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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!
« on: April 29, 2006, 10:11:10 AM »
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Originally posted by: Gamebasher When people play Metroid Prime 3, Legend of Zelda: TLP, Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz, Red Steel they will become less hostile towards the name of the machine.


See, it'd be even better if the machine wasn't given a name that generates hostility to begin with...

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!
« on: April 29, 2006, 10:09:19 AM »
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Originally posted by: 31 Flavas Wii boring? Why does it have you and the internet all hot and bothered then?


Because Nintendo announced that it's the name of their console and the only ones in an uproar are the people who already play videogames.

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Here we go again, you're projecting your opinion as fact. Have you asked non-gamers yet what they think of Wii? We saw this last time with the DS vs PSP.

I mean, geez, EVERYONE was going to buy a PSP over a DS or GBA. It was just one of those internet FACTS. The PSP was quickly and succinctly going to put an end to Nintendo and the DS would just get miserable ports of a few general audience PSP games. What happened in the end? DS killed the PSP in Japan and 7 year old GBA out sold PSP in North America. So much for that widely held fact...


What are you talking about? Since when did EVERYONE say they'd buy a PSP? I remember reading the comments from multiple sites about what people though and, before both consoles launched, it was ALWAYS about even in terms of support. Most people said they wanted both.

And every gamer or non-gamer I've asked has given nothing but negative feedback to the name.

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Weeee, more of these "facts".


I don't go to to Gamestop very often, but the past 2-3 times I've been there, I've ALWAYS seen at least one person show up with a GC and a pile of games to get rid of. The first time I can see as coincidence, but it has happened far too often.

Nintendo is not a respected name in the US, certainly not with older gamers, and less and less all the time in general. It doesn't take research to figure this out. When game stores and rental places have tiny GC sections, it's because it's the least moved software, and I routinely see the GC getting very little shelf space.

Nintendo has a great deal of ground to recover in the US. Like the name or hate it, this is certainly the current state of Nintendo.  

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Wiik NOA
« on: April 29, 2006, 09:54:42 AM »
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane Less sales means less market share which means less third party support which means less satisfaction on my part.


Many people just don't get this fact.

I don't care about the name: I care about 3rd parties developing for the console after the initial round of launch games, and that depends on system sales.

I don't want to own another dust gatherer like the GC.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!
« on: April 28, 2006, 10:14:03 PM »
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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation I hope you realize, and everyone that's intent on calling it Rev, that when this system is released in five or so months things will be different.  I'll go into  the store and ask for the Wii, and they'll give it to me without even cracking a grin.  They'll probably own one themselves.  You'll go in and ask for a Revolution, and depending on who you ask they may not even know what you're talking about. "Oh we don't carry that" or "You still call it Rev?".   You'll make a fool out of yourself for calling it a code name that died nearly half a year ago.


I hope you're right. I hope my concerns are baseless, but I just can't look at the name and not think, "Gee, if I love Nintendo, and I think the name is a bad idea, what are the people who hate Nintendo going to do?" and that includes the same Gamestop clerks who recommend games and systems to people on a daily basis.

It's time I stopped talking about this. It's irrelevant. Nothing I say will change what Nintendo is going to do. Might as well just wait and pray that E3 offers some more explanation, like that Wii is an abbreviation for something interesting or what they plan to do, or that they have a billion dollar ad campaign ramping up.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!
« on: April 28, 2006, 10:05:50 PM »
Fine, then name it something which isn't boring, but "wee" doesn't pass that sniff test.

Even "OK Soda" was more intriguing than "wii"...

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!
« on: April 28, 2006, 09:53:45 PM »
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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation Oh, come on!  What?  They're not replacing the word, what that word means is an integral part of the name.  Don't be ridiculous.


When people have to ask which "we" I mean when I say the word, then they've interjected their language over mine, hence why I'll continue to say "Rev" because everyone knows exactly what I'm talking about.

