Author Topic: Mac OS X Leopard (10.5) (Read 7624 times)

Nick DiMola · « **on:** October 25, 2007, 05:43:32 PM »

So tomorrow is a lovely day. All Mac users will have the opportunity to upgrade Tiger to the new version of OS X, Leopard. Alot of the backend changes to the OS have me really excited as well as Spaces on the front end. I'll definitely be upgrading my iMac tomorrow, anyone else going to be basking in the glory of Leopard tomorrow?

wandering · « **Reply #1 on:** October 25, 2007, 06:52:17 PM »

I didn't know it was coming out so soon I'll upgrade as soon as I have:

external harddrive

optical drive

(I want to do a clean install and my tibook doesnt have a working cd drive)

Mashiro · « **Reply #2 on:** October 25, 2007, 09:54:10 PM »

Fun fact: I start working at an apple store on Saturday =D

On Topic: Actually, I won't be buying leopard right away for one reason, I want to see how World of Warcraft and Ventrillo run on the new OS. I know ventrilo has a UI glitch that should be fixed upon launch and WoW should be fine but I like to make sure first.

So once a week goes by and I see everything is aok then I'll buy it ^^. I did the same with Tiger.

I am really happy that there is a UI option to make the dock have a 2D appearance once again, one thing I personally disliked was the 3D dock. Everything else looks phenomenal and I can't wait for the new finder. According to some early reports everything got a very nice speed boost and that's always a good thing.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #3 on:** October 25, 2007, 10:04:07 PM »

I'd wait for Leopard II, the first one was rather shoddy.

Karl Castaneda #2 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 25, 2007, 10:59:42 PM »

I'm probably going to do a RAM upgrade before committing to Leopard. So I'll join the rest of ya in another couple months or so.

UltimatePartyBear · « **Reply #5 on:** October 26, 2007, 05:13:13 AM »

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I'd wait for Leopard II, the first one was rather shoddy.

I'd wait for Leopard part 6, starring Bill Cosby.

Freyr · « **Reply #6 on:** October 26, 2007, 05:42:41 AM »

Speaking of upgrades, I just upgraded to Xubuntu 8.04 "Hardy Heron" on my notebook from Xubuntu 7.10 "Gutsy Gibbon".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xubuntu
http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron

Might just start using debian testing "lenny" instead, more options, control and less crap.

that Baby guy · « **Reply #7 on:** October 26, 2007, 05:53:53 AM »

I shot a leopard once.

But in all seriousness, I know very little about this. My sister purchased a Mac book very recently. Should I prompt her to upgrade? If not now, when? Ever?

Freyr · « **Reply #8 on:** October 26, 2007, 06:07:56 AM »

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I shot a leopard once.

But in all seriousness, I know very little about this. My sister purchased a Mac book very recently. Should I prompt her to upgrade? If not now, when? Ever?

Things like Tiger in a nutshell are a bundle of patchs rolled up into one huge single patch put on a disk, so unless you like to be on the bleeding edge, I would wait a few months to see if others are having a smooth time upgrading. Unless you really now what your doing, most of the time I recommend to people never upgrade unless their is a new feature, the update gives, that you want. If it's a single patch or a important security patch, generally upgrade should be ok.

Or you can have the install disk, blow away the current installation and reinstall fresh. But you will lose all the stuff that was on your computer. In any case before you ever do a major upgrade or reinstall, backup. Backup often.

Nick DiMola · « **Reply #9 on:** October 26, 2007, 06:26:31 AM »

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I shot a leopard once.

But in all seriousness, I know very little about this. My sister purchased a Mac book very recently. Should I prompt her to upgrade? If not now, when? Ever?

Things like Tiger in a nutshell are a bundle of patchs rolled up into one huge single patch put on a disk, so unless you like to be on the bleeding edge, I would wait a few months to see if others are having a smooth time upgrading. Unless you really now what your doing, most of the time I recommend to people never upgrade unless their is a new feature, the update gives, that you want. If it's a single patch or a important security patch, generally upgrade should be ok.

Or you can have the install disk, blow away the current installation and reinstall fresh. But you will lose all the stuff that was on your computer. In any case before you ever do a major upgrade or reinstall, backup. Backup often.

For your general user, there is no pressing need to upgrade your OS as of right now. If you are a more technical person, Leopard has a huuuuuuge number of improvements over Tiger, some visual, most on the backend. There have been great lengths taken to ensure operation of both 32 bit and 64 bit software as well as a much safer operating system through sandboxing and memory randomization.

Mashiro · « **Reply #10 on:** October 26, 2007, 06:45:46 AM »

Well lemme say this Thatguy.

