Post by: Smash_Brother on December 20, 2006, 06:29:25 AM
Around the time Nintendo releases the Wii firmware update which officially activates the two USB 2.0 ports on the back of the Wii, a press release will come out regarding the partnering of Nintendo and Apple to bring iTunes and iPod support to the Wii.
The circumstantial evidence:
1. All new iPods utilize USB 2.0. Iwata was once quoted as stating that most USB storage devices would indeed work with the Wii. Logically speaking, the ability to use iPods as storage devices for Wiis would work extremely well.
2. Nintendo has been flattering Apple recently, not only with the designs of their products but also with Reggie's comments about the iPod, Apple's ingenuity and how Nintendo hopes to accomplish the same feat with the Wii.
3. The Wii supports Quick Time media formats, something which requires the licensing of Apple's proprietary codecs to do. By contrast, neither the 360 or PS3 support Quick Time movies. This means that Nintendo and Apple have already sat down at the bargaining table at least once. Is there a second shoe waiting to drop?
4. Both the Virtual Console and the iTunes Music Store use the Akamai file distribution software to download media. This means that the infrastructure necessary to download iTunes media is already present on the Wii with BOTH Akamai support AND QT media formats for mp3s and movies.
5. It's a win-win, especially with MS and Sony each trying to push their mp3 players and services on their respective consoles. This way, Apple gains a spot at the console table and isn't left out of that market and Nintendo offers the largest mp3/movie download network on their console so they don't miss out on a selling feature their competitors offer.
I think it'll happen simply because it makes more sense to have it happen than not: Apple sells more movies/music and Nintendo gains even more non-gamer appeal and will no doubt receive money for music/movie sales as well.
Now we just need to wait a few months to see what happens...
Post by: The Omen on December 20, 2006, 06:39:17 AM
I especially like the Quick Time/Akamia connection. Good stuff.
Post by: UERD on December 20, 2006, 06:42:26 AM
I know Apple has that iTV media streaming box thing in the works...maybe there'll be some sort of connectivity there?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 20, 2006, 06:44:50 AM
Nintendo Wii = $250
iTunes movie download = $9.99(?)
Downloading that movie from iTunes through your Wii onto your iPod and watching it from the comfort of your own couch on the bigscreen TV = PRICELESS
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 20, 2006, 06:45:34 AM
Not saying that your logic is bad, I think it really good and the points are good, but the final decisions are in the hands of the Apple and Nintendo reps, and sometimes their views aren't the same as ours.
Post by: Arbok on December 20, 2006, 06:50:01 AM
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iTunes movie download = $9.99(?)
More like $13-15, at which point you just might as well get the DVD.
Anyway nice research SB, it sounds like a good theory and I would like to see it happen, even if I would likely never use the service... however, being able to just hook up my iPod, for use on game soundtracks that support it, would be ideal.
Post by: decoyman on December 20, 2006, 06:51:45 AM
If it DOES happen, I'll kick myself for selling off my iPod.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 20, 2006, 06:51:59 AM
This could be the "WIN" button that Nintendo is looking to push, as far as casual & non-gamers are concerned.
edit: Now if only the Wii could produce higher resolution output even if only for video playback. The component cables are there, but is the box capable? It should be with a firmware update.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 20, 2006, 06:55:43 AM
Post by: JonLeung on December 20, 2006, 06:57:24 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 20, 2006, 07:02:02 AM
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All of your reasoning makes perfect sense. I actually believe it'll happen as well, because while Apple will likely never release a home console, Sony and MS are constantly trying to steal some of Apples home electronic market. This gives Apple an inside avenue into video games, at least supporting an opponent of it's main competition.
From a business perspective, it's not logical or financially sound for Apple to attempt to release a home console to compete on that front with Sony and MS.
It's also not logical or sound for Nintendo to release an mp3 player and their own music/movie download service to compete with Sony and MS with their movie/music download services.
It makes an immense amount of sense for the most casual friendly mp3 player manufacturer/online media vendor to partner with the most casual friendly console maker to provide support for each other's hardware and services.
And like I said, they've clearly already been in talks with each other, evidenced by the QT codec on the Wii...
Post by: TrueNerd on December 20, 2006, 07:03:42 AM
Edit: LOVE the avatar, S_B.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 20, 2006, 07:06:24 AM
I ask because they need a lot of planning and money in order to make the upgrade and add the iTunes channel. If they need to spend that type of time and money on it, you need to see if its worth doing first.
Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if Reggie threatened to Reggi-nate all of Apple if they didn't pledge Wii support...
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This would be one of the smartest moves Nintendo has ever made, which is why I'm almost sure it won't happen.
BINGO!
The piss poor VC support along with the delayed Wii channels are proof that Nintendo has dropped the ball on these type of decisions. Even if they did do it I would bet ANYTHING that they will constantly delay it and when its released it will be very poor.
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 20, 2006, 07:13:19 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64 I ask because they need a lot of planning and money in order to make the upgrade and add the iTunes channel. If they need to spend that type of time and money on it, you need to see if its worth doing first.
Umm, no they DON'T.
The strongest point in my argument is that it DOESN'T cost them much money and support for the SAME download service that iTunes uses has already been written for the Wii.
The Wii is running on an iteration of PowerPC hardware, the same hardware which has been in every Apple product for years and years. Plus, the Wii channel menu is really just a java interface anyway and writing a java-based iTunes client would be cake. Plus, Apple's media is already supported by the Wii.
The pieces all fit: the only remaining question is if Apple and Nintendo have actually done this or not.
January 11th is the next Macword where Stevey Q. Jobs will take the stage and announce new Apple doings. I say Jan 11th will be MEGATOOOOOOON day.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 20, 2006, 07:19:46 AM
THURSDAYTOOOOOOON!!!!!!!!
COMING SOON...............2007
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 20, 2006, 07:19:51 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherJanuary 11th is the next Macword where Stevey Q. Jobs will take the stage and announce new Apple doings. I say Jan 11th will be MEGATOOOOOOON day.
And that megaton will be...MEGATON SUPPORT FOR THE APPLE COMPUTERS AND IPODS!
Seriously, I doubt this will happen now. I ain't saying this won't happen, but it certainly won't happen now.
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 20, 2006, 07:23:06 AM
6. (maybe) Nintendo will no doubt need a form of external storage for the Wii if they plan to utilize games with downloadable content, larger VC games, etc. iPods are already very common and tend to hold 1-60GB of data. Nintendo may or may not decide to do this, but leaving the amount of storage desired up to the customer makes LOADS of sense, considering they may already own an iPod and don't want to buy an additional external device for storage.
But making the iPod the ideal choice for a Wii memory card would put Nintendo WAAY ahead in the non-gamer area, especially if you can use the media on that iPod on the Wii in the form of customizable sountracks and watching movies.
Post by: The Omen on December 20, 2006, 07:27:04 AM
The WiiPod? Perhaps...