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What's wrong with being boring? Are you kidding? No strong opinion means no interest means no sales. Safe and neutral will never work for Nintendo because they aren't a safe and neutral company. They're leaders, not followers. And until they stop acting like wannabe losers, and start actually flaunting their true personality, the majority of americans won't respect them or show much interest in them.


"Revolution" isn't boring. Revolution is the act of change for the better via force. You want boring? 360, Playstation...THAT'S boring. Revolution is far from boring. And "wee" is still boring.

The GAMES are what matter, and with a relatively neutral name like "Revolution", Nintendo could have probably convinced far more people to give the console a try and see how good the games are than with a name like "wee".

The US marketplace is a harsh, unforgiving wasteland, and Nintendo is on its last legs here as it is.

I'm sorry, but the beast-raping the American media is going to give this console will not be pretty...

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!
« on: April 28, 2006, 09:14:13 PM »
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hey i take offense to that. i'm an apple and even i think the name is terrible but doing go dragging the good name of innocent fruit into this!


Good call. My apologies.

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Originally posted by: Mario
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When you don't even pose a counter argument, it further proves Ian's point.

See what Paladin did here? This is a counter argument. You look like less of a nebbish Nintendo fanboy when you use one.

I'm not going to repeat myself, and you need to lighten up.

What I like mostly about Wii, is that Nintendo effectively walked right up to everyone who wanted them to become more mature and generic, and slapped them in the face with a nice bag of reality.


Who wanted Nintendo to be mature and generic? More to the point, how could ANYTHING Nintendo do with the Rev EVER be considered generic?

The only bag of reality is their own hypocrisy when it comes to this name. They say "We're all about the games! Games, games, games!" Then, they roll out a marketing campaign so full of psychotic babble that it rivals scientology in madness, spouting nonsense like "Wee will play as one". What happened, guys? Weren't the GAMES the focus of the console, not some horrible invented word/pun which needs a paragraph of explanation?

I think it's pretty safe to say that non-gamers are going to steer clear of a product when its advertising sounds like the hook mantra for a satanic cult "Weee willl change the wooooorrllldd....".

The Rev was fine as the Rev. The name was neutral and didn't need to be explained.

And I can't see how the Revolution is pretentious when Nintendo pulls out a name which strives to replace a common word in the english language. We've used the word for thousands of years and now Nintendo thinks they can replace the word with their console name?

Even the iPod wasn't THAT ambitious...

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Japan hates Wii.
« on: April 28, 2006, 08:58:52 PM »
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Originally posted by: mantidor
The top for me is and will always be Twilight Princess remote functionality, but this is awfully close.


This blows TP revmote clear out of the water for me. Revmote functionality isn't going to hinder sales like this will.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Punk'd by Nintendo
« on: April 28, 2006, 08:55:45 PM »
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Originally posted by: wandering
The power of wii has infected everyone on the ship. Being an android, I am the only one not affected. Therefore, I can say with absolute objectivity, that there is only solution: everyone who does not like the name 'wii' needs to piss off because they are stupid.


See, you're being sarcastic (I HOPE...), but there are people here making this exact same argument and they're serious.

Let me let people in on a little secret: when you can't make an argument without resorting to insult and mockery of the other party, then you subconsciously know that your argument doesn't hold water.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Game News and Rumours
« on: April 28, 2006, 08:49:14 PM »
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Originally posted by: Mario HORRIBLE news about the NST FPS. It's gonna turn out like generic garbage (like MPH) and we already have an exclusive FPS in Red Steel, and I wanted Wave Race from them!


Your name is noticeably absent from the list of wifi MPH friend codes.

Hmm...

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Punk'd by Nintendo
« on: April 28, 2006, 08:46:00 PM »
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
I'm having a great time watching people get into a huge piss over a NAME, then watching as their little conspiracy hopes are shattered, and then watching them have an even greater whine...

(Ahaha, personal attack, I don't think so...)

