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« on: June 08, 2019, 09:54:24 AM »
My catch all non-Nintendo thread for the press conferences and what not.


EA Star Wars game seems surprisingly decent, I expect EA to close Respawn studios in the next few years because EA is the worst!

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Re: E3 2019
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2019, 06:51:56 PM »
I won't be able to watch any of the conferences until Bethesda's tomorrow due to having to do heavy lawn work all day. Microsoft's and Bethesda's conferences are the only ones I plan on watching since I don't have a podcast anymore to pretend to care what Ubisoft is up to and Sony isn't having a conference. I find the recaps of Nintendo's Direct to be more worthwhile than watching the actual Direct.

I'm really hoping for an Evil Within 3 announcement.
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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2019, 07:25:50 PM »
Okay, so you dropped some vague statements that’s i’m curious about:

1. What’s going on with the lawn work? Is it your lawn? Are you in landscaping?

2. Why don’t you have a podcast anymore? Do you ever plan on starting a new one?

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« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2019, 07:33:45 PM »
Okay, so you dropped some vague statements that’s i’m curious about:

1. What’s going on with the lawn work? Is it your lawn? Are you in landscaping?

2. Why don’t you have a podcast anymore? Do you ever plan on starting a new one?

1. I generally spend one of my 2 weekend days resting, and the other doing various lawn-related tasks around the house (weeding, bush/tree trimming, bagging, etc.). We have an HOA who gets really pissy about the lawn, especially because we haven't replaced it like they've asked since we bought this house 4 years ago (long story).

2. I think it's pretty safe to say at this point that NFR is over. Shortly after Donald suddenly left the show, I got moved up to a new role at my job that pretty much leaves me utterly exhausted when I get home. The job has much more pressure and a much heavier workload than my previous position. Add on to that major work around the house trying to get it into shape (again, long story), and I generally have very little relaxation time these days. You might have noticed I don't post as much about games and whatnot as I used to.

Donald was our editor, and while I could do editing myself (I have done it before)...I just don't have the time, nor the money to hire someone else to do it (trust me, I've looked into it. It would cost me north of $300 to get a single podcast edited at our usual length). And honestly...aside from a few people on Twitter, no one seems to have noticed or cared that the show stopped coming out.

I enjoyed doing NFR for the 6 years I was on it, and I hope that others enjoyed listening to it. But if we couldn't find someone to do what Donald did very valiantly for years at his own personal expense in time and energy and no one seems to miss it...perhaps it's best that it ended when it did. I've taken to posting my gaming/TV thoughts on the forums again in its place.
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Re: E3 2019
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2019, 07:53:44 PM »
HOAs are the worst.


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Re: E3 2019
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2019, 02:55:29 PM »
Phantasy Star Online 2 finally coming to the west means as far as I'm concerned Microsoft won E3.
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Re: E3 2019
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2019, 03:02:37 PM »
Finished my work for the day early, so I watched the Microsoft conference via Giant Bomb's stream.

Even Giant Bomb couldn't make that trash interesting. Ugh...

Ori looks as great as ever, and I'll care about Cyberpunk when we're much closer to its release. Other than that, this conference was one big dud.
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Re: E3 2019
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2019, 03:34:57 PM »
@broodwars, thanks for your response. HOAs do sound like the worst.

I didn’t care about most of the games Microsoft showed. That isn’t an indictment of the E3 Briefing. A lot of them seemed like heavy hitters that just aren’t in my wheelhouse of like eight IPs/four genres I just regularly buy. I really liked that Microsoft focused on games. A few people got on stage to talk for a little bit. Otherwise, it was basically game after game after game which I appreciated despite being a non-press, non-investor person watching the stream at home because I didn’t have better, more interesting plans.

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« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2019, 03:42:44 PM »
I am always amused, though, that Microsoft has fallen so long that they actually think purchasing Double Fine is a wise move. I'm not sure that company has had a successful game...ever.

For me, the thing that kills my interest in Microsoft's conference is the distinct lack of color and variety in what they show. Yeah, we had exceptions. We had games like Ori, DBZ, etc. but for the most part I just don't "get" Microsoft's particular type of games. Never have. I thought Sunset Overdrive might have signaled a change at Microsoft, which is why I HAVE an Xbox One, but that didn't turn out to be the case.