Post by: Rhoq on December 20, 2006, 07:28:44 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 20, 2006, 07:33:49 AM
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My only concern is that if this does indeed become true (and I wouldn't be surprised if it happens), that Nintendo plays it smart and takes into consideration that not everyone who own an iPod has it formatted for Windows. I hope the Wii will be able to read the HFS+ file structure from MacOS-X.
I'm sure it would support both formats.
When Iwata said that he expected the Wii to be able to support most USB devices, I'm quite certain that they understand this means supporting the file formats of these USB devices beforehand.
SD cards can already be plugged into computers and their contents accessed (Cap does this all the time), which means that VC roms can be copied to PCs already. There's no reason for them to not allow the same to be true of USB external storage devices, iPods included.
Post by: couchmonkey on December 20, 2006, 07:58:26 AM
Of course, none of that means that this won't happen, it's a pretty logical thing to do.
Post by: capamerica on December 20, 2006, 08:16:03 AM
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Quick, someone make a silhouetted video (iPod style!) of playing the Wii and then using an iPod.
Full Size - 1024x768
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 20, 2006, 08:16:20 AM
Post by: Rhoq on December 20, 2006, 08:22:56 AM
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[I'm sure it would support both formats.
When Iwata said that he expected the Wii to be able to support most USB devices, I'm quite certain that they understand this means supporting the file formats of these USB devices beforehand.
SD cards can already be plugged into computers and their contents accessed (Cap does this all the time), which means that VC roms can be copied to PCs already. There's no reason for them to not allow the same to be true of USB external storage devices, iPods included.
SD Cards don't have to be formatted before they can be used. Unfortunately, formatting for an iPod's HDD is not universal.
Post by: IceCold on December 20, 2006, 08:33:51 AM
Here it is - I guess not; apparently your friend capamerica did. I still think there's another one out there, but I just haven't found it yet.
Interestingly enough, Black Griffen brought up this idea way back in May 2005. He was also the one who more or less predicted the Virtual Console. Too bad he left..
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 20, 2006, 08:34:56 AM
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SD Cards don't have to be formatted before they can be used. Unfortunately, formatting for an iPod's HDD is not universal.
Oh, I wasn't implying that they needed to be.
I was saying that Nintendo might have insisted that all USB devices have their proprietary HD format to prevent people from moving VC roms to PCs except that they can already do this via SD cards so the protective measure would be unnecessary, meaning that Nintendo would have no reason to NOT support the file formats on iPods.
And the Quicktime codec is the HARD part. iPod support is duck soup in comparison to the licensing and porting of the codec.
Ice, yeah, threads have existed, but this is my personal prediction that it WILL happen.
Post by: capamerica on December 20, 2006, 08:37:03 AM
All the Mac users I know format their external drives as FAT32 cause it allows them to move between Mac and PC.
PCs can't use HFS and Macs can only read NTFS.
Post by: Pittbboi on December 20, 2006, 09:04:11 AM
So please, don't jinx this...
Anywho, I'm not so sure about this. Don't get me wrong: Any support is better than no support, and Nintendo certainly hs been trying to follow in Apple's footsteps as of late. So if this happens it wouldn't be a bad thing. Just, how much of a good thing would this be? What could you do with iTunes on Wii that you couldn't do with a computer in a more straightforward manner? iPods are cool and all but are they versatile enough? I have a 60gb ipod video, and its pretty much just about full with music and videos that I already have, and they're not that speedy, so if this is Nintendo's hard drive solution I'm going to be a bit disappointed.
-And watching ipod movies on tv through the Wii would not be a good idea. Picture quality is tailored for the iPod's small screen. The movie would look like crap on a tv
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 20, 2006, 09:19:29 AM
As for HD solutions, it seems that they wanted a variety of USB storage devices to work and it seems only logical that the iPod be included in that list because it's an immensely common consumer electronic which is used by the same non-gamer crowd Nintendo wants to attract.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 20, 2006, 10:00:22 AM
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Post by: Requiem on December 20, 2006, 10:20:43 AM
The most intriguing thing to me, besides the ability to play music from you Wii, is the potential to play music or transfer music in-game. For instance, imagine playing Animal Crossing and being able to turn on your pocket radio. Once activated you can scroll through and access all your music files and play whatever you see fit. Hell, you can even through a "concert" with some music you and your buddies recorded and have an event in your town.
Music is the most liked quantity in the world, and allowing people to share their own with the world would be amazing. Sure there might be some issues that comes about with P2P, but this is a game, a game where you can literally meet people and trade music.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 20, 2006, 10:20:45 AM
), so I decided to stay neutral for now.It may happen and the points posted are logical, but it doesn't mean that it will happen now. In fact, I still see this happening either late 2007 or early 2008 as I still believe that Apple needs to be a rock solid user base online before putting the effort into it.
Post by: The Omen on December 20, 2006, 10:21:19 AM
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Please Please Please do not call this Megaton. Seriously, every time someone comes up with some crazy idea of what Nintendo's secretly doing and labels it a Megaton announcement coming soon, the hype trains speed out of control, even crazier and improbable 'what-ifs' ideas get spun, and by the time Nintendo actually announces something there's no possible way it could have lived up to the massive and pointless hype, and we all end up kicking ourselves.
It is currently said completely tongue in cheek for that very reason, good sir.
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 20, 2006, 11:02:05 AM
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Originally posted by: Requiem Music is the most liked quantity in the world, and allowing people to share their own with the world would be amazing. Sure there might be some issues that comes about with P2P, but this is a game, a game where you can literally meet people and trade music.
Damn...I didn't even THINK of that...
Bringing your music with you into games so that other people hear it? What a concept...
Someone needs to write this stuff down...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 26, 2006, 04:53:43 AM
Using iTunes through the Wii.
This is a hack more than anything, but I wouldn't be surprise if this encourages both company to bring their OFFICIAL software to the Wii and charge for it.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 27, 2006, 02:46:41 PM
This doesn't mean that it WILL happen, but a lot of people sure have been thinking the same and it may indeed lead to a collaboration between the two companies.
Post by: Majora on December 28, 2006, 03:14:10 AM
Haha, I remember thinking that Nintendo's idea to release ONLY white Wii consoles... then releasing the black ones at a later date was similar to the iPod colour scheme.... Very 'Apple-ish' presentation.
Haha, I'm holding off for the limited edition U2 Wii lol!
Post by: Requiem on January 04, 2007, 12:18:48 PM
Orb announced a free program that allows you to stream "digital media" to your Wii through Opera.
Check it out
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Post by: The Traveller on January 04, 2007, 08:34:56 PM
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Maybe the two companies will merge, and we'll have the Nintapple WiiPod
How about the iWii.
Post by: wandering on January 06, 2007, 07:35:41 AM
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Apple was planning a set top box to play movies at some point so there's no reason why it couldn't happen
In fact, this is precisely the reason it won't happen. If people could play iTunes Store content on their TV with their Wii, they wouldn't have to buy Apple's own pricey iTV.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 06, 2007, 07:48:10 AM
The iTV will be a luxury item which offers HDMI output for watching downloaded movies on your TV in HD. The Wii fills a different niche in terms of downloadable media.
