music that I desperately want those songs unlocked in mine now.
Thanks a lot for the really nice comments! Its great to hear comments from other players, especially since I've encountered very few of them and Wii Music is about sharing creations and exchanging ideas.
Funny enough, I've never truly pleased with my videos. I've always hear some stuff that I am not happy with. Its very rare that I get it on the first try. But the best are those that I kept hammering till the very end and ended up with something I am pleased with.
One thing I like to do is that I create small stories around them. In other words, I want to explain people why the characters are there and are playing that song.
Here's an example: "Oh Christmas Tree" piano: The story is that a young boy receives a toy piano for Christmas. As he grows older, he gets a second piano and as an adult he is a piano master, and on Christmas Eve he creates a miracle and performs a song with the ghosts of his past.
Frank West and friends sing "September": I loved the track in "Elite Beat Agents". I just thought it was a happy track, so I thought I would have characters from a dark game perform a very happy tune.
"Oh my darling Clementine": This is perhaps the most Puertorican piece in the game. What I did is use instruments commonly used at Puertorican parties (guitar, bongos, maybe an accordion, a trumpet and there's always someone clapping along). At the end I had the clapper clap in joy (I was lucky that the camera panned on him for better effect). The stomping sound was also well placed.
The Flea Waltz with dog and accordion: The story is that a cruel dog owner takes his dog to the park and forces him to sing in order to get money. Fact: That's actually Smash_Brother in the dog costume :) .
Joker and friends sing "Every breath you take": The original song was deemed very weird and spooky, especially since the lyrics make it seem like the singer is obsessed with someone. It made more than enough sense that a dark character would sing a creepy song, so I chose the Joker. He's pretty much telling Batman/Bruce Wayne that he''ll be watching every move, breath and step he makes, waiting to attack.
"I've never been to me" video: This is actually a tribute to "Total Drama Island", a show on Cartoon Network. I know its a pretty crappy show, but me and my nephew were hooked on it, especially when it was nearing its end. We talked about the pairing of Gwen and Trent, so I dreamed up this idea that Gwen is singing to Trent while he provides the guitar (an instrument he plays in the series) and as a bonus I had Owen (the fat guy who wins the competition) play piano.
"La cucaracha" by the Chowder cast: Its me and my nephew's favorite show, and it actually incorporates many musical elements, so it made sense to download and create Miis based off the characters and since the show is about food and wacky humor I put them on the cake.
"Turkey in the straw": The story behind this one is that a brand is traveling home from a concert and they get really bored. So, one of the members encourages them to stand up and play something to pass the time and have fun. So that's why it has a slow start, but has a strong finish.
"Wii Music" by Jesus: I DID NOT MAKE THIS. My nephew Jesus did (and yes this is a common name in Latin America). I was stunned at how EVERYTHING, even the rapper and beat boxer fit perfectly with the calypso. That's why I send it to everyone because its an amazing example of how someone with little music training can create a great performance in Wii Music.
Oh yes, I didn't mean to have the band called "Sophia all stars". Its an annoying problem in that the game names the band according to the last member that played. Ideally it should be "NWR all stars". It features the few members who actually defended Wii Music and enjoyed it for what it was.
Thanks for the comments!
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Post by: Kairon on March 12, 2009, 03:03:18 AM
Wait a sec! You didn't send me la cucaracha!
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Post by: Kairon on March 12, 2009, 03:05:11 AM
Nor Wii Music by Jesus.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 12, 2009, 03:11:09 AM
I swore I did... Anyways, they will have to wait. My nephew borrowed Wii Music for the weekend.
Its a shame, though. The Wii Music one was great.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 17, 2009, 01:01:25 PM
Aww so no videos this weekend?
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 17, 2009, 01:30:56 PM
I got my copy of the game back, so i I have some videos I haven't sent will do now.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 18, 2009, 12:23:13 AM
OK Kairon, I sent you the missing videos. Plus I sent you a "noise maker" video for the lulz and phail, and I sent you, Maxi and Pro some very special videos. One might make you chuckle, the other might you tear up a bit since its a tribute to a great man.
ENJOY!
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 18, 2009, 12:37:14 AM
... Reggie?
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Post by: BeautifulShy on March 18, 2009, 01:02:44 AM
I got the videos Pap and I watched them.I can tell that you like the NES controller.Miyamoto's "I'll be there" was nice. Your videos are so organized and sounds good. I need some tips on how you did it.I made a few vids but I'm not really happy with them. There is one that I am somewhat ok with if you want to give me some pointers on that one.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 18, 2009, 01:28:36 AM
The NES controller is easily the best instrument in the whole game.
The best pointer I can give you is to think ahead; plan what you want to do with the song (which includes everything from instruments and speed to Mii placement). Then "rehearse" the song, try different instruments and place different notes outside of the chart. Once you nail a style you like record the song, trying again if you mess up.