(Edit: I wonder how many enemies I've (and other Wii advocates such as Deg and Hostile Creation) unjustly made because of me mocking the whole "urine" argument and this whole tirade in general...It's pretty sad, really, considering I hold nothing personal against any PGC member...A NAME is tearing this community apart, and it's not the name's fault...)


It doesn't take a marketing major to determine that giving an excellent product an awful name can and likely will kill it.

First of all, I've confirmed this with quite a few European friends: in many parts of Europe, "wee" is a widely accepted synonym for urine in everyday ADULT language. "I need to go have a wee in the loo."

Second, the urine argument has long since passed about the US and far, FAR more valid arguments have been made but you've instead chosen to cling to the urine argument.

I don't know what kind of HOLE someone has to live in in order to not grasp the fact that image is THE #1 deciding factor in US marketing. I'm not condoning it, and I don't follow it personally, but it's the goddamn truth and anyone who believes even for a SECOND otherwise needs to pull their head out of their ass.

People in the US buy iPods because it's fashionable, not because it's a good MP3 player. Apple created a trend and people follow it like sheep.

What has killed Nintendo these past two generations? Was it games? HELL no. I STARTED my Nintendo gaming with the N64 and I've been privileged to experience the games it and the GC alike have given me over the years.

And yet both of those consoles were last place in their generation. So, it's not GAMES which Nintendo is losing on, so what else is there? WHY on earth would Nintendo sell fewer consoles in the US than in Japan? Why is the PSP almost neck and neck with the DS in the US despite having zero killer apps?

IT'S IMAGE, GODDAMN IT!!!!

And what irks me more is that, BEFORE this whole fiasco, we all seemed to agree that Nintendo could probably stand to lose the image that it's aimed at children Then, they announce that the Rev will be renamed to one of the silliest, most ridiculously childish names imaginable, and many people here go into "fanboy alert mode": despite all logic, they LOVE the name and blindly approve of it.

If the N64 and the GC have lost Nintendo home console market share because of their image, how is the next console being pronounced "wee" not a severe blow to Nintendo's chances for recovering any market share in the US?

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!
« on: April 28, 2006, 12:48:14 PM »
BAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH!


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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Some things I need to get off my chest about Wii
« on: April 28, 2006, 12:02:25 PM »
The name is the biggest mistake Nintendo has made since cartridges over CDs.

But it could still succeed if they spamvertise the living hell out of it, but I ain't holding my breath for that.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Japan hates Wii.
« on: April 28, 2006, 11:58:04 AM »
Homoerotics already arrived:

"Guys, let's go home and play with my wee."
"Can we all play with your wee?"
"Sure. The more people playing with my wee, the better."

"Mom, Timmy's coming over to hook our wees together."

It will only get worse.

Was anyone mocking Revolution? I don't think so. In fact, people loved saying "Viva la Revolution!"

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!
« on: April 28, 2006, 11:50:47 AM »
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane I'm saying they should make an effort to not be lame.  What's wrong with Nintendo having a very normal name that no one would have any strong opinion about?  If the games are all that matters then why do they need an odd name anyway?  What does Nintendo possibly gain with calling their console Wii?  There is an INSANE amount of risk and there is like no payoff.  They gain no advantage whatsoever in choosing this name over something more neutral.


This is exactly what I mean.

I don't see the need for a gamble with a strange and bizarre name. The Rev would have sold fine because of the GAMES. Nintendo itself cannot stop touting the fact that they're all about GAMES, first and foremost.

So what do they need this fruity-ass name for if the games are what could sell the console? Why have a name which will likely be a turn off in the US (and Japan and France hate it too, apparently) when a name with no potential negative connotations would work just as well?

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!
« on: April 28, 2006, 11:44:52 AM »
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Originally posted by: Gamebasher Nintendo has always given me the best games there is to play, so good in fact that I found it hard to find anything that was as good on the other two consoles, so I have no reason to believe that a name which at first seem odd, will change any of all that!


I'm sorry, but it all means jack-squat if no one buys the thing because they have no idea what it is.