Post by: Neodymium on January 06, 2007, 08:36:32 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 06, 2007, 08:52:22 AM
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To keep it terse, I don't ever see Apple and Nintendo collaborating.
Did you read my first post? THEY ALREADY HAVE COLLABORATED by licensing the Quicktime codec to Nintendo.
And business logic dictates that they didn't license the QT codec without a VERY good reason for doing so.
Post by: Pittbboi on January 06, 2007, 10:44:03 AM
I mean, it would be cool, but lets looks at this clearly: What REALLY is there to gain from this? Support from a huge company like Apple would be great, but iTunes? I just don't see what the benefits would be. If you have an ipod, you have iTunes; and if you have iTunes, you have a computer; and if you have a computer; there's no real point to using the service through your Wii.
This just points out the fact that Nintendo needs more dedicated mp3/video support on the Wii (provided by THEM). Because I'd rather download content through itunes and put it on my ipod than have to download content through my Wii and put it on my ipod, as the Wii doesn't have a hard-drive, which is important. It's just a lot safer, a lot smoother, and a lot more sensical to keep iTunes on computers. It would suck to have to download content like video or podcasts straight to the Wii on some tiny flash drive as opposed to on my main computer hard drive where all my media files are perfectly organized.
Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to see Apple support Nintendo in some major way. I don't just don't see an iTunes channel making much sense. On paper it looks totally awesome, but in practice it just don't see it making much sense, or even being executed properly for that matter (let's try to get Ninty to fix the channels they do have before we start giving in to radical ideas)
Post by: wandering on January 06, 2007, 01:26:25 PM
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It's not video which I expect people would be downloading for their Wii, it's mp3s for use in game soundtracks.
I disagree. How many people would pay for music with the sole intention of using it to replace game soundtracks? Look at the Xbox Live Marketplace. The focus is on TV shows, and music isn't even offered. If there was a market for it, I think Microsoft would capitalize on it.
edit: but you do have a point about the itv's focus being HD. Apple might feel that offering low-def video on the Wii wouldn't threaten iTV sales. Maybe.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 06, 2007, 02:51:45 PM
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I disagree. How many people would pay for music with the sole intention of using it to replace game soundtracks? Look at the Xbox Live Marketplace. The focus is on TV shows, and music isn't even offered. If there was a market for it, I think Microsoft would capitalize on it.
I don't mean that it would be JUST for the Wii: those mp3s would likely go right to the iPod.
The point is, what better way to get custom soundtracks into games than by plugging the most popular mp3 player in the world into your Wii?
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Um, to be fair, it's not like Nintendo is the first company Apple's licensed the Quicktime codec to. It seems to be a basic transaction. It doesn't hint at all that there's going to be some OMG NIN-APPLE MEGATON!!!!!!! announcement. I don't see it happening, either.
It's not that Nintendo has licensed which runs up the red flag, it's the question of WHY they've licensed it.
In terms of viewing internet media, avi, divx, mpeg and wmv files are the most dominant, and all of those can be run WITHOUT licensing Quicktime.
My point is, why license QT if they didn't have some additional intentions for usage of the codec?
Post by: Crimm on January 06, 2007, 03:31:09 PM
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Did you read my first post? THEY ALREADY HAVE COLLABORATED by licensing the QuickTime codec to Nintendo.
And business logic dictates that they didn't license the QT codec without a VERY good reason for doing so.
That's an awfully huge jump to make. Yes, there is some licensing involved in QuickTime usage; however it isn't something Apple is really apt to make heavy demands for. It is also possible that Nintendo licensed a third party's multimedia software, and that company already had a QuickTime license. If that is the case Nintendo never even had to talk to Apple. Either way, they [whoever made the media player] may have just licensed it because its there, and people recognize the name.
However, lets assume that Nintendo is the source of the media player, and that they did negotiate with Apple.
By comparison, integrating iTunes Music Store would require a complex feat of negotiation. Nintendo isn't going to do it unless either A: Apple pays them, or B: Nintendo gets a cut, or C: They think it will sell Wiis. Apple has no reason to do the first two, and the third doesn't seem like it would work.
Nintendo does what benefits them, and integrating iTunes with a set-top box isn't really much of a boon because if you have an iPod (not to mention a network) you already have a computer (and almost certainly iTunes).
It's different than cell phones, that integrate iTunes, because those are portable devices. They allow you to buy music when you're not home. In this case it is a selling point for the phone, so Motorola was more than willing to GIVE Apple everything they would need to implement iTunes on the ROKR. Obviously you can't use your Wii when you're out and about, so iTunes integration isn't really as affective a selling point. On top of that, the fact the ROKR was met with disappointing sales. Nintendo and Apple both know this.
From Apple's perspective, they have to be fully aware of that fact and it wouldn't really benefit their sales, it would simply set aside a portion of their sales for which they have to pay a third party (Nintendo).
I feel confidante in saying this because there is no reason to believe that people would make purchases on the Wii they would not make on the computer (that we have already determined they have). Why would they? If the iPod can be accessed by the Wii's USB 2.0 connector why NOT just use your computer to download the music? What do you gain?
While it may happen I find it to be far from a foregone conclusion. I think a more fleshed-out media player is the first thing we need.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 06, 2007, 07:09:51 PM
However, the relationship is still very much mutually beneficial for Apple and Nintendo.
Nintendo would get a full-featured media player which could very likely be made to universally work with all Wii games made in the future so organizing custom soundtracks would be a thing of the past. Sony and MS both offer this and thus Nintendo could avoid being left out.
Apple would get the last 500 people who don't own iPods to finally go out and buy one because the iPod is not only the best means to transport songs to your Wii but it also makes for the ideal Wii storage device.
An iPod purchase becomes MUCH more justifiable when it serves multiple functions. When you're getting both an mp3 player and a huge memory card, it certainly would take the sting off of dropping $199. I used to use my old 10GB iPod to move massive files from computer to computer all the time ("sneakernet" as my dad calls it). The same would most definitely be true for the iPod as a storage device for the Wii.
One of the Wii's largest disadvantages is the fact that it has squat for internal storage, making games which receive updates like MMOs hard to pull off, as well as larger CD-based VC games.
Microsoft has done this with the 360 "core" package which contains no HD. If you want the storage, you can buy it separately.
In the case of the Wii, the SAME would be true, except instead of buying a rectangular piece of medal which you'll stick in your console and never see again, you'd buy an iPod, a storage device which can be conveniently attached to your Wii when you need the storage but serves as a memory card for transporting the data to a friend's home AND it can play music in your car on the way over there.
There's no downside to iPod integration, only a plethora of advantages for both companies: Nintendo offers its fans a convenient storage medium and one of the best media players in the world and Apple can sell the iPod as the best memory card available for the Wii.
The marketing angle is excellent for both companies which is why I predict it will happen.
