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NWR Forums Discord / Re: Off-Topic Wise-Ass Comments About Other NWR Forum Threads And Also Other Stuff
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I will sign up just to make sure he is only wiping his ass with those kittens and nothing else.
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Movies & TV / Re: Rate the last movie you've seen
« on: January 26, 2015, 03:45:04 AM »
Bitches Leave.
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NWR Forums Discord / Re: Off-Topic Wise-Ass Comments About Other NWR Forum Threads And Also Other Stuff
« on: January 25, 2015, 06:08:14 AM »
You're good with computers.
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Movies & TV / Re: Rate the last TV show you've seen
« on: January 24, 2015, 07:15:36 AM »
Finally caught up to the latest episodes of POI and it is wonderful. This show is really, really good and I would universally recommend it to everyone.
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Movies & TV / Re: Rate the last TV show you've seen
« on: January 21, 2015, 07:11:33 PM »
I know that JJ company just funds, its why I made a note of it. POI looks at what JJ has done and says, **** that, we can do far better.
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Movies & TV / Re: Rate the last TV show you've seen
« on: January 21, 2015, 09:08:11 AM »
Just when you think you have figured out Person of Interest it throws you another curve ball. They really don't make shows like this with so much moral ambiguity. Multi-dimensional, multi-faceted characters who you hate yet have redeeming elements or love in spite of the numerous flaws that should make them a villain. It is a amazingly coherent show even with all its complexity and moving parts. While mysteries are abound, there are just as many answers.
Not only is this show the anti-JJ, it raises the bar for everyone else. I am not sure if POI has ever had a bad episode which should be impossible. May the impossible continue.
Not only is this show the anti-JJ, it raises the bar for everyone else. I am not sure if POI has ever had a bad episode which should be impossible. May the impossible continue.
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Movies & TV / Re: Rate the last movie you've seen
« on: January 20, 2015, 06:19:00 PM »
You're looking into it too much. But if you must, Wick's motivation is some punks remove his last shred of humanity and he has the skills to do something about it? Sure I would go on a revenge rampage against the Russian mob. The simple plot lets you focus on the action. There is no side romance side plot, just Wick and his cold efficiency.
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Movies & TV / Re: Rate the last movie you've seen
« on: January 20, 2015, 09:24:36 AM »
I little something about John Wick
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Movies & TV / Re: Rate the last movie you've seen
« on: January 17, 2015, 01:25:33 AM »
John Wick
I really like how all the action is framed and shot. It doesn't try to melt your face off with shaking, speed up or stupid quick cuts. Comparatively low key, no exploding cars, a simple plot that boarders on excuse plot that opens up to some dark comedy.
John never really truly got out in his own mind. He still practices driving at airport regularly. He is still "friends" with the local cops. He still remembers the cleaners number. I don't think morality has much of a place in this movie, its more about professionalism and civility. The professionalism really comes through with just how lethally clean it is with the constant headshot finishers and the lack of collateral damage.
I agree with you though, the Hotel is great and it is a reflection of the great writing tone wise.
The only thing that is just straight up wrong was them showing the ending in the opening. It really killed the tension. The correct way to do something like that was to copy hat Richard Donner did in 13 Blocks where he fakes you out by showing you what you think the ending is.
For an action aficionado it would rate it a 8/10 just because how well shot action is just so rare these days. If you're not an action fan then there isn't much for you. There is no deeper meaning here, no moral question to be answered, just lots of people getting killed.
Taken 3
Better than 2 which was just embarrassing. Got some alright action and some good quips with that trademarked gravitas. Plot far too complex for its own good but good opening setup. Liam Nesson kills people and has a funny old man jog. Poisons own daughter Nesson is also a bit of a lair.
6/10
I really like how all the action is framed and shot. It doesn't try to melt your face off with shaking, speed up or stupid quick cuts. Comparatively low key, no exploding cars, a simple plot that boarders on excuse plot that opens up to some dark comedy.
John never really truly got out in his own mind. He still practices driving at airport regularly. He is still "friends" with the local cops. He still remembers the cleaners number. I don't think morality has much of a place in this movie, its more about professionalism and civility. The professionalism really comes through with just how lethally clean it is with the constant headshot finishers and the lack of collateral damage.
I agree with you though, the Hotel is great and it is a reflection of the great writing tone wise.
The only thing that is just straight up wrong was them showing the ending in the opening. It really killed the tension. The correct way to do something like that was to copy hat Richard Donner did in 13 Blocks where he fakes you out by showing you what you think the ending is.
