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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!
« on: April 27, 2006, 12:58:43 PM »
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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation
My point is, Wii won't be associated directly with urine or the personal pronoun, in a few months.  It'll hearken to the pronoun, because that's the idea behind it, but mostly it'll just be a name for a gaming console that people will be buying.


Nintendo's marketing is so good that most people still don't even know the GC exists.

Yeah, that same marketing team is going to replace the word "wee" from meaning piss to Nintendo's console. Uh huh. Sure.

Dream on.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!
« on: April 27, 2006, 12:50:34 PM »
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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation
I don't think someone's talking about anus whenever they use the conjunction "but" in a sentence.  Do you seriously think that's going to be a problem?


"We" is a pronoun. It's used at the beginning of a sentence to indicate that the sentence is referencing multiple people.

"But" is a conjunction, often used as an interrupting modifier, for continuing a sentence with an opposing viewpoint. You can start and END a sentence with but. You cannot end a sentence with we.

"We", when left on its own, becomes one of two things "wee" as in, "Help, save me from the wee turtles." meaning small, or baby slang for urine.

When I say "I want a wee." or "I can't wait for the wee." people will think I'm a drooling idiot who has to piss.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Revolution no more-Nintendo Wii
« on: April 27, 2006, 12:38:01 PM »
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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation Even if we like it?  You're becoming more and more juvenile, Smash_Brother.  Disliking the name is reasonable, it does sound kind of silly, but now you're just acting stupid.


If you like it, fine, but I don't want to have to be laughed at in Gamestop when I have to say, "What do you have for the wee?"

And this is a LEGITIMATE concern. I am going to HAVE to walk into Gamestop or Walmart and ask if they have a game for a console with a name synonymous with urine and I DON'T want to have to do that.

No amount of spin-doctoring is going to change the fact that the average human will interpret what I'm saying as anything but foul and childish language.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!
« on: April 27, 2006, 12:28:20 PM »
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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation
Check out the GAF remote thread.  Literally ten to twenty pages of people saying how terrible it is, and how Nintendo's going to crash.
Plus, you're looking at the remote in retrospect, after you've realized it's a good idea.  Hindsight's twenty/twenty, remember?  It's easy to say you didn't make an @ss of yourself then because you've changed your mind since.


I reiterate, when I saw the controller, my interest was piqued. I was interested from the VERY start. When I saw the DS, I wanted one immediately.

I DIDN'T make an ass of myself: right off the bat, these were my opinions. I never changed them. I love the idea of the Revmote and I love the way developers are implementing it.

But "Wii"? Huh?

For starters, it's a stupid pun. "Wii" will rock you? Come ON! Since when have gimm!cky, stupid puns pushed consoles?

And there is the problem that it sounds very much like the baby talk slang for urine. How can you take the console seriously? I can't call Gamestop and say, "I'd like to check if you have a game for the wee."

THINK ABOUT THIS: My call to a store to check on a game can be confused with a prank call about piss! Doesn't that SAY anything to you!?

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!
« on: April 27, 2006, 12:04:26 PM »
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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation If we can say "we" without thinking wee, we're perfectly capable of saying Wii in a similar manner.  Grow up.

Also, the reaction to the remote was overwhelmingly negative, initially.  I remember checking out controller threads the day of, and twenty pages are dedicated to whining about how terrible Nintendo is.   So yeah, it pretty much is the same freaking thing, now isn't it?


The controller is a peripheral. How it's used is more important than how it looks and Nintendo can and WILL prove that.

The name is just a name. There's no more depth to it than that. No one can say, "Well, let's see how the name plays." or "I wonder what developers will do for the name."

And it's not the people here that matter. Again, the people on PGC are already Nintendo fans: no convincing is required.

It's the average joe gamer who Nintendo needs to persuade, and with this name, they're going to have a lot harder time doing that.  

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Revolution no more-Nintendo Wii
« on: April 27, 2006, 11:53:00 AM »
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Originally posted by: mantidor Theres no need to be a marketing genius to know the name sucks, its, above all, hell confusing, if you cant get it quickly then the name sucks, period! I cant believe some of you are defending the name.


Agreed.

People should be writing Nintendo to urge them to change it, not sitting back and accepting it.

What's it going to be like to go into Gamestop to see if they have any new "wee" games in, or to reserve the Nintendo "wee"?

I shouldn't have to be speaking baby talk to make a goddamn video game purchase.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!
« on: April 27, 2006, 11:51:09 AM »
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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation I think every last one of you is forgetting how the reaction to the controller was exactly the same as this.  The same people were complaining about it, the same people thought it was a terrible idea and Nintendo would bomb.  And now what?  Nintendo is expected to take E3 by the balls and dominate the show.
I'm already becoming accustomed to seeing the word Wii.  So will everyone, probably within less than a week.