I've started using a mac with Max OS X 1.0. I upgraded to every subsquent version (2.0,3.0,4.0) without ever having any major problems. Not a fresh install just an install over my current system. Usually things go smoothly and I haven't had any issues doing so.

I usually wait a week or so just in case any wacky bugs are discovered from the get go but its nothing major typically for every-day-use average computing.

I would recommend the upgrade just for the fact that finder should no longer be old and outdated *yay*. Spaces also may be quite handy for some users and time machine is greet for backing up data.

Check out the Apple web site for all the new features.

Apple OS upgrades generally make the system run faster and smoother than before as well. It's always a good purcahse IMHO.

Freyr · « **Reply #11 on:** October 26, 2007, 06:53:45 AM »

I never said Tiger had no improvements, I said just be a little weary when you can do major upgrades, till they have been out for a while and many more people have tried it out to see if they had any show stopping problems, because of some odd thing they did not know about when as apple was testing it. Just let the people that always upgrade at the first moment they can, kick the tires a bit.

Nick DiMola · « **Reply #12 on:** October 26, 2007, 06:18:58 PM »

Well, I'm currently posting from Leopard and I must say, this is one sexy beast. Definitely slicker than Tiger and significantly faster, at least on my machine. Took a damn long time to install, but it was totally worth it. Spaces seems to be working nicely and Time Machine is definitely cool. The new Finder is definitely different feeling, but ultimately way cooler and a welcome improvement. Stacks on the launch bar seem kind of stupid, I'll have to try them out for a while and see if I get something out of them. All in all though, I am enjoying this upgrade, and it's numerous improvements over an already excellent OS.

matt oz · « **Reply #13 on:** October 26, 2007, 08:35:00 PM »

Is it worth $129, considering I'm a student on a pretty tight budget? (And when I say tight, I mean I haven't even had the money to buy a video game in over two months.) The only thing on the front-end that interests me is the Spaces feature, and I feel that my computer already runs smoothly enough that I don't need more speed or anything.

18 Days · « **Reply #14 on:** October 26, 2007, 08:52:00 PM »

I am very excited. Does anyone know if they're still supporting G3s? I recall ove r a year or so ago the Leopard page stating "From G3 to Dual Core, there is only one Leopard" but then it was ninja edited out.
Not that It matters since I'm on a G4.

Freyr · « **Reply #15 on:** October 26, 2007, 11:10:17 PM »

Here are the specs from apple, looks like G4 or newer only.
http://www.apple.com/macosx/techspecs/

Mashiro · « **Reply #16 on:** October 26, 2007, 11:11:36 PM »

This was the first OS version to drop G3 support I believe:

(From tech specs page)

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Mac computer with an Intel, PowerPC G5, or PowerPC G4 (867MHz or faster) processor

Edit: beaten to the punch nooo lol

Nick DiMola · « **Reply #17 on:** October 27, 2007, 06:17:45 AM »

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Is it worth $129, considering I'm a student on a pretty tight budget? (And when I say tight, I mean I haven't even had the money to buy a video game in over two months.) The only thing on the front-end that interests me is the Spaces feature, and I feel that my computer already runs smoothly enough that I don't need more speed or anything.

$129 is a pretty steep investment for what you get. Most of the improvement is on the backend, though the frontend stuff is nice. I would probably hold off till you get some more cash in hand. Though it is fantastic, $129 is a ton of money if you can't even afford videogames.

decoyman · « **Reply #18 on:** October 27, 2007, 07:19:08 AM »

Unless I'm mistaken, it looks like I can get my hands on Leopard for about $70 (retail box, from the looks of it) through my university (I'm a student and staff member). Not sure if that's just my university's price or if others have similar deals. It's definitely something to check out if you're a student.

And, what's this about a performance increase??? I thought upgrades in operating systems had to slow your systems down, while requiring more resources!

Mashiro · « **Reply #19 on:** October 27, 2007, 07:52:46 AM »

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And, what's this about a performance increase??? I thought upgrades in operating systems had to slow your systems down, while requiring more resources!

That's only windows my friend

Shift Key · « **Reply #20 on:** October 27, 2007, 12:56:49 PM »

Wow, what a bunch of circle jerking going on in here.

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That's only windows my friend

This just in - OS X has the blue screen of death feature - its only appearing for some people who upgrade, heads up.

"hmmmm. I feel like a windoze user now. I have re-installed and it has been sitting there with a blue screen for4 1/2 hours. Not good. I am not installing this on my desktop since I need one computer to work. Speaking of work...don't have a work computer as of now"

Full hilarious thread here because I'm not doing OS X tech support for you

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Alot of the backend changes to the OS have me really excited

Who the hell gets excited about backend changes?