This is the best advice I can give you. Just have fun creating and you will create something you like.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 20, 2009, 12:40:57 AM
So, did Pro enjoy Daisy doing her stuff? :p
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 20, 2009, 01:33:15 AM
Some of those notes didn't fall into place right =\ Maybe a redux is in order, cuz I'd like to upload that song/setting.
Thanks for sending these over.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 20, 2009, 01:40:50 AM
Some of those notes didn't fall into place right =\ Maybe a redux is in order, cuz I'd like to upload that song/setting.
Thanks for sending these over.
Thank you for noticing that. I admit I made these pretty late at night so maybe I did mess up on some notes.
I'll check it out tomorrow when I am well rested.
In what part of the song did you hear the notes?
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Post by: Mop it up on March 24, 2009, 08:00:59 PM
The other day I was in the store with the intention of buying Pikmin, but then I saw this at the end of the aisle and decided to give it a go instead.
I know other people here have already said this, but still, why have people hated on this game so much? Has this game ever promised to be anything other than a simple music game designed for the rest of us non-musically inclined people? You have your Guitar Hero and your Rock Band and all of the various installments, Wii Music is all we have! Quit hatin' on us! :'(
In any case, even at this game I'm pretty bad. :( Though if I actually recognized some of the music in the game it might help. At least the game doesn't tell me I suck like a certain other music game...
Anyways, if anyone here would like to exchange Wii console numbers so we could send videos to one another, feel free to PM me with your number. Since I just got it I don't know how long it might be before I create anything decent, and I also might be tone-deaf... not sure on that one...
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Post by: BeautifulShy on March 24, 2009, 11:37:01 PM
Mop_it_up I'll send you my code when I get my Wii from repairs.I am waiting on the labels.Should get them in the next few days. If I get them soon I should have my Wii back around the beginning of the month.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on April 25, 2009, 03:54:43 AM
So I sent Pro,Pap and Kairon a video. It is of F-Zero. I hope that you guys like it. Mop it up I have a video in mind for you but I don't have the song unlocked yet.
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Post by: Mop it up on April 25, 2009, 04:28:32 AM
I haven't touched this game in a couple of weeks, I need to get back into it. Expect a video using the flute-type instruments because I find it easier to time notes using the buttons than the motions. :-\
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Post by: Kairon on February 14, 2010, 03:51:05 PM
Epic thread bump for my Wii Music love.
Oh, hey guys. My Wii broke around Mid 2009 and I lost ALL my Wii Music library! T_T Also, my Wii System Code changed.
First off, can I get everyone to re-add my up-to-date system code? It's 4780 7446 5312 7385.
Second, can anyone, Pro, Pap64, anyone, re-send me any of my old videos that you have? I miss them... and send me all of yoour favorites too!
Thirdly...if you add me, check again in a couple of days for Wii Music videos of dogs and cats, bells, galactic guitars, and a Zelda Taiko-Dulcimer duo!
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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 14, 2010, 03:56:56 PM
Oh, hey guys. My Wii broke around Mid 2009 and I lost ALL my Wii Music library! T_T Also, my Wii System Code changed.
First off, can I get everyone to re-add my up-to-date system code? It's 4780 7446 5312 7385.
Second, can anyone, Pro, Pap64, anyone, re-send me any of my old videos that you have? I miss them... and send me all of yoour favorites too!
Thirdly...if you add me, check again in a couple of days for Wii Music videos of dogs and cats, bells, galactic guitars, and a Zelda Taiko-Dulcimer duo!
I think I have your new number added. Its the one that I entered for the Clandestine Claws event correct? I'll send over any songs that I have from you Kai.
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Post by: Kairon on February 14, 2010, 04:13:36 PM
Yup. Thanks Maxi!
I'll send you my latest batch of experiments now too.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 14, 2010, 04:16:22 PM
Alright Kai I sent over the songs that you sent me including 2 others. One was from Pap64 and one was from me. Mine was F-Zero and Pap64 was I believe Wii Music. It is the one with me,Pap64,Golden Phoenix,Bill Aurion and you.
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Post by: Kairon on February 14, 2010, 04:22:14 PM
The one with me as a cheerleader?
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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 14, 2010, 04:23:46 PM
Yes that one.
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Post by: Kairon on February 14, 2010, 04:35:39 PM
Thank you Maxi! I now no longer have to visit Pro66/Daisy's video site to listen to my trumpet rendition of Zelda!