Umm, I don't think so.

My first reaction to the controller was, "Wow, I can't wait to see what they're going to do with it."

"Wii" is always going to be a synonym for urine. It's never going to change. There's nothing else about the name which needs to be revealed to make it more interesting. "I wonder how the name will change gaming." is not a valid statement. The name is that which potential customers will have to call the console, and many of those potential customers will be turned away from buying it because they don't want to own something which has the same name as a bodily excretion.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!
« on: April 27, 2006, 11:23:17 AM »
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Originally posted by: vudu
He mentioned it later in his post: if the console won't sell worth a damn in NA, why should Ian buy it when it likely won't receive much support?
I meant in general.  I meant the posts I've had to read for the last three flipping years.


Fair play there, but I used to argue against Ian when he said Nintendo was out of touch with reality. I can't make that argument anymore...

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If wii succeeds, I can see this changing. The jokes will come and go and kids won't call their urine wee anymore. They'll call the wii wee.
Maybe if we're lucky they'll say "Mom, I just revolutionized my pants."


I can't. I don't see this name having even a shred of mainstream acceptance, which means ultra-poor sales.

"Wii" sounds like some new-age, german car which will only be bought by the horribly eccentric. The name will likely scare the same people Nintendo was trying to attract by sounding too far out into left field. The blue ocean strategy won't work if people can't respect the name.

In the US, buying a product is making a decision. American buyers want to feel confident about their purchasing decisions. I know some would argue that "it doesn't matter" but since the American buyers have, you know, MONEY, Nintendo should at least consider what they want to buy.

If Americans hear the name and laugh, they're NOT GOING TO BUY IT. Would you buy a car called the "Stinc"? A blender called the "Püpie"? A TV made by a company called "Phart"? I sure as f*ck wouldn't and neither would 99 out of 100 Americans.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Revolution no more-Nintendo Wii
« on: April 27, 2006, 11:06:42 AM »
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Originally posted by: eljefe
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...It's a fun name to make fun of. The reason most are reacting the way they are is because they care so damn much about what the Sony and MS fans think. Shut your fanboy brain down and realize that the experience is what matters and the name isn't stupid....Just because the system isn't black and the name isn't the N5 you don't think it's cool. Stop worrying about what Xbots and Sony fans think of you. They're not gonna play the Rev for you. You are. If it kills you this much, don't buy the thing. Obviously that's what you really cared about all along.

..I really don't see much of an issue with anyone calling it Wii and giggling. It'll be a joke, nothing more. They'll still buy it. Let the other consoles' fans ridicule. They can make fun all they want, but they won't be able to have fun unless they embrace the Wii and buy one. Every moment they spend making fun of Wii will be time spent not having fun with their own consoles.




The problem with this logic is that he assumes that people will still buy it who aren't Nintendo fans. If only Nintendo fans buy it, it'll likely do worse than the GC.

If the Wii sells poorly, it won't get developer support down the line and it'll be the GC all over again.

The name Revolution was excellent. The name promised what the console would do: revolutionize gaming. "Wii" is a sh*tty, worthless name which has no meaning to anyone aside from being a baby-talk synonym for urine or male genitalia.

Nintendo is going to have a hard enough time pushing the concept. They don't need to saddle it with the ga yest name ever to add to the load it has to carry.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!
« on: April 27, 2006, 10:57:12 AM »
I'll still buy a Rev, but my faith in Nintendo has been greatly diminished by this.

With the DS, Nintendo seemed to be demonstrating that they indeed had a firm grip on reality and were following through with that by introducing games which sold the concept and did so admirably.

But this? What research could they have POSSIBLY done? Ask anyone on the street if they think "wee" is a good name for anything and I'm sure they'll tell you it isn't.

What irks me more is that Nintendo seems to have forsaken the apt and solid name of "Revolution" in favor of a bad pun.

I hate to break it to Nintendo, but urine has been called "wee" for far longer than their console and it's what people with think about when they say it, not Nintendo's revolutionary new console.

Nintendo NEEDS to be insulted right now. This message HAS to get through, even if it means insulting the hell out of them. It's better they hear that they're making fools of themselves from us, the loyal fans, than when the console experiences terrible sales because their target market can't stop laughing about the name.

And gentlemen, we are not Nintendo's target market: we're the fans. We're already sure-fire sales. Their TARGET market is the average teenager who thinks their a company designed for babies and this name just solidifies the notion.

For Nintendo's own sake, mail them and let them know how terrible of a name this is.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!
« on: April 27, 2006, 10:46:57 AM »
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Originally posted by: vudu So why do you complain so much?  If the only things Nintendo screws up is the small crap that doesn't matter, stop worrying about it.


He mentioned it later in his post: if the console won't sell worth a damn in NA, why should Ian buy it when it likely won't receive much support?