For an action aficionado it would rate it a 8/10 just because how well shot action is just so rare these days. If you're not an action fan then there isn't much for you. There is no deeper meaning here, no moral question to be answered, just lots of people getting killed.
Taken 3
Better than 2 which was just embarrassing. Got some alright action and some good quips with that trademarked gravitas. Plot far too complex for its own good but good opening setup. Liam Nesson kills people and has a funny old man jog. Poisons own daughter Nesson is also a bit of a lair.
6/10
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Movies & TV / Re: Star Wars Funhouse, A wretched hive of vum and scilliany.
« on: January 16, 2015, 04:46:59 PM »I changed my mind. I am still hyped for this new movie, I still like the previous films so that is all I will say on it anymore.You want this, don't you? The hate is swelling in you now. Take your
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NWR Forums Discord / Re: Off-Topic Wise-Ass Comments About Other NWR Forum Threads And Also Other Stuff
« on: January 15, 2015, 09:46:47 PM »
Funhouse is Funhaus.
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Movies & TV / Re: Star Wars Funhouse, A wretched hive of vum and scilliany.
« on: January 15, 2015, 09:34:07 PM »
I think we are using two different languages. When A character has flaws or is flawed, it means the character has something that is detrimental to the character and is maybe something for them to overcome. The character in the OT has flaws like any good character should have.
When one talks about bad characters they talk about dimensions. Ever heard people describing a character as a cardboard cut out? It because they don't have any depth to them. Well written characters can be described by their audience by their personality traits good and bad. this is improved with good acting.
Han Solo is a cock sure guy who is has a mercenary streak who gets into trouble who evolves into someone who remains confident but now works for the betterment of others. Luke goes from a naive child dreaming of fun and glory of war to a man who has seen the curtain lifted before him. Liea is defiant regardless the situation and she breaks the stereotype of being the damsel in distress. The dialogue is awkward at times, but this doesn't affect the depth of the characters. If the characters actions aren't consistent with who they are then you have a problem.
Compare this with the PT, the character don't have any real personality, they have jobs, but a job isn't a person. Jedis are suppose to be against injustice but do jack **** about it even when it is right in front of them. They keep telling me that Jango Fett is some badass Jedi killer but we never see him do this so not only does he have no personality, he is **** at his job. If you want broken awkward dialogue look no further than Sand and I killed them all.
Even if you consider the OT as nothing but spectacle, it is better than PT because it is internally consistent and this reason alone makes it better. We could touch on the other reasons, but it would be redundant. In ANH they establish that Luke is a good pilot with the Womp rats. Anakin on the other hand doesn't have this established for him in a chronological order made worse when he is flying as a kid and lucks out multiple times without any setup. We don't see him fly again until ROTS opening and he is so reckless he gets people killed for no reason. Atleast Luke had the then mysterious Force going for him and the now dead Kenobi as a mentor to him along with the rest of Red Squardon.
Beyond that compare the Battle of Hoth to Geneosis. BOH had a proper scenario constructed. Why didn't the Empire blast it from orbit? Energy shield, Ozzel dies for it. So they make landings and have a clear defined goal to bring down the generator. The Rebels know this and their goal is to escape. The have the plan and equipment to do this which gives you this great moment where they announce that the first transport is away and everyone cheers.
Clones doesn't have this, there Yoda is a psychopath who completely disregards countless lives to kill the other guys I guess? There is no objective, just unfeeling slaughter. It didn't make tactical sense either if the goal was to kill the other side. The whole battle is illogical in the universe it is in. Its bad spectacle.
When one talks about bad characters they talk about dimensions. Ever heard people describing a character as a cardboard cut out? It because they don't have any depth to them. Well written characters can be described by their audience by their personality traits good and bad. this is improved with good acting.
Han Solo is a cock sure guy who is has a mercenary streak who gets into trouble who evolves into someone who remains confident but now works for the betterment of others. Luke goes from a naive child dreaming of fun and glory of war to a man who has seen the curtain lifted before him. Liea is defiant regardless the situation and she breaks the stereotype of being the damsel in distress. The dialogue is awkward at times, but this doesn't affect the depth of the characters. If the characters actions aren't consistent with who they are then you have a problem.
Compare this with the PT, the character don't have any real personality, they have jobs, but a job isn't a person. Jedis are suppose to be against injustice but do jack **** about it even when it is right in front of them. They keep telling me that Jango Fett is some badass Jedi killer but we never see him do this so not only does he have no personality, he is **** at his job. If you want broken awkward dialogue look no further than Sand and I killed them all.