They even managed to make an unappealing and generic-looking Tales game just for Microsoft's stage.

I'm surprised we didn't get a major announcement from Capcom on Microsoft's stage. Resident Evil 3's remake is pretty much a known quantity at this point after how successful RE2's remake was, and Sony isn't having a show this year so you'd think it would be ripe for a reveal. I wonder if we're going to get a Sony Direct stealth dropped on us this week where some of these notable Japanese 3rd parties are going to show up.
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Re: E3 2019
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2019, 04:37:36 PM »
I need to watch the MS conference. Everyone seems ho-hum on it. I take it not much Next Gen?

Bethesda is up next.

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« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2019, 04:54:39 PM »
I need to watch the MS conference. Everyone seems ho-hum on it. I take it not much Next Gen?

Bethesda is up next.

Actually, Microsoft spent a long time sticking out their Next Gen member for all the world to see, but only for moment for a bunch of tech talk. "Project Scarlett."
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« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2019, 04:57:14 PM »
The entire last segment was about Project Scarlett. Vaguely went over how powerful it will be (4x Xbox One X) and some other things like GDDR6 RAM and an SSD. Then, Halo infinite.

The conference itself was well organized, focused. There’s a reason I don’t own an Xbox One though. The games aren’t for me.

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Re: E3 2019
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2019, 05:58:46 PM »
So I'm not getting a new Evil Within. Instead, we're getting "Left Behind: Japan Edition" from Tango Gameworks in the form of "Ghostwire Tokyo." Meh.
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Re: E3 2019
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2019, 06:53:25 PM »
I need to see more of Ghostwire, is it open world?

Doom Eternal looked awesome of course.

Too much mobile stuff.

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Re: E3 2019
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2019, 07:25:17 PM »
Well Devolver Digital was certainly whacked out again. A breath of fresh air!

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Re: E3 2019
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2019, 09:45:17 PM »
Catching up on the Xbox conference now.

The Outerworlds still looks promising,
The Overwatch Clone from Ninja theory seems like they could do something better.
CyberPunk 2077 looks like a great movie, I'm glad they made a game out of it.
RPG Time has a great look
Nice to see MS Flight Simulator come back
12 Minutes looks intriguing
Scarlett has GDDR6
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« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2019, 09:48:22 PM »
I'm curious what's going on with Metal Wolf Chaos. Devolver made a big deal about it at the end of last year's E3 "conference", and they've said absolutely nothing about it in the year since.

Man, you know it's been a bad E3 when you find yourself hoping that the Square Enix press conference can salvage it to some extent.  I haven't seen a single new game announcement that was the least bit worthwhile.

On a side note, Final Fantasy 7 is scheduled now for March 2020. We don't know yet whether we're still looking at "Part 1/?" or whether they're actually putting effort into this like a complete game. I suppose we'll find out tomorrow.
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Re: E3 2019
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2019, 10:55:36 PM »
Can confirm, wife and I have been trying to find a house to buy and the ones with HOAs have mostly had big red flags attached to them. We know what to look for from the HOA for my parents and grandparents HOAs. Imagine if the crazy quazi-political ranters on Twitter actually had some actual authority met with all those shift managers and middle managers who go overboard at any shred of true authority. It can be a drama infused nightmare.

Super torn on the Star Wars game. On one hand, it is a new single-player Star Wars game; on the other it is being funded by EA. Still in a wait and see mode for it.
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Re: E3 2019
« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2019, 06:52:06 AM »
The Xbox conference had plenty of games, but still felt like a disappointment because I expected more next gen talk, and showing of some next gen games. It was also too long.

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« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2019, 02:35:50 PM »
I enjoyed the XBox show.  I don't, and never will own one but it was an enjoyable, well presented show which knew what it wanted to be.

Bethesda, as usual was a complete and utter disaster.  I mean, I am preconceived to mark it down because I absolutely loathe Bethesda (at least the developer portion of them).  Half the damn show was just mobile games.  They should have just skipped this year but they've got too arrogant for that.  They wheeled out Toddy right at the start and even he had next to nothing to talk (or lie) about. 