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!
« on: April 27, 2006, 10:28:37 AM »
Enough angry rants will still get them to change.

After the flood of bad press from the ultra horrible Mario Sunshine commercial, Nintendo pulled it.

God willing, this flood of bad press will get them to do the same.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!
« on: April 27, 2006, 10:22:16 AM »
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Originally posted by: Caliban
Smash_Brother, I laugh at you! I'm gonna send them a warm Wii message to Nintendo.


My wii is warm, too.

See? This is the problem here...

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Revolution no more-Nintendo Wii
« on: April 27, 2006, 10:04:50 AM »
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Originally posted by: Ceric
I noticed no one took up my challenge.  (Much earlier in the conversation)

Way I could live with.


I like Way.

That's the Nintendo Way.

I can live with that.

But wee?

"Mom, Timmy's gonna bring his wee and over and we're gonna hook our wees together and play all night long!"

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Revolution no more-Nintendo Wii
« on: April 27, 2006, 10:02:49 AM »
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane The difference is Google, iPod, Napster and Yahoo are not words with immature potty talk associated with them.  It's not just that it's an "unusual" name.  The problem is that is a name directly associated with a childish slang term for urine.

Some of you are spin doctoring and making excuses for it.  How did that help the Cube?  It didn't.  Whenever something borderline disasterous happened with the Cube making up an excuse didn't help things worth crap.  If I have to explain a name to prevent people from making fun of it then it's a crappy name.  With marketing you can't assume people will stop and listen and understand your long explanation on why the potty mouth name is actually brilliant.  If the name immediately triggers a negative response then it's a horrible name period.  Making people think of piss is a negative response.

It's like the Super Mario Sunshine commercial.  All the typical Nintendo apologists were all "it's a brilliant commerical because it makes fun of Nintendo's k!ddy image."  That didn't stop the general negative reaction to it and Nintendo quickly dropped it.  Oh and the Gamecube was overtaken by the Xbox later that year but I'm sure the fact that the supposed killer app had the worst commercial ever made for it was just a coincedence.  So it doesn't matter if this is a joke name and thus is brilliant.  The "joke" is too subtle and isn't even that funny.  No one is going to get it so it's a crappy joke and a crappy name.


I've never agreed with Ian more.

Nintendo was so, SO close to being able to recapture segments of the market which had long since abandoned them for being too childish. Red Steel was a colossal step in the right direction, but now THIS?

People who were on the fence would have taken a chance with a "Rev". They're NOT going to take a chance with a "wee". "Let's play some wee games!" "I can't way to go home and play with my wee!"

Reggie will sound like a laughing joke when he tries to make this sound serious...

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!
« on: April 27, 2006, 09:38:48 AM »
I just don't get how the company could be so EXTREMELY sensible about a name like "DS", one which was clearly adopted and liked by all, and yet so absolutely batsh*t crazy when it comes to naming their last hope for a prayer in hell in the home console market...

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!
« on: April 27, 2006, 09:36:00 AM »
I just sent mine in as well.

I'm still hoping this is a bad joke so when they reveal the REAL name at E3, we can all have a good laugh about it...

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Nintendo Gaming / Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!
« on: April 27, 2006, 09:29:40 AM »
Their Official Comment Form

Let them HEAR how much we hate it!

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Revolution no more-Nintendo Wii
« on: April 27, 2006, 09:26:56 AM »
I hope this is the Japanese name and they keep Revolution for the US.

No one will be able to take this console seriously. I don't think I'll be able to walk into Gamestop and say, "I'd like to reserve a wee." Or tell my friends, "Let's go back to my place and play some games on my wee."

Geigh, stupid, f*cked, retarded name. What the hell was wrong with "Revolution"?

I'm still hoping this is a goddamn nightmare or a joke and I'll either wake up or Nintendo will reveal that "Wii" is only the first syllable in the name of the console or something...

Man, why does Nintendo do this to themselves?

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:What do you want in Smash Bros. Revolution?
« on: April 27, 2006, 09:18:06 AM »
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
How about we move this conversation back to the original discussion topic.  What we want to see in Smash Bros. Revolution.


That's fair.

I want to see multiplayer so polished and full of depth that never will anyone say, "Was this game rushed?". I don't want to see clones, and I don't want to see the same 3-5 characters winning every tournament.

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TalkBack / RE: Revolution Name Announced!
« on: April 27, 2006, 09:05:43 AM »
There are no words...

There just AREN'T any F*CKING words...

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:What do you want in Smash Bros. Revolution?
« on: April 26, 2006, 09:21:51 PM »
Videogame development cycles have these things called BUDGETS. Games are developed based around the budget available for the game and the time frame in which the game can be developed.

Hypothetical situation:

Say none of the trophies were ever created. That's hundreds of manhours which did not need to be paid to the artists so there's more money in the budget for other additions to the game.

