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TalkBack / RE:Miyamoto Confirms Revolution Control for Zelda

« on: March 17, 2006, 08:11:02 PM »

"So basically you are saying what? That Nintendo had TP done around November, and would have rather it came out then, and that somehow a 1 year delay (worse case scenario) was used for Rev functionality is going to hurt the quality?"

No, not at all, I didnt explain myself clearly I suppose. Lets say that this game is developed by separate teams with one focusing on graphics, the other in controller implementation for GC, other for Rev controls, the other on level design etc, but it never happens that at last month they all get glued together. Its a constant interaction between all the areas. TP wasnt done by November because it would obviously have been released then, what Im saying is that its posible that Nintendo decided to diminish the focus on the GC part at that time and started implementing the functionality, giving it the priority. Its a posibility among others, I do think that was clear enough, I never say "this is what happen, period".

Its simply the fact that they split the focus of the game between GC and Rev, the worst case, they are giving more focus to the Rev, the not-as-worse case, they are giving more focus to the GC, my ideal case: give all the damn focus to the GC! The game will be good most likely, but I would take any day extra dungeons, weapons or bosses than remote functionality.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: New TV for the upcoming Revolution

« on: March 17, 2006, 07:08:26 PM »

This reminded me somehow the health warning in ever Nintendo console that you should play in the smallest TV possible and you should sit away from a considerable distance. does xbox or ps1/2 have similar warnings? because that doesnt seem to get along with the "HD era" of their succesors.  

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TalkBack / RE:Miyamoto Confirms Revolution Control for Zelda

« on: March 17, 2006, 06:50:27 PM »

Long whiny rant ahead again! :'D


" The only thing you are getting ripped off of, is a couple month delay (I really doubt this 1 year delay was just for Rev functionality)."

Thats the big point of concern for me. In one hand we have the possibility that rev functionality is added last minute, so will it be a good implementation? what if its mediocre? Even if its true that in just two weeks they added first person aiming to the Echoes demo, well, I think that it would be seen as a half assed implementation if all they do is mapping first person aiming, fishing and something else to TP and call it done. I dont think that just taking a couple of months to add the remote functionality is going to yield decent results. And a couple of months is already a considerable long time waiting.

On the other hand, they might be taking a long time to do this, probably since they finalized the controller idea (and I fear this is the real case), the problem with this is how it royally screws the GC fanbase, specially because they promised this game to be for the fans and for GC a million times. Also, the GC game will suffer, because it was never the real focus. The last, most amazing traditional Zelda game as we know it? all lies. And even if the focus on the rev features is considerable, it wouldnt be the best way to bring Zelda to the Revolution, because its tied to the Cube, they arent free to explore insane, crazy ideas. The worst part is that it would be clear that they only lied to extend the GC life with a false promise and even to make some people buy a GC for the game, I couldnt flame Kutaragi anymore, because Nintendo would be at the same level.

Its a lose-lose situation for me, but Ill rather have the first one, at least Id know that they invested their resources on making the original game, and Zelda revolution will come along in the next years to trully prove the remote capabilities, I can wait for it, I certainly can. And most important, Nintendo wouldnt be so tacky.

As for how good this is for Nintendo financially, I really dont give a damn I dont have stocks invested in them. Of course I couldnt be indiferent in the past to the fact that Nintendo is making money, because part of that money was destined to make games like the Wind Waker, Metroid Prime or Mario Sunshine, even if Nintendo was also investing in Pokemon games. But if Nintendo is shifting their priorities with the franchises I like the most, then what good is to me that they are going to make more money?

" I trust that even as Nintendo learns to balance business alongside their creative drive Miyamoto and Iwata will still hold at heart their experiences as Game Developers and the spirit of innovation and quality that is Nintendo."

Thats why Im so dissapointed and angry, thats why I sound so agressive sometimes , I had that trust but I lost it with this anouncement T_T I cant believe in them.  

