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Offline thepoga

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When will it blow over?
« on: February 22, 2006, 01:49:41 PM »
When do you think that the DS mic will be used for something other than being blown into? When will there finally be a game where you can choose things without going to menus and simply say that thing. Like in an RPG. Or in a Mech game you could say, MISSILE 3! It was neat at the beginning but its become really trite.

Eight games have been released over the 1.2 years the DS has been out that has used the microphone for blowing. Will there be more added to this list? I'm hoping for more uses of the mic to make certain tasks easier. Like animal crossing couldve used it to switch equipment items maybe. They could let people use their own voice like in Nintendogs so their wouldn't have to be complicated voice recognition software. I'm not against blowing entirely, but if devs want to use the unique features of the DS just to use them, then they shouldn't do the blowing. EXPERIMENT!

Anybody have ideas for the future of mic use?

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RE: When will it blow over?
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2006, 02:00:04 PM »
I'm looking forward to the VOIP in Metriod Hunters.

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RE: When will it blow over?
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2006, 02:01:31 PM »
Even though I don't have the game..... Objection!

There would need to be some heavy advances in the world of voice recognition to do some of what you describe, and even then those advances would come with patents and result in additional expenses to produce said games.

"When will there finally be a game where you can choose things without going to menus and simply say that thing."

Upon reading that I immediately thought of just how many different ways people would pronounce "deluge" (Meteos).  Oh sure, we'll just train the game to understand .... or we can just have them pick it with the stylus

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RE: When will it blow over?
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2006, 02:03:40 PM »
I imagine use of the mic will become more significant when Nintendo themselves make better use of it.  That's usually how things go regarding features for Nintendo systems.

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RE: When will it blow over?
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2006, 02:13:48 PM »
Yes yes, one day we will be able to fart into the mic, and may there be rejoice in the gaming universe because pandora's box has been unsealed.

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RE:When will it blow over?
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2006, 02:50:07 PM »
I agree with shecky in that they probably want to get the software as close to perfect as possible, if they release a half-a$$ voice recog game, and it sells as well as it was developed, few people will want to try it, and then we'll never get any good ones. They release something that makes amazing use of the mic (MP:H) then other devs are like what can we do to one up them, and make good voice recog games. Of course once it becomes popular expect half-a$$ ones to surface.
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RE:When will it blow over?
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2006, 03:16:14 PM »
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Originally posted by: Shecky

Upon reading that I immediately thought of just how many different ways people would pronounce "deluge" (Meteos).  Oh sure, we'll just train the game to understand .... or we can just have them pick it with the stylus


I was saying more like you pre-record your own way of saying it like in Nintendogs. Like, what if Meteos had items in the game where u stored them (I'm not saying whether or not this would be a good gameplay idea, just an example). It would be hard to use the desired item while moving things with the stylus. So its used for simple things that make things quicker.

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RE:When will it blow over?
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2006, 03:25:02 PM »
Well Nintendogs has the best use of the mic with all the voice commands.  Bomberman DS you can shout stuff like BOOM, BOMB! or whatever and your bombs explode it gets addicting to do that especially in multiplayer especially if you mix up your shouts. Tony Hawk I believe you can record something on a bail out or if you mess up. And the famous one that needs no intro.......... OBJECTION! and HOLD IT! But I agree the blowing is kind of getting annoying and repetetive.
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RE:When will it blow over?
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2006, 03:54:51 PM »
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Originally posted by: thepoga

I was saying more like you pre-record your own way of saying it like in Nintendogs. Like, what if Meteos had items in the game where u stored them (I'm not saying whether or not this would be a good gameplay idea, just an example). It would be hard to use the desired item while moving things with the stylus. So its used for simple things that make things quicker.


Kind of like voice recognition on cell phones, right?  I like that idea.  The game learns how you say it and so it's less likely to misunderstand what you say.

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RE: When will it blow over?
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2006, 04:34:36 PM »
You mean other than how it's used in Nintendogs and Electroplankton and Phoenix Wright?  And how it will be used in Metroid Prime: Hunters?
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RE:When will it blow over?
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2006, 04:40:56 PM »
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Originally posted by: thepoga

I was saying more like you pre-record your own way of saying it like in Nintendogs. Like, what if Meteos had items in the game where u stored them (I'm not saying whether or not this would be a good gameplay idea, just an example). It would be hard to use the desired item while moving things with the stylus. So its used for simple things that make things quicker.


