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« on: April 21, 2007, 02:39:25 PM »
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NWR Forums Discord / RE:tell me what song to sing at the Japanese karaoke box tomorrow
« on: April 21, 2007, 02:38:02 PM »Quote
Originally posted by: S-U-P-E-R
They didn't have in the old-fashioned book. I was gonna do it.
Words. Nothing but sweet, sweet words that turn into bitter orange wax in my ears.
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NWR Forums Discord / RE:Rogue Mafia: Day 10. The Offshore Oil Platform. Game OVer. All roles revealed in this thread.
« on: April 21, 2007, 02:33:31 PM »Quote
Originally posted by: Athrun Zala
big words considering you had to kill one of your so people would trust you....
You should have seen the message I got from him when it turned out that people got aboard his terrible bandwagon and he killed me.
It wasn't about trust, it was an inside joke between me and him. RAB didn't need to make a martyr out of me to go far in the game.
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NWR Forums Discord / RE:tell me what song to sing at the Japanese karaoke box tomorrow
« on: April 21, 2007, 04:19:13 AM »
No Secret Agent Man in the end? Boo-urns to that!
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NWR Forums Discord / RE:Jack Thompson: Attorney, School Shootings Expert
« on: April 20, 2007, 08:43:07 PM »Quote
Originally posted by: thatguy
I think this is a threat to Thompson, that if he doesn't stop with the pushing that CS did this, then MSNBC might go into actual stuff against JT on air.
Did you see the legal beartrap that Take Two managed to catch JT in? I laughed because it pretty much gets him off their back, and they did it through the legal system!
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The settlement now assures that JT will not: sue or threaten to sue to block sale or distribution of any game published by Take Two or its subsidiaries; communicate to Take Two or anyone doing business with T2 (like, say Wal-Mart) any accusation that the company committed any wrongdoing by selling its games; make any future contacts with T2 unless it's through its attorneys.
http://gamepolitics.com/2007/04/19/breaking-grand-theft-auto-publisher-settles-lawsuit-against-jack-thompson/
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NWR Forums Discord / RE:An hero day
« on: April 20, 2007, 08:35:24 PM »Quote
Originally posted by: 18 Days
On the 20th of april last year some kid commited suicide because he lost his ipod.
Wait, we're not talking about RABicle? I'm confused!
EDIT: Aside from the Mac slap, happy birthday mate! Get a job!
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General Gaming / RE:Analyst: "Gaming has been a disastrous endeavor for Microsoft"
« on: April 20, 2007, 08:32:12 PM »Quote
Originally posted by: MarioAllStar
I wouldn't mind a simple standard for Unix where data could be passed in "tables" as a midpoint between text and full-on objects. For example, the "ps" command could optionally give its output in a table form to make accessing certain process information easier (i.e., select the PID of all processes owned by root). XML could fit something like that pretty well.
Well that's nothing special, UNIX just uses some fancy delimiters (like tabs, i forget what those obscure ASCII characters are) being used to align everything and make it look like a table. But its still raw text, so you can certainly play around with pipes and produce something like that already. Grep is your friend. Grep often. Off the top of my head I can think of a couple of processes that could be combined through pipes into a command to do what you want, but it wouldn't be XML data. Just plain text - but you could certainly parse that further.
But not now, there's more important work to do
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Originally posted by: Ceric
Doesn't DirectX 9 run on 2000? MS tends to keep support if a platform is popular in the right segment, business.
Well my brother still plays Guild Wars on a 2000 box so I think that's right. But I can't pry him off there for long enough to confirm this. I wouldn't say 2k was a popular gaming platform but considering its core (it was based off of NT, and XP borrowed a lot from 2000) then I'm not surprised its still being supported. It still gets security updates even though its been out for longer than the 5 year "support window" that Microsoft were threatening. Or maybe that was for non-security patches.
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General Gaming / RE:Analyst: "Gaming has been a disastrous endeavor for Microsoft"
« on: April 20, 2007, 03:56:21 PM »Quote
Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
As for the change to Vista, they'll force people into it the same way they always have: by forcing developers to upgrade to the latest versions of Direct X and other libraries which only run under Vista.
That's alright. I can work under XP or Linux depending on what I need to do. I don't play PC games any more these days anyway.
Hell, I've still got a 2k box that's humming along fine in the next room. I'm more stubborn than the average bear.
