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I hope to GOD it has something to do with "wee" so the name will make more sense.

Like a wee little man live inside the Rev and comes out to talk to you or something...

And I think this psycho-babble bullsh*t about "wii will be one and wii will change the world" is far, FAR more likely to scare off non-gamers than any other possible name out there.

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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation
What can I say?  I like violently opposing the popular opinion.


So you just blindly go against what the majority says without even questioning your own motives?

I'd suggest contemplating the consequences and weighing the evidence before I tried to form an opinion, not just adopt a counter opinion and run with it.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!
« on: April 28, 2006, 05:40:45 AM »
Yeah, I saw the WWII connection as well and wondered about that.

Most unknowing people who read it (ie non-gamers. ie Nintendo's alleged target market) might think of it in that direction.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Some things I need to get off my chest about Wii
« on: April 28, 2006, 05:39:06 AM »
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Originally posted by: trip1eX
Yeah as the days go by everyone will let out their steam and gradually surrender to the name.


I'm personally still going to call it the "Rev", as will everyone I know IRL.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:the official : "telling family about wii" thread
« on: April 28, 2006, 05:36:13 AM »
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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation
I think it's good that it's making people laugh.
I'm enjoying that, at least.  Nintendo knows fun.


But when you're laughing AT them and not WITH them, do you know what that makes Nintendo?

That's right: the next Starwars kid.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!
« on: April 28, 2006, 05:08:27 AM »
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Originally posted by: Infernal Monkey
Hey guys I am complaining on the internet about the name of a video game machine because I will feel very insecure about saying 'wee' out loud. Please agree with how awkward this is for me okay. We can send some emails and everything.


I'm complaining on the internet because the last Nintendo home console I bought is still gathering dust right now because it didn't follow through with good 3rd party support through its life span and I don't want the next console to suffer the same fate.

It's one thing to make a console which doesn't aim at hardcore gamers. It's another entirely to try to intentionally alienate them with a god-awful name. It's like Nintendo actually must have said, "We don't need their money."

It's bullsh*t: Nintendo DOES need their money, especially if they can't pull the non-gamer numbers that they're hoping to pull, and I don't see how slapping a ridiculous pun for a name on a console is going to suddenly make it appeal to non-gamers.

The Revolution was a sound concept which I think could have sold JUST fine as the "Revolution". It didn't need to give potential buyers yet ONE more reason to not buy it. There's already a long list of reasons the average gamer won't buy a Nintendo console and I don't think that banking on non-gamers when we've never seen if they'll ACTUALLY pick up a console is a horrible idea.

I know the blue ocean strategy is supposed to do this, but having a fallback net of GAMERS who like what you're selling is just common sense.

It just seems like one gamble too many. "Wii" doesn't mean anything to anyone and unless Nintendo is willing to drop the BIIIIG bucks on an advertising campaign, then it never will.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!
« on: April 28, 2006, 05:06:59 AM »
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Originally posted by: Michael8983
Says who?
We don't know that the Gamecube would have sold any better with a realistic Zelda - or online titles and a more generic design and color for that matter.


I will bet organs that TP will outsell WW. Organs.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Revolution no more-Nintendo Wii
« on: April 27, 2006, 09:02:19 PM »
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Originally posted by: Zach This name is a very difficult problem that nintendo has made for itself, and they have to realize what some people are going to think about it in the west, it will at first be a negative reaction when the casuals hear about it, so Nintendo will have dug themselves into a hole before they even launch.


That's what I'm concerned about.

Everyone here can say, "I love it!" but we aren't the segment Nintendo needs to convince and when it came to market, I think the name Rev would have served them better in that department.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Revolution no more-Nintendo Wii
« on: April 27, 2006, 08:57:27 PM »
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Originally posted by: Dasmos
Come on, why is there such drama? It's just a name.

You're not going to kill yourself over a bad name, are you?


I went from "WTF Nintendo?!?!" to "Well, they'd better advertise the HELL out of it if they want it to succeed."

I want it to succeed. I'm genetically programmed not to dislike the actions of the little guy (aka Nintendo), but they had BETTER get the lead out and throw so many ads on American TV that everyone and their mother will know what Wii is.

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Originally posted by: Mario If this new secret is more intriguing than the remote and "Wii", then nobody here has a CHANCE of guessing it.


I'm thinking "Wii", in the context the site used it, indicates that Nintendo is not only doing something with online play, but they intend to do something with it that no one has ever done before. Then again, that could be hype and we're used to seeing things like that be overblown by Nintendo.

