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General Gaming / Re: E3 2012 Memes

« on: June 11, 2012, 02:59:21 AM »

Oh, so we found out what the deal was with the fireworks. Confetti and stuff was supposed to rain down simultaneously (a single piece actually fell down during the conference), but something failed and nothing came down, making for a very awkward moment.

I was wondering what was up with that single piece of confetti that dropped shortly before the end of the conference. Then I was surprised that nothing happened at the end... kind of fitting if you think about it though.

LOL, E3 was so disappointing this year that one piece of confetti is all it was worth.

BTW, what is the singular of confetti? Confett?

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Zombi U, I'm warming up to it

« on: June 10, 2012, 09:36:55 PM »

The name of the game should be changed from Zombi U to Zomwii U.

Get it?

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Get it?

No, I don't.

Care to explain?

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General Gaming / E3 2012 Memes

« on: June 10, 2012, 09:34:31 PM »

One of the best things to come out of each year's E3 (aside from the games) is the various memes that are spawned. Who can forget the Giant Crabs or the "My Body is Ready" and other memes from years past? But this is 2012, and what Memes has this year's conference spawned?

I have seen comments from people about how bad or horrible this year's E3 was, so shouldn't there be something Meme worthy that can be salvaged from this wreckage?

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TalkBack / Re: Wii U Has 8 GB of Internal Storage

« on: June 10, 2012, 08:47:21 PM »

almost all thumb drives come preformatted.

This is true, but they might not necessarily be correctly formatted in a filesystem that the console will be able to accept. FAT32 seems to be the most widely accepted filesystem for devices, but this filesystem can't support really huge volume sizes, so newer cards have to be in something else, and not every device will necessarily support it.

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TalkBack / Re: Treyarch Hints at Call of Duty: Black Ops II Wii U

« on: June 10, 2012, 08:40:22 PM »

While I don't doubt this game is coming to the Wii U, it is possible it won't make for a simultaneous release to match that of the PS360 version. That might be a good thing though, if it means they are taking more time to work in new features.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*

« on: June 10, 2012, 02:23:47 AM »

Does SK own any portion of Eternal Darkness, or can Nintendo theoretically move the project to some other developer at some point down the road?

Maybe this is the secret project Retro has been working on?

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: What's going to be packed in with the Wii U?

« on: June 10, 2012, 02:21:49 AM »

Another possibility is they could just include both.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: What's going to be packed in with the Wii U?

« on: June 10, 2012, 02:12:59 AM »

I doubt there will be an HDMI cable.

Well, I have no idea what Nintendo will do, but since HD is supposed to be a major selling point of the system I think it would be wise for them to toss in a $5 HDMI cable to help get that ball rolling. If they only include a composite cable that will be what a lot of consumers will end up using by default, and they won't as much of a pronounced difference in the graphics from the Wii they already have. I think including an HDMI cable is essential, and as you said they are dirt cheap these days, so there is probably only trivial difference in cost between that and a composite cable.

The PS360 may not include HDMI cables, but bear in mind that they came out way back at a time when such things were very expensive and not well adopted as they are now. Times have changed and it now makes sense for this to be included. But I wouldn't be surprised if you are right and Nintendo doesn't include it, considering how backwards they can be about embracing current industry standards. I'm just saying this is what I think they should do, but not necessarily what is going to happen.

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TalkBack / Re: Wii U Has 8 GB of Internal Storage

« on: June 10, 2012, 02:03:16 AM »

I just don't see any downside to offering consumers a choice. You think an "elite" SKU with a HDD and a few other extras is a rip off? Fine, you don't have to buy it. No big deal. I'm not saying they 8GB basic SKU shouldn't exist, I'm all about choice. I just don't understand how some people like Uncle Bob are so against that. It would only be an option.

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TalkBack / Re: Wii U Has 8 GB of Internal Storage

« on: June 10, 2012, 01:09:49 AM »

So... Nintendo should prey on consumer ignorance before other companies do it?