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General Gaming / RE:Analyst: "Gaming has been a disastrous endeavor for Microsoft"
« on: April 20, 2007, 03:19:28 PM »Quote
Originally posted by: Ceric
You may thank Apple for that. Anyways, I'm waiting for them to finish up Monad,Methinks its something like powershell now, and for Longhorn Server. Monad, for all intents and purposes, moves the Windows Command line more toward the *nix command line.
On the whole User Access Controls personally haven't found them that annoying. I agree with the idea but the implementation will probably be toned down a bit.
A good command line is something I've been hanging out for ever since I got into Linux. It just makes things so much easier. And I'm definitely a keyboard fan over a mouse - mice are so inefficient (that's for another rant).
"You are making this change to {some sort of ID here}. Are you sure?" in several popups is not a good implementation.
The UACs need to be changed significantly. Make it useful or get rid of it.
Either let the OS work out which changes will be made and show them in a single popup, or don't show them at all. Because you know that most people will just click them like mad to get them to go away - possibly making bad changes. And that's what the UAC popups are meant to prevent, right?
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General Gaming / RE:Analyst: "Gaming has been a disastrous endeavor for Microsoft"
« on: April 20, 2007, 02:49:52 PM »
tldr warning
You're waving a lot of hands around in here. Let me give you a heads-up on operating systems - I might be a bit rusty as it was a couple of years ago that I studied this.
When you boot up, you load a segment of code called the kernel - the foundation of any operating system - into the main memory of a computer. This becomes the interface between the hardware and the programs that are run by the user. The kernel allows programs to access parts of the hardware, such as the processor or a network interface, but through a series of system calls. These system calls differ from kernel to kernel depending on the designer - Windows, Mac, Linux, etc do not have the same kernel. There are some similarities but you cannot simply drop in a new kernel and expect it to work correctly.
Now, if someone wants to run a different kind of operating system, they have two choices. One is that they can reboot and load the different kernel into memory. Or the second choice is to run the operating system within the current operating system. This isn't as easy as you think, even with the same computer architecture.
Software (lets call this the environment manager) has to be used to convert the kernel calls of the new operating system into system calls that the original operating system can execute. The software never has access to the hardware as it is running as a userspace program which talks to the original operating system. Unless OS X is keen to open up their kernel to system calls from userspace programs, this is the way that all emulation/virtualisation programs will access the OS.
In this case, if you were running a Windows program you would need to have a Windows installation (with the required libraries and kernel that Windows applications interface with). The program makes calls to the Windows OS, and the operating system then "thinks" it is talking to the real hardware, but it is tricked into talking to the environment manager. The environment manager then takes the Windows system calls and maps them to the relevant OS X system calls, and the calls are executed by the OS X operating system.
Not anywhere along the line is this process "natively executed" because any other operating system has to be run within a software environment in order to correctly handle the system calls of other operating systems. That's why its emulation - but it was "slow, sh*tty and unreliable" in the past because of the processing power required to do it. These days, the software and hardware power is more suited to the task.
Virtualisation on the other hand is a broad term which involved producing "customised hardware configurations" on top of the original hardware. Different architectures can be run on the same system, with an operating system assigned to each configuration. The configurations are managed by software, which then talks to the original operating system in order to execute code and access hardware.
Feel free to correct me on this, but I don't see Apple pulling any rabbits out of their hat regarding running Windows code natively. And that's because its not a hardware issue, its an operating system issue. They're already including BootCamp with Leopard so I don't see them making huge steps without negotiating a lot of technical and legal issues.
Having used Vista on and off for the last two months, I will say that it is a disappointment. They've taken what was at its core the most popular Windows OS (XP) and then made it an annoying experience. From a power user's perspective, I feel like I'm computer-challenged when I use it.
It does things that I don't want it to do. Like setting the home page in IE7 to some MSN site. I swear it changes itself at random intervals.
It does things that I have no control over. The default shutdown is not a true shutdown but a terrible excuse for hibernation - and even that takes forever. Just turn the monitor into a black screen, wait a random period of time, check if the hard drive is still working, wait a bit more. And this was hyped as a real feature of Vista - fast startup and shutdown, when in essence it doesn't do either.
And when I want to do something then it feels like I'm fighting the OS in order to get there. User access controls are a nuisance, and even when I switch them off there is still a popup every time I start Vista telling me this fact.
And when I want to find out information that is important to administrators (like how long a disk defragment will take) it tells me "This could take minutes or hours." No numbers, no little graphic of moving colours around the hard drive space. Nothing. Not good enough.
I believe there was too much of a focus on minor things like visual effects and keeping information away from users that they've made the system aimed towards people who don't wish to be in control of their computer. Just sit back and enjoy the ride, sponsored by Microsoft. Oooh look, pretty colour schemes.