As for purchasing, maybe they'd offer it and maybe not. It would seem strange not to include it as part of iTunes were an iTunes channel introduced. Apple has always been good about managing digital rights and I don't see why you couldn't simply authorize your Wii as one of the devices allowed to play songs.
But like I said, purchasing comes in a distant second to killing multiple birds with one stone.
Post by: Crimm on January 06, 2007, 07:14:31 PM
That would make me happy. I'd rather drop $70 bucks for a HD than $200 for a HD that plays music.
Post by: Requiem on January 06, 2007, 07:21:40 PM
Those people would be more inclined to buy a Wii if they saw that they synced with each other.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 06, 2007, 07:32:09 PM
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Originally posted by: Requiem Those people would be more inclined to buy a Wii if they saw that they synced with each other.
Likewise, people who own Wiis would be more likely to buy iPods to use as storage devices for mp3 and other data transfer.
Imagine your friend comes over to try out the Wii and he/she plugs in their iPod and can immediatelty listen to their music while playing games. How is that not a win for both companies?
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I think we're more likely to see Nintendo roll out a generic USB HD driver and a full featured Media Player.
Nintendo didn't launch their own weather satellites for the weather channel, they didn't develop a browser for the internet channel and they probably won't be creating their own international news network for the news channel.
So what makes you think they'd be dumb enough to try to create their own full-featured media player for the media channel?
Nintendo knows what they're good at: games. Clearly, they're outsourcing the rest.
iTunes is the clear choice: a long running, full featured media player made by a company with whom Nintendo shares the same enemies.
Seriously, Sony and MS are common enemies of Nintendo and Apple. Don't think for a moment that that won't come into the picture.
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Originally posted by: Requiem Those people would be more inclined to buy a Wii if they saw that they synced with each other.
Likewise, people who own Wiis would be more likely to buy iPods to use as storage devices for mp3 and other data transfer.
There's no way I'd buy a cr*ppy iPod as a storage device for my Wii: it would be way too expensive. I'd rather buy an external usb 2.0 HDD.
Plus, I have no need of an mp3 player: I already have the best one out there (iAudio X5L
)Let iTunes exist for computers/Macs (not on mine though) and leave my Wii alone, thank you
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 06, 2007, 08:04:03 PM
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Originally posted by: Crimm They could easily license one of those, and not have to deal with a large company (like Apple) that may make more difficult demands.
Like what?
If Apple didn't have a problem developing iTunes for Windows (the OS which is the bread and butter of their worst enemy), then why would Nintendo have issues?
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There's no way I'd buy a cr*ppy iPod
That's nice, but understand that you're part of an ever-shrinking minority. The iPod is to the mp3 player market as the Wii is to the console market: they're both products aimed at the casual user who isn't tech savvy, hence why I doubt Nintendo and Apple will pass up the chance to see to it that they go hand in hand.
Post by: Pittbboi on January 07, 2007, 02:55:39 AM
iPod's are big, but Apple is discovering that people's media libraries are bigger. I have an 80gb ipod video, and while I still have lots of room on it, that room is steadily shrinking as I gather more albums and videos (heck, I'm already praying that Apple announces a bigger one, so I can ebay this sucker and upgrade). I don't need one more thing to have to store on my ipod. My ipod hd is prime real estate right now, and I'd rather save the space for more of what the ipod is meant for: music, photos, and movies.
Heck, and that's not even including the ipod Nano. Most people who buy them already have more music than they can hold. So using them as a hard drive for your Wii is definitely a no-go.
Nintendo just needs to release a dedicated USB hard drive, or allow Wii to recognize those already on the market. There would be too many problems using the ipod. And I'd rather see a Mario Media Player than iTunes. Apple can do something else.
Post by: Crimm on January 07, 2007, 08:46:05 AM
Anyone who owns a Wii and has a network will have some kind of computer capable of accessing iTunes.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 07, 2007, 10:29:29 AM
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Originally posted by: Pittbboi Ummm, I'd rather not have to use my ipod as a hard drive. And if that ever happened, I'd be pissed.
Then buy yourself another external USB device. I'm sure they won't make the USB ports EXCLUSIVE to iPod connectivity, but NOT allowing for iPod connectivity would be just as foolish, considering the iPod's popularity.
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Most people who buy them already have more music than they can hold. So using them as a hard drive for your Wii is definitely a no-go.
I don't, and I don't know who "most people" are but the other two iPod-using friends of mine don't suffer from that problem either.
Regardless, the OPTION would still be a useful feature, whether or not you feel compelled to carry around every piece of media you own or not.
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Nintendo just needs to release a dedicated USB hard drive
Like their sodomy special branded SD cards sold at a premium? No thanks.
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There would be too many problems using the ipod. And I'd rather see a Mario Media Player than iTunes. Apple can do something else.
First of all, WHAT problems? iPods are designed to show up as an external USB storage device upon connection. They will be the same for the Wii.
Second, "Mario Media Player"? Are you serious? I would have objected to Nintendo slapping Mario all over the weather, news and internet channels because it's completely unnecessary and gives a "gamer" edge to applications which are supposed to be all about the non-gamer.
If Nintendo does offer a media player, they're going to outsource it like everything else they've done which doesn't relate to gaming and my bet is still on Apple.
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iTunes for Windows HAD to occur. The vast majority of houses do not have a Mac, so if Apple wanted to sell music to those people they had to make a PC version of iTunes.
You still didn't answer my question.
You seem to think that Apple will have some "harsh demands" of Nintendo if they make a Wii version of iTunes, whatever that means. Seriously, what "demands" might Apple have and why?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 07, 2007, 11:13:41 AM
I don't even have an iPod, nor do I plan on buying one, but even I can see and appreciate the benefits of having iTunes on Wii.
I also assume that you don't need an iPod to use iTunes, but it is recommended as far as syncing with an mp3 player goes.
I would also assume that out of all the people oth there with a real portable mp3/media player (6-30GB), most of those people probably have an iPod which means most of those people probably have and use iTunes. And isn't Nintendo trying to cater to the widest possible audience.
remember some odd years ago when it was rumored that MS was coming out with an iPod killer that would attach to the Xbox360 like a HDD but you could detach it and use it like an iPod, well why should Apple and/or Nintendo have been listening and figured that that would be a good idea and attempt to make it happen?
Now I'm not saying that this is so obvious that its gonna happen, as I think it is such a good idea that I actually expect it not to happen. It just makes too much sense to me.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 07, 2007, 11:37:35 AM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1 Now I'm not saying that this is so obvious that its gonna happen, as I think it is such a good idea that I actually expect it not to happen. It just makes too much sense to me.
Yeah, the most I think it has going against it is the fact that it makes too much sense.
Both Sony and MS planned to offer their own mp3 players and their own mp3 download services, and those would both work with their respective consoles, from what I recall.
If Sony and MS both intend to strike a blow at Apple and Nintendo at the same time, it makes too much sense that Apple and Nintendo would respond by collaborating to see to it that neither of their enemies have their edge over them.
