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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Super Paper Mario 4/23/07 ???
« on: February 07, 2007, 01:15:39 PM »
Someone likes pointing out minor discrepancies in my posts....

Nintendo Power rarely gets any big exclusive news or anything. Happy? All I'm saying is that you'd think the magazine would have a semi-consistent flow of insider Nintendo news to offer.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Something that bugs me (about games on the Wii)
« on: February 07, 2007, 01:07:42 PM »
Wii also happens to be devoid of Japanese RPGs. The closest Nintendo is to filling that gap is Fire Emblem, which is more strategy RPG than anything. There is that mysterious Camelot RPG that seems to have fallen off the face of the planet so that doesn't even really count.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Wii stronger then the first Xbox ?
« on: February 07, 2007, 01:03:36 PM »
Rogue Leader also recieved a T rating from the ESRB.

Also, I'd say Twilight Princess is just as "mature" as Ocarina of Time which was rated E by the ESRB. The initial print even had red blood, something Twilight Princess does not have. The ending is particularly less daring than both Ocarina and The Wind Waker, which has Link stabbing Ganon/Ganondorf in the forehead respectively. I don't think that's appropriate for children. I'm not debating ratings. I'm arguing the elusiveness of the word "mature."

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Manhunt 2 from Rockstar? Whoa...
« on: February 07, 2007, 11:28:31 AM »
It'll take more than Wii controls to make GTA good.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Super Paper Mario 4/23/07 ???
« on: February 07, 2007, 11:24:13 AM »
Nintendo Power sucks as an official magazine of Nintendo of America. They never have any exclusive news or anything.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Wii stronger then the first Xbox ?
« on: February 07, 2007, 10:31:36 AM »
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its was still regared as appropriate for children so calling it mature is a strech no matter hwat you say.

Twilight Princess is still regarded as appropriate for children and I would still call that "mature."

And you still haven't explained why Rogue Leader targets younger audiences nor have acknowledged the subjective nature of the word "mature."

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Wii stronger then the first Xbox ?
« on: February 07, 2007, 08:41:12 AM »
The definition of "mature" is subjective in nature.

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It was directly targeted towards SW fans, who are also CHILDREN beleive it or not.

There are Star Wars fans who aren't children, believe it or not. I admit that Rogue Leader appeals primarily to Star Wars  fans and to a lesser degree shooter fans, but there's nothing about the game that suggests that it is targeted at a younger audience. A statement like "kids like Star Wars so Rogue Leader isn't a mature title" doesn't make sense. There are depictions of relatively realistic violence and death. We're not seeing spaceships zoom around, but it's not cartoon violence.

I distinctly remember the interview where Lucas says Star Wars was targeted toward kids yet Princess Leia frenches her brother (yeah, she didn't know, but still) then becomes Jabba's slave, Jango Fett (unfortunately) gets decapitated, Anakin gets dismembered and burned after slaughtering a bunch of young Jedi and so on. The adventure and heroism along with the various fantasy elements involved in Star Wars make it appealing to kids (and adults alike). That doesn't necessarily make Star Wars a kid's movie nor is everything associated to it inherently for kids. The movies are filled with images and themes that are decidedly not appropriate for children.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Manhunt 2 from Rockstar? Whoa...
« on: February 06, 2007, 07:06:55 PM »
They're totally not available anywhere from what I've witnessed. I've seen some classic controllers at Target, but they might have sold since last I checked. Game Crazy has had controllers shipped 3 times since launch, with about 5 or 6 with each shipment. They're gone almost as soon as the employees open the boxes containing the precious, precious controllers. If you look fast enough, you might see a Wii controller package shaped cloud of dust.

Anyway, I bought an extra sometime in December and I pre-ordered Wii Play.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Something that bugs me (about games on the Wii)
« on: February 06, 2007, 04:07:03 PM »
In a perfect world, I'd want 3rd parties to release all the great games I want to play and none of the filler. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. To get the great titles you have to get the crap with it. I'm not buying ass titles so if I don't care if they're on Wii as long as I get an amazing game too. I could care less about Naruto if I got Soul Calibur 4. I could care less about Generic Chocobo Whore Fest if I got Chrono 3.

I would definitely take variety. There should be games for everyone even if the ratio was like 4:1 crappy to amazing games. I know most of the games will likely suck and I won't play them, but whatever, as long as 3rd parties still provide some great innovative and imaginative titles.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Mario Party 8 still set for a March release?
« on: February 06, 2007, 03:48:11 PM »
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NeoThunder wrote:
The only reason you should ever pre-order a game is if they give you something extra for nothing for the pre-order. A T-Shirt, Zelda Ocarina of time bonus disk.....whatever.

I love freebies. Soul Calibur 2 art book like a motherf*cker....

