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Announced Winners

Most Improved Player: Pascal Siakam

Rookie of the Year: Luka Dončić

(Late) Predictions

Most Valuable Player: Giannis Antetokounmpo

Defensive Player of the Year: Giannis Antetokounmpo

Sixth Man of the Year: Giannis Antetokounmpo Lou Williams

Coach of the Year: Mike Budenholzer (really surprised Nick Nurse wasn’t even a finalist)

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Movies & TV / Re: Rate the last movie you've seen
« on: June 22, 2019, 03:46:48 PM »
Toy Story 4

I was a bit skeptical when Pixar announced it was working on a sequel because I thought the ending of Toy Story 3 was perfect. Once I read the premise involving a character that was written out of Toy Story 3, I was on board. The story does feel a little unnecessary though I guess one can argue all movies are unnecessary. If Pixar never made this movie, I don’t think anyone would have been dissatisfied with the way Toy Story 3 left things. That said, the ending here is similarly fitting, a little bittersweet. Overall, the movie is excellent though the writers “cheat” a little bit here and there. For example, Woody is Bonnie’s favorite in Toy Story 3. Andy doesn’t leave Woody if she wasn’t so insistent. However, he’s the only one of Andy’s toys “left in the closet” in Toy Story 4. Kids are fickle so I guess it’s possible, and more importantly, Woody’s arc doesn’t work without it. Also, the chances of Woody and Bo Peep reuniting are so infinitesimal (not sure that’s a spoiler since it’s in the trailer but just being safe). Then again, this is a world full of living toys so it doesn’t really matter. It crossed my mind yet didn’t prevent me from enjoying the ride. I think I like Toy Story 3 better, but that isn’t a knock on Toy Story 4, and I don’t want to take anything away from it. I highly recommend Toy Story 4. It has good dialog and some really genuine moments. Check a look.

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There’s no “acceptable” reason to pick a team. It’s all arbitrary.

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@ejamer
I only intended to correct the spelling of “Barkley” and “Kawhi”. I didn’t think “a Charles Barkley in shape” and “Charles Barkley’s shape” really changed the context, but okay.

I agreed with you on player comparisons...

@broodwars
Not from what I read. Derek Fisher asked for his release so he could relocate to a team/city closer to specialists for his daughter (”Fisher said he wants to live in one of the six or seven cities being considered for Tatum's care.”). What kind of “gentleman’s agreement” has provisions on a little girl’s cancer treatment? “Go get your daughter the care she needs, but you can’t play for the Lakers.” I don’t know Fisher (though he’s done some weird **** in the last few years), but if he felt Los Angeles offered the best care, I’m not about to call him out on it. The Knicks were also $40 million over the salary cap in 2007 and had two point guards on the roster. Were they even an option for Fisher? The Nets had four point guards that year. The Clippers were still owned by infamous racist and cheapskate, Donald Sterling. With all that in mind, one would have to believe Fisher used his daughter’s illness to receive his release which ultimately cost him $24 million to play for a statistically worse basketball team. And he waited 10 days after the July moratorium to sign. If you want to believe that, go for it. I suppose that’s possible. I’m not treading those waters though.

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I wonder if he was Derek Fisher's agent, too, considering the "gentlemen's agreement" that the Jazz organization had with him.
I checked Pelinka’s Wikipedia page, and yes.

I typically side with players on these matters. Yes, even Boozer. It was hella shiesty but get paid. I just don’t feel bad for billionaire owners when it comes to money. You bought a professional sports team, and it’s going to cost you if you want to build a winner. The Cavaliers could have matched the Jazz’s offer except they didn’t want to pay the luxury tax.

As for Fisher, I won’t pretend I know where the best eye cancer facilities are in the country. I don’t think it’s a stretch that Los Angeles and New York have some of the best doctors in the country. He gave up $24 million over three years to sign with the Lakers as a role player under the 2007 salary cap. There aren’t a lot of things that could make me give up $24 million. “My daughter has cancer” would be one of them.
... described as a Charles Barkley in shape with Kawai Leonards hands at the shooting guard position ...