Even if you consider the OT as nothing but spectacle, it is better than PT because it is internally consistent and this reason alone makes it better. We could touch on the other reasons, but it would be redundant. In ANH they establish that Luke is a good pilot with the Womp rats. Anakin on the other hand doesn't have this established for him in a chronological order made worse when he is flying as a kid and lucks out multiple times without any setup. We don't see him fly again until ROTS opening and he is so reckless he gets people killed for no reason. Atleast Luke had the then mysterious Force going for him and the now dead Kenobi as a mentor to him along with the rest of Red Squardon.
Beyond that compare the Battle of Hoth to Geneosis. BOH had a proper scenario constructed. Why didn't the Empire blast it from orbit? Energy shield, Ozzel dies for it. So they make landings and have a clear defined goal to bring down the generator. The Rebels know this and their goal is to escape. The have the plan and equipment to do this which gives you this great moment where they announce that the first transport is away and everyone cheers.
Clones doesn't have this, there Yoda is a psychopath who completely disregards countless lives to kill the other guys I guess? There is no objective, just unfeeling slaughter. It didn't make tactical sense either if the goal was to kill the other side. The whole battle is illogical in the universe it is in. Its bad spectacle.
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Movies & TV / Re: Star Wars Funhouse, A wretched hive of vum and scilliany.
« on: January 15, 2015, 04:48:07 PM »
Movies are one of the few places where the the engineering problem of 3 options pick 2 doesn't have apply.
The OT had awkward dialogue which is part of storytelling, but not the whole equation. The plot is fine expect maybe in the case of ROTJ because of the problems stated above but in turn it didn't have the awkward dialogue of the first 2. The elements the film focuses on is fine and this becomes increasingly important when you start adding multiple ongoing threads which can get pretty extreme like in Inception. Then there is the pacing and they are very steady in the OT which some people mistaken for boring since they tend to be people who must have always have something happening now.
So no, I most definitely disagree with your assessment. There is no reason why we can't have a spectacle and have good storytelling. If one was to get every single element right you would have movies that could surpass the originals. It would be very hard, but JJ just isn't up to it.
The OT had awkward dialogue which is part of storytelling, but not the whole equation. The plot is fine expect maybe in the case of ROTJ because of the problems stated above but in turn it didn't have the awkward dialogue of the first 2. The elements the film focuses on is fine and this becomes increasingly important when you start adding multiple ongoing threads which can get pretty extreme like in Inception. Then there is the pacing and they are very steady in the OT which some people mistaken for boring since they tend to be people who must have always have something happening now.
So no, I most definitely disagree with your assessment. There is no reason why we can't have a spectacle and have good storytelling. If one was to get every single element right you would have movies that could surpass the originals. It would be very hard, but JJ just isn't up to it.
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General Gaming / Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
« on: January 15, 2015, 03:33:31 AM »
Check your privilege.
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Movies & TV / Re: Star Wars Funhouse, A wretched hive of vum and scilliany.
« on: January 15, 2015, 01:24:58 AM »
Watched the video and it has reinforced why I don't like him. His gimmick is the mystery or in the video the concept of the mystery box. Mystery has its place and is a great starter and isn't the only starter, but it isn't what everything is about and he frames everything around this one concept.
The problem with this is that he is missing half the equation, the payoff. Its why I hate LOST. From the very first episode I knew they had no possible payoff as they "Mystery" had no possible solution other than "Bullshit". He is so obessed with the mystery he doesn't build any other elements properly, it all has to serve the box.
Magic is mystery and you don't know how the magician does it, but the payoff is the rabbit that comes out of the hat. JJ has no rabbit, never had one(Ironic given IM:3 rabbits foot). His movies are multiple boxes and none of them payoff, because of this the box might as well be empty as it is all marketing to sell you an empty box. This is made worse in that even JJ doesn't know what is in the box if there is something in it.
He really misses the point of the Die Hard opening. He does identify the need to build character before you get to the main course but he doesn't apply this properly in his movies. In Star Trek the characters aren't characters, they are plot devices. He commits wholesale character assassination in order to do this. This is despite being able to identify great character arcs and moments.
The Tom Cruise finisher is a sleight of hand to distract you from the fact that what he said during the talk is incoherent and is missing many factors. The opening is intentionally rambling to place the audience in a perplexed state looking for anything to hook into.
He is a snake oil man.
