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Nintendo Gaming / RE:uh-oh: Nintendo reconsidering Wii?
« on: May 01, 2006, 11:04:06 AM »
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Originally posted by: pap64 Congratulations, Smash_Brother! You just have created a name worse than Wii! :-P


Then call it the UK in England, the CA in Canada, etc. etc.

Make it the console for everyone, regardless of country or nationality.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Wii Madden advertising ideas-and others
« on: May 01, 2006, 11:02:11 AM »
Free hand controller (the remote).

Like I said, the control scheme could make ALL the difference if marketed properly.

That, and the GC didn't have an online mode.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!
« on: May 01, 2006, 10:58:26 AM »
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Originally posted by: eljefe Even if noone else does, at least you'll be having loads of fun.


I will, but I fear that, like the cube, the Wii will experience a software drought later in its life, leaving me to play PC games or go buy another console if I want to play games.

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Like what?


Well, like Revolution: the console which promises a Revolution in gaming. What's wrong with calling it as such?

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Originally posted by: Kairon
Smash, you are meant to play with the Wii name.

Play with it high-brow if you like, play with it low-brow if you like, but just play with it. Be curious and explore it.
It's not a literal name, so it immediately evokes curiousity, and to figure out what it is you need to investigate it and play with it.

Play. As far as bizarre niveau-marketting tactics go, that's a hell of a lot more than a simple pun.


God willing, Nintendo can devise an ad campaign that will make "Wii" hip.

I hate to say it, but ALL of the marbles are riding on what Nintendo can do with advertising here.

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NWR Forums Discord / RE:Someone did us all a favor...
« on: May 01, 2006, 10:43:54 AM »
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Originally posted by: Pale
http://www.stopbitchingaboutwii.com/


http://wiiaregoingtohell.ytmnd.com/

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Nintendo should partner with Apple
« on: May 01, 2006, 10:21:52 AM »
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Originally posted by: Arbok The only, only, way this could be bad is if it somehow punishes people for not owning an iPod.


Apple doesn't even punish people for owning PCs and they have no agreements with MS about not doing so.

With an agreement in place with Nintendo, it would never happen.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Wii Madden advertising ideas-and others
« on: May 01, 2006, 10:20:11 AM »
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Originally posted by: vudu
Here's how EA will advertise the game:

Show a bunch of real football player playing the game for 15 seconds.  Show some gameplay movies from the PS3 or Xbox 360 version.  Show the Madden logo and at the bottom of the screen show the PS3, Xbox 360 and Wii logos.


Normally, I'd agree, but Nintendo would likely have them do something with the FHC to emphasize it as a feature.

If that means that Madden would get coverage from Nintendo's ads, so be it.

I'm insanely glad to see Madden offering FHC features in gameplay. Sports are basically what determine a large portion of the older audience and having the best sports experiences would go a LONG way toward reestablishing Nintendo in NA.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Nintendo should partner with Apple
« on: May 01, 2006, 10:14:35 AM »
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Originally posted by: Rhoq Will the Wii be able able to read HFS+ formatted hard drives?


Excellent question.

My guess would be yes, and the reason why is because, regardless of whether or not Nintendo and Apple partner, Nintendo mentioned that the Wii will be able to use the vast majority of USB storage devices out there and I'm almost positive that the iPod must have been considered in any format.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!
« on: May 01, 2006, 10:10:01 AM »
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Originally posted by: Kairon In fact, I'm inspired by Nintendo. A willingness to take risks, a courage to challenge conventions, and the uncertainty of a blue ocean market that may or may not receptive to your efforts.

Finally Nintendo is playing anything other than catch-up to its competitors. Finally Nintendo is going to have something better to say than "The PS3 has Jak and Daxter...but uh...we've got Mario!" Finally Nintendo is calling out "Liberty or Death!" and defending their principles, not just for them but for everyone who agrees with that indomitable belief in innate human creative capability.

Nintendo is taking a stand, and so am I. I don't pretend to know how the future will turn out, but I do know this: Nintendo leads me to that precipice of unknown possibilities, and I cannot think of anywhere else I'd rather be headed.


I see them trying to spin their console into something which it's going to take the non-gamer a LOT of convincing to buy.

A weird name which can be dismissed without a second thought by your average non-gamer isn't anything to be excited about. The FHC, yes. The download service, yes, but a marketing gimm!ck name which plays heavily upon puns? That's not exactly challenging conventions. It's more along the lines of pretentious marketing jargon which will likely turn more people off than on.