What could these additions be? More levels, characters, testing for balance...generally anything which would enhance the multiplayer longevity of the game.

Anyone who says, "Oh, there wouldn't have been more characters/levels/balance if they hadn't pissed money away on developing the trophies." is a FOOL who clearly doesn't understand economics. With the time and money saved by not having the artists make these idiotic little trophies, I'm more than willing to bet we could have at LEAST given Ganondorf his own moveset, and that ALONE would have been worth scrapping the trophies.

If you weighted the total time played in SSB Single Player vs. total time played in multiplayer, I think you'll find that multiplayer is ahead by a healthy 200:1 ratio. My SSB cartridge logged over 700 hours of gameplay on it before we switched to melee. How often do you think single player was played after all the crap was unlocked? That's right: it WASN'T.

The trophies add NOTHING to the multiplayer gameplay. NOTHING. No one buys SSB so they can play it alone (unless so they can practice and get better against other players, something which happens better in vs. matches than "break the targets" mini-games).

What is the fascination with ensuring that EVERY game has a single player mode? World of Warcraft is probably the most successful MMORPG in the world, and it DOESN'T HAVE A SINGLE PLAYER MODE!!!!! WHOAMG!!!!!!!! You can't even PLAY the damn game OFFline!

SSB should be the BEST MULTIPLAYER EXPERIENCE THAT IT CAN BE. Want a single player experience on the Rev? Buy Twilight Princess, Mario 128, Red Steel, or any of the other dozens of games which are dedicated to offering an excellent single player experience.

SSB: Rev needs to be the BEST multiplayer game that it can be, ever, and if SSB: Rev has clones with textures that don't connect, Ganondorf doesn't have at least ONE goddamn bladed weapon, and there are over a thousand trophies to collect, then someone at HAL Labs needs to commit seppuko because they f*cking FAILED.

AI that learns is a good idea because it's the closest that someone with no online connection has to playing against opponents which will mimic human players. Beyond that, HAL can work on the single player aspect only after the multiplayer is so good it puts the game in the running for GOTY.

Halo outsold SSBM. A brand new franchise on a brand new console beat Nintendo's tried and tested franchise with a huge following.

SSB: Rev is going to be Nintendo's FLAGSHIP multiplayer WIFI title. If someone is going to buy a Rev to go online, this game is going to be the primary reason. This game NEEDS to kick ass and take NAMES in the multiplayer department, and if that means slacking on the single player offering, so be it.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:What do you want in Smash Bros. Revolution?
« on: April 24, 2006, 10:09:47 AM »
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Originally posted by: Ian SaneDo that and I won't buy it.


Hate to say it, but there are plenty of worthy single player experiences which will be available on the Rev. SSB:Rev should not have it's multiplayer suffer because the developers spent too much time looking into a game mode no one would play for more than 5-6 hours anyway.  

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: What do you want in Smash Bros. Revolution?
« on: April 24, 2006, 08:44:55 AM »
The only characters to EVER win tournaments are Marth/Fox/Shiek and the occasional Peach/Falco. When it comes down to 1v1, this game is horribly tier-ridden. Also, Marth/Roy both rule at 4 player matches because it's immensely easy for a noob Marth/Roy player to simply mash the c-stick into a pair of superior players and catch them off guard, stealing KOs in the process.

The first SSB was a goddamn phenomenon in my circle of friends: everyone played it, everyone loved it.

SSBM wasn't as well received. The controls were loose and the game moved faster than the previous one and thus was based more on reflex than strategy and skill. A player who mashed buttons in SSB would get absolutely nothing done. A player who button mashes in SSBM can do far more damage, especially with the c-stick at their disposal.

To quote one friend, "It feels more mortal kombatish." For starters, it lacked the tight controls that SSB did. It also lacked the balance, as lighter characters will ALWAYS have a decided advantage due to speed. I kick ass with Bowser: I picked him as my main because I knew he held the greatest disadvantage (he shares the bottom tier with Pichu), but I know for a fact that trying to take him into the tournament circuit would never work because speed is king in SSBM.

I want balance, no clones, and I'd love a "classic" mode which moves at the same speed as the original.

However, I expect SSB3 to be "turboed" out, making it throughly unplayable for most fans of the original and to be absolutely littered with clones and for the secret character selection to suck a whole pile of ass.

That way, I'm not setting myself up for the same disappointment of SSBM.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Sonic The Hedgehog Revolution
« on: April 23, 2006, 07:37:06 PM »
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Originally posted by: Infernal Monkey
The whole game will probably just be the Sonic 2 special stage, Mega Drive graphics and all.


Wouldn't surprise me.

With Sonic Team's record as of late, they should hand Sonic over to someone else and just dissolve. They've made it clear too many times that they don't have the ability to make decent games anymore.

Even "Billy Hatcher" was boring and repetitive, though the multiplayer was somewhat decent...

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