Don't get me wrong,  mobile games have their audience. But that audience in general doesn't even know that E3 exists. 

Haven't seen the PC show.  Watching that after work today.

Saw Ubisoft though.  That started really strong then fell down flat.  May as well rename the show to the Tom Clancy conference.  Watch Dogs 3 looked interesting.  Not for me, but I can see the appeal.  Though I think they may have over done the pommy slang a bit.  But that's minor.  Bam Bam lifted it towards the middle though. Gods and Monsters looked great though.  Definitely keeping an eye on that one.

Looking forward to Squeenix purely for Avengers.  It better not be console exclusive or I'm going to be very annoyed.
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« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2019, 03:08:24 PM »
I know they couldn't because of contractual obligations with the city, but they really should have cancelled this year's E3. What an utter dud of a show so far. I can't think of a single worthwhile new announcement this year. It's blatantly obvious that no one can show anything because they're all working on next-gen hardware.

At this point, it's pretty clear that Nintendo's going to decisively have the best showing just by default. Every other company has fallen flat on their face. I think my favorite announcements have been the Yooka-Laylee 2.5D sequel and the Ghostbusters video game remaster? And both of THOSE were announced BEFORE E3.
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« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2019, 04:15:23 PM »
Microsoft has announced a slate of new Xbox 360 Backwards compatible games on Xbox One, another batch of original Xbox games on Xbox One, and...oh yeah, the backwards compatible initiative is over. Funny how THAT didn't make it into yesterday's conference!  :rolleyes:

https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2019/06/10/e3-2019-whats-next-xbox-backward-compatibility/

The ONLY games I wanted out of all this nonsense were Mechassaults 1 & 2, which Microsoft OWNS. Guess which 2 original Xbox games didn't make the final cut!

This E3 is just The Worst.
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« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2019, 04:50:08 PM »
This E3 is just The Worst.
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« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2019, 04:52:18 PM »
This E3 is just The Worst.
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E3 2008 was bad, but in retrospect it's hilarious. E3 2019 has been worse than bad: it's been boring and pointless.
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« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2019, 05:39:05 PM »
Everybody feels like they are holding back because MS and Sony are trying to keep their systems secret.

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« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2019, 06:43:32 PM »
Final Fantasy VII remakes looks good. Tifa is significantly more modestly endowed. Looks like she’ll have to rely on her personality now...

People are freaking out about how the remake is apparently being released as two parts, the first being Midgar which Square Enix is significantly expanding. Makes sense. It was a whole city you didn’t see that much of.

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« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2019, 06:48:30 PM »
Final Fantasy 7 looks great, but I'm concerned at how limited the combat will be if they're confining the 1st release to just Midgar and then the 2nd release to everything else.
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« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2019, 07:05:23 PM »
Final Fantasy VIII finally getting remastered. I’m in. It’s the only original PlayStation Final Fantasy I didn’t play.
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« Reply #28 on: June 10, 2019, 07:20:49 PM »
Final Fantasy VIII finally getting remastered. I’m in. It’s the only original PlayStation Final Fantasy I didn’t play.

Congratulations. You'll finally get to play the 2nd-worst Final Fantasy game (behind FF2)!

Avengers looks like a scam. They won't show us what the actual gameplay is, and they're already talking "roadmaps" for additional content. I couldn't even tell by the footage they showed what KIND of game it is or how it plays. Plus, it's an online game, so **** that.

Square had some stuff to show. FF7 looks fantastic. I'm on. FF8 remastered is a thing people wanted. Avengers looks like a colossal scam, but a lucrative one. Crystal Chronicles remastered is a thing people think they want.
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« Reply #29 on: June 10, 2019, 07:33:41 PM »
I'll keep a passive eye on it but it seems they're going the 'games as a service' route which is worrisome.  They didn't outright confirm no microtransactions so my interest collapsed quite a bit.

I think there was a bit of gameplay scattered throughout that trailer but not enough to gauge anything about it.

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« Reply #30 on: June 10, 2019, 08:08:46 PM »
PC Game show was okay, but nothing really wowed me. Shenmue 3 trailer seemed short.