Post by: The Omen on January 07, 2007, 12:11:18 PM
Post by: Pittbboi on January 07, 2007, 02:11:57 PM
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Then buy yourself another external USB device. I'm sure they won't make the USB ports EXCLUSIVE to iPod connectivity, but NOT allowing for iPod connectivity would be just as foolish, considering the iPod's popularity.
I agree it would be foolish not to include some sort of ipod support; what I disagree with is the fact that this would be/should be considered something major. Macs, PCs, heck even Xbox360s can recognize ipods. If Nintendo allowed the Wii to recognize the ipod that would be great, but it would be retarded if they touted that as some sort of awesome feature, because...well, it isn't. And they definitely shouldn't go forward with some major OMG iTUNES WII!! idea. Again, pretty on paper...
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Like their sodomy special branded SD cards sold at a premium? No thanks.
You conveniently left out the end-half of my sentence. I'll quote it for you: "Nintendo just needs to release a dedicated USB hard drive, or allow Wii to recognize those already on the market."
And that's my whole point. It wouldn't be a bad idea to allow the ipod to connect to the Wii and play media files and act as a hard-drive. But is it a better alternative to a Nintendo media player and allowing the Wii to recognize computer and/or external hard drives? I don't think so.
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Second, "Mario Media Player"? Are you serious? I would have objected to Nintendo slapping Mario all over the weather, news and internet channels because it's completely unnecessary and gives a "gamer" edge to applications which are supposed to be all about the non-gamer.
I wasn't being serious. I used 'Mario Media Player' to show that I would rather have a standard media player provided by Nintendo FIRST, than have to rely on an itunes channel initially. Heck, they can call it WiiPlay-er for all I care.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 07, 2007, 06:24:02 PM
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Originally posted by: Pittbboi I agree it would be foolish not to include some sort of ipod support; what I disagree with is the fact that this would be/should be considered something major.
The two biggest innovators in their respective markets working together may not be any big deal to you, but I think it'd be some pretty incredible news.
They're my two favorite companies in the world. Apple was almost dead at one point, then Steve Jobs was brought back to the company, launched the iMac and it's been an uphill climb ever since, thanks to Apple using the iMac to aim for, that's right, the non-tech savvy people who weren't yet on the internet.
Nintendo was in the same position and they did exactly the same thing: design a product to aim at a previously untapped sector, the non-gamer, and so far it has likewise worked wonders for them.
The similarities between Apple and Nintendo go on and on. Both companies are the primary innovators in their industries and both companies have found their sweet spot in bringing technology closer to people who thought the technology was beyond them.
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You conveniently left out the end-half of my sentence. I'll quote it for you: "Nintendo just needs to release a dedicated USB hard drive, or allow Wii to recognize those already on the market."
I addressed that concern earlier when I said that I was certain Nintendo would allow the USB ports to connect to all manners of USB devices.
I just needed to express my disgust at the current Wii branded SD cards which cost assloads more than they should. Sorry, was my angst talking more than my reason.
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I wasn't being serious. I used 'Mario Media Player' to show that I would rather have a standard media player provided by Nintendo FIRST, than have to rely on an itunes channel initially. Heck, they can call it WiiPlay-er for all I care.
And this is where we DO disagree: I think it would be an awesome collaboration for a number of reasons, first and foremost that I love both companies and because they literally share two GIANT enemies, enemies which would love to snuff them both out but for different reasons.
The Xbox 360 is competing with the Wii while the Zune is competing with the iPod. What bigger kick in the teeth than adding iPod/iTunes connectivity to the Wii?
That aside, I think Nintendo developing a media player is still a terrible idea. Why? Because Nintendo doesn't do media players. That's not their forte.
Do you have any idea how long it would take and how many resources would go into developing a FULL-FEATURED media player with all codecs supported, mp3 managing, playlists, streaming audio/video, etc.?
This is what the corporate world calls "reinventing the wheel". Why reinvent the wheel when you can license the wheel for a fraction of the cost and a modicum of the time?
And iTunes is still the most casual-friendly "wheel" out there. It and the Wii go hand in hand.
Post by: vudu on January 08, 2007, 07:29:32 AM
I'm not necessarily knocking your idea, I just want to point out that not all brilliant ideas become reality for a multitude of reasons.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 08, 2007, 07:39:51 AM
But seriously, when Bounty releases a toilet paper that vacuums, then yes, Charmin and Oreck SHOULD team up.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 08, 2007, 09:43:13 AM
QuoteThat is brilliant!! Just imagine never having to to go back for a second round. lol
Originally posted by: vudu
Charmin and Oreck need to form a partnership to create toilet paper that vacuums the poop from my bottom. Both companies stand to make a lot of money and expand their respective markets and the consumer would greatly benefit from the resulting product.
I'm not necessarily knocking your idea, I just want to point out that not all brilliant ideas become reality for a multitude of reasons.
Vudu I think thats the funniest thing I've ever heard you say
I would buy it.
Post by: Leck on January 10, 2007, 09:12:30 AM
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=217444
Basically its a rumour that the next iPod will have a d-pad (and I assume some buttons) and be able to play classic Nintendo games.
If they incorporated the Gameboy Mini into the next iPod, they would have a pretty cool item without competing with the DS. Sounds like a good idea to me.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 10, 2007, 09:14:57 AM
Interesting. Maybe you could buy VC games and upload them to play on your iPod?
Not the functionality I predicted, but it would be interesting nonetheless.
Post by: JonLeung on January 10, 2007, 09:54:35 AM
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Maybe Steve Jobs will announce this instead of/in addition to that rumored 'iPhone' thing during his conference in January.
I know Apple has that iTV media streaming box thing in the works...maybe there'll be some sort of connectivity there?
I'm not a big Apple fan but I stumbled upon some news about the MacWorld event yesterday there's some ruckus over the new iPhone. Some phone by Apple with iPod, Internet, etc. functions. It actually looks pretty cool - I've been on the fence about an iPod all this time and I still don't have a cell phone. And there's some Apple TV thing, too.
iPhone
Didn't hear anything about a Nintendo thing, though. They did say the iPhone was exclusive with Cingular. Oh, and they also changed their name to just Apple, Inc. (instead of Apple Computer, Inc.) because they're about all electronics (including phones and TV recorders, apparently). Maybe something to do with games is on the way? The iPlay, or iGame? That is if they don't team up with Nintendo. iWii?
Post by: KnowsNothing on January 10, 2007, 10:21:54 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 10, 2007, 02:43:47 PM
I'm probably one of the bigger Mac nuts here (possibly the biggest), but I'll be the first to admit their products cost far too much, especially when they're new.
Post by: JonLeung on January 10, 2007, 03:08:45 PM
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Quick, someone make a silhouetted video (iPod style!) of playing the Wii and then using an iPod.
Full Size - 1024x768
Awesome! Good work (if you made it)! I can't see certain images at work for whatever reason, so I didn't even see it until just now. That's pretty hot. I think I'll use it as my wallpaper for a while.