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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 14, 2010, 04:47:02 PM
No problem Kai.:)
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Post by: Mop it up on February 14, 2010, 05:47:31 PM
Kairon, I'm pretty sure we exchanged numbers around Secret Santa time, so we should have each other. You could send me some of your videos if you wanted, I wouldn't mind. I've played this game maybe twice, so I could use an excuse to get into it. Who knows, maybe I'll even send you a poorly-timed video and show you just how poor things can get when someone with no musical talent is the composer! :)
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 14, 2010, 10:41:23 PM
Does Miyamoto still reaffirm that Wii Music is coming along?
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Post by: ThomasO on February 14, 2010, 10:58:34 PM
Hey Kai, mind if I send you some of my music later?
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Post by: Kairon on February 14, 2010, 11:42:59 PM
Sure ThomasO! Let's exchange Wii System Codes so we can do that.
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Post by: Kytim89 on February 15, 2010, 12:43:23 AM
I was going to buy wii music for $20 at some local second hand retail store called"Book and Music Exchange" and I was seconds from buying the game when the store clerk talked me out of it by saying that the game was a poor game. So I put the game back and almost got Trauma Center for the wii, but instead I decided to save my money for Red Steel 2.
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Post by: Mop it up on February 15, 2010, 03:21:32 AM
That's probably for the better. If you let other people determine your game purchases then you probably wouldn't like Wii Music.
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Post by: Kytim89 on February 15, 2010, 11:56:33 AM
I thought wow, a Nintendo wii game for twenty dollars.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 15, 2010, 05:32:13 PM
This game would probably have done much better if Nintendo had bundled some music peripherals with it. Just like those things that come with Guitar Hero or Rockband.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 15, 2010, 05:45:59 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rzF_eaXy45c
I found this a few mins ago. It is Drum mode the song is one of the water levels from Donkey Kong Country.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 11, 2010, 01:37:10 PM
Just a warning, I will add one more Music Video after reviewing the replays Kairon sent me.
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Post by: Dirk Temporo on March 11, 2010, 10:27:33 PM
People still care about this game???
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Post by: ThomasO on November 02, 2010, 12:03:18 AM
Bump, but not as epic as Kairon's.
I posted two of my performances in Wii Music on Youtube after getting a video converter for my comp:
My Grandfather's Clock, ver. 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqXg1LGagsM Frére Jacques: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZGEZrUhjMY
Hope you guys like them.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 02, 2010, 01:25:25 AM
The reason this game flopped is a combination of the fact that all the songs are either Nintendo songs or public domains songs, and also because you use the Wiimote as the musical instrument. Were you able to use a guitar or anything else, and if the music included popular modern rock music then the game might have done better.
It doesn't happen often, but this here is an example of 3rd parties doing a genre of gaming better than Nintendo themselves.
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Post by: Mop it up on November 02, 2010, 01:37:53 AM
This game sold 2.65 million copies. If that's a flop, so is all but eight of the games released on the PS3.
Wii Music was not intended for the crowd that plays Guitar Hero and related games, and that's something most people in the gaming media did not understand. It was intended for people with no musical knowledge to be able to pick up the Wii Remote and make music, just by moving. It does this well. The problem is, this gives it limited appeal, since even someone with very basic musical knowledge (such as myself) will find it to be shallow and wear thin fast.
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Post by: Ian Sane on November 02, 2010, 06:15:29 PM
What was frustrating about Wii Music is that of the initial concepts for the Wii that were revealed this sounded like one of the most promising. We all let our minds wander not just to a Guitar Hero style rhythm game but also a music creator as well, like a more advanced Mario Paint. The potential was huge and we got excited. The problem was Nintendo wasn't aiming this at core gamers or musicians. This was for casuals. It had a limited scope and was aimed at a very specific audience of which we, who had designed our own very cool Wii Music in our minds, were not part of.
Wii Music also suffered from very unfortunate release timing. At E3 it received the most attention and core gamers were PISSED. You would figure this was a PR goof on Nintendo's part. Gamers pay attention to E3, casuals don't. So it doesn't make sense to give a casual game so much attention. But that Christmas Nintendo had NOTHING ELSE. THAT was the problem. We expected some big game for Christmas and this was IT. And it wasn't for us in the first place. So from a gamer perspecitve Nintendo, and thus the Wii itself, really had nothing for Christmas at all and that did not go over well. Nintendo also had Animal Crossing but that was pretty much NPC Animal Crossing, not enough of a new game to appease gamers who already had the Cube or DS version. Was that Nintendo not really "getting" their audience? I think it might be just that they knew they had nothing for that Christmas so they pushed hard whatever they did have.
Wii Party doesn't interest me at all and it recently came out. Nintendo is probably hoping it's a big Christmas seller with the casual market like they hoped for Wii Music. It is of no concern to me because I have DKC this Christmas. Core gamers have something to look forward to so Wii Party's release is largely irrelevant. Wii Music needed its DKC. That year the Wii needed its DKC.