I will be removing it for XP when I get a couple of hours free. Unless they change the OS significantly, with a real focus on usability rather than "shiny things" then I won't be trying it again.
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
No, because "emulated" implies that the application being run is being sustained through virtual fabrication of the resources which the application utilizes so that it can operate. There's a colossal difference between an IBM G5 processor emulating an Intel processor and having an ACTUAL Intel processor. Emulation is slow, sh*tty and unreliable.
I'm referring to the latter where the Windows environment is running natively off of all the same hardware it would typically have in a PC anyway but is still contained within OSX. No "emulation" actually occurs.
You're waving a lot of hands around in here. Let me give you a heads-up on operating systems - I might be a bit rusty as it was a couple of years ago that I studied this.
When you boot up, you load a segment of code called the kernel - the foundation of any operating system - into the main memory of a computer. This becomes the interface between the hardware and the programs that are run by the user. The kernel allows programs to access parts of the hardware, such as the processor or a network interface, but through a series of system calls. These system calls differ from kernel to kernel depending on the designer - Windows, Mac, Linux, etc do not have the same kernel. There are some similarities but you cannot simply drop in a new kernel and expect it to work correctly.
Now, if someone wants to run a different kind of operating system, they have two choices. One is that they can reboot and load the different kernel into memory. Or the second choice is to run the operating system within the current operating system. This isn't as easy as you think, even with the same computer architecture.
Software (lets call this the environment manager) has to be used to convert the kernel calls of the new operating system into system calls that the original operating system can execute. The software never has access to the hardware as it is running as a userspace program which talks to the original operating system. Unless OS X is keen to open up their kernel to system calls from userspace programs, this is the way that all emulation/virtualisation programs will access the OS.
In this case, if you were running a Windows program you would need to have a Windows installation (with the required libraries and kernel that Windows applications interface with). The program makes calls to the Windows OS, and the operating system then "thinks" it is talking to the real hardware, but it is tricked into talking to the environment manager. The environment manager then takes the Windows system calls and maps them to the relevant OS X system calls, and the calls are executed by the OS X operating system.
Not anywhere along the line is this process "natively executed" because any other operating system has to be run within a software environment in order to correctly handle the system calls of other operating systems. That's why its emulation - but it was "slow, sh*tty and unreliable" in the past because of the processing power required to do it. These days, the software and hardware power is more suited to the task.
Virtualisation on the other hand is a broad term which involved producing "customised hardware configurations" on top of the original hardware. Different architectures can be run on the same system, with an operating system assigned to each configuration. The configurations are managed by software, which then talks to the original operating system in order to execute code and access hardware.
Feel free to correct me on this, but I don't see Apple pulling any rabbits out of their hat regarding running Windows code natively. And that's because its not a hardware issue, its an operating system issue. They're already including BootCamp with Leopard so I don't see them making huge steps without negotiating a lot of technical and legal issues.
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Well, I was talking about the general perception of Vista being...hard to run? I'd get it if my laptop had more than half the bare minimum of RAM it needed.
Having used Vista on and off for the last two months, I will say that it is a disappointment. They've taken what was at its core the most popular Windows OS (XP) and then made it an annoying experience. From a power user's perspective, I feel like I'm computer-challenged when I use it.
It does things that I don't want it to do. Like setting the home page in IE7 to some MSN site. I swear it changes itself at random intervals.
It does things that I have no control over. The default shutdown is not a true shutdown but a terrible excuse for hibernation - and even that takes forever. Just turn the monitor into a black screen, wait a random period of time, check if the hard drive is still working, wait a bit more. And this was hyped as a real feature of Vista - fast startup and shutdown, when in essence it doesn't do either.
And when I want to do something then it feels like I'm fighting the OS in order to get there. User access controls are a nuisance, and even when I switch them off there is still a popup every time I start Vista telling me this fact.
And when I want to find out information that is important to administrators (like how long a disk defragment will take) it tells me "This could take minutes or hours." No numbers, no little graphic of moving colours around the hard drive space. Nothing. Not good enough.
I believe there was too much of a focus on minor things like visual effects and keeping information away from users that they've made the system aimed towards people who don't wish to be in control of their computer. Just sit back and enjoy the ride, sponsored by Microsoft. Oooh look, pretty colour schemes.
I will be removing it for XP when I get a couple of hours free. Unless they change the OS significantly, with a real focus on usability rather than "shiny things" then I won't be trying it again.