Post by: Crimm on January 10, 2007, 03:35:30 PM
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Dunno if anyone has already seen this or not:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=217444
Basically its a rumour that the next iPod will have a d-pad (and I assume some buttons) and be able to play classic Nintendo games.
I don't see that happening either. Nintendo really isn't likely to bring in an outside tech company into the gaming market as a partner. They've done it multiple times, with various levels of failure.
- The CD-i fiasco ended up with Philips getting to create "EXCUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSE ME PRINCESS!"
- Even more importantly, the PlayStation mistake brought Sony into the gaming market.
Besides, even Nintendo says that this was the last Christmas of the GameBoy Advance.
Besides, the next iPod is
FIVE-HUNDRED NINTY-NINE U S DOLLARS*
FIVE-HUNDRED NINTY-NINE U S DOLLARS*
FIVE-HUNDRED NINTY-NINE U S DOLLARS*
FIVE-HUNDRED NINTY-NINE U S DOLLARS*
FIVE-HUNDRED NINTY-NINE U S DOLLARS*
FIVE-HUNDRED NINTY-NINE U S DOLLARS*
*With a 2 year service plan
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 10, 2007, 03:35:44 PM
Seriously, my advice is not to piss him off if there's a photo of you available on a blog or something. He can make things that didn't happen happen...
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Originally posted by: Crimm I don't see that happening either. Nintendo really isn't likely to bring in an outside tech company into the gaming market as a partner. They've done it multiple times, with various levels of failure.
That's the beauty of the channels: they don't lend anything involving gaming to these other companies.
Post by: Darkheart on January 10, 2007, 06:40:36 PM
Post by: Blue Plant on January 10, 2007, 07:04:03 PM
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Is it sad that I would take an Iphone over a Ps3 . . . . .?
Which iPhone? >.>
Post by: JonLeung on January 11, 2007, 01:34:59 AM
I'd have to see what the Canadian price is for the iPhone (even though I imagine it could be well into the $700 range) and the service plan details and monthly rates. I've never had a cell phone so I wonder if I'll fiddle with it too much or not use it much at all, and that's a factor too.
Post by: vherub on January 11, 2007, 03:38:25 AM
and it would be awesome if the usb ports could access any external harddrive or mp3 player, just by plugging it in
itunes/apple is too limiting in scope, let the wii play with everybody
Post by: capamerica on January 11, 2007, 03:49:06 AM
Apple is the hands down no contest leader in the MP3 player market and the pay download music stores. More people out there have music that only plays in iTunes and iPods then any other company (Napster, MS, Sony) And currently no game console can play that music.
Saying using iTunes and Apple is too limited is like saying, hey lets look at the world population but lets not include anyone from the Europe, Africa or Asian regions.
Post by: Galford on January 11, 2007, 04:02:02 AM
Cisco is sueing Apple over the iPhone.
Apparently Cisco has held the trademark since 1996.
This should be interesting...
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 11, 2007, 04:17:29 AM
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the wii doesn't need itunes, just a music channel where you can play music directly off the sd card (i'd rather it be build from the ground up to take advantadge of the control)
and it would be awesome if the usb ports could access any external harddrive or mp3 player, just by plugging it in
itunes/apple is too limiting in scope, let the wii play with everybody
You do know iTunes can play just about anything, right?
I'm not suggesting the scope be limited to iPods to play mp3s, either. Most mp3 players show up as USB devices which you can copy songs on and off. iTunes would handle it the same way with both mp3 players and SD cards.
Post by: UERD on January 11, 2007, 11:04:13 AM
I actually think it would have been cooler if they had made a touchscreen iPod with PDA functionality- the iPhone without the phone part, and with more processing power- it would probably have been more 'cost-effective'. But I digress. Considering that this phone has been in development for more than a year, I wouldn't expect any hypothetical deal between Nintendo and Apple to be announced until at least this summer, probably later.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 11, 2007, 11:15:10 AM
Wasn't Apple supposed to do their keynote conference on the 11th? Did they ever make it? Was the iPhone the big announcement? What else did they announce?
If so, this is strike one for SB's prediction as nothing has been announced about the alleged Nintendo/Apple team up.
Post by: chris+pie=joy on January 11, 2007, 11:31:13 AM
Post by: Crimm on January 11, 2007, 11:33:22 AM
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Originally posted by: Galford
Just a quick update.
Cisco is sueing Apple over the iPhone.
Apparently Cisco has held the trademark since 1996.
This should be interesting...
For once a tech company getting sued and it isn't by one of those Technology Trolls.
Also: Banner ad for FIVE-HUNDRED NINETY-NINE US DOLLARS jr.
Post by: capamerica on January 11, 2007, 03:37:30 PM
1. Yes pap64 Apple did have the Keynote, it was 2 days ago. The big announcements were AppleTV which lets you watch/hear anything that is in your iTunes library on your TV from any PC or Mac in your house. Its like a Media Center PC with out needing a PC right next to your TV. They also showed off the new iPhone. Which is a WHOLE lot more then just a simple phone. I recomend people go and read up on both these products before coming up with conclusions.
2. UERD you say that the iPhone is over priced compared to the RAZR, Well if anything you should be comparing the iPhone to a Blackberry. The iPhone is a WHOLE lot more then just a simple Phone with a simple MP3 player built in. You need to think of the iPhone as a Cellphone, a VoIP phone, a 4GB (or 8GB) Video iPod, Digital Camera and a MacMini all in one. Its not even fair to compare it to a Blackberry which is a PDA and Cellphone in one since the Computer in the iPhone is just that a computer and is not a weak PDA. For anyone who is a Trekkie the best way to describe what the iPhone is, it to say that its like a PADD Its FAR more advanced that any PDA or Cellphone on the market.
3. On the topic of Apple getting sued by Cisco, Apple has already talked about that and it seems that it won't be a issue. First Cisco has been doing a sh!tty job keeping tabs on the name iPhone and if Cisco does sue Apple over the uses they will have to sue a dozen other companies who also have phones called iPhones. Second the Apple iPhone is a multi-function device the Cisco iPhone is just a VoIP phone, As long as Apple doesn't have a standalone VoIP phone they can uses the name according to trademark law. Its the same law that let them call themselves Apple Computers even thou we had Apple Records. Third Apple technically holds claim to any name that starts with 'i' Since Apple has the iMac, iPod, iTunes, iLife, iPhoto, iWeb, iMovie, iDVD, iWorks, iChat, iSight, iSync, iCal, and whatever other 'i' items the have. Apple can grab any name they want sine the whole 'i' thing was their doing and if I recall correctly they actually have a trademark on any name starting with 'i'. They have taken a name once already someone made a product called iWorks and they went after them and got it and they will easily do it again with this if need be.
Post by: Kairon on January 11, 2007, 04:28:53 PM
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 11, 2007, 04:58:37 PM
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The iPhone does EVERYTHING the Wii's non-gaming functions does... and it does it better.