Wii Music reminds me a lot of Luigi's Mansion. That is not a bad game but it is a pretty short shallow game. It's a good rental. The problem was it was the flagship launch game on the Gamecube and in that role it was inadequate. So the game got a lot of flack. It isn't so much the game that was the problem it was a weak Gamecube launch lineup. Wii Music wasn't the problem, the lack of a big Christmas title was. Wii Music became the symbol of a disappointing E3 and a disappointing Christmas season for the Wii. And then you combine that with the fantasy game we all invented in our heads and how Nintendo intentionally did not make Wii Music that game and it was just a perfect storm of backlash.
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Post by: Mop it up on November 02, 2010, 06:57:02 PM
It's a shame everyone seems to overlook Wario Land Shake It!, which released close enough to holiday 2008 to be a part of it. That game was amazing.
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Post by: Stratos on November 02, 2010, 07:02:05 PM
Yeah, Wario Land was that season's DKC I would argue.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on November 03, 2010, 09:46:06 AM
This game sold 2.65 million copies. If that's a flop, so is all but eight of the games released on the PS3.
Maybe Choze meant compared to other games in the "Wii ..." series, all of which sold better (except Wii Chess, but that was only released as a retail game in Europe, as a WiiWare game in Japan, and not at all in North America yet). As you pointed out though, in overall terms it can not be considered a flop unless you want to consider 99% of all PlayStation 3 games to be flops.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 03, 2010, 11:52:33 AM
I meant it was a critical flop.
The game may have sold millions of copies, but it was a first party Nintendo game created by the legendary Miyamoto himself. There was no excuse for it to have been as mediocre as it was. But like I said, the Wiimote makes a terrible musical instrument, and Nintendo had no problems creating and bundling plastic shell peripherals for other games (the Zapper, Wii Wheel, etc.) so Wii Music should have had something like that bundled in with it. The game should also have been more like Mario Paint's music thing, where you have more options to play around with and you would be allowed to compose your own music. That's what Wii Music should have been, and with Miyamoto directly involved we all expected the best but it didn't happen.
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Post by: Stratos on November 03, 2010, 02:37:41 PM
It was a flop in Nintendo's eyes. They put a ton of marketing behind the game that Christmas and it still only pushed that many units.
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Post by: Mop it up on November 03, 2010, 06:00:57 PM
I'd like to see an article where Nintendo claims the game was a flop. As far as I know, they never expected it to sell anywhere near the amount of Wii Sports and Wii Fit. Miyamoto was quoted as saying the game wouldn't be an immediate hit, Nintendo recognized it'd be a hard game to sell, and Cammie Dunaway said they expected it to be an evergreen title that would go on to sell on par with the Brain Age game on the Wii (which sold 2.26 million). I think the game performed how they expected, and people just say it was a flop or failure because that's what they want it to be.
As for the game being mediocre, I think people just say that it's mediocre because it isn't what they wanted. The few critics who gave the game high marks seemed to understand the game's appeal. It's understandable to be disappointed in the game though, because its limited scope means it didn't live up to its potential, but Miyamoto never intended it to be that game.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 05, 2011, 04:15:12 PM
It's not like Wii Sports was about being career athletes. An extraordinary KILLER APP where you play as You or Mii.
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Post by: Guitar Smasher on January 05, 2011, 04:23:12 PM
I'd like to see an article where Nintendo claims the game was a flop. As far as I know, they never expected it to sell anywhere near the amount of Wii Sports and Wii Fit. Miyamoto was quoted as saying the game wouldn't be an immediate hit, Nintendo recognized it'd be a hard game to sell, and Cammie Dunaway said they expected it to be an evergreen title that would go on to sell on par with the Brain Age game on the Wii (which sold 2.26 million). I think the game performed how they expected, and people just say it was a flop or failure because that's what they want it to be.
I don't know what Nintendo's true expectations for the game were, but for sure it was a missed opportunity. It was the holiday title that fit the 'nontraditional game' category that was supposed to follow the trend of million-selling evergreen phenomena. If Nintendo only thought of it as a modest title, then it should have been replaced by a bigger title, and saved for use as filler during a slow period.
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Post by: Mop it up on January 05, 2011, 06:44:17 PM
I think Nintendo were in a tough spot during that holiday, they didn't have much else to release so they had no choice but to put out Wii Music and hope for the best.
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Post by: Stratos on January 05, 2011, 08:19:13 PM
Wasn't that around the time that Fatal Frame 4 was coming? Perhaps they had banked on that filling in the lineup more but its development issues threw off Nintendo's plans. Don't forget there was Disaster as well. One or two bungled titles can make or break Nintendo's lineup when they release as few as they do during a year.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 06, 2011, 12:06:12 PM
It was the time when Wii Sports Resort could've been rushed for the holidays, after being shown at E3 2008.