So a mix of Barkely and Leonard, and still available at the 46th pick? Huh...

*shakes head*
Hold on. Let’s take a step back. BeautifulShy wasn’t commenting or implying skillset or talent.

“Charles Barkley’s shape” suggests to me Tucker needs to drop some weight. Barkley was a power forward and known as the “Round Mound of Rebound.” He was also 6’4” and purposely ballooned up to 300 lbs to dissuade the Sixers from drafting him because the salary cap limited what the Sixers could pay him (prime Barkley was roughly 250 lbs). Tucker is a shooting guard at 234 lbs. For comparisons’ sake, Kobe Bryant was 212 lbs at 6’6”. Kawhi Leonard is 229 lbs at 6’7” but primarily plays small forward.

“Kawhi Leonard’s hands” = Tucker also has freakishly large hands. That doesn’t say anything about how good his defense is.

This is one of many reasons I don’t like player comparisons. When someone exaggerates or re-contextualizes someone else’s words, the words don’t mean anything anymore.

Player comps = lazy analysis. They’re great for sound bytes but read like bad Spark Notes. If you’re not paying attention, every bald, black guy who jumps high is Michael Jordan. Looking at everyone who called Harold Miner “Baby Jordan.”

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While the Lakers being incompetent is hardly surprising, Rob Pelinka not understanding the cap/CBA is.

Does anyone remember Carlos Boozer’s departure from the Cavaliers in 2004? He was due to earn $700,000 on an option year, well below his production at the time averaging a double-double in points/rebounds. There was apparently a gentleman’s agreement between the Cavaliers’ front office and Boozer/his agent. The Cavaliers chose not to pick up the option, allowing Boozer to become a restricted free agent. Instead of signing the Cavaliers’ six year, $41 million offer, he signed the Jazz’s six year, $68 million offer which the Cavaliers could not match. Boozer’s agent was Rob Pelinka. The agency was apparently so horrified by this they dropped Boozer as a client (which almost never happens) and Pelinka resigned. It’s believed he was forced out because he orchestrated the entire thing.

1. This is one of the reasons everyone hates Rob Pelinka.

2. Considering how good he was at getting his clients paid by doing shitbag stuff like the story above, I’m having a hard time believing Pelinka, of all people, didn’t know how the cap works.

3. Last year, the Lakers waited until September 1 to waive and stretch Luol Deng, notably after he gave money back. This allowed Deng’s contract to be stretched over three years instead of five and for under $5 million per year, allowing the Lakers to open up cap space for a 10-year vet max contract ($37.5 million). Again, I’m having a hard time believing Pelinka didn’t know how the cap works.

4. It’s more likely that Pelinka just wanted the Anthony Davis deal finished by any means necessary (i.e. he doesn’t get that done, fired immediately) and he’d figure out the rest later. Again, the Lakers still have a path to max salary cap space that doesn’t involve asking the Pelicans to wait until August 1. It’s shortsighted, sure. Not quite as incompetent as being a general manager who doesn’t understand the cap.

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Just throwing this out there. Is there any reason to have max cap space but not spend it on a max player? Like maybe getting more players out of the max cap space before using the exceptions and vet min contracts?
Already acknowledged and discussed.

It’s always better to have cap flexibility, and I can see why any team would do their due diligence to get as much as possible. It’s just weird that the Lakers are apparently hell bent on freeing up cap space specifically for a max salary so they either have the inside track on a max-level player or they’re panicking for no reason. I’m leaning toward the latter because *broadly gestures to everything Lakers-related over the past six years*

Still, I don’t think the Lakers absolutely need cap space for a max contract because

1. They’re probably not getting a seven to nine year vet max level player like Kawhi Leonard or Kyrie Irving.

2. Even if a seven to nine year vet agreed to sign, I don’t think roughly $3.5 million this year is really a dealbreaker. The reason they’d sign isn’t strictly monetary. Get close enough and it’s probably fine. There are ways to work around the lack of a full max contract so player X eventually gets their money.

3. If the Lakers need to clear cap space, they can clear cap space. It isn’t as if Wagner or Bonga are valueless. It may cost a second round pick or cash considerations, but they have options.