I missed this before:

"How else would anyone propose Nintendo handle this issue, hmm? Release a GC-only version, then follow up with an LE version with Rev functionality? Would that have made you happier? No, because you'd complain WELL CRAPS WHAT IFS I GETS A REV, HUH? THEN I NEED THE LE. There'd be rants of double dipping and other nonsense. At this point they can't make people happy enough. What happened to the golden days of the N64 Nintendo fanbase, where we expected delays, and subsequently let them happen with a casual, lassiez-faire like attitude of "Well, when it's done, it's done, simple."

I've said it before and I'll say it again - Nintendo can never win. Ever."

well, thats not my case, before this I couldnt point a single bad thing about Nintendo, I defended the water pack and the toon shading with my heart and soul, I also defended the first delay, although I was frustrated, I was also happy to wait more because Nintendo promised heaven an earth for this game and I had blind trust, but this features really made me go "WTF!" with them, I still cant believe this is real.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Official DS Sales Thread

« on: March 16, 2006, 05:23:47 PM »

Nintendo is and will be doomed for several centuries.

Seriously psp games barely get to the top 10, for that matter lets drop Ipod numbers in the mix and claim doom on video games in general Mario style , because sales of the psp hardware have little to do with the games the system has.

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TalkBack / RE: Miyamoto Confirms Revolution Control for Zelda

« on: March 16, 2006, 05:14:59 PM »

Ive explain my position more than once since the first anouncement from the english magazine was made, you instead, have not, you are just flaming me because you dont like what Im saying, tough luck buddy, but your argument is pretty weak, it also makes "ignorant" everyone who thinks this is a good idea, because no one has tried it.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: TetrisDS TV commerical!

« on: March 16, 2006, 05:10:51 PM »

Indeed, this commercial is really great, but I still dont feel spending so much money on a tetris title, damn if games are expensive around here.

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TalkBack / RE: Miyamoto Confirms Revolution Control for Zelda

« on: March 16, 2006, 05:08:35 PM »

Sorry if you get angry, but thats they way I see it, and yes, I or you can predict  the outcome of things based on current evidence. I know the type of gameplay traditional Zelda offers, I know it very well, and I also know the kind of functionality the remote offers, screaming and flaming me because Im "ignorant" and I cannot form an "honest" opinion without trying it is just silly, lets not comment then on anything revolution related because none of us have tried it and we cannot form an "honest" opinion on it... please...

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TalkBack / RE: Miyamoto Confirms Revolution Control for Zelda

« on: March 16, 2006, 04:12:07 PM »

well, the reason of my anger is personal,  I feel cheated as a GC owner, but I have to live with it so Ill leave it at that. my concerns on the outcome of the controller are speculation of course, but also based on this direction that I see Nintendo taking with the game. Some of you see it differently, well, I can understand that view but cannot share it, this is basically the only game we've seen for the revolution, I cant help to start judging the console by this game, is the only one we have any information about.

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TalkBack / RE:Miyamoto Confirms Revolution Control for Zelda

« on: March 16, 2006, 03:47:17 PM »

why would it be fun? the enemies, combat system and puzzles are constructed around the limitations of the dpad and its 4 directions (8 technically), shooting arrows in radial directions its just as empty as all the embellishments that the 360 and the ps3 want to put in games with their HD crap, it would be waste... unless the combat system and enemies are reprogrammed for this, and you get enemies attacking you from all directions and you can swap them quickly with the bow, which guess what? never happens with the orginal because it would be frustrating with just the dpad.

see?

haha sorry but Ill never stop until all my anger is vent, after it Ill probably wont even care for the damn game

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NWR Forums Discord / RE: Yamauchi tells it like it is

« on: March 16, 2006, 03:36:36 PM »

hahahahahahahahahahahaha


Dont spoil the funny, but if you really want to...its a fake interview

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General Gaming / RE: Independent Games Festival

« on: March 16, 2006, 03:32:02 PM »

you can, press the middle button on the mouse

 

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TalkBack / RE: PGC Announces Its 7th Year Birthday Contest