Either that, or like the editors suggested in their discussion, Wii stands for "Wireless Interactive Innovation" or something along those lines, indicative of the Revmote.

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Originally posted by: PaLaDiN Be that as it may, I like this name but no amount of Nintendo PR can make me accept Metroid Prime Hunters or this vapid online direction they seem to be going in.


Not to be the harbinger of sorrow or anything, but all this talk about "we will change it together" seems to indicate that Nintendo has some rather extensive online plans.

At least, that'd be my first guess.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Revolution no more-Nintendo Wii
« on: April 27, 2006, 08:41:39 PM »
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Originally posted by: mantidor
He had, he doesnt like it, but everyone with a brain knows that the name doesnt matter... the problem is, tha the common people, as a group, as the "mob", are brainless.


I just don't see the necessity for a gamble. I'm sure the console would have sold fine as the Rev. Wii, I'm not so convinced.

Like every made up word, if they blow millions on marketing (time to put those DS profits to USE) then they can get the name into everyone's head and get it recognized, but it could easily backfire and not generate the hype they're aiming for.

If Nintendo ramps up and markets this more than Sony and MS are marketing their consoles, then I could see it succeeding.

Anything less than a multi-million dollar campaign, though, and I doubt Wii will become the household name Nintendo needs it to be.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!
« on: April 27, 2006, 08:17:28 PM »
First of all, your praise weighed against the river of hate they must be receiving is a whisper on a scream.

Second, the ONLY way Nintendo can succeed with this name is if they market the ever-loving F*CK out of it.

I mean every 10th ad I see on TV had better be for the Wii and I don't think I'm even exaggerating.

If Nintendo can basically push the name so far into the American mindset that people will overlook how silly it is, then it'll probably succeed.

HOWEVER, if history has shown us anything, it's that Nintendo just doesn't advertise its products enough to get the concept across. Do we REALLY expect them to pony up enough of a marketing budget to see to it that Wii becomes the household name it needs to become?

I admit I'm less angry now, but I'm still very much CONCERNED. I hope I'm wrong, but unless they GET THE WORD OUT, Wii will just be another failed marketing concept like "OK Soda" (anyone else remember it?).

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Revolution no more-Nintendo Wii
« on: April 27, 2006, 07:22:27 PM »
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Originally posted by: pudu
I’ve asked for opinions from my family members and most don’t seem to care much. A common reaction was, “that’s strange”. After a lot of pondering I think the awkwardness in the name is mainly due to the fact that it goes against the Enlish language. It simply isn’t natural to take a pronoun such as “we” (or he, she, they, etc.) and use it as a noun. I think it will be very difficult to train my brain that the very common word “we” can now be considered both a noun and a pronoun. It just doesn’t compute in my brain and feels…well it just feels wrong to say it.

To make sure I look at both sides, if Nintendo does somehow succeed and people beging to accept “Wii” as being both a noun and pronoun then people will then basically be saying Nintendo’s new console’s name constantly each day. You don’t see people walking around saying PS3 this PS3 that without even knowing it


See, that's another issue entirely.

The word "wee" already has a foundation in the english language. It'd be one thing if they invented a completely new word with a completely new pronunciation, but it's like they've tried to replace an existing word with the name of their console.

Even the iPod wasn't THAT ambitious...

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Revolution no more-Nintendo Wii
« on: April 27, 2006, 07:19:12 PM »
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Originally posted by: wandering New name for new concept! I just went over this.

No it doesn't! 'Revolution' has nothing to do with motion sensing. It evokes other things and therefore distracts from what the Wii actually does.


Thing is, I don't see "wii" doing any better of a job than Rev. Rev has ambition about it, wii is just some made up word some overpaid advertising executive likely grunted out.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Revolution no more-Nintendo Wii
« on: April 27, 2006, 06:57:12 PM »
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Originally posted by: Mario How the flying crap did you come to that conclusion? This says gaming more than any other name, fun and simple. It's not a freaking generic box.


I think the GAMEcube did a much better job. Like I said, "wii" reads like some off-brand German sound system or car. How do you figure "wii" sounds like a gaming console at all?

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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation The Wii is its own marketing campaign.  It has to be both at once, Nintendo's success relies on the fact that people know what the console does.


How exactly do you derive "motion sensing wireless controller" from "wee"?

At least "Revolution" immediately presents the potential buyer with an image of what the console aims to accomplish.  