I have to disagree though. Pre-orders are great and it comes off whatever you pre-ordered. All you have to do is remember what and where you pre-ordered. I pre-order at Game Crazy. It's just infinitely more convenient seeing as I work in the same building.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Manhunt 2 from Rockstar? Whoa...
« on: February 06, 2007, 02:46:53 PM »
Manhunt 2 trailer

I know, IGN sucks, but if you're patient enough to sit through all the buffering, it's up there... though in 17 seconds it'll probably be on youtube and you can squint through the whole thing.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: New Bust-a-Move Bash trailer up...
« on: February 06, 2007, 02:41:37 PM »
I thought he meant new controllers. Jeez, God forbid someone asks an honest question.....

I don't trust used controllers because there's a very high chance of them being worn out or broken. A friend of mine learn that the hard way....

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: New Bust-a-Move Bash trailer up...
« on: February 06, 2007, 02:05:23 PM »
Where?

GCN controllers are still $24.99 at my local Best Buy and Target.

I wonder when Gamecube will drop in price. It's been $99.99 since for quite some time now. I want to pick one up even though I have a Wii. I never should have sold mine.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Manhunt 2 from Rockstar? Whoa...
« on: February 06, 2007, 02:02:33 PM »
Did anyone watch the teaser trailer?

"This game is not yet rated."

hahahahahahaha.....

By the way, they don't show gameplay (as expected) so I guess we'll have to wait a little longer to see how this looks on Wii.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Wii stronger then the first Xbox ?
« on: February 06, 2007, 01:36:46 PM »
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ok first adrock GETOVER IT, Rogue Squadron doesnt even COMPARE ITWAS A 64 GAME OF COURSE IT WAS GOING TO BE ON GC DUH!

Um, ok... that made sense.... LucasArts could've published that game on whatever platform they damn well pleased. Factor 5 also could've developed for Sony... which is what they're doing now.  

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Manhunt 2 from Rockstar? Whoa...
« on: February 06, 2007, 11:05:20 AM »
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ryancoke wrote:
Seeing as most members of this forum are hardcore Nintendo fans, i'm not surprised to see so many "man hunt sucks" responses.

Ehh, I didn't like Manhunt for the same reason I don't like GTA or Dead Rising. It just got old after a while. It's not my cup of tea. I don't mind violent games, but they have to keep me interested. I have a Wii and I bought a 360 for my brother last year. There are better games I can get on either of those consoles than Manhunt 2.

Oh, by the way, that avatar is hilarious. I love how the button doesn't allow the user to "touch."  Hahahaha... genius....

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Manhunt 2 from Rockstar? Whoa...
« on: February 06, 2007, 09:12:48 AM »
Jack Thompson is also face possible disbarment for five counts of professional misconduct.

Now, let's all point and laugh in Jack Thompson's direction.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Manhunt 2 from Rockstar? Whoa...
« on: February 06, 2007, 09:10:50 AM »
360 and PS3 are getting GTA4. Both are set of an October 16, 2007 release.  

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Wii stronger then the first Xbox ?
« on: February 06, 2007, 09:07:27 AM »
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smash_brother wrote:
Star Wars is a kids movie by Lucas' own admission. Red Steel is a FPS built around shooting people in the face and slicing them up. Just because there's no blood doesn't make it any less of a violent game.

My point is that Rogue Leader and Red Steel are both "mature" titles. Red Steel, like Rogue Leader, is ONE game for the platform. It's a start... just like Rogue Leader was a start but I don't consider it a leap of faith.

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Thing is, I haven't heard anything bad about ports and their sales numbers. Moreover, this is still progress for the Wii and that's the real point here. Your argument is that these are being released a year later. My argument is that the GC never would have seen this games at all but these companies feel comfortable spending the money to bring them to the Wii.

What I've described in my previous post is a very real scenario. It's happened before. That's how publishers work. They had no faith in GCN to sell those kinds of games so when they did release games, they were aimed at younger gamers.

Still, they're cashing-in on old games using new hardware. It's some form of progress, but the point is still misleading. I don't think you really get my argument. So I ask again, what happens when there are no more last generation games to quickly port to Wii?

These 3rd parties aren't taking advantage of Wii hardware. They're going for the quick buck while they can.

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Moving development resources to work solely on your platform is not something the GC saw very much of...if at all.

Every multiplatform game is proof of this happening in one way or another. They go to different teams either in house or a developer is commissioned to work on a specific console version. The difference here is Wii's new controls and non-HD graphics though there is no real indication that the Wii games be better or different. It's support, I'll agree to that.

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Companies don't just say these kinds of things at random.

It's still PR. Don't take it for more than it actually is.

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I know what you're saying, but I think the Wii's real competition is the 360.

Well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.... which actually reminds me of the Teacher's Strike episode of the Simpsons......