The name "Wii" may or may not say, "Maybe I should learn more." to people. How many spam messages with off the wall weird names have you deleted from your email today alone? When I see strange advertising, the first thing I think is, "Apparently, it can't sell itself without resorting to bizarre noveau-marketing tactics."

It's the same as throwing paid models into advertisements: if the product isn't good enough to sell on its own, they'll sell it with sex.

Again, I think a straight forward name was the way to go here.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Nintendo should partner with Apple
« on: May 01, 2006, 09:59:34 AM »
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
I was more thinking of an iTunes compatible service. We all know Nintendo like to go proprietary with its software and hardware.


I think a Wii version of iTunes would be necessary, but since it's software, the difficulty in doing so would be nil.

The way I see it, the Wii using iPods and the iPods using the Wii sweetens the deal for people who own one to own both and that's the end goal.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Nintendo should partner with Apple
« on: May 01, 2006, 09:40:30 AM »
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
What about those of us who want freshly baked fudge brownies?


The Wiisy Bake Oven plugs right into the USB port.

(lightbulb not included)

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Nintendo should partner with Apple
« on: May 01, 2006, 09:37:23 AM »
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Originally posted by: Pale My point is, I don't think Nintendo should make partnerships that could limit them in which services they could allow.  What's to say Apple wouldn't say that only iPod's could be used as an HDD?  What then?


That's not how Apple rolls. Trust me.

Apple's marketing approach is to let you download songs on to the Wii, then the decision to buy an iPod to carry them around follows logically. They always do that: make it good and workable but make the fact that it could be even better with another purchase plain and apparent.

Nintendo's angle is that iPod owners already have the best memory card/storage medium imaginable for the Wii.

I just can't see how making your product cross-compatible with another product which has over 20 million units sold is a bad idea.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Nintendo should partner with Apple
« on: May 01, 2006, 09:33:41 AM »
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
But what if you use your iPod as your portable HDD to store all your VC games, game saves & demo/videos on? Then would you want to hook up you iPod to your Wii?

WiiPod = games, music, and videos on demand. Sounds like a wiin wiin situation to me.


I'll add that to the list.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Nintendo should partner with Apple
« on: May 01, 2006, 09:30:20 AM »
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Originally posted by: Pale I don't want to plug an iPod into the Wii, I want to play games on it.


You don't have to, but implementing the ability to do so would be immensely easy since the USB port is already present on the console.

If Nintendo is going to have online downloads, then they've already left the "just games" section and opened the door for more than that.

Sony and MS both plan to have support for mp3 downloads. Nintendo could easily trump both of them by giving their console owners access to the most popular online music store in the world.

And let me put it this way: the Wii could probably sell more as an iPod accessory than it could as a gaming console, and that's not to sell its features short, but there are over 25,000,000 iPods sold. Getting any number of iPod users to consider it would be a huge benefit for Nintendo.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Revolution no more-Nintendo Wii
« on: May 01, 2006, 09:16:27 AM »
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Originally posted by: Kairon
If little children can easily look past "Pooh" bear's alternate meanings at the very moment of inception, why are you incapable of it? If "Pooh" bear is beloved by all, kids, adults, college buddies with fond memories, how exactly is that a bad thing?


We just explained it: Pooh has had 20+ years for people to get over the name and become accepted, and guess what? Pooh is STILL a children's character.

Nintendo doesn't have that kind of time and they could stand to curry some favor with the older gaming market, considering that they're the ones who are buying the most games.

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Nintendo Gaming / Nintendo should partner with Apple
« on: May 01, 2006, 09:04:13 AM »
Here's why:

1. It took 2-3 years and several revisions for the iPod to become the trendy juggernaut of the MP3 player market, but even the iPod was just a replacement for walkmans and discmans. Thus, it had a preexisting market gap to fill.

2. Nintendo has set themselves up to undertake a task in marketing which could very well be impossible: sell a console (which cannot be "revised" like the iPod was) with a weird name to people who never thought to buy a console ever before. Nintendo is trying to push into a market which doesn't even know Nintendo ever intended to offer them a product in the first place.

3. The iPod is HUGE in Japan. Apple in general is huge in Japan, in fact.

4. The Wii's online store could include iTunes and, thanks to the USB 2.0 connectors on the Wii, could easily connect to all manners of iPod.