Anyway, cap space specifically for a max salary isn’t that important; the flexibility certainly is though. In any case, the Lakers should have a decent amount of money to fill out the roster in one of the deepest free agent classes in years.

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From what I have been reading about the AD trade the Pels are not likely to help out the Lakers with a delay of the trade or with moving pieces around so they may only have 23 million to 27 million depending on if Davis forgos the trade bonus.  The Lakers are also trying to shed the contracts of Wagner, Bongo and Jones in the trade to a third team to match ADs incoming contract.  So they may not even have enough for a max contract.
My understanding is the Lakers can still open up cap space for a max contract, and they're trying to "just in case" Kawhi Leonard, Kyrie Irving etc. are interested. I don't think that's a good enough reason to "scramble" (as Woj put it) to clear Moe Wagner, Isaac Bonga, and Jemerrio Jones from the books. If free agent X agrees to sign, figure it out then. Jones is on a non-guarunteed contract so he can be waived. The Lakers would only need his salary for matching purposes.

If an extra $4 million helped the Lakers fill out the roster or convince a marque free agent to sign, Davis likely waives the trade bonus. Bleacher Report's Eric Pincus mentioned on a podcast that the trade bonus is mostly to dissuade teams from trading for a player if he doesn't want to go there. Except we all know Davis wanted to go to the Lakers, they gut the roster and surrendered future draft picks to get him, and the expectation is that he'll make it more difficult for the team to sign players?
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I kinda think the Lakers should just use the cap space they have currently on filling out the roster and keeping Wagner, Bonga and Jones as 2nd and 3rd string options.
Unfortunately, they're just on the wrong timeline. The Lakers are in win-now mode even though they'll likely re-sign Anthony Davis. They want to make the most of pairing James and Davis. The roster spots are for players who can contribute immediately. Bonga, for example, was always considered a project. That was before the Lakers traded everyone away for a top five player.

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There’s talk of the Lakers possibly bringing back D’Angelo Russell. Don’t know if he goes for it, but I’d love to have him back. The Lakers can throw Magic Johnson under the bus and blame him for trading Russell to the Nets and/or pitch it as not trading him means no LeBron James which ultimately means no Anthony Davis.

Unless the Lakers can finagle Kawhi Leonard, full out the roster with non-max guys. **** it. Bring back a bunch of former Lakers. They may still have $32.5 million on July 6. Split cap space between Julius Randle and D’Angelo Russell. Sign Brook Lopez for the mid level exception. Bring in Trevor Ariza (former Laker AND Rob Pelinka client) and Pau Gasol on vet minimum deals. I want Gasol to retire a Laker and a champion like he rightly deserves.

As for the rest of the roster, bring back Alex Caruso, Reggie Bullock (not sure he takes the vet minimum), and Javale McGee. George Hill will probably sign for the vet minimum. That brings the total roster to 11. Per the Collective Bargaining Agreement, the minimum number players on a team is 13 (12 active, one inactive). I’m sure the Lakers will sign Carmelo Anthony because I have to be mad at something. Can they talk one of the Morris twins or JJ Reddick into taking the vet minimum for a chance to win a title this year? Sign a couple two-way players from the G-league and leave the two roster spots open for buyouts at the trade deadline.

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- 2 late 1st round picks that probably never would have amounted to anything anyway.
Maybe, maybe not. As a Jazz fan, you especially shouldn’t be dunking on late first round picks. Rudy Gobert was the 27th pick.

The Jazz have done exceptionally well turning late first round picks into gold. They used the 24th pick and Trey Lyles to trade up for Donovan Mitchell. Mike Conley is probably worth the picks they’re giving up. Have to give something to get something. The Jazz know that better than most teams.
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Losing Crowder hurts since he WAS the one guy besides Mitchell who showed up in the playoffs, but otherwise the Jazz kind of got away with highway robbery, especially since we still have the cap space to sign a big name 3rd option.
I think both teams get what they want. The Grizzlies are doing exactly what they should be doing. They’re tanking rebuilding as well as they can despite the new lottery odds. Stocking up on draft picks because their 2020 pick is top six protected then unprotected in 2021 if it doesn’t convey in 2020 is a good move. The Grizzlies are also clearing cap space so they can absorb bad contracts in exchange for more assets should the opportunity present itself.
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I'm just amazed that Dante Exum lifeless body wasn't part of this trade. The management must have serious faith in him, because he has the health of Greg Oden.
Perhaps even the Grizzlies were like:

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I didn’t know enough about the Jazz to comment on whether it was a good trade. Nice that they got their guy. I like Donovan Mitchell so I want the Jazz to be more competitive.