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Weee!
« on: April 27, 2006, 06:52:16 PM »
Yeah, it was WAAY back when.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!
« on: April 27, 2006, 06:49:11 PM »
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But why force a potential fan to wrap their mind around a name. It seems like an unecessary hurdle.


It IS an unnecessary hurdle. Many people are going to take some convincing to even pick up the revmote, let alone buy the console.

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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation Yeah, I'm sure you know the American mindset far, far better than all us other Americans.
By the way, it's not called wee, it's Wii.  Get it right.


So you're saying that average Joe gamer X is mature and secure enough to buy a console pronounced "wee"?

Sorry, but no, I don't believe that for even a SECOND. These are the same gamers who are convinced that Nintendo is aimed at children and equate using its hardware and software to wearing diapers.

Seriously, go post on a general gaming forum and the non-Nintendo fans will all say the exact same thing: Nintendo is for children.

I thought, before this announcement, that we all pretty much agreed that Nintendo needed, above all else, to shake this kidd!e image and appeal to older gamers. Nintendo loses and loses BADLY when it comes to selling to older gamers, and they represent the majority of the market, which is clearly indicated by the fact that the GC is LAST in hardware sales this gen.

Reggie had even said that the GC was the benchmark for sales, that, if the Rev didn't outsell the cube, that it was a failure. With this new name, I'm not so sure it WILL outsell the cube.

Selling "wee" to the public is going to be selling something completely unheard of, and unless Nintendo plans to actually do some advertising this gen, it's NOT going to work. Sony and MS advertise their consoles like crazy. The last major wave of Nintendo ads I can recall was the miserable "Who are you?" ad campaign, which the new "Wii will change everything" campaign seems to have a great deal in common with. Both are vague and don't establish what the product in question even DOES.

At least with "Revolution", the name was self-explanitory: who doesn't know what a "Revolution" is? Nintendo shouldn't have to explain the name of their new console for people to understand it, especially when it already has enough new and different factors going for it.

I think it's a bad idea, and chastise me all you want, accuse me of whining, whatever. The average American gamer is image conscious and will not buy a product with a ridiculous name because they feel it will say something about them by association. Yes, that IS an immensely ignorant manner of thinking, but THAT is the sad state of the American mindset. It's not something I'm condoning, but it's the truth of the matter: American consumers are image-conscious and will not buy a product which they feel runs counter to their desired image.

It's not like I'm demanding blood from Nintendo. I simply think that the name "Revolution" had far more impact, universal understanding and selling power than "wii" ever will and I strongly believe that it would be in Nintendo's best interest to keep the name Revolution.

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Nintendo Gaming / Weee!
« on: April 27, 2006, 06:25:16 PM »
One of the first things I though of when I heard the name (not safe for work)

I wonder if I was the only one...

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Revolution no more-Nintendo Wii
« on: April 27, 2006, 06:23:56 PM »
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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation
There are also hundreds of marketing campaigns, many unconventional, that have succeeded.  What's your point?


This isn't a marketing campaign. It's a console name, and it sounds like they let marketing pick the name instead of the creators.

It's a bad pun. A BAD PUN. Nintendo said they wanted to attract the people who were scared away from gaming, yet the name "Wii" sounds so completely bizarre that I'm sure that market segment will still be scared away by it.

It's like they're trying to dress it up to not be a gaming console at all and I definitely don't agree with that approach. The DS succeeded because it was still a handheld console, just one which featured new concepts.

This sounds like it's trying to not be a console at all.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Revolution no more-Nintendo Wii
« on: April 27, 2006, 04:51:05 PM »
That's what it sounds like to me.

"Wii" will be as one? It sounds like they took the marketing bit WAAY too far into a place where the average consumer will have no idea what they're trying to get at.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Revolution no more-Nintendo Wii
« on: April 27, 2006, 04:43:18 PM »
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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation
Smash_Brother, your posts are losing their reasonable edge.  Just sounds like whining now.


How so? It's a VERY new concept in gaming from a company which finished 3rd last generation. Revolution was a name which is well known and everyone can relate to it, understand it and pronounce it. Wii just sounds like some exec was trying to hard to think up a name and I know it'll be a turn-off to the American gamer.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!
« on: April 27, 2006, 04:40:27 PM »
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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation
Oh snap, my opinion amounts to nothing, eh?  Yeah, alright.  But what about the people at Nintendo who chose the name?  They obviously chose it for a reason, and I'm willing to bet, regardless of what you may have lead yourself to believe, that they have at least a little bit of a plan.


None of the opinions here mean anything: we're Nintendo fans, we're already guaranteed sales.