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« Reply #31 on: June 10, 2019, 08:17:15 PM »
On the subject of Shenmue 3, I hope you weren't a Kickstarter backer for the PC version, because it's now an Epic Store Exclusive and Ys/Deep Silver are NOT offering refunds to PC backers if they don't want an Epic Store key.
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« Reply #32 on: June 10, 2019, 08:26:53 PM »
It was on Steam?

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« Reply #33 on: June 10, 2019, 08:31:58 PM »
It was on Steam?

A physical disc with a Steam key was one of the backer rewards. If you go to the Kickstarter page, you'll probably still see it offered as a reward.
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« Reply #34 on: June 10, 2019, 08:41:32 PM »
Aren't they contractually obligated fulfill those backer rewards at this point?
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« Reply #35 on: June 10, 2019, 08:44:38 PM »
Aren't they contractually obligated fulfill those backer rewards at this point?

You would think so, but they've issued an official statement telling Steam-users to just deal with it.
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« Reply #36 on: June 10, 2019, 08:44:55 PM »
Watched Ubisoft. Boy, that was a bummer of a show. Glad they showed Gameplay for Watchdogs 3, but I remember the fiasco of the first gameplay videos for the original Watchdogs...

Gods and Monsters looks cool though.

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« Reply #37 on: June 10, 2019, 08:47:30 PM »
Aren't they contractually obligated fulfill those backer rewards at this point?

You would think so, but they've issued an official statement telling Steam-users to just deal with it.

But, but, it's still on the Steam store! https://store.steampowered.com/app/878670/Shenmue_III/

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« Reply #38 on: June 10, 2019, 09:00:24 PM »
Aren't they contractually obligated fulfill those backer rewards at this point?

You would think so, but they've issued an official statement telling Steam-users to just deal with it.

But, but, it's still on the Steam store! https://store.steampowered.com/app/878670/Shenmue_III/

I wouldn't expect it to stay there for long...

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ysnet/shenmue-3/posts/2532170

And yes, the Kickstarter comments are NOT happy.
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« Reply #39 on: June 10, 2019, 09:11:02 PM »
I'm tempted to lend a hand in the protest. How should I report this to Kickstarter?
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« Reply #40 on: June 10, 2019, 09:23:20 PM »
I'm tempted to lend a hand in the protest. How should I report this to Kickstarter?

Click on the "Report this Project to Kickstarter" button at the bottom of this page and fill out the info:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ysnet/shenmue-3
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« Reply #41 on: June 10, 2019, 09:31:29 PM »
Oh man, people are ANGRY.

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« Reply #42 on: June 10, 2019, 09:42:30 PM »
In case you wanted to see the original statements where Ys & Deep Silver refused to issue refunds for PC backers of Shenmue 3:

https://www.dualshockers.com/shenmue-3-iii-epic-games-store-steam-refund/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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« Reply #43 on: June 10, 2019, 11:57:52 PM »
SE cant make good games anymore so they are just going to re-release old games. Re-releasing games  like The Last Revenant that are truly average shows they are already scrapping the bottom of the barrel.

Everyone should have a run a mile from Shenmue 3 when Sony used their main e3 event to have fans fund it via kickstarter. It was destined to be shitshow from the start.

Shenmue 3 and FF7 remake "won Sony E3" FOUR YEARS AGO and these games have still not hit the market.


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« Reply #44 on: June 11, 2019, 06:17:29 AM »
Congratulations. You'll finally get to play the 2nd-worst Final Fantasy game (behind FF2)!
I’m aware Squall is apparently a jerkass, and the Junction System is polarizing. I still want to play it, mostly out of principle. I only had enough money for one game back so I chose Final Fantasy VII (Greatest Hits version, ew). Sans-spoilers, why do you think it’s so bad?

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« Reply #45 on: June 11, 2019, 07:41:32 AM »
Congratulations. You'll finally get to play the 2nd-worst Final Fantasy game (behind FF2)!
I’m aware Squall is apparently a jerkass, and the Junction System is polarizing. I still want to play it, mostly out of principle. I only had enough money for one game back so I chose Final Fantasy VII (Greatest Hits version, ew). Sans-spoilers, why do you think it’s so bad?