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Sources: Conley sent to Jazz for 3 players, picks

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The Memphis Grizzlies have traded guard Mike Conley to the Utah Jazz for Grayson Allen, Kyle Korver and Jae Crowder, the 23rd pick in Thursday's draft and a future first-round pick, league sources told ESPN.

The Jazz will send a protected 2020 first-round pick to the Grizzlies, league sources told ESPN. That pick will convey as a late lottery pick in 2020 or 2021, or become a lightly protected pick from 2022 to '24. The deal will be complete on July 6.
Broodwars, thoughts?

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I don’t think it’s possible to underrate the talent of the 2004 Pistons. They beat a super team. Full stop.

No way the Raptors beat the Warriors when healthy. Steph Curry got triple teamed. That isn’t happening with Kevin Durant on the floor.

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Despite all the posturing from Raptors players about how they weren’t afraid of the Warriors, they knew they probably don’t win if Klay Thompson and especially Kevin Durant were healthy. Doesn’t matter though. The Raptors won, and that’s what will be recorded in history books. Given all the Warriors injuries, the Raptors absolutely should have won. The narrative would have been devastating had the Raptors lost. They’d be the team that choked again even without LeBron in the East while Steph Curry willed a broken down team to victory. Don’t want that in the history books. Ultimately, the Raptors won a championship they had no business losing given the circumstances. The narrative isn’t glamorous, but it doesn’t have to be.

The Rockets won when Michael Jordan was in baseball exile because his gambling problem would have been bad for the league. I remember that. Still, history will always remember them as champions and especially the 1995 team that was the sixth seed. The 2004 Pistons took down prime Shaq and Kobe without a superstar of their own. I don’t think that’s comparable to the 2019 Raptors. Off the top of my head, the 2011 Mavericks are the only team that is comparable. Dirk Nowitzki and co faced three superstars, down 0-2, and still won.

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TalkBack / Re: This Could Be the Nintendo Switch Mini
« on: June 18, 2019, 09:40:29 PM »
This looks shopped. I can tell from some of the pixels and from seeing quite a few shops in my time.

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TalkBack / Re: Classic SEGA Arcade Games Will Not Be In Shenmue 3
« on: June 18, 2019, 12:35:06 PM »
With the popularity of selling retro games as digital downloads it now seems funny that there was a time where games like that would get included as a free unlockable in a new game.
To add to this, it’s kind of wild that there was a time when porting old releases to new hardware wasn’t even a consideration and some companies were so reckless with their inventory they lost source code of entire games. Nintendo apparently even lost the Wavebird molds despite including GameCube controller ports on Wii.

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I’m going to give this a chance because of Karl Urban. I’m skeptical. It does seem really try-hard. I saw a different trailer where non-Marvel Ant-Man literally dives into a vagina. Edgy!

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But I did think the Lakers should have been able to get a slightly better deal.
It may even be worse. According to Woj and Bontemps, currently the plan is for the trade to go through on July 6 and for Anthony Davis to not decline his trade bonus. I have a feeling Davis will decline his bonus to help the team. More importantly, if the Lakers gave up all those assets and couldn’t even manage to get the Pelicans to bend on postponing the trade, it doesn’t bode well for the rest of the summer. Rob Pelinka basically got on his knees then (fill in the rest depending on how dirty you want to make that mental image). Worst case scenario, the Lakers are working with $23.7 million in cap space. Enough to get a few decent rotation guys but not a max contract.