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General Gaming / RE:Analyst: "Gaming has been a disastrous endeavor for Microsoft"
« on: April 20, 2007, 02:45:06 AM »
Quiet, you bandwagon-leading whore. Go worship some hippies.
Kairon doesn't need a puppet-master.
Kairon doesn't need a puppet-master.
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General Gaming / RE:GameTrailer's Top Ten Consoles
« on: April 20, 2007, 01:47:10 AM »
To sum up this thread:
Move along, nothing to see here.
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Originally posted by: S-U-P-E-R
Top ten lists are pretty much filler content, am I right?
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Originally posted by: nitsu niflheim
wow, somebody's opinion. Haven't heard one of those before.
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
gametrailers steals videos and misinforms.
Move along, nothing to see here.
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NWR Forums Discord / RE:Jack Thompson: Attorney, School Shootings Expert
« on: April 19, 2007, 10:21:42 PM »Quote
Originally posted by: S-U-P-E-R
If you haven't played JFK Reloaded and laughed like a retard after you get the president's limo ten feet in the air, you're kicked out of the funhouse
Show me the door. I've been stuck here forever searching for a way out!
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General Gaming / RE:Analyst: "Gaming has been a disastrous endeavor for Microsoft"
« on: April 19, 2007, 10:18:19 PM »Quote
Originally posted by: Kairon
I know the next major computer purchase I make will be a mac.
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Give several reasons why.
You can't just throw words around like that. Someone may get hurt.
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NWR Forums Discord / RE:Jack Thompson: Attorney, School Shootings Expert
« on: April 19, 2007, 09:39:46 PM »Quote
Originally posted by: S-U-P-E-R
And see if you can assassinate JFK with two richochets into a headshot. I played until I could.
My contribution to this thread: "ICH BIN EIN BERLINER"
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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
« on: April 19, 2007, 09:37:03 PM »Quote
Originally posted by: Brandogg
About the Xbox 360 elite, it's actually basically sold out even before it's been officially released. A lot of people DO want it (I don't) - next month's 360 sales are going to be pretty high.
Depends on how many are actually made available - its certainly a "limited edition" item. I doubt there is 200,000 of them made available or some huge number like that.
... the 120GB hard drive is tempting though ...
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General Gaming / RE:Analyst: "Gaming has been a disastrous endeavor for Microsoft"
« on: April 19, 2007, 09:33:08 PM »Quote
Originally posted by: Louieturkey
MS is also in trouble in the PC market. Dell recently announced that they are going to start putting Linux in their PCs as well as Alienware PCs. So the OS market is starting to getting very competitive. MS' strategy didn't call for them to lose the OS market I'm guessing.
Erm, not so fast.
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Dell has heard you and we will expand our Linux support beyond our existing servers and Precision workstation line. Our first step in this effort is offering Linux pre-installed on select desktop and notebook systems. We will provide an update in the coming weeks that includes detailed information on which systems we will offer, our testing and certification efforts, and the Linux distribution(s) that will be available. The countdown begins today.
http://www.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/ideastorm/ideasinaction?c=us&l=en&s=gen
That was at the end of last month. Besides continuing to offer XP and Linux distribution(s) (the frontrunner so far is Ubuntu) alongside Vista, there's not much else to report on this. Dual-boot is certainly being considered as an option, so you have the choice to try out Linux alongside Windows if you have programs that are Windows-dependent.
The whole brew-ha-ha is at www.ideastorm.com if you want to see what possibilities are available but currently there's nothing definite. Just a lot of discussion and potential.
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General Gaming / RE:Analyst: "Gaming has been a disastrous endeavor for Microsoft"
« on: April 19, 2007, 04:45:38 PM »Quote
Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
The next version of OSX was delayed for reasons which people are currently speculating over, and one of those reasons is that Apple will have a version of Windows XP running in the background of OSX, meaning that Apple users can boot PC apps natively, meaning that the difference between XP and OSX is OSX's stability and that's about it.
Its been delayed because of the QA team working on the iPhone instead.
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However, iPhone contains the most sophisticated software ever shipped on a mobile device, and finishing it on time has not come without a price — we had to borrow some key software engineering and QA resources from our Mac OS X team, and as a result we will not be able to release Leopard at our Worldwide Developers Conference in early June as planned.
http://www.apple.com/hotnews/ - [Apr 12, 2007]
And by "boot PC apps natively" I'm guessing you mean "runs an emulated Windows environment within OSX" and that's already available through products like Parallels, Virtual PC and CrossOver. The buzz word at the moment is virtualization but that's associated more with high-powered servers which run multiple instances of operating systems on top of the base OS. What these programs do is emulation - they don't have the grunt to do virtualization.