- The story is convoluted, stupid, and poorly-written.
- The main villain isn't even mentioned until the last 20 minutes of the game, and she has no apparent reason for her master plan.
- The story features one of the most legendarily stupid plot twists/contrivances in the history of Final Fantasy, and that's saying something.
- Every single character who's not Quistis is a moron, and Squall is an emo asshole who's consistently a dick to his friends for really no explained reason.
- The combat is even grindier than Final Fantasy 2's. I hope you love drawing the same magic spells from enemies for hours...in a single battle!
- All the game's weapon upgrades and mamy of the drawable spells are blocked off by synthesizing Cards, so I hope you love playing DAYS of Triple Triad and following a guide so you know what cards to INTENTIONALLY lose so you can get a chance at winning the better ones.
- Because your stats are tied to the drawn magic you junction to them, you only get weaker when you actually USE magic, so you will never use any of the spells you draw for hours.
-Summons can take MINUTES to complete their animations, and if you want maximum effect you'll be mashing buttons while you watch. You summon a LOT since you never want yo use your spells.

The only praise I'll give FF8 is that it has one of the best soundtracks in the series.
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« Reply #46 on: June 11, 2019, 08:08:54 AM »
Sadly I basically have to agree with everything Broodwars writes about FFVIII. It's a mess of a game, but just for the sake of throwing in a few positives:

+Soundtrack is very good.
+The first disc of content is honestly pretty decent, story-wise. (Admittedly this is mostly because you're in the dark about a lot of stuff and the eventual explanations are garbage.)
+Triple Triad, the internal card game, is really fun on Disc 1 as well if you're into simple cardgames at all. (They ruin it for you later on unless you follow a guide.)
+The idea of attaching magic to your stats is neat once it clicks. Fire magic works better for your attack stat, while putting Cure on hit points is a better idea, etc. I have many problems with the junctioning system (especially if you draw the magic from battles, and it makes characters largely interchangeable stat-wise).
+You get a lot of options to basically eliminate combat altogether.

Final Fantasy VIII is a game with really dense systems, the only way it becomes fun is to utterly break them as early as possible. Here's how you should play it: don't bother with random battles, experience points are worthless because enemy levels scale with you. Battles actively make the game harder for you, not easier. Don't bother drawing magic from enemies either, it takes forever. Don't do any summoning after you've seen the animation once or twice, it gets tedious.
Instead: win a few strategically chosen card battles, refine those cards into items, sell the items for outrageous prices. Now, with the world economy basically shattered a few hours in, you do the opposite; buy certain items in bulk, refine them all into magic spells, attach stupidly overpowered spells to your level 9 characters.

Voila, now you're slicing through bossfights with ease, and with ENC-NONE enabled you've completely removed random encounters from the game. Just gotta play some cardgames in specific spots, which is one of the better aspects of the game.
You're still playing a really dumb story with even dumber characters, but at least this way you can eliminate a lot of the gameplay quirks early on. Definitely be selective about sidequests too; I did them all like an idiot and spent 90 hours trudging around the game world when the game had stopped being fun 25 hours in.

So yeah, can't honestly recommend FF8 at all, but there's some compelling aspects you might like. I highly recommend this guide. It's crazy detailed and you definitely don't want to be doing everything here, but FF8 is one of those games where you really want a heads up about certain things.
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« Reply #47 on: June 11, 2019, 10:13:37 AM »
LOL. You guys are raining on my excitement. I'll do some research. Maybe I'll wait until the game is $20.

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« Reply #48 on: June 11, 2019, 10:24:32 AM »
LOL. You guys are raining on my excitement. I'll do some research. Maybe I'll wait until the game is $20.

I would definitely wait until they reveal what cheats will be enabled for this release. If you can skip 90% of the bullshit, I can see someone having fun with FF 8.
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« Reply #49 on: June 11, 2019, 10:27:30 AM »
I expect at least a 2x/4x speed up option like in FFXII. That should help, right?