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Well, to be fair, Apple has been doing this sort of thing for years now, while the Wii is perhaps Nintendo's first multimedia console that offers more than just gaming.
They are still working on it, so lets give them a year or two.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 11, 2007, 05:16:23 PM
Though, if it happens, an announcement like this could come anytime, since Nintendo has been known for breaking news at times other than tradeshows (like when revealing the Wii name, for example).
Still, it's all speculation. It could easily never happen.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 11, 2007, 05:32:03 PM
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I was wrong: he didn't announce anything this time.
Though, if it happens, an announcement like this could come anytime, since Nintendo has been known for breaking news at times other than tradeshows (like when revealing the Wii name, for example).
Still, it's all speculation. It could easily never happen.
If this were to happen I expect it to happen either in the middle or the end of the year. The reason I failed to believe that Apple would drop the announcement now was because the Wii was just released and still needs to grow a stable user base before dropping any kind of support.
I already told you that I am going to give your prediction more merit, SB, since you are NOT the only one thinking this way. Hackers and modders have already found ways to play iTunes music on the Wii and more than one person has said that Nintendo and Apple should team up. This type of movement and speculation will only drive Nintendo and Apple out of their foxholes and do something about it.
I'm just saying that it is far too early in the game before dropping any wishes like these. And like I said, what might be logical to us may be worthless to the companies.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 11, 2007, 05:35:36 PM
This one isn't as far-fetched, especially since many others are predicting it as well.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 11, 2007, 05:40:24 PM
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My prediction of the creation of Mario DDR was a little more from left field and that one was right.
This one isn't as far-fetched, especially since many others are predicting it as well.
I personally never found the idea of a Mario DDR to be THAT far fetched.
At the time that Mario DDR was announced, Nintendo had put Mario in everything from countless of Mario sequels to third party, extreme sports titles. By the time Mario DDR came into the scene, everyone was like "Great, yet ANOTHER Mario game" rather than "OMFG MARIO IS IN DDR!".
Mario appearing alongside FF characters in hoops and teaming up with the DQ team to bring Itadaki street DS, however, were far more surprising since we all know that Square avoid Nintendo like the plague in the mid to late 1990s and reflect a new Square, a Square willing to experiment across the board.
Post by: Galford on January 12, 2007, 01:02:22 AM
Cisco is not someone Apple can just sue into submission.(Cisco is worth 2x Apple)
If Apple is smart they will say "Cisco, how many money hats do you want?" and then pay up.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 12, 2007, 01:10:41 AM
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I personally never found the idea of a Mario DDR to be THAT far fetched.
I'd agree with you except that everyone I suggested the idea to thought I was full of sh*t.
Post by: capamerica on January 12, 2007, 01:43:09 AM
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Cisco is not someone Apple can just sue into submission.(Cisco is worth 2x Apple)
If Apple is smart they will say "Cisco, how many money hats do you want?" and then pay up.
I don't think you'll see Apple throw around any money hats at Cisco. They knew what they were getting into with the name, they knew Cisco had a iPhone and they went and did it anyway. They have a ace up their sleeve that will prevent Cisco from doing anything.
Are you sure Cisco is actually worth twice as much as Apple?
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on January 12, 2007, 03:35:16 AM
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Second the Apple iPhone is a multi-function device the Cisco iPhone is just a VoIP phone, As long as Apple doesn't have a standalone VoIP phone they can uses the name according to trademark law. Its the same law that let them call themselves Apple Computers even thou we had Apple Records.
The idea behind protecting trademarks is to protect consumers. If I buy a bottle of dark liquid with "Coca-Cola" on the label, I can be quite confident that the liquid is actually Coca-Cola. If the Coca-Cola trademark was not protected, an unscrupulous merchant could sell me watered down Pepsi instead. I wouldn't be able to tell the difference until I was already swindled. On the other hand, if there's little chance of confusion, the name can be reused by someone else. This is why Mongoose bicycles, Mongoose Publishing, and Mongoose the Marvel Comics character can all happily coexist.
To a layman, the technical differences between Cisco's and Apple's iPhone products aren't obvious. They're both communication devices that behave similarly to every phone he's ever used. The fact that Apple's does a few other things doesn't seem to be nearly enough to make them safe from Cisco's trademark. They're both phones. It doesn't help Apple that the iPhone trademark is older than Apple's 'i' names tradition.
Incidentally, in the Apple Records and Apple Computers case, the trademark dispute was never decided on by a judge. The two companies settled out of court. Every lawsuit between them since then has been over breach of the settlement contract.
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Third Apple technically holds claim to any name that starts with 'i' Since Apple has the iMac, iPod, iTunes, iLife, iPhoto, iWeb, iMovie, iDVD, iWorks, iChat, iSight, iSync, iCal, and whatever other 'i' items the have. Apple can grab any name they want sine the whole 'i' thing was their doing and if I recall correctly they actually have a trademark on any name starting with 'i'. They have taken a name once already someone made a product called iWorks and they went after them and got it and they will easily do it again with this if need be.
I don't believe it's possible to trademark a naming convention. Also, I haven't been able to find anything about iWorks. Apple has an actual product named iWork, however, so it's unlikely the case was based simply on the name starting with an 'i'. Do you have a link to something about it? The only court case I found was Apple v. dePlume, which was about trade secrets.
Post by: capamerica on January 12, 2007, 04:38:03 AM
iWorks was a business management program for the Mac it was released a few years before Apple's iWorks. As soon as Apple announced their iWorks the other one disapeared within a few months, I don't know if it was renamed or what but you can no longer find that product. Sun microsystems also had a program called iWorks, not sure what ever happen to that. But I can't seem to find anything recent about it anymore.
Post by: capamerica on January 12, 2007, 05:21:32 AM
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=qke8ea.3.13
It was trademarked on Sept 26th 2006 by Ocean Telecom Services LLC (a Apple company)
It seems like Cisco really dropped the ball on the Trademark.
Cisco's iPhone is refered to as a "computer hardware and software for providing integrated telephone communication with computerized global information networks."
while Apple's iPhone is refered to as "handheld and mobile digital electronic devices for the sending and receiving of telephone calls, faxes, electronic mail, and other digital data; MP3 and other digital format audio players; handheld computers, personal digital assistants, electronic organizers, electronic notepads; magnetic data carriers; telephones, mobile phones, computer gaming machines, videophones, cameras; prerecorded computer programs for personal information management, database management software, electronic mail and messaging software, paging software, database synchronization software, computer programs for accessing, browsing and searching online databases, computer software and firmware, namely operating system programs, data synchronization programs, and application development tool programs for personal and handheld computers; electronic handheld units for the wireless receipt and/or transmission of data that enable the user to keep track of or manage personal information; software for the redirection of messages, Internet e-mail, and/or other data to one or more electronic handheld devices from a data store on or associated with a personal computer or a server; and software for the synchronization of data between a remote station or device and a fixed or remote station or device; computer hardware and software for providing integrated telephone communication with computerized global information networks"
Simpley put, Cisco trademarked a piece of Computer Hardware while Apple trademarked a Cellphone Hybrid. Which in terms makes it two differnt products that are not compeating with each other for the same market.