I don't call it "preying" when you are selling something at or near cost, which is what would be the case with a Wii U + HDD SKU. Some people who would buy it may not use it to the fullest extent, but its not like they aren't getting bang for their buck. Maybe its not a bang they need or use, but at least they get it...

That's a far cry from cheap plastic shells or "Official Wii" SD cards being sold for a huge markup. Those are PREYING on consumer ignorance.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: What's going to be packed in with the Wii U?

« on: June 10, 2012, 01:06:25 AM »

Instruction manual would be a safe bet. :

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TalkBack / Re: Wii U Has 8 GB of Internal Storage

« on: June 10, 2012, 12:34:17 AM »

So... you want Nintendo to take advantage of consumer ignorance?

Speaking of taking advantage of consumer ignorance, have you ever went to a place like Walmart and seen those "Wii SD cards" that 3rd parties offer right next to the Wii stuff? They cost like two or three times more than they should, and clearly they are marketed for suckers who don't know that any standard SD card would have sufficed.

Not to mention all those stupid plastic shells that the Wiimote snapped into to turn it into a golf club or tennis racket or whatever. Do you think that wasn't preying on consumer ignorance? Preying on consumer ignorance was pretty much the stock and trade of Wii accessory manufacturers.

And with Nintendo making the Wii U depend on SD cards yet again it looks like history will be repeating itself. Expect these "official Wii U" SD cards to show up at Walmart at a huge markup. You don't really see that so much on the PS360 because those systems don't depend entirely on SD cards. That's the advantage of going with an internal hard drive.

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TalkBack / Re: Wii U Has 8 GB of Internal Storage

« on: June 10, 2012, 12:25:25 AM »

Casual consumers are too confused by external storage, but offering them multiple SKUs isn't too confusing?

I'm sure it would confuse some, but it wouldn't be a big deal because its still the same system... worst case scenario is they would be spending a little extra on a feature they wouldn't really use. From Nintendo's perspective this wouldn't matter, and to a casual they probably wouldn't even know any better and would be blissfully ignorant. They would just know their Wii Fit U and Carnival Games U work and that's all that they care about. For them the 8gb model would have been sufficient, but them having a lets say 250GB hard drive model of which they only use a small percentage has no real downside other than that they've spent a bit more than necessary.

Casuals still could benefit from a hard drive anyway if they use the system to download music, movies and TV shows or whatever.

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TalkBack / Re: Wii U Has 8 GB of Internal Storage

« on: June 09, 2012, 11:38:35 PM »

As it stands I'm pretty confident the Wii U will be $350 at launch. With an internal hard drive or SSD, that would be up to at least $400. This is a compromise on Nintendo's part to keep the price as low as they can.

There are those who would pay $50 or $100 more for a premium SKU that includes a HDD and maybe one or two other extras. The 8gb model might be fine for the mass market, but I don't see the harm if Nintendo offered an optional "elite" version for those who demand it. Again, its worked out well for the Xbox 360.

And its not like Nintendo themselves have never done something like this before, because the original NES had multiple SKUs with one being the basic thing and another having Duck Hunt and a light gun, and another "premium" version that included that plus ROB and his game.

The 8GB model could be marketed to casuals and come with NintendoLand as its pack in, but for $50 or $100 more they could offer one which includes a HDD, NSMB U, and perhaps one of those optional game pads. They could also give it a different color, like perhaps red.

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TalkBack / Re: Wii U Has 8 GB of Internal Storage

« on: June 09, 2012, 09:17:13 PM »

Anyone who says "I want the Wii U to fail" has already decided the Wii U is not for them.

My opinion on the Wii U is subject to change. Right now after seeing what I have of it at E3 my opinion is really low. Things could turn around. I understand E3 isn't necessarily the end all be all, and maybe this year's GDC thing will set things right.