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« Reply #50 on: June 11, 2019, 12:04:45 PM »
Ranking of the Conferences/Directs/Presentations

1. Nintendo
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2. Square Enix
3. Microsoft
4. Bethesda
5. EA if it counts
6. Ubisoft
7. PC Gaming show

Separate category:
Q: Devolver Digital

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« Reply #51 on: June 11, 2019, 12:11:48 PM »
Ranking of the Conferences/Directs/Presentations

1. Nintendo
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2. Square Enix
3. Microsoft
4. Bethesda
5. EA if it counts
6. Ubisoft
7. PC Gaming show

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Q: Devolver Digital

Yeah, that seems pretty accurate.
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« Reply #52 on: June 11, 2019, 01:39:03 PM »
EA can't count because you didn't pay for their E3 Season Pass
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« Reply #53 on: June 11, 2019, 05:41:26 PM »
Konami just announced a TurboGrafx-16 Mini.

LOL

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« Reply #54 on: June 11, 2019, 05:43:57 PM »
Konami just announced a TurboGrafx-16 Mini.

LOL

Yeah, I'm watching that, too. Just...WHY? Who was out there begging for a modern mini version of the console with 2 good games (Rondo of Blood & Ys)? They won't even announce pricing or the entire games lineup.

Oddly enough, Rondo of Blood wasn't one of the announced games, but I suspect Konami MIGHT be able to negotiate with the rights holder to get that on there.
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« Reply #55 on: June 11, 2019, 05:53:54 PM »
Yeah, I'm watching that, too. Just...WHY? Who was out there begging for a modern mini version of the console with 2 good games (Rondo of Blood & Ys)? They won't even announce pricing or the entire games lineup.

There's some cool stuff amongst the TG-16 releases they put on Virtual Console. Lots of shooters like R-Type, the Super Star Soldier series, Blazing Lazers, Image Fight, Lords of Thunder. There's a couple other good games on there too like the Neutopia games (top down Zelda clones), Bomberman '93 and '94, Alien Crush and Devil's Crush are weird lil' pinball games, and Break In is an okay billiards game haha.
Throw in Ys Book I & II, New Adventure Island, some Bonk games and Splatterhouse... And then you have a very mild curiosity product?

If it's cheap, has savestates, and the emulation is at least on virtual console level I might consider getting one. Don't love those controllers though.

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« Reply #56 on: June 11, 2019, 06:22:43 PM »
I NEED that TurboGrafx-16!!!!

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« Reply #57 on: June 11, 2019, 07:11:30 PM »
1. I don’t know how I’ve been missing these Devolver Digital Big Fancy Press Conference dealie the last couple years.

2. I’m straight up disappointed that “Catsylvania” is a Devolver Bootleg game. I’ve been using that as my online handle for like eight years. It’s like if I was one of the Beastie Boys and some fucking teenager has been using my stage name on Nintendo forums since 2001.

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« Reply #58 on: June 11, 2019, 09:18:36 PM »
Konami just announced a TurboGrafx-16 Mini.

LOL

Yeah, I'm watching that, too. Just...WHY? Who was out there begging for a modern mini version of the console with 2 good games (Rondo of Blood & Ys)? They won't even announce pricing or the entire games lineup.

Oddly enough, Rondo of Blood wasn't one of the announced games, but I suspect Konami MIGHT be able to negotiate with the rights holder to get that on there.

Rondo has been confirmed for the Japanese version so I'd love to imagine it's guaranteed for the West as well.  Of course I hope Konami isn't going to be cute like Sega and give the Western version a bunch of games that haven't aged well while the Japanese and Asian version got a much better deal. 

I mean lets be real, in the West most of the appeal for this system is going to be among hardcore gamers who already know the PC-Engine was the real deal anyway and much of this systems best games remained Japan only because TurboGrafx wasn't popular in the West.  So hopefully whoever is in charge of this thing at Konami realizes and tries to focus on getting the best games available on all the systems and not limit the TurboGrafx mini to what was released in the West because that will greatly limit most of its potential library.
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« Reply #59 on: June 11, 2019, 09:23:02 PM »
[So hopefully whoever is in charge of this thing at Konami realizes and tries to focus on getting the best games available on all the systems and not limit the TurboGrafx mini to what was released in the West because that will greatly limit most of its potential library.
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« Reply #60 on: June 12, 2019, 09:23:59 AM »
Ironically an obscure system like the TurboGrafx 16 is more up my alley because I don't have one and the games are damn expensive used.  It's very much a system where if you didn't build up a collection for it in the early 2000s you're **** out of luck.  So if this is a well made product it's a must own for me.  Unlike the NES/SNES/Genesis I won't already own ANY of the games featured.

