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TalkBack / RE: Revolution

« on: December 09, 2005, 07:19:34 AM »

Ian, the market starts over every generation.  By default, Xbox360 is the next gen market leader right now.  In fact according to reports, the Sony is making it pretty uncomfortable for developers with regards to the PS3.  Most PS3 news lately has talked about how developers are dropping it for the Xbox360.  Add to that factors such as Sony will mostly likely be forced to sell it higher than the core Xbox360 due to its BluRay player, and already we are gearing up for a shift in power in the so called 'console wars'.  Add to that the investment required for 3rd parties to compete with monster 3rd parties like EA who will be sinking tens of millions in their PS3 and Xbox360 games.  To assume that Nintendo can't force a shift when the the alternative to the Revolution's familiar hardware is Sony's complex cell and the Xbox360's multiprocessor is being delusional.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: 2-3 Times as powerful as GC true, sez IGN

« on: December 08, 2005, 05:30:02 PM »

Good job showing it to MTV.  Sadly they have a lot of clout and influence a lot of people.  They practically made the iPod what it is, I'm sure they were given kickbacks from the recording industry.  
On a somewhat related not, the segments of their video game month that I saw while flipping shocked and dismayed me.
"Resident Evil 4 just dropped for the Playstation 2.  This is brand new Resident Evil.  What do you think DJ 15-minutes of fame?"
"I don't know.  I didn't like all that."
"Well definitely check out RE4 and buy a PSP.  It is going to be hot."

[Ian Sane]

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:If everybody buys rev asa second console

« on: December 08, 2005, 01:15:57 PM »

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"One thing you have to give Nintendo credit for is applying their dominance in the handheld world to the console realm."

How have they done this?  Well Pokemon started off as a Gameboy game and they managed to get some big console hits out of that franchise (though they could have probably won the console war this gen if they had released a GOOD Pokemon RPG on the Cube).  Other than that I can't think of anything.  Connectivity was a total bomb and the way it was used it was like they were trying to sell GBAs to Cube owners when the other way around is what would have made more sense.  They even killed the system selling potential of the GB Player by releasing the SP first.  Had they switched that around then the GB Player would have been the solution to GBA's poor visibility.  Instead the SP was the solution and the GB Player was just a novelty for those who already owned Cubes.

I think there's tons of wasted potential for using their portable success to help out their consoles.

...i guess you misunderstood.  They are taking what works for them in the handheld market and seeking to apply it in the console market.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:If everybody buys rev asa second console

« on: December 08, 2005, 12:51:36 PM »

I was under the impression that Iwata said something to effect of, if you want to buy an Xbox O or PS3, you could still buy a Revolution.  The notion of a secondary console is a testament to how the Revolution is not direct competition.  And while this generation being a second console would be completely unreasonable, next gen Nintendo could position themself to win using this stategy.
I traditionally am not into nongames, but I would be happy to reap the rewards of a console that has the highest market penetration.  One thing you have to give Nintendo credit for is applying their dominance in the handheld world to the console realm.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: If everybody buys rev asa second console

« on: December 08, 2005, 09:06:26 AM »

Seriously, what did happen?  Is someone sharing the account?

[Ian Sane]

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TalkBack / RE:Revolution

« on: December 08, 2005, 09:00:09 AM »

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"Nintendo seems plenty trusting in their new controller... what are you talking about?"

They have a shell available to play traditional games.  If they were confident that this remote design they wouldn't bother with one because there's no need.  A real standard should be able to adapt to all previous games that used the standard controllers of the past.  You said that the problem with the shell is that if Nintendo pushes it too hard then people are going to assume they don't trust it.  I'm going a step further and saying that they very fact that they even made one shows they don't trust it.

Or I guess it's possible that NCL trusts it (actually that's very likely) but some third parties and likely some NOA execs don't and thus they came up with the shell to please them.  But even then, the very fact that they have to make a shell to appease these people should be a big alarm going off in NCL's heads.