Nintendo's target demographic right now should be the person who wasn't going to pick up their console. Red Steel was a step in the right direction. This is a huge step backwards. I'm sorry, but I know the American mindset far too well. You just won't sell a console called "wee" to 9 of 10 American gamers.

Revolution, sure, but Wii ain't gonna cut it.

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I have YET to see a so-called "good opinion" on the name...All I have seen are elementary school-level urine jokes and insecure forum members...And yes, I do find this level of thinking to be very, VERY moronic...


Gamers in the US are easily swayed by image. EVERYONE in the US is, gamers are no exception. With Red Steel, the Rev looked like it would do what Nintendo has needed to do for a while: take back some of that older demographic market share and earn itself something other than a 3rd place finish.

Revolution was an EXCELLENT name: it described exactly what Nintendo intended to do. The word "Revolution" has been known far and wide as the act of change via force, and that's a pretty bold statement by Nintendo, one which EVERYONE in the world can recognize.

"Wii" lacks that power. It doesn't have the oomph, it doesn't have the name recognition and it sounds like some marketing executive was just trying far too hard to come up with something new and daring.

"Wii" play together? That's not very far from Xbox Live's tagline "It's good to play together."

So, the reasons why I think the name is a bad idea:

1. It's a bad pun. Puns are like passing jokes. Naming a console after a pun? Huh?

2. It loses massive appeal in the US. I don't care what anyone says, Nintendo needs to take back some of the US market and this is arguably their last chance to do so. The name "Revolution" is a very strong name, one which every American can relate to. There are plenty of gamers who I'm sure were on the fence but will decide not to own a "Wii".

3. Nintendo needs as broad of an appeal as it can get. Now is not the time to be changing a name which is already very well received to a name which needs to be explained before anyone even knows how to pronounce it. If I didn't know beforehand, my guess would be that it's some kind of German stereo system, not Nintendo's revolutionary new console.

4. The name just sounds diminutive, weak and lifeless. The DS was named the DS because that's what it was: a handheld with Dual Screens. The Rev was going to be the Revolution in home gaming. The KISS motto (keep it simple, stupid) was the WAY to go here. It worked for the DS and I have no doubt it would have worked for the Rev.

I think the name is a bad idea. I know it's going to hurt sales. There's not a doubt in my mind that Nintendo will LOSE sales because of this name change.

Furthermore, our opinions don't matter. We're PGC posters: we're the hardest of the hardcore Nintendo fanboys. You think what WE think of the console name means anything? We're already guaranteed sales.

We're not Nintendo's target market because they don't need to do any marketing to us. Their target market is the player who wasn't going to buy their console and I know for a fact that they've alienated likely thousands of those with this weak and unimpressive name.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!
« on: April 27, 2006, 01:15:34 PM »
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Originally posted by: WesDawg The success of the console won't depend even slightly on the 10 people out there who won't buy it because of the name though.


Beyond sounding like a synonym for piss, the name is silly and childish.

There are far more than 10 people in the US who won't buy something with a lousy name, like easily 200 million who won't.

As sad as it is, many people place more value on the items they own than who they are and these people are not going to own a "wee". They stand a good chance of owning a Revolution, but not a wee.

Revolution is a strong name, indicating a rebellion and change in the way games are played. It perfectly summarized Nintendo's next home console. "Wii" is an irritating neo-marketing buzz pun which has no meaning to anyone and needs to be explained in order not to be ridiculed, and even then, it'll likely still be ridiculed.

"It's like "wii" play together, get it?"
"Yeah, and it's still dumb."

This isn't like nick naming a huge guy "Fluffy". He can be called Fluffy because everyone can see plain as day that he's huge. The joke is readily apparent and no one is going to mess with Fluffy.

The Rev is unproven. It cannot go into the market acting like the concept is already sold when it isn't. The proof is in the pudding, and no one is going to buy "brown poop pudding snacks" so it doesn't matter how good they might be.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Revolution no more-Nintendo Wii
« on: April 27, 2006, 01:06:40 PM »
When I call gamestop or a video rental place, I am going to have to check on a game and when they ask what console, I will have to say, "the wee".

Nintendo already has enough hurdles to overcome this gen. A stupid name which needs to be explained in order to not be ridiculed does NOT need to be added to that list.

Revolution was a perfect name: everyone knows what it means, everyone knows what it entails. It's a powerful statement and this is the first console in 20 years which is actually able to live up to the name.

Naming it after some god-awful neo-marketing buzz pun is a horrible, horrible idea.

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