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« Reply #61 on: June 12, 2019, 09:32:22 AM »
Are there any games you actually want to play?

I pre-ordered a Neo Geo Mini for the same reason you mentioned before a cooler head prevailed and I realized, “I give zero fucks about any of these games, and I’m not spending $100 on this.” Alternatively, while I own most of the games on the Super Nintendo Classic Edition, it was the most convenient way to play those games for me.

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« Reply #62 on: June 12, 2019, 09:45:40 AM »
Are there any games you actually want to play?

I pre-ordered a Neo Geo Mini for the same reason you mentioned before a cooler head prevailed and I realized, “I give zero fucks about any of these games, and I’m not spending $100 on this.” Alternatively, while I own most of the games on the Super Nintendo Classic Edition, it was the most convenient way to play those games for me.

I didn't get a Neo Geo Mini entirely because it's really expensive and apparently is a pretty **** product.  If it was as good as the SNES Classic and in that price range then I probably would have got it.  For the TG-16 I'd like to give Ys a go and there are lots of SHMUPS I want to try out.  If the real deal was affordable the games listed thus far are some of the titles I would try to obtain.  So it's not so much about specific games but more about sampling a system I otherwise will never play.

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« Reply #63 on: June 12, 2019, 12:13:42 PM »
I'm in the historical novelty camp. I don't think I will ever buy an original version of the TG-16 even if I had the disposable income for it, so a mini version would be a cool way to "display" that part of history with my other old consoles, but it would need to be in impulse buy territory, and I doubt it will ever be priced that low for me.
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« Reply #64 on: June 12, 2019, 03:28:45 PM »
I watched most of the press conferences this year because having a life is for dweebs and I'm an easy mark for marketing. Had a blast chatting with everyone on the Discord and whining about the hard work of developers because they're catering to slightly different audiences than ourselves.
Anyway here's how I'd rank the shows from best to worst:

Devolver Digital - Borderline art. Hilarious show. Total delight to watch.
Nintendo - Good, not great. Highlights were Astral Chain and Panzer Dragoon for me.
Square-Enix - Uneven presentation with terrible pacing, but Final Fantasy 7R is beginning to look interesting.
Bethesda - Not really my jam but expected worse. Doom Eternal gameplay looks fun & colourful, Ghostwire sounds promising.
Xbox -  My highlights were Phantasy Star Online 2 & Psychonauts 2. Some cool indies shown too. Crucially though, I'm not sold on an Xbox (yet).
Ubisoft - Good, snappy pacing, but almost everything they showed wasn't for me. Way too many shooters for my tastes. Watch_Dogs 3 sounds promising but I have a lot of doubts if it'll actually be compelling.

Didn't watch EA's stuff or the Epic Games show. Tried watching the Limited Run Games show for a bit but this format did them no favours. It was borderline unwatchable to be honest. They showed a lot of gameplay but it was rrrrrreal easy to lose track of what game they were even showing.

Overall: Not a great E3 for me at least, felt most of the big titles were afraid to show gameplay (barring Doom Eternal and Watch Dogs 3. Final Fantasy 7R just showed combat but no other gameplay). That said, chatting with everyone made it super fun nonetheless. Plus it's interesting to look outside my Nintendo bubble and see the sheer variety of games people are making nowadays.

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« Reply #65 on: June 13, 2019, 12:18:13 AM »
This e3 had some memorable moments.

Keanu Reeves
and Banjo Kazooie

I'd say this is the best e3 since Pikmin got announced.
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« Reply #66 on: June 13, 2019, 07:18:19 PM »
If they could get away with it Microsoft should release the scarlet in march of 2020 to get a head start on the playstation five.

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« Reply #67 on: June 14, 2019, 06:38:25 AM »
Konami just announced a TurboGrafx-16 Mini.

LOL

Yeah, I'm watching that, too. Just...WHY? Who was out there begging for a modern mini version of the console with 2 good games (Rondo of Blood & Ys)? They won't even announce pricing or the entire games lineup.

...

Just saw some of the discussion here about TG-16 Mini. (Not all of which is so dismissive.)