Ian, my man, what are we going to do with you?  Why don't you dig out that analog stick vs. digital pad argument/defense you have saved in Microsoft Word somewhere and apply it to the new controller.  For somebody who always talks about Nintendo not being an 'AND' company, the shell (if it is packed in) is the perfect solution.

WindyMan, when is later?

[BigJim]

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:2-3 Times as powerful as GC true, sez IGN

« on: December 07, 2005, 08:12:39 AM »

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Originally posted by: BigJim
Since adults make up a huge part of the gaming audience now, to be ignored by them or to ignore them at this point is stupid and deadly. This cheap price won't help the perception, so it's up to content to make the difference. Token games that demonstrate the controller won't be enough. They need to make a Halo-sized impact to even begin to prove Nintendo can hang with adults too.

This is a huge uphill battle, and Nintendo hasn't yet proven their interest in changing that perception. Make MP3 or some new IP the new Halo of first person gaming, then maybe there’s a chance that more mature-style developers will take notice and climb aboard. Until then, their own reputation remains a handicap.

Nintendo's image has definitely worsened with regards to adults but if you remember, the N64 had no problem hanging with adults in the beginning.  Everybody was playing GoldenEye.  It wasn't until later when the N64 had a stream of entirely in house developed games that the 'mature' audience left.  'Mature' audiences are not hard to capture.  A killer launch FPS is all you need and these people will flock.  The potential is there and I'm really hoping Nintendo is doing something exclusive with Free Radical or that Game Zero might make an appearance.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: 2-3 Times as powerful as GC true, sez IGN

« on: December 07, 2005, 05:55:50 AM »

It worked for me (yesterday).  It is just Spaceworld 2000 Metroid.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Amazing Deals for DS & GBA

« on: December 07, 2005, 03:06:53 AM »

Damn, I just bought it used for 19.99.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: 2-3 Times as powerful as GC true, sez IGN

« on: December 06, 2005, 04:46:29 PM »

That would bring the price to 120 - 170.  Not as sweet.
EDIT:  Seriously though if the GCN had 40 MB of ram,  what is the problem if the Rev falls at 104 vs. 128?  

[IceCold]

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:2-3 Times as powerful as GC true, sez IGN

« on: December 06, 2005, 04:40:17 PM »

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Originally posted by: IceCold

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Originally posted by: odifiend
The thing about ports is the n64 and gamecube stopped getting them, so 'no ports' really isn't a brand new phenomenon.  N-Fans are elitist and generally won't buy ports so what is the point.  Companies like EA will forever port their stuff over though, and since they are like Nintendo's main 3rd party supplier, support will be about the same.

No. I don't agree at all. The single most important reason that Nintendo lost the 64 and Cube era was 3rd party support. Nintendo should be trying as hard as they possibly can (and they really have been lately) to get support on their system - exclusive or multiplatform. The last thing I want is to keep seeing games exclusive for only PS3 and Xbox 360.

If you want Nintendo's strategy to JUST be the non-gamers, then that's the way to go - just having first party games and EA support, without other multiplatform ports. But Nintendo wants to keep existing gamers - your way would just be effectively abandoning them altogether.

My way?  Please, I was talking about ports only.  Ports are likely a very expensive proposition right now.  And on a Nintendo console, they likely won't sell especially if Nintendo is planning to be a second console.  Nintendo, while they have been trying to get support lately, has forced a decision on developers to pretty much develop exclusives which is good because that is what they're hardcore fanbase buys and it will also ensure that their console is offering something fresh.
Besides Cold, if any target market takes off whether that is non-gamers or gamers, developers will flock ensuring future support.

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TalkBack / RE: Three Times A Portable Game

« on: December 06, 2005, 03:58:26 PM »

well that is out Nintendo developed games.  3rd parties might fill the gap.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: 2-3 Times as powerful as GC true, sez IGN

« on: December 06, 2005, 03:46:45 PM »

Technically the GCN is 50 dollars right now since it is packaged in with Mario Party 73 or Poke-crap XD.  Also I guess you could assume that materials get cheaper or Nintendo is willing to take a loss to increase penetration.  