Considering I'm the person you were originally talking to when you said "the Wii is not for you", I'm really curious when I've used the phrase "I want the Wii U to fail".  I've seen a few other posters use that phrase in regards to Nintendo learning humility (a sentiment I can sympathize with), but I don't believe I've ever said that.

I was the one who said "I want the Wii U to fail", hence why my title was changed to what it is... but that is completely out of context. The reason I said I wanted it to fail is because I am afraid its going to end up like the Wii all over again, and I believe that for the good of the company it might be best if it did fail, because then maybe things would go more towards the way core gamers want them to be.

That said, for all I know the Wii U could even end up being a great system. I don't know that yet... if it does end up being a great system with consistent 3rd party support and no software droughts then I don't want it to fail, and if that were the case it wouldn't fail anyway.... but again, if its the Wii all over again with nothing but droughts and shovelware then yes, I think it would be best if it failed and was out of its misery.

The last 6 years with the Wii (especially from about 2009 onwards) have been really depressing for me as a Nintendo fan. I don't want to go through that again... if that's what the Wii U is going to be then yes, I do want it to fail. This is the context in which I said that... its not because I'm some anti-Nintendo troll or anything, but just from seeing my title without that context one might think that.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Wii U

« on: June 09, 2012, 09:07:06 PM »

Wii U is looking like Gamecube 2.0 to me.

Better for it to be a Gamecube 2.0 than a Wii 2.0.

I know I'm the minority,
but I loved the Cube and hated the Wii.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: People Need To Stop Bitching

« on: June 09, 2012, 08:59:33 PM »

Adrock, there is a saying that "if you chase two rabbits you will lose both of them". Nintendo can go full force after the core market, or they could go full force after the casual market and in either way they would probably succeed. But the problem is they are taking "middle of the road" path and trying to pursue both at the same time. When you split yourself apart that means you aren't giving 100% in any particular direction and there is the danger you will fail in every way. True, its also possible to succeed in every way by pursuing everything, but its just far less likely than if you just gave 100% to one thing in particular.

Take that "NintendoLand" game for example. Here is a game that epitomizes Nintendo's divided focus between the casual and core markets. Who exactly does this game appeal to? It has core franchises like Mario and Zelda fused with casual mini game gameplay. Does this actually please both markets? Or does it actually piss off both?

Have you ever seen the show Firefly? It fused together the western and science fiction genres into this weird hybrid. I loved the show, and I though it was great... I'm sure if more people had given it a chance it would have had better ratings and wouldn't have been cancelled, but I think because the show was "chasing two rabbits" it ended up alienating everyone. People who like Westerns tend to not like Science Fiction, and vice versa. Yes, there are certainly exceptions... but those exceptions weren't enough to keep the show afloat.

So when I hear about this weird NintendoLand thing and it being a hybrid between casual and core, it reminds me a lot of the show Firefly... maybe it will be a great game, who knows? But the problem is the core characters and stuff might scare away the soccer moms and grandparents, while on the other hand the casual mini game gameplay might scare away the core gamers who hate that stuff. So there's a danger it will alienate both markets and as a result Nintendo may lose both.

I know NintendoLand is just one game, but its a launch title and may well be the system's pack in, so it really matters alot for being just a single game. Plus as I said this is just the epitome of Nintendo's strategy of targeting both markets simultaneously. The entire Wii U system and its weird hybrid controller also show this hybrid divided focus mentality.

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TalkBack / Re: The Disturbing Lack of 3DS at E3 2012

« on: June 09, 2012, 07:59:00 PM »

I was there, and E3 2006 had a ton of DS games.

I think 2012 is the equivalent of 2005 for the DS because it came out in (late) 2004 and the 3DS came out last year. So I think 2013 would be the 3DS' equivalent of 2006 for the DS. Hopefully that year will see it pick up some serious software support.

