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Originally posted by: mouse_clicker
Tell me, joe- say you just read Lord of the Rings and you liked it. Who would you praise? J. R. R. Tolkien or Ballentine Books? Say you listened to Porcelain and really liked it. Who would you praise? Sparta or Geffen Records? Say you watched Lawrence of Arabia and loved it. Who would you praise? David Lean or Columbia Pictures? So when you play Burnout 3 and like it, why should you be praising EA instead of Criterion? Criterion is responsible for making the game good, not EA- EA just gives them money and distributes it. It's not all about funding or team size, joe. Some of the best movies I've ever seen were funded by one man and made with his group of friends- case in point Clerks (which Kevin Smith paid for himself with credit cards and by selling his comic book collection). And some of the best games I've ever played were made by a single person working in his free time- case in point Eternal Daughter (download it if you haven't- it's on the same level as Super Metroid). If the developer has the willpower, the game will be good no matter what restrictions. And if a game was meant to be bad, no amount of money is going to change that.
I would praise both the creator and the publisher for bringing me the entertainment. Without the publisher like the Perm said, we would probably have never heard or got to enjoy the Lord of the Rings. If the idea of a publisher never started in the world, things would be alot worse. You would not be enjoying countless amounts of entertainment and things you need to live with (the success of publishing works pushed other industries to follow the same model). I'm not praising EA instead of Criterion, my quote, "and tons of people here on this forum are salivating over Burnout 3 and Timesplitters 3" was meant to say why are people bashing EA so much when EA is publishing games they want so very much. Ofcourse Criterion deserves the most praise in this case because they're the creators of the series, and it had been published priorly by someone else. If the topic was who deserves the most praise for Burnout 3, I would have alot more varied things to say, but it's not.
As far as team size and funding... they do help. Sure you've seen Clerks and played Eternal Daughter that were made chiefly by single people, but those are rare cases. There are far more cases where 1 person developed forms of entertainment were just plain horrible. How many more great movies can you list that were made by 1 person, or games. Some of the earliest games were made by a handful of people, but look what team size and funding has done for games. If there wasn't increased team size and funding games wouldn't have progressed as far as they have. You wouldn't have played many, if any, Shigeru Miyamato games, if he tried to make every part of the game by himself and without a publisher. Your second to last quote I find fault with, "If the developer has the willpower, the game will be good no matter what restrictions." This is simply untrue. There are so many scenarios of different restrictions you could come up with that would result in the game being bad despite the developer having the most willpower he could ever have. Remember ET on the Atari 2600? Howard Scott Warshaw certainly had great willpower, and had made the classic Yar's Revenge. His restrictions were pretty large, and there have equally difficult restrictions in the industry for some developers since. Not to mention all the smaller restrictions on developers that resulted in bad games.
Bloodworth I admit I was tough in saying Burnout 1 & 2 didn't compare to other games on the market. But I'm saying it in the context of how Burnout 3 is being compared to other games on the market. I'm not saying in terms of quality of the racing games. But rather how reviewers see them. Burnout 1 & 2 were not the talk of the press when they were previewed at E3 or even after they released compared to games (of all genres on the market released before and the same year as those). But Burnout 3 has been seen by most to be one of the top 10 games (of all genres) at E3, and the best driving game at E3. That's a huge jump.
Personally though, I'm not partial to Burnout 3 based on what people have said, I've always been a fan of the series, I rented the first game (I rent about 2 games per year) and I own Burnout 2.