The problem with this is that he is missing half the equation, the payoff. Its why I hate LOST. From the very first episode I knew they had no possible payoff as they "Mystery" had no possible solution other than "Bullshit". He is so obessed with the mystery he doesn't build any other elements properly, it all has to serve the box.
Magic is mystery and you don't know how the magician does it, but the payoff is the rabbit that comes out of the hat. JJ has no rabbit, never had one(Ironic given IM:3 rabbits foot). His movies are multiple boxes and none of them payoff, because of this the box might as well be empty as it is all marketing to sell you an empty box. This is made worse in that even JJ doesn't know what is in the box if there is something in it.
He really misses the point of the Die Hard opening. He does identify the need to build character before you get to the main course but he doesn't apply this properly in his movies. In Star Trek the characters aren't characters, they are plot devices. He commits wholesale character assassination in order to do this. This is despite being able to identify great character arcs and moments.
The Tom Cruise finisher is a sleight of hand to distract you from the fact that what he said during the talk is incoherent and is missing many factors. The opening is intentionally rambling to place the audience in a perplexed state looking for anything to hook into.
He is a snake oil man.
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Movies & TV / Re: Star Wars Funhouse, A wretched hive of vum and scilliany.
« on: January 14, 2015, 04:14:47 PM »
A slight exaggeration. In a choice between bad SW and no SW, I would choose no SW. Bay and Rathner are the comedy options but I really would have them over GL so I can laugh about it.
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Movies & TV / Re: Star Wars Funhouse, A wretched hive of vum and scilliany.
« on: January 14, 2015, 12:56:34 AM »
GL cuts are universally detrimental to his own movies. Other directors have their own cuts, but they are usually little trims here and there mostly to help clarify or change the pacing a beat here and there. GL cuts though tend to be straight up retcons which change the tone of a scene or breaks the established character arcs or just plain gratuitous in the extreme. No other director goes out of their way to suppress their original work.
GL is wrong not because he make some mistakes, he has made a massive series of mistakes. That pattern of behaviour makes him wrong. Just because he is the creator doesn't mean no one should say no to him especially if he is wrong. The worship of him over the years reinforced all the bad aspects he has and left him impossible to control by himself or others.
Disney buying SW is probaly the first time Disney has saved something. JJ is not a good choice, but GL is the worst choice. I rather Brett Rathner or Bay to take it than GL. With Brett or Bay it would be holy **** laugh about it bad compared to WTF is this.
GL is wrong not because he make some mistakes, he has made a massive series of mistakes. That pattern of behaviour makes him wrong. Just because he is the creator doesn't mean no one should say no to him especially if he is wrong. The worship of him over the years reinforced all the bad aspects he has and left him impossible to control by himself or others.
Disney buying SW is probaly the first time Disney has saved something. JJ is not a good choice, but GL is the worst choice. I rather Brett Rathner or Bay to take it than GL. With Brett or Bay it would be holy **** laugh about it bad compared to WTF is this.
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Movies & TV / Re: Star Wars Funhouse, A wretched hive of vum and scilliany.
« on: January 13, 2015, 03:36:29 PM »
PT and Red Tails. ANH is the only film that is directly his and even then he shares credit with atleast 5 other people. His retconning of SW and is own history shows he is either incompetent, stupid, narcissistic or a combination there of. His management is a menace to SW especially if you examine games. We would likely have double the number of SW games had he not kept poisoning them and that includes the likes of 1313, his latest victim.
If it is the factor of time that builds a pedestal then everything past x years without a squeal is a classic by default. No body considers it sacrilege to make Mario games because it defies statistical norms on quality. WE want more and we know it will be good.
If it is the factor of time that builds a pedestal then everything past x years without a squeal is a classic by default. No body considers it sacrilege to make Mario games because it defies statistical norms on quality. WE want more and we know it will be good.
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Movies & TV / Re: Star Wars Funhouse, A wretched hive of vum and scilliany.
« on: January 12, 2015, 09:54:08 PM »
Ahh the George Lucas defence. Considering he botched 4 films in a row, anything he says and do with films should be in serious doubt. The amount of revisionism and retconning would make Stalin proud.
The special editions came about not because he wanted to fix the flaws, but to spite his first wife. He got very lucky with ANH when Marcia rescued ANH from George with her editing. He didn't want to give her credit she deserves, so to this day we don't have a high quality theatrical cut.
I haven't gone down the rabbit hole as deep as you have so I don't really know how decisive everything is. Most of the OT is actually before my time. Sure I saw them as a kid back in the late 80's early 90's, but I have continually found I had to reassess that period of time. Removing the nostalgia as it were and look upon that time with a more critical eye. The kid is dumb as hell and I have to adjust for that.