« on: March 16, 2006, 03:30:35 PM »

My idea was to try to find locations similar to all the eight levels of the original super mario bros, plus the minus world, 8-1=7!  but then I couldnt find how to fit PGC in the idea :/

not to mention the lack of a camera and time to find this locations

Next contest will do hopefully

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TalkBack / RE: Miyamoto Confirms Revolution Control for Zelda

« on: March 16, 2006, 03:11:53 PM »

Yes its an option, but its really lame in my eyes, and is not worth the trouble, like adding analog stick to a Link to the Past. I think that I cant be more clear than with that example.

And I should clarify:

I dont think the game will be bad, and I have never said that!

also, I dont think that revolution will fail and that Nintendo wont deliver, I just have my doubts, doubts that have never existed in my long track as Nintendo fanboy which is upsetting and thats why I have to vent as much as I can .

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General Gaming / RE: Independent Games Festival

« on: March 16, 2006, 02:48:53 PM »

Cloud is so awesome and perfect for the revolution controller. For the love of all thats good on earth, they should really make the game for the console!
 

[Smash_Brother]

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TalkBack / RE:Miyamoto Confirms Revolution Control for Zelda

« on: March 16, 2006, 01:27:26 PM »

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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother

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Originally posted by: mantidor
Thats just wrong, if theres no software that delivers the concept, the Rev will fail! thats your on/off switch.

And you have proof that this software doesn't exist? No? Then why complain about it?

And you have proof that it does exist? I blindly believed Nintendo would deliver, because they have delivered in the past, and in huge ammounts, but this has shocked me, from way back when it was just a"rumor" of the english magazine, to the subsequent Nintendo press releases and clevery worded "no comment" denials, not in my wildest dream I expected Nintendo to do something that I consider so cheap, so now Im absolutely doubtful of what they are going to offer as new generation software. Im not saying that is 100% sure Mario 128 will suck and be a gimm!ck that uses the controller just to make Mario jump by tilting the controller up, but for the first time Im not sure it will be a breaktrough revolution like Super Mario Bros and Mario 64 were.

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Originally posted by: KnowsNothing
I just can't wait for E3 where they reveal that Twilight Princess is cel-shaded.

if only...

[Hostile Creation]

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Rumour come True? Zelda: TP Forward Compatible?

« on: March 16, 2006, 12:53:52 PM »

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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation
Mantidor, you're being a total weiner for no reason

Of course I have a reason for being so whiny , the game I was most exited about is getting additions that I cant find even remotely interesting, but I have to wait longer anyway.

My concerns are real though, but I suppose E3 and demos of real games being tried by the public with give me a better look of what real revolution games will offer.

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NWR Forums Discord / RE: Official Twilight Princess / Revolution boycott thread

« on: March 16, 2006, 12:45:35 PM »

I wizard did it.

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NWR Forums Discord / RE: Yamauchi tells it like it is

« on: March 16, 2006, 12:30:31 PM »

Oh yes Im so troubled about convincing you, specially with a joke post

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TalkBack / RE: Miyamoto Confirms Revolution Control for Zelda

« on: March 16, 2006, 12:28:50 PM »

"Listen. Not everything relating to the revolution's success is an on/off switch."

Thats just wrong, if theres no software that delivers the concept, the Rev will fail! thats your on/off switch.

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NWR Forums Discord / RE:Yamauchi tells it like it is

« on: March 16, 2006, 12:25:54 PM »

page 1

page 2

page 3

I hope I redeemed myself for that serious posting going on before

[Pale]

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NWR Forums Discord / RE:Official Twilight Princess / Revolution boycott thread

« on: March 16, 2006, 11:41:37 AM »

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Originally posted by: Pale
I don't understand.. is this a joke?

Are you all really that upset by the TP>Rev news?

I don't understand how anyone could be upset by it... but whatever.