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AD is amazing when healthy (but he's also often injured).
I feel like the Pelicans absolutely robbed the Lakers given how little leverage they actually had - Davis was leaving regardless. Two picks, two one swaps, and a few decent players isn't a bad haul all things considered.
Robbed is a bit of an exaggeration. We won’t know who wins this trade until all the draft picks are made because none of the players the Lakers traded are as good as Anthony Davis. The last pick is some kid who is currently in middle school.

I think the trade is pretty even given where each franchise is with the edge given to the team that gets the best player in the trade. The Pelicans weren’t getting comparable talent value for Davis even if you combine all the assets. The amount of assets they received still means they did very well. The Lakers know they don’t need those draft picks if Davis is their centerpiece moving forward. I hate when players take a discount for billionaire owners, but we know they will to play with a superstar and for a chance to compete for a title. The Lakers gave up more than they probably needed to since there were no other offers close to what the Lakers had especially with the Celtics refusing to put Jayson Tatum on the table. Apparently, David Griffin wouldn’t even pick up the phone until the Lakers offered three picks. If the Lakers played hard ball, I think they could have kept Josh Hart and/or added any protection on the 2024/2025 draft pick. As stated above, the pick swap is supposedly a sweetener for the Pelicans to delay the trade and give up $4 million in cap space to the Lakers which at this point is more valuable to the Lakers than it is for the Pelicans.
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Suggesting that Kawhi goes there seems ridiculous based on everything he's said and done so far - just doesn't seem like a good fit for him from a positional/personality standpoint (although obviously the Lakers, like any team, would love to have him).  I still hope he signs a 1+1 w/player option contract in Toronto; that would push him to 10 years service and higher possible contracts, let him defend the championship he just won, and keep things stable for one more year in a franchise and city that will bend over backwards to support him. That said, everyone knows he misses being in LA and the Clippers could be a great fit for him.
Kawhi Leonard is a mystery. No one knows what he’s thinking. I doubt money is a motivating factor because he’ll get paid anywhere and if he goes to Los Angeles, he’ll make back most if not all money left on the table just by being in a larger market and especially the Lakers because they’re the “glamor franchise.” Personality wise, joining the Lakers would create a strange dynamic. The media would give LeBron James the bulk of their attention yet after the Finals, they seemed to acknowledge Kawhi Leonard as the unquestioned best player in the league (with Kevin Durant tearing his Achilles). Does Leonard get what he wants? The praise without nearly as much attention?

Positionally, any team with that much talent would just make it work. James prefers playing the small forward but should play power forward/point forward. Davis prefers playing the power forward but should play center. All three are versatile enough to switch based on the situation. Joining a super team has its pros and cons. The Raptors claimed they weren’t afraid of the Warriors, but that was easy to say with Kevin Durant injured. At the same time, a super team is top heavy and as we just saw, injuries to one of those players can be devastating.

If the Lakers managed to sign one of Kawhi Leonard/Kyrie Irving/Kemba Walker etc. and LeBron James is honest with himself (chances are he isn’t), he should be the third option and be more of a facilitator during the season then unleash Playoff LeBron® in May. The problem especially last year is that he had to do so much on offense because he didn’t have much help on that end. For years, he’s been “resting” on defense. That’s harder to do without an elite defender like Kawhi Leonard also on the team. Regardless, I’d bet on the Lakers scheduling losses by resting both James and Davis on back-to-back games as well as random nights.

If a team can land Kawhi Leonard, they should and figure out the rest later. Personally, I’m leaning toward wanting the Lakers use their cap space on great rotation players to fill out the roster around James and Davis rather than chasing another superstar.