Anyway, trashbags aside, Time Machine looks like a cool feature (in Soviet Russia data backup you) and Spaces looks a lot like virtual desktops from various operating system (I prefer multiple screens personally, switching back and forth gets old quick). The rest looks like "service pack" features.

Mashiro · « **Reply #21 on:** October 27, 2007, 01:41:41 PM »

Evidently that's caused by some sort of weird application enhancer (3rd party?) someone already found a work around/fix.

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Wow, what a bunch of circle jerking going on in here.

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Who the hell gets excited about backend changes?

Hai guys my name is shift key and I have no friends . . . so I'm gonna make fun of everyone in this thread lololololol.

GTFO seriously.

Nick DiMola · « **Reply #22 on:** October 28, 2007, 02:31:04 AM »

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Alot of the backend changes to the OS have me really excited

Who the hell gets excited about backend changes?

People who know jack about computers. As a programmer, for me back-end improvements = better performance from the hardware I already own. So when I'm running an IDE, an app server, a database viewer, the terminal, an AIM client and my web browser, my computer is less likely to slow down or crash.

If you like a safer more secure OS you probably like back end changes too. Now my computer is running Leopard which randomizes items in memory which totally kills the ability to do buffer overflowing, and it sandboxes applications, just another step towards curbing the threat of viruses and hacking. Guess that stuff sucks and isn't worth caring about.

Pretty ridiculous that you felt the need to step into this thread and troll. Why don't you let me know what's cool that way I can get excited about it and "circlejerk" with you?

Shift Key · « **Reply #23 on:** October 28, 2007, 04:26:49 PM »

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Pretty ridiculous that you felt the need to step into this thread and troll. Why don't you let me know what's cool that way I can get excited about it and "circlejerk" with you?

I wouldn't circlejerk with you in a million years.

Its just amazing how defensive people can be over such minor issues (sup mash, still struggling on interpreting sarcasm eh?). Lighten up.

El Gato · « **Reply #24 on:** October 28, 2007, 04:49:17 PM »

My copy should be here in a couple of days. The only hang up seems to be application enhancer by Unsanity llc. Since I already uninstalled that I'm hoping for no issues on the install itself. My only beef with apple on this OS is they should have updated the Bash shell to the current version and I hate having to download the unix utilities I use the most again.

nickmitch · « **Reply #25 on:** October 28, 2007, 06:47:14 PM »

I probably won't upgrade until after Christmas. I want to upgrade my ram and get an external hard drive first.

decoyman · « **Reply #26 on:** October 30, 2007, 05:21:37 PM »

Well, picked my copy of Leopard up today... now comes the hard part: wait until my new hard drive arrives on thursday. Yes, TVman, I'm playing the "upgrade first" game too. I got my MBP with the 100GB 7200rpm hard drive, but have run into space constraints, of course (jeez, I mean, it's fast but it's only 100GB!).

So, I ordered a 2.5", 7200rpm 200GB drive and an external 2.5" hard drive enclosure w/ Firewire. I'll swap my old 100GB drive with the new 200GB one, and pop the old one into the enclosure to get a small 100GB, USB- or Firewire-powered external hard drive out of the deal. Then I'll just do a clean install on the new hard drive and migrate over. So I've gotta wait. Hurry, newegg... hurry!

wandering · « **Reply #27 on:** October 31, 2007, 03:27:54 PM »

I changed my mind. Leopard looks tasty, however, I don't think I'll be installing it on my titanium powerbook. For nostalgia's sake, I'd like to keep a machine with OS 9 installed, and Leopard doesn't have Classic.

Instead of Leopard, I'll pick up a new Macbook.

Mashiro · « **Reply #28 on:** November 01, 2007, 09:44:59 AM »

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Instead of Leopard, I'll pick up a new Macbook.

Good call, our macbook line just got updated today =)

New Santa Rosa intel chips, 800 mhz front side bus (I think) and a beefed up graphics card. Oh and it's a little lighter than the previous macbook as well.

I'm installing Leopard on my first machine at the moment. I'm sad that Apple won't be updating or supporting their CS1 and CS2 line with this upgrade, oh well. Apparently it should still run under Leopard but there may be problems. In a few hours I'll know I guess haha.

18 Days · « **Reply #29 on:** November 01, 2007, 03:26:19 PM »

what's this I need 9GB of HDD space to isntall? I only have 6!

Mashiro · « **Reply #30 on:** November 01, 2007, 03:37:59 PM »

So I just finished my installation on two computers.