The only bit Apple has to worry about in their trademark is "computer hardware and software for providing integrated telephone communication with computerized global information networks" Which means that they just have to worry about it being a VoIP phone.
Apple has smart lawers they know what they are doing.
Post by: vudu on January 12, 2007, 06:02:28 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 12, 2007, 06:07:39 AM
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I personally never found the idea of a Mario DDR to be THAT far fetched.
I'd agree with you except that everyone I suggested the idea to thought I was full of sh*t.
Wait, I just remembered. If I recall correctly, you made this prediction around the time that Twin Snakes came out, right?
I can understand why people would say you were full of crap. At the time Nintendo wasn't that cross-over happy and Mario's appearances were somewhat limited. But after 2004 Mario was everywhere. So yeah, by then people had already gotten used to Mario being everywhere, even in third party games.
Post by: Ceric on January 12, 2007, 06:11:49 AM
Now on my PDA I don't care. In fact the iPhone almost looks exactly like my Axim minus the buttons. As state I wouldn't mind it as a PDA but I can do most of that stuff with a 640x480 same size screen with my Axim. It does have more space and a few neat gizmo's. I'll look at the specs again but it really considers how programming for it is. For most Pocket PC's its really easy now for the most part. Mobile 5 got that right, though it messed up the interface which was great in 2003 SE but the back-end is much much better.
So we'll see in the end. I'm not going to go rushing out to get one though.
Edit: Also I hope that Cisco wins a licensing fee as they have the right to.
Post by: capamerica on January 12, 2007, 06:31:02 AM
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Completely off topic, but care to explain why Biohazard had to be renamed Resident Evil in North America and Europe? AFAIK, it's not likely that people would get a zombie video game mixed up with a heavy metal band.
Thats a question I've been wondering for years, I always liked the name Biohazard alot more then Resident Evil.
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 25, 2008, 01:17:45 AM
Well, I was kinda right. It's a start, anyway...
Share your movies, music, and pictures directly to your Nintendo Wii using the Internet Channel. Copy Miis from your Wii back to your Mac and save them as images. Browse iTunes playlists and iPhoto albums on your television. Convert your movies to formats the Wii understands, either streaming directly from your Mac or for playback in the Wii’s Photo Channel. Wii Transfer can even manage saved game backups copied to an SD card.
What’s New in this Version
- Copy Miis to your Mac and save them as JPEG images.
- Many more enhancements.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 25, 2008, 03:10:06 AM
http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/video/wiitransfer.html
Well, I was kinda right. It's a start, anyway...
Share your movies, music, and pictures directly to your Nintendo Wii using the Internet Channel. Copy Miis from your Wii back to your Mac and save them as images. Browse iTunes playlists and iPhoto albums on your television. Convert your movies to formats the Wii understands, either streaming directly from your Mac or for playback in the Wii’s Photo Channel. Wii Transfer can even manage saved game backups copied to an SD card.
What’s New in this Version
- Copy Miis to your Mac and save them as JPEG images.
- Many more enhancements.
Its only for Mac owners...
BOOOOO!
...HOLD IT!
What is this?
"Wii Transfer can even manage saved game backups copied to an SD card."
So basically, this would be turning an iPod into a storage device for the Wii, aka A HARD DRIVE???
Quick, somebody, experiment with this! See if you can fit WiiWare and VC games on an iPod!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 25, 2008, 03:17:26 AM
http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/video/wiitransfer.html
Well, I was kinda right. It's a start, anyway...
Share your movies, music, and pictures directly to your Nintendo Wii using the Internet Channel. Copy Miis from your Wii back to your Mac and save them as images. Browse iTunes playlists and iPhoto albums on your television. Convert your movies to formats the Wii understands, either streaming directly from your Mac or for playback in the Wii’s Photo Channel. Wii Transfer can even manage saved game backups copied to an SD card.
What’s New in this Version
- Copy Miis to your Mac and save them as JPEG images.
- Many more enhancements.
Its only for Mac owners...
BOOOOO!
...HOLD IT!
What is this?
"Wii Transfer can even manage saved game backups copied to an SD card."
So basically, this would be turning an iPod into a storage device for the Wii, aka A HARD DRIVE???
Quick, somebody, experiment with this! See if you can fit WiiWare and VC games on an iPod!
What kind of logic did you use to get from software that helps manage game saves you transferred to an SD card to using an iPod as an external hard drive for the Wii in one step?
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 25, 2008, 03:24:47 AM
http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/video/wiitransfer.html
Well, I was kinda right. It's a start, anyway...
Share your movies, music, and pictures directly to your Nintendo Wii using the Internet Channel. Copy Miis from your Wii back to your Mac and save them as images. Browse iTunes playlists and iPhoto albums on your television. Convert your movies to formats the Wii understands, either streaming directly from your Mac or for playback in the Wii’s Photo Channel. Wii Transfer can even manage saved game backups copied to an SD card.
What’s New in this Version
- Copy Miis to your Mac and save them as JPEG images.
- Many more enhancements.
Its only for Mac owners...
BOOOOO!
...HOLD IT!
What is this?
"Wii Transfer can even manage saved game backups copied to an SD card."
So basically, this would be turning an iPod into a storage device for the Wii, aka A HARD DRIVE???
Quick, somebody, experiment with this! See if you can fit WiiWare and VC games on an iPod!
What kind of logic did you use to get from software that helps manage game saves you transferred to an SD card to using an iPod as an external hard drive for the Wii in one step?
Hopeful fanboy logic, that's what I used. ;)
But seriously, this sounds like it turns an iPod into an alternative memory card, akin to the SD cards. I just thought that if the program allowed you to do that maybe you can transfer VC and WiiWare games as game data.
Hence why I asked for someone to experiment with this and see how far they can go with the data transfer.
If by any miracle this works then we might be getting closer to a storage solution. If not, it was nice dreaming.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on August 25, 2008, 06:13:02 AM
Okay the app is a demo boo, it costs 19.00 to purchase.
Media sharing: makes a small web server using an IP address that you require the internet channel and you need to type in your router's IP address and :9000 (example 192.168.1.1:9000) the :xxxx number can be changed by changing the sharing port in the preferences.
Movies: Same as above except you queue in what movies you want to play via the media share.
Music: Same as movies except tied to your itunes.
Pictures: Same as movies
Saved Games: All it does is copy your Wii Folder from your SD card so you need to copy everything from Wii to SD and then to your Mac, you don't even need this application except it helps you organize a tiny bit better, each game save and file save on the SD card will already have a timestamp that your Wii put on it.
Miis: Transfer Miis from your Wii remote to your Mac via bluetooth.
So all in all, it's just a internet streaming program and the saved game functions you can already do by yourself by dragging your Wii folder from your SD card to your computer harddrive.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 26, 2008, 07:56:45 PM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 26, 2008, 08:36:31 PM