I agree that PC Engine was pretty awesome in Japan, but that it released too late and flopped hard as TG-16 in North America.

There are still a bunch of good games though. Bonk, Bomberman, Rondo of Blood, Wonder Boy/Dragon's Curse, Military Madness, a few interesting pinball games, Ys series, and a ton of shooters like Raiden and Soldier Blade and Lords of Thunder... there are more, but that's what jumps to mind.

However, I hit the TG-16 library pretty hard back in the Virtual Console days. There's not a whole lot that I want to play but don't already have access to, and TG-16 games don't really have the same name recognition to hit nostalgia like the Nintendo and Sega systems do.

I'll keep my eyes open though. If the games library has some surprises and the price is ok, maybe I'll still end up getting one to complete my mini collection? Maybe.
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« Reply #68 on: June 14, 2019, 04:33:32 PM »
Just saw some of the discussion here about TG-16 Mini. (Not all of which is so dismissive.)
I feel like this is at least partially addressed to me so please allow me to retort:

1. Konami hyped a “special announcement” at E3. Was it worth the hype? I would argue no, it wasn’t.

2. PC Engine was only really successful in Japan so it’s weird that Konami would announce this thing in North America. Admittedly, E3 is one of, if not the industry’s largest convention. Making such an announcement would make sense for almost any product other than a retro console.

3. Konami didn't announce a price, release date, or even how many games will be on this thing. There isn’t enough to get excited about. Let me know when Castlevania: Rondo of Blood is officially announced for TurboGraphx-16 Mini. To me, it just further illustrates how out of touch Konami is. Withholding so many details makes me think this thing is going to be hella expensive. If it’s more than $80, GTFO. Nintendo and Sega set the bar. Super Nintendo Classic Edition has the better selection; Sega Genesis Mini has incredible value.

4. TurboGraphx-16 Mini is strangely huge for what it is. PC-Engine Mini and PC Engine Core Graphx Mini seem appropriately sized.

5. Konami announced a multiplayer adapter. What? This thing has a peripheral other than a controller?! Does Konami not understand the purpose of these officially sanctioned mini-throwback consoles? How many people would even care if game X or Y (or basically just Bomberman) didn’t fully support five players? It’s nice and all until the realization sets in that Konami probably just wants to sell an extra (albeit optional) thing to people. If it really wanted to support five-players, just put five USB ports on the unit itself. Those things are cheap and at least it wouldn’t play off as trying to nickel and dime consumers. Again, it illustrates how out of touch Konami is. I refuse to give this company the benefit of the doubt because...

6. There aren’t many video game companies that have done more in the past decade to destroy their own goodwill than Konami. It hasn’t given me a good reason not to be dismissive.

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« Reply #69 on: June 18, 2019, 01:11:31 PM »
Top games of E3 for me:

Shenmue 3
Psychonauts 2
Final Fantasy 8 Remaster
Final Fantasy 7 Remake
Abe's SoulStorm


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« Reply #70 on: June 18, 2019, 05:49:35 PM »
I forgot about Oddworld Soulstorm

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« Reply #71 on: July 12, 2019, 09:03:49 AM »
Most of the TurboGrafx 16 Mini discussion was in here so I'll bump this up.  The full lineup has been released.  https://www.konami.com/games/pcemini/us/en/

It includes 50 games, approximately split evenly between US and JP releases.  And here's the cool part - both versions get ALL of the games for all regions!  So, yes, Dracula X is on the US version along with a lot of cool imports.  Yeah, I'm getting this.  I will need PS Classic like dumbshittery to be revealed before release for me to change my mind.

Though I will say that some of the JP releases will have a big language barrier for us English speakers.  They included Snatcher on this, which under normal circumstances would be very cool, but the only English version of that was for the Sega CD so I don't think I'm going to actually be able to play this version.  That game has a little too much reading for someone that doesn't know Japanese.  Still I like how this realizes that only hardcore game nuts are into something like this so they're not overly concerned with people being confused or turned off by games in a different language.

Also since Nintendo raised the bar so high this is a clever way to offer something they couldn't.  Sega did a similar thing by having more games than Nintendo did.  So now Konami offers more games than Sega did and lets everyone access the imports.