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Also, we have Manhunt being released for the Wii as the ONLY next gen console. Frankly, I myself am scratching my head as to why the Wii would be the next gen exclusive for a game which I'm sure would sell well on the 360 and one the PS3 would want for potential sales.

With all the hoopla over next gen systems, PS2 continues to do well. There's too much money to be made there. To me, the Wii version exists as a combination of Reggie Fils-Aime's negotiations with Take-Two/Rockstar and because it'll probably be a near exact port of the PS2 version, outside of Wii Remote support.

Yes, a step in the right direction. I won't argue that. As I said before, consistency is necessary and Nintendo needs to continue to get these types of games long after they're developed primarily with the PS2 in mind.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Wii stronger then the first Xbox ?
« on: February 06, 2007, 07:10:49 AM »
I've already said that things are changing, but they are in the middle of changing. That is different than when others have said that things have already changed. Manhunt is a step in the right direction. I'll happily admit that. Still, it's one game. Nintendo needs consistency from 3rd parties and it needs to continue long after these types of games are developed primarily with the PS2 in mind.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Manhunt 2 from Rockstar? Whoa...
« on: February 06, 2007, 07:05:15 AM »
It's a port, but at least it's (supposedly) coming out at the same time as the PS2 version. That's a entirely different from getting Scarface or Mortal Kombat Armageddon months after initial release on other consoles. I may hate Manhunt, but this is still good news for the Wii.  

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Wii stronger then the first Xbox ?
« on: February 06, 2007, 06:53:51 AM »
I took my forum name from Adrock of the Beastie Boys. If I'm not mistaken Arbok is a Pokemon.

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smash_brother wrote:
However, I should point out that dramatic leaps of faith toward the Wii are already being made.

1. Red Steel is ONE game that wasn't a port. How is this different than on Gamecube? I could argue that Rogue Leader (also rated Teen by the ESRB) was a "mature" title.

2. See, the problem with these ports is that they were released last year on more popular platforms. Most people who wanted to play those games already bought them. Sure, some people who didn't buy those last year may to buy them, but very few are going to buy them again for Wii. That leads to relatively low sales numbers on Wii and those publishers coming to the conclusion that Wii is not a good console for "mature" titles which, in turn, will lead primarily to more games aimed at younger demographics. Those companies are trying to make a quick buck on the popular Wii and the quickest way to do that is through ports. Even with low sales, they are likely to turn a small profit because few resources were spent porting the games. What happens when there are no more last generation games to quickly port to Wii? That's why Nintendo needs publishers to release new games (new IP or established franchise) to "test the waters."

3. I've already said my piece concerning EA. As for Disney, are you referring to Fall Line Studios? From what I gather, they're a sister subsidiary to Disney-owned Buena Vista Games, which happens to support 360 and PS3 as well. To me, that doesn't sound like Wii is getting exclusives, especially given Disney's history of whoring out their franchises. I wouldn't be surprised if they simply developed the Wii version of multiplatform games, same goes with EA. Yes, support is support, I guess. It's better than nothing, but don't act like this is a "leap of faith" since both of those companies support every platform.

And of course both EA and Ubi Soft are going to say they want to be the biggest publisher on Wii. They're not going to say they want to be the second biggest or the third biggest. That's just PR.

Wii isn't targeted toward older gamers and I'm not saying it is or should be. I'm saying that in order for Nintendo to keep expanding its marketshare it needs a wider selection of games, not mostly kid's titles and a few genre games for everyone else. Wii release lists don't point to it changing in the next several months. That leaves the market open for Sony to come back with their big exclusives. Marketshare right now is a non-issue. It seems to me that 3rd parties are still banking on PS3 to deliver, despite Nintendo's early lead. If Nintendo continues they way they are now, the games will come. However, by that time, Sony may hit its stride. A price drop and some huge titles will quickly reverse their fortunes. That doesn't automatically mean doom and gllom for Nintendo. It means that this console race is anyone's for the taking. I agree, Nintendo is doing just fine and I've continually said this. You've been acting like Nintendo is on its way to winning and that Sony is on its way to losing. During the N64 days, Nintendo didn't have that same support that Sony has with PS3 which is why Nintendo continually lost marketshare to Sony. As much as I absolutely despise Sony, I can't count them out. There's no reason to as long as they still have the support they have from 3rd parties. I don't think that's such an outrageous assessment.    

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Wii stronger then the first Xbox ?
« on: February 05, 2007, 05:45:06 PM »
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segagamer12 wrote:
besides that theres also scarface and Mk armageddon, another game GC didnt get, serioulsy dude your losing the argument so nows a good time to get out.

You're coming at me with Wii ports of last generation games. That says more about what Vivendi and Midway think of Wii. Those are total cash-in titles. Yeah, publishers need to make money, but they can make money releasing new titles instead.