5. Apple has established the market mindset which Nintendo is already seeking. Rather than try to do this all by their lonesome, Nintendo would have a MUCH easier time selling Wii's to existing iPod owners. In fact, pushing the Wii as an iPod accessory alone would work to Nintendo's benefit.

6. They have common enemies: Sony (MP3 players) and Microsoft (software).

7. The iPod double's as the Wii's storage medium, making it the ultimate memory card. Even the cheaper iPods offer 5-10GBs of storage space which you can take to friend's houses and such. Plus, no need to buy any other memory card for iPod owners.

They're almost the same market: the crowd that Apple sold the easy and convenient MP3 player to would be the same crowd Nintendo seeks to sell the console for the non-gamer. If the iPod helps establish the Wii up as a trend, then that $100 million Nintendo doesn't need to spend on advertising.

I think it'd be the smartest move they could make. They're already trying hard to emulate Apple. Why not step it up and enter into a mutually beneficial agreement with them?  

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Email Nintendo and tell them you HATE the name!
« on: May 01, 2006, 08:50:53 AM »
What can I say? I don't share your optimism on the subject, I'm afraid.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Revolution no more-Nintendo Wii
« on: May 01, 2006, 08:45:39 AM »
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Originally posted by: Ceric
Winnie the Pooh has had Generations to live down its Stigma.  In fact it might have something to do with the origin of the world.  I'm sure once thw Wii gets as old as Winnie the Pooh it will just be a note in eclectic history.


That's the other thing: even the iPod didn't take off until 2-3 years after its creation and several revisions to make it better.

Nintendo has basically strapped themselves with the most difficult task ever concocted in marketing history: take a non-revisable console with a flaccid, laughable name and sell it to people who have never bought a console it in the past and likely don't want one.

Even Apple, with their billion dollar ad campaigns and "hip and trendy" marketing couldn't get the iPod to that status in fewer than 2 years, and now Nintendo basically needs to do it in 1 year (assuming that most will have already made their console decisions by then).

Unless Nintendo has hired the biggest marketing firm in the world, then I can't see this ending well...

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: uh-oh: Nintendo reconsidering Wii?
« on: May 01, 2006, 08:22:36 AM »
I like "Us" more and more.

"We're the gamers, and it's all about Us."

"If we want Revolution in gaming, it's up to Us."

Plus, everyone already knows how to pronounce it.

I just hope they drop a colossal ad bomb on the US and other english speaking territories. The way I see it, Nintendo is trying to change what people think of when they hear "wee" to be the name of their console. That's gonna take a huge campaign, but I think it's doable.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: uh-oh: Nintendo reconsidering Wii?
« on: May 01, 2006, 08:13:44 AM »
It's about "Us" would work.

Plus, it'd be effectively named after the US, making it the "Patriotic Console".

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NWR Forums Discord / RE: Someone did us all a favor...
« on: May 01, 2006, 08:11:45 AM »
We can use this when Nintendo starts THEIR bitching, to the tune of "Wii didn't sell many consoles in the US..." "Why did wii get dropped from Best Buy?" "Why don't wii get any shelf space at gamestop?"

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NWR Forums Discord / RE:Wii can art!
« on: May 01, 2006, 08:07:21 AM »

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NWR Forums Discord / RE: Change the title of the person above you!
« on: May 01, 2006, 08:03:24 AM »
Vatch out for teh Viley Viizels!

(sorry, but an acceptable place to use that quote is too good to pass up)

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Complexity...(still not enough buttons?)
« on: May 01, 2006, 08:00:51 AM »
I was never concerned about buttons, especially with the shell likely being included with the controller.

Furthermore, buttons are being replaced with motion, like in Madden, where you throw a football with motion instead of a button, and that IS more intuitive (and an excellent argument for the wrist strap for the controller...).

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Revolution no more-Nintendo Wii
« on: May 01, 2006, 07:54:07 AM »
Umm, Winnie the Pooh is a children's cartoon character.

Nintendo needs to shake the image that it's hardware and software are designed for children, not personify it.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: uh-oh: Nintendo reconsidering Wii?
« on: May 01, 2006, 07:51:25 AM »
I agree that it's a daring gamble, I just don't know if it's the right kind of gamble.

An example of the right kind of gamble is the new controller because it opens up many possibilities.

Maybe if they played the angle of "It's so badass, it can have a wimpy name." then it'll garner respect for it, but that would take a TREMENDOUS amount of advertising.

Basically, it can happen, but they need to roll out a hundred million dollar ad campaign (if the DS made $800 million last year, then they should be able to do it).

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