Its funnier when its confusing

I will buy Hunters and TP, Im such a Samus whore that I cant help it , even if real Metroid games make this one look like a joke

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TalkBack / RE:Miyamoto Confirms Revolution Control for Zelda

« on: March 16, 2006, 11:32:05 AM »

You people just skim over my rants without reading them, I will buy the game or Ill probably just mod my cube and buy it pirate, because I dont feel as compelled to give them my money as I used to, my concern is what this means for revolution games, you are happy with some gimm!ck first person aiming, Im expecting a hell of a lot more because the controller can offer that, and if Nintendo thinks that just adding remote to old games is acceptable as good game design then its time for me to stick with PC games and forget theirs.

"If Nintendo made TP a Revolution game GameCube owners would bitch. If they kept it as a GameCube game with no Revolution functionality non-GameCube owners wouldn't have as much incentive to pick it up if/when they bought a Revolution."

oh god lets hope not, if non GC owners need TP with this lame functionality to pick up a Revolution then the console will indeed be Nintendo's last. This is only to win an extra buck with the game, nothing else, this wont break or make the Rev launch, if it does, Nintendo has a lot more serious problems than just me being pissed at them for lying.

I thought that Nintendo's priority was to make excellent quality games, but thats not the case.

[Mario]

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NWR Forums Discord / RE:Official Twilight Princess / Revolution boycott thread

« on: March 15, 2006, 05:30:47 PM »

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Originally posted by: Mario

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Can we turn this into the Metroid Prime Hunters boycott thread instead?

I fully endorse any Metroid Prime Hunters hate in this thread! I'm boycotting that for realz

I will have no part in the death of Zelda and Metroid!

I aprove

I was a former Metroid Hunters supporter and I love the Cube games, but I got back to Super Metroid and I couldnt look at Hunters again with anything but DISGUST!   ARGH!

"new generation" my ass, lets go back to the atari 2600, Frogger and that Othello game I could never understand as a child FTW!

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TalkBack / RE: Miyamoto Confirms Revolution Control for Zelda

« on: March 15, 2006, 05:13:09 PM »

"Are we sure that this is all we can expect?"

No, of course not, thats why Ill wait and see, but Nintendo thinks this is good enough reason to delay the game and to deny their GC fanbase a complete product, which worries me because I dont think that TP will be that much better with the remote, and as a GC owner I feel cheated which make all pessimistic right now.

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TalkBack / RE: Miyamoto Confirms Revolution Control for Zelda

« on: March 15, 2006, 05:00:19 PM »

"And then you'd whine about normally digital controls being spoiled by inherently inaccurate systems such as "how much depth is enough" for firing an arrow.

What was the last zelda game after LTTP that requires insanely precise bow and arrow usage such that the revmote would present a significant advantage? None."

I never said that it should be precise, and the first person aiming is precise enough if used with the remote. Its about the inmersion, Miyamoto said that in games like LttP you didnt press a button to move a lever, you actually grabbed the lever and pull it, is the same in this case, the puzzles and enemies would never require insane precision, but the added inmersion, interactivity with the world and gameplay posibilities for arrows with varying speed and angles would make the gameplay experience better. The game would never require the player to throw an arrow a few Km/h faster than the previous arrow shooted, Things can be completly intuitive for the player, but probably a pain in the ass for the developer who has to program it, but hey, the remote and the new "intuitive" ways of playing was Nintendo's idea in the first place.

"Four posts ago, you were unloading a pile of pessimism and disdain which would make Ian blush with envy...

...and NOW you're making suggestions as to how the Revmote could have been better used with TP?

Huh?"

Im not making suggestions about TP, Im making suggestions for the Zelda game that will be made for the revolution, implementing this on TP would be stupid because it would be just a shiny new way of shooting arrows. Unless they add puzzles and enemies that are related to varying speeds and angles of arrows,  which again would be another slap for the GC version.

The remote functionality should be implemented in a Zelda game made from the ground up for the Revolution, not crammed in a last gen game thats constructed around a traditional way of playing games. I cant say this enough.