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:2-3 Times as powerful as GC true, sez IGN

« on: December 06, 2005, 03:41:59 PM »

The thing about ports is the n64 and gamecube stopped getting them, so 'no ports' really isn't a brand new phenomenon.  N-Fans are elitist and generally won't buy ports so what is the point.  Companies like EA will forever port their stuff over though, and since they are like Nintendo's main 3rd party supplier, support will be about the same.

[mantidor]

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:2-3 Times as powerful as GC true, sez IGN

« on: December 06, 2005, 03:27:41 PM »

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Originally posted by: mantidor
I dont see Nintendo pricing the console at less than $200. At the same price that the DS? it doesnt make sense at all.

Why not?  The GBA at a 100 dollars has sold millions of units.  When you get in that price range shopaholics like myself will just buy crap...

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Originally posted by: Kairon

Finally, IGN's sources seem to think a $149 launch price, or lower. That'd make the Rev out of the gates in impulse buy territory... awesome. My impulses are snapping already.

Ditto, my man...  My spending hand is twitching.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: 2-3 Times as powerful as GC true, sez IGN

« on: December 06, 2005, 10:53:52 AM »

Ian, are you serious?  You'd be the first one to be pissed off that they lied about the numbers.  I know I'd be pretty angry too.  I don't like companies lying outright to me.

[KDR_11k]

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Official DS Sales Thread

« on: December 06, 2005, 08:40:28 AM »

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Perhaps the DS is more popular with parents and casuals who are more likely to shop at Walmart than Gamestop?

PSP is more popular in EB Games/Gamestop whereas Walmart has a partnership with Nintendo.  I was in EB games today, and in the span of 20 minutes they sold 3 PSPs all to moms.  Afterwards, I was walking through Sears and another mom asked about the PSP.  Advertising for the PSP has been more of presence lately as well.  ruby might be right - 360 shortage might be helping the PSP.

[Ian Sane]

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:2-3 Times as powerful as GC true, sez IGN

« on: December 06, 2005, 08:27:48 AM »

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane

I think this shows a huge flaw in Nintendo's plans.  Okay Rev games are cheaper to make.  That's great.  BUT that only really applies if the game is exclusive.  The Rev doesn't fit into multiplatform plans.  You can't port to it or from it easily.  So now third parties have to choose between making a game for one platform or paying a little bit more to make a game for three platforms.  And who is going to make an exclusive game for a Nintendo console?  That's the last place console.  That's the biggest risk.  The other platforms are all safer bets and you can make one game for ALL of them.  Nintendo's strategy of offering lower development costs is good in theory if they were allowing you to make basically the same games for a lower price.  But they made it an "either or" situation and nine times out of ten third parties are going to pick PS3/X360/PC.

A little more?  Some of the budgets on today's video games are in excess of 8 million dollars - and rising.  I think you are downplaying that fiscal decision.  It very well might be cheaper to develop for the Revolution, reportedly more similar to current gen's technology - technology about which developers already have a working knowledge, than to sink thousands just to understand how to even push a PS3 or Xbox360 and then millions on a game just to have it flop.  PS3 support is constantly being dropped on the pretext of it being much harder to develop for than the Xbox360.
Who is going to develop an exclusive game for a Nintendo console?  Surely you jest.  Nintendo doesn't make FPSes, but it is the most obviously ready-to-flourish genre on the Revolution.  The third party that swoops in and makes an FPS that is good enough could make the next Halo or GoldenEye.
EDIT: crippling grammar  

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: 2-3 Times as powerful as GC true, sez IGN

« on: December 06, 2005, 05:09:02 AM »

Dude, Matt frigging prefaced the article with statements like bear in mind developers pretty much have GCN dev kits and Hollywood's details haven't been fully disclosed.  In spite of not knowing everything to know about the Revolution, he is reporting what he has been told - journalists do that too.  People like to be kept up to the minute...
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pudu, meh to your theory.  I can't see Matt making this up.  Nintendo has been saying crap that has pointed to this all along.  Matt likes tech and often sides with it but generally pretty impartially - you can't deny that the PSP is technically better than the DS or the Xbox360 looks good in HD.  I like it that he is not a raving fan boy.  I'm reminded of a letter where somebody wrote in saying something to the effect of DS is destroying PSP in sales and the letter's author expected Matt to go cry in the corner for saying that he liked the PSP and its launch line up.  Matt was like the DS has games now and most PSP releases are movies, not the desired effect of the letter.  I can't believe how ridiculous Nintendo fans can be when somebody shows appreciation to Nintendo's competitors.