Kind of like voice recognition on cell phones, right?  I like that idea.  The game learns how you say it and so it's less likely to misunderstand what you say.



Yeah!!  I was just about to say that, "like cell phones".  I actually, was of the mind that voice recognition for things like changing wepons or giving commands on the fly because of the limitations of current voice recognition.  But yes, if you were prompted to pre-record your pronounciation, like voice dialing on cell phones, then this could be a very pratical and well implimented feature.  The only downside to this method is that the DS game card will have to store recordings, so you will be limited to how many commands you can store.  But, I really dont see that as being a huge issue unless your trying to store over 100 commands.

Man, I could imagine.  Pikmin DS where you just say the word "RED" and Olimar automatically seperates and takes the red pikmin.

Now, how about some other uses of the Mic?  Well, while I've never played the game, I think a DS version of the DreamCast game SeaMan might work very well on the DS, the whole, pet in your pocket/nintendogs type deal.  Once again, I never played it, but perhaps a game like Karaoke Revolution, or some other type of music game?  Then there are the odd ones, like the voice commanded cook book coming to Japan, as well as the voice translators.  And, of course, there would be the obvious VoIP or some sort of Voice Chat in the vein of Metroid Hunter.

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RE:When will it blow over?
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2006, 04:43:31 PM »
How about a FPS using it?  Like when you point your weapon at someone and scream "BOOM, HEADSHOT!" then you get an auto headshot!  It'd have to be a port of CS:Source though...
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RE:When will it blow over?
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2006, 04:47:17 PM »
Karaoke Revolution on the DS would be horrible since it measures the pitch but not exactly the vocals.  In metroid Prime hunters theres voice chat before and after matches so that answers your question.
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RE: When will it blow over?
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2006, 05:12:16 PM »
Unless there's a simple quality limitation of the DS mic (which is entirely possible from my experience), there's no reason Konami couldn't do a version of Karaoke Revolution for DS.  How well it measures pitch is up to the software; if it doesn't work well, it's the fault of Harmonix, but I don't think they would ship a game that can't get that basic element down.

Usage of the mic is slowly getting better, as some of you have pointed out in this thread.  I don't think it will prove its worth unless online voice chat becomes widespread or Nintendo licenses a top-quality voice recognition middleware and includes it in updated dev kits.  Without good voice recog to build upon, the DS mic is not going to be used well by most developers.  With Nintendogs, we can see that even Nintendo has a hard time developing quality voice recog software.  Bring in a third-party solution and make it available to all developers, just like other middleware.
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RE:When will it blow over?
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2006, 06:05:42 PM »
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RE: When will it blow over?
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2006, 12:42:00 AM »
Brain Age and Phoenix Wright feature the best use of the mic so far, they actually reconize the words you say (and not in the Nintendogs way where it has to record your voice and then you try to match it). While Project Rub and Bomberman informed you to yell and scream certain words, you could just lightly blow into the mic to get the same results.

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RE: When will it blow over?
« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2006, 06:41:58 AM »
Pre-Game Voice Chat + Free International Play = Free International Phone Calls. I'm surprised some phone company hasn't tried to get regulators to crack down on Nintendo for doing this.

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RE: When will it blow over?
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2006, 07:06:25 AM »
Pre-Game Voice Chat + Free International Play = Free International Phone Calls. I'm surprised some phone company hasn't tried to get regulators to crack down on Nintendo for doing this.

Skype didn't face problems over it. The US Army has XBoxes for that purpose. As long as the connections don't go to phones the telco can't say anything. And without being able to reach normal phones it's not really a competition for cellphones.

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RE: When will it blow over?
« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2006, 07:07:20 PM »
Who needs a legitimate legal basis? You don't have to register anything that identifies you when you buy either the game or the system... Nintendo thus has no way to turn over customer data in the event of a wiretap... therefore Nintendo is making software for al-Qaeda.

Is it silly? Of course... but it's credible-sounding enough that people who don't play video games or use the Internet can be worked up about it. Kind of like how people are getting worked up over a Pictochat program with about a 30 foot radius as a tool for pedophiles.

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RE: When will it blow over?
« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2006, 07:11:16 PM »
Um, wrong thread?

edit: oh, no, sorry, I follow the conversation now. I don't think people will make a big deal over free voice chat. You don't need to register when you sign up for aim, either. Or when you buy a carrier pigeon.
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