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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
even if in reality the Rev is just a Cube with a remote and the online gaming the Cube should have had.
dillusions +1
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Do we need the Revolution? No. The remote is in response to a "crisis" about gaming that Nintendo made up.
Wrong. You are the most dilusional person I think I have ever seen. It is a fact that the videogame industry had been on the decline for 5 years in JPN. Then the DS came out and it is selling more hardware AND software at a faster rate than any system EVER which includes the GBA. The ONLY way you can explain this is that new people are playing that haven't before and people are going back to their gaming that haven't for many years.
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Nintendo thinks they have to reinvent the wheel to innovate.
Seemed to work well with the DS..... Give developers a sandbox of different tools and let their imaginations go to work.
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I think that's stupid but we really don't need the X360 or PS3 either. Not yet anyway. The real reason we're even getting any new consoles is because of money and console makers want to release new product. Each company is using some paper thin reason to go next gen. Sony and MS are using HD, Nintendo is using their controller. All three companies are wrong. I don't think we're set for life with the current consoles but we've reached a point in technology where a console can last longer than five years before a new model is needed. We will need new consoles eventually but not yet.
Surprisingly I partially agree with you on this bit. I feel that there is still plenty of life left in the xbox, ps2, and cube. I know my wallet would appreciate it. Except Nintendo's controller isn't the reason they are doing it. They didn't sit in a meeting and say: We have this new controller its time to make the next system. Rather they were making the new system anyways and thought: Is there anything else we can do besides stronger hardware.
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Gaming is only stale if the content being made is stale. Considering that Nintendo has made virtually nothing for the Cube for the past few years but cliche Mario spinoff junk they can kindly shut-up because they've contributed to the problem as much as anyone. And the Rev won't fix this if they just use it to make new Mario spinoffs. If Nintendo wants to make gaming interesting again they need to ditch this recent "our franchises are everything" attitude they've had for the last couple of years, not break a perfectly acceptable controller design for no reason.
Funny how Nintendo has already announced that Miyamoto would be unveiling a brand new IP for rev at E3 this year. Also, Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat, Donkey Konga, Pikmin, and a few others disagree. And why would Nintendo stop making Mario games when they have sold more this generation (Cube, GBA, DS) than anyother game series franchise? Its gauranteed money for them. A new IP is a risk that they don't normally take. Also you have to remember that Yamauchi-san was in charge for most of the Cube's life and it takes a couple years to make a game. So most of the stuff that you are seeing now were in planning with him at the helm. With the DS starting out under Iwata you are seeing new things coming out because he knows the business better than the heads of Playstation and Xbox because he started from th bottom and has climbed to the top and has put some excitement back into Nintendo according to Nintendo employees.
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If the remote is the only real addition to the Rev I'm concerned about how that will improve traditional games that use the "normal" controller. Without a big hardware boost they're basically just going to be Cube games. Nintendo is kind of setting up a system where only remote controlled games will benefit from their new hardware (and online games). That's kind of lame. It also suggest to me that Nintendo won't bother to even make many traditional games, if any at all. Did they make ANY 2D games for the N64?
Ignorance and dillusions +1000000000000. Shell controller says hi. They have said many times that the hardware is much better than Cube's. And from 3rd parties they are now realizing that yes it is about 2x as strong on paper. But Nintendo knows how to design hardware and it will be highly specialized to be able to do things that won't need the raw horsepower. Why are you complaining that they might not make traditional games anymore? You have said maaany times that you are tired of them. Go home.
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P.S. Ian, Nintendo doesn't say EVERY SINGLE PERSON is bored with gaming. Do you just read their comments the way you want them to sound, just so you can make ridiculous, extremist statements and conclusions?
Its a daily habit of his around here.
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"You are the kind of guy that thought the mouse wasn't needed. 'Mouse! When am I ever going to need that? I like my command prompts!' Had we stayed on command prompts, the computer industry would be nowhere near as big as it is today. I guess all those non-computer computer people like using the mouse. And guess what - even the hardcore computer people like GUIs and mice."
Nintendo's idea is more in line with "we don't need the keyboard anymore because now we have a mouse". The mouse expanded on what was there. The remote removes key functionality and tries to replace it with something else. That is the key difference.
And just how is the remote removing functionality? Last I checked it had it all and more which would be *GASP* expanding what is there. It has the analoge attachment (1 stick), the x/y motion sensing in the main controller (1 stick), trigger buttons (3), a, b, start, another a, and a d-pad. THEN there is the z axis sensing on top of it all. So that is 2 sticks, 3 triggers, d-pad, and 3 buttons with their latest models whis is only one button less than Cube's. Heck they are more than likely going to reveal another design at E3 still since at TGS they said they were still tweaking the controller.
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That's why I'm concerned. Non-gamers get all the new stuff while we the hardcore are expected to make due with sequels and spin-offs. With the DS too often it seems like the "traditional" games are just Nintendo going through the motions. They're making good stuff but it's very familiar and I want more than sequels. But all the new ideas are for games like Brain Training, Electroplankton and Nintendogs. When I look at the DS lineup it's clear to me that the non-gamers are Nintendo's focus and the hardcore are just expected to just make do with the franchises.
Wait, since when were you never allowed to buy anything except "sequals and spinoffs"? Noone is stopping you from buyng the "new stuff" besides your own stupid self. You pretty much just dscribed why the market has been on the decline. All the ideas for a "traditional" game have been done which is why you see the same elements over and over and over in games. New ideas are going to make new games than what you are used to. Its your own fault for not being interested in them. I don't think it was just the "non-gamers" who bought Nintendogs and Animal Crossing. There are plenty of gamers who did. Open your eyes to the bigger picture and not your narrow viewed imagination of what is happening.