[wandering]

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:2-3 Times as powerful as GC true, sez IGN

« on: December 06, 2005, 03:35:57 AM »

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Originally posted by: wandering
Well, I'm farily annoyed at ign. We still don't really know how powerful the rev will be....and they've essentially decided to set the tone of the debate by giving the world the impression that the rev will officially be disapointing power-wise, even though they're creating that impression with incomplete, and non-final, information.

This isn't a problem if you actually read the article...

I personally don't see how this report and the information it contains are a problem.  We still have no numbers with the exception of a ballpark for RAM.  Even if worse scenario, Nintendo were to repackage a Gamecube with the functionality of the controller, the new modes of play have the potential to be worth the price of admission.  The Gamecube is pretty capable - I've never been playing a game where a developer fully took advantage of its capabilities and been underwhelmed or disappointed.  The Revolution will be more capable than the GCN.  What is the problem?
P.S. I would be interested to know what developer made the comment about the souped up Xbox, since the logical inclination would be compare it to the Gamecube.  Xbox is able to do HD as well, so again it'll be fine.

[couchmonkey]

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:2-3 Times as powerful as GC true, sez IGN

« on: December 05, 2005, 06:18:50 PM »

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Originally posted by: couchmonkey

Edit: IGN is also reported that devs are being told that a Thanksgiving weekend launch is likely.  If true, I find that very disappointing.  Nintendo really doesn't seem to care about competing at all; while that may not matter if the company is able to market this system as a product for a different market but it may seal the Revolution's fate if the system doesn't catch on outside of the hardcore market.

couch, you have to remember the way most people's money works.  Assuming the Revolution could launch in the summer, many people are on or will go on vacation so that is money they can't spend on a console.  Fall brings about school meaning back to school supplies (shoes and new wardrobes for kids & tuition and books for colleges kids).  November is about the time when most people can recoup from those previous expenses, just in time to drop some dough for Christmas.  Novemeber is the sweetest spot for anyone to launch.

"Asked if it was developing for Revolution, one major third party source said that it was well past the experimental stage and was evaluating what types of games might work on the platform. "We are looking at it quite differently. It's like another current generation platform for us. But it's such a nice controller that it opens up a lot of possibilities. It's very different and it's very precise."

I don't know why but this quote kind of excites me.  The Revolution is similar enough to current gen that developers can just jump right in and seemingly the only that is holding them back would be interesting concepts.

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General Gaming / RE: Nice impressions of PDZ

« on: December 05, 2005, 11:21:28 AM »

The first PD did have a lot of stealth elements.  Enemies could hear unsilenced shots, they'd radio and alarm, etc... I remember taking a lot of those levels very slow.  Unless by stealth elements you are only talking about the 3rd person view.
TS2 & 3 can be had for cheap.  I thought I saw Future Perfect for 10 dollars somewhere.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Another Controller Secret to be Revealed

« on: December 02, 2005, 03:40:22 PM »

cubist, that's what I was thinking too, when somebody mentioned the DS.  How big that is though is the question.  I suppose you wouldn't have to buy a DS but I can't really imagine Nintendo giving that functionality away either.  However this dual DS functionality would support whoever was saying a mic on the controller.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Nintendo Planning Zelda Movie?

« on: December 02, 2005, 10:41:15 AM »

More like all cast members should be computer made polygons...
Little boys can't act - Little 'Ani' still haunts me.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Official DS Sales Thread

« on: December 01, 2005, 04:21:14 PM »

Ah, my bad.  Yeah I thought that was NPD.