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TalkBack / Re: E3 May Not Return to Los Angeles

« on: June 09, 2012, 07:53:20 PM »

Aren't both Microsoft and NOA headquartered in Redmond Washington? It would be more convenient for both of them if it was there or nearby in a place like Seattle.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: People Need To Stop Bitching

« on: June 09, 2012, 10:05:14 AM »

In this case, a lot of people like this thing you don't particularly like.

You mean the Wii U? I'm not sure what you mean by a "lot of people"... apparently a lot of people were disappointed in what they seen of it at E3 (or more accurately what they didn't see).

There are facts and there are opinions. Dissenters of Nintendo's current policies are voicing opinions, just like how people who are praising Nintendo are voicing opinions. In neither case are they fact. But what is a fact is that what was shown at E3 was a huge disappointment to many people. It is also a fact that the Wii is pretty much dead, and has been that way for quite some time. These are facts..... how you interpret them may be opinion.

I just want to know when the non-dissenters think about the declining sales and market share of the Wii and the lackluster performance (in the opinion of many) of E3? What is their answer? Should Nintendo "stay the course" despite all this and make no change in policy whatsoever? I've heard that the definition of insanity is repeating the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.... well, the Wii ended up being a casual shovelware system that for most people just collected dust for long stretches of time due to lack of new games. So far nothing about the Wii U looks like it will be any different.  What assurances do we have from Nintendo or third parties or anyone that the Wii U isn't going to have software droughts?

I don't want history to repeat itself yet again. We've had software droughts at the end of every Nintendo systems life cycle from the N64 onward. The NES and SNES on the other hand didn't have software droughts. In fact, both the NES and SNES seen new software releases well after the release of their successors. The last NES game was Wario Woods which came out in 1994, I think... This is how it SHOULD BE.

So one can be a dissenter to how Nintendo is running things now yet still be a Nintendo fan. Nintendo has done things right in the past, so that proves they are capable of it. The difference is now the company is under new leadership, and maybe that's what needs to change.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: People Need To Stop Bitching

« on: June 09, 2012, 03:52:30 AM »

I'm seeing an awful lot of "bitching" in a thread about wanting an end to it.

Gandhi said you must "be the change you wish to see in the world", so if you want a world with less bitching then you must make the first step yourself and refrain from bitching about the bitchers.

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TalkBack / Re: Wii U Has 8 GB of Internal Storage

« on: June 09, 2012, 03:41:52 AM »

Uncle Bob, do you think casuals/non-gamers will be savvy enough to even know about that newegg site? When it comes to the non-savvy soccer moms and grandparents the product has to work out of the box, or else it isn't going to work at all. True, you can get it up to speed with additional purchases, but I don't think that is going to happen with a large segment of the market that Nintendo is going after.

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TalkBack / Re: Wii U Has 8 GB of Internal Storage

« on: June 09, 2012, 01:34:31 AM »

I don't get why they couldn't also offer a premium SKU which has an internal hard drive. I'm not saying they shouldn't offer the 8gb flash model, but why can't they do both? That's the way Microsoft has done things with their various Xbox 360 models, and apparently it must be working well for them. Why can't Nintendo do that?

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: E3 2012 Predictions

« on: June 09, 2012, 01:31:07 AM »

Ha that's classic! And if they bought their computer in 1996, then it would be running Windows 95, not 98.

Unless they, you know... upgraded the OS. Because apparently you can do that on computers these days.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: People Need To Stop Bitching

« on: June 09, 2012, 01:14:30 AM »

I had a feeling that someone would accuse me of being a fanboy.

You misunderstood me... I mean those who are criticizing (ie: bitching) about the Wii U/Nintendo/E3/whatever are dissenters. And in this case I meant Fanboy as a positive thing. In other words, I mean to say the dissenters are true fanboys of Nintendo because they want whats best for the company and aren't afraid to speak up, instead of just being sheep and blindly accepting whatever they are told.

I just basically modified the quote "Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism" that I think was said by Thomas Jefferson, but changed it from Patriotism to Fanboyism because that's more appropriate in this case.