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General Gaming / RE:Analyst: "Gaming has been a disastrous endeavor for Microsoft"
« on: April 19, 2007, 03:08:12 PM »Quote
Originally posted by: couchmonkey
The silver lining in the MS cloud is that the company is preventing Sony from taking control of the set-top-box market.
After sitting through a speech from a Microsoft tech "evangelist" at GO3 a few weeks ago, it surprised me how much Microsoft is focusing on the services and products around the home. Microsoft TV, Microsoft File Server, mobile phones, computers with Vista as well as the 360 indicate that they are looking to fill as many gaps in the average home. The set-top box is just part of it, but having all these items integrated is the selling point that Microsoft have that Sony doesn't.
I doubt that the losses of the original Xbox and now the 360 are concerning to the company, as they can afford to spend the money to build up the brand name and reputation. If the 360 hangs around for longer than the average console lifespan, it could certainly become profitable with the right games. Halo 3 will be a big hit later this year (they put out two new maps for Halo 2 as a download during the week and were promptly downloaded like mad) and the userbase will increase.
And yes, I read somewhere that Microsoft is now making some money from each console sold. Not bothering with finding the link, but that will certainly help with the long-term picture.
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NWR Forums Discord / RE:Rogue Mafia: Day 10. The Offshore Oil Platform. Game OVer. All roles revealed in this thread.
« on: April 18, 2007, 06:37:09 PM »Quote
Originally posted by: thatguy
I was a little worried after that. Up until I died, we were still trying to see if there was a way to have you alive for when we won. Or at least, I was trying to find that out. It seemed very possible when oohhboy lost.
If Mafia win, then all members of the mafia are considered winners whether they are alive at the end. I just had a very very short stint, that's all.
I was still talking with the other mafia members regarding carrying out the plans, I just didn't get to roleplay and vote. Meh.
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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Final Fantasy XIII on the Wii (Speculation)
« on: April 18, 2007, 06:35:09 PM »
Thanks for the rational thoughts Galford rather than the "spontaneous orgasm" trail of thought.
The Wii is much more likely to get a spinoff series than the FF(n+1) series itself.
The Wii is much more likely to get a spinoff series than the FF(n+1) series itself.
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NWR Forums Discord / RE:Rogue Mafia: Day 10. The Offshore Oil Platform. Game OVer. All roles revealed in this thread.
« on: April 18, 2007, 06:30:28 PM »
Damn straight the mafia should have won. Especially after they started a bandwagon and voted me out on the first day. Good job 18 Days!
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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Final Fantasy XIII on the Wii (Speculation)
« on: April 18, 2007, 01:39:59 PM »Quote
You have two PS3 titles, one mobile phone titles, and 3 unannounced games. Now I could go absolutely crazy with this picture and base ideas on the size and relation of the other circles, but I am not going to. All I will say is that I’d think it’s a pretty safe bet that at least one of these Final Fantasy XIII will come to a Nintendo platform. Place your bets now…what’s it going to be?
I love how this "pretty safe bet" is done with no credible evidence. Good call GoNintendo!
And this is still just speculation. Probably Square messing with the fanboys.
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NWR Feedback / RE:Yikes, what is going on with Planet Gamecube reviews?!?
« on: April 18, 2007, 01:37:01 PM »Quote
Originally posted by: DrZoidberg
i predict drama.
ZOIDBERG WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG
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General Chat / RE:Hey guys please read
« on: April 18, 2007, 01:34:58 PM »Quote
Originally posted by: Sir_Stabbalot
Shift_Key, you know perfectly well that your comment was going to be taken as an offensive remark. You're the one about to turn this thread into a religious debate. Don't try to hide it. My respect for you has fallen considerably.
I don't regret what I said. I was there with my dad when the doctor who looked after my grandmother was explaining the situation to us regarding her health and summed it up with "she's only got a few days to live." She'd been in hospital for a while but her health rapidly deteriorated within the space of a couple of weeks. And it wasn't a problem that could be repaired with surgery, but motor neurone disease.
When you hear news like that, you see things from a different perspective. Reality comes crashing down, so to speak. What is important often becomes irrelevant. What is a possibility becomes unavoidable.
I wasn't playing the devil's advocate - I was encouraging GP to enjoy the time she has left with her grandmother. Hell, I was at work when I heard that my grandmother finally passed away a few days later. I wish I was there to say goodbye.
That was the point I was trying to convey. Don't you dare push my agenda into this.
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