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Per ESPN’s Tim Bontemps, the future picks the Lakers are giving up are:

1. 2021 (top eight protected, unprotected in 2022)
2. Unprotected swap in 2023
3. Unprotected pick in 2024
4. Unprotected swap in 2025

ESPN’s Bobby Marks suggested one of the pick swaps may be the Lakers “paying” the Pelicans to postpone the trade to July 30 so they can get that extra max slot.
According to Los Angeles Times’ Tania Ganguli, some corrections on the future picks the Lakers are giving up:

1. Reverse protection in 2021. The Pelicans get the pick only if it’s top eight only in 2021 otherwise unprotected in 2022
2. Unprotected swap in 2023
3. Unprotected pick in 2024 with right to defer in 2025

Only one swap, not two. Bontemps apparently misunderstood the pick situation in 2024/2025. That deferment is interesting. Basically, the Pelicans are betting the Lakers will be bad in 2022 yet gave themselves an in if the Lakers are bad in 2021. If Davis re-signs a full five year max next year and stays relatively healthy, those picks probably won’t be lottery bound. Still good assets to have. Some food for thought: Kawhi Leonard and Giannis Antetokounmpo we’re both picked 15th.

Hopefully, the Lakers will snag some solid rotation players in 2020 and (probably) 2021.

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Per ESPN’s Tim Bontemps, the future picks the Lakers are giving up are:

1. 2021 (top eight protected, unprotected in 2022)
2. Unprotected swap in 2023
3. Unprotected pick in 2024
4. Unprotected swap in 2025

ESPN’s Bobby Marks suggested one of the pick swaps may be the Lakers “paying” the Pelicans to postpone the trade to July 30 so they can get that extra max slot.

The Lakers are betting on re-signing Anthony Davis for the rest of his career. Barring any catastrophic injuries, he would be the draw for free agents for the next eight to 10 years in addition to whoever they sign this summer. If the Lakers win even a single championship because of this trade, it’ll be well worth it because winning one is hard enough.

The Pelicans are betting the Lakers will be bad by then. The Lakers draft very well, but they're the only team that can get away with shipping out so many picks without devastating the entire franchise for too long. Granted, they were gutter trash for half a decade and got shafted by free agents during those summers. Then what? Superstar talent will always want to play in Los Angeles. The Lakers gave up a lot of picks and I don’t love it, but it’s defensible. The picks are more valuable to a small market team like the Pelicans even if the Lakers manage to sign a third superstar next month.

People are comparing this to the 2013 Nets trade. The Nets didn’t get an at worst top seven player. Personally, I place Davis fourth.

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AD will play out the year and enter free agency next season so....good luck with that one year rental LA.
Maybe, maybe not. Sources: Lakers reach deal for Pelicans' Davis
Quote from: Adrian Wojnarowski
Davis has long planned to sign a new contract with the Lakers once he becomes eligible for free agency in 2020, sources said.
Anyway, Lakers gave up more than I hoped they would, notably the picks which (after 2019) I'm guessing are 2020 and 2022. Since the deal can't be finalized until July 6, the Lakers will select for the Pelicans on draft night which frees up the 2020 pick from the Stepien Rule. I thought the Lakers could have stood their ground to only give up two picks: 2019 and 2020. I hope the Lakers at least managed some protection like they did with the Steve Nash and Dwight Howard trades.

Also interesting is if both teams wait until July 30 and Davis waves his trade bonus, the Lakers will have $32.5 million in cap space. As an eight year veteran, Kawhi Leonard's max contract is expected to be $32.7 million if he signs with another team (depending on the salary cap). Not saying he'll sign with the Lakers, but they'll make a run at him. According to ESPN's Brian Windhorst, LeBron James has started recruiting Kawhi Leonard and Jimmy Butler to Lakers.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Is The 3DS Dead?
« on: June 14, 2019, 10:58:20 PM »
Why is Sushi  Striker still $39.99? There are a ton of games that need to fall in price.

For BNM: https://youtu.be/Emi74MDRMV8

TLDW: Nintendo doesn’t drop the price of its games because people will buy them at full price years after release.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Is The 3DS Dead?
« on: June 14, 2019, 09:43:17 PM »
Is there a chance Dragon Quest 11 could eventually be on the 3DS outside of Japan?
No. E3 was the last chance for it to happen, and Nintendo/Square Enix focused on the Switch version which even includes the 16-bit sprite mode from the 3DS version.

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Is it bad that I'm more inclined to believe this account than what the sheriff's office says?
No. That is the correct response.

Objectively speaking, who has more to gain by lying? A Warriors season ticket holder is defending the opposing team’s general manager. It’s encouraging that he was decent enough to speak up.

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