ROTJ flaws was that there was too much handwaving and yes the Ewoks are a problem. How Han's rescue doesn't make much sense even even for speed chess gambit. They Ewoks should have been Wookies as I have no doubt someone intervened (GL) to sell more toys to younger audiences. Closer to the ending you get, the more unfocused the film becomes as you have too many plot threads to cut back and forth.
The special editions came about not because he wanted to fix the flaws, but to spite his first wife. He got very lucky with ANH when Marcia rescued ANH from George with her editing. He didn't want to give her credit she deserves, so to this day we don't have a high quality theatrical cut.
I haven't gone down the rabbit hole as deep as you have so I don't really know how decisive everything is. Most of the OT is actually before my time. Sure I saw them as a kid back in the late 80's early 90's, but I have continually found I had to reassess that period of time. Removing the nostalgia as it were and look upon that time with a more critical eye. The kid is dumb as hell and I have to adjust for that.
ROTJ flaws was that there was too much handwaving and yes the Ewoks are a problem. How Han's rescue doesn't make much sense even even for speed chess gambit. They Ewoks should have been Wookies as I have no doubt someone intervened (GL) to sell more toys to younger audiences. Closer to the ending you get, the more unfocused the film becomes as you have too many plot threads to cut back and forth.
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Movies & TV / Re: Star Wars Funhouse, A wretched hive of vum and scilliany.
« on: January 12, 2015, 06:35:39 PM »
The PT doesn't have flaws as they are mistakes better off erased like a holiday special. The OT has endured because they are fundamentally solid movies at heart not because they got put on a pedestal. Saying they are good because they were put on a pedestal is putting the cart before the horse.
Hey, you're the one wilfully taking the abuse. You're the one willing to accept beatings for any Star Wars. You're the one who wrote that awful wall of scum that brought us here.
Hey, you're the one wilfully taking the abuse. You're the one willing to accept beatings for any Star Wars. You're the one who wrote that awful wall of scum that brought us here.
Mario and Zelda games are released on a frequent enough basis that that doesn't set in, though. People don't have time enough to put one game on so much of a pedestal before the next one comes out.The series itself is the pedestal, each new game is compared to every predecessor. What's new, old, improved, bad? How different is it? Add the greater time investment to play a game and the interact with the player. The pedestal is there alright, its so big you're standing on it and think it's the ground.
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Movies & TV / Re: Star Wars Funhouse, A wretched hive of vum and scilliany.
« on: January 12, 2015, 05:13:52 PM »
Counter example. Mainline Mario or Zelda games. Technology played a big part in this but what is astonishing is how they have managed keep the level of quality so high.
Maybe getting lighting to strike again is too much, but I don't think getting close to the OT is a big ask instead of tacking towards the PT. If you're going to take on baggage, you're better off taking the better of it than to try to take it all or selecting the worse of it. Given JJs history the outlook is grim for a quality movie let alone a good Star Wars movie.
Speaking of something that is better than PT, this gem.
Maybe getting lighting to strike again is too much, but I don't think getting close to the OT is a big ask instead of tacking towards the PT. If you're going to take on baggage, you're better off taking the better of it than to try to take it all or selecting the worse of it. Given JJs history the outlook is grim for a quality movie let alone a good Star Wars movie.
Speaking of something that is better than PT, this gem.
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Movies & TV / Re: Star Wars Funhouse, A wretched hive of vum and scilliany.
« on: January 12, 2015, 03:51:22 PM »
Is there something about Star Wars that make a good or even great movie impossible? Demanding anything Star Wars and lowering ones bar so low is a disservice to yourself and Star Wars especially if you are a fan. Its a spousal abuse cycle. You don't demand better because you are afraid of moving on despite how abusive the relationship is. You fell down the stairs or ran into a door. You continue to make excuses when you can and should have better.
ESB achieved what few others have, the better squeal.
What I expect with the coming movies are films that fail as art. There is no doubt it will make money, but they will be products, devoid of soul and magic or be coherent. It will be the butt of jokes to come or worse forgotten about as it kills Star Wars for good and maybe for the better.
ESB achieved what few others have, the better squeal.
What I expect with the coming movies are films that fail as art. There is no doubt it will make money, but they will be products, devoid of soul and magic or be coherent. It will be the butt of jokes to come or worse forgotten about as it kills Star Wars for good and maybe for the better.
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