It's possible to be cool and yet appeal to the average person at the same time. Best example? The iPod. The iPod didn't try to be so ambitious as to replace a proper noun in any language and its name fits what is: a pod-shaped device which belongs to you. Even the name "iPod" suggests that the device has a presence of some kind.

"wii" has none of that. It could be a soda, a plant, a line of women's clothing, etc. No matter what you may believe it is, it sounds pretentious and manufactured by advertisers.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Japan hates Wii.
« on: April 28, 2006, 11:14:58 AM »
The Nintendo "Yes" probably wouldn't go over well with me, either.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!
« on: April 28, 2006, 11:11:54 AM »
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Originally posted by: PaLaDiN They can also increase sales and get more games by being fun instead of cool... look at the DS. The thing has everything going against it except for fun, and it's outselling the PSP with its amazing superior image and marketing pretty much everywhere.


...Everywhere except the US, where people care more about the image than the product.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!
« on: April 28, 2006, 11:09:50 AM »
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Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
You realize you're just strengthening my point: they need to find another way to sell the console to people, because this "cool" thing just isn't working out for them.

Nintendo needs to utterly divorce themselves from the whole Sony and Microsoft marketing style of "cool" and reach out to new people the way they reached out to me with the NES and Mario... the message should be, "buy this console to have some simple fun". Forget about "cool". Forget about catering to the whims of an increasingly jaded and elitist mindset. Give my brother a reason other than a pathetic desire to be "cool" to buy their console.


Sony and MS didn't invent that image: it was already there, they just adhered to it and learned to market within its confines. Tobacco companies have made billions selling to children by convincing them that smoking is cool. Kids were trying to be cool LONG before video games were around. Like it or not, THAT is how you sell product in the US, by convincing Americans that they'll have a better image for owning it.

Look at the Gamecube. Look how well the "ignore image, people will buy it anyway" philosophy worked for them: LAST FRIGGIN' PLACE!

Nintendo didn't HAVE to do anything else this gen to be the COOL console. They have what equates virtual reality for many people and that alone would make them the coolest, but then they go and stick the console with one of the fruitiest sounding names imaginable, sending it right from 1st place in the "cool" department to last.

I'd say they shot off a foot, but this is more like shooting off a whole leg.  

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:the official : "telling family about wii" thread
« on: April 28, 2006, 10:49:33 AM »
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Originally posted by: vudu At first all they need to do is buy a few one-minute ad spots during major programs and air the video at revolution.nintendo.com.  That will work nicely for letting the world know that Nintendo's rebranded itself.


Maybe.

Nintendo basically needs to convince the entirety of NA that it's actually in the running this time around and intends to make a serious play for 1st place. It's going to take some serious marketing and probably some LUCK to get this to happen.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!
« on: April 28, 2006, 10:42:37 AM »
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Originally posted by: PaLaDiN My 8-year-old brother is buying a PSP, not because of the games, not because it's fun, but because it's cool. Do you see nothing wrong with this?


You just answered your own question.

Unless Nintendo has completely abandoned the NA market, then they're going to have an insanely uphill battle when it comes to elevating "wii" to the status of "cool".

In fact, giving the tendency of their marketing to be awful, I don't think they can do it.

Revolution was at least a socially acceptable name. It wasn't diminutive, spelled oddly and didn't have any meaning other than its intended meaning. You didn't need a pamphlet to understand what Nintendo was trying to get across.

I think most people won't BOTHER to learn what "wii" means. I think most people will assume it's something pretentious and uninteresting and never think twice about it. People are bombarded with so much advertising crap these days that I hardly expect Nintendo to be able to catch their eye, especially when Sony and MS have roughly 20X their marketing budget.

I'd LOVE to be wrong here, but "wii" will have a harder time earning respect in the eyes of the potential American buyer than Revolution will and that's my primary gripe with the name.