Some immediate impressions:

Quick View is very cool.
New finder ROCKS. So much faster and organized than the old.
New dock is so so. The 2D version still works better and thankfully there is a work around to make the 2D side views work for the bottom view.
New mail is nice.
Spaces is cool.
The new spring loading folders from the dock are ok . . . I wish the icon wouldn't become a mix of what is in the folder though (or at least customizable). Also, the added function of just making the folder open on click would be nice.
New folder designs are ugly.

Oh and as always the system is running nice and smooth and somewhat faster. Safari is even a little faster AND has been updated to a new version supporting more CSS elements than before which is very nice.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #31 on:** November 01, 2007, 03:40:53 PM »

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Pretty ridiculous that you felt the need to step into this thread and troll. Why don't you let me know what's cool that way I can get excited about it and "circlejerk" with you?

I wouldn't circlejerk with you in a million years.

Its just amazing how defensive people can be over such minor issues (sup mash, still struggling on interpreting sarcasm eh?). Lighten up.

Don't worry, people get defensive over a poor man's OS!

Shift Key · « **Reply #32 on:** November 01, 2007, 03:55:54 PM »

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Don't worry, people get defensive over a poor man's OS!

Shouldn't you be off in another thread trumpeting Vista's benefits?

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #33 on:** November 01, 2007, 03:58:26 PM »

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Don't worry, people get defensive over a poor man's OS!

Shouldn't you be off in another thread trumpeting Vista's benefits?

Sadly there is none.

Shift Key · « **Reply #34 on:** November 01, 2007, 04:00:53 PM »

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Sadly there is none.

The thread or the benefits?

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #35 on:** November 01, 2007, 04:02:49 PM »

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Sadly there is none.

The thread or the benefits?

Actually I was referring to a thread about the benefits of your FACE, which sadly has none.

Mashiro · « **Reply #36 on:** November 01, 2007, 04:08:42 PM »

Microsoft deserves lots of credit for Vista!

It actually came out!

Fun new functions for OS X 10.5:

- Snippets. Allows you to cut portions of a web page and make it a widget instantly.
- Mail now has the ability to figure out what names and addresses are. A name when mouse overed will give you an arrow allowing you to click and add/edit in your address book. With an address you can do the same but it also gives you a "map" option that will auto run a google map search for said address.
- iChat has some fun new video effects. However, the Star Wars hologram effect is not present and that makes me sad =(
- iChat now supports invisible mode.
- iChat now has a "screen sharing" feature.
- Safari has a wonderful new search function. Control F is much much much nicer now.
- Safari now allows you to not only check spelling but check spelling and grammar.

So far I am loving the speed the OS has over Tiger. Which I never thought I would say (or would be possible), outside of finder of course which is now finally up to speed.

Shift Key · « **Reply #37 on:** November 01, 2007, 04:09:02 PM »

Shift Key · « **Reply #38 on:** November 04, 2007, 10:33:19 PM »

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Fun fact: I start working at an apple store on Saturday =D

I knew there was someone who worked in an Apple store in this there. Here's a nice story for you, and it starts off with "I'm looking for a J-Phone."

http://www.burbia.com/node1470.htm

Nick DiMola · « **Reply #39 on:** November 04, 2007, 10:59:52 PM »

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Fun fact: I start working at an apple store on Saturday =D

I knew there was someone who worked in an Apple store in this there. Here's a nice story for you, and it starts off with "I'm looking for a J-Phone."

http://www.burbia.com/node1470.htm

Wow that's an awesome story. I'm not big on going into the Apple Store because you always seem to get two types of people. The guy in that story being a total dick or the completely clueless idiot who doesn't know the difference between the various products they sell (but still act like a total dick regardless). Plus the store is fairly useless, with nothing much inside except their hardware and other over priced goods.

Shift Key · « **Reply #40 on:** November 04, 2007, 11:23:19 PM »

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The guy in that story being a total dick or the completely clueless idiot who doesn't know the difference between the various products they sell (but still act like a total dick regardless).

My only experience with Apple store staff was the latter (a kid who may have been 18 Days' long lost cousin) and it was a fairly redundant experience because my sister had made up her mind about what she wanted and none of my antagonizing of the employees would change that.

It was fun for me though.

Mashiro · « **Reply #41 on:** November 05, 2007, 02:48:06 AM »

Yeouch Apple Store hatred FTL.

Well I can't speak for all stores and that story is pretty messed up but the one I work in has a really nice staff of people; all pretty well educated on what we sell and I haven't seen anyone act the slight bit "dickish" yet.

Everyone should be treated with courtesy regardless of their knowledge of your products.

News:

Author Topic: Mac OS X Leopard (10.5) (Read 7624 times)