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jasonditz wrote:
So are all those kid's titles.

Yes, BUT after the ports, Nintendo still had more games aimed strictly for kids while other platforms get these cool exclusives across different genres, kids games included. Where were the fighting games? Where were the RPGs? Where were the first person shooters?

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Crave wrote:
So my question and frustration is, why is this NOT the starting point for first gen Wii games? Oh they didn't have the dev kits in time...give me a break. Didn't developers just spend the last several years developing for the Gamecube? So we should see some great looking first gen Wii titles, and expect 1st gen Wii control at least. The whole reason for this post was to point out that I see alot of LAZY work, wall filler I call it, being released, and not kind of quality we all come to expect from Nintendo and it's developers. I know they can do better, which is why it upsets me.

Yes, exactly.

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Hocotate wrote:
Well there goes any credibility you could've hoped to have had here.... I'm debating whether I should quote that in my sig or not, but I wouldn't want to crush what little credibility you'd have left from the people who didn't see your post.

Since your taste in games is obviously very different from mine, we'll go by the sales... Tell me how well the PS3 software is selling.

More childish insults...

I understand your point. They're NOT selling especially well YET PS3 is still getting the big name franchises. Maybe they'll get ported to 360, maybe not; the point is moot. If they get ported to 360 and not Wii, Nintendo still didn't get those games. Tell me why Final Fantasy XIII couldn't be made for Wii. Graphics is all I can think of so it's basically bullsh*t why games like that aren't coming to Wii. I think Final Fantasy XII looks PHENOMENAL on PS2. Imagine what they could do with Wii. Nintendo isn't getting those titles though. That's my point. Wii is flatout raping PS3... so why are those games still coming to PS3 and NOT Wii? That is why I don't buy everyone's assertion that PS3 support is dropping so greatly and support for Wii is that much different from Gamecube. Better, but not that much better. I believe Wii is the most attractive console. However, Wii is getting a lot of ass filler games. It's still not the priority to 3rd parties.

I'm waiting for major 3rd parties to step up and choose Wii over PS3 and 360 with games built from the ground up for Wii that won't be ever make it to a competing platform. I'd like to see new games though a major established franchise would also be proof of Nintendo's emerging 3rd party support. I remember when Capcom devoted the entire Resident Evil franchise to GCN... then built a PS2 version of RE4, even going as far as to repeatedly announce exclusivity then announce the PS2 version BEFORE the GCN version comes out. During the course of last generation, Capcom gave Nintendo 2 exclusives Resident Evil Zero and P.N. 03 while also supporting PS2 and Xbox with everything else that never made it to GCN. That's the kind of crap I'm weary of happening on Wii. Do I have any reason to believe otherwise? Not yet.  

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Wii stronger then the first Xbox ?
« on: February 05, 2007, 12:23:29 PM »
Yeah, but Godfather is on other platforms.

Look, I'm not saying 3rd party support is absolutely terrible. It's improved from Gamecube, but it's no where near where it should be. I think we can all agree that Wii is doing exceptionally well in the market as of today. That being so, I don't think Nintendo's current 3rd party support reflects the recent success. That's why I'm not celebrating yet. Nintendo is still in the middle of a long battle. 3rd parties are watching the console closely, but they haven't really committed themselves to Wii. The largest teams are still being devoted to creating PS3 and 360 titles. I think Wii might see that support eventually, but it isn't here yet so I remain skeptical until that changes.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Wii stronger then the first Xbox ?
« on: February 05, 2007, 12:08:09 PM »
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Mario wrote:
Variety, piss off. You're saying every colourful game is exactly the same. Guess what, if you replaced Pikmin enemies with tanks, it'd still be the exact same game, it would just have a more restricted audience.

You're getting irritated by posts on an internet forum.... Sigh... Piss off? Whatever, dude.

You're oversimplifying my point or rather changing it entirely. Publishers are putting the same exact types of games on Wii. I fear we'll keep getting more and more of these games. We saw this happen on GCN. 3rd parties released tons of titles aimed at the younger demographic, many of them were ports. PS2 and Xbox got way more exclusives, across different genres. Right now, this hasn't really changed on Wii. I don't mind kid's titles, they play games too. However, a real change would see 3rd parties releasing games across different genres and age groups on Wii for different types of gamers. Wii would get all kinds of games, not just titles clearly aimed at younger gamers. Despite Nintendo's best efforts, Wii is still viewed as a "kid's console." I don't agree with it, but when a company like Konami unveils a game like Dewey's Adventure, I can't help but think back to what happened to Gamecube.

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I enjoy a good debate but this isn't even good, you're just making up things as you go along. It's not going to work anymore because this is my last post in this thread.

You will be missed.

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