No one wants to buy the console that is a "joke", they want to buy the cool console. The Rev had a very good chance of BEING that console, especially with games like Red Steel in its launch lineup, but the "wee" practically demands that the image-conscious American does NOT buy it. Again, this is a market in which Nintendo BADLY needs to recover and giving their console a bad pun for a name is not the road to that recovery.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:the official : "telling family about wii" thread
« on: April 28, 2006, 10:30:30 AM »
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Originally posted by: vudu
Most people watch TV.  Most people's first real impressions will be from commercials.  I find it unlikely that Nintendo will just say Wii and end the commercial like that.  At least in the beginning, they'll explain the name, the concept and how it works.


I have zero faith in Nintendo's marketing. They've been so god awful at marketing for so long that I don't think marketing could ever save them.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:the official : "telling family about wii" thread
« on: April 28, 2006, 10:22:49 AM »
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Originally posted by: Caliban
Oh shut up Smash_Brother, there was nothing wrong with the Starwars kid but there was/is something really wrong with people that make fun of him in a bad way.


That's exactly the point I'm making.

The Starwars kid was ridiculed. Nintendo is being ridiculed. They're giving their console a name which invites ridicule. Not sales, ridicule. I can think of many, many marketing strategies, but intentionally giving your product a name which people will find weak and easily mocked has never crossed my mind as one of them.

If the console doesn't even take itself seriously, how is the average customer going to take it seriously enough to buy it?

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!
« on: April 28, 2006, 09:23:20 AM »
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Thank you, that's the funniest thing i've ever read in my entire life.


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<sarcasm> We've got a Nostradamus in the forum! </sarcasm>


When you don't even pose a counter argument, it further proves Ian's point.

See what Paladin did here? This is a counter argument. You look like less of a nebbish Nintendo fanboy when you use one.

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Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
Okay Ian, have fun avoiding a console whose name you "don't care about" because of its name... and what your no doubt extensive marketing experience tells you other people will think about it. Because after all, market success is more important than having fun. Your dollars shouldn't go towards buying things to have fun with, they should go toward guaranteeing you belong in a group that will get fun things later.

I'm with Deguello. Enough with the immaturity... one day was all right, I assumed you all weren't that serious. Now it's just... kind of sad.


I'm still going to buy one (read my sig quote, heh), but Ian's point is not that he's afraid to buy one because of the name but that the console will bomb in NA because of the name and it'll be the GC all over again.

Frankly, this is my concern as well, and like I said, unless Nintendo advertises this thing more than the iPod, I don't see how it's going to take off.

Nintendo's name should have been one that all of their fans (at least 95%) would have heard and said, "That's PERFECT!" If anything, we have the exact opposite ratio going on. If the majority of Nintendo's fans don't like it, what are the non-gamers going to think? What are OTHER gamers going to think?

Even Japan isn't pleased with it.

The Rev was likely going to sell JUST fine with its current name and setup. Why throw one more hurdle in its path with a bizarre name which needs to be explained before a person even knows how to pronounce it and even then will likely still sound ridiculous to them?

If Nintendo was going for a joke to make people laugh at their console, I'm sure it worked, but who's going to take a console seriously (and buy it) when it can't even take ITSELF seriously?

I'll enjoy my Rev, no doubt, but I don't think Ian is too far off. I think people need to get out of PGC's forums and see what the rest of the internet is saying because you can't sit in a safety web of loyal Nintendo fanboys out there and denounce dissenting opinions on the name.

People hate the name and many people who were on the fence will likely not buy it because of the name. If Ian doesn't want to buy a console which is basically jeopardizing its own future, then I don't blame him.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!
« on: April 28, 2006, 08:51:25 AM »
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Originally posted by: BigJim I haven't seen any good marketing out of them in years, so consider me concerned. They can brand it whatever stupid name they want, but if they don't have a plan to make it stick, they're done before they began.


This is my concern exactly: the iPod is advertised everywhere, all the damn time, all over the damn place. You can't go through any city without seeing an iPod ad.

Unless the "wee" gets that kind of advertising coverage, I don't see it doing well either.

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